this is HORRIBLE! the BLM kills hundreds of horses and nobody does anything! i did a lemonade stand for The Cloud Foundation and for my birthday, instead of bringing me presents, all my friends brought donations. SAVE THE WILD MUSTANGS!!!!!!!!!!!!!
While I see the need to round up some of the horses to make sure that the land doenst get overgrazed and have the horses starve, there has to be a better way to round them up then making them run hard for miles on end. And those foals that were being loaded on the truck were not old enough to be away from their mothers. I think that they should find a different way to round the horses up that would be less stressful on them and less likely to cause injury to them.
The pilot is an ahole, no excuse for abusing the poor palomino. The horses are exhausted and so confused- until they get crammed together in the pens and then the trucks, then they start fighting for their lives! They have lost everything- their families, freedom and happiness- BLM/contractors are proud of the way they handle round-ups,? See the horses behind the woman fighting and banging in to the panels. I'd like to shove one of their sticks/flag where the sun don't shine!
What is the point of the helio-pilot shoving the already exhausted horse with the skis of the copter? This is OUTRIGHT animal abuse. This pilot should stick to crop dustin,...fucking asshole
This is terrible and it needs to stop, he thinks he has a hard days work sitting in a fucking helicoptor, killing inesent horses that wrote the history of the USA ,god it makes me angry, and im from the UK, they have no right.....President Obama is a fucking loser and doesn't know what he is doing, what a mistake and what a crime.. i hope that man get what he desevers a bloody horrible death thats what the man flying the helicopter needs to do is DROP THE FUCK DEAD "!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
This place is not to far by car from where I live. Now this Aussi guy, what he's doing I don't really know. I mean us Californian's would just go buy a rope. Anyway, it's quite a site. Now, I don't know if my Aussi friend Sally Ann and her husband Alan have tried this yet. She might have tried knitting a rope. That might have worked better. They might have at least lassoed the horse. Maybe Sally and Alan will reponded?
And FTR-people w/ the BLM are usually morons.Ranchers & people w/ horse & livestock experience should be doing this & not w/ a helicopter.
It's rediculous.But I need to repeat that these horses genetics are not pure in any sense of the word.They are just mongrelized gene pools. Doesn't mean they're not worth saving, but let's not pretend it's to save a unique species.
German hippologist Hardy Oelke discovered years ago that the Sorraia also lives on in certain strain of Spanish mustangs in America, as well as South American criollos, and proved this through mitochondrial DNA sequencing. The mtDNA analyses, done by a German institute for molecularbiological research, show that the amazing similaritiy of some mustangs and the Sorraia horse isnt incidental, but prove their genetic relatedness.
Sorraia-type mustangs have been found in several BLM Herd Management Areas (HMA) that consist predominantly of Spanish Mustangs, and also among horses bred within mustang registries like the SMR and SSMA. The BLM herds that have produced the most Spanish Mustangs and Sorraia Mustangs are the Kiger herd in Southeast Oregon and the Sulphur Springs herd in western Utah.
The Carter Reservoir HMA is located in Washoe County, Nevada with a small portion located in Modoc County, California. It stands isolated from other HMA's. This area is about 23,000 acres in size. An AML for this herd is currently being established at 35 head, with a range of 25-35 head.
Many of the horses in this area look much like the Kiger herd of Oregon, with strong dun factors including diluted dun coloring, dorsal stripes, barred or striped legs, and dark points. Blue roan and Frame Overo pinto are other colors found in the herd, all of which are characteristics of the Spanish mustang.
@RoamFreeRunWild All horse herds in NAmerica are 'unique' separate genes pools that eventually share EurAsian genetics,the origin of modern horses. The NAmerican horse came over on the land bridge by way of AK.Theice age cut them off & some survived a little while there, & some below the ice in NAmerica. But they all died out before the end of the Pleistocene. If you want to 'save' all the wild horses, don't do it on the public dime.
@TheBadger40 I'd really like to make it clear again here that horses died out in NAmerica during the Pleistocene.Anyone suggesting that current wild horse populations hold 'primitive' or 'ancient' DNA markers is not telling you that they are prob basing that off of 'calculated mtDNA mutation rates' which in reality cannot be calculated at all. There is NO ONE in geneitc research right now that can do this. There is no standard way to calculate such thing.
@TheBadger40 For anyone to suggest that you can prove the horse did not die out in NAmerica is lying.There is no such proof right now.&the genetic studies done on many NAmerican mustang herds does not support that.Again-you cannot state any accurate dating on a phylogenic tree.The ages that are used vary widely & are only supported by geochronological dating methods-NOT the dating of DNA mutation rates.Fossil evidence & genetic evidence does NOT support horses remaining past the Pleistocene.
Genetic testing by Dr. Gus Cothran of the University of Kentucky has confirmed that these horses have genetic markers unique to horses of Old Iberian descent - actually, they have more Spanish markers than the Kiger.
@RoamFreeRunWild Every member of any gene pool is 'unique'. These animals are not descended from any horse that was from a continuous indigenous prescence in NAmerica.
You cannot 'save' every species & member of every gene pool. These horses have to be managed & the govt should not be in the business of doing it. Horse slaughter must be brought back. It can be humane & is necessary unless you just want to shoot them & let their corpses rot instead of feeding people.
There are only four known markers that absolutely indicate Old Spanish ancestry. The Carter Reservoir herd has two of these, plus a third that is "probably" indicative of Old Spanish ancestry. It appears to be a stable herd over recent years, with no recent introductions of new stock. Dr. Cothran expresses concern over the extremely low AML, stating that genetic variability is likely to decline rapidly.
Caballado & Beringian(AK) mtDNA genetics are found in the current wild horse populations of America bcs those genes ORIGINATED in ASIA. There were 2 basic pulses of migration of the horse:the paleo version that went extinct in paleo times(beforeMammoths)& the versions man brought w/ thm.There's ur 'DNA' evidence.
Youre reading and research is limited as with all of us in the field (if we are honest). That's ok as there are no absolutes either way despite what you seem so determined to set forth. For additional views go to Systematics & Phylogeny pages 114-116 in Bruce Mac Faddens work entitled (short) Fossil Horses, Systematics, Paleobiology, etc., and ck the citations. There is a lot more to learn and discover here.
With all due respect, youre reading and research is limited. In point of fact, the existing research and fossil records are incomplete. As a starting point for some additional information please go to Systematics & Phylogeny pages 114-116 in Bruce J. Mac Faddens work entitled (short) Fossil Horses, Systematics, Paleobiology, etc., and ck the citations.
Another good read is: Is horse phylogeny becoming a playfield in the game of theoretical evolution? Véra Eisenmann, Paul Y. Sondaar, María Teresa Alberdi, and Claudio De Giuli, Journal of Vertebrate Paleontology, 1987, 7(2):224-229; and finally; Systematics, phylogeny, and the evolution of fossil horses: A rational alternative to Eisenmann et al. (1987) Bruce J. Mac Fadden, Journal of Vertebrate Paleontology, 1987, 7(2):230-235.
@RoamFreeRunWild Are you one of those people involved in trying to re-establish the Pleistocene reintroduction of megafauna into NAmerica, essentially turning parts of the continent into some kind of megafaunal park? The fossil research has nothing to show for making the argument that the horse never died out in NAmerica-no where. And the gentic story does not support this either.
Badger, get serious ok? 1) Of course not; 2) you are not setting forth the facts. The record does not show that the horse went extinct either. (Which is one of my points); 3) the genetics do support the fact that many of the Wild Horses in the HMA's carry the primitive markers.
@RoamFreeRunWild Again for anyone reading this, those primitive markers are from Iberia-Spanish horses imported by Spaniards.The genes are Ice Age relicts from the Iberian Ice Age refuge-not from N.America.
Now you are out of line and you are incorrect. The fossil record is incomplete with respect to horses. My God we are only just discovering that birds and dinosaurs have common ancestors and that an entire group of these animals were feathered. There is ample information / markers to point to the uniqueness of the bloodlines of these Wild Horses. In terms of being dishonest; I am not dishonest, far from it. Something is not true just because you wish it to be.
1) No one can prove that the horse went extinct beyond a shadow of a doubt. 2) The markers as I have said are primitive. Read my post completely before you respond. The central point is that these horses are not feral domestic horses, escaped from ranchers, etc. 3) The suggestion that we bring back horse slaughter speaks for itself. 4) Your assertion that they need to be managed is typical of the thinking that breeds circumstances like the one we are witnessing.
@RoamFreeRunWild These are feral horses domesticized from Spaniards, as well as mixing of other breeds.Horses being slaughtered for food is obviously an emotional issue for you.You are probably against hunting in all forms & a vegan as well.I have no problem eating horse meat. It's good & for those who like it,we have no right to judge.Animals have been slaughtered for food since they appeared-by each other &us(anothermammal).TheDNAmarkersyourreferringtoarefromSpain-nothereThatHASbeenestablished
@TheBadger40 This is obviously an idealogy for you.Freethematallcosts,I'msure.Managing a herd of prey animals is a natural thing to do&mustbedone.PeopleintheAmericanWestDIDeattheirhorses&somepreferredit.Justbcsyoucan'tunderstandwhysomeonewouldwanttoeatahorse does not mean you have the right to stop others from eating them.Iloveourcows like pets-butIeat them.Ialsotreat them humanely.I am an omnivore.Youhave no right to lecture me on horse slaughter.Itcontrolsthepopulation.
Now you attack my emotions and suggest that I am a liberal? Wrong on all counts. I am a freedom loving, meat eating guns in the truck American. I can rope, ride, and do so daily. I work with horses every day. Yes its an emotional issue for me. I can empathize with folks that are suffering, men, women, children and animals that are abused. Horses are better than most folks I have come to know. Any horseman knows this. They live in the moment; not stuck in the past or the future.
@RoamFreeRunWild Ineversaidyouwerealiberal.Iworkw/horses&cowsmyself.asafellowhorsewoman,Ilovethemmorethanmyhusbandprobably.But horse slaughter should beallowed.Theyarelivestock.Theyaremyproperty.Abuse should never be tolerated,but if I wanttotakea horse to get poundedout,thenthat is my right. Individualswhoshouldnotown horses need to be educated about thecommittment.But my right to slaughter a horse is no one's business, unless I am abusing it.Ithink we can agree on many things.
You can sit back and spout your pseudo science nonsense till you turn blue in the face, call me a liar and continue to ramble all you want on this webpage. The facts are the facts. Responsible folks will do the research and make up their own minds. You point to my emotions when I describe what I have witnessed. You are correct I still have them. I am a veteran, a professional, an American and a patriot. I thought I was having a discussion with a reasonable albeit misinformed individual.
@RoamFreeRunWild If I called you a liar,I apologize.ButI had no idea what to make of your incorrect assertions & the agenda that you have over this.I think we can both agree here that horses should be treated humanely.Youcando that & still use them for food.Iliketosee people use the passion you have to help animals w/commonsense solutions-not radical agendized ones. Asheartless as you paint me to be,Ihave 8 horsesI'vebeenfeedingforyearsoutofkindnessbcsIcan'tsellthem,butwon't abandon them.
@RoamFreeRunWild Neversaidyouwerea liar.But I must maintain you have no right to tell me that I cannot have my horses slaughtered. I own them & it is myright.Iamnotmisinformed.Being a veteran & a patriot should make you realize private property in an American right. Have a good day yourself.We will be calving soon&it'sa wonderful time of the year.Babycalves are sweet.
I have seen a lot of suffering and death. It changed me. It opened a place inside where I can hear so much more from all the things around me, including the horses. I can tell you that they are on a level of awareness not very far from our own. Historical horsemen have all discussed the Spiritual aspect that I am trying to describe. I can swear to you that it exists. I see it every day. Cont . . .
Tom Dorrance discussed this. He was a Nevada buckaroo in the best of Great Basin Traditions. Have you heard of him? I think that everyone can agree that what the BLM is doing is wrong. You are an articulate person. What would your solution be? Step by step, can you share it with me?
Great video showing the proper way to gather Mustangs. Sometimes with mustangs it is best to just back off and let thing calm down and then start over. These horses are a prey animal and man is the preditor in their eyes. As a BLM Mustang adopter of 8, I can tell you the mustang horses are a very trusting animal once they trust you. Many of the anti BLM videos are edited to show just the bad stuff. I am not involved whatso ever with the BLM, just a mustang lover.
"If people would get the facts and not the soap box information on many issues, this world would be a lot better. BLM Mustangs are really unique animals. Once they trust you and they know you are not going to eat them, they become very close friends and insist on being touched and handled and look to you for guidance. It is too bad that even in the horse industry there are people who call the mustang a dink. Yet these same people buy horses with the same sire 6 times in 5 generations."
speaking of ignorance - horses are native to north america they evolved here, check fossil records if you know what that is. i know how to take care of a horse and trauma is not the way. what do these mustangs have to do with your farm or ranch?????
As a geologist I have studied the fossil record: 31,000 years ago & 13,000 (approx). 2 modern horse species indegenous to N.America went extinct. The current population of 'wild' horses came from Spanish imports (1500s) & loose horses from settlers.
I love horses as much as people, but they are NOT people.
Having no background in large animal husbandry, most people assume that the thrashings of these animals is 'cruel' & must be stopped.
If you 'free' the horses, they will rapidly multiply like deer.
This is crazy.
But again, what you perceive as 'cruel' may in fact be the animal's natural instinct to escape & no matter how safe working pens are made, there will always be the opportunity for an accident.
BTW-there are 2 kinds of 'horse' people: those that use them as pets & those that use them for work.
People are so rude!! I get all mad when I see people come in helicopter and cars going to catch wild horses!! horses need to be free! people just cant get that wild horses are WILD!!!
i agree with some people here that wild horses should be left alone and all that shit but its how people out there make money, the horses get adopted and all that load of crap, no big. It how things happen in the world, get over it or go over there and do something about it
that is so stupid, do not catch wind horses, they like being free and if we catch all of them other horses will get desieses and will come close to being endangered.
BLM and helicopter people you suck - shame on you!
Start telling the truth.
If you wantto find out the truth go the The Cloud Foundation web site and read the actual BLM minutes to "kill" horses. Listen to all of Ms Kathrens radio spots, pay attention to the numbers and facts.
Real science, instead of that paid for by cattle and engergy tells a different story -
BLM - remember WMD, tobacco, war in Irag based on 9-11? BLM and others - you have been found out!
This is the stupidest damn video I havge ever seen & a lot of the comments are even stupider. When they passed the no slaughter bill it messed everything up, In southern Idaho, people that can't afford to feed these horses are dumping them out. Because of this stupid bill, these horses are suffering a slow painful death. The horses are oveerpopulating BAD. In 2002 The BLM removed 900 head off our family ranch in Nevada. I think they should let the "big, bad" rancher control them.
rollkurisbad, So true for domestically bred horeses.
These are wild horses, and when they were left to natural predation (cougars, wolves, bears) getting the young and weak and old, freezing winters, lightening, they managed their own numbers quite well on their own for 200 to 500 years. It is man who now messes with mother nature, hunts & kills the cougars then goes "OMG too many wild horses!" Now they pay millions of tax dollars for roundups - follow the money! And, too bad a few die.
Not true. You people have no idea what you are talking about. The horses go to good homes and there are inspections and requirements. I have been on 7 wildhorse gathers and all are professionals. You all make up a lot of crap. I have adopted horses also. Please find a new cause!
The news is full of wild horses that ended up in horrific circumstances. No BLM follow-ups no after purchase inspections. The BLM makes up facts to justify gathers. Go to the Fallon holding grounds, take the tour. Ask what happens to the foals. Ask what the plans are for the 300 pregnant mares. Ask why a foal laid injured on the ground for 2 days and was then destroyed, never examined by a Vet. Ask re the numbers that have died as a result of the gathers by idiots like the Cattoors.
@RoamFreeRunWild As I said below-there is no consistent reliable way to calculate mtDNA mutation rates. You cannot say that any wild horse here now is descended from a 'native'.Your emotionally horrid stories only reflect why govt should not be involved in these kind of ventures. This is why horse slaughter is necessary.Like it or not, some people like to eat horse meat just like people eat cows or goats etc.
Again, you have no idea what you are talking about regarding the horses, their ability to maintain themselves, their actual impact upon the environment or the many options out there to ensure their preservation. They are not starving, have you even been on any of the HMAs and actually seen the herds?
@RoamFreeRunWild Your Iberian genetics are the remnant of genes fromIce Age horses from the Iberian Peninsula-across the sea.Those genes survived in Spanish horses that were then brought over by the Spanish.Your argument using this Iberian genetics as evidence that the horse never died out in NAmerica is false.The genetic story of the mustang is decently documented & shows thisOn your comment I know nothing about horses, not all wild horses on all ranges are starving,which comes in diff degree
@RoamFreeRunWild That's your right-but unbiased paleontologists & geneticists will tell you you cannot use the fossil record or mutation rates to prove a continuous indigenous NAmerican horse population. You can say I'm wrong all you like. But there is no evidence to prove otherwise at this point.
It is dishonest to say there is evidence for this! I cannot be any clearer to people here.
mtDNA mutation rates cannot be calculated with any accuracy.When that happens, it will make headlines.
They don't bury them they ship them to Mexico where slaughter is still legal. Or a rendering plant, but burying would be a waste and a biohazard in those high numbers of carcasses. The unadoptable ones, that is.
they are forcing the horse into the chutes,,,,,you know they run some of those horses with newborn foals well over 30 miles!!!!! Some foals are lame by the time they make it to the corrals....its horrible....
You like to see creatures terrifed and running for their lives?! Why is this awesome? if the did it te way they SHOULD they'd use horses theselves and nt a $300/hr helicopter. And how shameless was that pilot? Sick callous bastards. NOT ALL those horses get adopted, slitmtn, many wind up on dinner platters in high-end restaraunts in ****ing Japan!!! Eat up, owners of Sunday Silence's progeny.
I adopted two wild horses this year from the BLM. Both are 2 yr olds and were 'gathered' together. They must have been so frightened to have been rounded up like that.
Both are doing well and are very much loved. I highly recommend adopting a wild horse. They are fun to train and are very loyal.
800,000 acres of public land at Twin Peaks. Mr. BLM states that there were "about" 700, nearly 800 wild horses in 2006. Wait, Ms. BLM says they counted 1700 head, management leveles are 448 - 758 with a planned gather of 900? Does anyone else see a number problem here? ...or is it just me.
A BLM researcher RE genetics said the poulations would have to be at least 100 horses per herd to have enough genetic diversity for survival. Most of the "herds" are statistically dead.
He also weighted herds according to how pure "spanish" they were. The more spanish the more valuable. Odd that even the red necks buy this arbitrary selection. It allows the BLM to eliminate all but the "valuable". How American! The remaining herds are essentially bred for potential adopters by the BLM.
The horses are a symbol of American's freedom. The fact that both sides of the argument are quoting "what THEY tell us," Just goes to show how helpless and stupid Americans have become. It's time we take a stand. Get these ridiculous lobbyists out of our head and take care of the country. Wild horses are not overpopulated. Their treatment in holding facilities is bad, and they are wild -not domestic in the least. Owners can train them, but only with great compassion.
I used to live only a few miles from the place they're talking about. I never saw any horses but that herd of burros used to hang out in my front yard : )
thats right they lie lie lie glad people dont believe the BLM. if they get to horses many they put down or make horse meat out of a hole herd they SUCK!!!!!
this makes me sick the BLM need to go easier on the old horses and the foals. on 2:17 thats just sad hes rushing him or her. he/she could be puffed,old or a Colt
Oh God this video makes me sick. 800,000 acres and 1,700 horses. That means that EACH horse has more than 470 acres! But these assholes try and convince us that they are overpopulated. What an F'ing joke. I also like the stallions fighting in close quarters with the others, foals included. It's great how they don't tell you what happens to the horses AFTER they are rounded up. Hmm...wonder if they are trying to hide the blood on their hands?
here's an idea why don't you geld them(I know there are ways to do it)that will help keep there numbers down, instead of rounding them up and half of them go to slaughter cause they can't get adopted.
Watch "The Wild Horse Redemption" and see what the BLM and some prison systems are doing to help place wild horses. B/4 criticizing get some facts, these horses are not going to slaughter, they're going to good homes. I don't like the copter rounups either but too many horses on too little land leads to disease and death most inhumane.
What a fuckin' asshat! Dude, it's one thing to do a necessary job of herding the horses. But, seriously, you crossed the 'douche-in-a-chopper' line by riding your skids on the palomino's rump. Did you actually think you were helping it along, you idiot? Crash and burn, buddy. Crash and burn.
Yeah! They should leave those horses out there to overpopulate a very sparse range and transmit excessive disease and parasites! The nerve of people trying to manage healthy populations of animals on limited resources and land!
If you are being rhetorical then your ass hurts Cheyenne.The Fuckin BLM and ecologists have literally rip the species apart with there lies.The sparsness that you talk about is bullshit.Where do you live in a fucking box?The disease and parasites they encounter are asshole bureaucrats and the people like yourself that listen to their fabricated bullshit.
This is pathetic get a life i hate people you fucking fagsss!!!!! leave the wild horses aloneee!!!!! and thats smart put them in a tiny ring idiots i hope ur helicopter crashes
In addition the gray horse actually slows down as other ridden horses come alongside. She either relaxes with other horses nearby or she is already used to people and ropes. Notice she does not jerk on the rope at all. She may even been at one time owned by someone. No horse likes being in a trailer until they are trained and expereinced.
All horses in the US are descendants of animals brought by human beings. They are not native wild animals. The horses that are gathered are adopted out with fairly strict guidelines. If allowed to breed and multiple 'naturally' they would overcraze, and the result would be starvation for horses and other species.
Thhougis just shows how cruelly our wild horses are treated. That poor gray horse was exalthausted yet she was hit by the skids and the en lassoed. Then they are terrified by beming put into trailors. It is hard to tell how many don't survive but are buried in ditches. read , "Last Of the American Wild Horses" by Hope Ryden. Meanwhile thousands of cattle and sheep ruin our western public lands but wild horses and burros get the blame although innocent as GAO report proved.
You people that believe that wild horse round ups are necessary in order to manage herds and population are really out of touch with reality.With less than 18,000 wild horses nationally remaining,it puts the wild horse species in a crisis.The balance between ungulates has been met along time ago. Round ups are no longer needed as a means of herd management.Wild horses do not breed like rabbits.They foal one at a time and on rare occasions they will foal two. These foals nurse up to 4 years old.
yeah, i have mixed feelings about the roundups. I mean, they keep the numbers down some it doesn't get too crowded or whatever, but it seems like bumping horses with helicopters and scaring them shitless doesn't accomplish much:)
It would be great if there were infinite land and food for all wild and feral animals. Failing that, men need to manage the herds somehow. They should do so humanely. Harmon rides very low and seems to be showing off as he bumps the one tired horse with his helicopter runners. Completely by the way they really are beautful animals, and this is some excellent footage.
PS ...taken to Fallon Nevada. Do a little search/investigation on the Fallon Feedlot and Palamino Valley. Also, watch Harmon "ride" that exhausted mare with the skids. Yeah, he flys low but above the law as a BLM contractor.
PLEASE continue to call, write, email and fax your reps and the Bush administration! We can succeed as Annie did but our work's cut out for us. Read the Nov. 2006 Vanity Fair article Running Scared. This great article thoroughly exposes the BLM.
Harmon crashed this winter rounding up the Nakotas. Not only was he WAY too low but literally running the horses INSIDE the chute! He nor his passengers were hurt and according to BLM statement, none of the horses were injured when the chopper rotor flew into the corral. Another amazing BLM wild horse "management" fiasco, your tax dollars at work (continued)
Fucking blm leave the wild ones alone or i vow the dam comunity to hell when im older..... there all going to die slowly in hell like the scum they are for touching the creatures of freedom, HOW DARE THEY
I am ashamed of the usa treatment of the wild horses. All the protection of 20 years ago is striped away and the numbers are culled from 1000s to less than 1 horse per 10,000 acres! Horses some with foals are run by helicoptor!
whats the matter with you people! On your auction site there are NO older horses anymore, you double brand the older ones and sell them to slaughter!
seriously, the BLM makes sure that their horses go to good homes- there's a process you have to go through before adopting. and, also, the only truly wild horse left are the prezwalski breed =] so, these horses dd have ancestors who were tamed, and i would much rather the blm get them than others. some of these mustangs even get put on other sanctuarys too. believe me, the blm is doing what is best for the horses.
These horses are feral, not wild, and have no predators to keep their numbers down. If humans left them alone eventually they would be overcrowded and many would die of starvation as the competition for survival gets tougher. There is simply no room. It's no ones fault.
i think for the most part people should just let them live in the wild. but f they do need to herd them they should use horses and like atv not helocopters
In my opion I hate this just leave them alone, horses first instinct is flight, when that helicopter flies overhead horse get so scared they will try to run over, jump over anything to get away. Mustangs break thier legs, foals drop down dead becuase of the round ups. but then if the horses gain in # they will get hit by cars to find food, people will lertary shoot them from there ranches. They need more land!
They are only horses. Lovely creatures but they don't really belong their. They have no natural predators and they need to be controlled. They are no more beautiful than deer imo.
I would much rather have 1000 mustangs gathered to be adopted out to loving homes then all of the mustangs be competeing against eachother for food and then all of them staving. I have a mustang mare and she loves her home. She has 300acres to roam on with 13 other horses and all the grass she can eat without worry of it running out.
NO STOP!!!leave them alone there fine.Ya it would be great but think us ppl take all animals and abuse them keep them in cages make them obay u,.do you think thats fun living in a cage then be beat until u do tricks right or dont walk beside your owner damn just fucking stop
Bastards should leave them alone.The only thing that is over populated is the millions of cattle that are destroying the land.Its not the horses.The genetics in this band of horses is ruined now!
The BLM has contracts with some of the US slaughter plants so they will be shipped to Europe for someone to eat!!! They only adopt out the younger, more easier to train ones!
The Bureau of Land Managment !!!!! The Bureau of Land Managment !!!!! The Bureau of Land Managment !!!!! The Bureau of Land Managment !!!!! The Bureau of Land Managment !!!!! The Bureau of Land Managment !!!!!
PEOPLEEE!!
THEY DONNNNT KILL THEM!!!!
THEY TAKE ABOUT 1000 A YEAR TO MAKE ADOPTABLE!!
THE HORSES ARE BEING KILLED OFF BECAUSE PEOPLE WANT THE LAND By OTHERS!! NOT THE BLM!
The BLM does an excellent job of caring for and adopting out the mustangs. Most slaughter horses are ex-show and race horses that have out-lived their 'usefulness'. Don't blame the BLM for horses slaughtered for food. Plus, these horses are not native to Northern America, so it's wonderful that we even still have the wild mustangs on public land.
I rescued an Ex race horse from the track auction where most were bought for slaughter..She was 5 yrs old! $500.oo. out lived their usefulness!! My friend has a horse that is 32 yrs old! Animals are just another waste product of the American people!
The horses have no natural predators.. they also look in beautiful condition.. they dont need more room in the big rig.. they want out.. they must be terrified.. its called survival..
Mustangs are the living symbol of the west.they were here lonng before humons got here.they used to live in heaven eating fresh grass sleeping in nice cool shades.Nickering in delight.But now they live in HELL!Just because ppl are sick and wrong they think mustangs are parasites eating off the land.And so now alot of ppl think its okay 2 slaughter beutiful creatures!!Those sick basterds!!
I'd like to round these people up and send them to the slaughter house. Worthless bastards! You'll burn in the worst places of hell for what you do. If I saw someone gun you down, I'd cheer and eat popcorn while watching the show.
this is HORRIBLE! the BLM kills hundreds of horses and nobody does anything! i did a lemonade stand for The Cloud Foundation and for my birthday, instead of bringing me presents, all my friends brought donations. SAVE THE WILD MUSTANGS!!!!!!!!!!!!!
mustangsaver1 6 months ago
i have 4 mustangs named cherry midnight and Jubi and any time a helicopter flys over head to put out a fire (we get a lot of those) they freak out
how can she stand there while those horses struggle behind her
bluesprucelacee 7 months ago
i have 4 mustangs named cherry midnight and Jubi and any time a helicopter flys over head to put out a fire (we get a lot of those) they freak out
bluesprucelacee 7 months ago
While I see the need to round up some of the horses to make sure that the land doenst get overgrazed and have the horses starve, there has to be a better way to round them up then making them run hard for miles on end. And those foals that were being loaded on the truck were not old enough to be away from their mothers. I think that they should find a different way to round the horses up that would be less stressful on them and less likely to cause injury to them.
erintubb 8 months ago
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site4pets 1 year ago 2
i am working on the petition as well. this is totally animal abuse
mustangsaver1 6 months ago
The pilot is an ahole, no excuse for abusing the poor palomino. The horses are exhausted and so confused- until they get crammed together in the pens and then the trucks, then they start fighting for their lives! They have lost everything- their families, freedom and happiness- BLM/contractors are proud of the way they handle round-ups,? See the horses behind the woman fighting and banging in to the panels. I'd like to shove one of their sticks/flag where the sun don't shine!
HeartHavenFarm1996 1 year ago
What is the point of the helio-pilot shoving the already exhausted horse with the skis of the copter? This is OUTRIGHT animal abuse. This pilot should stick to crop dustin,...fucking asshole
MuleKist 1 year ago
You jerk, a lot of work for you? What the heck do you think the horses feel, you idiot. You think this is good????YOU FOOL
jmhaze2006 1 year ago
This is terrible and it needs to stop, he thinks he has a hard days work sitting in a fucking helicoptor, killing inesent horses that wrote the history of the USA ,god it makes me angry, and im from the UK, they have no right.....President Obama is a fucking loser and doesn't know what he is doing, what a mistake and what a crime.. i hope that man get what he desevers a bloody horrible death thats what the man flying the helicopter needs to do is DROP THE FUCK DEAD "!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
GypsySkye94 1 year ago
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we have a right to round up horses now shut up you animal rights activist
MrJoshua2626 1 year ago
@GypsySkye94 ya, i agree that Obama should be stopping this. But, he has done some good things for the country. i think...
animalLuverify 1 year ago
This place is not to far by car from where I live. Now this Aussi guy, what he's doing I don't really know. I mean us Californian's would just go buy a rope. Anyway, it's quite a site. Now, I don't know if my Aussi friend Sally Ann and her husband Alan have tried this yet. She might have tried knitting a rope. That might have worked better. They might have at least lassoed the horse. Maybe Sally and Alan will reponded?
tammotsie 1 year ago
hey everyone against this, i think we should make a group for human slaughter and send them off for dog food for not leaving these horses alone.
westernrider46 1 year ago
@westernrider46 I totally agree with you..what have these horses done, but made themselve's a family......im on your side 100%
GypsySkye94 1 year ago
I hope you Crash you M F leave them alone in peace
1956PallMall 1 year ago
And FTR-people w/ the BLM are usually morons.Ranchers & people w/ horse & livestock experience should be doing this & not w/ a helicopter.
It's rediculous.But I need to repeat that these horses genetics are not pure in any sense of the word.They are just mongrelized gene pools. Doesn't mean they're not worth saving, but let's not pretend it's to save a unique species.
TheBadger40 1 year ago
German hippologist Hardy Oelke discovered years ago that the Sorraia also lives on in certain strain of Spanish mustangs in America, as well as South American criollos, and proved this through mitochondrial DNA sequencing. The mtDNA analyses, done by a German institute for molecularbiological research, show that the amazing similaritiy of some mustangs and the Sorraia horse isnt incidental, but prove their genetic relatedness.
RoamFreeRunWild 1 year ago
Sorraia-type mustangs have been found in several BLM Herd Management Areas (HMA) that consist predominantly of Spanish Mustangs, and also among horses bred within mustang registries like the SMR and SSMA. The BLM herds that have produced the most Spanish Mustangs and Sorraia Mustangs are the Kiger herd in Southeast Oregon and the Sulphur Springs herd in western Utah.
RoamFreeRunWild 1 year ago
Sorraia-type mustangs were also found in some other herds, like the Pryor Mountain herd on the Montana/Wyoming state line and several Nevada herds.
RoamFreeRunWild 1 year ago
The Carter Reservoir HMA is located in Washoe County, Nevada with a small portion located in Modoc County, California. It stands isolated from other HMA's. This area is about 23,000 acres in size. An AML for this herd is currently being established at 35 head, with a range of 25-35 head.
RoamFreeRunWild 1 year ago
Many of the horses in this area look much like the Kiger herd of Oregon, with strong dun factors including diluted dun coloring, dorsal stripes, barred or striped legs, and dark points. Blue roan and Frame Overo pinto are other colors found in the herd, all of which are characteristics of the Spanish mustang.
RoamFreeRunWild 1 year ago
@RoamFreeRunWild All horse herds in NAmerica are 'unique' separate genes pools that eventually share EurAsian genetics,the origin of modern horses. The NAmerican horse came over on the land bridge by way of AK.Theice age cut them off & some survived a little while there, & some below the ice in NAmerica. But they all died out before the end of the Pleistocene. If you want to 'save' all the wild horses, don't do it on the public dime.
TheBadger40 1 year ago
@TheBadger40 I'd really like to make it clear again here that horses died out in NAmerica during the Pleistocene.Anyone suggesting that current wild horse populations hold 'primitive' or 'ancient' DNA markers is not telling you that they are prob basing that off of 'calculated mtDNA mutation rates' which in reality cannot be calculated at all. There is NO ONE in geneitc research right now that can do this. There is no standard way to calculate such thing.
TheBadger40 1 year ago
@TheBadger40 For anyone to suggest that you can prove the horse did not die out in NAmerica is lying.There is no such proof right now.&the genetic studies done on many NAmerican mustang herds does not support that.Again-you cannot state any accurate dating on a phylogenic tree.The ages that are used vary widely & are only supported by geochronological dating methods-NOT the dating of DNA mutation rates.Fossil evidence & genetic evidence does NOT support horses remaining past the Pleistocene.
TheBadger40 1 year ago
Genetic testing by Dr. Gus Cothran of the University of Kentucky has confirmed that these horses have genetic markers unique to horses of Old Iberian descent - actually, they have more Spanish markers than the Kiger.
RoamFreeRunWild 1 year ago
@RoamFreeRunWild Every member of any gene pool is 'unique'. These animals are not descended from any horse that was from a continuous indigenous prescence in NAmerica.
You cannot 'save' every species & member of every gene pool. These horses have to be managed & the govt should not be in the business of doing it. Horse slaughter must be brought back. It can be humane & is necessary unless you just want to shoot them & let their corpses rot instead of feeding people.
TheBadger40 1 year ago
There are only four known markers that absolutely indicate Old Spanish ancestry. The Carter Reservoir herd has two of these, plus a third that is "probably" indicative of Old Spanish ancestry. It appears to be a stable herd over recent years, with no recent introductions of new stock. Dr. Cothran expresses concern over the extremely low AML, stating that genetic variability is likely to decline rapidly.
RoamFreeRunWild 1 year ago
Caballado & Beringian(AK) mtDNA genetics are found in the current wild horse populations of America bcs those genes ORIGINATED in ASIA. There were 2 basic pulses of migration of the horse:the paleo version that went extinct in paleo times(beforeMammoths)& the versions man brought w/ thm.There's ur 'DNA' evidence.
TheBadger40 1 year ago
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RoamFreeRunWild 1 year ago
Youre reading and research is limited as with all of us in the field (if we are honest). That's ok as there are no absolutes either way despite what you seem so determined to set forth. For additional views go to Systematics & Phylogeny pages 114-116 in Bruce Mac Faddens work entitled (short) Fossil Horses, Systematics, Paleobiology, etc., and ck the citations. There is a lot more to learn and discover here.
RoamFreeRunWild 1 year ago
With all due respect, youre reading and research is limited. In point of fact, the existing research and fossil records are incomplete. As a starting point for some additional information please go to Systematics & Phylogeny pages 114-116 in Bruce J. Mac Faddens work entitled (short) Fossil Horses, Systematics, Paleobiology, etc., and ck the citations.
RoamFreeRunWild 1 year ago
Another good read is: Is horse phylogeny becoming a playfield in the game of theoretical evolution? Véra Eisenmann, Paul Y. Sondaar, María Teresa Alberdi, and Claudio De Giuli, Journal of Vertebrate Paleontology, 1987, 7(2):224-229; and finally; Systematics, phylogeny, and the evolution of fossil horses: A rational alternative to Eisenmann et al. (1987) Bruce J. Mac Fadden, Journal of Vertebrate Paleontology, 1987, 7(2):230-235.
RoamFreeRunWild 1 year ago
@RoamFreeRunWild Are you one of those people involved in trying to re-establish the Pleistocene reintroduction of megafauna into NAmerica, essentially turning parts of the continent into some kind of megafaunal park? The fossil research has nothing to show for making the argument that the horse never died out in NAmerica-no where. And the gentic story does not support this either.
TheBadger40 1 year ago
Badger, get serious ok? 1) Of course not; 2) you are not setting forth the facts. The record does not show that the horse went extinct either. (Which is one of my points); 3) the genetics do support the fact that many of the Wild Horses in the HMA's carry the primitive markers.
RoamFreeRunWild 1 year ago
@RoamFreeRunWild Again for anyone reading this, those primitive markers are from Iberia-Spanish horses imported by Spaniards.The genes are Ice Age relicts from the Iberian Ice Age refuge-not from N.America.
TheBadger40 1 year ago
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Now you are out of line and you are incorrect. The fossil record is incomplete with respect to horses. My God we are only just discovering that birds and dinosaurs have common ancestors and that an entire group of these animals were feathered. There is ample information / markers to point to the uniqueness of the bloodlines of these Wild Horses. In terms of being dishonest; I am not dishonest, far from it. Something is not true just because you wish it to be.
RoamFreeRunWild 1 year ago
1) No one can prove that the horse went extinct beyond a shadow of a doubt. 2) The markers as I have said are primitive. Read my post completely before you respond. The central point is that these horses are not feral domestic horses, escaped from ranchers, etc. 3) The suggestion that we bring back horse slaughter speaks for itself. 4) Your assertion that they need to be managed is typical of the thinking that breeds circumstances like the one we are witnessing.
RoamFreeRunWild 1 year ago
@RoamFreeRunWild These are feral horses domesticized from Spaniards, as well as mixing of other breeds.Horses being slaughtered for food is obviously an emotional issue for you.You are probably against hunting in all forms & a vegan as well.I have no problem eating horse meat. It's good & for those who like it,we have no right to judge.Animals have been slaughtered for food since they appeared-by each other &us(anothermammal).TheDNAmarkersyourreferringtoarefromSpain-nothereThatHASbeenestablished
TheBadger40 1 year ago
@TheBadger40 This is obviously an idealogy for you.Freethematallcosts,I'msure.Managing a herd of prey animals is a natural thing to do&mustbedone.PeopleintheAmericanWestDIDeattheirhorses&somepreferredit.Justbcsyoucan'tunderstandwhysomeonewouldwanttoeatahorse does not mean you have the right to stop others from eating them.Iloveourcows like pets-butIeat them.Ialsotreat them humanely.I am an omnivore.Youhave no right to lecture me on horse slaughter.Itcontrolsthepopulation.
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RoamFreeRunWild 1 year ago
Now you attack my emotions and suggest that I am a liberal? Wrong on all counts. I am a freedom loving, meat eating guns in the truck American. I can rope, ride, and do so daily. I work with horses every day. Yes its an emotional issue for me. I can empathize with folks that are suffering, men, women, children and animals that are abused. Horses are better than most folks I have come to know. Any horseman knows this. They live in the moment; not stuck in the past or the future.
RoamFreeRunWild 1 year ago
@RoamFreeRunWild Ineversaidyouwerealiberal.Iworkw/horses&cowsmyself.asafellowhorsewoman,Ilovethemmorethanmyhusbandprobably.But horse slaughter should beallowed.Theyarelivestock.Theyaremyproperty.Abuse should never be tolerated,but if I wanttotakea horse to get poundedout,thenthat is my right. Individualswhoshouldnotown horses need to be educated about thecommittment.But my right to slaughter a horse is no one's business, unless I am abusing it.Ithink we can agree on many things.
TheBadger40 1 year ago
You can sit back and spout your pseudo science nonsense till you turn blue in the face, call me a liar and continue to ramble all you want on this webpage. The facts are the facts. Responsible folks will do the research and make up their own minds. You point to my emotions when I describe what I have witnessed. You are correct I still have them. I am a veteran, a professional, an American and a patriot. I thought I was having a discussion with a reasonable albeit misinformed individual.
RoamFreeRunWild 1 year ago
I see now that I was incorrect. One thing, I would not make a habit of calling folks liars, some of us take it personally.
RoamFreeRunWild 1 year ago
@RoamFreeRunWild If I called you a liar,I apologize.ButI had no idea what to make of your incorrect assertions & the agenda that you have over this.I think we can both agree here that horses should be treated humanely.Youcando that & still use them for food.Iliketosee people use the passion you have to help animals w/commonsense solutions-not radical agendized ones. Asheartless as you paint me to be,Ihave 8 horsesI'vebeenfeedingforyearsoutofkindnessbcsIcan'tsellthem,butwon't abandon them.
TheBadger40 1 year ago
As I have said, we disagree. I do not believe you are heartless. I need to get to the stock. I have a load of grass on the way. Have a good day.
RoamFreeRunWild 1 year ago
@RoamFreeRunWild Neversaidyouwerea liar.But I must maintain you have no right to tell me that I cannot have my horses slaughtered. I own them & it is myright.Iamnotmisinformed.Being a veteran & a patriot should make you realize private property in an American right. Have a good day yourself.We will be calving soon&it'sa wonderful time of the year.Babycalves are sweet.
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RoamFreeRunWild 1 year ago
I have seen a lot of suffering and death. It changed me. It opened a place inside where I can hear so much more from all the things around me, including the horses. I can tell you that they are on a level of awareness not very far from our own. Historical horsemen have all discussed the Spiritual aspect that I am trying to describe. I can swear to you that it exists. I see it every day. Cont . . .
RoamFreeRunWild 1 year ago
Tom Dorrance discussed this. He was a Nevada buckaroo in the best of Great Basin Traditions. Have you heard of him? I think that everyone can agree that what the BLM is doing is wrong. You are an articulate person. What would your solution be? Step by step, can you share it with me?
RoamFreeRunWild 1 year ago
All the best with your calving. I agree with you . . . it is a great time . . . you are blessed to have the life you have.
Tragically, the new and expected foals in Fallon (over 300 by BLM estimates) are not so lucky, given the folks charged with tending to them.
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RoamFreeRunWild 1 year ago
Great video showing the proper way to gather Mustangs. Sometimes with mustangs it is best to just back off and let thing calm down and then start over. These horses are a prey animal and man is the preditor in their eyes. As a BLM Mustang adopter of 8, I can tell you the mustang horses are a very trusting animal once they trust you. Many of the anti BLM videos are edited to show just the bad stuff. I am not involved whatso ever with the BLM, just a mustang lover.
idahowiskers 1 year ago
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"If people would get the facts and not the soap box information on many issues, this world would be a lot better. BLM Mustangs are really unique animals. Once they trust you and they know you are not going to eat them, they become very close friends and insist on being touched and handled and look to you for guidance. It is too bad that even in the horse industry there are people who call the mustang a dink. Yet these same people buy horses with the same sire 6 times in 5 generations."
idahowiskers 1 year ago
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idahowiskers 1 year ago
leave the wildlife alone!
MegaSkya 1 year ago
The poor foals feet on the rough terrain!!
Its sooo sad. :(
HorseyRoxsta 1 year ago
So much stupidity & ignorance here!
Made by people who do not live where these horses are & have no idea why they need to be managed.
These are domestic horses gone wild.
The horse isn't indigenous to NA.
Everyone here is thinking with emotions having no idea what it's like to take care of a large animal.
Go live on a farm or ranch & find out.
Then you'll understand why these horses need to be rounded up.
TheBadger40 2 years ago
speaking of ignorance - horses are native to north america they evolved here, check fossil records if you know what that is. i know how to take care of a horse and trauma is not the way. what do these mustangs have to do with your farm or ranch?????
dakotasparkle 1 year ago
I realize my words are wasted here.
As a geologist I have studied the fossil record: 31,000 years ago & 13,000 (approx). 2 modern horse species indegenous to N.America went extinct. The current population of 'wild' horses came from Spanish imports (1500s) & loose horses from settlers.
I love horses as much as people, but they are NOT people.
Having no background in large animal husbandry, most people assume that the thrashings of these animals is 'cruel' & must be stopped.
TheBadger40 1 year ago
I do not support abuse.
Rounding up & managing closed herds of animals living in areas that can only support X amount is absolutely necessary.
I work with large #s of cows & horses.
No matter how 'gentle' you are, there will always be the possibility for a wreck.
I imagine these roundup videos are totally taken out of context.
I have seen wild horse roundups before.
Wild animals will naturally freak out.
It happens in the sale barn ring.
TheBadger40 1 year ago
If you do not control these populations, they will wither & starve & die of disease.
Having a few well managed herds for asthetic value is fine.
Horses are not people & they are not your friends. They are animals & should be treated well, but not like people.
Since the govt is responsible for managing these animals, they often get idiots to participate in these roundups.
But oftentimes it is local cowboys who volunteer their time.
TheBadger40 1 year ago
If you 'free' the horses, they will rapidly multiply like deer.
This is crazy.
But again, what you perceive as 'cruel' may in fact be the animal's natural instinct to escape & no matter how safe working pens are made, there will always be the opportunity for an accident.
BTW-there are 2 kinds of 'horse' people: those that use them as pets & those that use them for work.
My gelding ranch horse is a family member.
TheBadger40 1 year ago
But not all of our horses are viewed as such & though treated with kindness & dignity, some have been pounded out.
This is a business.
They are livestock.
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RoamFreeRunWild 1 year ago
Free the horses
TripCity 2 years ago
People are so rude!! I get all mad when I see people come in helicopter and cars going to catch wild horses!! horses need to be free! people just cant get that wild horses are WILD!!!
IraLive1 2 years ago
i agree with some people here that wild horses should be left alone and all that shit but its how people out there make money, the horses get adopted and all that load of crap, no big. It how things happen in the world, get over it or go over there and do something about it
WonnaBeRockStar091 2 years ago 2
that is so stupid, do not catch wind horses, they like being free and if we catch all of them other horses will get desieses and will come close to being endangered.
HEYZWHATSZUPZ21 2 years ago
BLM and helicopter people you suck - shame on you!
Start telling the truth.
If you wantto find out the truth go the The Cloud Foundation web site and read the actual BLM minutes to "kill" horses. Listen to all of Ms Kathrens radio spots, pay attention to the numbers and facts.
Real science, instead of that paid for by cattle and engergy tells a different story -
BLM - remember WMD, tobacco, war in Irag based on 9-11? BLM and others - you have been found out!
TheWildhorses10 2 years ago
This is the stupidest damn video I havge ever seen & a lot of the comments are even stupider. When they passed the no slaughter bill it messed everything up, In southern Idaho, people that can't afford to feed these horses are dumping them out. Because of this stupid bill, these horses are suffering a slow painful death. The horses are oveerpopulating BAD. In 2002 The BLM removed 900 head off our family ranch in Nevada. I think they should let the "big, bad" rancher control them.
Timberoncowboy 2 years ago
Or breed less horses, maybe? Anyone thought of that? The Thoroughbred industry had its smallest foal crop in 20 years, they got the point.
rollkurisbad 2 years ago 2
rollkurisbad, So true for domestically bred horeses.
These are wild horses, and when they were left to natural predation (cougars, wolves, bears) getting the young and weak and old, freezing winters, lightening, they managed their own numbers quite well on their own for 200 to 500 years. It is man who now messes with mother nature, hunts & kills the cougars then goes "OMG too many wild horses!" Now they pay millions of tax dollars for roundups - follow the money! And, too bad a few die.
TheWildhorses10 2 years ago 2
Touchy feely people with no idea what life for these animals in an overpopulated range: that is what we have here.
We do not ranch where there are wild horses, but we have deer that depradate our hay & that is a pain.
Ranchers are the true environmentalists.
For heaven's sake, I have been feeding the starving deer some of my best 2nd cutting alfalfa bcs I feel sorry for them.
What a 'bad' unfeeling rancher I am.
Timber-you are right on.
City folks will be the death of agriculture.
TheBadger40 1 year ago
yeah but what do they care? All their groceries come from the store............
you are right on your first comment badger, almost all of these "poor starving wild horses" are ex calvary horses with blood tests to prove it.
HorseyRoxta, you are a waste of the air I breathe. Wild horse's feet adapt to the terrain. Ask any horse shoer (farrier) with any sense.
Timberoncowboy 1 year ago
LOL! ignorance gone to seed! And I love how I'm lectured on the fossil record. Course, no on knows I'm a geologist-science teacher-rancher's wife.
Living w/ life & death evryday gives you real perspective: something a lot of people her don't have.
Keep telling people the truth Timber-someone might actually listen to you!
TheBadger40 1 year ago
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RoamFreeRunWild 1 year ago
What happens when they get to Fallon, NV? Auction? Relocation?
shadoesoul 2 years ago
they put them down and burry them its so sad
WeStErNhOrSeRiDeR5 2 years ago
Not true. You people have no idea what you are talking about. The horses go to good homes and there are inspections and requirements. I have been on 7 wildhorse gathers and all are professionals. You all make up a lot of crap. I have adopted horses also. Please find a new cause!
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RoamFreeRunWild 1 year ago
The news is full of wild horses that ended up in horrific circumstances. No BLM follow-ups no after purchase inspections. The BLM makes up facts to justify gathers. Go to the Fallon holding grounds, take the tour. Ask what happens to the foals. Ask what the plans are for the 300 pregnant mares. Ask why a foal laid injured on the ground for 2 days and was then destroyed, never examined by a Vet. Ask re the numbers that have died as a result of the gathers by idiots like the Cattoors.
RoamFreeRunWild 1 year ago
@RoamFreeRunWild As I said below-there is no consistent reliable way to calculate mtDNA mutation rates. You cannot say that any wild horse here now is descended from a 'native'.Your emotionally horrid stories only reflect why govt should not be involved in these kind of ventures. This is why horse slaughter is necessary.Like it or not, some people like to eat horse meat just like people eat cows or goats etc.
All prey animals must be managed.
TheBadger40 1 year ago
Again, you have no idea what you are talking about regarding the horses, their ability to maintain themselves, their actual impact upon the environment or the many options out there to ensure their preservation. They are not starving, have you even been on any of the HMAs and actually seen the herds?
RoamFreeRunWild 1 year ago
@RoamFreeRunWild Your Iberian genetics are the remnant of genes fromIce Age horses from the Iberian Peninsula-across the sea.Those genes survived in Spanish horses that were then brought over by the Spanish.Your argument using this Iberian genetics as evidence that the horse never died out in NAmerica is false.The genetic story of the mustang is decently documented & shows thisOn your comment I know nothing about horses, not all wild horses on all ranges are starving,which comes in diff degree
TheBadger40 1 year ago
Badger, we disagree on all of your points.
RoamFreeRunWild 1 year ago
@RoamFreeRunWild That's your right-but unbiased paleontologists & geneticists will tell you you cannot use the fossil record or mutation rates to prove a continuous indigenous NAmerican horse population. You can say I'm wrong all you like. But there is no evidence to prove otherwise at this point.
It is dishonest to say there is evidence for this! I cannot be any clearer to people here.
mtDNA mutation rates cannot be calculated with any accuracy.When that happens, it will make headlines.
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RoamFreeRunWild 1 year ago
They don't bury them they ship them to Mexico where slaughter is still legal. Or a rendering plant, but burying would be a waste and a biohazard in those high numbers of carcasses. The unadoptable ones, that is.
rollkurisbad 2 years ago
what the hell is he doing to that poor horse at 2:20??? its obviously exhausted!!
gryphonkeen 2 years ago
they are forcing the horse into the chutes,,,,,you know they run some of those horses with newborn foals well over 30 miles!!!!! Some foals are lame by the time they make it to the corrals....its horrible....
ryanboy24 2 years ago
tis is awsom te horses r grgeous
lydiarocks789 2 years ago
You like to see creatures terrifed and running for their lives?! Why is this awesome? if the did it te way they SHOULD they'd use horses theselves and nt a $300/hr helicopter. And how shameless was that pilot? Sick callous bastards. NOT ALL those horses get adopted, slitmtn, many wind up on dinner platters in high-end restaraunts in ****ing Japan!!! Eat up, owners of Sunday Silence's progeny.
rollkurisbad 2 years ago 2
If they dont gather some of them they will die of illnesses and starvation. They will over populate the land Think about it!
SirCreston 3 years ago
true, but most of the horses gathered end up in bad homes or slaughter houses.
Horses4ever8 2 years ago
why do they round them up little haters horses are amazing i love them to deth wild not wild ugly pretty it deosnt matter to me =]
oxHorseingAroundox 3 years ago
i hate people alot
WesternHorseGirl 3 years ago
I cant stand when they round them up.. it makes me mad.....
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imnews 3 years ago
if they stopped culling and hunting teh predators that eat horses then they wudnt have this problem to begin with
samwise101 3 years ago 2
I hate them doing that it's not fair D';
Zearana 3 years ago
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Life's not fair deal with it
MrFields12 2 years ago
I hate them taking wild horses. Many die, a lot are go into shock to, running that distance and fearing the helicopter. Its not fair.
SadieandMick 3 years ago
I adopted two wild horses this year from the BLM. Both are 2 yr olds and were 'gathered' together. They must have been so frightened to have been rounded up like that.
Both are doing well and are very much loved. I highly recommend adopting a wild horse. They are fun to train and are very loyal.
TheLyonHeart 3 years ago
That video, it isnt very nice as wild horses are very dangerouse.
put all those horses put into a round yard, Frightend.
I saw in the background of that ugly chik talking a foal got pushed inbetween two other horses.
Realy it isnt nice to do that to wild horses as they shouldnt be squashed into a round yard neither a truck.
vermin107 3 years ago
800,000 acres of public land at Twin Peaks. Mr. BLM states that there were "about" 700, nearly 800 wild horses in 2006. Wait, Ms. BLM says they counted 1700 head, management leveles are 448 - 758 with a planned gather of 900? Does anyone else see a number problem here? ...or is it just me.
RileysGirl 3 years ago
same i live about 30 miles from susanvill, i never knew there were many horses around here
guthixclauus 3 years ago
A BLM researcher RE genetics said the poulations would have to be at least 100 horses per herd to have enough genetic diversity for survival. Most of the "herds" are statistically dead.
He also weighted herds according to how pure "spanish" they were. The more spanish the more valuable. Odd that even the red necks buy this arbitrary selection. It allows the BLM to eliminate all but the "valuable". How American! The remaining herds are essentially bred for potential adopters by the BLM.
smallestdachshund 3 years ago
The horses are a symbol of American's freedom. The fact that both sides of the argument are quoting "what THEY tell us," Just goes to show how helpless and stupid Americans have become. It's time we take a stand. Get these ridiculous lobbyists out of our head and take care of the country. Wild horses are not overpopulated. Their treatment in holding facilities is bad, and they are wild -not domestic in the least. Owners can train them, but only with great compassion.
smallestdachshund 3 years ago
Heck!
lets take americas pride and flush it down the pot.
Shame. Some nice little horses there too. Now they'll kick the crap out of each other, die on long jouneys, and hey! sold to italy.
Hit the nail right on head they did.
BML Bugurs tonight guys!
Dirty fuckers. I hope they all bloody die.
Just my two cents.
TexasRosexoxo 3 years ago
BLM is killing 1k in Arizons wild horses and burros
bridlelessgirl 3 years ago
There aren't many wild horses left.
annikarocks2 3 years ago
this is horrible.
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imnews 3 years ago
I used to live only a few miles from the place they're talking about. I never saw any horses but that herd of burros used to hang out in my front yard : )
yesiamsda 3 years ago
thats right they lie lie lie glad people dont believe the BLM. if they get to horses many they put down or make horse meat out of a hole herd they SUCK!!!!!
cutecat273 3 years ago 2
this makes me sick the BLM need to go easier on the old horses and the foals. on 2:17 thats just sad hes rushing him or her. he/she could be puffed,old or a Colt
cutecat273 3 years ago 2
Oh God this video makes me sick. 800,000 acres and 1,700 horses. That means that EACH horse has more than 470 acres! But these assholes try and convince us that they are overpopulated. What an F'ing joke. I also like the stallions fighting in close quarters with the others, foals included. It's great how they don't tell you what happens to the horses AFTER they are rounded up. Hmm...wonder if they are trying to hide the blood on their hands?
MaxD3 3 years ago 5
here's an idea why don't you geld them(I know there are ways to do it)that will help keep there numbers down, instead of rounding them up and half of them go to slaughter cause they can't get adopted.
mistysmommy34 3 years ago 2
Watch "The Wild Horse Redemption" and see what the BLM and some prison systems are doing to help place wild horses. B/4 criticizing get some facts, these horses are not going to slaughter, they're going to good homes. I don't like the copter rounups either but too many horses on too little land leads to disease and death most inhumane.
bumdoodlescooter 3 years ago 2
What a fuckin' asshat! Dude, it's one thing to do a necessary job of herding the horses. But, seriously, you crossed the 'douche-in-a-chopper' line by riding your skids on the palomino's rump. Did you actually think you were helping it along, you idiot? Crash and burn, buddy. Crash and burn.
kateodonahue 3 years ago 5
You jerks, let them be why dont u and they will repopulate better!
Blueroanchild 3 years ago 3
You guys are a bunch of jerks!
Sk8ergurl169 3 years ago
Yeah! They should leave those horses out there to overpopulate a very sparse range and transmit excessive disease and parasites! The nerve of people trying to manage healthy populations of animals on limited resources and land!
Cheyenne17124 3 years ago 2
If you are being rhetorical then your ass hurts Cheyenne.The Fuckin BLM and ecologists have literally rip the species apart with there lies.The sparsness that you talk about is bullshit.Where do you live in a fucking box?The disease and parasites they encounter are asshole bureaucrats and the people like yourself that listen to their fabricated bullshit.
JerseyRenegade 3 years ago 2
fuckers.
let the horses be.
jesus christ.
zombie0792 3 years ago
This is pathetic get a life i hate people you fucking fagsss!!!!! leave the wild horses aloneee!!!!! and thats smart put them in a tiny ring idiots i hope ur helicopter crashes
krystalloverrr 3 years ago
i appreciate your view on leaving the horses alone because i agree with you. but anyone who uses the word "fag" like that is trash. grow up.
hobocamp79 3 years ago 2
so fucking stupied. i hate that stupied hore.
bajamaja8614 3 years ago
In addition the gray horse actually slows down as other ridden horses come alongside. She either relaxes with other horses nearby or she is already used to people and ropes. Notice she does not jerk on the rope at all. She may even been at one time owned by someone. No horse likes being in a trailer until they are trained and expereinced.
harvwb 3 years ago
All horses in the US are descendants of animals brought by human beings. They are not native wild animals. The horses that are gathered are adopted out with fairly strict guidelines. If allowed to breed and multiple 'naturally' they would overcraze, and the result would be starvation for horses and other species.
harvwb 3 years ago
This is very sad. There arn't too many wild ANYTHING these days.. let them be, man doesn't have to destroy EVERYONE elses lives.
happyINcarolina 3 years ago
we are saddened after seeing your video...i hope you are reading your comment section....think about life...think my friend
diatoneic 4 years ago
Thhougis just shows how cruelly our wild horses are treated. That poor gray horse was exalthausted yet she was hit by the skids and the en lassoed. Then they are terrified by beming put into trailors. It is hard to tell how many don't survive but are buried in ditches. read , "Last Of the American Wild Horses" by Hope Ryden. Meanwhile thousands of cattle and sheep ruin our western public lands but wild horses and burros get the blame although innocent as GAO report proved.
bkwarner 4 years ago
YEAH what the fuck do u need to get them 4 i mean really there are not alot in the wild...u are a BITCH!!!
dumgirl200 4 years ago
You people that believe that wild horse round ups are necessary in order to manage herds and population are really out of touch with reality.With less than 18,000 wild horses nationally remaining,it puts the wild horse species in a crisis.The balance between ungulates has been met along time ago. Round ups are no longer needed as a means of herd management.Wild horses do not breed like rabbits.They foal one at a time and on rare occasions they will foal two. These foals nurse up to 4 years old.
JerseyRenegade 4 years ago
yeah, i have mixed feelings about the roundups. I mean, they keep the numbers down some it doesn't get too crowded or whatever, but it seems like bumping horses with helicopters and scaring them shitless doesn't accomplish much:)
horsegurrl19 4 years ago
It would be great if there were infinite land and food for all wild and feral animals. Failing that, men need to manage the herds somehow. They should do so humanely. Harmon rides very low and seems to be showing off as he bumps the one tired horse with his helicopter runners. Completely by the way they really are beautful animals, and this is some excellent footage.
TomChair 4 years ago
PS ...taken to Fallon Nevada. Do a little search/investigation on the Fallon Feedlot and Palamino Valley. Also, watch Harmon "ride" that exhausted mare with the skids. Yeah, he flys low but above the law as a BLM contractor.
RileysGirl 4 years ago
PLEASE continue to call, write, email and fax your reps and the Bush administration! We can succeed as Annie did but our work's cut out for us. Read the Nov. 2006 Vanity Fair article Running Scared. This great article thoroughly exposes the BLM.
RileysGirl 4 years ago
Harmon crashed this winter rounding up the Nakotas. Not only was he WAY too low but literally running the horses INSIDE the chute! He nor his passengers were hurt and according to BLM statement, none of the horses were injured when the chopper rotor flew into the corral. Another amazing BLM wild horse "management" fiasco, your tax dollars at work (continued)
RileysGirl 4 years ago
Fucking blm leave the wild ones alone or i vow the dam comunity to hell when im older..... there all going to die slowly in hell like the scum they are for touching the creatures of freedom, HOW DARE THEY
tifa2733 4 years ago
I am ashamed of the usa treatment of the wild horses. All the protection of 20 years ago is striped away and the numbers are culled from 1000s to less than 1 horse per 10,000 acres! Horses some with foals are run by helicoptor!
whats the matter with you people! On your auction site there are NO older horses anymore, you double brand the older ones and sell them to slaughter!
sunlei5 4 years ago
seriously, the BLM makes sure that their horses go to good homes- there's a process you have to go through before adopting. and, also, the only truly wild horse left are the prezwalski breed =] so, these horses dd have ancestors who were tamed, and i would much rather the blm get them than others. some of these mustangs even get put on other sanctuarys too. believe me, the blm is doing what is best for the horses.
icandy4892 4 years ago
These horses are feral, not wild, and have no predators to keep their numbers down. If humans left them alone eventually they would be overcrowded and many would die of starvation as the competition for survival gets tougher. There is simply no room. It's no ones fault.
katcxxx 4 years ago
i think for the most part people should just let them live in the wild. but f they do need to herd them they should use horses and like atv not helocopters
ifeellikeageak922 4 years ago
In my opion I hate this just leave them alone, horses first instinct is flight, when that helicopter flies overhead horse get so scared they will try to run over, jump over anything to get away. Mustangs break thier legs, foals drop down dead becuase of the round ups. but then if the horses gain in # they will get hit by cars to find food, people will lertary shoot them from there ranches. They need more land!
ShannyPants2 4 years ago
They are only horses. Lovely creatures but they don't really belong their. They have no natural predators and they need to be controlled. They are no more beautiful than deer imo.
tharroarrow 4 years ago
I would much rather have 1000 mustangs gathered to be adopted out to loving homes then all of the mustangs be competeing against eachother for food and then all of them staving. I have a mustang mare and she loves her home. She has 300acres to roam on with 13 other horses and all the grass she can eat without worry of it running out.
3191jag 4 years ago
WE NEED TO STOP THEM LETS TRY IT ! WE CAN !
Roquel15 4 years ago
NO STOP!!!leave them alone there fine.Ya it would be great but think us ppl take all animals and abuse them keep them in cages make them obay u,.do you think thats fun living in a cage then be beat until u do tricks right or dont walk beside your owner damn just fucking stop
prancer145 4 years ago
Bastards should leave them alone.The only thing that is over populated is the millions of cattle that are destroying the land.Its not the horses.The genetics in this band of horses is ruined now!
dougsgirl63 4 years ago
Do a Google search on "Rendering: The invisible Industry" Its on the API web site.
airart66 4 years ago
I'm glad that they do this to die down the population and also THEY DON'T KILL THEM THEY PUT THEM UP FOR ADOPTION!!!
firedrake841 4 years ago
The BLM has contracts with some of the US slaughter plants so they will be shipped to Europe for someone to eat!!! They only adopt out the younger, more easier to train ones!
Blondhorsecrazy 4 years ago
The Bureau of Land Managment !!!!! The Bureau of Land Managment !!!!! The Bureau of Land Managment !!!!! The Bureau of Land Managment !!!!! The Bureau of Land Managment !!!!! The Bureau of Land Managment !!!!!
PEOPLEEE!!
THEY DONNNNT KILL THEM!!!!
THEY TAKE ABOUT 1000 A YEAR TO MAKE ADOPTABLE!!
THE HORSES ARE BEING KILLED OFF BECAUSE PEOPLE WANT THE LAND By OTHERS!! NOT THE BLM!
sodakiddet 4 years ago
The BLM does an excellent job of caring for and adopting out the mustangs. Most slaughter horses are ex-show and race horses that have out-lived their 'usefulness'. Don't blame the BLM for horses slaughtered for food. Plus, these horses are not native to Northern America, so it's wonderful that we even still have the wild mustangs on public land.
magnatroll 4 years ago
I rescued an Ex race horse from the track auction where most were bought for slaughter..She was 5 yrs old! $500.oo. out lived their usefulness!! My friend has a horse that is 32 yrs old! Animals are just another waste product of the American people!
airart66 4 years ago
The horses have no natural predators.. they also look in beautiful condition.. they dont need more room in the big rig.. they want out.. they must be terrified.. its called survival..
Katie5557 4 years ago
Who ever kills wild horses should be ashamed. Those sick people.
barrellracer129 4 years ago
why do they going to kill them:(?
DrawionKuda 4 years ago
STOP SLAUGHTERING HORSES PEOPLE!!!
pogg06 4 years ago
Mustangs are the living symbol of the west.they were here lonng before humons got here.they used to live in heaven eating fresh grass sleeping in nice cool shades.Nickering in delight.But now they live in HELL!Just because ppl are sick and wrong they think mustangs are parasites eating off the land.And so now alot of ppl think its okay 2 slaughter beutiful creatures!!Those sick basterds!!
PEZZYSWEETY99 4 years ago
I'd like to round these people up and send them to the slaughter house. Worthless bastards! You'll burn in the worst places of hell for what you do. If I saw someone gun you down, I'd cheer and eat popcorn while watching the show.
pixiechild 4 years ago
ya get them so you can kill them thats sick bet you love your job you should be ashamed
darlalofton 4 years ago