I've learned to take comments from artists themselves at arms length, a bit of a grain of salt. even Lynch's. WHY? Artists, even though they may tell you what such and such means etc.... ARE CREATING FROM and unknown creative source. Artists themselves don't completely understand the works they are creating. Works are created largely from the subconscious with some help from the conscious brain. If you ask an artist why..he might respond it was my gut. the Greats are vehicles not the source.
@ZIROLAND : "Artists themselves don't completely understand the works they are creating." Seldom did I read something more stupid. You should try to read high literature, you'll definitely change your opinion. Every single detail in a piece of real art is intended and perfectly conscious to the artist, otherwise it isn't art. This is what's the difference between pretentious guys like Tarantino and real artists like Lynch.
@sdfgdsgfsdfs ACCORDING to LYNCH and I QUOTE: "I don’t think it’s too good to analyze while you’re flowing, because sometimes you can think too much. Later on when you look back at what you’ve done, it seems almost magical – there’s so much power there and so many things that were right on, but there was NO THINKING." CARL JUNG's also stated that creation of art stems from the subconscious archetypes." The quote above is from the "horse's" mouth himself. You have no defense.
@ZIROLAND : Of course, "I have a defense". You shouldn't quote without knowing the context: C.G. Jung's archetypes are only one (OUT OF MANY) factors that motivate our actions (apart from that it is a non-verifiable theory). I quote U. Eco: "Art ist 10% inspiration and 90% transpiration." He believed that every artist, who says something else, is a liar who pretends to be an "non-conscious genius".
@sdfgdsgfsdfs : In other words: Lynch lied in that quote (which is likely since there are consistent interpretations of his films. A purely subconscious work of art would not allow such interpretations, it would simply be a chaotic mess).
@sdfgdsgfsdfs If you think Lynch "lied" that's YOUR opinion. You have provided no proof. LOL. Why on earth would Lynch lie about his own creative artistic process? It's not for you to judge with any authority. HIS WORDS not yours. I NEVER stated that art making is PURELY subconscious. The creative art act incorporates REASON/LOGIC.... AND.... INTUITIVE SUBCONSCIOUS elements. I'm very surprised you are ignorant of this process. This is WIDELY known by artists and critics.
@ZIROLAND : Obviously, you didn't understand anything I've written. First: I'm not "ignorant of it" (I emphasized "OUT OF MANY" in my last comment) but I'm pretty sure you were since you just mentioned archetypes. Second: I can't prove that it is a lie, and you can't prove that is NOT a lie. So, nobody can prove anything. Why Lynch should lie, I already explained by quoting Umberto Eco and many artists narcisstic wish to pretend to be geniuses mainly unconscious of their methods.
@sdfgdsgfsdfs : That notion of the artist as a "non-conscious genius" is a very old-fashioned one arised in the era of classicism and romanticism (especially the wrong notion of Mozart writing his works in a sort of effortless and unconscious, genius-like condition). Read Eco's quote again and try to understand it before answering.
@sdfgdsgfsdfs Lol... but you stated it as a "Lie"... what kind of logic are you using? He's stated this on more than one occasion. Why on earth would he lie? It's true no one except he knows if he's lying, but to state your assumption as a fact is crazy. It would seem he has no motive to lie. Regardless, countless other artists have essentially said the same thing. Are they ALL LYING? I find that unlikely. Your called me "stupid". You call Lynch himself a LIAR. unbelievable
@sdfgdsgfsdfs LYNCH the ARTIST is the best source concerning his own work that I can think of.This is self evident. Jung was just the start.. Look up Joseph Campbell, Heinrich Zimmer on Art and Myth. This particular topic of the creative artmaking process has been EXTENSIVELY written about by many. What I have learned through my reading is that the process involves BOTH Reason/Logic AND Subconscious Intuition. I'd like to think that LYNCH is innocent until proven guilty of LYING.
@sdfgdsgfsdfs I was referring to LYNCH's comment. :) "but there was no thinking.." to refresh your memory. You have no defense. His comment directly refutes your "educated" all knowing assertion. No defense, case closed. :D
She's also the prostitute, the waitress, etc... In dream theory, all characters that appear tend to be aspects of the self (UNLESS it's a real person in your life eg. Father, Mother, etc...) Dream logic is entirely different from waking logic. I LOVE the scene in the theater of Illusion... that's a huge hint. also... notice that when searching for "Diane Sellmans" apt. theres a telling shot of Betty and Rita walking stride for stride in EXACT synchronization (they are the same person) GENIUS!!!
personally, I believe this is a masterpiece. I've seen the movie 6 times and still do not completely understand it (why?). it's in the language of DREAMS. dreams are contradictory, not necessarily logical, metaphorical etc.. I've come to believe that the ENTIRE movie is a death dream, that is, the dream that Diane has after pulling the trigger yet still alive as she dreams toward death. Diane's identity is ambiguous (She is Betty, Rita, the homeless monster,..they are all aspects of herself)
@ZIROLAND I would not even try to explain it to him. He won't get it. He says he's a successful independent filmmaker with several projects under way, yet he still finds the time to bash Lynch on youtube using the vocabulary of a rude, retarded 10 year old.
Thank you SO much for explaining to some or a great degree why so disjointed; didn't know it was a TV pilot originally!
After the first half (which I felt was slow but decent) I was p****d that it started getting to be like .... well it's a lot like the commenter below stated - like a dream. As a movie, it's an art piece - a pointed and poignant poem of a sort and/or an abstract painting of souls, dreams and mysteries. Basically, as an abstract painting? ... it's a very good film!
This is the kind of movie you don't forget about. It made me think for days, if not weeks. There are plenty of beautiful scenes and memorable moments. Some people are haters. If you liked Mulholland Drive, check out Inland Empire. It's like MD on steroids.
I didn't understand it, and I loved it. For me it was like a long dream. Like a dream, it made sense while I was asleep but not after I woke up. I think about it a lot.
everyone who thinks this pile of shit is any good are mac users due to their media tutors telling them macs are better than a pc and that the epic failure lynch is a talented director, no wonder Hollywood wont touch him when 99% of his shit he calls films flop in the box office.
@pccrybabyhater1 maybe you should watch something that is not so complex for your poor little brain, something you don't have to think much about, something that is a big box-office hit since that seems to be your #1 requisite for what makes a good movie. maybe the next noisy hunk of shit Michael Bay comes up with is more up your alley.
@DWaq32 oh you mean transformers that had a budget of $150,000,000 and grossed $709,709,780 in the box office, lets see that idiot lynch do that. He cant as he doesnt make films people want to watch, now fuck off back to your crappy little media class with the rest of your retarded mac fanboy and fangirls were your told the films of lynch are good films LMFAO (and before you wonder, yes i am an independent film maker that has projects under way)
@pccrybabyhater1 wow, can't wait to see your projects, especially when you write like a retarded 10-year old. one thing: I have no idea what the fuck you are talking about. I have never had a mac in my life. and before you wonder, I majored in economics and just opened up a consulting business, so I don't give a fuck what you do. good luck (p.s. if i were a filmmaker, I would be encouraged to know there's such little competition.)
@DWaq32 well you woulnt watch my projects would you as you just watch crap like what lynch made, and i bet you loved that other crap called amile dont you thats about some retarded french girl, thanks but no thanks i think i shall watch films by the masters such as Ridley Scott, James Cameron, Lucas etc etc etc, ah so you have no clue about films and have not studied film but you try and tell me what a good film is LMFAO oh the irony
@DWaq32 All of this is subjective. Why are you so bitter. Why even comment, if it's not your cup of tea? No one can prove that one work of art is "better" than another, yet there are certain principles that in common concerning great art. Would any sane person believe that Billy Idol is a better composer than JS Bach, just because he made more money/more popular ? Personally, I think Mulholland Dr. is a masterpiece. Like all great works, it requires multiple viewings. It's complex.
@ZIROLAND Dude, why are you beefing with me? I like Mulholland Dr. I think your comment was meant for that asshole below who says he's an independent filmmaker and hates Lynch. According to him, if a movie makes money, it's a masterpiece. By that principle, he values Michael Bay more than Lynch and Transformers 2 is better than any Lynch film.
@DWaq32 is that what your retarded mac loving retarded media tutor told you to say ? come on duck head explain why that crap called mulholland drive flopped in the box office
it's a simple and cruel story about a girl came to hollywood to realize her dreams but who ends up getting her lover killed for stealing her the first role in a movie. Uncapable to deal with what she's done she seeks escape in her dreams but realises the gravity of what she's done and, overwhelmed with guilt, finally kills herself. On of the greatest films about Hollywood's dark side along with Sunset Boulevard.
@MrTripfontaines86 Dude, you'll see my comment above (just posted) where the description allowed me to see it as a (failed?) TV pilot turned into a movie... BUT, I will now add that, if one IS to make sense of it, your solution is the very best I have seen anywhere!
@voicetube well thanks man, I'd like to have the brains to come up with such a good analysis but unfortunately I just read it from a french site 'cause this movie obsessed me like I can't tell u (even more than Lost Highway) and the detailed explanation I found on that site was really the most logical. I loved the movie the first time I saw it but the pleasure of discovering it's true meaning really takes it to yet another level. True masterpiece.
The solution I'm happiest with: the first act of the film occurs in the afterlife, immediately following her suicide at the end of the second act. In the first act, she has become everything she wasn't in real life. Added to this 'deathtrip' is dream-logic in which characters in her real life become narrative tools she subconsciously uses in her afterlife. The theory is expanded on more fully in fan sites, but it is the only one that can properly account for all aspects of this outstanding movie
Many people seem to have come to a consensus about the basic plot. I don't know if that is because a single source has influenced so many or if that is just the general interpretation. I totally agree with Lynch on the subject of abstractions, still I like to be able to translate a part of it to really enjoy it. I also wanna I think Mulholland is one of the most genuinely scary movies I have ever seen.
@burgerkingmurders She sees herself, it's her bad conscience that makes the girl on the bed (herself) look dead. It's because when they're looking for the girl with that particular name (her), it trickles those thoughts and dreams...
@jo75tiger In twin peaks agent makes references to tibetain buddhism. Dream yoga is one of the arts of tibetain buddism. Two main important concepts are maya and brahma. Maya is often translated to as illusion. But in mathematics we have irrational numbers, rational numbers and IMAGINARY numbers. Real and imaginary numbers have to be understood in contrast to irrational and rational or real numbers. The substance of dreams is the same as maya, but maya's illusion is solid and "real" no?
most people get bothered by the movie even if they claim to love it although they have a hard time understanding it, and it all roots back to the fact that they make the mistake of being too analytical about it, you have to use both sides of the brain, and I would say in this case feeling before thinking for the movie is highly emotional
@secretmiggles Open ended? He finished all the episodes. They just never aired. Another running joke of his. There was so much repetition in the events of each of the characters, that not a lot was lost except the courtesy of seeing the show as it was intended to be shown.
Make what you want out of it, but expecting to brake it down into a simple storyline is like trying to explain somebody else's subconcious, and all the mysterious ways things are connected to each other (which even YOU wouldn't be able to explain if the dream was yours).
@bloodySunday77 Plot is the logical sequence of events in order, storyline is the obscuation of plot as told by the narrator. Notice I said narrator. Who "narrated" usual suspects? The main culprit. A book is written by a writer so generally its his narrative but it might not be so. As he concieves it to be experienced by a reader unaware of the trick involved in the presentation of material.
@ordosincorporated Thank you for a nice (although irrelevant) mini lecture on dictionary and drama. In your answer - which should be posted next month - try to address some actual arguments on presenting the movie into a reader's digest "Idiot's Guide to Mullholland Drive" version.
Funny how people try to break it down into a series of simple "it's pretty easy, let me spell it out for you" scenarios. And yet, there are ALWAYS parts missing from these explanations, or alternative ways to look at it. That's one of the beauties of the movie: it is what it is.
@bloodySunday77 Lynch has clearly said that the theorys are interesting but wrong. Its really troubling to see how stupid people really are. First of all, lynch's screenplays are generally computer generated. There is a big clue there. A story told with "phone numbers". This black book, telling a story with numbers. Like how the yijing is also a story of real events. There is a lot of occult concepts in his works well outside the understanding of the lay.
@chrisjdgrady Actually the reverse audio is the real major clue and its not visual. Listen to the opening shot with headphones on real loud. If her aunt is dead how on earth can she call her on the phone? And what left the feces? Looks like kangaroo poop to me. Not dog.
and the most strange of all,the old woman with the little people...is this supposed to be a nightmare?the dan guy at the beginning with the psychiatrist guy (i suppose he is something like that) and also the reckless assassin who i find to be totally unrelated to the rest of the movie...i was on the edge of my seat until the end but then i was somewhat disappointed...i didn't expect everything to be explained but at least something...good movie overall though...
@amagginas Ok let me pull people out of the tunnel of their own rectums. You know that in theaters films are on multiple reels right? Well there is a cue mark in the upper right hand corner that the projectionist looks for to switch reels. You've seen it numerous times, but perhaps only subconsciously. How do you think directors edit reams and reams of film with such ease? They embed their own cue marks so to speak. The movie after all is about a director isnt it?
guys,there is no explanation for almost everything in the film...supposing someone understands the whole dream thing (which also is not that obvious...how the hell is someone supposed to understand the biggest part of the movie is diane's dream?),there is no explanation to the whole thing with the cowboy or the female protagonist of adam's movie in the dream...it's mixed up with reality in some ppoints...
@ishpirate But who is Betty and who is Rita? Are they persons that Diane is dreaming about how it could be. I mean Betty = Diane, and Rita = Camilla, but in 2 different ways of life: Diane's dream and her now reality.
@Nemanjanika Look at it this way. In dreamland, Diane wants to be someone else (betty) and she wants Camilla to be someone else (Rita). The whole movie is Diane (Bettys) dream. Its kind of like if you see a glimps of something in reality but its stuck in your subconcious..but when you sleep it plays a major role. Kind of like when Diane saw the cowboy at the party...he was just part of the background...but he was a major role in dreamworld. Wactch the movie in reverse, it'll make more sense.
@ishpirate Pretentious much, you pompous ass? Stop the presses, some jerk off on youtube figured out the plot to a film that isint meant to be fully deciphered. None of Lynch's films can be explained in a single paragraph, and even respected film historians can't come to a consensus on the meaning. So what you're saying is that where everyone else has failed to explain everything that happens in the film, you've done the impossible. Christ, you're fucking self righteous retard.
@AtreyusSorrow Anger management issues much? I guess in your world nobody should ever advance an opinion without clearing it with you first, lest they be "pretentious," a word you clearly don't understand in the first place. The gist of the film CAN be explained in a short paragraph, and a short paragraph is all YouTube allows room for. What the hell is there to get mad about?
tho i wonder if the producers/show pickers at ABC were like we fuck'd up,or fired after the rave reviews of MD as a feature film in deciding to piss all over Lynchs script..
His movies, which I love, are always more fun to watch in a packed theater where you get the crowd's reactions to the many humorous absurdities, but also get overwhelmed by the emotions and music...it's like a waking dream
I can do nothing but laugh at the pretentious people who think they "understand" this film and have this sense of superiority because of it. For some reason people want to dissect and have an explanation for EVERYTHING, it's silly. I view this film in the same way I would view an abstract painting. Of course you can sit there and scrutinize every little detail to find the "meaning" behind it but you can also just stand back and enjoy the pure beauty of it. I personally choose the latter.
No one really knows what David Lynch’s movie is about, but that doesn’t stop me from being intrigued by the completely weird ending to Mulholland Dr., the movie that put Naomi Watts on the map. There’s something about Pandora’s box, about two leading women being the same person, Watts masturbating and making out with herself, etc.
The key to lynch movies is the key to life, it means nothing. You sit there and try to figure it out, you make up meanings for things that have no meaning, then get a confused feeling wheather what you made up about what it means is right or not. The funny thing is you will never truely know if you got it.
Who put the blue box in betty's bag?...these points are lost if its looked at as a split dream/reality..i think its all one piece either all reality or all dream. and Lynch presents his images very literally. i think it might have something to do with the Black Dahlia murder or somehow the Wonderland murders but i'm not sure.
I reckon Lynch is showing that a scene can be played in many different ways...the way the outcome of a court case can be judged differently depending on how you look at the evidence...my theory is its to do with some murder that took place in the past where it was covered up or subject to corruption by the mafia.. the Ryan boardroom is the jury room..adam is the key witness. the dead girl on the bed is actually a dead girl on the bed not betty/diane...who is she?
Adam is like the key witness required to say this is the girl when looking at the five people behind the glass. like from an ID lineup..he is leant on by the mob...if you join up all the times when there is something a little strange in the dialogue and also recurrences of things like behind glass..long eye contact, luggage being loaded..its what you see on the screen not what any deep meaning is I reckon..the Silencio club is the court room..everything you hear is on tape...
@sirbenofboing Due to limitations of todays technology we have not evolved yet to represent a computer generated reality to an observer as such. Nor are we able to revive dead people as computer simulations. But we will some day.
my best guess so far is that its a semioticists wet-dream...Lynch says two clues before the credits..they are the jitterbug contest...1940's (1947?) ...and the electric flashes on the sign...someone has been executed by electrocution and thats a hearse..notice how slowly its going...notice Adam's door shuts like a jail door..coco mentions Kangaroo and court in the same sentence..The cowboy is the prosecutor/jailer/executioner...hence the light flashing on like like when the switch is pulled.
yeah, the blonde is a low life, who didn't make it as an actress; in her dreams ( the movie) she was a fantastic actress. I think that's why the gist of the movie is.
The movie isnt that complex. Diane came from Canada with an ego after winning a jitterbug contest in hopes of being a movie star. Camilla Rhodes and her became friends and fuck buddies. However Diane fell in love. Camilla got Dianes dream and Camilla used Diane. Dianes dreams were destroyed so she put a hit out on her and killed her. Diane became depressed, fell asleep for a while and dreamed up how she wished things could've been. Herself as Betty, a talented actress and camilla as the hurt one
@guilynch And as for all the other 'strange' characters... The Man Behind Winkies smbolizes the ugly side of hollywood... the near site of it will destory your dreams. The Old Couple symbolize Dianes failed success and the haunt her in the end. The Blue Box (although it isnt a character) represents the gateway between Dream and Reality...blue being the color of depression...entering a beautiful dream toa depressing reality. The Midget/Stigliani Bros./Mob represents Dianes need to destroy Adam.
@ishpirate I thought the old couple represented her conscience....building her up when she thought she deserved praise then bringing her down when reality set it...maybe i'm way of base lol.
@elrushbo1004 Well the interpretation can be taken anyway really...but to me, they represent The Hollywood Golden Years...Happiness, sort of angelic...people she confides in and will help her. And when reality kicks in, they turn into her demons who want to destory her. But the conscience idea is a nice approach and ive never looked at it that way. As for the cowboy... he kind of represents reality and common sense. The only one in Dianes dream who knows whats going on.
@ishpirate i disagree hard.as a mini series it prolly would have been dull,and odd made no sense at all, you have towatch it/ take it in all in one swoop...to get mind fucked and understand what you think has happened/is happening.
@ishpirate I agree; I think that the film is shot from Diane's perspective and point of view, as she revises her past and becomes the sweet young ingenue with bags of talent and a once-in-a-lifetime love. The truth is far seedier and depressing, but I don't think that's the real truth either. Every aspect of the film is skewed because of Diane's depression. It's one of my all time favourites.
@ishpirate Truth. I think people just aren't used to using their god damn heads to figure things out anymore. Everything s fucking spelled out for them!
@somotastic21 it's not suppose to be a man...its a woman playing a man. The lady in the radiator (Eraserhead) is voiced by a man. Thats just lynch weirdness. Lynch is like algebra...he doesn't make sense but one just excepts it. I personally feel the homeless man represents the 'ugly' truth and reality.
@ishpirate No I know it's a woman playing a man, I was just saying what's up with the guy (who's really a woman) behind the diner. Lol I like the algebra reference. Yeah it is weirdness
@ishpirate I understand that this so far is the best explanation that we have and this was the conclusion that I first came to, but you have to accept that it still does not explain everything. For example, if we take the blue box as a projection of the blue key that the hitman leaves, it does not explain why the man behind winkies is seen with it after Diane kills herself.
@MrAlfred1995 He laughed when she asked him if the key was a sign that the job was done. Then she switches apartments but the key ended up on the table still. Bumbling hitman was never so talented at killing anyone except with the classic murder to look like an automobile accident. Almost as classic as a murder designed to look like a suicide that the CIA was known for. Anyone have any pat answers for these revelations?
@1986BJK it is not that hard to figure out what happened in the movie when you watch it a second time. just because that is the way that you figured out the plot doesn't mean it can not be done by just watching
The movie's meanings are so often examined and discussed and pondered. Lynch certainly created a puzzle box here. But I don't care much for theories about what the movie means; I care more that it touches me profoundly, that it makes me scared, it thrills me, it excites me, it makes me laugh, it haunts me, it mesmerizes me. It's not often that a film is this entertaining and strange and unique. (And half the fun is that wondrous musical score-- wow.) For me, this is Lynch's zenith, his gem. ♥
For the material they were given the actors and actresses did a fantastic job as well as the entire production crew - but the script is worse than looking at David Lynch's liver spotted balls for two hours. I hate this film so god damn much.
ABC basically "chewed up and spit out" Lynch when they rejected the final version of his original "Mullholland Drive" pilot in 1999 {after forcing him to water down his vision of what HE wanted it to be}. This is why he's never produced anything for television since then...
People really tend to over analyze this great film. The fact is it's simply a character portrait of the terribly sad life of a young woman that Hollywood chewed up and spit out.
I heard of this movie a long time ago but never got the chance to see it..... I saw it 3 times and my god.... this movie is the work of genius! I don't often comment on a movie, but this is the fuckiest fuckiest best movie I've ever seen!!! I'm like while watching this movie and asking.. what the fuck just happend? then ahh.. I see, but then.. huh? where did that come from? and then what has this scene got to do with the story, then ahh.... I got it.. it fits, but then .. it don't fit...
@loaduponc Thats one of the cool things about Lynch movies is that it CAN be up to you what some things mean. Often we have things going on in our lives or have had experiences that resonate with scenes in movies and THAT is what makes works of art emotional for us. Having said that, this is what i really love about david lynchs work..i feel like his style of keeping things open ended allows for the viewer to become attached to the work, in their own way.
Most people take this movie way too literally or try to cram it into some logical constraint, but it's meant to be an illogical but intense EXPERIENCE. Not just a simple linear story, but an attempt to recreate the sensation of a reality, our reality, that is influenced by, infused with, overwhelmed by fantasy, dreams and delusions. We live a half dream always but some people are more consumed. Like actors, and artists, and politicians, and lunatics.
I thought Mullholland was easily Lynch's weakest film. I didn't care for the contrivance of a story calling upon itself, almost like a pretzel. The idea of identity and character are interesting and mysterious, but the shape of the story felt forced, to me, compared to Lost Highway, where changing identity is so organically explored. David reworked his TV pilot footage into a feature film and I sensed and felt this, without prior knowledge, when I first saw it. Inland Empire so succeeds at this.
It's all imagination and drempt while Betty lies alone suicidal and overdosing in her bed. The ideal Betty is the protagonist or Betty as she had hoped to be when she left home to escape repressed sexual abuse which was common but unspoken knowledge amongst her family. Her Aunt Ruth is the blue haired woman and is reminding the viewer that silence can be the greatest betrayal or sin sometimes. Betty was just failed actress who developed a lethal drug habit and waitressed at Winky's.
@tastedgeno6well ill take a stab at it. As far as David Lynch films go this was pretty straightfoward in comparison to his other movies. The majority of the movie is the dream of Diane Selwyn and how she wanted her life to be. Betty ( her alter ego) was confident, strong, and somewhat naive, but did things the right way. Rita (Camilla) was weak and needing, completely reliant upon Betty, which is how Diane wanted Camilla to be.
@tastedgeno69 The mystery of the movie with the casting of the actress and the misfortune of the director (Adam Kesher) , along with the conspiracy aspects are Diane's excuses as to why Diane never made it as an actress. The final 30 minutes put everything in perspective, to include how Diane became Betty in her dream (the waitress in the diner was named Betty) her plans to have Camilla killed and subsequent break down was laid out pretty clearly in the film.
@manchu2007 exactly the film is actually not that complicated, all the answers are right there given to you at the end. Its sometimes too jarring to pick up on the first time you see it, but watch it again knowing the first 2 hours are a dream, and then the last 30 min is flashing events that explain the origins of the dream from Dianne's reality. The exception is the final moments which establish that Dianne's nightmare refuses to leave her and finally consumes her.
@tastedgeno69 . The mystery of the movie with the casting of the actress and the misfortune of the director (Adam Kesher) , along with the conspiracy aspects are Diane's excuses as to why Diane never made it as an actress. The final 30 minutes put everything in perspective, to include how Diane became Betty in her dream (the waitress in the diner was named Betty) her plans to have Camilla killed and subsequent break down was laid out pretty clearly in the film.
It took me two or three viewings to really get it but it's pretty easy to peace together now and makes perfect sense. Part of the fun of the movie was not knowing what was going on and then slowly figuring it out. I know some people think that the blue box was like a portal to an alternate world but the dream scenario makes more sense.
The only thing I didn't get was who the blue haired woman at the club was?
I think the key to understanding this movie is to understand that it isn't supposed 'make sense' in any logical or rational way. Roger Ebert perhaps had the best explanation of it. In many films a sequence of disconnected events is portrayed only to lead to a conclusion that 'it was all a dream' and in the final act reality sets in and explains whatever came before it. In "Mulholland Drive" the entire story is dream---THE WHOLE THING-- from start to finish. It is one long surreal nightmare.
@JackKangaroo1 pienso exactamente lo mismo. I think kinda the same way.. i mean, at the end it does not make any sense.. but if u tray to "understain", ok, ill give that explanation, a dream, and plus this this dream* seems to be endless, look the end, look the start of the movie..
is the scene over the sheets her spirit hovering over her dead body? does she come back as a dead person (or never leave?) and struggle with what she has done? then, figure it out, have her flashbacks, and die?
Suggestion: this is a beautiful dream composition of 'Mulholland Drive's lock of love'. A real organic movie key is somewhere else highly recommended: a taste of Hollywood life is always found nearby coffee.
There is always a hidden story within the movies of david lynch, also with stanley kubrick. Or should I say symbolism that tells a story symbolically.
@electronicmedium i agree and I think this can also serve as a warning about Hollywood in general. To never lose sight of ur goals or dreams. If you do you can end up like Diane.
@iBox2020 No and nobody really can. As said in a lot of 'explanations' this movie is open for interpretation. A lot of scenes that rise questions and eventually a lot don't get answered. And that seems to be the brilliancy of this movie.
Heh. I disagree. I think it's lame. The lesbian scenes were ok though.
I agree with you. People seem to think that because it's so open-ended, the movie is great. If that were the case, I could shoot a bunch of scenes that have nothing to do with eachother a call it a movie. The brilliance of being open to interpretation is legitimate evidence of multiple explanations (Donnie Darko, Shutter Island). But this is just random scenarios thrown together. I could say the box just switched people into other people's shoes. Or it was a dream. I just didn't get it.
@Surya112 maybe this movie is something for you to visit again later. i think of it in terms of subconscious thought and surrealism when i watch. By the very definition, something that is open to interpretation will appear disjointed, random. There are arguably alot more going on in this than the other films you have mentioned. I would have to re-watch but id say either of those films only has 2-3 core themes. i'd say this has many more, mainly as it's delves into human nature.
@Surya112 I accidentally thumbed up your comment, please minus one.
I disagree. This movie isn't random sequences sewn together. his movie is carefully layered one on top of another with each of them has deliberate line taking place. I'm not saying I get this movie completely, but the elements in this work represent a variety of themes. This movie does have "legitimate evidence of multiple explanations", esp. when you are watching this piece-by-piece. That's the sheer brilliance of this film.
The first 2/3's of the movie is a dream, or an invention, or a fantasy, or whatever you want to call it created by Naomi Watts' real character Dianne Selwyn. She has the fantasy or dream after she realizes that the hitman she hired has gone through with killing her ex-lover whom she is greatly obsessed with. It is not random scenarios, it is the story of a depressed holywood hopeful who deals with the guilt of killing someone she loved dearly.
@Surya112 Most of the people were at one time alive. Most, not all. They all however, ended up in the same place. Dead. In a matter of speaking. No longer able to be free to do what they want. That is the reason for the backstory of the different characters. They all ended up in the same place and experienced the exact same thing in the exact same way at some point. The seat at the diner, club silencio, and so on. Its not random.
I've learned to take comments from artists themselves at arms length, a bit of a grain of salt. even Lynch's. WHY? Artists, even though they may tell you what such and such means etc.... ARE CREATING FROM and unknown creative source. Artists themselves don't completely understand the works they are creating. Works are created largely from the subconscious with some help from the conscious brain. If you ask an artist why..he might respond it was my gut. the Greats are vehicles not the source.
ZIROLAND 2 weeks ago
@ZIROLAND : "Artists themselves don't completely understand the works they are creating." Seldom did I read something more stupid. You should try to read high literature, you'll definitely change your opinion. Every single detail in a piece of real art is intended and perfectly conscious to the artist, otherwise it isn't art. This is what's the difference between pretentious guys like Tarantino and real artists like Lynch.
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@sdfgdsgfsdfs ACCORDING to LYNCH and I QUOTE: "I don’t think it’s too good to analyze while you’re flowing, because sometimes you can think too much. Later on when you look back at what you’ve done, it seems almost magical – there’s so much power there and so many things that were right on, but there was NO THINKING." CARL JUNG's also stated that creation of art stems from the subconscious archetypes." The quote above is from the "horse's" mouth himself. You have no defense.
ZIROLAND 1 day ago
@ZIROLAND : Of course, "I have a defense". You shouldn't quote without knowing the context: C.G. Jung's archetypes are only one (OUT OF MANY) factors that motivate our actions (apart from that it is a non-verifiable theory). I quote U. Eco: "Art ist 10% inspiration and 90% transpiration." He believed that every artist, who says something else, is a liar who pretends to be an "non-conscious genius".
sdfgdsgfsdfs 1 day ago
@sdfgdsgfsdfs : In other words: Lynch lied in that quote (which is likely since there are consistent interpretations of his films. A purely subconscious work of art would not allow such interpretations, it would simply be a chaotic mess).
sdfgdsgfsdfs 1 day ago
@sdfgdsgfsdfs If you think Lynch "lied" that's YOUR opinion. You have provided no proof. LOL. Why on earth would Lynch lie about his own creative artistic process? It's not for you to judge with any authority. HIS WORDS not yours. I NEVER stated that art making is PURELY subconscious. The creative art act incorporates REASON/LOGIC.... AND.... INTUITIVE SUBCONSCIOUS elements. I'm very surprised you are ignorant of this process. This is WIDELY known by artists and critics.
ZIROLAND 1 day ago
@ZIROLAND : Obviously, you didn't understand anything I've written. First: I'm not "ignorant of it" (I emphasized "OUT OF MANY" in my last comment) but I'm pretty sure you were since you just mentioned archetypes. Second: I can't prove that it is a lie, and you can't prove that is NOT a lie. So, nobody can prove anything. Why Lynch should lie, I already explained by quoting Umberto Eco and many artists narcisstic wish to pretend to be geniuses mainly unconscious of their methods.
sdfgdsgfsdfs 1 day ago
@sdfgdsgfsdfs : That notion of the artist as a "non-conscious genius" is a very old-fashioned one arised in the era of classicism and romanticism (especially the wrong notion of Mozart writing his works in a sort of effortless and unconscious, genius-like condition). Read Eco's quote again and try to understand it before answering.
sdfgdsgfsdfs 1 day ago
@sdfgdsgfsdfs Lol... but you stated it as a "Lie"... what kind of logic are you using? He's stated this on more than one occasion. Why on earth would he lie? It's true no one except he knows if he's lying, but to state your assumption as a fact is crazy. It would seem he has no motive to lie. Regardless, countless other artists have essentially said the same thing. Are they ALL LYING? I find that unlikely. Your called me "stupid". You call Lynch himself a LIAR. unbelievable
ZIROLAND 1 day ago
@sdfgdsgfsdfs LYNCH the ARTIST is the best source concerning his own work that I can think of.This is self evident. Jung was just the start.. Look up Joseph Campbell, Heinrich Zimmer on Art and Myth. This particular topic of the creative artmaking process has been EXTENSIVELY written about by many. What I have learned through my reading is that the process involves BOTH Reason/Logic AND Subconscious Intuition. I'd like to think that LYNCH is innocent until proven guilty of LYING.
ZIROLAND 1 day ago
@sdfgdsgfsdfs I was referring to LYNCH's comment. :) "but there was no thinking.." to refresh your memory. You have no defense. His comment directly refutes your "educated" all knowing assertion. No defense, case closed. :D
ZIROLAND 1 day ago
She's also the prostitute, the waitress, etc... In dream theory, all characters that appear tend to be aspects of the self (UNLESS it's a real person in your life eg. Father, Mother, etc...) Dream logic is entirely different from waking logic. I LOVE the scene in the theater of Illusion... that's a huge hint. also... notice that when searching for "Diane Sellmans" apt. theres a telling shot of Betty and Rita walking stride for stride in EXACT synchronization (they are the same person) GENIUS!!!
ZIROLAND 2 weeks ago
personally, I believe this is a masterpiece. I've seen the movie 6 times and still do not completely understand it (why?). it's in the language of DREAMS. dreams are contradictory, not necessarily logical, metaphorical etc.. I've come to believe that the ENTIRE movie is a death dream, that is, the dream that Diane has after pulling the trigger yet still alive as she dreams toward death. Diane's identity is ambiguous (She is Betty, Rita, the homeless monster,..they are all aspects of herself)
ZIROLAND 2 weeks ago
@ZIROLAND I would not even try to explain it to him. He won't get it. He says he's a successful independent filmmaker with several projects under way, yet he still finds the time to bash Lynch on youtube using the vocabulary of a rude, retarded 10 year old.
DWaq32 2 weeks ago
@DWaq32 yeah, but this film is amazing. brilliant and underrated. it's a true masterpiece.
ZIROLAND 2 weeks ago
Thank you SO much for explaining to some or a great degree why so disjointed; didn't know it was a TV pilot originally!
After the first half (which I felt was slow but decent) I was p****d that it started getting to be like .... well it's a lot like the commenter below stated - like a dream. As a movie, it's an art piece - a pointed and poignant poem of a sort and/or an abstract painting of souls, dreams and mysteries. Basically, as an abstract painting? ... it's a very good film!
voicetube 2 weeks ago
This is the kind of movie you don't forget about. It made me think for days, if not weeks. There are plenty of beautiful scenes and memorable moments. Some people are haters. If you liked Mulholland Drive, check out Inland Empire. It's like MD on steroids.
golpher93 2 weeks ago
I didn't understand it, and I loved it. For me it was like a long dream. Like a dream, it made sense while I was asleep but not after I woke up. I think about it a lot.
gjfanatique 2 weeks ago
everyone who thinks this pile of shit is any good are mac users due to their media tutors telling them macs are better than a pc and that the epic failure lynch is a talented director, no wonder Hollywood wont touch him when 99% of his shit he calls films flop in the box office.
pccrybabyhater1 2 weeks ago
@pccrybabyhater1 maybe you should watch something that is not so complex for your poor little brain, something you don't have to think much about, something that is a big box-office hit since that seems to be your #1 requisite for what makes a good movie. maybe the next noisy hunk of shit Michael Bay comes up with is more up your alley.
DWaq32 2 weeks ago
@DWaq32 oh you mean transformers that had a budget of $150,000,000 and grossed $709,709,780 in the box office, lets see that idiot lynch do that. He cant as he doesnt make films people want to watch, now fuck off back to your crappy little media class with the rest of your retarded mac fanboy and fangirls were your told the films of lynch are good films LMFAO (and before you wonder, yes i am an independent film maker that has projects under way)
pccrybabyhater1 2 weeks ago
@pccrybabyhater1 wow, can't wait to see your projects, especially when you write like a retarded 10-year old. one thing: I have no idea what the fuck you are talking about. I have never had a mac in my life. and before you wonder, I majored in economics and just opened up a consulting business, so I don't give a fuck what you do. good luck (p.s. if i were a filmmaker, I would be encouraged to know there's such little competition.)
DWaq32 2 weeks ago
@DWaq32 well you woulnt watch my projects would you as you just watch crap like what lynch made, and i bet you loved that other crap called amile dont you thats about some retarded french girl, thanks but no thanks i think i shall watch films by the masters such as Ridley Scott, James Cameron, Lucas etc etc etc, ah so you have no clue about films and have not studied film but you try and tell me what a good film is LMFAO oh the irony
pccrybabyhater1 2 weeks ago
@DWaq32 All of this is subjective. Why are you so bitter. Why even comment, if it's not your cup of tea? No one can prove that one work of art is "better" than another, yet there are certain principles that in common concerning great art. Would any sane person believe that Billy Idol is a better composer than JS Bach, just because he made more money/more popular ? Personally, I think Mulholland Dr. is a masterpiece. Like all great works, it requires multiple viewings. It's complex.
ZIROLAND 2 weeks ago
@ZIROLAND Dude, why are you beefing with me? I like Mulholland Dr. I think your comment was meant for that asshole below who says he's an independent filmmaker and hates Lynch. According to him, if a movie makes money, it's a masterpiece. By that principle, he values Michael Bay more than Lynch and Transformers 2 is better than any Lynch film.
DWaq32 2 weeks ago
@DWaq32 sorry dude... my bad... it was meant for him cheers
ZIROLAND 2 weeks ago
@pccrybabyhater1 I can picture you doing stuff like Date and Disaster Movie.
DWaq32 2 weeks ago
@DWaq32 is that what your retarded mac loving retarded media tutor told you to say ? come on duck head explain why that crap called mulholland drive flopped in the box office
pccrybabyhater1 2 weeks ago
it's a simple and cruel story about a girl came to hollywood to realize her dreams but who ends up getting her lover killed for stealing her the first role in a movie. Uncapable to deal with what she's done she seeks escape in her dreams but realises the gravity of what she's done and, overwhelmed with guilt, finally kills herself. On of the greatest films about Hollywood's dark side along with Sunset Boulevard.
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@MrTripfontaines86 Dude, you'll see my comment above (just posted) where the description allowed me to see it as a (failed?) TV pilot turned into a movie... BUT, I will now add that, if one IS to make sense of it, your solution is the very best I have seen anywhere!
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@voicetube well thanks man, I'd like to have the brains to come up with such a good analysis but unfortunately I just read it from a french site 'cause this movie obsessed me like I can't tell u (even more than Lost Highway) and the detailed explanation I found on that site was really the most logical. I loved the movie the first time I saw it but the pleasure of discovering it's true meaning really takes it to yet another level. True masterpiece.
MrTripfontaines86 2 weeks ago
The solution I'm happiest with: the first act of the film occurs in the afterlife, immediately following her suicide at the end of the second act. In the first act, she has become everything she wasn't in real life. Added to this 'deathtrip' is dream-logic in which characters in her real life become narrative tools she subconsciously uses in her afterlife. The theory is expanded on more fully in fan sites, but it is the only one that can properly account for all aspects of this outstanding movie
kalifire 3 weeks ago
Many people seem to have come to a consensus about the basic plot. I don't know if that is because a single source has influenced so many or if that is just the general interpretation. I totally agree with Lynch on the subject of abstractions, still I like to be able to translate a part of it to really enjoy it. I also wanna I think Mulholland is one of the most genuinely scary movies I have ever seen.
pressove 3 weeks ago
Look up "doppleganger" on google and learn something you morons!
ordosincorporated 3 weeks ago
its avante garde not sesame street, its art its subjective interpretation is up to the viewer.
divineequineblog 4 weeks ago
this movie touches my soul everytime
AleMayaOM 1 month ago
what was up with the dead girl sleeping in that same room earlier in the movie?
burgerkingmurders 1 month ago
@burgerkingmurders She sees herself, it's her bad conscience that makes the girl on the bed (herself) look dead. It's because when they're looking for the girl with that particular name (her), it trickles those thoughts and dreams...
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Pabbles123 1 month ago
The guy in the theatre seemed to be to be an inner voice of hers, explaining that it is 'all an illusion'. Gotta watch it again, me thinks! :D
jo75tiger 1 month ago
@jo75tiger In twin peaks agent makes references to tibetain buddhism. Dream yoga is one of the arts of tibetain buddism. Two main important concepts are maya and brahma. Maya is often translated to as illusion. But in mathematics we have irrational numbers, rational numbers and IMAGINARY numbers. Real and imaginary numbers have to be understood in contrast to irrational and rational or real numbers. The substance of dreams is the same as maya, but maya's illusion is solid and "real" no?
ordosincorporated 3 weeks ago
most people get bothered by the movie even if they claim to love it although they have a hard time understanding it, and it all roots back to the fact that they make the mistake of being too analytical about it, you have to use both sides of the brain, and I would say in this case feeling before thinking for the movie is highly emotional
misantropicall 2 months ago
It funny how Lynch has made an masterpiece out what was a open ended script for a tv pilot.
secretmiggles 2 months ago
@secretmiggles Open ended? He finished all the episodes. They just never aired. Another running joke of his. There was so much repetition in the events of each of the characters, that not a lot was lost except the courtesy of seeing the show as it was intended to be shown.
ordosincorporated 3 weeks ago
Make what you want out of it, but expecting to brake it down into a simple storyline is like trying to explain somebody else's subconcious, and all the mysterious ways things are connected to each other (which even YOU wouldn't be able to explain if the dream was yours).
bloodySunday77 2 months ago
@bloodySunday77 Plot is the logical sequence of events in order, storyline is the obscuation of plot as told by the narrator. Notice I said narrator. Who "narrated" usual suspects? The main culprit. A book is written by a writer so generally its his narrative but it might not be so. As he concieves it to be experienced by a reader unaware of the trick involved in the presentation of material.
ordosincorporated 3 weeks ago
@ordosincorporated Thank you for a nice (although irrelevant) mini lecture on dictionary and drama. In your answer - which should be posted next month - try to address some actual arguments on presenting the movie into a reader's digest "Idiot's Guide to Mullholland Drive" version.
bloodySunday77 3 weeks ago
Funny how people try to break it down into a series of simple "it's pretty easy, let me spell it out for you" scenarios. And yet, there are ALWAYS parts missing from these explanations, or alternative ways to look at it. That's one of the beauties of the movie: it is what it is.
bloodySunday77 2 months ago
@bloodySunday77 Lynch has clearly said that the theorys are interesting but wrong. Its really troubling to see how stupid people really are. First of all, lynch's screenplays are generally computer generated. There is a big clue there. A story told with "phone numbers". This black book, telling a story with numbers. Like how the yijing is also a story of real events. There is a lot of occult concepts in his works well outside the understanding of the lay.
ordosincorporated 3 weeks ago
remember when she opened the box, in the next scene appeared her ant, but its supposed to be dead. Wired, no?
This movie blow my mind
hastadecirpalabra 2 months ago
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SultanNify 2 months ago
This is simply the greatest movie ever made.
atmaweapon42 3 months ago 2
Just look at the first shot of the film. Explains everything.
chrisjdgrady 3 months ago 3
@chrisjdgrady Damn right! That one shot of the pillow pretty much explains everything once you notice it!
DistantJ 2 months ago
@chrisjdgrady Actually the reverse audio is the real major clue and its not visual. Listen to the opening shot with headphones on real loud. If her aunt is dead how on earth can she call her on the phone? And what left the feces? Looks like kangaroo poop to me. Not dog.
ordosincorporated 3 weeks ago
jack's got a secret - he turns into a rabbit and goes through movie-portals...
JustSomePerson888 3 months ago
@ishpirate, Well, that's what I wanted to say. Diane = Betty but in two dimensions (dream and reality) and Camilla = Rita. :) Thanks anyway! ^^
Nemanjanika 3 months ago
I DON"T GET IT!! AAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGHHH
MY HEADDD IS FULLL OF FUUUUUUCCCKKK!!!!!
TaffyRaphie 3 months ago
@TaffyRaphie LOL!! May be the best comment here!! Certainly my favorite. ... And again, LOL!!!
voicetube 2 weeks ago
Brrr...Well done.
1michelemichele1 4 months ago
and the most strange of all,the old woman with the little people...is this supposed to be a nightmare?the dan guy at the beginning with the psychiatrist guy (i suppose he is something like that) and also the reckless assassin who i find to be totally unrelated to the rest of the movie...i was on the edge of my seat until the end but then i was somewhat disappointed...i didn't expect everything to be explained but at least something...good movie overall though...
amagginas 4 months ago
@amagginas all of it's explained....watch it again....
kmccary 4 months ago
@kmccary i've already watched it twice...i may be misiing something...i'll watch it again but i don't hope for much...
amagginas 4 months ago
@amagginas Ok let me pull people out of the tunnel of their own rectums. You know that in theaters films are on multiple reels right? Well there is a cue mark in the upper right hand corner that the projectionist looks for to switch reels. You've seen it numerous times, but perhaps only subconsciously. How do you think directors edit reams and reams of film with such ease? They embed their own cue marks so to speak. The movie after all is about a director isnt it?
ordosincorporated 3 weeks ago
guys,there is no explanation for almost everything in the film...supposing someone understands the whole dream thing (which also is not that obvious...how the hell is someone supposed to understand the biggest part of the movie is diane's dream?),there is no explanation to the whole thing with the cowboy or the female protagonist of adam's movie in the dream...it's mixed up with reality in some ppoints...
amagginas 4 months ago
@ishpirate But who is Betty and who is Rita? Are they persons that Diane is dreaming about how it could be. I mean Betty = Diane, and Rita = Camilla, but in 2 different ways of life: Diane's dream and her now reality.
Nemanjanika 4 months ago
@Nemanjanika Look at it this way. In dreamland, Diane wants to be someone else (betty) and she wants Camilla to be someone else (Rita). The whole movie is Diane (Bettys) dream. Its kind of like if you see a glimps of something in reality but its stuck in your subconcious..but when you sleep it plays a major role. Kind of like when Diane saw the cowboy at the party...he was just part of the background...but he was a major role in dreamworld. Wactch the movie in reverse, it'll make more sense.
ishpirate 3 months ago
good, disturbing, and the guy behind the dumpster was scary.
maalaea 4 months ago
@ishpirate Pretentious much, you pompous ass? Stop the presses, some jerk off on youtube figured out the plot to a film that isint meant to be fully deciphered. None of Lynch's films can be explained in a single paragraph, and even respected film historians can't come to a consensus on the meaning. So what you're saying is that where everyone else has failed to explain everything that happens in the film, you've done the impossible. Christ, you're fucking self righteous retard.
AtreyusSorrow 4 months ago
@AtreyusSorrow Anger management issues much? I guess in your world nobody should ever advance an opinion without clearing it with you first, lest they be "pretentious," a word you clearly don't understand in the first place. The gist of the film CAN be explained in a short paragraph, and a short paragraph is all YouTube allows room for. What the hell is there to get mad about?
xerxestireirondada 4 months ago
goooooooooood job Rob !!! thanks a lot...my favorite movie my favorite film music by a mile
christian5791 4 months ago
tho i wonder if the producers/show pickers at ABC were like we fuck'd up,or fired after the rave reviews of MD as a feature film in deciding to piss all over Lynchs script..
1WhoMee1 5 months ago
I got mad at this movie
RedTailedTuna 5 months ago
His movies, which I love, are always more fun to watch in a packed theater where you get the crowd's reactions to the many humorous absurdities, but also get overwhelmed by the emotions and music...it's like a waking dream
tangoseven70 5 months ago 2
What about Lynch i8s just fuckin everyone and there isn't a rational story at all....just a bunch of patches to a pilot the networks rejected....
rleewallace 5 months ago
Jacob from Lost is in this :-D
1ASMA3 5 months ago
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that part was soo creepy. it feels like a nightmare
stickybelvedere 5 months ago
nobody but allen and lynch can make look womens "special" or more pretty than they are(and they are without any help, really beatiful girls..)
Frankielandia 5 months ago
I can do nothing but laugh at the pretentious people who think they "understand" this film and have this sense of superiority because of it. For some reason people want to dissect and have an explanation for EVERYTHING, it's silly. I view this film in the same way I would view an abstract painting. Of course you can sit there and scrutinize every little detail to find the "meaning" behind it but you can also just stand back and enjoy the pure beauty of it. I personally choose the latter.
thelatestttplague 6 months ago 2
No one really knows what David Lynch’s movie is about, but that doesn’t stop me from being intrigued by the completely weird ending to Mulholland Dr., the movie that put Naomi Watts on the map. There’s something about Pandora’s box, about two leading women being the same person, Watts masturbating and making out with herself, etc.
MrDjay619 6 months ago
The key to lynch movies is the key to life, it means nothing. You sit there and try to figure it out, you make up meanings for things that have no meaning, then get a confused feeling wheather what you made up about what it means is right or not. The funny thing is you will never truely know if you got it.
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still didn't get it
ficastefixe 6 months ago
So Camilla humiliated Diane? She never loved her?
arenaskiez 7 months ago
Who put the blue box in betty's bag?...these points are lost if its looked at as a split dream/reality..i think its all one piece either all reality or all dream. and Lynch presents his images very literally. i think it might have something to do with the Black Dahlia murder or somehow the Wonderland murders but i'm not sure.
sirbenofboing 7 months ago
I reckon Lynch is showing that a scene can be played in many different ways...the way the outcome of a court case can be judged differently depending on how you look at the evidence...my theory is its to do with some murder that took place in the past where it was covered up or subject to corruption by the mafia.. the Ryan boardroom is the jury room..adam is the key witness. the dead girl on the bed is actually a dead girl on the bed not betty/diane...who is she?
sirbenofboing 7 months ago
Adam is like the key witness required to say this is the girl when looking at the five people behind the glass. like from an ID lineup..he is leant on by the mob...if you join up all the times when there is something a little strange in the dialogue and also recurrences of things like behind glass..long eye contact, luggage being loaded..its what you see on the screen not what any deep meaning is I reckon..the Silencio club is the court room..everything you hear is on tape...
sirbenofboing 7 months ago
@sirbenofboing Due to limitations of todays technology we have not evolved yet to represent a computer generated reality to an observer as such. Nor are we able to revive dead people as computer simulations. But we will some day.
ordosincorporated 3 weeks ago
my best guess so far is that its a semioticists wet-dream...Lynch says two clues before the credits..they are the jitterbug contest...1940's (1947?) ...and the electric flashes on the sign...someone has been executed by electrocution and thats a hearse..notice how slowly its going...notice Adam's door shuts like a jail door..coco mentions Kangaroo and court in the same sentence..The cowboy is the prosecutor/jailer/executioner...hence the light flashing on like like when the switch is pulled.
sirbenofboing 7 months ago
yeah, the blonde is a low life, who didn't make it as an actress; in her dreams ( the movie) she was a fantastic actress. I think that's why the gist of the movie is.
8verycalm4 7 months ago
wasnt all a dream?!
8verycalm4 7 months ago
That was a great video! Thank you very much!
CousinDP 8 months ago
Jacob
woohoo5790 8 months ago
The movie isnt that complex. Diane came from Canada with an ego after winning a jitterbug contest in hopes of being a movie star. Camilla Rhodes and her became friends and fuck buddies. However Diane fell in love. Camilla got Dianes dream and Camilla used Diane. Dianes dreams were destroyed so she put a hit out on her and killed her. Diane became depressed, fell asleep for a while and dreamed up how she wished things could've been. Herself as Betty, a talented actress and camilla as the hurt one
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@ishpirate very good ishpirate
guilynch 8 months ago
@guilynch And as for all the other 'strange' characters... The Man Behind Winkies smbolizes the ugly side of hollywood... the near site of it will destory your dreams. The Old Couple symbolize Dianes failed success and the haunt her in the end. The Blue Box (although it isnt a character) represents the gateway between Dream and Reality...blue being the color of depression...entering a beautiful dream toa depressing reality. The Midget/Stigliani Bros./Mob represents Dianes need to destroy Adam.
ishpirate 8 months ago 3
@ishpirate I thought the old couple represented her conscience....building her up when she thought she deserved praise then bringing her down when reality set it...maybe i'm way of base lol.
elrushbo1004 8 months ago
@elrushbo1004 Well the interpretation can be taken anyway really...but to me, they represent The Hollywood Golden Years...Happiness, sort of angelic...people she confides in and will help her. And when reality kicks in, they turn into her demons who want to destory her. But the conscience idea is a nice approach and ive never looked at it that way. As for the cowboy... he kind of represents reality and common sense. The only one in Dianes dream who knows whats going on.
ishpirate 8 months ago
@ishpirate Yes that is the story we see on screen (kind of). There's more under the surface, however. Multi layered
dropkick23 6 months ago
@dropkick23 I just wish it would've been a television show... id like to see the directions it took.
ishpirate 6 months ago
@ishpirate i disagree hard.as a mini series it prolly would have been dull,and odd made no sense at all, you have towatch it/ take it in all in one swoop...to get mind fucked and understand what you think has happened/is happening.
1WhoMee1 5 months ago
@ishpirate I agree; I think that the film is shot from Diane's perspective and point of view, as she revises her past and becomes the sweet young ingenue with bags of talent and a once-in-a-lifetime love. The truth is far seedier and depressing, but I don't think that's the real truth either. Every aspect of the film is skewed because of Diane's depression. It's one of my all time favourites.
embojitsu 4 months ago
@ishpirate Truth. I think people just aren't used to using their god damn heads to figure things out anymore. Everything s fucking spelled out for them!
purelydelusional 3 months ago
@ishpirate if you replace "fell asleep" with "spread her brains out on the bedsheets and dreams that whole thing up while she is dying" I'm with you
FredoMadison 2 months ago
@ishpirate Ok so what's up with the lady posing as a homeless man behind the diner, and the blue box? What's up with all that?
somotastic21 2 months ago
@somotastic21 it's not suppose to be a man...its a woman playing a man. The lady in the radiator (Eraserhead) is voiced by a man. Thats just lynch weirdness. Lynch is like algebra...he doesn't make sense but one just excepts it. I personally feel the homeless man represents the 'ugly' truth and reality.
ishpirate 2 months ago
@ishpirate No I know it's a woman playing a man, I was just saying what's up with the guy (who's really a woman) behind the diner. Lol I like the algebra reference. Yeah it is weirdness
somotastic21 2 months ago
@ishpirate "Lynch is like algebra...he doesn't make sense but one just excepts it."
Algebra, that is purified logic, is to be accepted on authority?
Come on...
seansalvador1 2 months ago
@ishpirate I understand that this so far is the best explanation that we have and this was the conclusion that I first came to, but you have to accept that it still does not explain everything. For example, if we take the blue box as a projection of the blue key that the hitman leaves, it does not explain why the man behind winkies is seen with it after Diane kills herself.
MrAlfred1995 1 month ago
@MrAlfred1995 He laughed when she asked him if the key was a sign that the job was done. Then she switches apartments but the key ended up on the table still. Bumbling hitman was never so talented at killing anyone except with the classic murder to look like an automobile accident. Almost as classic as a murder designed to look like a suicide that the CIA was known for. Anyone have any pat answers for these revelations?
ordosincorporated 3 weeks ago
@ishpirate The movie isn't complex because you read an explanation somewhere on the internet
1986BJK 1 month ago 18
@1986BJK it is not that hard to figure out what happened in the movie when you watch it a second time. just because that is the way that you figured out the plot doesn't mean it can not be done by just watching
frozenstrawbs 1 month ago
maybe i ve the cure of it
inhalte 8 months ago
I'm not smart enough to get this movie, but I like the two broads.
leafyutube 8 months ago 3
Thanks for putting this together. Awesome.
iTubeYourDadsMinge 9 months ago
The movie's meanings are so often examined and discussed and pondered. Lynch certainly created a puzzle box here. But I don't care much for theories about what the movie means; I care more that it touches me profoundly, that it makes me scared, it thrills me, it excites me, it makes me laugh, it haunts me, it mesmerizes me. It's not often that a film is this entertaining and strange and unique. (And half the fun is that wondrous musical score-- wow.) For me, this is Lynch's zenith, his gem. ♥
quizzlefits 10 months ago 11
@quizzlefits I agree... suggestions... is simply the key word...oh how ironical coffee can be.
Contextcatcher 8 months ago
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For the material they were given the actors and actresses did a fantastic job as well as the entire production crew - but the script is worse than looking at David Lynch's liver spotted balls for two hours. I hate this film so god damn much.
Tanker940 10 months ago
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Tanker940 10 months ago
ABC basically "chewed up and spit out" Lynch when they rejected the final version of his original "Mullholland Drive" pilot in 1999 {after forcing him to water down his vision of what HE wanted it to be}. This is why he's never produced anything for television since then...
fromthesidelines 10 months ago
People really tend to over analyze this great film. The fact is it's simply a character portrait of the terribly sad life of a young woman that Hollywood chewed up and spit out.
DefiniteMC 10 months ago 4
It's very simple. It's the tragic story of the loss of innocence and the suicide of a young woman who couldn't cope with a cruel world.
rogkeista 11 months ago
I heard of this movie a long time ago but never got the chance to see it..... I saw it 3 times and my god.... this movie is the work of genius! I don't often comment on a movie, but this is the fuckiest fuckiest best movie I've ever seen!!! I'm like while watching this movie and asking.. what the fuck just happend? then ahh.. I see, but then.. huh? where did that come from? and then what has this scene got to do with the story, then ahh.... I got it.. it fits, but then .. it don't fit...
loaduponc 11 months ago 40
@loaduponc yeah, u dont fit dipshit
chessinfantry 10 months ago
@loaduponc Thats one of the cool things about Lynch movies is that it CAN be up to you what some things mean. Often we have things going on in our lives or have had experiences that resonate with scenes in movies and THAT is what makes works of art emotional for us. Having said that, this is what i really love about david lynchs work..i feel like his style of keeping things open ended allows for the viewer to become attached to the work, in their own way.
blastingcaps 5 months ago
@loaduponc illuminati..
maalaea 4 months ago
Most people take this movie way too literally or try to cram it into some logical constraint, but it's meant to be an illogical but intense EXPERIENCE. Not just a simple linear story, but an attempt to recreate the sensation of a reality, our reality, that is influenced by, infused with, overwhelmed by fantasy, dreams and delusions. We live a half dream always but some people are more consumed. Like actors, and artists, and politicians, and lunatics.
KingKook 11 months ago
I thought Mullholland was easily Lynch's weakest film. I didn't care for the contrivance of a story calling upon itself, almost like a pretzel. The idea of identity and character are interesting and mysterious, but the shape of the story felt forced, to me, compared to Lost Highway, where changing identity is so organically explored. David reworked his TV pilot footage into a feature film and I sensed and felt this, without prior knowledge, when I first saw it. Inland Empire so succeeds at this.
KingKook 11 months ago
amazing movie! i guess would be it a great tv series
CryptaDigitalFX 11 months ago
I believe that David Lynch had said his idea for Mulholland Drive began with the idea to make a Twin Peaks spinoff starring Audrey Horne
DAVIDVINCENTDURING 1 year ago
It's all imagination and drempt while Betty lies alone suicidal and overdosing in her bed. The ideal Betty is the protagonist or Betty as she had hoped to be when she left home to escape repressed sexual abuse which was common but unspoken knowledge amongst her family. Her Aunt Ruth is the blue haired woman and is reminding the viewer that silence can be the greatest betrayal or sin sometimes. Betty was just failed actress who developed a lethal drug habit and waitressed at Winky's.
mustasche 1 year ago
Can someone please explain this movie too me?
tastedgeno69 1 year ago
@tastedgeno6well ill take a stab at it. As far as David Lynch films go this was pretty straightfoward in comparison to his other movies. The majority of the movie is the dream of Diane Selwyn and how she wanted her life to be. Betty ( her alter ego) was confident, strong, and somewhat naive, but did things the right way. Rita (Camilla) was weak and needing, completely reliant upon Betty, which is how Diane wanted Camilla to be.
manchu2007 1 year ago
@tastedgeno69 The mystery of the movie with the casting of the actress and the misfortune of the director (Adam Kesher) , along with the conspiracy aspects are Diane's excuses as to why Diane never made it as an actress. The final 30 minutes put everything in perspective, to include how Diane became Betty in her dream (the waitress in the diner was named Betty) her plans to have Camilla killed and subsequent break down was laid out pretty clearly in the film.
manchu2007 1 year ago
@manchu2007 exactly the film is actually not that complicated, all the answers are right there given to you at the end. Its sometimes too jarring to pick up on the first time you see it, but watch it again knowing the first 2 hours are a dream, and then the last 30 min is flashing events that explain the origins of the dream from Dianne's reality. The exception is the final moments which establish that Dianne's nightmare refuses to leave her and finally consumes her.
grapes9h5 11 months ago
@tastedgeno69 . The mystery of the movie with the casting of the actress and the misfortune of the director (Adam Kesher) , along with the conspiracy aspects are Diane's excuses as to why Diane never made it as an actress. The final 30 minutes put everything in perspective, to include how Diane became Betty in her dream (the waitress in the diner was named Betty) her plans to have Camilla killed and subsequent break down was laid out pretty clearly in the film.
manchu2007 1 year ago
@manchu2007 Kudos to Naomi Watts for an oscar worthy performance
manchu2007 1 year ago
@tastedgeno69 imdb has the most compelling explanation/timeline
grahammj 1 year ago
@Vendrell the blue haired lady at the end was her grandmother who kept silent about the sexual abuse that she knew was going on!
I highly doubt that - it all made sense to you though:)
MIssMariahable 1 year ago
It took me two or three viewings to really get it but it's pretty easy to peace together now and makes perfect sense. Part of the fun of the movie was not knowing what was going on and then slowly figuring it out. I know some people think that the blue box was like a portal to an alternate world but the dream scenario makes more sense.
The only thing I didn't get was who the blue haired woman at the club was?
Vendrell 1 year ago
I think the key to understanding this movie is to understand that it isn't supposed 'make sense' in any logical or rational way. Roger Ebert perhaps had the best explanation of it. In many films a sequence of disconnected events is portrayed only to lead to a conclusion that 'it was all a dream' and in the final act reality sets in and explains whatever came before it. In "Mulholland Drive" the entire story is dream---THE WHOLE THING-- from start to finish. It is one long surreal nightmare.
JackKangaroo1 1 year ago
@JackKangaroo1 pienso exactamente lo mismo. I think kinda the same way.. i mean, at the end it does not make any sense.. but if u tray to "understain", ok, ill give that explanation, a dream, and plus this this dream* seems to be endless, look the end, look the start of the movie..
Frankielandia 5 months ago
is the scene over the sheets her spirit hovering over her dead body? does she come back as a dead person (or never leave?) and struggle with what she has done? then, figure it out, have her flashbacks, and die?
SAPauditor 1 year ago
@SAPauditor I think that the scene of her hovering over the sheets is her falling asleep and escaping the nightmare of her reality.
manchu2007 1 year ago
Suggestion: this is a beautiful dream composition of 'Mulholland Drive's lock of love'. A real organic movie key is somewhere else highly recommended: a taste of Hollywood life is always found nearby coffee.
Contextcatcher 1 year ago
There is always a hidden story within the movies of david lynch, also with stanley kubrick. Or should I say symbolism that tells a story symbolically.
electronicmedium 1 year ago
@electronicmedium i agree and I think this can also serve as a warning about Hollywood in general. To never lose sight of ur goals or dreams. If you do you can end up like Diane.
manchu2007 1 year ago
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the best movie ever made
macFETI 1 year ago 6
maybe i'm just an idiot...can you spell it out for me?
iBox2020 1 year ago
@iBox2020 No and nobody really can. As said in a lot of 'explanations' this movie is open for interpretation. A lot of scenes that rise questions and eventually a lot don't get answered. And that seems to be the brilliancy of this movie.
Heh. I disagree. I think it's lame. The lesbian scenes were ok though.
Ronoez 1 year ago
@Ronoez
I agree with you. People seem to think that because it's so open-ended, the movie is great. If that were the case, I could shoot a bunch of scenes that have nothing to do with eachother a call it a movie. The brilliance of being open to interpretation is legitimate evidence of multiple explanations (Donnie Darko, Shutter Island). But this is just random scenarios thrown together. I could say the box just switched people into other people's shoes. Or it was a dream. I just didn't get it.
Surya112 1 year ago
@Surya112 maybe this movie is something for you to visit again later. i think of it in terms of subconscious thought and surrealism when i watch. By the very definition, something that is open to interpretation will appear disjointed, random. There are arguably alot more going on in this than the other films you have mentioned. I would have to re-watch but id say either of those films only has 2-3 core themes. i'd say this has many more, mainly as it's delves into human nature.
soulecho1 11 months ago 6
@Surya112 I accidentally thumbed up your comment, please minus one.
I disagree. This movie isn't random sequences sewn together. his movie is carefully layered one on top of another with each of them has deliberate line taking place. I'm not saying I get this movie completely, but the elements in this work represent a variety of themes. This movie does have "legitimate evidence of multiple explanations", esp. when you are watching this piece-by-piece. That's the sheer brilliance of this film.
davidmjeong926 11 months ago 2
@Surya112
The first 2/3's of the movie is a dream, or an invention, or a fantasy, or whatever you want to call it created by Naomi Watts' real character Dianne Selwyn. She has the fantasy or dream after she realizes that the hitman she hired has gone through with killing her ex-lover whom she is greatly obsessed with. It is not random scenarios, it is the story of a depressed holywood hopeful who deals with the guilt of killing someone she loved dearly.
DonCabber 10 months ago 2
@DonCabber ok finally someone who actually comments on the plot and a theory about what it all means
without doing what you just did all this movie is is a group of disjointed scenes. so I salute you now I will have to analyze your theory
bobbollu 8 months ago
@DonCabber
That still doesn't explain the box, key, and homeless guy.
Surya112 3 weeks ago
@Surya112 Most of the people were at one time alive. Most, not all. They all however, ended up in the same place. Dead. In a matter of speaking. No longer able to be free to do what they want. That is the reason for the backstory of the different characters. They all ended up in the same place and experienced the exact same thing in the exact same way at some point. The seat at the diner, club silencio, and so on. Its not random.
ordosincorporated 3 weeks ago
@iBox2020 imdb has the most compelling explanation/timeline
grahammj 1 year ago