I think, both TVs took up too much Shugdenpa's propaganda. France24 TV's claim of "4 Million Tibetan" would "practice this religion", is plain wrong. From six Million Tibetans maybe 300.000 (???) or less may practice it. Shugden is only common in one of five major schools in Tibet, in the Gelug school, and there it is a minority practising Shugden worship. Moreover Shugden is no religion.
Hey, Shugden is practised worldwide. Tibet, Nepal, India, Mongolia, and many other countries. Definitely there will be four million people - and it is increasing in western countries where people have relative freedom from Dalai Lama persecution.
Beofre DL banned it Shugden was a major practise for most, if not all, Gelupas. anyhow many have signed the ban but are still practising secretly. In Chinese held Tibet I hear that it is very popular.
I can not say they are telling lies nor can I say they tell the truth. You take it to be true what they (or WSS) say, later people found out that the TV contribution has many inconsistencies (see documentary film by TGIE. The Shugdenpas I know are firm in their beliefs but tend to exaggerate and to spin events to present themselves as victims. When I saw the docu I wondered why Lamas are crying for a practice which is founded in conflict and schism - I felt this to much selfpity and selfcentred.
I refer indepth academic researches and not reports from hectic TV, radio or newspaper journalists always under time pressure and happy for a controversial story.
As I said "I prefer in-depth academic researches and not reports from hectic TV, radio or newspaper journalists always under time pressure and happy for a controversial story." I do not belief that both TV teams t "deliberately planned and rehearsed". They show some perspectives and some they don't show. If some shop owners make privately notices at their shop that Shugdenpas should not enter, this I do not respect at all. But this does not mean that there is Apartheid in Tibetan society.
Without the slightest doubt in the world Tibetan society now has official religious apartheid...thank you for bringing this up. You mention academic research. Of this there is plent to prove apartheid - see Ursula Bernis' research for example. Also at WSS site you will find a massive list of evidence as good as (probably better than) any academic research.
BTW there is nothing more true than the DL's bodyguards being so disappointed in him - these were the guys prepared to die for him.
I would like to ask ABCDIR are the Tibetans on this video telling lies?
Stop twisting the truth please. The Dalai Lama has made a massive mistake causing untold suffering. This Swiss documentary would be hard to repeat nowadays as the Tibetans have wised up to Western reporters - they recently tried to beat up a team of French reporters and smash their camera. Look at the riot in New York city 2 weeks ago inspired by the DL'awords...
The Shugdenpas completely misinformed the SWISS breakfast TV. They believing what Shugdenpas claimed, maybe even being happy about having a 'dirty' story - such things sell well, they claimed to put restriction on this (violent) practice is like when the pope would have forbidden Christianity to worship mother Maria! What a wrong claim and exaggeration. And this is the the core of this video and the WSS/NKT: exaggeration and putting spin on the facts while ignoring other point of views.Shameless
Hello. How about a few facts then? Since Jan 2008 thousands of Tibetans have been denied basic human rights eg no identity card issued becasue they worship the Wisdom Buddha. Result is they cannot buy food, cannot travel, their children are expelled from schools etc etc
I wish ABCDIR would just give some facts instead of spreading false rumours. Thank you.
This is your claim. Its up to you to give proofs. I doubt your claims. WSS claims also that "A mob of Thousands hostile Dalai Lama supporters" spat on them in NYC. A heavy exaggeration and lacking the context that Tibtans are really upset by the negativity and mud WSS flungs onto the Dalai Lama, which is from their point of view the kindest person to them.
They were upset by this bashing of their respected leader while their folk is really tortured and imprisoned in Tibet and WSS protests undermine his actions and weaken his position to China. So give proofs for your claim of "thousands with no identity card". "Thousands of thousands" exaggeration without limit that is WSS policy.
WSS are not being negative to the Dalai Lama. They are trying to help him realise his mistake. Our intention is compassion for so many people now denied religious freedom because of his words. If you check what he is doing precisely you will see he is abusing the faith of his own people. Such a shame.
Look at the video on the riot he inspired in New York City...phew. Ferocious stuff. Even the NYPD were surprised and shocked. But they complimented Shugden people's behaviour. Interesting.
Does the Dalai Lama or the Tibetans need the help of NKT/WSS? I doubt that. Did they ask for this help? How many Tibetans support WSS/NKT? This claim is of the same nature as that of the Chinese when they took over Tibet: We just wanted to help Tibetans to live in freedom. HHDL oppresses their freedom! While no Tibetan - maybe except some selfish ones - asked the Chinese "to help them" or to attack their leader. Lacking any compassion and sensibility you now even label Tibetans as a "mob". love?
The DL needs all the help he can get. If you see the pictures then you can see "mob" behaviour. Not their fault. Misguided by their political leader who dresses up as a monk - such a bad example of a monk. Truly shameful - inciting people to spit and throw bottles at peaceful protestors excercising their democratic right to free speech.
BTW when Thousands of Thousands Tibetans spat at WSS protesters - as WSS/NKT claims - isn't this a clear sign that they lack the support of Tibetans and that Tibetans disagree with them? So for whom NKT/WSS is fighting, Geshe Kelsang Gyatso?
Look at the film footage. Call the NY Police Dept. and ask them. And check out the sources that reported the DL "riling up" the audience at the end of his talk. Sounds like incitement to riot to me.....
Dalai lama is one big lair
alhdjh 1 year ago
I am believing that this guy doesn't deserve the Nobel Peace Prize. He is harming innocent people.
superCatia 2 years ago
Dalai Lama is great Hypocrit on the world !!!!
Dalai Lama stop oppression Tibetan monks !
Dalai Lama respect Human right !
Dalai Lama stop discrimination Tibetan monks !
Dalai Lama take a dialog with Dorji Shughen now !
Dalai Lama stop killing Tibetan monks now !
clavie05 2 years ago
I think, both TVs took up too much Shugdenpa's propaganda. France24 TV's claim of "4 Million Tibetan" would "practice this religion", is plain wrong. From six Million Tibetans maybe 300.000 (???) or less may practice it. Shugden is only common in one of five major schools in Tibet, in the Gelug school, and there it is a minority practising Shugden worship. Moreover Shugden is no religion.
ABCDIR 3 years ago
Hey, Shugden is practised worldwide. Tibet, Nepal, India, Mongolia, and many other countries. Definitely there will be four million people - and it is increasing in western countries where people have relative freedom from Dalai Lama persecution.
Beofre DL banned it Shugden was a major practise for most, if not all, Gelupas. anyhow many have signed the ban but are still practising secretly. In Chinese held Tibet I hear that it is very popular.
lionheart3724 3 years ago
Ha ha ha.
ABCDIR 3 years ago
I can not say they are telling lies nor can I say they tell the truth. You take it to be true what they (or WSS) say, later people found out that the TV contribution has many inconsistencies (see documentary film by TGIE. The Shugdenpas I know are firm in their beliefs but tend to exaggerate and to spin events to present themselves as victims. When I saw the docu I wondered why Lamas are crying for a practice which is founded in conflict and schism - I felt this to much selfpity and selfcentred.
ABCDIR 3 years ago
Personally I prefer the French TV team and Swiss TV team's reports over the TGIE propaganda.
You think France24 film is "spin"?!
See how those monks are bullied and pushed around just because of their religious belief.
Is that film and exaggeration? Was it deliberately planned and rehearsed? I do not think so.
lionheart3724 3 years ago
I refer indepth academic researches and not reports from hectic TV, radio or newspaper journalists always under time pressure and happy for a controversial story.
ABCDIR 3 years ago
As I said "I prefer in-depth academic researches and not reports from hectic TV, radio or newspaper journalists always under time pressure and happy for a controversial story." I do not belief that both TV teams t "deliberately planned and rehearsed". They show some perspectives and some they don't show. If some shop owners make privately notices at their shop that Shugdenpas should not enter, this I do not respect at all. But this does not mean that there is Apartheid in Tibetan society.
ABCDIR 3 years ago
Without the slightest doubt in the world Tibetan society now has official religious apartheid...thank you for bringing this up. You mention academic research. Of this there is plent to prove apartheid - see Ursula Bernis' research for example. Also at WSS site you will find a massive list of evidence as good as (probably better than) any academic research.
BTW there is nothing more true than the DL's bodyguards being so disappointed in him - these were the guys prepared to die for him.
lionheart3724 3 years ago
I would like to ask ABCDIR are the Tibetans on this video telling lies?
Stop twisting the truth please. The Dalai Lama has made a massive mistake causing untold suffering. This Swiss documentary would be hard to repeat nowadays as the Tibetans have wised up to Western reporters - they recently tried to beat up a team of French reporters and smash their camera. Look at the riot in New York city 2 weeks ago inspired by the DL'awords...
21perusal 3 years ago
how old is the monk who lead the dalai lama out of tibet?
bozman86 3 years ago
The Shugdenpas completely misinformed the SWISS breakfast TV. They believing what Shugdenpas claimed, maybe even being happy about having a 'dirty' story - such things sell well, they claimed to put restriction on this (violent) practice is like when the pope would have forbidden Christianity to worship mother Maria! What a wrong claim and exaggeration. And this is the the core of this video and the WSS/NKT: exaggeration and putting spin on the facts while ignoring other point of views.Shameless
ABCDIR 3 years ago
Hello. How about a few facts then? Since Jan 2008 thousands of Tibetans have been denied basic human rights eg no identity card issued becasue they worship the Wisdom Buddha. Result is they cannot buy food, cannot travel, their children are expelled from schools etc etc
I wish ABCDIR would just give some facts instead of spreading false rumours. Thank you.
21perusal 3 years ago
This is your claim. Its up to you to give proofs. I doubt your claims. WSS claims also that "A mob of Thousands hostile Dalai Lama supporters" spat on them in NYC. A heavy exaggeration and lacking the context that Tibtans are really upset by the negativity and mud WSS flungs onto the Dalai Lama, which is from their point of view the kindest person to them.
ABCDIR 3 years ago
They were upset by this bashing of their respected leader while their folk is really tortured and imprisoned in Tibet and WSS protests undermine his actions and weaken his position to China. So give proofs for your claim of "thousands with no identity card". "Thousands of thousands" exaggeration without limit that is WSS policy.
ABCDIR 3 years ago
WSS are not being negative to the Dalai Lama. They are trying to help him realise his mistake. Our intention is compassion for so many people now denied religious freedom because of his words. If you check what he is doing precisely you will see he is abusing the faith of his own people. Such a shame.
Look at the video on the riot he inspired in New York City...phew. Ferocious stuff. Even the NYPD were surprised and shocked. But they complimented Shugden people's behaviour. Interesting.
21perusal 3 years ago
Does the Dalai Lama or the Tibetans need the help of NKT/WSS? I doubt that. Did they ask for this help? How many Tibetans support WSS/NKT? This claim is of the same nature as that of the Chinese when they took over Tibet: We just wanted to help Tibetans to live in freedom. HHDL oppresses their freedom! While no Tibetan - maybe except some selfish ones - asked the Chinese "to help them" or to attack their leader. Lacking any compassion and sensibility you now even label Tibetans as a "mob". love?
ABCDIR 3 years ago
The DL needs all the help he can get. If you see the pictures then you can see "mob" behaviour. Not their fault. Misguided by their political leader who dresses up as a monk - such a bad example of a monk. Truly shameful - inciting people to spit and throw bottles at peaceful protestors excercising their democratic right to free speech.
21perusal 3 years ago
BTW when Thousands of Thousands Tibetans spat at WSS protesters - as WSS/NKT claims - isn't this a clear sign that they lack the support of Tibetans and that Tibetans disagree with them? So for whom NKT/WSS is fighting, Geshe Kelsang Gyatso?
ABCDIR 3 years ago
Look at the film footage. Call the NY Police Dept. and ask them. And check out the sources that reported the DL "riling up" the audience at the end of his talk. Sounds like incitement to riot to me.....
21perusal 3 years ago
BTW, the SWISS breakfast TV was broadcast a decade ago, don't blame me of spreading rumours.
ABCDIR 3 years ago
A very good programme telling the truth of this situation. Thank you.
21perusal 3 years ago
Very informative. A must watch.
egan1066 3 years ago