Kenyatta started a legacy of promoting his own interests. Moi took it a step further, plundered Kenya's assets and devastated the Kenyan economy during his reign. Kibaki has failed us by failing to right the wrongs of the previous regimes. Impunity continues. Who will be next, what will their legacy be?
@danielnyang am not defending wat moi did,but trying to be fair.all the wrongs in the country seem to heaped on moi.we forget that kenyatta silenced alot of people who tried to form other partis.start by admitting that there are tribes that want the presidency to be theirs 4ver.dont look at the problem with one eye closed.open both eyes.i hav nothing against any tribe but just pointing the truth.hope we will be around come 2012 and lets c if that one tribe will support any other person whose not
GG Made Moi Moi together with Njonjo. Njonjo is the one who sneaked a diabolic law in our constitution with the words; "Any person who imagines, designs, engineers or otherwise intends the death of the president is guilty of an offence; treason. ...:
That is satanic! He needs to apologise to us and our children and our children's children...
People with short memory or no memory at all. Betty Murungi was a young student at the university of Nairobi. She was a political activist in her days. She has as much right to speak about Kenya as people like Njoya, Oyugi, Okullu, Muge, Njeru Kathangu, Koigi et al.
Njonjo needs to shut up. He represents no one. He is a bastard and so is Kamotho. I don't like GG. He has been my MP for as long as I've been alive. We used to think that the Laikipia West seat was his. He made Moi Moi.
@danielnyang AND PLIZ INCLUDE KENYATTA IN UR CRITISIZING COZ HE IS THE ONE THAT PLANTED THE SEEDS OF TRIBALISM AND WEN MOI WAS JUST DOING WAT ANY FARMER WOULD DO (TAKE CARE OF THE WEEDS) IN YUR FEILD? U CRYING .......BE FAIR THATS ALL.REMEMBER WEN JARAMOGI FORMED AN OPPOSITION PARTY? WHERE DID HE END UP?.....
@danielnyang u dont dont want to swallow the bitter truth.let the kikus prove the rest of kenia wrong by actually voting 4 someone who is not kikuyu till then i will not stop raising this point.u know that will never happen.blame MrMOI 4 continuing to carry on with the system he was handedor rather by luck and do u remember THE CHANGE THE CONSTITUTION MOVEMENT???????
@mungai123sc we were not taken for granted those former powerful politicians were the ones taken for granted like Kamotho Karibu Baba,and Njonjo who fought tooth and nail to see Moi in power listen to hom now
@lawrencemathia u make a very valid point.these are the same players who made kenya a one party state @uhuru.they should have done this wen they were in power especially the former A.G
good documentary,but i'd like to ask one question.how come most of these characters who served under kenyatta for so mamy years never raised the idea of multipartysm in kenya?had a fellow kikuyu succeded kenyatta,am sure ur country could still be under one party.how come they did not call 4 kibaki to step aside during the 2007 election violence?the hero of multiparty democracy mr matiba was nowwhere to heard.come on pepo.be fair.oh mr kibaki comes from wat tribe again?someone pliz remind me.
@swirna Please all the thread of commentaries on the documentary below and you will find the answer. The second part, supposedly, was a duplicate of the first with a little addition. All the best!
@ 9094321 Where is part 2. any one has an idea. I tried searching NTVkenya making of constitution but that part 2 is duplicate and thus not playing n opening?
@siasabora however much I like the documentary I would not let anybody downplay the role of Bishop Henry Okullu and Alexander Muge to the benefit of Rev Njoya that's what I mean.
Thanks Ntv for the critics about omission on important personalities in the 2nd liberalization it would take more than this documetaries even to cover mois era alone, rem we had the TDM (Twelve December Movement), Mwakenya, The Seven Bearded Sisters etc. Anyone who can get the Weekly Review during the late 70s, 80s n early 90s before it went out of business will learn a great deal of our history uncensored, thanks to Hillary Ngweno.
I like the documentary. But I wish they would have put Matiba Here; He really was beaten up for our freedom. I also miss Bishop Muge who was murdered. How I wish that our current clergy would really be honest and fight for truth like Rev. Njoya and Bishop Gitari, and Bishop Nzeki. These are brave men and true heroes of our country. Screw John Keen, Njonjo, an Murungi they didnt care about our nation. Mr moi should save us the buggage and retire peacefully without interfering with constitution
This DOCUMENTARY is really educational. BUT thumbs UP if you were not taught this kind of history in school, and that you want this generation to be taught such kind of stuff. I think and I BELIEVE mr. MOI had taken control of the education system and decided what kind of information(THE TRUTH) should be kept out of schools.
i love the doc bt may i ask on the whereabouts of matiba in ths documentary?? instead of askin nobodyz lyk betty murugi qstnz, why dont u bring matiba in and ask hym what went down then?
and i do not know what people lyk betty murugi r doin on ths video, y not bring people lyk ida odinga,njonjoz wyf or mama ngina kenyatta.betty murugi is a nobody as far as kenyan history is concerned.bring women who served directly on the front lines, ida odinga was even chased from her job a a teacher at kenya high school when her husband fled for safety due to trumped up charges against him.bring njoyas wyf we hea from her syd, not idiots lyk betty murugoi
quender uko john keen, u dint want moi to succeed kenyatta coz he was not from mt kenya.the same same gema that fought hym, was the same 1 that cajoled to his wills, hea we have kibaki at 1 tyme sayin destroyin kanu is lyk cuttin the mugumo tree wth a razor.then we have kamotho and his antics, thank god 4 people lyk raila and matiba, ata sijui i nchi ingekuwa wapi sai bila those people
very interesting. These kind of documents could shape up the future of Kenya as many of us especially the youths we have no idea about our history. We don't know where we have come from. Thanks NTV. I want more of documentaries.
@engineer14 I hear you well and agree! From 1981 onwards anyone teaching Kenyan history even at the university exercised uncalled for self-censorship. I do not blame them -- the documentary says it all. Those of us who remember Prof. Edward Oyugi will tell you that he had fire in his belly. Even after he was given back his job at Kenyatta University, he subtly sneeked political discourses into educational pyschology clases. It was fun being his student you received what you would pay for!
I am not sure Raila will have a smooth sail in 2012. Tribal chicanery and back-stabing is the hallmark of Kenyan politics. That said, Bishop's Okullu's consignment to Maseno was the handiwork of Njonjo as an elder at the All Saints Cathedral where he called the shots. It was laughable when in the past Njonjo refered to Raila warmly as a son of fighter who will triumph. What a sacarsm or is it a late realization? Kenya needs strong institutions that are impenetratable by trabilism run amok!
@suensmith Tribalism has eaten Kenyans to the marrow. But we can still redeem our motherland. Raila reminds me of Jaramogi Odinga -- you should find time to read some of the things he wrote before independence. They are incredible. I think Jaramogi's undoing was his impatence. I recall a write-up and speech he gave in 1981 that was reported in the East African Standard that was a masterpiece. Odinga was a great human being. As for Raila, I think he has evolved considerably as a politician.
By the way, the personalities who helped to propel Target and Lengo (Okullu); Beyond (Okullu, Bedan Mbugwa, and Muge). The first time I met Alexander Muge is when I was teaching in Uasin Gishu where he was bishop of Eldoret Diocese. I attended conference at the Dutch Reformed Church where gave the opening speech that made the Reformed Church uncomfortable. I requested a copy of it and he asked me to visit with him at his office where he gave it to me. A really down-to-earth pastor I ever met.
For those who are in Kenya or at institutions of higher learning abroad with strong centers of African Studies take time to read the Nation, Standard, Nairobi Times and The Weekly Review of the 1970s through the late 1980s.
The truth is that Moi will be judged harshly by hisotry save for his expansion of university education in Kenya. When some scholars joined KANU in the 1980s, they thought they would help to reform the party from within. Little did they know that they were being used by Moi.
My apologies to you all. I watched the 17 minute and the 23 minute parts that were shown initailly -- true I also thought the first one was duplicated -- and sure NTV has owned up that it was duplicated. Be that as it may, this a great start to understanding where the rains began to beat us. As @72okoths argues Okullu and Muge played an extremely important role in the political debate of the time. Revisit Target, Lengo (swahili), and Beyond. The magazines were publications of Anglican Church
Very impressive documentary Linus but I think Rev Timothy Njoya’s role has been overrated. Bishop Okullu and Alexander Muge played more pivotal role in liberation among the clergy .Muge paid the ultimate price. Where is Oloo Aringo in all this?
@72: does it really matter? what is your gauge of who did 'better' than the other? do you know how many other unsung heroes we have out there? It is not a matter of who talked more or got whipped by APs more...the Big Q is: Who was for the cause? Period!
This was a good exposee on the 80's. I watched making of a Nation, they did quite an in depth history on Kenyatta but rushed through the 80's. We did not see this side of Moi. Thank you Nation for this refresher
The should've have had someone else narrate this documentary...Linus Kaikai is a good interviewer but providing voice-over for a documentary is a skill he doesn't have.
After watching the first, second and third part I have a few issues to put clear. Okullu's fight predates all other clergy in Kenya -- indeed, his was perhaps the most sophisticated contribution that spaned his life as a man of the cloth, to say the least. Our clergy will require a more focused but philosophical analysis to determine their actual contribution. It goes back to the 1970s. Funny, though, I recall literally discarding all my copies of Beyond Magazine when it was proscribed in 1988.
We need more of this kind of documentation of our history. More critical and in-depth. Historians and political scientists in conjunction with media people should take this challenge and go back all the way to the coming of the colonialists and even the earlier invasion of the Portuguese and Omani Arabs.
@benadede I wonder what Moi makes of all this. He must surely be a worried man seeing history told the way he least expected, especially by Kariuki, Njonjo, and Kamotho. It is perhaps because of all these that Moi is busy marshalling the current breed of the monied clergy to oppose the Draft Constitution on filmsy excuses. On a different level, I would like to have all transcripts of Njonjo's interviews -- there is more than meets the eye. Njonjo was the most dismissive official in Kenya.
@hochwada That is why we need more critical full length documentaries. I want to here from the Kamotho's why they were for Moi before they were not for Moi. I want to hear from the Koigi's/Raila's how they navigated stick (detention/jail) and carrot (Koigi recently told us of his 30 acres from Moi). I want to hear from the Moi's how the West turned a blind eye to their excesses and supported them when they were of importance to the Cold War then dumped them post - Cold War.
and Koigi today is sleeping with Moi? Kamotho was a sellout licking Moi's backside. Njonjo wz a loser he got clipped and he is the reason mediocrity like Moi lasted this long for Mjinga akierevuka Werevu waiingia mashakani. Wananchi have paid the high price..and are still paying!
Kenyatta started a legacy of promoting his own interests. Moi took it a step further, plundered Kenya's assets and devastated the Kenyan economy during his reign. Kibaki has failed us by failing to right the wrongs of the previous regimes. Impunity continues. Who will be next, what will their legacy be?
sirjonduke 1 year ago
@danielnyang am not defending wat moi did,but trying to be fair.all the wrongs in the country seem to heaped on moi.we forget that kenyatta silenced alot of people who tried to form other partis.start by admitting that there are tribes that want the presidency to be theirs 4ver.dont look at the problem with one eye closed.open both eyes.i hav nothing against any tribe but just pointing the truth.hope we will be around come 2012 and lets c if that one tribe will support any other person whose not
wesmonite 1 year ago
GG Made Moi Moi together with Njonjo. Njonjo is the one who sneaked a diabolic law in our constitution with the words; "Any person who imagines, designs, engineers or otherwise intends the death of the president is guilty of an offence; treason. ...:
That is satanic! He needs to apologise to us and our children and our children's children...
SonNative 1 year ago
People with short memory or no memory at all. Betty Murungi was a young student at the university of Nairobi. She was a political activist in her days. She has as much right to speak about Kenya as people like Njoya, Oyugi, Okullu, Muge, Njeru Kathangu, Koigi et al.
Njonjo needs to shut up. He represents no one. He is a bastard and so is Kamotho. I don't like GG. He has been my MP for as long as I've been alive. We used to think that the Laikipia West seat was his. He made Moi Moi.
SonNative 1 year ago
@danielnyang AND PLIZ INCLUDE KENYATTA IN UR CRITISIZING COZ HE IS THE ONE THAT PLANTED THE SEEDS OF TRIBALISM AND WEN MOI WAS JUST DOING WAT ANY FARMER WOULD DO (TAKE CARE OF THE WEEDS) IN YUR FEILD? U CRYING .......BE FAIR THATS ALL.REMEMBER WEN JARAMOGI FORMED AN OPPOSITION PARTY? WHERE DID HE END UP?.....
wesmonite 1 year ago
@danielnyang u dont dont want to swallow the bitter truth.let the kikus prove the rest of kenia wrong by actually voting 4 someone who is not kikuyu till then i will not stop raising this point.u know that will never happen.blame MrMOI 4 continuing to carry on with the system he was handedor rather by luck and do u remember THE CHANGE THE CONSTITUTION MOVEMENT???????
wesmonite 1 year ago
This info was in the closet for too long.I've learned alot about my country.It amazes me to see how Kenyans were taken for granted....fooled.
mungai123sc 1 year ago
@mungai123sc we were not taken for granted those former powerful politicians were the ones taken for granted like Kamotho Karibu Baba,and Njonjo who fought tooth and nail to see Moi in power listen to hom now
lawrencemathia 1 year ago
@lawrencemathia I concur with you.
mungai123sc 1 year ago
@lawrencemathia u make a very valid point.these are the same players who made kenya a one party state @uhuru.they should have done this wen they were in power especially the former A.G
wesmonite 1 year ago
good documentary,but i'd like to ask one question.how come most of these characters who served under kenyatta for so mamy years never raised the idea of multipartysm in kenya?had a fellow kikuyu succeded kenyatta,am sure ur country could still be under one party.how come they did not call 4 kibaki to step aside during the 2007 election violence?the hero of multiparty democracy mr matiba was nowwhere to heard.come on pepo.be fair.oh mr kibaki comes from wat tribe again?someone pliz remind me.
wesmonite 1 year ago
@wesmonite u dont know matiba. he thought kenyans made a grave mistake to have elected kibaki in 2002 so keep track of news and stop being petty
mwasteve 1 year ago
NTV where is part 2
swirna 1 year ago
@swirna Please all the thread of commentaries on the documentary below and you will find the answer. The second part, supposedly, was a duplicate of the first with a little addition. All the best!
hochwada 1 year ago
@ 9094321 Where is part 2. any one has an idea. I tried searching NTVkenya making of constitution but that part 2 is duplicate and thus not playing n opening?
swirna 1 year ago
@siasabora however much I like the documentary I would not let anybody downplay the role of Bishop Henry Okullu and Alexander Muge to the benefit of Rev Njoya that's what I mean.
72okoths 1 year ago
Thanks Ntv for the critics about omission on important personalities in the 2nd liberalization it would take more than this documetaries even to cover mois era alone, rem we had the TDM (Twelve December Movement), Mwakenya, The Seven Bearded Sisters etc. Anyone who can get the Weekly Review during the late 70s, 80s n early 90s before it went out of business will learn a great deal of our history uncensored, thanks to Hillary Ngweno.
mathooko 1 year ago
I like the documentary. But I wish they would have put Matiba Here; He really was beaten up for our freedom. I also miss Bishop Muge who was murdered. How I wish that our current clergy would really be honest and fight for truth like Rev. Njoya and Bishop Gitari, and Bishop Nzeki. These are brave men and true heroes of our country. Screw John Keen, Njonjo, an Murungi they didnt care about our nation. Mr moi should save us the buggage and retire peacefully without interfering with constitution
kikuyuuu 1 year ago
This DOCUMENTARY is really educational. BUT thumbs UP if you were not taught this kind of history in school, and that you want this generation to be taught such kind of stuff. I think and I BELIEVE mr. MOI had taken control of the education system and decided what kind of information(THE TRUTH) should be kept out of schools.
ddnty 1 year ago
i love the doc bt may i ask on the whereabouts of matiba in ths documentary?? instead of askin nobodyz lyk betty murugi qstnz, why dont u bring matiba in and ask hym what went down then?
madscientistify 1 year ago
and i do not know what people lyk betty murugi r doin on ths video, y not bring people lyk ida odinga,njonjoz wyf or mama ngina kenyatta.betty murugi is a nobody as far as kenyan history is concerned.bring women who served directly on the front lines, ida odinga was even chased from her job a a teacher at kenya high school when her husband fled for safety due to trumped up charges against him.bring njoyas wyf we hea from her syd, not idiots lyk betty murugoi
madscientistify 1 year ago
quender uko john keen, u dint want moi to succeed kenyatta coz he was not from mt kenya.the same same gema that fought hym, was the same 1 that cajoled to his wills, hea we have kibaki at 1 tyme sayin destroyin kanu is lyk cuttin the mugumo tree wth a razor.then we have kamotho and his antics, thank god 4 people lyk raila and matiba, ata sijui i nchi ingekuwa wapi sai bila those people
madscientistify 1 year ago
very interesting. These kind of documents could shape up the future of Kenya as many of us especially the youths we have no idea about our history. We don't know where we have come from. Thanks NTV. I want more of documentaries.
engineer14 1 year ago
@engineer14 I hear you well and agree! From 1981 onwards anyone teaching Kenyan history even at the university exercised uncalled for self-censorship. I do not blame them -- the documentary says it all. Those of us who remember Prof. Edward Oyugi will tell you that he had fire in his belly. Even after he was given back his job at Kenyatta University, he subtly sneeked political discourses into educational pyschology clases. It was fun being his student you received what you would pay for!
hochwada 1 year ago
I am not sure Raila will have a smooth sail in 2012. Tribal chicanery and back-stabing is the hallmark of Kenyan politics. That said, Bishop's Okullu's consignment to Maseno was the handiwork of Njonjo as an elder at the All Saints Cathedral where he called the shots. It was laughable when in the past Njonjo refered to Raila warmly as a son of fighter who will triumph. What a sacarsm or is it a late realization? Kenya needs strong institutions that are impenetratable by trabilism run amok!
hochwada 1 year ago
@suensmith Tribalism has eaten Kenyans to the marrow. But we can still redeem our motherland. Raila reminds me of Jaramogi Odinga -- you should find time to read some of the things he wrote before independence. They are incredible. I think Jaramogi's undoing was his impatence. I recall a write-up and speech he gave in 1981 that was reported in the East African Standard that was a masterpiece. Odinga was a great human being. As for Raila, I think he has evolved considerably as a politician.
hochwada 1 year ago
By the way, the personalities who helped to propel Target and Lengo (Okullu); Beyond (Okullu, Bedan Mbugwa, and Muge). The first time I met Alexander Muge is when I was teaching in Uasin Gishu where he was bishop of Eldoret Diocese. I attended conference at the Dutch Reformed Church where gave the opening speech that made the Reformed Church uncomfortable. I requested a copy of it and he asked me to visit with him at his office where he gave it to me. A really down-to-earth pastor I ever met.
hochwada 1 year ago
For those who are in Kenya or at institutions of higher learning abroad with strong centers of African Studies take time to read the Nation, Standard, Nairobi Times and The Weekly Review of the 1970s through the late 1980s.
The truth is that Moi will be judged harshly by hisotry save for his expansion of university education in Kenya. When some scholars joined KANU in the 1980s, they thought they would help to reform the party from within. Little did they know that they were being used by Moi.
hochwada 1 year ago
My apologies to you all. I watched the 17 minute and the 23 minute parts that were shown initailly -- true I also thought the first one was duplicated -- and sure NTV has owned up that it was duplicated. Be that as it may, this a great start to understanding where the rains began to beat us. As @72okoths argues Okullu and Muge played an extremely important role in the political debate of the time. Revisit Target, Lengo (swahili), and Beyond. The magazines were publications of Anglican Church
hochwada 1 year ago
Very impressive documentary Linus but I think Rev Timothy Njoya’s role has been overrated. Bishop Okullu and Alexander Muge played more pivotal role in liberation among the clergy .Muge paid the ultimate price. Where is Oloo Aringo in all this?
72okoths 1 year ago
@72: does it really matter? what is your gauge of who did 'better' than the other? do you know how many other unsung heroes we have out there? It is not a matter of who talked more or got whipped by APs more...the Big Q is: Who was for the cause? Period!
siasabora 1 year ago
For anybody interested in watching part 1&2 ,type NTVkenya making of costitution and they will all pop up. This good staff we need more.
9094321 1 year ago
More More More. Good Job NTV. Bringing back memories.
uhuru187 1 year ago
NTV we need clear pictures like this one . Good work
9094321 1 year ago
where is part 2 of this, we can't find it? NTV do something about it
swirna 1 year ago
@swirna
Type NTVkenya making of constitution, and they will all pop up.
9094321 1 year ago
This was a good exposee on the 80's. I watched making of a Nation, they did quite an in depth history on Kenyatta but rushed through the 80's. We did not see this side of Moi. Thank you Nation for this refresher
little1920 1 year ago
Where Is Part two of this "Making of constitution"? I cant find it! Was it censored out?!!
collgibsons 1 year ago
The should've have had someone else narrate this documentary...Linus Kaikai is a good interviewer but providing voice-over for a documentary is a skill he doesn't have.
namgot 1 year ago
After watching the first, second and third part I have a few issues to put clear. Okullu's fight predates all other clergy in Kenya -- indeed, his was perhaps the most sophisticated contribution that spaned his life as a man of the cloth, to say the least. Our clergy will require a more focused but philosophical analysis to determine their actual contribution. It goes back to the 1970s. Funny, though, I recall literally discarding all my copies of Beyond Magazine when it was proscribed in 1988.
hochwada 1 year ago
@hochwada hear hear!!
juleskami87 1 year ago
@hochwada where's the second part?, i cant seem to find it
ShattyDiablo 1 year ago
We need more of this kind of documentation of our history. More critical and in-depth. Historians and political scientists in conjunction with media people should take this challenge and go back all the way to the coming of the colonialists and even the earlier invasion of the Portuguese and Omani Arabs.
benadede 1 year ago
@benadede I wonder what Moi makes of all this. He must surely be a worried man seeing history told the way he least expected, especially by Kariuki, Njonjo, and Kamotho. It is perhaps because of all these that Moi is busy marshalling the current breed of the monied clergy to oppose the Draft Constitution on filmsy excuses. On a different level, I would like to have all transcripts of Njonjo's interviews -- there is more than meets the eye. Njonjo was the most dismissive official in Kenya.
hochwada 1 year ago
@hochwada That is why we need more critical full length documentaries. I want to here from the Kamotho's why they were for Moi before they were not for Moi. I want to hear from the Koigi's/Raila's how they navigated stick (detention/jail) and carrot (Koigi recently told us of his 30 acres from Moi). I want to hear from the Moi's how the West turned a blind eye to their excesses and supported them when they were of importance to the Cold War then dumped them post - Cold War.
benadede 1 year ago
and Koigi today is sleeping with Moi? Kamotho was a sellout licking Moi's backside. Njonjo wz a loser he got clipped and he is the reason mediocrity like Moi lasted this long for Mjinga akierevuka Werevu waiingia mashakani. Wananchi have paid the high price..and are still paying!
siasabora 1 year ago