Most protestants don't hate Catholics for what they are, they hate them for what they "Think" they are. 99% of protestant arguments against Catholicism have already been shot down many centuries ago you kind of late to the party.
The truth is very self evident on this issue. Just look at #2 of the 10 commandments:
“You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; you shall not bow down to them nor serve them."
It says very specifically NO CARVED IMAGES. It says you shall NOT bow down to them! It doesn't make exclusions for Marry or Saints. It says NONE. Any counter argument is of the devil.
@HumbleWillis Then why did the ark of the covenant have cherbim on it? Those are things that are in heaven. You want to go farther? Ok then I guess you can't take a picture of your mom because that is an image too. You completely misinterpret those commandments. Catholics do not worship the saints or Mary, we venerate them. That is totally different than worship, for worship is due to God alone. Please cure yourself of your ignorance.
@Somespatanwarrior The hebrews didn't bow to the arc, worship it, or pray to it. Catholics DO bow to idols of Marry, pray to her, and worship her. We don't bow to, pray to, or worship our mother's photos. Catholics DO bow to idols of the saints, pray to them, and worship them. When your veneration sounds and looks exactly like worship ... it's worship. When you choose to pray a saint or Marry rather than saying a prayer to God, it's idolatry. It is EXACTLY what it looks like.
@HumbleWillis I am Catholic sir. I do not pray to Mary I ask her to pray to God for me. Just like you would ask your mother to pray for you when you are having a hard time. You completely miss the point of saints. We ask them to pray for us. I would like for you to show me when Catholics bow down to a statue of Mary. I guess your referring to kneelers in front of a statue well that's simple we are kneeling before God not Mary. Now here is my challenge to you, go to a Catholic mass. See it as is.
@Somespatanwarrior My mother lives 20 minutes north of here. I can drive to her house ask her, or I can send her an email, or I can call her on the phone ... none of which require me to bow my head and speak to an entity that is not a living soul. And as far as kneeling before God, not Marry ... but there just so happens to be an idol of Marry in front of you .l... that makes no sense what so ever.
u will go to hell for reading a bible?! LOLLL that's some stuff right ther! there is no proof that will happen.. hmm. .didn't know God told us that we were only to read the King James 1611 version! I really need to get educated! lol
P.S. Catholics don't believe in multiple Gods. When we pray to the Saints and Angels and to Mary its called a prayer of intercession. Think if a loved one fell ill you would ask others to pray with you on their behalf correct? That's what a we do when we pray to the Mary and all the Saints and angels. We ask them to pray with us on our or someone Else's behalf. Who better to pray with and for you than someone you know is in Heaven and before God and better yet to Mary whom he never denied.
Oh, my! I just couldn't stop laughing! Whoever made this is one of the most uneducated people ever! "This is America. Speak American" "Do not use any other Bible than the King James Version 1611. All others were created by Satan." Does this person not know that the King James 1611 was not the original bible. I read the Latin Vulgate in Latin which predates that one by i don't know 1230 years and translated by St. Jerome. I think I'll stick with my 4th century bible. Much closer to the original.
If salvation is by grace alone, then it cannot matter whether one is Catholic or Protestant or what religion or lack of it one has. And it can't matter what version of the Bible one uses. If salvation is by grace alone, then God won't be hindered whether one is Catholic, Muslim, atheist or from Brer Billy-Bob's Church of the Personal Automatic Sock-Puppet Jeebus(TM). The woman's argument is stricter than some Catholic positions. With her, one must do the good work of having the "right" Bible
"Do not use any Bible other than the King James 1611 version. All other versions are created by Satan and you will go to hell for reading them." Umm, does that include the version used by translators to actually write the 1611 version?
Superb satire, GingerDemarque. It's brilliant!!! I actually know ignorant Protestants who believe Catholics worship Mary and the saints. You've done a great job in highlighting how ignorant and uneducated some Protestants can be. Thanks : )
@johnhili I got good news for you! The Catholic church compiled the bible in 382AD-under Pope Damasus. The ONLY bible in use for 1150 years until your hero Martin Luther remover our 7 + Catholic doctrinal books and changed "traditions" to "teachings"
Look up the Latin Vulgate under ANY university encyclopedia -its in black & white
The Columbia Encyclopedia, 6th ed. | 2008 | Copyright
Vulgate [Lat. Vulgata editio =common edition], most ancient extant version of the whole Christian Bible . Its name derives from a 13th-century reference to it as the "editio vulgata." The official Latin version of the Roman Catholic Church, it was prepared c.AD 383-AD 405 by St. Jerome (c.342-420) at the request of Pope St. Damasus I , his patron. The Vulgate was intended to replace the Old Latin version (the "Itala" ),
@truthfulreply Bible compiled under Pope Damasus ---Roman Catholic Church-see other reply for detail-I use reliable sources-found in all the encyclopedias. Our 7 Catholic Doctrinal books were removed by the Protestant hero-Martin Luther-in the 16th century OUR BIBLE WAS THE ONLY ONE USED FOR 1150+ years & accepted by ALL Christians. THE ONLY CHRISTIAN CHURCH IN EXISTANCE UNTIL PROTESTANTS BEGAN IN 1551AD. -so tell me -are they in hell?!?!? As there was ONLY CATHOLICS UP TO THAT TIME!
@johnhili Catholicism is easily understood through the teaching of our church. Its a shame for those so opposed-stating harsh,cruel falacies against it-while its plain truths-are under one's nose. Read a history book & thru encyclopedias,read a couple letters out of hundreds that were written by the Early Church Fathers.Find out what church is the ONLY one that can traces its roots back almost 2000 yrs-VISIBLY.
Look @ a Christian time line. Will you still deny the truth as they did in Calvary?
@truthfulreply The truth is self evident on this issue. Look at #2 of the 10 commandments:
“You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; you shall not bow down to them nor serve them."
It says very specifically NO CARVED IMAGES. It says you shall NOT bow down to them! It doesn't make exclusions for Marry or Saints. It says NONE. Any counter argument is of the devil.
That Baptist Bible-belter needs to get laid, ASAP, instead of puking up bits of the Bible in that mindless way. If she cared anything for the person she is lecturing/accusing, she would treat her like a human being, & not like a Scalp For Jeebus.
@MrProCatholic Oh-Ive heard some good ones lately-they think we[Catholics] are unbiblical. I bet not a single one of them[Sola Scriptura] churches don't realize where the bible came from-but they put their heart & soul into it & bash the church that compiled it! It was compiled under Pope damasus-I'll leave the details for them to look up.Oh,the best part is-they don't realize their Protestant hero Martin Luther removed 7 Catholic doctrinal books from it. A bit ludicrous on their part.
"this is america, speak american", yea honey, way to go. Thanks for playing the role of the stereotypically uneducated christian, americans do not speak american, they speak english. I guess u must be against immigrants, if a person wants to speak spanish or any other language, there is not bible verse against that. Why don't you practice what you preach, and stop acting like the pharisees.
@teresa41842 So God would use fear tactics to convert people to being a Baptist? Catholicism sounds better if we go by that logic. Unless your comment was sarcastic.....
God bless you "Ginger Demarque" for uploding this video boldly,even when heretic catholics guided by the spirit of antichrist continue their name callings,downplayings and sheer arrogance that deny reality.
every day lakhs of catholics leave their heretic sect to join true christianity aka non feminist protestantism.Catholicism is diminishing and will become extinct in the soon coming WW3.
One of the biggest christian faiths are catholics and every day thousands convert to the catholic faith and this video is a stupid propaganda film in your faith all you have is stupid propaganda in the catholic faith we have proof.
O and don't even get me going about the logical and theological falicies inherent in core Baptist and Evangelical doctrines!!! "And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house."
Believe is an action verb. Kinda like work. -snap-
This is either the most hilarious satire... or the most heinous uneducated, (seriously sad) bigotry...im not sure. However, Anti-Carholic bigotry has always been a favorite American pastime.
Im a Pentecostal, but I was pleasently surprised at how much Bible the Catholic Church uses to defend its beliefs, when I stoped to investigate and become better educated. Also. when all else fails they DO have history. Don't diss it unless you've tried it!
Um no im not a Catholic im a Christian whom God has delivered from the pit of anti-biblical, unpreductive histerionics. Remember that is your Mama who you are talking about - the catholic church. Are you like 12 just wondering?
@SeaGreenMagnolia Oh you are funny-but true Mary is the mother of our church and wants & leads us all to her son. She doesn't want worship for herself -only for her son. Look @ the apparitions that came true [Lady of Fatima]
@GingerDemarque ahh, the pride of one of the once save always saved over-confident crowd. Reads something like the proud Pharisees who thought their righteousness would save them.
@GingerDemarque If you are going to preach against the Catholic Church, first find out what it really teaches, than you will not look like an ignorant fool. If you don't misrepresent my faith in the defense of your own, I will not misrepresent the faith and teachings of your church. I have to say, attacking a Pentecostal as a "Romanist" because they point out your uneducated accusations instead of agreeing with your tirade takes the cake.
@tcorris bowing down before images/statues of saints & praying to someone other than triune God is idolatry.Your defence is in reality mute & echoes from past centuries the foolish acts of catholicism that burned Galileo,jan hus,massacred millions who tried to warn them as i did.Terrible,terrible will be the judgment that will come upon those who support heretic catholic sect.I have no selfish intrest,but to bring to your attention the reality of God & his word.visit worldharvest.blogspot.com
@UnfoldingEternity Thank you for your concern for my soul. My position was that if you are going to argue against Catholicism, first understand that which you are condemning rather than condemning distorted caricatures of our faith. If Catholicism is false, then for the first 1400 years after Christ, ALL were heretics, which would mean all souls that lived over those 1400 years were condemned to hell. That would mean that hell had prevailed, which would mean Matt 16:18 was not true.
@tcorris your assumption is false and is proved wrong by both history & bible.Roman Catholicism is a corrupted form of true christianity born in 4th century AD.At that time Roman state tried to consolidate it's weakening power by creating a new religon to please both pagans & christians.For this they changed names of roman pagan idols,festivals etc. to christian names & continued to use these idols in prayer/worship in christian names which came to be known as intercession/veneration of saints.
@UnfoldingEternity So you are saying that the the supposed heresy of the Catholic Church was the only Gospel available to the people until Luther's revolt. If this is true, than the proclamation in the Bible that the gates of Hell would not prevail against His Church is false. Either both the Catholic Church is the whore of Babylon and Matt 16:18 was false or neither of those statements is true. They are necessarily tied together. So what other false statements are in the Bible?
@UnfoldingEternity As for the intercession of the saints. The Church is the Church of the living. The bodies die, but the soul is eternal. We naturally pray for one another when we fall on hard time or run into difficulty. It is natural and Biblical to see that since we in the Church Militant (those fighting the evils of this life) can pray for one another, members of the Church Triumphant (souls in heaven) can as well. The whole Bible (including Catholics sounding parts), not bits and pieces.
@UnfoldingEternity The commandment that you mark as the second is a subset of the commandment against the worshiping other gods. Idols were held as gods to the pagans. We split what you have as the 10th commandment. Drooling over your neighbors new car is different than drooling over his wife. The car you can work for and get one yourself (you don't have to steal his to get one.) There is only one of his wife. To get her, you must steal her. Ask your neighbor, their different.
@tcorris Also you can feel confident that you will not offend if you ask to try out a tool you really like or can get a ride in a car that you might never be able to afford. His wife, off limits. No borrowing. This is why the Catholic Church (along with some protestant churches) number the Ten Commandments the way we do. There is no numbering or table of contents for these Commandments. We number the definable rules.
If you find a Bible with these numbered out as ten verses, let me know.
@GingerDemarque I'm Roman Catholic too! I don't claim to be cute :D!! Nor do we worship idols. Read the Apostles Creed-that is what we confess-hardly iodol worship-how sadly you misunderstand our faith.
@GingerDemarque There is not a single text in almost 2000 years, inc the new Catechism of the Catholic Church, where the Catholic Church, her popes, her bishops, her official teachings, her saints, her acknowledged ecclesiastical authors, deny the Word-made-flesh or the Blessed Trinity. Instead, all Christianity owes the preservation of these Truths to the Catholic Church, whose great Councils formulated them & whose saints & popes have defended them to this day, often at the cost of martyrdom
@GingerDemarque So-we confess Christ ,his incarnation.life,death & resurrection-CALL US WHAT EVER-@ least we have the peace,love & joy in our Lord & Savior.
Does the peace,love & joy of Christ shine through you? Oh-I'm not judging @ all -
@GingerDemarque Idol worshiper? How much you need to learn. There is not doubt we Catholics bow before Mary. but so did the Angel Gabriel when he approached Mary and said "Hail Mary full of Grace the Lord is with thee." (Luke 1:28)
@speedy779 It is one thing to praise someone for being virtuous, and it is another thing entirely to pray to them as though they were God with the authority to answer prayers. The scriptures don't say that the angel bowed or prayed to her ... just that he praised her virtues.
@speedy779 This is very simple: Do you bow to graven images of Mary and/or Saints? If so, that's a direct violation of Commandment #2. Do you address Mary and/or Saints directly in your prayers and ask them for anything? If so, you are praying to idols which is a direct violation of commandment #2. That's it.
When the Lord was with the Hebrews as they fled Egypt he appeared as smoke and fire so that they would not have a form to make him into an idol. He didn't even want an idol of HIMSELF!
@HumbleWillis If you consider a Cow to be an Idol of God I think you misunderstood the Bible.
Would it be wrong of me to bow before the Queen of of England? The Israelite s bowed before David when he was king of Israel so why can't we bow before the Queen of Heaven and Earth.
@GingerDemarque Idol worshiper? How much you need to learn. There is not doubt we Catholics bow before Mary. but so did the Angel Gabriel when he approached Mary and said "Hail Mary full of Grace the Lord is with thee." (Luke 1:28)
@SeaGreenMagnolia Your words prove you were never a pentecostal.You are a foolish lying catholic who claim to be christian while breaking the commandments of god and blaspheming Jesus Christ by doing idolatry in his name by the practice of intercession/veneration of saints..Repent and come back to original God's church aka non feminist protestantism as crores of fellow catholics have already done.God bless you to see the truth.
@UnfoldingEternity I do sincerely appreciate your closing sentiment. It has made me think quite a bit more of you. This video and its insuing conversation has saddened me to no end... the hate, narrowmindednesss, and scriptural fallacies -FROM BOTH SIDES-. Despite what you may think, I come from an extremely conservative pentacostal background. Actually I was taught that both Catholics, Baptists (all non-conservative-pentacostals) would burn for an eternity in hell...
@SeaGreenMagnolia ... However, I have recently ammended these thoughts. And I think if you, as I did, steped back, with an open heart and mind, inquiring "What thus saith the Word of the Lord", you might find yourself doing the same =). I appreciate your clear zeal and desire to be Christ-like. P.S. I am not Catholic, I have my own problems with certain Catholic philosophies and doctrines (but I strongly respect my Catholic friends, some of the most wonderful Christians, and the faith itself)
@SeaGreenMagnolia Freind,it's about something called idolatry and sexual immorality.Most of my freinds are catholics or muslims.But i donot fear to say the fact that bowing before images/statues and seeking intercession of creature rather than the creator is idolatry ,which you seem to forget while running to please the catholics.By sexual immorality i mean all evangelical/protestant churches which have embraced feminist lie and allows female pastors & homosexuality.(acts 15:29)
@UnfoldingEternity I take it your comments on Feminism is in regards to the fact that certain Pentecostal Denominations ordain female ministers? The Pentecostal Group which I was apart of was quite dead set against such practices.
@SeaGreenMagnolia However, iterestingly, I recently read a defense of female ministers written by a male baptist pastor... Now I dont necessarily agree with his interpretations, but one must be careful to distinguis between the theoretical construct of "feminism" and clerical practices which in certain instances predated that construct.
@UnfoldingEternity I admire your ability to do what many can not, and develop meaningful relationships with people, inspite of quite different beliefs... I think Christians, Catholics, and Muslims have a lot of common ground, particularly in the arena of morality, which is often overlooked.
@SeaGreenMagnolia thanks for that,but reality is that religion causes limitation in our freindships in ways that people often fail to see in the first look.That is exactly why many will today support a move to destroy religions from the face of earth even if it means real estate profit & power expansion for few(gog-sino russian political elite).This move will mark the begining of 3rd iconoclastic movement which will restore the true religion(non feminist protestantism)all over the earth
You are a foolish lying catholic who claim to be christian while breaking the commandments of god and blaspheming Jesus Christ by doing idolatry in his name by the practice of intercession/veneration of saints.
Repent and come back to original God's church aka non feminist protestantism as crores of fellow catholics have already done.
@UnfoldingEternity Im Roman Catholic & I'm staying that way-we have droves of biblical scholars,theologians And Protestant ministers converting-the Roman Catholic Church. It correlates all its roots visibly,historically,through hundreds of letters from the Early Church fathers, archologically to our scriptures. Christ didn't drag his feet til Martin Luther-1st protestant-to start his church. That is illogical,
@SeaGreenMagnolia you said "when all else fails,they(caths) do have history".What a stupid statement to make.Cathlic heretic sect branded christians as heretics(gnostics,dualistic pagans etc.) and massacred them.So now those who study history sees them as heretics since satanic catholicism has twisted history to mislead people to eternal hell fire.Let those who have "ears" hear what God says.Terrible is the judgment that is coming on catholics since they blasphemed God & "drank blood of saints".
@SeaGreenMagnolia You are right-the Anti-Catholics like to waste their time bashing the RCC-rather than worshipping in mass as Christ taught us. Their efforts are fruitless
"You are saved by grace and grace only. Anyone who tells you differently is going to hell." That'll be St James you're talking about then.
James 2:24 "You see that a man is justified by works and not by faith alone." Matt 7:19 "Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire."
It is not Catholic doctrine to adore blessed Mary any more than a man adores his own mother, or to worship statues or blessed Mary as gods. This video doesn't speak the truth in love.
@GingerDemarque This isn't the word of God, it's a cartoon full of the lies. We are not "saved by grace and grace only".
We are saved by (on God's part) Christ's grace, through (on our part) faith and works done in charity inspired by the Holy Spirit. That's why it's hard for the wealthy to enter the kingdom of God. "If you would be perfect, go, sell what you possess and give to the poor." Galatians 5:6 talks about "faith working through love". God doesn't force us to choose love and faith.
@GingerDemarque I'm just LOVING how you are SO judgmental of everyone...are you kidding me? Are you God? Who gave you divine authority? Your condemnation of people is being expectant on God's doing...unless you're God or his vicar, you have no place in doing so. and seriously, people like you need to brush up on your history and check out this concept called logic!
@MrProCatholic I must add to your reply-people need to go back almost 2000 years to find the true church Christ didn't wait until 460 yrs ago for the FIRST Protestors[ants]to come along to start his church.
'To Delve Deep into History is Ceasing to be Protestant"
@x8Charlotte8x I'm Catholic and I know the truths that our faith teaches-let them bash the church-it doesn't bother me -actually it is what compelled me to do extensive research to see if they were lying-and guess what? I am now a knowledgeable,devoted Catholic who is in peace,love & joy for christ thru his Roman Catholic Church. So to all the Catholic bashers-keep up your fruitless efforts-Catholics are becoming more faithful to the ONE HOLY CATHOLIC & APOSTLIC CHURCH-the ONE TRUE CHURCH !
You may claim they were in union with the pope, but the papacy was not firmly established nor claiming absolute authority as the head of the Church [even though the head is Christ, obviously] during the very early centuries of Christianity. Furthermore, the archbishoprics [including Rome] were of equal authority, not the pope being over them. And if anyone's a boy, its you.
you're right martlut, errors do die hard; specially the gradual adding-onto of scriptural truths that ultimately distorts and manipulates what was the truth because of the erroneous and unnecessary traditions. Even Christ admonished the religious leaders of His day for "holding to the traditions of men" rather than the Word of God that is Scripture.
@martlut What was added on? Simple: the brown scapular [nowhere in Scripture nor is it mandated]. Encouraging the practice of asking for prayer from individuals or souls of individuals not currently on the earth [i.e. Mary and all other saints]. Bowing down before statues of saints or other figures [such a practice is specifically condemned in Exodus]. Requiring of prayers to someone outside of God as a penance for sins [i.e. the Hail Mary]. Where are those backed up in Scripture?
@martlut Also, where does it say we should pay the church institution/hierarchy special money along with saying some prayer to help fund building of new motherchurch buildings [i.e. selling indulgences for money with saying a prayer to build structures like St. Peter's Basilica in Rome]? Where is it in Scripture that it must be dictated that our sins can only properly be forgiven through a middleman [i.e. priest] instead of praying to God Himself and repenting accordingly alone?
.John 20:23 - Jesus says, "If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven. If you retain the sins of any, they are retained." In order for the apostles to exercise this gift of forgiving sins, the penitents must orally confess their sins to them because the apostles are not mind readers. The text makes this very clear.
their are over 30 verses seems your not to fluent in the Bible as well
@martlut No I'm pretty fluent in Scripture actually. But that doesn't answer my question. Where does it say you MUST do this as the ONLY and proper way to be forgiven of sins and given the ability to repent of further sins? Is it not transformation in Christ and a change or heart? I'm not saying its a bad idea or wrong to confess sins to one another, but where is it made absolutely required to be forgiven of sins, period?
@rjky1986 actually your not fluent in scripture at all tell me what did Christ say about celibacy what did Paul say what does it say about it in Revelations
@martlut Not Apostolic traditions. Those can be found in Scripture as the Apostles or people who knew them were the ones who wrote the books of the New Testament. I'm referring to the specifics surrounding the taking and permitting to the Sacrament of Holy Communion, praying of rosaries that do not necessarily strengthen or help one in their salvation, plenary indulgences, the brown scapular, bowing before Mary statues, kissing the pope's rings, holy water usage, clerical celibacy, and so forth.
@rjky1986 "To answer for the body and blood" of someone meant to be guilty of a crime as serious as homicide. How could eating mere bread and wine "unworthily" be so serious? Paul’s comment makes sense only if the bread and wine became the real body and blood of Christ
@martlut Oh, I know it still becomes the body and blood, but you can still tell its bread and wine at the same time. Hence the "divine mystery" aspect. But I'm not referring to heinous things such as murder. What about someone who is of true Christian faith, and believes it is Christ present within the elements, but because of a divorce they got because of abuse or adultery against them, or because they are not fully "confirmed", they are not allowed to partake? Why?
@rjky1986 Divorce is sin as Christ said ,as Paul said you cant receive the Eucharist when your in Sin you can be a christian and be in sin Whoever, therefore, eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord(AC) in an unworthy manner will be guilty concerning the body and blood of the Lord.
@martlut Hmm, even if you've repented of said sin and vowed not to get married and divorced again? I thought all sin was forgiveable except blasphemy against the Holy Spirit?
@rjky1986 If you didn't re- marry It would be OK. If you were remarried it would go against what Christ said and could not be repented of you cant confess a sin and go on committing the sin at the same time.
@rjky1986 Paul wrote to the Corinthians: "The cup of blessing which we bless, is it not a participation in the blood of Christ? The bread which we break, is it not a participation in the body of Christ?"
@rjky1986 2Now I commend you(B) because you remember me in everything and(C) maintain the traditions(D) even as I delivered them to you. as well as The holy Kiss Prayer Scapular which isnt required of any catholic Holy water in the Bible Celibacy which Christ and Paul recommends for every Priest and will be rewarded By Christ and so forth
@martlut Perhaps they are not required, but are still encouraged and were added on later, though supposedly the Roman Catholic church which has supposedly always existed from day one claims to have all of this oral tradition passed on uncorrupted through the centuries that gradually led to the development of various disciplines, doctrines and practices such as the scapular, various Marian devotions, belief in Mary's immaculate conception,etc. And celibacy was only added in the 11th Century.
@martlut No, Trinity is proven throughout the Bible by context within the New Testament by mentions of three personas of a father, a son and holy spirit or holy ghost. God is a three-in-one.
@martlut No we should not boot him out. Paul was referring to the oral traditions passed down through the few decades since Christ's ministry had begun and his teachings were taught to His apostles and others. He didn't mean traditions as in the practice of certain disciplines, devotions, specific repetitious prayers and the veneration of Mary and the papacy [I'm not referring to clergy period, but the papacy], but to the teachings of Christ Himself and what the Apostles learned from Him.
@rjky1986 Well what were the Traditions he was speaking of their Bright one Gal. 1:14 - Paul says that he was zealous for the tradition of his "fathers."
@martlut Bright one; cute. Anyways. the traditions would be all of what became written down in what became the Gospels that Christ taught to the Apostles and to the masses including those at the Sermon on the Mount directly. Notice Paul said not only traditions received by HIM by mouth but also by letter.
@rjky1986 sorry what were those traditions that were written down again didn't see go to church on Sunday Trinity Easter etc boy you contradicted yourself again he said by mouth didn't he where were those written down again..
@martlut No contradiction. He said traditions that they had received from HIM [Paul] personally and directly, or the other Apostles personally that they had learned directly from Christ and not handed down by third, fourth, sixth and seventh hand accounts, or later for those that would be handed down centuries later that had not been written down. He was speaking in the specific context of those people at the time [i.e. Gentiles] with what he learned first hand from Christ and the Apostles.
@martlut Paul also said according to 2 Timothy 3:16 that "All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness," including any necessary-to-salvation or Christ-instituted traditions passed down orally before ultimately being written down into what is now the New Testament.
@rjky1986 2 Timothy 3:16-17 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, 17 so that the servant of God[a] may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.
@martlut yes, good work used to glorify God, show fruits of your faith, and make evidence of your faith, but not necessarily to help you in your salvation. So what's your point?
@rjky1986 yes, good work used to glorify God, show fruits of your faith, yup you cant have Faith without works they are inseparable no works no faith. No faith alone in fact faith is a work
@martlut Granted, I agree your faith must be made evident by your works and change in how you live your life. We can most certainly agree on that. That is scriptural.
@rjky1986 I agree your faith must be made evident by your works and change in how you live your life. We can most certainly agree on that. That is scriptural. quite right and that's what the Catholic church teaches not faith alone however
@martlut Yes, but I never said faith alone and no works. Its faith that saves you, but maintained and made evident by your good works and making efforts to repent of your sins.
Believe all you want but committ wrongdoings & not following our Lords teachings-you're pushing your luck .Even the demons believe of Christ-& they shudder-as they chose to deny him. You need both-they go hand in hand.
@rjky1986 hear that there are divisions among you. And I believe it in part,[d] 19for(T) there must be factions among you in order(U) that those who are genuine among you may be recognized. 20When you come together, it is not the Lord’s supper that you eat.
@martlut Doesn't count. You Roman Catholics love to use that unity in the Catholic church/disunity and division in Protestantism argument but I know better. I have been part of the Roman Catholic church before, and I can tell you that among the laity there are considerable differences politically, on gender issues, on civil rights, on salvation, on what is a sin and is not, and not even all of the clergy believe or profess the same things identically in robotic fashion. So not convinced.
@rjky1986 doesn't make a difference their is But one Catholic Teaching one Big Family with many opinions on various things which is fine .But one solid concrete Biblical Teaching as opposed to the Proties where each church teaches something different sorry apparently you don't know the argument its no argument but fact . Then you go on to say contradicting your self profess the same things identically in robotic fashion seems your very confused.
@martlut Doesn't matter, lad. Those questions are irrelevant, and don't matter in light of you still can't prove to me WHY the papacy and all the practices and rituals of the Roman Catholic church are needed for salvation and being a real Christian. Therefore, whether or not they could be proved in your favour or not, the corruption, abuses, and adding-ons from the Middle Ages onwards that do not affect one's salvation and Christian status still doesn't prove anything.
@rjky1986 why yes they are very much relevant if they aren't then trow out your bible. what add on's from the Middle ages . I guess your churches have no abuses well you beat the Catholic church 3-1 in pedophilia case. shall I continue with your abuses the sins of individuals dont apply to the church sorry another dumb stament on your part but I guess you are all sinless wonders in you church,
@martlut No, nobody is sinless [though apparently Mary was an exception....], but I didn't know that individuals who make up the church don't count as the church. Hmmmm.... So it is an institution then you are saying? And before you claim I make dumb STATEMENTS, you should learn how to spell what this "stament" is of which you are referring to. Yeah.
@rjky1986 Paul cited Psalm 14. What was the context? Paul tells us in Rom: 5:19 that some, but not all, were made sinners. Do you agree with Paul? Or have YOU abandoned his apostolic teaching?
@martlut Heh heh; nice try. I read the "Death through Adam, Live through Christ" portion in context, and you just posted inaccurately a verse out of context. If you read verses 15 through 21, you will see the man who brought death [human sinfulness] into the world was Adam, and the "one man" being referred to is Jesus Christ, who of course we already knew was sinless. Are you sure you haven't YOU haven't abandoned apostolic teaching?
@martlut Actually, the people of whom you refer to as "fundies" typically condemn me to Hell for not being "conservative" enough for them. And as if certain Roman Catholics cannot become fundamentalistic in how rigid they are about Roman Catholic theology, doctrine and practice? yes, they can.
Anywho, the "one man" being referred to, read in plain text, was Jesus Christ, not some other mere human.
@martlut Furthermore, you say the "sins of individuals don[']t apply to the church sorry", but irregardless the sins of history that people of the Roman Catholic church have committed en masse are still remembered [Crusades murders, Huguenot persecution, inquisition abuses {though less than what some claim}, gender-based oppression, Indian boarding school abuses], and still tarnish the reputation of said church. So no of course they don't apply do they?........
@martlut and finally, if the people do not make up the [Roman Catholic] church, then how come during the Masses at one point or another the priest officiating will say "will the church please rise" and the people in attendance will rise at that point? So do people make up the Church and potentially have an effect on its reputation, or is it an institution that people just go to and serve? Which is it?
@rjky1986 Which is it people do make up the but their sins are personal and do not transfer to the Church or their teaching . You reasoning is buffoonish you can take it to the next step in your flawed reasoning and blame it on God. So when a Protie pastor says please rise So do people make up the Church and potentially have an effect on its reputation, or is it an institution that people just go to and serve? Which is it?
@martlut yes, of course we do. And your spelling of "Protie" is buffoonish, actually. Once again, its "proddy". The Romish and Protestant church bodies are composed of people, and therefore their sins as a whole instead of trying to amend their lives can of course affect the reputation of their respective church organizations.
@rjky1986 I guess the Catholic church isn't compiled of people very silly of you may effect the reputation but reputation is clownish and of men and Bigots its what is taught is what matters cant leave Jesus because of Judas sorry another bu8foonish statement.
@rjky1986 I suppose the catholic church isn't compiled of people with free will as opposed to you proties who cant think for yourselves I wonder who the robots are according to your statement. Where in the scripture is this nonsensical verse their sins are a whole I guess the whole protie church will be judged by the whole instead of the Individual boy you just cant make this crap up. where do you find that gem in scripture
@rjky1986 17But in the following instructions I do not commend you, because when you come together it is not for the better but for the worse. 18For, in the first place, when you come together as a church
@rjky1986 well firstly off history proves the Catholic church is the universal church through Documentation.Also can Prove a direct papacy Line to Peter which you don't accept. Not my fault you don't accept truth they were documented even in the KJV bible. The word Roam wasn't even used until King Henry and the reformers gave it to the Church in the 1500's It was always the catholic church. The eastern Orthodox schism didn't happen until the 11th century
@martlut That, and since even IF the Roman Catholic church as we've known it today or even 1000 years ago did actually compile the Bible or not, that church still became corrupt in its practices, its unnecessary rituals and disciplines, and its abuses [including indulgence selling, the Crusade invasions, the slaughtering of countless thousands to million of Cathars, Hussites, French Huguenots, English & Dutch Protestants, and Mesoamerican Natives still far outnumbering all Protestant actions.
@rjky1986 as for selling Indulgens it never has sold indulgences and condemns and excommunicates anyone who does sorry another protie myth. As for the crusades It was a defensive war against the Muslims who at the time of the start of the crusades was initiated by guess who the eastern Orthodox they were on the verge of being exterminated by the Muslims and asked the Pope who reluctantly agreed to help them,
@martlut Sure, a "defensive" war which took the OFFENSIVE and treaded all throughout coastal Muslim-controlled territory and in the process not only defied the more practical and less-aggressive and non-incriminating aspect of staying in one area or near borders in Turkey or southern Europe, but instead launching full-scale incursions into the Middle East and taking Jerusalem temporarily, and killing countless hundreds of thousands of Jews, Muslims, and even other Eastern Catholic Christians.
Most protestants don't hate Catholics for what they are, they hate them for what they "Think" they are. 99% of protestant arguments against Catholicism have already been shot down many centuries ago you kind of late to the party.
Somespatanwarrior 1 week ago
The truth is very self evident on this issue. Just look at #2 of the 10 commandments:
“You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; you shall not bow down to them nor serve them."
It says very specifically NO CARVED IMAGES. It says you shall NOT bow down to them! It doesn't make exclusions for Marry or Saints. It says NONE. Any counter argument is of the devil.
HumbleWillis 1 week ago
@HumbleWillis Then why did the ark of the covenant have cherbim on it? Those are things that are in heaven. You want to go farther? Ok then I guess you can't take a picture of your mom because that is an image too. You completely misinterpret those commandments. Catholics do not worship the saints or Mary, we venerate them. That is totally different than worship, for worship is due to God alone. Please cure yourself of your ignorance.
Somespatanwarrior 1 week ago
@Somespatanwarrior The hebrews didn't bow to the arc, worship it, or pray to it. Catholics DO bow to idols of Marry, pray to her, and worship her. We don't bow to, pray to, or worship our mother's photos. Catholics DO bow to idols of the saints, pray to them, and worship them. When your veneration sounds and looks exactly like worship ... it's worship. When you choose to pray a saint or Marry rather than saying a prayer to God, it's idolatry. It is EXACTLY what it looks like.
HumbleWillis 1 week ago
@HumbleWillis I am Catholic sir. I do not pray to Mary I ask her to pray to God for me. Just like you would ask your mother to pray for you when you are having a hard time. You completely miss the point of saints. We ask them to pray for us. I would like for you to show me when Catholics bow down to a statue of Mary. I guess your referring to kneelers in front of a statue well that's simple we are kneeling before God not Mary. Now here is my challenge to you, go to a Catholic mass. See it as is.
Somespatanwarrior 6 days ago
@Somespatanwarrior My mother lives 20 minutes north of here. I can drive to her house ask her, or I can send her an email, or I can call her on the phone ... none of which require me to bow my head and speak to an entity that is not a living soul. And as far as kneeling before God, not Marry ... but there just so happens to be an idol of Marry in front of you .l... that makes no sense what so ever.
HumbleWillis 6 days ago
u will go to hell for reading a bible?! LOLLL that's some stuff right ther! there is no proof that will happen.. hmm. .didn't know God told us that we were only to read the King James 1611 version! I really need to get educated! lol
1986TruthSeeker 2 weeks ago
The only person this protestant CAN convert is that robot she made. XD!
JD27076 1 month ago
I am proud to be Catholic until I die. The original universal church of Christ.
romaitalia29 1 month ago
@romaitalia29 Me too!!
truthfulreply 3 weeks ago
P.S. Catholics don't believe in multiple Gods. When we pray to the Saints and Angels and to Mary its called a prayer of intercession. Think if a loved one fell ill you would ask others to pray with you on their behalf correct? That's what a we do when we pray to the Mary and all the Saints and angels. We ask them to pray with us on our or someone Else's behalf. Who better to pray with and for you than someone you know is in Heaven and before God and better yet to Mary whom he never denied.
JohnDoe4612 1 month ago
@JohnDoe4612 Thank you. :)
JD27076 1 month ago
@JohnDoe4612 Absolutely!
truthfulreply 3 weeks ago
Oh, my! I just couldn't stop laughing! Whoever made this is one of the most uneducated people ever! "This is America. Speak American" "Do not use any other Bible than the King James Version 1611. All others were created by Satan." Does this person not know that the King James 1611 was not the original bible. I read the Latin Vulgate in Latin which predates that one by i don't know 1230 years and translated by St. Jerome. I think I'll stick with my 4th century bible. Much closer to the original.
JohnDoe4612 1 month ago
@JohnDoe4612 Well said! Interesting that Americans speak English from England ha ha
romaitalia29 1 month ago
If salvation is by grace alone, then it cannot matter whether one is Catholic or Protestant or what religion or lack of it one has. And it can't matter what version of the Bible one uses. If salvation is by grace alone, then God won't be hindered whether one is Catholic, Muslim, atheist or from Brer Billy-Bob's Church of the Personal Automatic Sock-Puppet Jeebus(TM). The woman's argument is stricter than some Catholic positions. With her, one must do the good work of having the "right" Bible
5355vbxjbj76rvn 1 month ago
Wow, we do not pray to the saints, we ask them to pray for us in heaven. -__-
CadutoDalleNuvole 1 month ago
@CadutoDalleNuvole Anti-Catholics don't seem to understand because they refuse to find our truths on their own.
truthfulreply 3 weeks ago
no man has a right to judge another
pantherace1000 1 month ago
"Do not use any Bible other than the King James 1611 version. All other versions are created by Satan and you will go to hell for reading them." Umm, does that include the version used by translators to actually write the 1611 version?
Superb satire, GingerDemarque. It's brilliant!!! I actually know ignorant Protestants who believe Catholics worship Mary and the saints. You've done a great job in highlighting how ignorant and uneducated some Protestants can be. Thanks : )
johnhili 1 month ago 4
@johnhili I got good news for you! The Catholic church compiled the bible in 382AD-under Pope Damasus. The ONLY bible in use for 1150 years until your hero Martin Luther remover our 7 + Catholic doctrinal books and changed "traditions" to "teachings"
Look up the Latin Vulgate under ANY university encyclopedia -its in black & white
truthfulreply 3 weeks ago
@truthfulreply Haha mate, chill out a little. Couldn't you tell the sarcasm in my post? I'm Catholic too.
johnhili 3 weeks ago
@johnhil
The Columbia Encyclopedia, 6th ed. | 2008 | Copyright
Vulgate [Lat. Vulgata editio =common edition], most ancient extant version of the whole Christian Bible . Its name derives from a 13th-century reference to it as the "editio vulgata." The official Latin version of the Roman Catholic Church, it was prepared c.AD 383-AD 405 by St. Jerome (c.342-420) at the request of Pope St. Damasus I , his patron. The Vulgate was intended to replace the Old Latin version (the "Itala" ),
truthfulreply 3 weeks ago
@truthfulreply Bible compiled under Pope Damasus ---Roman Catholic Church-see other reply for detail-I use reliable sources-found in all the encyclopedias. Our 7 Catholic Doctrinal books were removed by the Protestant hero-Martin Luther-in the 16th century OUR BIBLE WAS THE ONLY ONE USED FOR 1150+ years & accepted by ALL Christians. THE ONLY CHRISTIAN CHURCH IN EXISTANCE UNTIL PROTESTANTS BEGAN IN 1551AD. -so tell me -are they in hell?!?!? As there was ONLY CATHOLICS UP TO THAT TIME!
truthfulreply 3 weeks ago
@johnhili Catholicism is easily understood through the teaching of our church. Its a shame for those so opposed-stating harsh,cruel falacies against it-while its plain truths-are under one's nose. Read a history book & thru encyclopedias,read a couple letters out of hundreds that were written by the Early Church Fathers.Find out what church is the ONLY one that can traces its roots back almost 2000 yrs-VISIBLY.
Look @ a Christian time line. Will you still deny the truth as they did in Calvary?
truthfulreply 3 weeks ago
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@truthfulreply The truth is self evident on this issue. Look at #2 of the 10 commandments:
“You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; you shall not bow down to them nor serve them."
It says very specifically NO CARVED IMAGES. It says you shall NOT bow down to them! It doesn't make exclusions for Marry or Saints. It says NONE. Any counter argument is of the devil.
HumbleWillis 1 week ago
@johnhili I didn't know you were kidding-sorry.
truthfulreply 3 weeks ago
@johnhili Best comment so far. ;)
JD27076 1 week ago
I seriously hope that not all Protestants are this ignorant...
MrProCatholic 1 month ago 5
@MrProCatholic What, pray tell, is ignorant about God's Word?
GingerDemarque 1 month ago
That Baptist Bible-belter needs to get laid, ASAP, instead of puking up bits of the Bible in that mindless way. If she cared anything for the person she is lecturing/accusing, she would treat her like a human being, & not like a Scalp For Jeebus.
5355vbxjbj76rvn 1 month ago
@MrProCatholic we aren't
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@MrProCatholic Oh-Ive heard some good ones lately-they think we[Catholics] are unbiblical. I bet not a single one of them[Sola Scriptura] churches don't realize where the bible came from-but they put their heart & soul into it & bash the church that compiled it! It was compiled under Pope damasus-I'll leave the details for them to look up.Oh,the best part is-they don't realize their Protestant hero Martin Luther removed 7 Catholic doctrinal books from it. A bit ludicrous on their part.
truthfulreply 3 weeks ago
"this is america, speak american", yea honey, way to go. Thanks for playing the role of the stereotypically uneducated christian, americans do not speak american, they speak english. I guess u must be against immigrants, if a person wants to speak spanish or any other language, there is not bible verse against that. Why don't you practice what you preach, and stop acting like the pharisees.
OneIsrael77 1 month ago
@teresa41842 So God would use fear tactics to convert people to being a Baptist? Catholicism sounds better if we go by that logic. Unless your comment was sarcastic.....
LeontheSmithy 1 month ago
100 percent misrepresentation
tmmy773 2 months ago 2
"I am praying to Mary, my god and saints my other gods." That is NOT Roman Catholicism.
HomeSkillet489 3 months ago
I didn't understand your KJV ,does the whole video a joke or was it a point that you really believe
UnfoldingEternity 3 months ago
God bless you "Ginger Demarque" for uploding this video boldly,even when heretic catholics guided by the spirit of antichrist continue their name callings,downplayings and sheer arrogance that deny reality.
ChooseEternalLife 3 months ago
every day lakhs of catholics leave their heretic sect to join true christianity aka non feminist protestantism.Catholicism is diminishing and will become extinct in the soon coming WW3.
ChooseEternalLife 3 months ago
One of the biggest christian faiths are catholics and every day thousands convert to the catholic faith and this video is a stupid propaganda film in your faith all you have is stupid propaganda in the catholic faith we have proof.
birdclip188 3 months ago
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birdclip188 3 months ago
O and don't even get me going about the logical and theological falicies inherent in core Baptist and Evangelical doctrines!!! "And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house."
Believe is an action verb. Kinda like work. -snap-
SeaGreenMagnolia 4 months ago
This is either the most hilarious satire... or the most heinous uneducated, (seriously sad) bigotry...im not sure. However, Anti-Carholic bigotry has always been a favorite American pastime.
Im a Pentecostal, but I was pleasently surprised at how much Bible the Catholic Church uses to defend its beliefs, when I stoped to investigate and become better educated. Also. when all else fails they DO have history. Don't diss it unless you've tried it!
SeaGreenMagnolia 4 months ago
@SeaGreenMagnolia
Another Romanist Idol Worshiper posing as one of God's elect. How cute. NOT!
GingerDemarque 4 months ago
@GingerDemarque
Um no im not a Catholic im a Christian whom God has delivered from the pit of anti-biblical, unpreductive histerionics. Remember that is your Mama who you are talking about - the catholic church. Are you like 12 just wondering?
SeaGreenMagnolia 4 months ago
@SeaGreenMagnolia Oh you are funny-but true Mary is the mother of our church and wants & leads us all to her son. She doesn't want worship for herself -only for her son. Look @ the apparitions that came true [Lady of Fatima]
truthfulreply 3 weeks ago
@GingerDemarque ahh, the pride of one of the once save always saved over-confident crowd. Reads something like the proud Pharisees who thought their righteousness would save them.
tcorris 4 months ago
@GingerDemarque If you are going to preach against the Catholic Church, first find out what it really teaches, than you will not look like an ignorant fool. If you don't misrepresent my faith in the defense of your own, I will not misrepresent the faith and teachings of your church. I have to say, attacking a Pentecostal as a "Romanist" because they point out your uneducated accusations instead of agreeing with your tirade takes the cake.
tcorris 3 months ago
@tcorris bowing down before images/statues of saints & praying to someone other than triune God is idolatry.Your defence is in reality mute & echoes from past centuries the foolish acts of catholicism that burned Galileo,jan hus,massacred millions who tried to warn them as i did.Terrible,terrible will be the judgment that will come upon those who support heretic catholic sect.I have no selfish intrest,but to bring to your attention the reality of God & his word.visit worldharvest.blogspot.com
UnfoldingEternity 3 months ago
@UnfoldingEternity Thank you for your concern for my soul. My position was that if you are going to argue against Catholicism, first understand that which you are condemning rather than condemning distorted caricatures of our faith. If Catholicism is false, then for the first 1400 years after Christ, ALL were heretics, which would mean all souls that lived over those 1400 years were condemned to hell. That would mean that hell had prevailed, which would mean Matt 16:18 was not true.
tcorris 3 months ago
@tcorris your assumption is false and is proved wrong by both history & bible.Roman Catholicism is a corrupted form of true christianity born in 4th century AD.At that time Roman state tried to consolidate it's weakening power by creating a new religon to please both pagans & christians.For this they changed names of roman pagan idols,festivals etc. to christian names & continued to use these idols in prayer/worship in christian names which came to be known as intercession/veneration of saints.
UnfoldingEternity 3 months ago
@UnfoldingEternity So you are saying that the the supposed heresy of the Catholic Church was the only Gospel available to the people until Luther's revolt. If this is true, than the proclamation in the Bible that the gates of Hell would not prevail against His Church is false. Either both the Catholic Church is the whore of Babylon and Matt 16:18 was false or neither of those statements is true. They are necessarily tied together. So what other false statements are in the Bible?
tcorris 3 months ago
@UnfoldingEternity As for the intercession of the saints. The Church is the Church of the living. The bodies die, but the soul is eternal. We naturally pray for one another when we fall on hard time or run into difficulty. It is natural and Biblical to see that since we in the Church Militant (those fighting the evils of this life) can pray for one another, members of the Church Triumphant (souls in heaven) can as well. The whole Bible (including Catholics sounding parts), not bits and pieces.
tcorris 3 months ago
@UnfoldingEternity The commandment that you mark as the second is a subset of the commandment against the worshiping other gods. Idols were held as gods to the pagans. We split what you have as the 10th commandment. Drooling over your neighbors new car is different than drooling over his wife. The car you can work for and get one yourself (you don't have to steal his to get one.) There is only one of his wife. To get her, you must steal her. Ask your neighbor, their different.
tcorris 3 months ago
@tcorris Also you can feel confident that you will not offend if you ask to try out a tool you really like or can get a ride in a car that you might never be able to afford. His wife, off limits. No borrowing. This is why the Catholic Church (along with some protestant churches) number the Ten Commandments the way we do. There is no numbering or table of contents for these Commandments. We number the definable rules.
If you find a Bible with these numbered out as ten verses, let me know.
tcorris 3 months ago
@GingerDemarque I'm Roman Catholic too! I don't claim to be cute :D!! Nor do we worship idols. Read the Apostles Creed-that is what we confess-hardly iodol worship-how sadly you misunderstand our faith.
truthfulreply 3 weeks ago
@GingerDemarque If you think Catholics are idol worshippers-then you deny our faith thus denying Christ.
truthfulreply 3 weeks ago
@GingerDemarque There is not a single text in almost 2000 years, inc the new Catechism of the Catholic Church, where the Catholic Church, her popes, her bishops, her official teachings, her saints, her acknowledged ecclesiastical authors, deny the Word-made-flesh or the Blessed Trinity. Instead, all Christianity owes the preservation of these Truths to the Catholic Church, whose great Councils formulated them & whose saints & popes have defended them to this day, often at the cost of martyrdom
truthfulreply 3 weeks ago
@GingerDemarque So-we confess Christ ,his incarnation.life,death & resurrection-CALL US WHAT EVER-@ least we have the peace,love & joy in our Lord & Savior.
Does the peace,love & joy of Christ shine through you? Oh-I'm not judging @ all -
I'll just say a prayer for you.
truthfulreply 3 weeks ago
@GingerDemarque Idol worshiper? How much you need to learn. There is not doubt we Catholics bow before Mary. but so did the Angel Gabriel when he approached Mary and said "Hail Mary full of Grace the Lord is with thee." (Luke 1:28)
So why not bow before Mary? God's Angels did it.
Are you saying you are better than God's Angels?
speedy779 3 weeks ago
@speedy779 It is one thing to praise someone for being virtuous, and it is another thing entirely to pray to them as though they were God with the authority to answer prayers. The scriptures don't say that the angel bowed or prayed to her ... just that he praised her virtues.
HumbleWillis 1 week ago
@HumbleWillis Answering Our Prayers? Well I hope they do because because we ask them to pray for us Like a child ask's his mom to pray for him.
He did praise his virtues. Which is what we do. The Hail Mary pray came from the bible.
speedy779 1 week ago
@speedy779 This is very simple: Do you bow to graven images of Mary and/or Saints? If so, that's a direct violation of Commandment #2. Do you address Mary and/or Saints directly in your prayers and ask them for anything? If so, you are praying to idols which is a direct violation of commandment #2. That's it.
When the Lord was with the Hebrews as they fled Egypt he appeared as smoke and fire so that they would not have a form to make him into an idol. He didn't even want an idol of HIMSELF!
HumbleWillis 1 week ago
@HumbleWillis If you consider a Cow to be an Idol of God I think you misunderstood the Bible.
Would it be wrong of me to bow before the Queen of of England? The Israelite s bowed before David when he was king of Israel so why can't we bow before the Queen of Heaven and Earth.
speedy779 1 week ago
@speedy779 The cow was a false god, a graven image. See Rule #2. Is the queen of England a graven image? Was David a graven image?
And FYI ... the queen of heaven and earth thing is RCC doctrine, not biblical.
HumbleWillis 1 week ago
@HumbleWillis So wait it was an Idol of God now it's a false God? Is Mary a graven Image?
The RCC is of Apostolic Tradition. Which is both Biblical and Oral.
speedy779 1 week ago
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@GingerDemarque Idol worshiper? How much you need to learn. There is not doubt we Catholics bow before Mary. but so did the Angel Gabriel when he approached Mary and said "Hail Mary full of Grace the Lord is with thee." (Luke 1:28)
So why not bow before Mary? God's Angels did it.
Are you saying you are better than God's Angels?
speedy779 3 weeks ago
@SeaGreenMagnolia Your words prove you were never a pentecostal.You are a foolish lying catholic who claim to be christian while breaking the commandments of god and blaspheming Jesus Christ by doing idolatry in his name by the practice of intercession/veneration of saints..Repent and come back to original God's church aka non feminist protestantism as crores of fellow catholics have already done.God bless you to see the truth.
UnfoldingEternity 3 months ago
@UnfoldingEternity I do sincerely appreciate your closing sentiment. It has made me think quite a bit more of you. This video and its insuing conversation has saddened me to no end... the hate, narrowmindednesss, and scriptural fallacies -FROM BOTH SIDES-. Despite what you may think, I come from an extremely conservative pentacostal background. Actually I was taught that both Catholics, Baptists (all non-conservative-pentacostals) would burn for an eternity in hell...
SeaGreenMagnolia 3 months ago
@SeaGreenMagnolia ... However, I have recently ammended these thoughts. And I think if you, as I did, steped back, with an open heart and mind, inquiring "What thus saith the Word of the Lord", you might find yourself doing the same =). I appreciate your clear zeal and desire to be Christ-like. P.S. I am not Catholic, I have my own problems with certain Catholic philosophies and doctrines (but I strongly respect my Catholic friends, some of the most wonderful Christians, and the faith itself)
SeaGreenMagnolia 3 months ago
@SeaGreenMagnolia Freind,it's about something called idolatry and sexual immorality.Most of my freinds are catholics or muslims.But i donot fear to say the fact that bowing before images/statues and seeking intercession of creature rather than the creator is idolatry ,which you seem to forget while running to please the catholics.By sexual immorality i mean all evangelical/protestant churches which have embraced feminist lie and allows female pastors & homosexuality.(acts 15:29)
UnfoldingEternity 3 months ago
@UnfoldingEternity I take it your comments on Feminism is in regards to the fact that certain Pentecostal Denominations ordain female ministers? The Pentecostal Group which I was apart of was quite dead set against such practices.
SeaGreenMagnolia 3 months ago
@SeaGreenMagnolia However, iterestingly, I recently read a defense of female ministers written by a male baptist pastor... Now I dont necessarily agree with his interpretations, but one must be careful to distinguis between the theoretical construct of "feminism" and clerical practices which in certain instances predated that construct.
SeaGreenMagnolia 3 months ago
@UnfoldingEternity I admire your ability to do what many can not, and develop meaningful relationships with people, inspite of quite different beliefs... I think Christians, Catholics, and Muslims have a lot of common ground, particularly in the arena of morality, which is often overlooked.
SeaGreenMagnolia 3 months ago
@SeaGreenMagnolia thanks for that,but reality is that religion causes limitation in our freindships in ways that people often fail to see in the first look.That is exactly why many will today support a move to destroy religions from the face of earth even if it means real estate profit & power expansion for few(gog-sino russian political elite).This move will mark the begining of 3rd iconoclastic movement which will restore the true religion(non feminist protestantism)all over the earth
UnfoldingEternity 3 months ago
@SeaGreenMagnolia Your words prove you were never a pentecostal.
You are a foolish lying catholic who claim to be christian while breaking the commandments of god and blaspheming Jesus Christ by doing idolatry in his name by the practice of intercession/veneration of saints.
Repent and come back to original God's church aka non feminist protestantism as crores of fellow catholics have already done.
God bless you to see the truth.
UnfoldingEternity 3 months ago
@UnfoldingEternity Im Roman Catholic & I'm staying that way-we have droves of biblical scholars,theologians And Protestant ministers converting-the Roman Catholic Church. It correlates all its roots visibly,historically,through hundreds of letters from the Early Church fathers, archologically to our scriptures. Christ didn't drag his feet til Martin Luther-1st protestant-to start his church. That is illogical,
truthfulreply 3 weeks ago
@SeaGreenMagnolia you said "when all else fails,they(caths) do have history".What a stupid statement to make.Cathlic heretic sect branded christians as heretics(gnostics,dualistic pagans etc.) and massacred them.So now those who study history sees them as heretics since satanic catholicism has twisted history to mislead people to eternal hell fire.Let those who have "ears" hear what God says.Terrible is the judgment that is coming on catholics since they blasphemed God & "drank blood of saints".
UnfoldingEternity 3 months ago
@SeaGreenMagnolia You are right-the Anti-Catholics like to waste their time bashing the RCC-rather than worshipping in mass as Christ taught us. Their efforts are fruitless
truthfulreply 3 weeks ago
"You are saved by grace and grace only. Anyone who tells you differently is going to hell." That'll be St James you're talking about then.
James 2:24 "You see that a man is justified by works and not by faith alone." Matt 7:19 "Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire."
It is not Catholic doctrine to adore blessed Mary any more than a man adores his own mother, or to worship statues or blessed Mary as gods. This video doesn't speak the truth in love.
nepistepa 4 months ago
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I'm sorry you think God and his word are a joke. Have fun in Hell. :-)
GingerDemarque 4 months ago
@GingerDemarque This isn't the word of God, it's a cartoon full of the lies. We are not "saved by grace and grace only".
We are saved by (on God's part) Christ's grace, through (on our part) faith and works done in charity inspired by the Holy Spirit. That's why it's hard for the wealthy to enter the kingdom of God. "If you would be perfect, go, sell what you possess and give to the poor." Galatians 5:6 talks about "faith working through love". God doesn't force us to choose love and faith.
nepistepa 4 months ago
@GingerDemarque What a horrible thing to say. That is heinously unbiblical.
SeaGreenMagnolia 3 months ago
@GingerDemarque I'm just LOVING how you are SO judgmental of everyone...are you kidding me? Are you God? Who gave you divine authority? Your condemnation of people is being expectant on God's doing...unless you're God or his vicar, you have no place in doing so. and seriously, people like you need to brush up on your history and check out this concept called logic!
MrProCatholic 1 month ago
@MrProCatholic I must add to your reply-people need to go back almost 2000 years to find the true church Christ didn't wait until 460 yrs ago for the FIRST Protestors[ants]to come along to start his church.
'To Delve Deep into History is Ceasing to be Protestant"
truthfulreply 3 weeks ago
A 3rd grader made this...
PinkLeopard80s 4 months ago
@PinkLeopard80s Probably-& without a clue to what Roman Catholicism is about!
truthfulreply 3 weeks ago
This is quite insulting. Catholics have NEVER worshipped Mary, the Saints of the Pope.
x8Charlotte8x 5 months ago
@x8Charlotte8x I'm Catholic and I know the truths that our faith teaches-let them bash the church-it doesn't bother me -actually it is what compelled me to do extensive research to see if they were lying-and guess what? I am now a knowledgeable,devoted Catholic who is in peace,love & joy for christ thru his Roman Catholic Church. So to all the Catholic bashers-keep up your fruitless efforts-Catholics are becoming more faithful to the ONE HOLY CATHOLIC & APOSTLIC CHURCH-the ONE TRUE CHURCH !
truthfulreply 3 weeks ago
You may claim they were in union with the pope, but the papacy was not firmly established nor claiming absolute authority as the head of the Church [even though the head is Christ, obviously] during the very early centuries of Christianity. Furthermore, the archbishoprics [including Rome] were of equal authority, not the pope being over them. And if anyone's a boy, its you.
rjky1986 5 months ago 2
you're right martlut, errors do die hard; specially the gradual adding-onto of scriptural truths that ultimately distorts and manipulates what was the truth because of the erroneous and unnecessary traditions. Even Christ admonished the religious leaders of His day for "holding to the traditions of men" rather than the Word of God that is Scripture.
rjky1986 5 months ago 2
@rjky1986 what was added on to scripture truths by the Catholic Church
martlut 5 months ago
@martlut What was added on? Simple: the brown scapular [nowhere in Scripture nor is it mandated]. Encouraging the practice of asking for prayer from individuals or souls of individuals not currently on the earth [i.e. Mary and all other saints]. Bowing down before statues of saints or other figures [such a practice is specifically condemned in Exodus]. Requiring of prayers to someone outside of God as a penance for sins [i.e. the Hail Mary]. Where are those backed up in Scripture?
rjky1986 5 months ago 2
@martlut Also, where does it say we should pay the church institution/hierarchy special money along with saying some prayer to help fund building of new motherchurch buildings [i.e. selling indulgences for money with saying a prayer to build structures like St. Peter's Basilica in Rome]? Where is it in Scripture that it must be dictated that our sins can only properly be forgiven through a middleman [i.e. priest] instead of praying to God Himself and repenting accordingly alone?
rjky1986 5 months ago 2
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.John 20:23 - Jesus says, "If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven. If you retain the sins of any, they are retained." In order for the apostles to exercise this gift of forgiving sins, the penitents must orally confess their sins to them because the apostles are not mind readers. The text makes this very clear.
their are over 30 verses seems your not to fluent in the Bible as well
martlut 5 months ago
@martlut No I'm pretty fluent in Scripture actually. But that doesn't answer my question. Where does it say you MUST do this as the ONLY and proper way to be forgiven of sins and given the ability to repent of further sins? Is it not transformation in Christ and a change or heart? I'm not saying its a bad idea or wrong to confess sins to one another, but where is it made absolutely required to be forgiven of sins, period?
rjky1986 5 months ago
@rjky1986 actually your not fluent in scripture at all tell me what did Christ say about celibacy what did Paul say what does it say about it in Revelations
martlut 5 months ago
@rjky1986 which apostolic traditions are unnecessary Would Sunday service Be one of them Or the Term Trininty
martlut 5 months ago
@martlut Not Apostolic traditions. Those can be found in Scripture as the Apostles or people who knew them were the ones who wrote the books of the New Testament. I'm referring to the specifics surrounding the taking and permitting to the Sacrament of Holy Communion, praying of rosaries that do not necessarily strengthen or help one in their salvation, plenary indulgences, the brown scapular, bowing before Mary statues, kissing the pope's rings, holy water usage, clerical celibacy, and so forth.
rjky1986 5 months ago
@rjky1986 "To answer for the body and blood" of someone meant to be guilty of a crime as serious as homicide. How could eating mere bread and wine "unworthily" be so serious? Paul’s comment makes sense only if the bread and wine became the real body and blood of Christ
martlut 5 months ago
@martlut Oh, I know it still becomes the body and blood, but you can still tell its bread and wine at the same time. Hence the "divine mystery" aspect. But I'm not referring to heinous things such as murder. What about someone who is of true Christian faith, and believes it is Christ present within the elements, but because of a divorce they got because of abuse or adultery against them, or because they are not fully "confirmed", they are not allowed to partake? Why?
rjky1986 5 months ago
@rjky1986 Divorce is sin as Christ said ,as Paul said you cant receive the Eucharist when your in Sin you can be a christian and be in sin Whoever, therefore, eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord(AC) in an unworthy manner will be guilty concerning the body and blood of the Lord.
martlut 5 months ago
@martlut Hmm, even if you've repented of said sin and vowed not to get married and divorced again? I thought all sin was forgiveable except blasphemy against the Holy Spirit?
rjky1986 5 months ago
@rjky1986 If you didn't re- marry It would be OK. If you were remarried it would go against what Christ said and could not be repented of you cant confess a sin and go on committing the sin at the same time.
martlut 5 months ago
@martlut The Apostle Paul actually validated most-divorce remarriage in certain cases...
SeaGreenMagnolia 3 months ago
@SeaGreenMagnolia sorry you obviously know nothing about scripture and divorce
martlut 3 months ago
@rjky1986 Paul wrote to the Corinthians: "The cup of blessing which we bless, is it not a participation in the blood of Christ? The bread which we break, is it not a participation in the body of Christ?"
martlut 5 months ago
@martlut Right, and I agree with that. Many Protestant and Anglican churches adhere to this as according to Scripture.
rjky1986 5 months ago
@rjky1986 2Now I commend you(B) because you remember me in everything and(C) maintain the traditions(D) even as I delivered them to you. as well as The holy Kiss Prayer Scapular which isnt required of any catholic Holy water in the Bible Celibacy which Christ and Paul recommends for every Priest and will be rewarded By Christ and so forth
martlut 5 months ago
@martlut Perhaps they are not required, but are still encouraged and were added on later, though supposedly the Roman Catholic church which has supposedly always existed from day one claims to have all of this oral tradition passed on uncorrupted through the centuries that gradually led to the development of various disciplines, doctrines and practices such as the scapular, various Marian devotions, belief in Mary's immaculate conception,etc. And celibacy was only added in the 11th Century.
rjky1986 5 months ago
@martlut No, Trinity is proven throughout the Bible by context within the New Testament by mentions of three personas of a father, a son and holy spirit or holy ghost. God is a three-in-one.
rjky1986 5 months ago 3
@rjky1986 Guess you didn't know that the Trinity can also be Disproved with scripture as well
martlut 5 months ago
@martlut Well whoopee.
rjky1986 5 months ago
@martlut You only sound like every atheist or anyone else against the orthodox Trinitarian concept of God saying that.
rjky1986 5 months ago
@rjky1986 Paul said to Hold Fast onto traditions should we boot him out of the Bible
martlut 5 months ago
@martlut No we should not boot him out. Paul was referring to the oral traditions passed down through the few decades since Christ's ministry had begun and his teachings were taught to His apostles and others. He didn't mean traditions as in the practice of certain disciplines, devotions, specific repetitious prayers and the veneration of Mary and the papacy [I'm not referring to clergy period, but the papacy], but to the teachings of Christ Himself and what the Apostles learned from Him.
rjky1986 5 months ago 3
@rjky1986 Well what were the Traditions he was speaking of their Bright one Gal. 1:14 - Paul says that he was zealous for the tradition of his "fathers."
martlut 5 months ago
@martlut Bright one; cute. Anyways. the traditions would be all of what became written down in what became the Gospels that Christ taught to the Apostles and to the masses including those at the Sermon on the Mount directly. Notice Paul said not only traditions received by HIM by mouth but also by letter.
rjky1986 5 months ago
@rjky1986 sorry what were those traditions that were written down again didn't see go to church on Sunday Trinity Easter etc boy you contradicted yourself again he said by mouth didn't he where were those written down again..
martlut 5 months ago
@martlut No contradiction. He said traditions that they had received from HIM [Paul] personally and directly, or the other Apostles personally that they had learned directly from Christ and not handed down by third, fourth, sixth and seventh hand accounts, or later for those that would be handed down centuries later that had not been written down. He was speaking in the specific context of those people at the time [i.e. Gentiles] with what he learned first hand from Christ and the Apostles.
rjky1986 5 months ago
@rjky1986 Sorry the Bible came from Tradition as well . where was Sunday service written down again
martlut 5 months ago
@martlut Paul also said according to 2 Timothy 3:16 that "All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness," including any necessary-to-salvation or Christ-instituted traditions passed down orally before ultimately being written down into what is now the New Testament.
rjky1986 5 months ago 2
@rjky1986 2 Timothy 3:16-17 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, 17 so that the servant of God[a] may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.
Um the Key word Useful and Good work
martlut 5 months ago
@martlut yes, good work used to glorify God, show fruits of your faith, and make evidence of your faith, but not necessarily to help you in your salvation. So what's your point?
rjky1986 5 months ago
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@rjky1986 yes, good work used to glorify God, show fruits of your faith, yup you cant have Faith without works they are inseparable no works no faith. No faith alone in fact faith is a work
martlut 5 months ago
@martlut Granted, I agree your faith must be made evident by your works and change in how you live your life. We can most certainly agree on that. That is scriptural.
rjky1986 5 months ago
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@rjky1986 I agree your faith must be made evident by your works and change in how you live your life. We can most certainly agree on that. That is scriptural. quite right and that's what the Catholic church teaches not faith alone however
martlut 5 months ago
@martlut Yes, but I never said faith alone and no works. Its faith that saves you, but maintained and made evident by your good works and making efforts to repent of your sins.
rjky1986 5 months ago
@rjky1986 sorry grace alone saves you as the Bible clearly says tru faith and works done in the Holy Spirit very fundamental
martlut 5 months ago
@martlut Faith is DEAD without good deeds!
Believe all you want but committ wrongdoings & not following our Lords teachings-you're pushing your luck .Even the demons believe of Christ-& they shudder-as they chose to deny him. You need both-they go hand in hand.
truthfulreply 3 weeks ago
@rjky1986 hear that there are divisions among you. And I believe it in part,[d] 19for(T) there must be factions among you in order(U) that those who are genuine among you may be recognized. 20When you come together, it is not the Lord’s supper that you eat.
martlut 5 months ago
@martlut Doesn't count. You Roman Catholics love to use that unity in the Catholic church/disunity and division in Protestantism argument but I know better. I have been part of the Roman Catholic church before, and I can tell you that among the laity there are considerable differences politically, on gender issues, on civil rights, on salvation, on what is a sin and is not, and not even all of the clergy believe or profess the same things identically in robotic fashion. So not convinced.
rjky1986 5 months ago
@rjky1986 doesn't make a difference their is But one Catholic Teaching one Big Family with many opinions on various things which is fine .But one solid concrete Biblical Teaching as opposed to the Proties where each church teaches something different sorry apparently you don't know the argument its no argument but fact . Then you go on to say contradicting your self profess the same things identically in robotic fashion seems your very confused.
martlut 5 months ago
@martlut Yes you are right there is one true faith-The Catholic Church. Protestantism is a blueprint for Anarchy-I once read & believe.
truthfulreply 3 weeks ago
@rjky1986 You still haven't answered those simple theological questions are you having theological problems
martlut 5 months ago
@martlut Doesn't matter, lad. Those questions are irrelevant, and don't matter in light of you still can't prove to me WHY the papacy and all the practices and rituals of the Roman Catholic church are needed for salvation and being a real Christian. Therefore, whether or not they could be proved in your favour or not, the corruption, abuses, and adding-ons from the Middle Ages onwards that do not affect one's salvation and Christian status still doesn't prove anything.
rjky1986 5 months ago
@rjky1986 why yes they are very much relevant if they aren't then trow out your bible. what add on's from the Middle ages . I guess your churches have no abuses well you beat the Catholic church 3-1 in pedophilia case. shall I continue with your abuses the sins of individuals dont apply to the church sorry another dumb stament on your part but I guess you are all sinless wonders in you church,
martlut 5 months ago
@martlut No, nobody is sinless [though apparently Mary was an exception....], but I didn't know that individuals who make up the church don't count as the church. Hmmmm.... So it is an institution then you are saying? And before you claim I make dumb STATEMENTS, you should learn how to spell what this "stament" is of which you are referring to. Yeah.
rjky1986 5 months ago
@rjky1986 Paul cited Psalm 14. What was the context? Paul tells us in Rom: 5:19 that some, but not all, were made sinners. Do you agree with Paul? Or have YOU abandoned his apostolic teaching?
martlut 5 months ago
@martlut Heh heh; nice try. I read the "Death through Adam, Live through Christ" portion in context, and you just posted inaccurately a verse out of context. If you read verses 15 through 21, you will see the man who brought death [human sinfulness] into the world was Adam, and the "one man" being referred to is Jesus Christ, who of course we already knew was sinless. Are you sure you haven't YOU haven't abandoned apostolic teaching?
rjky1986 5 months ago
@rjky1986 very funny out of context Death thru Adam humm very much in context Life thru Christ Gee out of context only in the mind of a fundie
martlut 5 months ago
@martlut Actually, the people of whom you refer to as "fundies" typically condemn me to Hell for not being "conservative" enough for them. And as if certain Roman Catholics cannot become fundamentalistic in how rigid they are about Roman Catholic theology, doctrine and practice? yes, they can.
Anywho, the "one man" being referred to, read in plain text, was Jesus Christ, not some other mere human.
rjky1986 5 months ago
@rjky1986 fundies conservative be still my laughing heart no such thing as a fundie Catholic
martlut 5 months ago
@martlut heh heh; of course there isn't.......
rjky1986 5 months ago
@martlut Furthermore, you say the "sins of individuals don[']t apply to the church sorry", but irregardless the sins of history that people of the Roman Catholic church have committed en masse are still remembered [Crusades murders, Huguenot persecution, inquisition abuses {though less than what some claim}, gender-based oppression, Indian boarding school abuses], and still tarnish the reputation of said church. So no of course they don't apply do they?........
rjky1986 5 months ago 4
@rjky1986 Did Judas Tarnish The Church thus we should negate the rest of the Apostles according to you
martlut 5 months ago
@martlut lol. weak.
rjky1986 5 months ago
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rjky1986 5 months ago
@martlut and finally, if the people do not make up the [Roman Catholic] church, then how come during the Masses at one point or another the priest officiating will say "will the church please rise" and the people in attendance will rise at that point? So do people make up the Church and potentially have an effect on its reputation, or is it an institution that people just go to and serve? Which is it?
rjky1986 5 months ago 2
@rjky1986 Which is it people do make up the but their sins are personal and do not transfer to the Church or their teaching . You reasoning is buffoonish you can take it to the next step in your flawed reasoning and blame it on God. So when a Protie pastor says please rise So do people make up the Church and potentially have an effect on its reputation, or is it an institution that people just go to and serve? Which is it?
martlut 5 months ago
@martlut yes, of course we do. And your spelling of "Protie" is buffoonish, actually. Once again, its "proddy". The Romish and Protestant church bodies are composed of people, and therefore their sins as a whole instead of trying to amend their lives can of course affect the reputation of their respective church organizations.
rjky1986 5 months ago
@rjky1986 I guess the Catholic church isn't compiled of people very silly of you may effect the reputation but reputation is clownish and of men and Bigots its what is taught is what matters cant leave Jesus because of Judas sorry another bu8foonish statement.
martlut 5 months ago
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martlut 5 months ago
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@rjky1986 I suppose the catholic church isn't compiled of people with free will as opposed to you proties who cant think for yourselves I wonder who the robots are according to your statement. Where in the scripture is this nonsensical verse their sins are a whole I guess the whole protie church will be judged by the whole instead of the Individual boy you just cant make this crap up. where do you find that gem in scripture
martlut 5 months ago
@rjky1986 17But in the following instructions I do not commend you, because when you come together it is not for the better but for the worse. 18For, in the first place, when you come together as a church
martlut 5 months ago
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@rjky1986 well firstly off history proves the Catholic church is the universal church through Documentation.Also can Prove a direct papacy Line to Peter which you don't accept. Not my fault you don't accept truth they were documented even in the KJV bible. The word Roam wasn't even used until King Henry and the reformers gave it to the Church in the 1500's It was always the catholic church. The eastern Orthodox schism didn't happen until the 11th century
martlut 5 months ago
@martlut That, and since even IF the Roman Catholic church as we've known it today or even 1000 years ago did actually compile the Bible or not, that church still became corrupt in its practices, its unnecessary rituals and disciplines, and its abuses [including indulgence selling, the Crusade invasions, the slaughtering of countless thousands to million of Cathars, Hussites, French Huguenots, English & Dutch Protestants, and Mesoamerican Natives still far outnumbering all Protestant actions.
rjky1986 5 months ago
@rjky1986 as for selling Indulgens it never has sold indulgences and condemns and excommunicates anyone who does sorry another protie myth. As for the crusades It was a defensive war against the Muslims who at the time of the start of the crusades was initiated by guess who the eastern Orthodox they were on the verge of being exterminated by the Muslims and asked the Pope who reluctantly agreed to help them,
martlut 5 months ago
@martlut Sure, a "defensive" war which took the OFFENSIVE and treaded all throughout coastal Muslim-controlled territory and in the process not only defied the more practical and less-aggressive and non-incriminating aspect of staying in one area or near borders in Turkey or southern Europe, but instead launching full-scale incursions into the Middle East and taking Jerusalem temporarily, and killing countless hundreds of thousands of Jews, Muslims, and even other Eastern Catholic Christians.
rjky1986 5 months ago 2
@rjky1986
How was war conducted in reference to a siege of a City, was It Give up and Live or resist and die.
Who held the City of Jerusalem at the Time. And who held it before hand.
Yup Innocent orthodox were Killed in direct disobedience to the Pope
martlut 5 months ago