This is False Teaching. I am the prophet of Amos 3:7. Jesus Christ will return for His Church This Jewish New Year, according to the instruction gave to Moses in Ex. 1-2. Expect His return the WEEK OF PASSOVER 2012!
U r biblically correct. KJV 2 THESS 2:1-12, MATT 24, MARK 13, LUKE 21, JOHN 17:14-16, EZ 13:20 (entire: 16-23) ALL ST8 TRUE CHRIST RETURNS @ 7th AKA LAST TRUMP ("7,7,7" = 7th "Seal,Trump,Bowl"); however, the FALSE CHRIST & HIS FALLEN ANGELS/NEPHILIIM & TRIB COME 1stly @ "6,6,6" (6th "Seal,Trump,Bowl")! The false 1's coming PRETENDING 2 B cHRIST (666) b4 True Christ (777) PER THE ABOVE CITED PASSAGES. PRE-TRIB cRAPTURE "THEORY" =FALSE doctrine of men, serpents, & devils, & NOT FOUND IN SCRIPTURE.
As we all know, The Bible says..."And many will be deceived." As we all know, there are many people who believe they will not go through Tribulation.
It will be easy to get Pre Trib Rapture believers - to receive The Mark of The Beast . They will say... "It can't be the Mark of The Beast. We haven't been Raptured yet."
Imagine receiving The Mark of The Beast. Then imagine what it would be like to know you made a unreversable error.
There's no such thing as a "Rapture." There is an event known as "The Gathering" and it is on The Day Of The Lord, at the 7th Trump, just as the Bible says.
Both Jesus and the apostle Paul taught that the pretribulation rapture theory is false. Jesus taught that the resurrection will take place at the last day, at the end of the age (John 6: 39-40; Luke 20: 34-36). The apostle Paul taught that the resurrection will take place at the last trumpet (1 Cor. 15: 50-54).
The rapture cannot take place before the resurrection takes place.
Do you not understand that the last trump has nothing to do with the trumps of judgment?
John 6:40 is a part of the gospel and is therefore speaking to the 2nd coming. The MYSTERY of the Rapture was not revealed until 1 Cor 15:50-55. Paul REVEALED the MYSTERY of the rapture after the fact.
From now on respond to my posts directly and answer my questions I asked you.
What denomination are you Rev of? Do you believe Mary is corespondent with Christ? Respond to this here on this post
@777JEM333 Believers will be rewarded at the bema seat in 1 Cor 3:12-15 and that's why you see CROWNS on the heads of the Elders in Rev 4:4 and 4:10. That's why you see the REDEEMED from every kindred, tongue, people and nation in heaven prior to Rev 6:1
@777JEM333 You have been deceived in your apostate schooling. You are a replacement theologists to your own determent. When you see the rapture with your own eyes, then you will know you were deceived.
@777JEM333 I believe you to be correct. If people could get a bible the way it was written, without verse numbers. And they read it like the letter it was meant to be, I think it would take away alot of the confusion that the numbers in verses create. Cause most people think it changing subjects and its not. Thanks for the video, Peace2Ya
If we are the kings and priests of Christ then that means we are in heaven in Rev 5:9-10. Verse ten is very clear as to location of the kings and priests and they are in HEAVEN before Rev 6:1
Luke 21:28 says "when you see the BEGINNING of these things look up for your redemption draws neigh NOT the end of theses things. The previous verses are the things that the world will go through and not the church,
Rev 4:4 we are those with CROWNS and in Rev 5:9 are the REDEEMED of (EVERY) kindred, tongue, people and nation. Did you get that? REDEEMED of EVERY nation and we are there PRIOR to Rev 6:1.
Believers are a chosen people, a royal priesthood ... (1 Pet. 2: 9).
Believers who are alive after the signs in the sun, moon and stars and the shaking of the heavenly bodies will be looking forward to their redemption (Luke 21: 25-28).
The Bible talks about crowns for believers. Five crowns are mentioned. One crown is the crown of life (Rev. 2: 10).
@777JEM333 The believers in heaven at the moment I write this are SPIRIT! 1 Thes 4:14 makes it perfectly clear that Christ will bring back the spirits of the dead in Christ to rejoin them to their new raised incorruptible bodies
This literally means that those in heaven right now have not received their rewards of crowns because they need bodies to wear them. In Rev 4:4 the Elders have CROWNS and in Rev 4:10 they cast those crowns at Christs feet.
@777JEM333 If those crowns are for believers and are a part of the rewards as we both agree, then why are the elders wearing them in Rev 4:4? Those in heaven as I type this are SPIRIT and have not yet received their new bodies so the elders had to have been before the Bema seat and prior to the RESURRECTED!!! Rev 6:1 is Christ releasing the anti christ to set up his false kingdom. So, the elders are in heaven PRIOR to the tribulation WEARING their crowns as rewards!!!!!!!!
@Noffy1111 If you believe in a "Pre Day of The Lord Rapture", then you don't believe 1st Thess 4:15. If you don't believe 1st Thess 4:15, then you don't believe The Word of God. The real word for rapture is "GATHERING". The Gathering is on The Day of The Lord, which is at the 7th Trump, just as the Bible says it is.
@Hooverdarnit Paul did not know of the 7th trumpet because John did not receive the revelation until the book of Revelation until 96AD.
1 Thes was written WAY earlier in 52 AD by Paul.
Your Hermeneutics are really messed up. There is over 30 years between 1 Thes and Revelation. Paul had no Idea about the seven trumpet judgments prophesied by John some 30 plus years later..
Believers are a chosen people, a royal priesthood ... (1 Pet. 2: 9).
Believers who are alive after the signs in the sun, moon and stars and the shaking of the heavenly bodies will be looking forward to their redemption (Luke 21: 25-28).
The Bible talks about crowns for believers. Five crowns are mentioned. One crown is the crown of life (Rev. 2: 10).
Believers are a chosen people, a royal priesthood ... (1 Pet. 2: 9).
Believers who are alive after the signs in the sun, moon and stars and the shaking of the heavenly bodies will be looking forward to their redemption (Luke 21: 25-28).
The Bible talks about crowns for believers. Five crowns are mentioned. One crown is the crown of life (Rev. 2: 10).
If by replacement theology you mean that the church has replaced Israel, please read what the apostle Paul wrote in Ephesians 3: 1-6. THIS MYSTERY IS THAT THROUGH THE GOSPEL THE GENTILES ARE HEIRS TOGETHER WITH ISRAEL, MEMBERS TOGETHER OF ONE BODY, AND SHARERS TOGETHER IN THE PROMISE IN CHRIST JESUS (Eph. 3: 6).
The pretrib rapture is false for the following reasons.
1) The apostle Paul in 2 Thess. 2: 1-3 informs us that the rapture will take place after the man of lawlessness (the Antichrist) is revealed. That time is not pretribulational.
2) Jesus said that he will raise up all that the Father has given him at the last day (John 6: 39-40) which is not pretrib.
3) The apostle Paul taught that the resurrection of the righteous will take place at the last trumpet which is not pretrib.
If You really want TRUTH, watch how the pretribbers read the scriptures with much human reasoning, They do not just read the Bible as it is written, For example, they say 'God has not appointed us to wrath'' Tribulation and wrath are NOT the same word or thing.
I believe the pre-trib "rapture" is false also. I was raised to believe in it. Check out my 3 part series titled The Last Days, Tribulation & The Last Trump on my Lacybunny channel. Here is the link to part one. watch?v=VVPdZg9U3xw
I always tell people I do NOT debate this subject because there are too many arguments. I only state my position. I actually like the pan-stance. Everything will pan out in the end according to G-d's plan. :)
PLEASE READ 2 Thess. 2: 1-3 for the time of the rapture. Jesus said that he will raise up all those that the Father has given to him at the last day (John 6: 39-40). The rapture will take place at the last day which is at the end of the age. See Luke 20: 34-36.
You have every right to believe the way you want to believe...However, there is more than enough evidence in the scriptures to support a rapture of the church... We are talking his elect saints...The rest won't be ready, until they have been persecuted and martyred. The elect saints are seriously heeding the warnings in Revelations chap. 1-3 And are watching and waiting for his return... If you don't believe it to occur, then you are not one of those watching enthusiastically....
@reinwitgsus I'm glad you made those specific points. Because, your type of reasoning is a great example of what Pretribers believe. You just said that Jesus is coming back only for those who are watching and waiting and that the lesser form of Christians will be left behind to go through the trib as a form of punishment for not watching for his return. Some pretribers such as Gary Stearman go even further to say if your not watching and waiting you will be punished by loosing your Salvation.
Jesus said that He will raise up all that the Father has given him at the last day (john 6: 39-40). The resurrection of the righteous will take place at the last day, at the end of the age (John 6: 39-40; Luke 20: 34-36). Therefore the rapture will take place at the LAST DAY, AT THE END OF THE AGE.
@777JEM333 I have wondered what will be the reason why there is great falling away before the Lords second coming. Is it because life will be very difficult for true believers.
Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and [I saw] the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received [his] mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.- so the resurrection has to be after all have been martyred for Jesus Christ there is the answer
1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Rev 6:11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they [were], should be fulfilled. - dead rise first so all those should be killed must die first right
Please explain John 5:28-29 28, Do not marvel at this; for the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice 29 and come forth—those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation.
We know that the word of God does not contradict itself. You have not provided an answer as to the meaning of John 6:40 "And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in Him may have everlasting life; and I will raise him up at the last day.
What I am asking is that you would explain this passage.
Your comment "read1 Thess. 4: 13-14. These saints are not raptured but those who died in Christ." Sir the dead in Christ are asleep in the earth.
Isaiah 26:19, Daniel 12:2, John 5:28-29 and many other verses. I believe there will be a rapture. What is important is not that there will or will not be a rapture, what is important is to seek after the heart of God. To believe that we are all sinners and that God sent his only Son Jesus Christ to die on a cross that we may have life.
Please look at Zechariah 14:5, The Lord returns to earth with the saints. The saints had to have been raptured or they could not be retuning with the Lord Jesus.
adam.neusbaum@yahoo.com says: Angels of God are also called Saints & not the church only.
See Daniel 8:13 Then I heard one saint speaking, and another saint said unto that certain saint which spake, How long shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice, and the transgression of desolation, to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot?
Job 15:15 Behold, he putteth no trust in his saints; yea, the heavens are not clean in his sight. not talking about the church.
AMEN! No pretrib FIB rapture!!! You will be accepting a false messiah if you believe in pretrib rapture. Scripture says that the antichrist must be revealed FIRST.
Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
Now use your imagination for just a second: Close your eyes and think! Who in the whole world sits in a throne from generation to generation and is reverred as God? Ring kissing anybody? Oh & btw he changed your baptism!
There will be a rapture but it will take place at the last day, at the last trumpet, at the end of the age (John 6: 39-40; 1 Cor. 15: 50-54; Luke 20: 34-36; 1 Thess. 4: 16-17). The rapture cannot take place until the resurrection takes place.
[40] Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
[41] Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
Luke.17
[35] Two women shall be grinding together; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
[36] Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. I do not think that these occuances would happen in the middle or end of tribulation. I don't thing any will be working or grinding then
[9] Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it.
[10] For the stars of heaven and the constellations thereof shall not give their light: the sun shall be darkened in his going forth, and the moon shall not cause her light to shine.
Matt.24[29] Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
Zeph.2 Verses 1 to 2[1] Gather yourselves together, yea, gather together, O nation not desired;
[2] Before the decree bring forth, before the day pass as the chaff, before the fierce anger of the LORD come upon you, before the day of the LORD's anger come upon you.Zeph 2:[3] Seek ye the LORD, all ye meek of the earth, which have wrought his judgment; seek righteousness, seek meekness: it may be ye shall be hid in the day of the LORD's anger. God Bless No one knows the day and the hour exceptGod
Rapture=He comes in the air and does not touch the earth. Second Coming=comes with His Bride and does touch down. Just because u can not see it and u do not believe it does not make it not true.If u do not believe in the Rapture do not worry u will not make that event.U must believe and be watching. It is when He comes to take His Bride.The Father tells the son, go and get ur Bride.The earth will be here for the 1,000 years.There is so much hate from believers? for those who believe in Rapture.
I believe in the Rapture but I must also believe in what the Scriptures teach. The apostle Paul tells us that it will take place after the Antichrist is revealed (2 Thess. 2: 1-3).
According to the teaching of Jesus and the apostle Paul, the Rapture will take place at the last day, at the last trumpet, at the end of the age (John 6: 39-40; 1 Cor. 15: 50-54; Luke 20: 34-36).
In John 6:30-40 When Jesus says His Father wants Him to bring them back to life on the last day. I believe that the words the "end of the age," " and on the last day," could mean the time before the tribulation and the time after the revealing of tha antichrist then the Rapture happens. The 7 year tribulation period is a new period of death and war and people refuse or take the mark.
Luke.21[36] Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man. Before Jesus says this He explains what the tribulation will be like. Why would He say this if He didn't mean that His followere would escape it?
Could keeping from the hour mean that we will be strengthened spiritually. Jesus will raise up all that the Father has given him at the last day (John 6: 39-40). The last day will be at the end of the age not before the Tribulation begins. The rapture will occur at the last day.
"Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth."
This day has come and there is only one among you whom knows this and was thus delivered of it and this spirit you do not know.
i cant beleive all the people dont beleive the ressurrection of the christians. when a christian dies in christ instantly they go to the father. paul said your not gonna proceed the dead in christ because there already there. show me one peice of scripture that there is no reessurrection jesus said he is the god of the living not the dead.come on people read your bibles.
The Rapture will take place when the resurrection of the righteous takes place. So the Rapture will take place at the last day, at the last trumpet, at the end of the age (John 6: 39-40; 1 Cor. 15: 50-54; Luke 20: 34-36).
There've been lots of trumpets in the Bible that signify either to come or leave. Also look at the Feast of Trumpets. Last could mean the last of its kind of both the beginning and ending of an event or sequence of events. Jesus did promise he would return for us...His Bride. And to deliver us from the wrath to come. And that he would come back for us as a thief, unexpectedely and snatch us out. That settles it. Many Christians will be shocked and ashamed when the Rapture occurs. :(
Revelation 3:10 Christ promises to deliver believers from the hour of trial. it is important to recognize what believers are promised to be kept from It is not just the trial, but the hour of trial. Christ is promising to keep believers from the very time period that contains the trials, The purpose of the tribulation, the purpose of the rapture, the meaning of 1 Thessalonians 5:9 and the interpretation of Revelation 3:10 all give clear support to the pretribulational position
The Scriptures you mentioned could mean spiritual protection and not deliverance from the Tribulation. Jesus stated specifically that he will be with the church until the end of the age (Matt. 28: 20-21). The rapture will not take place until the end of the age, at the last day (John 6: 39-40), at the last trumpet (1 Cor. 15: 50-54).
It's obvious from reading Revelations, that Christ is promising to keep believers from the very time period that contains the trials, namely the tribulation. The purpose of the tribulation, the purpose of the rapture, the meaning of 1 Thessalonians 5:9, and the interpretation of Revelation 3:10 all give clear support to the pre-tribulational position. If the Bible is interpreted literally and consistently, the pre-tribulational position is the most biblically-based interpretation.
Behold you have come upon the hour of trial and I tell you being overcome you have sought to overcome. You are as the blinding leading the blind into a ditch and none of you will hearken to any truth but crucify any whom persist in telling you the truth.
John 17:15 is the benchmark. Christ said to Not remove peoples yet to keep them from the evils tht will go on. Acts 14:22 slams the door in the face of the man made doctrine of the rupture.
He said unto them,An enemy hath done this.The servants said unto him,Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up?But he said, Nay;lest while ye gather up the tares,ye root up also the wheat with them.Let both grow together until the harvest:and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers,Gather ye together first the tares,and bind them in bundles to burn them:but gather the wheat into my barn.
No - the Bible says the beast will rule all nations. In the O.T. there are other kings in the east and north - perhaps some Islamic states will rebel against him and perhaps China will - we cannot be sure but it is possible.
However they will lose against him, we can be sure his influence will span the whole globe:
Rev 13:16 And he causeth ALL, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads...
Not presently receiving audio, but I agree with your introduction.
The so-called "pre-trib rapture", or "secret" rapture is all pure conjecture done from twisting Scripture, and not at all validated there. I encourage all who disagree to PRAY for guidance to ALL TRUTH from the Holy Spirit (one part of His work!), and STUDY THE WORD out themselves, rather than relying on human (mis)understandings!
I have been studying on pre trib rapture for almost 6 years. I have come to conclusion in my own study in the bible that the pre trib is most accurate biblical teaching. You can disagree, and thats ok. I won't put down as most POST TRIBBERS do put PRE TRIBBERS down because they tend to think they are more rightious because they think that the post trib is better then pre trib.
Believe what you will, and so shall I. My Bible says too many "after the tribulation"s to cause me to accept a 500-or-so- year-old Jesuit philosophy that even the Roman Catholics fail to consider to be official doctrine or dogma. Even if it did, I still disagree with it.
There are no trumpets before the Tribulation begins. The apostle Paul tells us that the Rapture will take place at the last trumpet (1 Cor. 15: 50-52). So how could the Rapture be pretribulation?
Your god has not had a single success yet. He made perfect angels. He made perfect humans on a perfect earth. He had a perfect son. And ALL of them end up tortured and dead. He ends up with a few thousand buddies to lay around paradise with for ever while ALL the rest are destroyed or tortured for eternity. Has there ever been a bigger loser? Ever? And you are banking that THIS time, this one last time, God is gonna hit the ball out of the park for you? Good luck with that!
This is False Teaching. I am the prophet of Amos 3:7. Jesus Christ will return for His Church This Jewish New Year, according to the instruction gave to Moses in Ex. 1-2. Expect His return the WEEK OF PASSOVER 2012!
SoReadyToGoHome 3 days ago
The pre-tribulation rapturists hardly ever read from Revelations. It clearly says that believers will be persecuted by the anti-christ.
AlexKenas 4 months ago
U r biblically correct. KJV 2 THESS 2:1-12, MATT 24, MARK 13, LUKE 21, JOHN 17:14-16, EZ 13:20 (entire: 16-23) ALL ST8 TRUE CHRIST RETURNS @ 7th AKA LAST TRUMP ("7,7,7" = 7th "Seal,Trump,Bowl"); however, the FALSE CHRIST & HIS FALLEN ANGELS/NEPHILIIM & TRIB COME 1stly @ "6,6,6" (6th "Seal,Trump,Bowl")! The false 1's coming PRETENDING 2 B cHRIST (666) b4 True Christ (777) PER THE ABOVE CITED PASSAGES. PRE-TRIB cRAPTURE "THEORY" =FALSE doctrine of men, serpents, & devils, & NOT FOUND IN SCRIPTURE.
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Thanks for your comment. I wish you a great NEW YEAR filled with God's richest blessings. Keep being faithful to the WORD OF GOD.
777JEM333 1 year ago
As we all know, The Bible says..."And many will be deceived." As we all know, there are many people who believe they will not go through Tribulation.
It will be easy to get Pre Trib Rapture believers - to receive The Mark of The Beast . They will say... "It can't be the Mark of The Beast. We haven't been Raptured yet."
Imagine receiving The Mark of The Beast. Then imagine what it would be like to know you made a unreversable error.
Oops? Ouch!
Hooverdarnit 1 year ago
There's no such thing as a "Rapture." There is an event known as "The Gathering" and it is on The Day Of The Lord, at the 7th Trump, just as the Bible says.
Hooverdarnit 1 year ago
777 JEM333 Ooooohhhh!!! I see what you are saying now! You are correct from what I've searched out and read for myself.
dante75915 1 year ago
Both Jesus and the apostle Paul taught that the pretribulation rapture theory is false. Jesus taught that the resurrection will take place at the last day, at the end of the age (John 6: 39-40; Luke 20: 34-36). The apostle Paul taught that the resurrection will take place at the last trumpet (1 Cor. 15: 50-54).
The rapture cannot take place before the resurrection takes place.
777JEM333 1 year ago
@777JEM333, Your video makes me sleepy. :P
Nashhinton 1 year ago
Seems many have a different view of this important matter. This one I have to study more on.
dante75915 1 year ago
Do you not understand that the last trump has nothing to do with the trumps of judgment?
John 6:40 is a part of the gospel and is therefore speaking to the 2nd coming. The MYSTERY of the Rapture was not revealed until 1 Cor 15:50-55. Paul REVEALED the MYSTERY of the rapture after the fact.
From now on respond to my posts directly and answer my questions I asked you.
What denomination are you Rev of? Do you believe Mary is corespondent with Christ? Respond to this here on this post
Noffy1111 1 year ago
@Noffy1111 CORRECTION, do you believe Mary is CO REDEMPTRIX with Christ?
Noffy1111 1 year ago
Believers will be rewarded at the second coming of Jesus (Rev. 11: 18).
777JEM333 1 year ago
@777JEM333 Believers will be rewarded at the bema seat in 1 Cor 3:12-15 and that's why you see CROWNS on the heads of the Elders in Rev 4:4 and 4:10. That's why you see the REDEEMED from every kindred, tongue, people and nation in heaven prior to Rev 6:1
Noffy1111 1 year ago
Please read what Jesus said about the resurrection of the dead in Christ (John 6: 39-40).
777JEM333 1 year ago
@777JEM333 You have been deceived in your apostate schooling. You are a replacement theologists to your own determent. When you see the rapture with your own eyes, then you will know you were deceived.
Noffy1111 1 year ago
The Bible says, "WHEN THESE THINGS BEGIN TO TAKE PLACE ... (Luke 21: 28).
777JEM333 1 year ago
@777JEM333 Yes, when the BEGIN not at the END OF. We are those people and we see these things beginning as I type this. We are those in Luke 21:28.
Luke 21:28 does NOT say, when you see the END OF these things look up your redemption draws nigh
Noffy1111 1 year ago
PLEASE READ MATT. Matt. 28: 19-20.
777JEM333 1 year ago
@777JEM333 I believe you to be correct. If people could get a bible the way it was written, without verse numbers. And they read it like the letter it was meant to be, I think it would take away alot of the confusion that the numbers in verses create. Cause most people think it changing subjects and its not. Thanks for the video, Peace2Ya
JimmyCarol100 7 months ago
Some believers have died and are in heaven. Others are living and are on earth.
777JEM333 1 year ago
If we are the kings and priests of Christ then that means we are in heaven in Rev 5:9-10. Verse ten is very clear as to location of the kings and priests and they are in HEAVEN before Rev 6:1
Noffy1111 1 year ago
Luke 21:28 says "when you see the BEGINNING of these things look up for your redemption draws neigh NOT the end of theses things. The previous verses are the things that the world will go through and not the church,
You are in serious error sir.
Noffy1111 1 year ago
We are those in Luke 21:28 looking up for our REDEMPTION and in Luke 21:34-36 we are told to pray to be accounted worthy to ESCAPE.
1 Cor 3:12-15 is the Bema seat where we receive our inheritance and our rewards which includes CROWNS.
Rev 3:11 take care no man steals your CROWN.
Rev 4:4 we are those with CROWNS and in Rev 5:9 are the REDEEMED of (EVERY) kindred, tongue, people and nation. Did you get that? REDEEMED of EVERY nation and we are there PRIOR to Rev 6:1.
Noffy1111 1 year ago
Believers are a chosen people, a royal priesthood ... (1 Pet. 2: 9).
Believers who are alive after the signs in the sun, moon and stars and the shaking of the heavenly bodies will be looking forward to their redemption (Luke 21: 25-28).
The Bible talks about crowns for believers. Five crowns are mentioned. One crown is the crown of life (Rev. 2: 10).
777JEM333 1 year ago
@777JEM333 The believers in heaven at the moment I write this are SPIRIT! 1 Thes 4:14 makes it perfectly clear that Christ will bring back the spirits of the dead in Christ to rejoin them to their new raised incorruptible bodies
This literally means that those in heaven right now have not received their rewards of crowns because they need bodies to wear them. In Rev 4:4 the Elders have CROWNS and in Rev 4:10 they cast those crowns at Christs feet.
They have been to the BEMA SEAT!
Noffy1111 1 year ago
@777JEM333 If those crowns are for believers and are a part of the rewards as we both agree, then why are the elders wearing them in Rev 4:4? Those in heaven as I type this are SPIRIT and have not yet received their new bodies so the elders had to have been before the Bema seat and prior to the RESURRECTED!!! Rev 6:1 is Christ releasing the anti christ to set up his false kingdom. So, the elders are in heaven PRIOR to the tribulation WEARING their crowns as rewards!!!!!!!!
Noffy1111 1 year ago
@Noffy1111 If you believe in a "Pre Day of The Lord Rapture", then you don't believe 1st Thess 4:15. If you don't believe 1st Thess 4:15, then you don't believe The Word of God. The real word for rapture is "GATHERING". The Gathering is on The Day of The Lord, which is at the 7th Trump, just as the Bible says it is.
Hooverdarnit 1 year ago
@Hooverdarnit Paul did not know of the 7th trumpet because John did not receive the revelation until the book of Revelation until 96AD.
1 Thes was written WAY earlier in 52 AD by Paul.
Your Hermeneutics are really messed up. There is over 30 years between 1 Thes and Revelation. Paul had no Idea about the seven trumpet judgments prophesied by John some 30 plus years later..
Noffy1111 1 year ago
Believers are a chosen people, a royal priesthood ... (1 Pet. 2: 9).
Believers who are alive after the signs in the sun, moon and stars and the shaking of the heavenly bodies will be looking forward to their redemption (Luke 21: 25-28).
The Bible talks about crowns for believers. Five crowns are mentioned. One crown is the crown of life (Rev. 2: 10).
777JEM333 1 year ago
Believers are a chosen people, a royal priesthood ... (1 Pet. 2: 9).
Believers who are alive after the signs in the sun, moon and stars and the shaking of the heavenly bodies will be looking forward to their redemption (Luke 21: 25-28).
The Bible talks about crowns for believers. Five crowns are mentioned. One crown is the crown of life (Rev. 2: 10).
777JEM333 1 year ago
Also, I would like to ask, are crowns part of the rewards of Christs Bema seat?
Noffy1111 1 year ago
We are those in Luke 21:28 looking up for our redemption CORRECT?
What group of people are going to be Kings and Priests of Christ?
Noffy1111 1 year ago
If by replacement theology you mean that the church has replaced Israel, please read what the apostle Paul wrote in Ephesians 3: 1-6. THIS MYSTERY IS THAT THROUGH THE GOSPEL THE GENTILES ARE HEIRS TOGETHER WITH ISRAEL, MEMBERS TOGETHER OF ONE BODY, AND SHARERS TOGETHER IN THE PROMISE IN CHRIST JESUS (Eph. 3: 6).
777JEM333 1 year ago
do you beleive in replacement theology?
FLIPWORLDUPSIDEDOWN3 1 year ago
you shouldnt call them false teachers...they aren't willingly sending people astray..
i should call you a false teacher for calling them a false teacher..
man!
cant we all get along!
Jesus Bless you anyway!
:)
FLIPWORLDUPSIDEDOWN3 1 year ago
check out DR Owuor on here. the state of the church
rossdaboss1959 1 year ago
The pretrib rapture is false for the following reasons.
1) The apostle Paul in 2 Thess. 2: 1-3 informs us that the rapture will take place after the man of lawlessness (the Antichrist) is revealed. That time is not pretribulational.
2) Jesus said that he will raise up all that the Father has given him at the last day (John 6: 39-40) which is not pretrib.
3) The apostle Paul taught that the resurrection of the righteous will take place at the last trumpet which is not pretrib.
777JEM333 1 year ago
the pretrib is not false LOL
TheDoglover777 1 year ago
If You really want TRUTH, watch how the pretribbers read the scriptures with much human reasoning, They do not just read the Bible as it is written, For example, they say 'God has not appointed us to wrath'' Tribulation and wrath are NOT the same word or thing.
GodsSeer 1 year ago
I believe the pre-trib "rapture" is false also. I was raised to believe in it. Check out my 3 part series titled The Last Days, Tribulation & The Last Trump on my Lacybunny channel. Here is the link to part one. watch?v=VVPdZg9U3xw
I always tell people I do NOT debate this subject because there are too many arguments. I only state my position. I actually like the pan-stance. Everything will pan out in the end according to G-d's plan. :)
ExposedCults 1 year ago
PLEASE READ 2 Thess. 2: 1-3 for the time of the rapture. Jesus said that he will raise up all those that the Father has given to him at the last day (John 6: 39-40). The rapture will take place at the last day which is at the end of the age. See Luke 20: 34-36.
Blessings.
Joseph
777JEM333 1 year ago
You have every right to believe the way you want to believe...However, there is more than enough evidence in the scriptures to support a rapture of the church... We are talking his elect saints...The rest won't be ready, until they have been persecuted and martyred. The elect saints are seriously heeding the warnings in Revelations chap. 1-3 And are watching and waiting for his return... If you don't believe it to occur, then you are not one of those watching enthusiastically....
reinwitgsus 1 year ago
@reinwitgsus I'm glad you made those specific points. Because, your type of reasoning is a great example of what Pretribers believe. You just said that Jesus is coming back only for those who are watching and waiting and that the lesser form of Christians will be left behind to go through the trib as a form of punishment for not watching for his return. Some pretribers such as Gary Stearman go even further to say if your not watching and waiting you will be punished by loosing your Salvation.
CrackerJayherber 1 year ago
Jesus said that He will raise up all that the Father has given him at the last day (john 6: 39-40). The resurrection of the righteous will take place at the last day, at the end of the age (John 6: 39-40; Luke 20: 34-36). Therefore the rapture will take place at the LAST DAY, AT THE END OF THE AGE.
777JEM333 1 year ago
@777JEM333 I have wondered what will be the reason why there is great falling away before the Lords second coming. Is it because life will be very difficult for true believers.
eyeswideopenz 1 year ago
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Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and [I saw] the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received [his] mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.- so the resurrection has to be after all have been martyred for Jesus Christ there is the answer
thetruthimpart 1 year ago
1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Rev 6:11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they [were], should be fulfilled. - dead rise first so all those should be killed must die first right
thetruthimpart 1 year ago
Please explain, Daniel 12:2
2 And many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, Some to everlasting life, Some to shame and everlasting contempt.
Yes the dead are asleep in the earth
eyeswideopenz 1 year ago
Please explain John 5:28-29 28, Do not marvel at this; for the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice 29 and come forth—those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation.
eyeswideopenz 1 year ago
We know that the word of God does not contradict itself. You have not provided an answer as to the meaning of John 6:40 "And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in Him may have everlasting life; and I will raise him up at the last day.
What I am asking is that you would explain this passage.
eyeswideopenz 1 year ago
Your comment "read1 Thess. 4: 13-14. These saints are not raptured but those who died in Christ." Sir the dead in Christ are asleep in the earth.
Isaiah 26:19, Daniel 12:2, John 5:28-29 and many other verses. I believe there will be a rapture. What is important is not that there will or will not be a rapture, what is important is to seek after the heart of God. To believe that we are all sinners and that God sent his only Son Jesus Christ to die on a cross that we may have life.
eyeswideopenz 1 year ago
You wrote, "Since the dead in Christ are asleep in the earth."
What does the following Scripture say?
WE BELIEVE THAT JESUS DIED AND ROSE AGAIN AND SO WE BELIEVE THAT GOD WILL BRING WITH JESUS THOSE WHO HAVE FALLEN ASLEEP IN HIM (1 Thess. 4: 14)
Please read Phil. 1: 23.
777JEM333 1 year ago
Please read 1 Thess. 4: 13-14. These saints are not raptured but those who died in Christ.
777JEM333 1 year ago
Please look at Zechariah 14:5, The Lord returns to earth with the saints. The saints had to have been raptured or they could not be retuning with the Lord Jesus.
eyeswideopenz 1 year ago
adam.neusbaum@yahoo.com says: Angels of God are also called Saints & not the church only.
See Daniel 8:13 Then I heard one saint speaking, and another saint said unto that certain saint which spake, How long shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice, and the transgression of desolation, to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot?
Job 15:15 Behold, he putteth no trust in his saints; yea, the heavens are not clean in his sight. not talking about the church.
adamneusbaum1 1 year ago
@adamneusbaum1 You are incorrect
eyeswideopenz 1 year ago
Wrong again lol
Ricky31628580 1 year ago
You will be left behind then.
Ricky31628580 1 year ago
Great video...
tleonard706 1 year ago
AMEN! No pretrib FIB rapture!!! You will be accepting a false messiah if you believe in pretrib rapture. Scripture says that the antichrist must be revealed FIRST.
ascendingdove 2 years ago
adam.neusbaum@yahoo.com Did you say Antichrist?
And who might that be boys and girls?
2 Thessalonians 2:4
Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
Now use your imagination for just a second: Close your eyes and think! Who in the whole world sits in a throne from generation to generation and is reverred as God? Ring kissing anybody? Oh & btw he changed your baptism!
adamneusbaum1 1 year ago
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@adamneusbaum1 Take a look at Zec. 14:5. I am sure you will say the saints referred to here are not humans who at one time lived on the earth.
eyeswideopenz 1 year ago
I've been sounding this warning for years. See THE SECRET RAPTURE article on my wezand2 Profile.
wezand2 2 years ago
There will be a rapture but it will take place at the last day, at the last trumpet, at the end of the age (John 6: 39-40; 1 Cor. 15: 50-54; Luke 20: 34-36; 1 Thess. 4: 16-17). The rapture cannot take place until the resurrection takes place.
777JEM333 2 years ago
@777JEM333 this is incorrect the rapture takes place before the tribulation
megaman2160 2 years ago
Possibly at the beginning of tribulation after the revealing of the antichrist
lorijeans59 2 years ago
Matt.24
[40] Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
[41] Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
Luke.17
[35] Two women shall be grinding together; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
[36] Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. I do not think that these occuances would happen in the middle or end of tribulation. I don't thing any will be working or grinding then
lorijeans59 2 years ago
Then read verse 29 of Matthew 24 and notice after tribulation.
hardrockhouse 2 years ago
:Isa.13:9-10
[9] Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it.
[10] For the stars of heaven and the constellations thereof shall not give their light: the sun shall be darkened in his going forth, and the moon shall not cause her light to shine.
lorijeans59 2 years ago
I agree again GBU you know truth.
hardrockhouse 2 years ago
Matt.24[29] Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
lorijeans59 2 years ago
I agree.
hardrockhouse 2 years ago
they asked where these bodies are going read on and it states to the vultures! they are carcasses..ergo dead bodies..
tleonard706 1 year ago
Zeph.2 Verses 1 to 2[1] Gather yourselves together, yea, gather together, O nation not desired;
[2] Before the decree bring forth, before the day pass as the chaff, before the fierce anger of the LORD come upon you, before the day of the LORD's anger come upon you.Zeph 2:[3] Seek ye the LORD, all ye meek of the earth, which have wrought his judgment; seek righteousness, seek meekness: it may be ye shall be hid in the day of the LORD's anger. God Bless No one knows the day and the hour exceptGod
lorijeans59 2 years ago
Rapture=He comes in the air and does not touch the earth. Second Coming=comes with His Bride and does touch down. Just because u can not see it and u do not believe it does not make it not true.If u do not believe in the Rapture do not worry u will not make that event.U must believe and be watching. It is when He comes to take His Bride.The Father tells the son, go and get ur Bride.The earth will be here for the 1,000 years.There is so much hate from believers? for those who believe in Rapture.
snooky1942 2 years ago
I believe in the Rapture but I must also believe in what the Scriptures teach. The apostle Paul tells us that it will take place after the Antichrist is revealed (2 Thess. 2: 1-3).
According to the teaching of Jesus and the apostle Paul, the Rapture will take place at the last day, at the last trumpet, at the end of the age (John 6: 39-40; 1 Cor. 15: 50-54; Luke 20: 34-36).
Blessings.
Joseph
777JEM333 2 years ago
@777JEM333 you are correct! ...make no mistake people,...Christians will suffer....And it will b worse than in roman times....
wilatemodel 2 years ago
Thanks for your comment. Blessings.
777JEM333 2 years ago
In John 6:30-40 When Jesus says His Father wants Him to bring them back to life on the last day. I believe that the words the "end of the age," " and on the last day," could mean the time before the tribulation and the time after the revealing of tha antichrist then the Rapture happens. The 7 year tribulation period is a new period of death and war and people refuse or take the mark.
lorijeans59 2 years ago
Luke.21[36] Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man. Before Jesus says this He explains what the tribulation will be like. Why would He say this if He didn't mean that His followere would escape it?
lorijeans59 2 years ago
Could keeping from the hour mean that we will be strengthened spiritually. Jesus will raise up all that the Father has given him at the last day (John 6: 39-40). The last day will be at the end of the age not before the Tribulation begins. The rapture will occur at the last day.
777JEM333 2 years ago
revelations 3:10
"Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth."
This day has come and there is only one among you whom knows this and was thus delivered of it and this spirit you do not know.
sowaseedoflove 2 years ago
i cant beleive all the people dont beleive the ressurrection of the christians. when a christian dies in christ instantly they go to the father. paul said your not gonna proceed the dead in christ because there already there. show me one peice of scripture that there is no reessurrection jesus said he is the god of the living not the dead.come on people read your bibles.
foxracing1969 2 years ago 2
im with you keep it on ^^
im a pastor son ^^
and im sick of this people who do not belived the RAPTURE ...... hahaha could your change god to real God ^^
mordicai111 2 years ago
The Christians will face the Tribulation as well as the Non-believers.. The rapture before the Tribulation is a LIE!!
jtred31 2 years ago
The Rapture will take place when the resurrection of the righteous takes place. So the Rapture will take place at the last day, at the last trumpet, at the end of the age (John 6: 39-40; 1 Cor. 15: 50-54; Luke 20: 34-36).
777JEM333 2 years ago
There've been lots of trumpets in the Bible that signify either to come or leave. Also look at the Feast of Trumpets. Last could mean the last of its kind of both the beginning and ending of an event or sequence of events. Jesus did promise he would return for us...His Bride. And to deliver us from the wrath to come. And that he would come back for us as a thief, unexpectedely and snatch us out. That settles it. Many Christians will be shocked and ashamed when the Rapture occurs. :(
powermousey 2 years ago
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corvo9980 2 years ago
Revelation 3:10 Christ promises to deliver believers from the hour of trial. it is important to recognize what believers are promised to be kept from It is not just the trial, but the hour of trial. Christ is promising to keep believers from the very time period that contains the trials, The purpose of the tribulation, the purpose of the rapture, the meaning of 1 Thessalonians 5:9 and the interpretation of Revelation 3:10 all give clear support to the pretribulational position
MomandEmily 2 years ago
The Scriptures you mentioned could mean spiritual protection and not deliverance from the Tribulation. Jesus stated specifically that he will be with the church until the end of the age (Matt. 28: 20-21). The rapture will not take place until the end of the age, at the last day (John 6: 39-40), at the last trumpet (1 Cor. 15: 50-54).
777JEM333 2 years ago
It's obvious from reading Revelations, that Christ is promising to keep believers from the very time period that contains the trials, namely the tribulation. The purpose of the tribulation, the purpose of the rapture, the meaning of 1 Thessalonians 5:9, and the interpretation of Revelation 3:10 all give clear support to the pre-tribulational position. If the Bible is interpreted literally and consistently, the pre-tribulational position is the most biblically-based interpretation.
MomandEmily 2 years ago
you have to read second thess. to understand that the son of perdition is revealed first before are gathering together unto christ!
foxracing1969 2 years ago
Behold you have come upon the hour of trial and I tell you being overcome you have sought to overcome. You are as the blinding leading the blind into a ditch and none of you will hearken to any truth but crucify any whom persist in telling you the truth.
sowaseedoflove 2 years ago
Amen, Brother!
777JEM333 3 years ago
god bless you my friend keep giving truth dont let the world bring you down
aj3489 3 years ago
John 17:15 is the benchmark. Christ said to Not remove peoples yet to keep them from the evils tht will go on. Acts 14:22 slams the door in the face of the man made doctrine of the rupture.
robwiley01 3 years ago
He said unto them,An enemy hath done this.The servants said unto him,Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up?But he said, Nay;lest while ye gather up the tares,ye root up also the wheat with them.Let both grow together until the harvest:and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers,Gather ye together first the tares,and bind them in bundles to burn them:but gather the wheat into my barn.
Jerimiah10 3 years ago
Amen brother!
777JEM333 3 years ago
Dispensationalist Theology = ERROR!
GanEdenAustralia 3 years ago
Thanks for your comment. I guess they do not comprehend the significance of the New Covenant.
777JEM333 3 years ago
Because no servant is greater than his Master...I have believed preTribulation Rapture was just 'unbiblical optimism'...
I do fear for the souls of many who say they are Certain of preTribulation...
those I've presented with Truth of only Post Tribulation rapture just Don't want to hear otherwise.
Thank you for sharing...God bless you today!!
kkkkkkatherine 3 years ago 2
Do you believe the Powers of the Beast/ AntiChrist will be limited only parts of Earth? ie Middle East, Europe?
kkkkkkatherine 3 years ago
kkkkkkatherine:
No - the Bible says the beast will rule all nations. In the O.T. there are other kings in the east and north - perhaps some Islamic states will rebel against him and perhaps China will - we cannot be sure but it is possible.
However they will lose against him, we can be sure his influence will span the whole globe:
Rev 13:16 And he causeth ALL, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads...
1wingsolja 3 years ago
Not presently receiving audio, but I agree with your introduction.
The so-called "pre-trib rapture", or "secret" rapture is all pure conjecture done from twisting Scripture, and not at all validated there. I encourage all who disagree to PRAY for guidance to ALL TRUTH from the Holy Spirit (one part of His work!), and STUDY THE WORD out themselves, rather than relying on human (mis)understandings!
jkw733 3 years ago 2
I have been studying on pre trib rapture for almost 6 years. I have come to conclusion in my own study in the bible that the pre trib is most accurate biblical teaching. You can disagree, and thats ok. I won't put down as most POST TRIBBERS do put PRE TRIBBERS down because they tend to think they are more rightious because they think that the post trib is better then pre trib.
shinethelight18 3 years ago
Believe what you will, and so shall I. My Bible says too many "after the tribulation"s to cause me to accept a 500-or-so- year-old Jesuit philosophy that even the Roman Catholics fail to consider to be official doctrine or dogma. Even if it did, I still disagree with it.
jkw733 3 years ago 2
There are no trumpets before the Tribulation begins. The apostle Paul tells us that the Rapture will take place at the last trumpet (1 Cor. 15: 50-52). So how could the Rapture be pretribulation?
777JEM333 3 years ago
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