Look man, massive respect for enduring what your country had to endure back then. But you can't equate Scottish nationalism with that kind of ethnocentricity. It speaks nothing worthwhile on what is a legitimate cause. To do so would require ignoring history, political geography, economics and all things few and far between. There is no model for nationalism or independence. This is no hard science and every country should be analysed with regards to their own circumstances. Peace, Alba gu bràth
Scottish Independence is a dream, nothing more. Westminster would never allow Scottish Independence and would most likely use force to prevent such a referendum from actually going through, regardless of the PM's views on the matter. Scotland would have a hard time finding allies because western countries usually only recognize separatist movements when they despise the country being separated from.
@DannyGemmo Actually I'm 100% behind freedom for England. I have a bottle of Spitfire English ale on ice for when that day comes. We're both fighting for the same thing pal. Let's raise a glass and look forward to the break-up of the Union. Just one thing though...who will you bitch about and blame when something goes wrong for you? You'll be lost if you can't whinge about the English.
Dragan Bulic, you don't need to worry about this. The level of "anti english sentiment" in Scotland is actually very low. To be frank, nobody gives a damn about the English or any such things. The problem for the SNP is actually that Scots aren't patriotic enough - so honestly, you don't need to worry about ethnic cleansing. A lot of us are second/third or even first generation English people anyway.
Con't, we can also tell by your description where you pretend you got help by a "Rob Ó Maolalaigh" - an Irish name, a made up person you named there to give the illusion you have support for this piece of vile made up garbage.
Scottish independence is the rightful choice of the Scots, the people of Scotland, native born and bred, are the sovereign of Scotland, therefore what the Scots say on independence is the law as stated on the 'Declaration of Arbroath' (my birth town).
This video should removed, fuck you DraganBulic1 you fake Yogoslavian, do you really think Scots here are stupid enough to believe this vile sack o' shite?
You're an Englishman posing as a Yugoslavian to make it seem like you've got experience when you talk about Scottish independence and comparing it to the Balkan states.
alex salmond is against english power in scotland if any country has a ethnic cleansing problem its england its national party english democrats is far right and snp r centre left scottish power for scottish
Dragan, I think its great that you uploaded this video. I can see the analogy between the Balkans break up and the internal UK tensions since devolution. There is growing resentment over different healthcare, education and budgets in the UK regions. This can only create division. If you don't learn the lessons from the Balkan history you will be doomed to repeat it.
i fail to get the connection, this video should be removed, it's obviously false and DragonBulic1is the only racist here, and for a so called Yugoslavian your english is very very very good, bit suspicious, even your terminology is very very english, your using terminology a foreigner wouldn't use, sorry but your a fake, you lie, and your video doesn't make sense, it only angers good Scots, you have no place in our new country, if you don't like it please leave now.
Ridiculous, unfounded, disparate video that has only one message Negativity probably made by the anti SNP machine, which we will see a lot of in the next few years, no pro Independence Scot with a brain would take the message here seriously , the writer ( if the story is indeed true) is not even a Scot.
Battles 800 years ago shouldnt have any relevance to people in the present day u.k.Same as ANGLO_ NOrman gangsters(Bruce) who murdered their way to kingship and raised armies from the Common people to help them Remain KING OF SCOTLAND?? how can anyne with any sense look up to characterslike that. or Bonnie Prince Charlie, another foriegn "would be King" MUST say the Hate is strong amongst SNP support,but a lot of its RELIGIOUS, but it cant be admitted as such YET......
And therefore came it, that the fleering Scots, To England’s high disgrace, have made this jig; “Maids of England, sore may you mourn,— For your lemans you have lost at Bannocksbourn,— With a heave and a ho! What weeneth the King of England, So soon to have won Scotland?— With a rombelow!”
I don’t think that the remembrance of the peevish succession wars in Illyria will convince the Scots to abandon their quest for total independence! Plus they indulge in battling the English! Christopher Marlowe has informed to world in his fancy play Edward II how those Scots mocked the English with their defeat at Bannocksbourn:
This video is complete english junk piece of work!!! It insults both serbian and scottish people both extremely mistreated by the TYRANIC LONDON IN THE PAST!!!!!!
As a Scot of Chinese descent I have no such worries. The debate is about the principle of subsidiarity, whether or not Scotland can govern herself better as an independent nation and not about race.
I don't see anything wrong with patriotism, which is loving your country, not always because you feel it is better in some way, but just because it needs love! There are things wrong with Britain, but I still love it, and express this by my involvement in the community. Scottish nationalism is ok as long as it is not in its anti British, anti Union (but pro subserviance to the European Union form.)
@Tam1297 I didn't feel like this when I heard constant abuse at us English from the Scots - assumed it was a minority. The 'anyone but England' thing I just thought was very petty and stupid but more of a case of sour grapes. OK, I don't hate all Scots (I'm living with a Scottish girl in a few months anyway), it was a backhanded comment and I'm sorry. I was just scared. I honestly couldn't care less if Scotland is independent or not as long as I am not targeted in any anti-English bullshit.
@Tam1297 Well, namely that I like Scotland, but don't want to be abused when going there. For example, when I heard about that kid, and about that girl who got partially blinded in Aberdeen I felt really genuinely upset and angry.
Dude, this isnt the 1300s. In today's globalised world it is numbers that matter. Small nations have no influence on how they want the world to be. Small nations are being and will be increasingly dictated to by bigger nations. Look at how Ireland and Greece have just been forced to put their country into huge debts that will last for decades.
Our local SNP branch has many easter european members and english members. english activists and polish activists among others, what a load of tosh you truly talk
have a laugh its the extreme BNP nazi-heads who fired this up cant Stand losing scotland the country that finances london and its immorality whilst future social programs are put on hold for another 30 years trust BNP? trust downing st.? peaceful non-violent demonstration is all thats needed This lot want you to Lash Out! be mindful...india showed who was in control ultimately may it happen All over again in scotland
This is awful. The SNP is not a far right organisation it is a centre-left party and aims to improve the lives of all who live in Scotland whatever creed, colour, religion or nationality they are from. Comparisons with former Yogoslavia are insulting. It is possible to achieve independence without violence as Montenegro shows. Countries have a right to self determination under International law and anyway name a nation that regrets gaining Independence from London.
typical Britnat propeganda. They have no real arguments for keeping the union together and resort to fear and smear tactics every time. As a voter with a brain I don`t buy into it.
@mwillis1000 Propeganda is information or lies told by someone as a tool to further their cause. In Scotlands case it has been used to dumb down any aspirations of seeking a better future outwith the stinking union. ie we are too small, too poor, too stupid. Donald Duer famously said we would be as poor as Bangladesh when infact a secret document lay in London saying Scotland would be one of the richest nations in Europe if it took control of its resources. Unforgiveable!
Shut the fuck up dickhead making a strawman out of this!
Look up the Highland clearances and then tell me about ethnic clensiing look at labour politiions calling Montenegro genociders.! If you don't like Scotland go to ENGLAND
Just recently i have been thinking there is a huge similarity between serbian ultranaionalists and SNP, the whole we own you but you dont own us viewpoint.
@bobsparkie But we are all british on these isles. Long before there was ever wales scotland and england these isles were britannia (britain) we used to be one strong nation without borders. In my view, that is why we on these ilsles have always felt a close bond between us which pre-dates all this silly squabling about which side of the border our mothers gave birth to us.
@NumberDne Wrong the indiginus population were celts not british that was a name the Romans used . and they the celts were never a united group . dont try to change history to fit your own political bias .
HA HA I fell sorry for the maker of this video not very bright are we now! Ths video really is awful no facts and no understaning of Scottish Natonalism! The SNP are internationalists are most people whop beleve in Scottish Indepence.
How you can compare the independance of Scotland to the bloody war in the Balkans is beyond logic!!! We are the oldest nation in Europe and from all studies are the most tolerant of other races and religions. So to bracket Scotlands independance from a country we were at war with for on and off 1000 years. To even put Alex Salmond in the same video as Arkan and Milosivic shows how little you know! They are war criminals like tony blair and george bush! Find your facts before you post trash
Draganbulic- stop wastin yer time mate. Scotland has nothing in common with Yugoslavia. Scottish independence is about freedom, equality and justice. The opposite which happens to be the status quo is tyrrany and colonialism
Salmond is no Milosevic, and Gibson is no Goebbels.
Scottish Nationalism is not that variety of Nationalism. It is civic nationalism. That's why the Asian scots have tended to vote SNP. They don't care what your ethnicity is! As a thanks to his English constitutients, the SNP MP for nan Eilean Siar flies the English cross of St George.
This is not about hate of the English. This is about love of self. This is about not wanting to be part of a fairly abusive marriage anymore.
Dragan, I am an Englishman and a Unionist. I lived 4 years in Scotland and I believe that Britain should remain one nation. But although I disagree with the SNP, I have sufficient regard for the people of Scotland to recognise that if it comes to a parting of the ways, it will be done in a civilised and mutually-respectful manner by both sides. You are NOT in Yugoslavia any more - you are in Britain and we do things differently over here. Frankly, you are worrying yourself sick unnecessarily.
You've got issues sonny! The issues in the Balkans were a throwback to the days of the ruled as part of the Holy Roman Empire/Hungaro Austro Empire/Ottoman Empire, and the formation of Yugoslavia whilst ignoring the Religious and Territorial disputes that lasted for Centuries!
Scotland knows her borders, and respects her people, Religions, and those from other nations, and will not fall into the trap you guys exeperienced in the 90s.
Your comparison of Alec Salmond to any of the mass murderers portrayed in this tawdry piece of nonsense insults the very people who have welcomed you in to their country. Well Dragan, this just in, the war in Yugoslavia is over. Yes it's officially safe for you to go back there and continue your studies, and I am sure Rob Ó Maolalaigh can advise you over the internet. On the other hand, maybe the benefits agency isn't quite so generous!
To compare Alec Salmond with mass murderers is an insult to the very people who gave you a home when you left Yugoslavia. Well Dragan, this just in, the war is over at home, so maybe you should try politics in your home country, and leave us Scots to run ours, or are the benefits agency more generous here?
Of course the Scots hate the English. A brief summary of Scottish History give ample reason for that. It is a Universal human right that everyone is entitled to Nationality. The English have denied the Scots this for centuries.
This is truly the work of British state lackey's, Scotland is overwhelmingly a tolerant nation & the Scottish Nationalist Party open & inclusive. People should look at Scotland's ancient independent past before making these pathetic comparisons, the British state was put together for empire in 1707 & that is a fact. To be a true nationalist you first have to be an internationalist. Scotland will get there in the end, it is only the amount that we lose before we get there that is tragic.
To compare the SNP to the BNP and Serbian nationalists is wrong and probably libelous. The SNP are Civic nationalists (left wing), the BNP and those Serbian nutters are Ethnic Nationalists (far right).
Yeah I dont agree with this. I dont see the racism thing here, unlike in the osuth of england. Lot of projection going on here and a lot of misinformation. Thumbs down,
Im an SNP supporter but i wouldnt support what theyd say if anyone was gettin driven out of scotland itd be them it is also very funny as there is quite a few English members IN the SNP you just do not hear about them enough which you should
I know a few englishmen that are living in scotland would love independance for scotland and have a scottish passport
Scotland just like England is a mongrel nation we're made up of saxons and normans picts vikings purity has had nothing to do with scotland
i think you are mistaken. The SNP are not pro-scottish, anti-english im pretty sure they just believe that Scotland would be better if it was self-governed. However you do raise the point that there is two types of patriotism, one that loves your countrymen and the culture they have created and the other that hates all bar your countrymen and culture.
and you know nothing about the Scottish/English rivalry . Yes there are a few in Scotland who despise Englishness ( not English people ) remember Scots get British nationalism and Englishness rammed down there throat every day . Also Scottish society has already been ripped apart thanks , thats before you got here btw .
as a Scottish nationalist i want to "love thy neighbour" and not go into illegal foreign occupations as the UK has done of late. The SNP stand squarely against violence and hatred
In its heyday Yugoslavia (or greater Serbia as many non Serbs saw it) was responsible for some terrible ethnic cleansing itself, it didn;t need to split up into its constitient nations for that to occur. Indeed the dominant nation, Serbia in the Yugolsav Union was resposible for most the atrocities before and after the break up.
fare enougn if you have seen war in what was yougoslavia but please do not try to understand for a minute what the scottish people have went through. Trust me, there isnt going to be any ''ethnic cleansing'' in scotland, Give us some credit alright pal ;)..but before you reply to anything why dont you brush up on your scottish history, we have every right to hate england
Oh come on man thats a tad ridicolous calling in hatred from the freakin feudal ages. The last war that Scotland fought against the English was the jacobite rebellion and they started by fighting other Scots and it was to restore a monarchy in Britain. Im for Scottish independance but i would be a liar and fool to say that Scotland joining the British empire didn't do remarkable things for us. The English are a lovely people and regardless of referdum would always be our friends
The Jacobite rebellion was not a war between England and Scotland. It was a series of battles of ideologies and of religion, not England versus Scotland in the least. Britain already had a monarchy - there was no monarchy during the interregnum, at which time Oliver Cromwell was in charge, but that was a century prior to the rebellion. Scotland and England united before there was a British empire - the empire existed purely because Britain was united.
wow wait a minute here, we have every right not to like the english. After centuries of oppression, invasion, theft, murder, rape the list goes on. We are intitled not to like our neighbours. This current union was nothing but a trick by england to gain more money and land. you can argue against it all u want but u dont actually know the truth about it. The scottish nobles and politicians that voted in favour of it where bribed by england. Its a lie. Fare enough if you have seen....
Change the record. Do you really think that in centuries of conflict between England and Scotland, innocent English weren't killed and raped too?
Case in point; Alexander 2nd Lord Home, who on James IVs orders pillaged deep into England prior to Flodden. Do you think he politely asked his way through? Im the first to concede that aspects of Hanoverianism, such as the Pacification, were morally wrong and counterproductive but do not try implying that its all one sided.
This user has obviously jumped to conclusions " I overheard delegates from the SNP conference talking about their hatred of the English, how they wanted to drive them out of Scotland and made the country 'pure'"
Every party attracts idiots at times throughout their life time, you cannot let your view of a handful of people destroy a view of the SNP
If you seen five scottish people in kilts, drunk eating a haggis supper would you think that all scots are like that?
i stopped listening to u as soon as i heard you were shocked people love there country, your a retard dude, hope u burn in whatever hell you belive in
This Video is obscene. Patriotism is not racism. Scotland is a proud Nation admired worldwide for its rich culture, enlightened traditions and glorious history. We could discuss all day the economic and social impact of independence, (and incidentally i believe that on both counts we would be better off) but ultimately I feel its time Scotland relieved itself of this Union, which has rendered us subordinate in stature and inadequately dependent on our Southern neighbors. This film is pathetic!!
Guess you'll just have to wave bye bye to free tuition fees and prescription charges. Oh well, we'll give you another chance, meet you at Culloden II.
I find it hilarious how a handful of idiots can sway your opinion on a nation. You clearly had dislike for the Scots before because you certainly don't begin to loathe a country because one or two fools do something stupid. Idiot.
Oh really? All I have heard from over the border (especially since the SNP started getting attention) is "English cunts" and "English scum". Now I didn't really think of it until...well, heard of Hugo Clapshaw? A guy attacked a 7 year old kid for wearing an England top!
Once again you're letting an immature prick influence you're opinion on the Scots. Let's fight fire with fire then, shall we? My friend was in London a couple of years ago wearing a Scotland shirt, and a passer-by spat on him. Now, I don't hate the English and I certainly won't let some fool make me hate them, but you are judging 5 million people on the behaviour of few. It simply isn't fair. I am a Nationalist but I don't hate you. All I want is for my country to be governed by our own.
Fine. I know it happens on both sides. All I'm concerned about is the possibility of the risk of being attacked in Edinburgh while doing something as innocent as going to the Edinburgh festival.
I was on my own in Dover when set upon by English football fans who heard my Scottish accent, kill the Scotch cunt was one of the screams coming from the pack, this was before the SNP were news.
@PtbaScot You should go to wiki and type "Anti-Scottish sentiment" by the English, it's also known as "Scotophobia", it's seen as very uncommon and rare in other foreign countries aside from England.
There was a girl shot in the face in Bolton because of her Scottish accent.
@PtbaScot There have been a number of attacks on Scots in England in recent years. In 2004 a Scottish former soldier was beaten up by a gang with bricks for having a Scottish accent. In Aspatria, Cumbria, a group of Scottish schoolgirls say they received anti-Scottish taunts and foul language from a group of teenage girls during a carnival parade. An English football supporter was banned for life for shouting "Kill all the Jocks" before attacking Scottish football fans.
@PtbaScot One Scottish woman says she was forced to move from her home in England because of anti-Scottish feeling, while another had a haggis thrown through her front window. In 2006 a Student nurse from London was fined for assault and hurling anti-Scottish abuse at police while drunk during the T in the Park festival in Kinross.
All these incidents were before the SNP's great gain to power in 2007.
Of course there's been many many more anti-Scottish stuff before this as far back as 1800.
i don't think it's misinformed. i am a member of the SNP and I am aware that there is a small faction of Nationalists who think it's fun to attack the English. We are not an anti english party and all they are doing is holding back our independence. The person who made this film will never vote SNP so they have lost the SNP one vote
patriots dont hate thier neighbors you twit.... true unadultered patriots hate those who oppress thier neighbor my friend...tyranny is a patriots only enemy... remember the true free europe when the people had personal responsability and less governance... well in the spots of europe where the patriots had the testicular fortitude to fight back!!!
Special thanks to the SNP press office for getting me a special pass for the gathering at Inverness. Despite best efforts have so far failed to secure interview with Alec regards his announcement that we wants to hold the balance of power in Britain as Clan Chieftan of Holyrood. Correct me if wrong, but does that mean he'd have SNP MPs at Westminster on that 'remote control' he's always moaned about. Mad, but still better than 90s Novi Sad.
Who in the SNP Press Office gave you a 'special' pass? What day were you there? Why didn't you just pay as a day visitor? Are you a journalist? Any party with a large bloc of members can hold exceptional power over a hung parliament, why do you view this as 'Mad'?
What questions do you want to ask the First Minister of Scotland?
@DraganBulic1 absolute crap, got some personal agenda going on fore sure. No one can be that misguided. Thats some seriously warped thinking going on there to compare SNP to those. Go back to your postapocalytic bubble and romantise to yourself or get some help.
Finally a video that makes fucking sense, and a bunch of ignorant neds have rated it down! Wars of the past are in the fucking past! Leave it! I'm British, and proud! Thee forgetting that there was just as much loyalism during the Jacobite uprising as there was nationalism! Many Scots preferred Britain then, and many of us do now! We're one of the richest nations in Europe thanks to Britain! Would we be without the English channel through which 95% of British/European trade is made?
I'd assume the poster meant the former trade with Norway, the military naval advantage and of coarse the oil reserves, oh and fishing industry. All things that served the UK.
You who made this video, u compare the wrong things, i am from croatia and i can draw a paralele between us and scottish, like we fighted our independence in '90 scottish are fighting it now.. this is how it works: ex yugoslavia=UK, serbians=english, so please dont compare serbians in your video with scottish, wrong side of equation..every nation needs independence otherwise they are repressed , like we were and like u are still from english..i support u, good luck scotland!
Lol omg you have it wrong. Drive out English politicians. Not some mad genocide. If any ethnic cleansing happened in Scotland it was at the hands of the British. Read about the Highland clearances. Think someone from Yugoslavia would understand, remember when the USSR ruled you?
The USSR carried out its crimes decades ago and people can still remember those horrors. The Highland clearances, on the other hand, happened centuries ago and everyone who was involved, on either side, is dead.
Who cares how long ago any crimes happened? Still doesn't stop the fact Scotland should be an independent country making it's own way in the world, Like France, Germany, Denmark or any other country not treated like some special needs case that has to be supervised by it's minder. And their is a difference between Scotland and Yugoslavia, you're right... Yugoslavia is FREE from the Russians.
If everyone who committed those crimes is dead then why should it remain a current political issue and not a historical one?
The argument about Scotland being Sovereign for the sake of being Sovereign can be applied to any collective (or even to individuals). It's completely arbitrary.
The SNP are just as statist as "New" Labour; they share the same ideology. That fact makes "independence" worthless to me.
The USSR does not compare to the UK (despite Labour's wishes).
Who said the Highland clearances was a current political issue? The argument is that Scotland a country of over a thousand years old, with such a distinctive culture and heritage which was forced into a union 400 years ago can't come out of it now in more civilized times. That I a Scot can't show a passport in other parts of the world that says Scottish like a Frenchman, Irishman or Canadian can. that Scotland can't speak for itself in the UN or NATO, What is so wrong with that?
The fact that it is being brought up in a debate about a modern political issue implies it is a modern political issue.
What nationality your passport has is a trivial issue; it doesn't affect its functionality (at least not between Scotland and any other EU member). It shouldn't even need to show any nationality in the first place.
It wasn't wrong for the US to rebel; they had no representation. It was wrong to put the fate of Hong Kong in the hands of Communist autocracy though.
You're right why have nationalities?, I should just bow down to a British government like a good little boy, hey while we are at it why don't we just get rid of a British government and be ruled purely from Europe. That's it get rid of all countries and be ruled by someone in Brussels. Or go even further and just have a world leader eh. Maybe that Hitler guy was on to something? After all I'm just from a trivial little country I should be seen and not heard.
You're completely mispresenting my position. At what point did I say that European dictatorship was the answer to the world's problems? Your violation of Godwin's law shows you have nothing of substance.
I do not care where the government is run from I only care if it respects individual freedom and is smart enough to avoid interfering with the economy. A Scottish government has just as much potential to become oppressive as a British government.
But why do you object to Europe running the UK? As long as they do it fairly? Its wrong for Scotland to object to being run by The UK(England) but its totally of the question to have England ran by a bigger power? Scotland has just as much potential to become as oppressive as a British government? So are you insinuating that the UK is an oppressive unfair Government?
To be honest if I have the choice of a British government screwing me over or a Scottish one screwing me over I'd rather have a Scottish one as its less insulting. Who knows what Scotland could become? A Socialist country? a republican country? but at least it would be responsible for its own success and failures, that is a right of any nation and shouldn't be asked for.
Well it seems you don't CARE if we're an independent democracy or not. I don't get people who don't care yet make a noise about it, If we become independent the nationalists will be happy, people like you who don't care will be happy so we'll all be happy.
Oh yea well lets have the Right Wing Tories back eh, they did Scotland so many favors. 12 Parliaments? There are only 4 Constituting countries in the United Kingdom. or better yet you should vote BNP, I'm starting to see why your so against Scotland now.
60Million people/5million people per parliament (the number represented by Scottish Parliament) = 12 Parliaments
The Tories are statist too but at least they are slightly more Capitalist than Labour
You have no idea what you are talking about. I am a Liberal Capitalist who believes in open borders; I disagree with everything the BNP stands for! They are Nationalist (which I just told you I am against), Socialist (meaning left wing) and Authoritarian. Ingsoc is a more fitting name for them
Oh so you get a parliament for every 5 million people nothing to do with political government or anything it's a number thing now I see. So Canada must surely have 6 parliaments but wait a minute they have one, why is that? Oh I remember you have one Parliament per COUNTRY no matter what it's population is. But keep talking I hope others see this drivel and it strengthens their case for Independence. And hey if we do become independent you can always move to Dover, theirs no need to stay.
Canada has 13 legislative assemblies and they have the same powers as Scottish Parliament.
Call them Parliaments or Assemblies; their function is the same and it is not unreasonable to suggest that Britain be federalised like Canada, Austrailia or the USA.
My Drivel? Read your own arguments; you apparently thought the BNP was a Capitalist, Liberal group in favour of open borders.
Again your referring purely to size, as in small countries are as important as small regions. like the USA has governors under a president but Congress is the main one and the President is the Leader. Do you think one state has more governors because it's bigger?
and if you compare Scotland to a state (Which I hate) you'd find the First Minister as more or less a Governor but for that Union to really work England would also need a governor and the four of them under 1 leader, that would at least be fair. Fairer for Scotland and a lot fairer for England. BNP see Scotland as a little region, not a country or a nation. This is clearly what the two of you share.
The bigger states have more legislators although not more governors. The Larger states (California, NY, Texas) also have more congressmen than the less populous states.
If the US were to be divided into 4 states using the population proportions of the UK then those states would be North California, South California, Texas and everywhere else.
Guess that's why they have 50 not 4. What does splitting the United States into four have to do with governments? The UK is a lot smaller and made up of 4 countries, once Four Kingdoms, hence the name the United Kingdom. And 5 Mil per Government is a stupid thing to say, what about countries with less than 5 mil people, like Wales or New Zealand. Sounds to me like you wish their where no countries at all just a bunch of world wide governments.
Countries are so subjective anyway. England and Scotland don't really exist, there's no physical thing there that separates us, just your own state of mind and where the government tells us the line is drawn. I mean don't get me wrong, I'm proud to be British, and I think that nations DO have a clear difference in state of mind, and culture and history should be remembered and kept close to how we live. But separating yourself from someone else, because of a make-believe border? It's a bit sad.
I made the comparison to the USA based on population (which is more relevant); not land area.
I only said 5Million per devolved Assembly if the UK were to be federalised; it makes sense that each devolved Parliament would each represent a similar number of people.
Where the government rules from doesn't matter if it continues to enact the same policies. The SNP are just like Labour and they don't trust the people of Scotland.
Because the EU is currently being run by unelected beaurocrats and it can change laws autonomously. If it had a constitution limiting government power which I could agree with then I might get behind the idea but as of today that seems extremely unlikely.
The current UK government (Labour) endorses statist and moderately socialist policies and so do the SNP. The SNP merely hide behind a mask of nationalism which they call freedom in order to make themselves appear acceptable.
And the UK has been ran unfairly since it began. It's become fairer since its grown, no we're not occupied or ran by tyrants but is that to say its ok to run another country as long as you do it nicely? If the UK was fair their would be an English parliament and an English first minister. That way four countries would be equal but England = Britain. So that's not fair, the Scottish First minister is like the head prefect.
The fact that it is being brought up in a debate about a modern political issue implies it is a modern political issue.
What nationality your passport has is a trivial issue; it doesn't affect its functionality (at least not between Scotland and any other EU member). It shouldn't even need to show any nationality in the first place.
It wasn't wrong for the US to rebel; they had no representation. It was wrong to put the fate of Hong Kong in the hands of Communist autocracy though.
I know the guy who posted this video. I can tell you he is not a refugee and was in fact born in Scotland and is a scot. He has been a member of the Labour party to my knowledge is no longer. He is a staunch union man and this video is a pathetic attempt to get his argument across. Shame on you its up to you to admit you have lied or i will expose your name in a few days with evidence of who you are matey!
Can easily use blatant Historical comparisons to represent the SNP's reasons. Remember when Russia controlled the Ukraine under the USSR? When Germany controlled Austria under Nazi Germany or how about now when Tibet is controlled by China? There you go blatant black and white melodramatic comparisons.
Patriotism is one of the greatest things in the world - it lets people know where they come from and it lets people be proud of where they come from. Patriotism is not evil, it is good. I feel sorry for you if you have none. Please do not be so quick to judge an entire nation (which is paying for your stay here). If we Scots are so terrible, why don't you go?
What a sorry video. The author who has come from a worn torn country is offered refuge and a safe haven in peaceful Scotland and rewards his new country by posting the worst youtube video I have seen in a very long time.
another shit video from another point of view expressed before even stopping to think about what is really going on in our country how about unionists stop listening to the lying government in westminster and actually wake up and do some fucking research before getting all self righteous!!
Main point is we hate no one (well not all true we do hate some people I'll admit that without shame who stand against Scotland), yet the main problem that we hate is corruption in London, and how our voice can't be heard for OUR land, not england, OUR land, Scotland.
There was a show in BBC Alba I wish you to see sometime (for anyone, it's on youtube even) it's called Diomhair. It talks about how we have been yelling for independence for many many years and yet england has always covered it up.
Ummm, right and the you say we wish to kick the english out of our lands.....I'm fine with that.
It's not like they let us Scots just stay here in Scotland in peace...oh no they even tried to kick us out of our own land....yes this is old history but history leads the future.
Also just as SaorALBANoBas said about SNP member Bashir Ahmad. Yes, the proof is there, we hate everyone who is not a Scot. Now I hope you do enjoy living in Scotland DraganBulic1...I see your from Yugoslavia.
This video confuses me a bit it shows war crimininals and depicts the SNP should it not show Tony Blair and Gordon Brown war criminals to the core and they should be brought to justice
It`s only the political elite in Westminster and the majority of Scots voters who are scared of Scottish idependence.
Most English people I know have a growing apathy toward the minority of whingeing Scots and would be happy to get rid!
England is generally a vibrant and tolerant nation who have no time to waste in hating the Scottish.....not so sure about the history obsessed Scottish people though!
If you want to go it alone, then do it but please get a move on, it`s getting boring!
Look man, massive respect for enduring what your country had to endure back then. But you can't equate Scottish nationalism with that kind of ethnocentricity. It speaks nothing worthwhile on what is a legitimate cause. To do so would require ignoring history, political geography, economics and all things few and far between. There is no model for nationalism or independence. This is no hard science and every country should be analysed with regards to their own circumstances. Peace, Alba gu bràth
joetavish 1 week ago
quicker we get independece the better why can other Countries in the world get independence and we can't ?
Gusdocs1 2 weeks ago
Scottish Independence is a dream, nothing more. Westminster would never allow Scottish Independence and would most likely use force to prevent such a referendum from actually going through, regardless of the PM's views on the matter. Scotland would have a hard time finding allies because western countries usually only recognize separatist movements when they despise the country being separated from.
lastminuteregret 2 months ago
What a load of shite!
1966thewallace 3 months ago
WTF is this video about
yes i am an anti-english just like many english are anti-scottish
we want independence from the Scummy UK and theres nothing the english can do
SNP...SNP...SNP
DannyGemmo 6 months ago
@DannyGemmo The surname Salmond is of Anglo-Saxon origin. Your leader is a Sassenach! AHAHHAHAHAHA! Oh the irony of it! Priceless!
whitbyjet65 6 months ago
@whitbyjet65 please just fuck off if you were scottish you would want independence too
and dont even bother replying you wouldn't cause you would
DannyGemmo 6 months ago
@DannyGemmo Actually I'm 100% behind freedom for England. I have a bottle of Spitfire English ale on ice for when that day comes. We're both fighting for the same thing pal. Let's raise a glass and look forward to the break-up of the Union. Just one thing though...who will you bitch about and blame when something goes wrong for you? You'll be lost if you can't whinge about the English.
whitbyjet65 6 months ago
@DannyGemmo just more evidence of the racist SNP, sieg heil scum bag
drizzil 22 hours ago
this video makes the impression of being very open minded and peaceful.
so move westminster to scotland and let scotland run the uk. that would be open minded and peaceful.
HLecterPHD 6 months ago
Dragan Bulic, you don't need to worry about this. The level of "anti english sentiment" in Scotland is actually very low. To be frank, nobody gives a damn about the English or any such things. The problem for the SNP is actually that Scots aren't patriotic enough - so honestly, you don't need to worry about ethnic cleansing. A lot of us are second/third or even first generation English people anyway.
MarvellousMuffin 6 months ago
There is absolutely fuck all wrong or racist about wanting your own nation to manage it's own affairs, political independence is a must for Scotland!
Vote YES! for Scottish independence! and reclaim your rightful nationality!
segano1 7 months ago
There is absolutely fuck all wrong or racist about wanting your own nation to manage it's own affairs, political independence is a must for Scotland!
Vote YES! for independence!
segano1 7 months ago
Con't, we can also tell by your description where you pretend you got help by a "Rob Ó Maolalaigh" - an Irish name, a made up person you named there to give the illusion you have support for this piece of vile made up garbage.
Scottish independence is the rightful choice of the Scots, the people of Scotland, native born and bred, are the sovereign of Scotland, therefore what the Scots say on independence is the law as stated on the 'Declaration of Arbroath' (my birth town).
segano1 7 months ago
This video should removed, fuck you DraganBulic1 you fake Yogoslavian, do you really think Scots here are stupid enough to believe this vile sack o' shite?
You're an Englishman posing as a Yugoslavian to make it seem like you've got experience when you talk about Scottish independence and comparing it to the Balkan states.
segano1 7 months ago
alex salmond is against english power in scotland if any country has a ethnic cleansing problem its england its national party english democrats is far right and snp r centre left scottish power for scottish
MrScottishJamie 7 months ago
Alex Salmonds a scumbag - GET HIM OUT!
davidrfc 7 months ago
this should be taken down comparing good old alex to karidich is down right illagal
MrFarmer86 7 months ago
Dragan, I think its great that you uploaded this video. I can see the analogy between the Balkans break up and the internal UK tensions since devolution. There is growing resentment over different healthcare, education and budgets in the UK regions. This can only create division. If you don't learn the lessons from the Balkan history you will be doomed to repeat it.
m1trekker 7 months ago
i fail to get the connection, this video should be removed, it's obviously false and DragonBulic1is the only racist here, and for a so called Yugoslavian your english is very very very good, bit suspicious, even your terminology is very very english, your using terminology a foreigner wouldn't use, sorry but your a fake, you lie, and your video doesn't make sense, it only angers good Scots, you have no place in our new country, if you don't like it please leave now.
inverkenny 7 months ago
I haven't heard the SNP make any negative comments about the people of England, Wales or Ireland.
Dragon555 7 months ago
Ridiculous, unfounded, disparate video that has only one message Negativity probably made by the anti SNP machine, which we will see a lot of in the next few years, no pro Independence Scot with a brain would take the message here seriously , the writer ( if the story is indeed true) is not even a Scot.
Azureecosse 8 months ago
Battles 800 years ago shouldnt have any relevance to people in the present day u.k.Same as ANGLO_ NOrman gangsters(Bruce) who murdered their way to kingship and raised armies from the Common people to help them Remain KING OF SCOTLAND?? how can anyne with any sense look up to characterslike that. or Bonnie Prince Charlie, another foriegn "would be King" MUST say the Hate is strong amongst SNP support,but a lot of its RELIGIOUS, but it cant be admitted as such YET......
NOVATICANWARS 8 months ago
Comparing Alex Salmond to Slobodon Milosovic... How very fucking moronic. You just make yourself out to look like that other moron George Galloway
stevenrhcp 8 months ago
And therefore came it, that the fleering Scots, To England’s high disgrace, have made this jig; “Maids of England, sore may you mourn,— For your lemans you have lost at Bannocksbourn,— With a heave and a ho! What weeneth the King of England, So soon to have won Scotland?— With a rombelow!”
FireEyedMaidOfWar 8 months ago
I don’t think that the remembrance of the peevish succession wars in Illyria will convince the Scots to abandon their quest for total independence! Plus they indulge in battling the English! Christopher Marlowe has informed to world in his fancy play Edward II how those Scots mocked the English with their defeat at Bannocksbourn:
FireEyedMaidOfWar 8 months ago
This video is complete english junk piece of work!!! It insults both serbian and scottish people both extremely mistreated by the TYRANIC LONDON IN THE PAST!!!!!!
Dinaricus 8 months ago
Jebote ti nisi normalan, uspoređuješ jedan ljevičarski SNP iz 2011. s našim balkanskim nacionalistima iz Devedesetih...
Translation : You're fucking crazy, you compare a leftist SNP from the 2011 with our balkan nationalist from the Nineties..
liviodefranza 8 months ago
As a Scot of Chinese descent I have no such worries. The debate is about the principle of subsidiarity, whether or not Scotland can govern herself better as an independent nation and not about race.
Bloodlovefreak 9 months ago 4
this video is wrong a probably libelous. The SNP are civic nationalists, not ethnic nationalists like the BNP or the Serbs.
peacefrog1916 9 months ago
I don't see anything wrong with patriotism, which is loving your country, not always because you feel it is better in some way, but just because it needs love! There are things wrong with Britain, but I still love it, and express this by my involvement in the community. Scottish nationalism is ok as long as it is not in its anti British, anti Union (but pro subserviance to the European Union form.)
britishfirstandlast 11 months ago
@Tam1297 I didn't feel like this when I heard constant abuse at us English from the Scots - assumed it was a minority. The 'anyone but England' thing I just thought was very petty and stupid but more of a case of sour grapes. OK, I don't hate all Scots (I'm living with a Scottish girl in a few months anyway), it was a backhanded comment and I'm sorry. I was just scared. I honestly couldn't care less if Scotland is independent or not as long as I am not targeted in any anti-English bullshit.
390904902 11 months ago
@Tam1297 Well, namely that I like Scotland, but don't want to be abused when going there. For example, when I heard about that kid, and about that girl who got partially blinded in Aberdeen I felt really genuinely upset and angry.
390904902 11 months ago
Dude, this isnt the 1300s. In today's globalised world it is numbers that matter. Small nations have no influence on how they want the world to be. Small nations are being and will be increasingly dictated to by bigger nations. Look at how Ireland and Greece have just been forced to put their country into huge debts that will last for decades.
NumberDne 11 months ago
Our local SNP branch has many easter european members and english members. english activists and polish activists among others, what a load of tosh you truly talk
kennymurrayglasgow 11 months ago
have a laugh its the extreme BNP nazi-heads who fired this up cant Stand losing scotland the country that finances london and its immorality whilst future social programs are put on hold for another 30 years trust BNP? trust downing st.? peaceful non-violent demonstration is all thats needed This lot want you to Lash Out! be mindful...india showed who was in control ultimately may it happen All over again in scotland
troddsy 1 year ago
Countries also have a right NOT to have independence.
Thank heaven for that!
olrepas 1 year ago
This is awful. The SNP is not a far right organisation it is a centre-left party and aims to improve the lives of all who live in Scotland whatever creed, colour, religion or nationality they are from. Comparisons with former Yogoslavia are insulting. It is possible to achieve independence without violence as Montenegro shows. Countries have a right to self determination under International law and anyway name a nation that regrets gaining Independence from London.
thenorloch 1 year ago
typical Britnat propeganda. They have no real arguments for keeping the union together and resort to fear and smear tactics every time. As a voter with a brain I don`t buy into it.
cjmastablasta 1 year ago 3
@cjmastablasta
Whats "Propeganda"?
mwillis1000 3 months ago
@mwillis1000 Propeganda is information or lies told by someone as a tool to further their cause. In Scotlands case it has been used to dumb down any aspirations of seeking a better future outwith the stinking union. ie we are too small, too poor, too stupid. Donald Duer famously said we would be as poor as Bangladesh when infact a secret document lay in London saying Scotland would be one of the richest nations in Europe if it took control of its resources. Unforgiveable!
cjmastablasta 3 months ago
@cjmastablasta a voter with a brain would never vote for a nationalist party pal
drizzil 22 hours ago
Shut the fuck up dickhead making a strawman out of this!
Look up the Highland clearances and then tell me about ethnic clensiing look at labour politiions calling Montenegro genociders.! If you don't like Scotland go to ENGLAND
ConCon75 1 year ago
lolol what utter drivel ' is this all you have lololollolololololollolol
MrStewart149 1 year ago
visit NEWSNET SCOTLAND
TheGd1314 1 year ago
Scots are the most politically astute of the Brits and that is why Salmon is now spinning the English.
arthur1411 1 year ago
43 up 88 down lol behead this video
MrScottishJamie 1 year ago
BULLSHIT!
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cameranzo1 1 year ago
So ill informed and so untrue.
BillDFC 1 year ago
Just recently i have been thinking there is a huge similarity between serbian ultranaionalists and SNP, the whole we own you but you dont own us viewpoint.
141target 1 year ago
Scotland should be given independence in my opinion. I'm English, but I think Scottish independence would benefit both nations.
PatchworkFlag 1 year ago 2
Whoever posted this video is a fucking disgrace. You are an ignorant little shit.
herbiemann87 1 year ago
Complete garbage. I was born in England and I vote SNP.
Scot's have nothing against the English. It is the British that are the problem. Unfortunately a lot of the British are Scots.
bobsparkie 1 year ago 2
@bobsparkie But we are all british on these isles. Long before there was ever wales scotland and england these isles were britannia (britain) we used to be one strong nation without borders. In my view, that is why we on these ilsles have always felt a close bond between us which pre-dates all this silly squabling about which side of the border our mothers gave birth to us.
NumberDne 1 year ago
@NumberDne Wrong the indiginus population were celts not british that was a name the Romans used . and they the celts were never a united group . dont try to change history to fit your own political bias .
MrStewart149 1 year ago
HA HA I fell sorry for the maker of this video not very bright are we now! Ths video really is awful no facts and no understaning of Scottish Natonalism! The SNP are internationalists are most people whop beleve in Scottish Indepence.
mullac1980 1 year ago
DraganBulic1 what a load of crap this is! scotland is not the same as the Balkans ?
MrFarmer86 1 year ago
How you can compare the independance of Scotland to the bloody war in the Balkans is beyond logic!!! We are the oldest nation in Europe and from all studies are the most tolerant of other races and religions. So to bracket Scotlands independance from a country we were at war with for on and off 1000 years. To even put Alex Salmond in the same video as Arkan and Milosivic shows how little you know! They are war criminals like tony blair and george bush! Find your facts before you post trash
flyscotsguy1975 1 year ago
You've obviously rattled a few cages judging by the thumbs down.
@br2387, your comment is the equivalent of 'some of my best friends are black'
DuncanMcA 1 year ago
Draganbulic- stop wastin yer time mate. Scotland has nothing in common with Yugoslavia. Scottish independence is about freedom, equality and justice. The opposite which happens to be the status quo is tyrrany and colonialism
tonytopcat83 1 year ago
LOL did 31 people miss the hate button!
cameranzo1 1 year ago
Salmond is no Milosevic, and Gibson is no Goebbels.
Scottish Nationalism is not that variety of Nationalism. It is civic nationalism. That's why the Asian scots have tended to vote SNP. They don't care what your ethnicity is! As a thanks to his English constitutients, the SNP MP for nan Eilean Siar flies the English cross of St George.
This is not about hate of the English. This is about love of self. This is about not wanting to be part of a fairly abusive marriage anymore.
QuietReckoning 1 year ago
shite
Georgebushbent 1 year ago
scotland is nothing like Yugoslavia ! that was utter nonsance
MrFarmer86 1 year ago
Dragan, I am an Englishman and a Unionist. I lived 4 years in Scotland and I believe that Britain should remain one nation. But although I disagree with the SNP, I have sufficient regard for the people of Scotland to recognise that if it comes to a parting of the ways, it will be done in a civilised and mutually-respectful manner by both sides. You are NOT in Yugoslavia any more - you are in Britain and we do things differently over here. Frankly, you are worrying yourself sick unnecessarily.
Superflonto 1 year ago
You've got issues sonny! The issues in the Balkans were a throwback to the days of the ruled as part of the Holy Roman Empire/Hungaro Austro Empire/Ottoman Empire, and the formation of Yugoslavia whilst ignoring the Religious and Territorial disputes that lasted for Centuries!
Scotland knows her borders, and respects her people, Religions, and those from other nations, and will not fall into the trap you guys exeperienced in the 90s.
Idiot!
sammylowrie 1 year ago
LMFAO!every comment on this video laughs at it and the stupidity of its author.heehee
m4rkyboy 1 year ago
Your comparison of Alec Salmond to any of the mass murderers portrayed in this tawdry piece of nonsense insults the very people who have welcomed you in to their country. Well Dragan, this just in, the war in Yugoslavia is over. Yes it's officially safe for you to go back there and continue your studies, and I am sure Rob Ó Maolalaigh can advise you over the internet. On the other hand, maybe the benefits agency isn't quite so generous!
Ginandor 1 year ago
To compare Alec Salmond with mass murderers is an insult to the very people who gave you a home when you left Yugoslavia. Well Dragan, this just in, the war is over at home, so maybe you should try politics in your home country, and leave us Scots to run ours, or are the benefits agency more generous here?
Ginandor 1 year ago
Of course the Scots hate the English. A brief summary of Scottish History give ample reason for that. It is a Universal human right that everyone is entitled to Nationality. The English have denied the Scots this for centuries.
TorquenaGeilt 1 year ago
This is truly the work of British state lackey's, Scotland is overwhelmingly a tolerant nation & the Scottish Nationalist Party open & inclusive. People should look at Scotland's ancient independent past before making these pathetic comparisons, the British state was put together for empire in 1707 & that is a fact. To be a true nationalist you first have to be an internationalist. Scotland will get there in the end, it is only the amount that we lose before we get there that is tragic.
Gersroolz 1 year ago
To compare the SNP to the BNP and Serbian nationalists is wrong and probably libelous. The SNP are Civic nationalists (left wing), the BNP and those Serbian nutters are Ethnic Nationalists (far right).
peacefrog1916 1 year ago
Yeah I dont agree with this. I dont see the racism thing here, unlike in the osuth of england. Lot of projection going on here and a lot of misinformation. Thumbs down,
RobGordon35 1 year ago
what a load of shit! Free scotland
MrJburt 1 year ago
@MrJburt
Despite having a Scot running the UK?
RioGeenes 1 year ago
The CIA and its friends broke up Yugoslavia. They used Moslem extremists to stir up touble. The SNP opposed interference by NATO in Yugoslavia.
xobyot 1 year ago
Im an SNP supporter but i wouldnt support what theyd say if anyone was gettin driven out of scotland itd be them it is also very funny as there is quite a few English members IN the SNP you just do not hear about them enough which you should
I know a few englishmen that are living in scotland would love independance for scotland and have a scottish passport
Scotland just like England is a mongrel nation we're made up of saxons and normans picts vikings purity has had nothing to do with scotland
Jafrokinski 1 year ago
If you think that we British are mongrels, then every race and nation on Earth is mongrel.
enzedbrit 1 year ago
i think you are mistaken. The SNP are not pro-scottish, anti-english im pretty sure they just believe that Scotland would be better if it was self-governed. However you do raise the point that there is two types of patriotism, one that loves your countrymen and the culture they have created and the other that hates all bar your countrymen and culture.
spincrib 1 year ago
The SNP are not anti-English in any way whatsoever, and support English independence as much as Scottish independence.
Stupid video, not worth watching.
PaladinX500 1 year ago
So Dragan (you devil) you deserted your own home country and you are a traitor to the land who took you in as a refugee....nice.
reginaDexant 1 year ago
Migrating and moving around in life to explore the rich earth is a noble thing to use a word like 'deserted' is Misanthropy.
One of the most gracious things you can do for a country is to criticise it. It shows you care for it and wish it too reach new heights
spincrib 1 year ago
SNP are left wing nationalists
and you know nothing about the Scottish/English rivalry . Yes there are a few in Scotland who despise Englishness ( not English people ) remember Scots get British nationalism and Englishness rammed down there throat every day . Also Scottish society has already been ripped apart thanks , thats before you got here btw .
1scot4scotland 1 year ago
as a Scottish nationalist i want to "love thy neighbour" and not go into illegal foreign occupations as the UK has done of late. The SNP stand squarely against violence and hatred
tonytopcat83 1 year ago
THIS FILM IS COMPLETE GARBAGE. Has this guy EVER read the SNP website?
speedyreidy27 2 years ago 2
In its heyday Yugoslavia (or greater Serbia as many non Serbs saw it) was responsible for some terrible ethnic cleansing itself, it didn;t need to split up into its constitient nations for that to occur. Indeed the dominant nation, Serbia in the Yugolsav Union was resposible for most the atrocities before and after the break up.
PtbaScot 2 years ago
fare enougn if you have seen war in what was yougoslavia but please do not try to understand for a minute what the scottish people have went through. Trust me, there isnt going to be any ''ethnic cleansing'' in scotland, Give us some credit alright pal ;)..but before you reply to anything why dont you brush up on your scottish history, we have every right to hate england
UrFavWorstNightmare 2 years ago
Oh come on man thats a tad ridicolous calling in hatred from the freakin feudal ages. The last war that Scotland fought against the English was the jacobite rebellion and they started by fighting other Scots and it was to restore a monarchy in Britain. Im for Scottish independance but i would be a liar and fool to say that Scotland joining the British empire didn't do remarkable things for us. The English are a lovely people and regardless of referdum would always be our friends
spincrib 1 year ago
The Jacobite rebellion was not a war between England and Scotland. It was a series of battles of ideologies and of religion, not England versus Scotland in the least. Britain already had a monarchy - there was no monarchy during the interregnum, at which time Oliver Cromwell was in charge, but that was a century prior to the rebellion. Scotland and England united before there was a British empire - the empire existed purely because Britain was united.
enzedbrit 1 year ago
wow wait a minute here, we have every right not to like the english. After centuries of oppression, invasion, theft, murder, rape the list goes on. We are intitled not to like our neighbours. This current union was nothing but a trick by england to gain more money and land. you can argue against it all u want but u dont actually know the truth about it. The scottish nobles and politicians that voted in favour of it where bribed by england. Its a lie. Fare enough if you have seen....
UrFavWorstNightmare 2 years ago
@UrFavWorstNightmare
Change the record. Do you really think that in centuries of conflict between England and Scotland, innocent English weren't killed and raped too?
Case in point; Alexander 2nd Lord Home, who on James IVs orders pillaged deep into England prior to Flodden. Do you think he politely asked his way through? Im the first to concede that aspects of Hanoverianism, such as the Pacification, were morally wrong and counterproductive but do not try implying that its all one sided.
WORLD8NSH5KNIGHT1 2 years ago
OK, maybe I was a bit harsh here.
390904902 2 years ago
This user has obviously jumped to conclusions " I overheard delegates from the SNP conference talking about their hatred of the English, how they wanted to drive them out of Scotland and made the country 'pure'"
Every party attracts idiots at times throughout their life time, you cannot let your view of a handful of people destroy a view of the SNP
If you seen five scottish people in kilts, drunk eating a haggis supper would you think that all scots are like that?
- Independent Saltire!
IndependentSaltire 2 years ago 2
i stopped listening to u as soon as i heard you were shocked people love there country, your a retard dude, hope u burn in whatever hell you belive in
lewismurray1 2 years ago
This Video is obscene. Patriotism is not racism. Scotland is a proud Nation admired worldwide for its rich culture, enlightened traditions and glorious history. We could discuss all day the economic and social impact of independence, (and incidentally i believe that on both counts we would be better off) but ultimately I feel its time Scotland relieved itself of this Union, which has rendered us subordinate in stature and inadequately dependent on our Southern neighbors. This film is pathetic!!
Eddiclight 2 years ago 2
Guess you'll just have to wave bye bye to free tuition fees and prescription charges. Oh well, we'll give you another chance, meet you at Culloden II.
SirDanielHayesMBE 2 years ago
Got to be a joke, america is better independent, so is scotland, fannys !!!
TheKingcamy 2 years ago
What a stupid comparison
sparky8620 2 years ago
I used to quite like the scots and scotland. Went there twice as a kid.
Now, no longer.
You guys hate us English enough to attack children? Women? Disabled people?
Judging by your reasons for hating us, I think that's reason enough.
You all disgust me.
390904902 2 years ago
I find it hilarious how a handful of idiots can sway your opinion on a nation. You clearly had dislike for the Scots before because you certainly don't begin to loathe a country because one or two fools do something stupid. Idiot.
scubbiesrules 2 years ago
Oh really? All I have heard from over the border (especially since the SNP started getting attention) is "English cunts" and "English scum". Now I didn't really think of it until...well, heard of Hugo Clapshaw? A guy attacked a 7 year old kid for wearing an England top!
390904902 2 years ago
Once again you're letting an immature prick influence you're opinion on the Scots. Let's fight fire with fire then, shall we? My friend was in London a couple of years ago wearing a Scotland shirt, and a passer-by spat on him. Now, I don't hate the English and I certainly won't let some fool make me hate them, but you are judging 5 million people on the behaviour of few. It simply isn't fair. I am a Nationalist but I don't hate you. All I want is for my country to be governed by our own.
scubbiesrules 2 years ago
Fine. I know it happens on both sides. All I'm concerned about is the possibility of the risk of being attacked in Edinburgh while doing something as innocent as going to the Edinburgh festival.
390904902 2 years ago
I was on my own in Dover when set upon by English football fans who heard my Scottish accent, kill the Scotch cunt was one of the screams coming from the pack, this was before the SNP were news.
PtbaScot 2 years ago 5
@PtbaScot You should go to wiki and type "Anti-Scottish sentiment" by the English, it's also known as "Scotophobia", it's seen as very uncommon and rare in other foreign countries aside from England.
There was a girl shot in the face in Bolton because of her Scottish accent.
segano1 7 months ago
@PtbaScot There have been a number of attacks on Scots in England in recent years. In 2004 a Scottish former soldier was beaten up by a gang with bricks for having a Scottish accent. In Aspatria, Cumbria, a group of Scottish schoolgirls say they received anti-Scottish taunts and foul language from a group of teenage girls during a carnival parade. An English football supporter was banned for life for shouting "Kill all the Jocks" before attacking Scottish football fans.
segano1 7 months ago
@PtbaScot One Scottish woman says she was forced to move from her home in England because of anti-Scottish feeling, while another had a haggis thrown through her front window. In 2006 a Student nurse from London was fined for assault and hurling anti-Scottish abuse at police while drunk during the T in the Park festival in Kinross.
All these incidents were before the SNP's great gain to power in 2007.
Of course there's been many many more anti-Scottish stuff before this as far back as 1800.
segano1 7 months ago
i don't think it's misinformed. i am a member of the SNP and I am aware that there is a small faction of Nationalists who think it's fun to attack the English. We are not an anti english party and all they are doing is holding back our independence. The person who made this film will never vote SNP so they have lost the SNP one vote
roryforbes1 2 years ago
I think this is the biggest load of ill-informed fear mongering and complete pish I have ever seen.
JammyDodger2012 2 years ago 32
patriots dont hate thier neighbors you twit.... true unadultered patriots hate those who oppress thier neighbor my friend...tyranny is a patriots only enemy... remember the true free europe when the people had personal responsability and less governance... well in the spots of europe where the patriots had the testicular fortitude to fight back!!!
Duden5714 2 years ago
This video is a load of pish the SNP have English MSP's ffs
br2387 2 years ago 22
Special thanks to the SNP press office for getting me a special pass for the gathering at Inverness. Despite best efforts have so far failed to secure interview with Alec regards his announcement that we wants to hold the balance of power in Britain as Clan Chieftan of Holyrood. Correct me if wrong, but does that mean he'd have SNP MPs at Westminster on that 'remote control' he's always moaned about. Mad, but still better than 90s Novi Sad.
DraganBulic1 2 years ago
Maybe if you knew his name which is NOT Alec.
JeannieTomlin 2 years ago
Who in the SNP Press Office gave you a 'special' pass? What day were you there? Why didn't you just pay as a day visitor? Are you a journalist? Any party with a large bloc of members can hold exceptional power over a hung parliament, why do you view this as 'Mad'?
What questions do you want to ask the First Minister of Scotland?
MontagueBurton 2 years ago
@DraganBulic1 absolute crap, got some personal agenda going on fore sure. No one can be that misguided. Thats some seriously warped thinking going on there to compare SNP to those. Go back to your postapocalytic bubble and romantise to yourself or get some help.
seaweedspecial2 1 year ago
Scotland is not Yugoslavia....and never will be anything like it...get a grip man.
BillDFC 2 years ago
No we would be more like Iceland...bankrupt...
VillaMan08 2 years ago
Just do what the U.K. government does....borrow billions more every month.
BillDFC 2 years ago
Havent we already done that when the Bank of Scotland was near collapsing so we needed bailing out by the Bank of England...?
VillaMan08 2 years ago
You mean the RBS. Northern Rock was the start of the domino effect caused by irresponsible lending and greed.
Scotland shall be free and will flourish.
BillDFC 2 years ago
Finally a video that makes fucking sense, and a bunch of ignorant neds have rated it down! Wars of the past are in the fucking past! Leave it! I'm British, and proud! Thee forgetting that there was just as much loyalism during the Jacobite uprising as there was nationalism! Many Scots preferred Britain then, and many of us do now! We're one of the richest nations in Europe thanks to Britain! Would we be without the English channel through which 95% of British/European trade is made?
Dan
dan892k7 2 years ago
And were would we be without the North Sea?
Cybopath 2 years ago
Ummm.... Norway?
dan892k7 2 years ago
I'd assume the poster meant the former trade with Norway, the military naval advantage and of coarse the oil reserves, oh and fishing industry. All things that served the UK.
rbrascal 2 years ago
I'm Scottish, never British.
But your nose out of Scottish politics you immigrant fuck!
chadstur1991 2 years ago
Wow. Aren't you an enlightened individual?
WhyCantIVote 2 years ago
You who made this video, u compare the wrong things, i am from croatia and i can draw a paralele between us and scottish, like we fighted our independence in '90 scottish are fighting it now.. this is how it works: ex yugoslavia=UK, serbians=english, so please dont compare serbians in your video with scottish, wrong side of equation..every nation needs independence otherwise they are repressed , like we were and like u are still from english..i support u, good luck scotland!
tomic1105 2 years ago
Lol omg you have it wrong. Drive out English politicians. Not some mad genocide. If any ethnic cleansing happened in Scotland it was at the hands of the British. Read about the Highland clearances. Think someone from Yugoslavia would understand, remember when the USSR ruled you?
Cybopath 2 years ago
The USSR carried out its crimes decades ago and people can still remember those horrors. The Highland clearances, on the other hand, happened centuries ago and everyone who was involved, on either side, is dead.
The UK does not compare to Yugoslavia.
WhyCantIVote 2 years ago
Who cares how long ago any crimes happened? Still doesn't stop the fact Scotland should be an independent country making it's own way in the world, Like France, Germany, Denmark or any other country not treated like some special needs case that has to be supervised by it's minder. And their is a difference between Scotland and Yugoslavia, you're right... Yugoslavia is FREE from the Russians.
Cybopath 2 years ago
If everyone who committed those crimes is dead then why should it remain a current political issue and not a historical one?
The argument about Scotland being Sovereign for the sake of being Sovereign can be applied to any collective (or even to individuals). It's completely arbitrary.
The SNP are just as statist as "New" Labour; they share the same ideology. That fact makes "independence" worthless to me.
The USSR does not compare to the UK (despite Labour's wishes).
WhyCantIVote 2 years ago
Who said the Highland clearances was a current political issue? The argument is that Scotland a country of over a thousand years old, with such a distinctive culture and heritage which was forced into a union 400 years ago can't come out of it now in more civilized times. That I a Scot can't show a passport in other parts of the world that says Scottish like a Frenchman, Irishman or Canadian can. that Scotland can't speak for itself in the UN or NATO, What is so wrong with that?
Cybopath 2 years ago
Where the US wrong to rebel against the British? Was it wrong that Hong Kong was given back?
Cybopath 2 years ago
The fact that it is being brought up in a debate about a modern political issue implies it is a modern political issue.
What nationality your passport has is a trivial issue; it doesn't affect its functionality (at least not between Scotland and any other EU member). It shouldn't even need to show any nationality in the first place.
It wasn't wrong for the US to rebel; they had no representation. It was wrong to put the fate of Hong Kong in the hands of Communist autocracy though.
WhyCantIVote 2 years ago
You're right why have nationalities?, I should just bow down to a British government like a good little boy, hey while we are at it why don't we just get rid of a British government and be ruled purely from Europe. That's it get rid of all countries and be ruled by someone in Brussels. Or go even further and just have a world leader eh. Maybe that Hitler guy was on to something? After all I'm just from a trivial little country I should be seen and not heard.
Cybopath 2 years ago
You're completely mispresenting my position. At what point did I say that European dictatorship was the answer to the world's problems? Your violation of Godwin's law shows you have nothing of substance.
I do not care where the government is run from I only care if it respects individual freedom and is smart enough to avoid interfering with the economy. A Scottish government has just as much potential to become oppressive as a British government.
WhyCantIVote 2 years ago
But why do you object to Europe running the UK? As long as they do it fairly? Its wrong for Scotland to object to being run by The UK(England) but its totally of the question to have England ran by a bigger power? Scotland has just as much potential to become as oppressive as a British government? So are you insinuating that the UK is an oppressive unfair Government?
Cybopath 2 years ago
To be honest if I have the choice of a British government screwing me over or a Scottish one screwing me over I'd rather have a Scottish one as its less insulting. Who knows what Scotland could become? A Socialist country? a republican country? but at least it would be responsible for its own success and failures, that is a right of any nation and shouldn't be asked for.
Cybopath 2 years ago
But I wouldn't be responsible for my own success and failure if it was a socialist country. If that were the case only the state would be responsible.
I want individual responsibility increased; simply changing what arbitrary collective I am a part of doesn't do that.
WhyCantIVote 2 years ago
Well it seems you don't CARE if we're an independent democracy or not. I don't get people who don't care yet make a noise about it, If we become independent the nationalists will be happy, people like you who don't care will be happy so we'll all be happy.
Cybopath 2 years ago
I wouldn't be happy if the nationalists win; that would leave the country in control of Labour or the SNP both of which are statist and left wing.
If the UK were to be devolved fairly then there would be 12 Parliaments instead of 4.
WhyCantIVote 2 years ago
Oh yea well lets have the Right Wing Tories back eh, they did Scotland so many favors. 12 Parliaments? There are only 4 Constituting countries in the United Kingdom. or better yet you should vote BNP, I'm starting to see why your so against Scotland now.
Cybopath 2 years ago
60Million people/5million people per parliament (the number represented by Scottish Parliament) = 12 Parliaments
The Tories are statist too but at least they are slightly more Capitalist than Labour
You have no idea what you are talking about. I am a Liberal Capitalist who believes in open borders; I disagree with everything the BNP stands for! They are Nationalist (which I just told you I am against), Socialist (meaning left wing) and Authoritarian. Ingsoc is a more fitting name for them
WhyCantIVote 2 years ago
Oh so you get a parliament for every 5 million people nothing to do with political government or anything it's a number thing now I see. So Canada must surely have 6 parliaments but wait a minute they have one, why is that? Oh I remember you have one Parliament per COUNTRY no matter what it's population is. But keep talking I hope others see this drivel and it strengthens their case for Independence. And hey if we do become independent you can always move to Dover, theirs no need to stay.
Cybopath 2 years ago
Canada has 13 legislative assemblies and they have the same powers as Scottish Parliament.
Call them Parliaments or Assemblies; their function is the same and it is not unreasonable to suggest that Britain be federalised like Canada, Austrailia or the USA.
My Drivel? Read your own arguments; you apparently thought the BNP was a Capitalist, Liberal group in favour of open borders.
WhyCantIVote 2 years ago
Again your referring purely to size, as in small countries are as important as small regions. like the USA has governors under a president but Congress is the main one and the President is the Leader. Do you think one state has more governors because it's bigger?
Cybopath 2 years ago
and if you compare Scotland to a state (Which I hate) you'd find the First Minister as more or less a Governor but for that Union to really work England would also need a governor and the four of them under 1 leader, that would at least be fair. Fairer for Scotland and a lot fairer for England. BNP see Scotland as a little region, not a country or a nation. This is clearly what the two of you share.
Cybopath 2 years ago
The BNP don't see individuals; they only see collectives.
WhyCantIVote 2 years ago
The bigger states have more legislators although not more governors. The Larger states (California, NY, Texas) also have more congressmen than the less populous states.
If the US were to be divided into 4 states using the population proportions of the UK then those states would be North California, South California, Texas and everywhere else.
WhyCantIVote 2 years ago
Guess that's why they have 50 not 4. What does splitting the United States into four have to do with governments? The UK is a lot smaller and made up of 4 countries, once Four Kingdoms, hence the name the United Kingdom. And 5 Mil per Government is a stupid thing to say, what about countries with less than 5 mil people, like Wales or New Zealand. Sounds to me like you wish their where no countries at all just a bunch of world wide governments.
rbrascal 2 years ago
Countries are so subjective anyway. England and Scotland don't really exist, there's no physical thing there that separates us, just your own state of mind and where the government tells us the line is drawn. I mean don't get me wrong, I'm proud to be British, and I think that nations DO have a clear difference in state of mind, and culture and history should be remembered and kept close to how we live. But separating yourself from someone else, because of a make-believe border? It's a bit sad.
dan892k7 2 years ago
I made the comparison to the USA based on population (which is more relevant); not land area.
I only said 5Million per devolved Assembly if the UK were to be federalised; it makes sense that each devolved Parliament would each represent a similar number of people.
Where the government rules from doesn't matter if it continues to enact the same policies. The SNP are just like Labour and they don't trust the people of Scotland.
WhyCantIVote 2 years ago
Because the EU is currently being run by unelected beaurocrats and it can change laws autonomously. If it had a constitution limiting government power which I could agree with then I might get behind the idea but as of today that seems extremely unlikely.
The current UK government (Labour) endorses statist and moderately socialist policies and so do the SNP. The SNP merely hide behind a mask of nationalism which they call freedom in order to make themselves appear acceptable.
WhyCantIVote 2 years ago
And the UK has been ran unfairly since it began. It's become fairer since its grown, no we're not occupied or ran by tyrants but is that to say its ok to run another country as long as you do it nicely? If the UK was fair their would be an English parliament and an English first minister. That way four countries would be equal but England = Britain. So that's not fair, the Scottish First minister is like the head prefect.
Cybopath 2 years ago
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The fact that it is being brought up in a debate about a modern political issue implies it is a modern political issue.
What nationality your passport has is a trivial issue; it doesn't affect its functionality (at least not between Scotland and any other EU member). It shouldn't even need to show any nationality in the first place.
It wasn't wrong for the US to rebel; they had no representation. It was wrong to put the fate of Hong Kong in the hands of Communist autocracy though.
WhyCantIVote 2 years ago
I know the guy who posted this video. I can tell you he is not a refugee and was in fact born in Scotland and is a scot. He has been a member of the Labour party to my knowledge is no longer. He is a staunch union man and this video is a pathetic attempt to get his argument across. Shame on you its up to you to admit you have lied or i will expose your name in a few days with evidence of who you are matey!
mullac1980 2 years ago
Can easily use blatant Historical comparisons to represent the SNP's reasons. Remember when Russia controlled the Ukraine under the USSR? When Germany controlled Austria under Nazi Germany or how about now when Tibet is controlled by China? There you go blatant black and white melodramatic comparisons.
Cybopath 2 years ago
free Scotland Ireland and Wales
trlax14m 2 years ago
Patriotism is one of the greatest things in the world - it lets people know where they come from and it lets people be proud of where they come from. Patriotism is not evil, it is good. I feel sorry for you if you have none. Please do not be so quick to judge an entire nation (which is paying for your stay here). If we Scots are so terrible, why don't you go?
WoodlandHunter 2 years ago 3
What a sorry video. The author who has come from a worn torn country is offered refuge and a safe haven in peaceful Scotland and rewards his new country by posting the worst youtube video I have seen in a very long time.
Get your facts right and get some counselling!
badfiddler123 2 years ago 5
You show the Scottish as monsters, yet you have no idea of our history or our suffering or what the english have done to our country.
Cosmosis7 2 years ago
this video is naiive-you cant compare scotland and its democratic ways with ethnic cleansing-it just isnt a relevant argument
chrisjoneschrisjones 2 years ago 3
What a pile of shyte. I don't believe your story either.
Davie1320 2 years ago 2
another shit video from another point of view expressed before even stopping to think about what is really going on in our country how about unionists stop listening to the lying government in westminster and actually wake up and do some fucking research before getting all self righteous!!
ramboice 2 years ago 2
Main point is we hate no one (well not all true we do hate some people I'll admit that without shame who stand against Scotland), yet the main problem that we hate is corruption in London, and how our voice can't be heard for OUR land, not england, OUR land, Scotland.
There was a show in BBC Alba I wish you to see sometime (for anyone, it's on youtube even) it's called Diomhair. It talks about how we have been yelling for independence for many many years and yet england has always covered it up.
clueforyou 2 years ago
Ummm, right and the you say we wish to kick the english out of our lands.....I'm fine with that.
It's not like they let us Scots just stay here in Scotland in peace...oh no they even tried to kick us out of our own land....yes this is old history but history leads the future.
Also just as SaorALBANoBas said about SNP member Bashir Ahmad. Yes, the proof is there, we hate everyone who is not a Scot. Now I hope you do enjoy living in Scotland DraganBulic1...I see your from Yugoslavia.
clueforyou 2 years ago
scottish nationalism has NOTHING to do with ethnicity.
teenagelifeinglasgow 2 years ago
This video confuses me a bit it shows war crimininals and depicts the SNP should it not show Tony Blair and Gordon Brown war criminals to the core and they should be brought to justice
mapkaz 2 years ago
LOL what an utterly retarded video.
Go back to where ever it was in Yugoslavia you came from. You have no understanding of western politics. Moron.
patrickyunblocked 2 years ago
Disgusting video.
1 star.
TheSpiaire 2 years ago 2
It`s only the political elite in Westminster and the majority of Scots voters who are scared of Scottish idependence.
Most English people I know have a growing apathy toward the minority of whingeing Scots and would be happy to get rid!
England is generally a vibrant and tolerant nation who have no time to waste in hating the Scottish.....not so sure about the history obsessed Scottish people though!
If you want to go it alone, then do it but please get a move on, it`s getting boring!
tavyred 2 years ago
The SNP aren't ethnic nationalists and to compare them to any party that is, like the BNP, is stupid.
spenceII 2 years ago 3