ITS VERY EASY TO REFUTE Muhammud as prophet using the bible...jesus said anyone who causes one of these little ones to stumble better he have a millstone tied about his neck and thrown into the sea, he said anyone who teaches others to break his commandments is least in the kingdom, thou shalt not kill, commit adultry, covet yr neighbors goods, bear false witness, he spoke words of his own accord and said they were fr GOD and took satans words and gave them to the people, his fruit is rotten
"KeithTruth" you are NOT quoting Suras from the Quran, what you are doing is trying to provide Hadiths to suite your false claim. The claim that Mohammad worshiped false "gods". The Holy Prophet destroyed idols..how can he worship them? The Holy Prophet said to believe in 1 God. It is the MAIN belief in Islam...not trinity like you pagans believe in
@mosharma134 Mohamad destroyed all idols but one his name was Allah wich Mohamad declared as the one god,this is again Satan pretending to be God its so obvious .Repent to Jesus while you still have time Amen
@Sonof "Mohamad destroyed all idols but one his name was Allah wich Mohamad declared as the one god,this is again Satan pretending to be God its so obvious." <-- This is the stupid argument i ever heard. Allah is the God of Jesus, mention by name in your bible(s) sir. Go read your Arabic bible(s).
"Repent to Jesus while you still have time Amen" <-- You have to show us a verse in bible(s), Jesus says with his mouth "Repent me, or worship me."
@TrinityDesist John 14:6Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. john 5:22For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:
23That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him. John 14:11Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake.
@HianJ0 Thanks for reply. But quoting from bibles, what does it proves?
Let me quote you one from same gospel, according to whoever : John 5:30 "BY MYSELF I CAN DO NOTHING; I judge only as I hear, and my judgment is just, for I seek not to please myself but him who sent me."
My point is, why are you believing such a books written by unknown people that never met Jesus p. Not even that, till 16th centuries there is no two manuscripts are alike. Isn't that enough proves?
@TrinityDesist Jesus is refering to his ministry being in complete accordance or inderdependence with the Father. In other words Jesus doesn't act apart from the Father - he can't, because they are united. That's the context. The same John 5 you distort in v. 23 says "all may honor the Son, JUST AS (exactly as in greek) they honor the Father," and v. 18 "This was why the Jews were seeking all the more to kill him, because...he was even calling God his own Father, making himself EQUAL WITH GOD"
@KeithTr Thanks for the agenda, like i said b4, what does it proves?
Jesus said that noone ever see the god nor heard his voice.
You said: he was even calling God his own Father, making himself EQUAL WITH GOD" but the verse continuous in my bible, Jesus respond to them: "Is it not written in your law that i has said you are GOD."
So are this Jews united with Jesus and the Father? Even also The Father called them my Son in many places.
@TrinityDesist No you're wrong thats John 10 where it talks about "ye are gods," not John 5. Read 10:25-30 and you will see Jesus using "sheep hear my voice," and "no one will snatch them out of my hand" language which comes from the Old Testament about God. That is why the Jews correctly said he was claiming to be God. You haven't addressed John 5:18, 23 or how it violates Islamic Tawheed proving according to you criterea Jesus is God. Jesus is united in essence with the Father, not position.
@Ke You can go on. It doesn't prove anything. Read Gen 1:1 and Ps 82:6 and see that the same words translated differently. Double standards from bibles translators.
I don't want to go on this nonsense.
Simple questions: Why are you believing books that written by unknown people who never met Jesus p?
Also Jews called son and god many places in bible, why aren't they united in essence with the father?
What is the difference from Hinduism which they believe also one god?
@TrinityDesist Asserting it doesn't prove anything is not an argument, its just a claim. It proves something, the earliest sources on the life and teachings of Jesus and his Apostles affirm the deity of Jesus. As for translations, the quran is translated differently all the time in different English translations. Jesus is said to be the only unique son of God (1 Jhn 4:9) bearing the nature of God. There's a strong case for the authoriship of the Gospels in the text itself and in early tradition
@Keit My problem is not about account of Jesus in NT. You can quote and misinterpret the verse for prove your point, i can do same thing to prove my point. In this manner, i said it doesn't prove anything. The problem is like i said before many times, why are you believing such a books written by unknown people that who were already believing a man-god, in foreign language to Jesus p and changed many times in the wording (till 16th centuries no two manuscripts are identical)?
@TrinityDesist No I'm giving the historic Orthodox understanding of these verses based on context and the Greek - exegesis. All you have done is post half a verse out of context... What I have shown is that the earliest texts on Jesus clearly affirm his deity. Your 600 later quran that talks about violating women in paradise with swealling breasts and beating wives is not to be trusted. Jesus and his Apostles spoke Greek and Aramaic in that bilingual society. I addressed Biblical authorship.
@KeithTruth So sad that you can't defense your bible nor you can't even answer my simple question. "I have shown is that the earliest texts on Jesus clearly affirm his deity" <-- In books written by unknown people??? How do you so sure that Jesus really said this things? Where is the prove?
Prove me that Gospel according to Mark really written by Mark? No no just prove me that any gospel writers lived and meet with Jesus?
@TrinityDesist Quran says the 7th century Injil of the Christians is from God. And what the Christians of the 7th century were reading is exactly what I am reading (see 5:157; 5:68). So you have no quranic basis to object to my Scriptures. Gospel authorship is hinted in the text and very clearly in the early church for each book. It would take too long to go through each one. Study that issue instead of being a barbarian. Jesus spoke Greek since he spoke to Pilate, the Phoenicia Greek woman etc.
@Keith U think, all the Muslims are fool, don't u? I know one Injeel (good news) from my Qur'aan which is given to prophet Isa a.s. What you have is BOOKS written and modified till 16th centuries by unknown people who never met Jesus and in foreign language to Jesus p.
"Jesus never spoke Greek." <- This statement made by prof. Bart Ehrman who is the best seller of bible scholar in his book call "The Orthodox Corruption of Scripture". Why do i have believe u instead of prof. Ehrman?
@TrinityDesist You didn't address 5:157 and 5:68 telling us that the 7th century Injil Christians had in their hands was reliable. Show from the 7th century an injil other than what I have - there's nothing. Prove historically such a text existed, quote it. Appealing to authority (Ehrman) isn't an argument, deal with the fact that Jesus spoke to Greek people in the early records. Ehrman says Jesus was crucified (A Historical Introduction to the Early Christian Writings, p. 197) do you agree?
@KeithTruth First you need to update your agenda. 5:157 doesn't exist in Qur'aan. I want you to show me anywhere in Qur'aan says that gospel according to unknown people is same as given to prophet Isa a.s. Or just admit you lied.
Firstly, "Jesus never spoke Greek" is a explicit statement which is totally debunk your argument. Secondly, look at the book name that you gave me and tell me this statement is his own or early christian writers? oh yes we Muslim are fool.
@TrinityDesist I meant 7:157, now address everything I said. If you use logic you will notice that appealing to an authority who claims "Jesus never spoke Greek" is not proof. It is just an assertion. I already showed you instances in the early records where Jesus spoke to numerous Greek speaking people. Second, in 1st century Palestine under Roman rule you had better known Greek when the Roman soldiers spoke to you. It was a bilingual society. The scholar N.T. Write notes this also.
@KeithTruth Qur'aan 7:157, read in Arabic, (which states "the GOSPEL") and show me where it is says "the 4 GOSPELS" written by unknown people, the exact one given to Jesus p. Or simply admit you lied?
First i ever heard from somebody who says people of Palestinian spoke Greek at time of Jesus p. Probably, prof. Bart Ehrman wasn't know that before he made this statement. :)
@TrinityDesist You are not following. It says the Gospel was "WITH THEM" in the 7th century - in 7th century Christians hands. You have no historical or archaeological proof that Christians in the 7th century read anything other than what is in the NT as given to the NT church around the world. Plus the word "injil" comes from the Greek to Syriac to Arabic. The Syrian Christians called the 4 Gospels the "evangil" (singular) of Christ. Now, Ehrman said Christ was crucified, do you agree?
@Kei The verse says they will find the Prophet in their scriptures. But i can't find anywhere in the verse says the Injeel with them is the same original Injeel (message) given to Jesus p. Now, you have to find me any historical or archaeological proof that your gospels are exact gospel that Jesus preached. Even, you don't have any proof the prove the name of your gospels. Only assumptions.
Ehrman said Jesus was crucified in the book called early CHRISTIAN writings?
@TrinityDesist Your Muslim translators say the Injil here is the Gospel of the NT, so disagree with your own scholars not me:
"Those who follow the Messenger, the Prophet who can neither read nor write (i.e. Muhammad SAW) whom they find written with them in the Taurat (Torah) (Deut. xviii, 15) and the Injil (Gospel) (John xiv, 16)"
- Hilali-Khan 7:157
The evidence shows Christians in the 7th century were reading the NT. Show me historical 7th century books other than the NT or be banned
@TrinityDesist John 5:30 Hmm so you read that verse and consider it true, then u must accept that if there is father, the one who is talking is the son(and allah doesn't have sons right?).But if u try to say that the "corrupted" bible is telling us that he isn't god well then u should read again the verses i sent. So using john to debate us is useless. u either must accept hole bible including john is corrupted or u must take the verses in the hole Context of the very verse.
@TrinityDesist Then u say that there is no 2 manuscripts that are alike? can u tell me where did u find that? because i can prove otherwise, and btw the very essence of the scriptures remain the same.but then u say it was written many centuries after jesus,well actually John wasn't written many centuries after, u should google:Rylands Library Papyrus P52 and check what is written there.Allah did such a great job deceiving every1 to think Jesus was killed...
@TrinityDesist And about trusting scriptures, ww have the dead sea scroll which matches with our OT, and not with the Torah u dont have which would say that Ishmael is the one elected by god.The manuscripts of the N.T matches in the very essence and most of them perfectly.But when we look at the quran we know for sure that isn't the quran muhammad wanted,because Muhamamd said we should ask to Ibn masud if we anted to learn about the quran verses,but the Uthman decide to leave out Ibn masud
@TrinityDesist and put this issue to make the quran in the hands on Zaid, which according to Ibn Masud, zaid was still a pagan when he was reciting many suras with the prophet.But when the mushaf is finished, the very Ibn Masud said that wasn't the quran he recited with the prophet and he didn't give his quran version to uthman to be burned and nor would accept Uthman version,so why is that? hmm muhamamd would've like the quran u have from a guy he didn't say was trustful like Ibn Masud?
@TrinityDesist But what happened when Masud died? well Uthman send ppl fast to his place and took his quran and burned.. why is that? hmm.. And even more we have many Hadith saying that the quran are missing verses like stoning,breast feeding :(Sahih Bukhari, vol. 8, p. 539)(other says that because an animal ate it!!!), or many surah saying that verses were being lost because many soldier who knew those verses were dying.
@TrinityDesist Sahih Bukhari 6:60:201, Sahih Bukhari 9:89:301,Sahih Bukhari 6:61:509,(LOST VERSES) Sahih Muslim 17:4194(Stoning),Al-Sira by al-'Iraqi,Ibn Hazm: "The verses of stoning and breast feeding were in the possession of A’isha in a (Qur’anic) copy. When Muhammad died and people became busy in the burial preparations, a domesticated animal entered in and ate it Ibn Hazm Volume 8, Part II, Pages 235 and 236.
@TrinityDesist Ibn Kathir:Uthman burned the rest of the copies which were in the hands of the people because they disagreed on the (correct) reading and they fought among themselves. When they came to take ibn Mas’ud’s copy to bum it, he told them, ‘I know more than Zayd ibn Thabit (whom ’Uthman ordered to collect the copies of the Qur’an).Uthman wrote to ibn Mas’ud asking him to submit his copy for burning.MORE: CANCELED verses: Sahih Bukhari 4:52:57,Sahih Bukhari 4:52:69,Sahih Bukhari 4:52:299
@TrinityDesist I can keep quoting more verses like those, even from tabari, and i also can quote Hadiths where muhammad forgot verses and some guy reminded him that,because it wasn't like it was written in his heart as muslims likes to think.BTW If u read the difference translation of the bible, the message remain the same and more in the most important verses,but muslims can't decide if sura 9:29 is "fight back" or "fight those" or if it says "willingly or unwillingly" or it says
@TrinityDesist "With submission" and feel "subdued"... Or even more u have clear changes and additions to the quran as Yusef Ali version which add the word "lightly" which is not found in the real quran... So why u trust the quran??... And even if it's preserved (which i can keep proving it's not), that means is the real word of god?Muslims had a "TrueTorah" in their hands (muhammad once said the torah he had in his hands was the real word of god)
@TrinityDesist So muslims were so busy taking care of the quran that they allowed to be corrupted the very basis of the religion which is the Torah? sounds to me like then we are not the only one who "corrupted" or let be "corrupted" the other books, since u also failed at that. I guess u have never thought about that, so u should think about it, since it would be a massive problem if there were actually a Muslim Torah older or at least contemporary with ours, but there ain't :S .. Peace.!
@TrinityDesist So again u quote complete out of context, i mean if u keep reading u find the explaination, but u just don't wanna do it, u wanna stay blind that's ur choice. Well i give u a good example of what u r doing before i leave this topic: Quran says Jesus is the word of Allah, the bible says "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God"That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world." So The quran accepts that Jesus is GOD!
@TrinityDesist 12Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.
13And whatsoever ye shall ASK IN MY NAME,THAT I WILL DO, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. (so here is saying that isn't he,also he is saying that "i WILL DO" so he will be omnipotent,omniscient,omnipresence etc. Interesting because whout those attributes he can't answer ur pray...
@Mushfiquejk he wasnt trying to out islam but out sami's decitful and ouble standards, oh u cristian have have to condone the God of the old testament or the violence, but in the same taken allah too responsable for, so sami's tactic if he thought about atually condemned him self and his own God
@KeithTruth these guys keep repeating this God is not a man , as if it proves there point, but the section refutes there position cause it is not plainly saying he is not a man, but is rather focusing on his promise, and if he cant become a man they need to look at for areas,genesis 3, genesis 18, genesis 30, and number 12 before they say that this passage supports there case
@Mushfiquejk obviously u missed the point he was putting, that allah took responsability for all the harsh goings on in old testament, so when sammi sed us Christians should condem it n not codone it, which we do, this line of thought is very biased and is double standard , so that is the point kieth put a cross, he was off subject, just trying make sammi see his own error, in his logic
i mean we condemn, but still in essence we do follow it as its there for a purpose which is to validate cirtain actions that God wont accept, like false worship, rape, and so much more
obviously u missed the point he was putting, that allah took responsability for all the harsh goings on in old testament, so when sammi sed us Christians should condem it n not codone it, which we do, this line of thought is very biased and is double standard , so that is the point kieth put a cross, he wasn't off subject, just trying make sammi see his own error, in his logic
Quit trolling. Everyone knows he lost and I refuted him on everything. They censored me for doing something sami does in his other debates. Case closed.
I was dotted for noting Sami's double standards. Sami has noted double standards in his debates where he feels that the Christian should not attack muhammad for certain things that he thinks BIblical prophets did too. So if you condemn me noting double standards then you have to condemn Zaatari's previous debates with David Wood.
The topic was Christianity yes but you can't understand that I was showing that allah took responsibility for the things Sami condemned.
I made a film called Zeitgeist Part One Exposed: The Film which refutes the lie that Jesus was based off of false gods like krishna, mithra, horus etc... Then in my film new age infiltration of the truth movement I explain why the public (people like you) are being brainwashed to believe Jesus was a solar diety like mithra.
@KeithTruth isnt funny how stupid people are,,,they watch one youtube video and never research the FACTS and believe in these lies,,,,I love when they say Jesus was a take off of these fake GODS it just goes to show that they are sheep and follow ANYTHING that IS ANTI-CHRIST it proves GOD is correct men are evil and hate GOD
Great Job Keith, I dont know why muslims always take bits and pieces of the bible to make an argument, but neglect the rest of the bible as if it means nothing.....
Because Jesus is the mediator between man and God. He lowered himself in exaltation for us and said: "I am the way the truth and the life. No man comes to the father but by me." John 14:6
So when people say "Praise God" we are praising Father, Son and spirit. But because Jesus said he answers prayers and that he is the mediator we address Jesus Christ by name also.
The historical record call his name "Yeshua" or "Iesous" which is translated as Jesus in English. If that was not him name, you need to provide historical evidence that says otherwise.
I never raised up the issue about God, I said that in Hebrew Jesus' name is Yeshua and you haven't refuted this. Yes many names have meanings, but you have not given me any evidence that he was called otherwise.
Your allah must be stupid because he prayed to himself,
He it is who sends PRAYERS on you (Arabic- yusallii alaykum), as do His angels ... S. 33:43
Allah and His angels PRAY for the Prophet (Arabic- yasalluuna alan-Nabiyy): O ye that believe PRAY for him (salluu `alayhi), and salute him with all respect. S. 33:56
Who is Allah praying to? Who is Allah's allah? Don't talk to me about 3 or 1.
Just because finite creatures may not fully comprehent the infinite creator of everything, that does not mean it is not true. That is point one.
Point two is Father, Son, Spirit are interdependant and are all fully God. Jehova is God and God revielved himself to humanity in 3 distinct persons. One being, 3 persons. This is why we see statements of divinity with respect to Jesus and the Spirit. When the spirit speaks it is God speaking. Jesus claimed to be the God who sent the spirit to John.
They are distinct in their personhood but not their being. Me and you are both human being but we are different persons.They are equal in every respect yes. However when Jesus lowered himself and became a man, his exaltation was not equal but his essense was. But now he is exalted (john 17:5)
About yoru third question I did answer it. Jahova is God and God revielved himself to humanity in 3 distinct persons. So yes.
first of all the trinity does not exist in the time of jesus and as you said 3 person in one in unity...by the way do you understand what does means perosn person person...and read bible how could you justify man as god who born with women...by the way bible says if a boy born with women she will be impure for 40 day jesus trinity god impured his clean mother sound so ridicolous..hahahah
I dont know what you are trying to say but all koran does is talk about jesus. read up on it , and islam is a prophetic religion like mormons , Mohammad was a prophet not a messiah.
his logic that the bible says mohammid is a prophet from God is flawwed God says flat out even if the person tells the future... does mircles, if they tell you to worship another God they ARE NOT FROM GOD. mohhamid tells us to not worship Yahweh, but to worship "allah".
Allah translates to God...do you worship yahweh or Jesus..you say Jesus is Yahweh if you are christian isnt it...what to Arabic christians and Jews call God to be ..its "Allah".Jesus spoke Aramaic..may be syric.what is God in Aramaic..elaha or allaha in syriac...
hahhahah bro dont make we think. im not limiting gods power god say self in the quran that if he wished he had a son he could have it but why would god need a son. Its you limiting gods power he freed a whole people from slavery and you think then he need a son for making twelv apostles and some women to follow him. no of course not but you are a christian you think what you think i dont care.
I don't think God "needs" to do anything. He operates according to what he wants to do because he is all powerful. And he is also all loving and because he is all loving he had Jesus his son "empty Himself, taking the form of a bond-servant, and being made in the likeness of men."Phil. 2:5-8
You ask why would God need a son? God is not subject to anything and if he decides to send his only son then WE NEED to accept his free gift of salvation.
again you are limiting gods power. He can show his love however you want yes you right but didnt he also says he is the only god. He could simple bring jesus without making himself to jesus. Second you said only accept it brother when you pray are you praying to jesus or to god. soem christians when they pray its sound like jesus and god is two diffrent persons. so either jesus is the son of god and it meanas christianity is paganism or god could still bring love from jesus without being his.
Isn't it interesting that these people are stagnant in their knowledge yet the Nazarene Sect is reforming and punching a whole into that Islamic crap?
hahahahaha trinianity that god is in one person and not thre seperate person hahah keit there is some problems here bro. If you read the bible you can see that jesus (peace be upon him) prayed for god and was taling to him while on the cross. Second the bird who was sent donw to him after the baptism of jhon and then a voice was heard from the heaven: you are my only son who i love. So does jesus(peace be upon him speaking to himself.
You are limiting Gods power. Jesus was fully man and fully God. He had 2 natures. So we accept Jesus praying. Jesus was worshiped as God and blessed Thomas for doing so. He claimed the "I AM" title. He claimed to be the unique son of God, distinct from all angels and prophets. He claimed to be omnipresent. Jesus claimed to be the only way to heaven.
Who Was the First Muslim? Muhammad [6:14, 163], Moses [7:143], some Egyptians [26:51], or Abraham [2:127-133, 3:67] or Adam, [2:37]?
2 Corinthians 4:3- And even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing, 4- in whose case the god of this world (*allah*/Satan) has blinded the minds of the unbelieving so that they might not see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.
Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for unless you believe that I am He, you will die in your sins. John 8:24
It's sad that so many people are deceived by this blood shedding, raping, lying, deceiving, slave owning/trading, opportunistic, maffialike psychopath(muhammad)....
Even if I didn't know the Truth of the Bible I NEVER would become a follower of this violent madman(muhammad).......
Stop the nonsens muslims, repent, confess your sins, believe in the LORD JESUS and be saved before you'll join your alleged 'prophet' in hell......
I'll admit that I find these videos interesting, but I don't see the point of two major religions arguing incessantly like this. Obviously, neither side will ever make so much as a dent in the base of the other. Both sides continue to believe that their faith is the way and that they have won each exchange. You could argue the subject to death, but it will have no effect on the insidious intentions of the elite. Faith won't save you in this world--have you all given up on opposing the elite?
William Cooper said that the elites are trying to destroy Christianity (eventually all major religions in order to institute the New Age movement), so exchanges like these are technically fighting the NWO by legitimizing Christianity. I guess I just find it troubling because it is a polarizing practice that unifies Christians while making members of other faiths feel excluded. More people than just Christians should oppose the NWO--they are a problem for all mankind.
True, but remember this fight is for our eternal being whereas fighting the NWO is still for a perishable crown. Whether we like it or not we are going to depart from this world anyway, and then what?
the plural is to indicate the all-inclusiveness of God's attributes of authority and power, the plurality of majesty. It is customary for one in authority to speak of himself as if he were a plurality.
So if you believe God can have a multiplicity of attributes and not seize to be God why can't you accept that God is powerful enough to reviel himself to creation in 3 persons and not seize to be God?
Why, in your world view, is it impossible for God to lower himself to a human, out of love for his creation? Is God not powerful enough to enter into creation and not sieze to be God?
Also, your intepretation of the plurality is just subjective and doesn't fit with the context.
How can Jesus be God when the Bible says God is not a man?
Numbers 23:19"God IS NOT man, that he should lie, or a son of man, that he should change his mind. Has he said, and will he not do it? Or has he spoken, and will he not fulfill it?"
It doesn't say God CANNOT be a man, but that God IS not a man, major difference: Its true that during the Old Testament period God hadn't become a man, but this doesn't deny that God could choose to later become a man for the world. The OT itself supports the view that God can become a man, without ceasing to be God, since there are places where God appeared in human form: Genesis 18:1-5, 8-10a, 13-17, 20-26, 33.
It wasn't until 2000 years that Jesus, the Word, became flesh (John 1:1,14).
Simply because everything in the realm of creation even speed of light is finite and limited...NOT powerful enough to contain nor to sustain the characteristical definition of God which is the absence of limits (Absolute infinite).
And NO..we are not limiting God's power since paradox surfaces when you apply the rule of finite into the transfinite...and you can NOT apply anything into the Absolute Infinite.... not to mention it's a blasphemy...
First of all, the verse says that God is not a man in the sense that he would lie, or repent (from sin). Therefore, there is no problem here because this statement is not against Jesus being God in flesh, but against God being able to sin. It is like me saying, "I am not a man who robs banks." The statement is not saying that I am not a man, that I am not a man who robs banks. Likewise, God is not a man that he would lie.
True God is not a man, but we have to make a distinction. God the Son put human flesh on himself. So Jesus the Son of God, is one person with two natures, a divine nature and a human nature. Maybe this can help... humans have a spirit(soul) and a body so they are one person with two natures. With Jesus, he had a spirit and a Body as well, the Spirit was God the son, and the Body was just human. God the son dwelled inside the human Jesus. So thats why we say he was fully divine and fully human
@Mkvine i dont mean to be out of order hear, but ur comment is very misguided, as God the father has been a man, in genesis 3 , genesis 18, and 30, numbers 12,
@DefendingIslam first of al number 23 : 19, is soley about God promise to us if u believe it to be about God being a man , then i will point you to genesis 3, genesis 18, genesis 30, and lastly number 12 where God clearly was seen in human form
@DefendingIslam then you say 1 samuel 15 : 29, yet again its about same situation his promise, look at the passage i gave before and the next one u mutilate cause its based on promise
one reason why i really like your videos is because you have can confirm your arguments with such an amount of sources which this video is demonstrating one more time ;)
Stop talking and play you fuck face
FreakishlyTrue 1 week ago
ITS VERY EASY TO REFUTE Muhammud as prophet using the bible...jesus said anyone who causes one of these little ones to stumble better he have a millstone tied about his neck and thrown into the sea, he said anyone who teaches others to break his commandments is least in the kingdom, thou shalt not kill, commit adultry, covet yr neighbors goods, bear false witness, he spoke words of his own accord and said they were fr GOD and took satans words and gave them to the people, his fruit is rotten
candiceevans1 1 year ago
"KeithTruth" you are NOT quoting Suras from the Quran, what you are doing is trying to provide Hadiths to suite your false claim. The claim that Mohammad worshiped false "gods". The Holy Prophet destroyed idols..how can he worship them? The Holy Prophet said to believe in 1 God. It is the MAIN belief in Islam...not trinity like you pagans believe in
mosharma134 1 year ago
@mosharma134
we believe in one GOD, muhammad destroyed all except one namely ill-allah, you ppl don't know anything abt JESUS nor GOD
hannahr77 1 year ago
@mosharma134 Mohamad destroyed all idols but one his name was Allah wich Mohamad declared as the one god,this is again Satan pretending to be God its so obvious .Repent to Jesus while you still have time Amen
SonofJaphet 1 year ago
@Sonof "Mohamad destroyed all idols but one his name was Allah wich Mohamad declared as the one god,this is again Satan pretending to be God its so obvious." <-- This is the stupid argument i ever heard. Allah is the God of Jesus, mention by name in your bible(s) sir. Go read your Arabic bible(s).
"Repent to Jesus while you still have time Amen" <-- You have to show us a verse in bible(s), Jesus says with his mouth "Repent me, or worship me."
Produce your proof if you are truthful.
Peace!
TrinityDesist 1 year ago
@TrinityDesist John 14:6Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. john 5:22For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:
23That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him. John 14:11Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake.
(continues)
HianJ0 6 months ago
@HianJ0 Thanks for reply. But quoting from bibles, what does it proves?
Let me quote you one from same gospel, according to whoever : John 5:30 "BY MYSELF I CAN DO NOTHING; I judge only as I hear, and my judgment is just, for I seek not to please myself but him who sent me."
My point is, why are you believing such a books written by unknown people that never met Jesus p. Not even that, till 16th centuries there is no two manuscripts are alike. Isn't that enough proves?
Peace!
TrinityDesist 6 months ago
@TrinityDesist Jesus is refering to his ministry being in complete accordance or inderdependence with the Father. In other words Jesus doesn't act apart from the Father - he can't, because they are united. That's the context. The same John 5 you distort in v. 23 says "all may honor the Son, JUST AS (exactly as in greek) they honor the Father," and v. 18 "This was why the Jews were seeking all the more to kill him, because...he was even calling God his own Father, making himself EQUAL WITH GOD"
KeithTruth 6 months ago
@KeithTr Thanks for the agenda, like i said b4, what does it proves?
Jesus said that noone ever see the god nor heard his voice.
You said: he was even calling God his own Father, making himself EQUAL WITH GOD" but the verse continuous in my bible, Jesus respond to them: "Is it not written in your law that i has said you are GOD."
So are this Jews united with Jesus and the Father? Even also The Father called them my Son in many places.
U mention but Jesus never spoke Greek.
Peace!
TrinityDesist 6 months ago
@TrinityDesist No you're wrong thats John 10 where it talks about "ye are gods," not John 5. Read 10:25-30 and you will see Jesus using "sheep hear my voice," and "no one will snatch them out of my hand" language which comes from the Old Testament about God. That is why the Jews correctly said he was claiming to be God. You haven't addressed John 5:18, 23 or how it violates Islamic Tawheed proving according to you criterea Jesus is God. Jesus is united in essence with the Father, not position.
KeithTruth 6 months ago
@Ke You can go on. It doesn't prove anything. Read Gen 1:1 and Ps 82:6 and see that the same words translated differently. Double standards from bibles translators.
I don't want to go on this nonsense.
Simple questions: Why are you believing books that written by unknown people who never met Jesus p?
Also Jews called son and god many places in bible, why aren't they united in essence with the father?
What is the difference from Hinduism which they believe also one god?
Peace!
TrinityDesist 6 months ago
@TrinityDesist Asserting it doesn't prove anything is not an argument, its just a claim. It proves something, the earliest sources on the life and teachings of Jesus and his Apostles affirm the deity of Jesus. As for translations, the quran is translated differently all the time in different English translations. Jesus is said to be the only unique son of God (1 Jhn 4:9) bearing the nature of God. There's a strong case for the authoriship of the Gospels in the text itself and in early tradition
KeithTruth 6 months ago
@Keit My problem is not about account of Jesus in NT. You can quote and misinterpret the verse for prove your point, i can do same thing to prove my point. In this manner, i said it doesn't prove anything. The problem is like i said before many times, why are you believing such a books written by unknown people that who were already believing a man-god, in foreign language to Jesus p and changed many times in the wording (till 16th centuries no two manuscripts are identical)?
Peace!
TrinityDesist 6 months ago
@TrinityDesist No I'm giving the historic Orthodox understanding of these verses based on context and the Greek - exegesis. All you have done is post half a verse out of context... What I have shown is that the earliest texts on Jesus clearly affirm his deity. Your 600 later quran that talks about violating women in paradise with swealling breasts and beating wives is not to be trusted. Jesus and his Apostles spoke Greek and Aramaic in that bilingual society. I addressed Biblical authorship.
KeithTruth 6 months ago
@KeithTruth So sad that you can't defense your bible nor you can't even answer my simple question. "I have shown is that the earliest texts on Jesus clearly affirm his deity" <-- In books written by unknown people??? How do you so sure that Jesus really said this things? Where is the prove?
Prove me that Gospel according to Mark really written by Mark? No no just prove me that any gospel writers lived and meet with Jesus?
"Jesus spoke Greek"<-- In your dream?
Peace!
TrinityDesist 6 months ago
@TrinityDesist Quran says the 7th century Injil of the Christians is from God. And what the Christians of the 7th century were reading is exactly what I am reading (see 5:157; 5:68). So you have no quranic basis to object to my Scriptures. Gospel authorship is hinted in the text and very clearly in the early church for each book. It would take too long to go through each one. Study that issue instead of being a barbarian. Jesus spoke Greek since he spoke to Pilate, the Phoenicia Greek woman etc.
KeithTruth 6 months ago
@Keith U think, all the Muslims are fool, don't u? I know one Injeel (good news) from my Qur'aan which is given to prophet Isa a.s. What you have is BOOKS written and modified till 16th centuries by unknown people who never met Jesus and in foreign language to Jesus p.
"Jesus never spoke Greek." <- This statement made by prof. Bart Ehrman who is the best seller of bible scholar in his book call "The Orthodox Corruption of Scripture". Why do i have believe u instead of prof. Ehrman?
TrinityDesist 6 months ago
@TrinityDesist You didn't address 5:157 and 5:68 telling us that the 7th century Injil Christians had in their hands was reliable. Show from the 7th century an injil other than what I have - there's nothing. Prove historically such a text existed, quote it. Appealing to authority (Ehrman) isn't an argument, deal with the fact that Jesus spoke to Greek people in the early records. Ehrman says Jesus was crucified (A Historical Introduction to the Early Christian Writings, p. 197) do you agree?
KeithTruth 6 months ago
@KeithTruth First you need to update your agenda. 5:157 doesn't exist in Qur'aan. I want you to show me anywhere in Qur'aan says that gospel according to unknown people is same as given to prophet Isa a.s. Or just admit you lied.
Firstly, "Jesus never spoke Greek" is a explicit statement which is totally debunk your argument. Secondly, look at the book name that you gave me and tell me this statement is his own or early christian writers? oh yes we Muslim are fool.
Peace!
TrinityDesist 6 months ago
@TrinityDesist I meant 7:157, now address everything I said. If you use logic you will notice that appealing to an authority who claims "Jesus never spoke Greek" is not proof. It is just an assertion. I already showed you instances in the early records where Jesus spoke to numerous Greek speaking people. Second, in 1st century Palestine under Roman rule you had better known Greek when the Roman soldiers spoke to you. It was a bilingual society. The scholar N.T. Write notes this also.
KeithTruth 6 months ago
@KeithTruth Qur'aan 7:157, read in Arabic, (which states "the GOSPEL") and show me where it is says "the 4 GOSPELS" written by unknown people, the exact one given to Jesus p. Or simply admit you lied?
First i ever heard from somebody who says people of Palestinian spoke Greek at time of Jesus p. Probably, prof. Bart Ehrman wasn't know that before he made this statement. :)
TrinityDesist 6 months ago
@TrinityDesist You are not following. It says the Gospel was "WITH THEM" in the 7th century - in 7th century Christians hands. You have no historical or archaeological proof that Christians in the 7th century read anything other than what is in the NT as given to the NT church around the world. Plus the word "injil" comes from the Greek to Syriac to Arabic. The Syrian Christians called the 4 Gospels the "evangil" (singular) of Christ. Now, Ehrman said Christ was crucified, do you agree?
KeithTruth 6 months ago
@Kei The verse says they will find the Prophet in their scriptures. But i can't find anywhere in the verse says the Injeel with them is the same original Injeel (message) given to Jesus p. Now, you have to find me any historical or archaeological proof that your gospels are exact gospel that Jesus preached. Even, you don't have any proof the prove the name of your gospels. Only assumptions.
Ehrman said Jesus was crucified in the book called early CHRISTIAN writings?
Peace!
TrinityDesist 6 months ago
@TrinityDesist Your Muslim translators say the Injil here is the Gospel of the NT, so disagree with your own scholars not me:
"Those who follow the Messenger, the Prophet who can neither read nor write (i.e. Muhammad SAW) whom they find written with them in the Taurat (Torah) (Deut. xviii, 15) and the Injil (Gospel) (John xiv, 16)"
- Hilali-Khan 7:157
The evidence shows Christians in the 7th century were reading the NT. Show me historical 7th century books other than the NT or be banned
KeithTruth 6 months ago
@TrinityDesist John 5:30 Hmm so you read that verse and consider it true, then u must accept that if there is father, the one who is talking is the son(and allah doesn't have sons right?).But if u try to say that the "corrupted" bible is telling us that he isn't god well then u should read again the verses i sent. So using john to debate us is useless. u either must accept hole bible including john is corrupted or u must take the verses in the hole Context of the very verse.
HianJ0 6 months ago
@TrinityDesist Then u say that there is no 2 manuscripts that are alike? can u tell me where did u find that? because i can prove otherwise, and btw the very essence of the scriptures remain the same.but then u say it was written many centuries after jesus,well actually John wasn't written many centuries after, u should google:Rylands Library Papyrus P52 and check what is written there.Allah did such a great job deceiving every1 to think Jesus was killed...
HianJ0 6 months ago
@TrinityDesist And about trusting scriptures, ww have the dead sea scroll which matches with our OT, and not with the Torah u dont have which would say that Ishmael is the one elected by god.The manuscripts of the N.T matches in the very essence and most of them perfectly.But when we look at the quran we know for sure that isn't the quran muhammad wanted,because Muhamamd said we should ask to Ibn masud if we anted to learn about the quran verses,but the Uthman decide to leave out Ibn masud
HianJ0 6 months ago
@TrinityDesist and put this issue to make the quran in the hands on Zaid, which according to Ibn Masud, zaid was still a pagan when he was reciting many suras with the prophet.But when the mushaf is finished, the very Ibn Masud said that wasn't the quran he recited with the prophet and he didn't give his quran version to uthman to be burned and nor would accept Uthman version,so why is that? hmm muhamamd would've like the quran u have from a guy he didn't say was trustful like Ibn Masud?
HianJ0 6 months ago
@TrinityDesist But what happened when Masud died? well Uthman send ppl fast to his place and took his quran and burned.. why is that? hmm.. And even more we have many Hadith saying that the quran are missing verses like stoning,breast feeding :(Sahih Bukhari, vol. 8, p. 539)(other says that because an animal ate it!!!), or many surah saying that verses were being lost because many soldier who knew those verses were dying.
HianJ0 6 months ago
@TrinityDesist Sahih Bukhari 6:60:201, Sahih Bukhari 9:89:301,Sahih Bukhari 6:61:509,(LOST VERSES) Sahih Muslim 17:4194(Stoning),Al-Sira by al-'Iraqi,Ibn Hazm: "The verses of stoning and breast feeding were in the possession of A’isha in a (Qur’anic) copy. When Muhammad died and people became busy in the burial preparations, a domesticated animal entered in and ate it Ibn Hazm Volume 8, Part II, Pages 235 and 236.
HianJ0 6 months ago
@TrinityDesist Ibn Kathir:Uthman burned the rest of the copies which were in the hands of the people because they disagreed on the (correct) reading and they fought among themselves. When they came to take ibn Mas’ud’s copy to bum it, he told them, ‘I know more than Zayd ibn Thabit (whom ’Uthman ordered to collect the copies of the Qur’an).Uthman wrote to ibn Mas’ud asking him to submit his copy for burning.MORE: CANCELED verses: Sahih Bukhari 4:52:57,Sahih Bukhari 4:52:69,Sahih Bukhari 4:52:299
HianJ0 6 months ago
@TrinityDesist I can keep quoting more verses like those, even from tabari, and i also can quote Hadiths where muhammad forgot verses and some guy reminded him that,because it wasn't like it was written in his heart as muslims likes to think.BTW If u read the difference translation of the bible, the message remain the same and more in the most important verses,but muslims can't decide if sura 9:29 is "fight back" or "fight those" or if it says "willingly or unwillingly" or it says
HianJ0 6 months ago
@TrinityDesist "With submission" and feel "subdued"... Or even more u have clear changes and additions to the quran as Yusef Ali version which add the word "lightly" which is not found in the real quran... So why u trust the quran??... And even if it's preserved (which i can keep proving it's not), that means is the real word of god?Muslims had a "TrueTorah" in their hands (muhammad once said the torah he had in his hands was the real word of god)
HianJ0 6 months ago
@TrinityDesist So muslims were so busy taking care of the quran that they allowed to be corrupted the very basis of the religion which is the Torah? sounds to me like then we are not the only one who "corrupted" or let be "corrupted" the other books, since u also failed at that. I guess u have never thought about that, so u should think about it, since it would be a massive problem if there were actually a Muslim Torah older or at least contemporary with ours, but there ain't :S .. Peace.!
HianJ0 6 months ago
@TrinityDesist So again u quote complete out of context, i mean if u keep reading u find the explaination, but u just don't wanna do it, u wanna stay blind that's ur choice. Well i give u a good example of what u r doing before i leave this topic: Quran says Jesus is the word of Allah, the bible says "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God"That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world." So The quran accepts that Jesus is GOD!
HianJ0 6 months ago
@TrinityDesist 12Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.
13And whatsoever ye shall ASK IN MY NAME,THAT I WILL DO, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. (so here is saying that isn't he,also he is saying that "i WILL DO" so he will be omnipotent,omniscient,omnipresence etc. Interesting because whout those attributes he can't answer ur pray...
HianJ0 6 months ago
@Mushfiquejk he wasnt trying to out islam but out sami's decitful and ouble standards, oh u cristian have have to condone the God of the old testament or the violence, but in the same taken allah too responsable for, so sami's tactic if he thought about atually condemned him self and his own God
followerofjesus1984 1 year ago
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@KeithTruth these guys keep repeating this God is not a man , as if it proves there point, but the section refutes there position cause it is not plainly saying he is not a man, but is rather focusing on his promise, and if he cant become a man they need to look at for areas,genesis 3, genesis 18, genesis 30, and number 12 before they say that this passage supports there case
followerofjesus1984 1 year ago
@Mushfiquejk obviously u missed the point he was putting, that allah took responsability for all the harsh goings on in old testament, so when sammi sed us Christians should condem it n not codone it, which we do, this line of thought is very biased and is double standard , so that is the point kieth put a cross, he was off subject, just trying make sammi see his own error, in his logic
followerofjesus1984 1 year ago
i mean we condemn, but still in essence we do follow it as its there for a purpose which is to validate cirtain actions that God wont accept, like false worship, rape, and so much more
followerofjesus1984 1 year ago
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obviously u missed the point he was putting, that allah took responsability for all the harsh goings on in old testament, so when sammi sed us Christians should condem it n not codone it, which we do, this line of thought is very biased and is double standard , so that is the point kieth put a cross, he wasn't off subject, just trying make sammi see his own error, in his logic
followerofjesus1984 1 year ago
Quit trolling. Everyone knows he lost and I refuted him on everything. They censored me for doing something sami does in his other debates. Case closed.
KeithTruth 2 years ago
@KeithTruth
MIGHTY GOD in Hebrew is EL GIBO, which are only used of GOD HIMSELF
hannahr77 1 year ago
I was dotted for noting Sami's double standards. Sami has noted double standards in his debates where he feels that the Christian should not attack muhammad for certain things that he thinks BIblical prophets did too. So if you condemn me noting double standards then you have to condemn Zaatari's previous debates with David Wood.
The topic was Christianity yes but you can't understand that I was showing that allah took responsibility for the things Sami condemned.
KeithTruth 2 years ago
I was censored from the debate by the muslim moderators and red dotted. That is why I didn't record the final comments. Do you understand? .
KeithTruth 2 years ago
hi ! MITHRA WORSHIPER
how much do u get pay to spread lies??
villaessaouira 2 years ago
I made a film called Zeitgeist Part One Exposed: The Film which refutes the lie that Jesus was based off of false gods like krishna, mithra, horus etc... Then in my film new age infiltration of the truth movement I explain why the public (people like you) are being brainwashed to believe Jesus was a solar diety like mithra.
KeithTruth 2 years ago
Hey Keith have you read Too long under the sun by Richard Rives?Very interesting book read it if you have nt btw nice job on your works
God bless you
Amen
SonofJaphet 2 years ago
@KeithTruth isnt funny how stupid people are,,,they watch one youtube video and never research the FACTS and believe in these lies,,,,I love when they say Jesus was a take off of these fake GODS it just goes to show that they are sheep and follow ANYTHING that IS ANTI-CHRIST it proves GOD is correct men are evil and hate GOD
candiceevans1 1 year ago
HA HA destroying Islam thats a joke.
SUSTAIN22 2 years ago
Great Job Keith, I dont know why muslims always take bits and pieces of the bible to make an argument, but neglect the rest of the bible as if it means nothing.....
EvilZeroSc 2 years ago
also from your explanation i can say that jesus is yahweh himself.
so why don't christian call him in his older name as yahweh instead of jesus like
yahweh is our saviour
or...
yahweh is our lord and so on...
regards...
lodelane 3 years ago
Because Jesus is the mediator between man and God. He lowered himself in exaltation for us and said: "I am the way the truth and the life. No man comes to the father but by me." John 14:6
So when people say "Praise God" we are praising Father, Son and spirit. But because Jesus said he answers prayers and that he is the mediator we address Jesus Christ by name also.
KeithTruth 3 years ago
who is jesus,was his real name jesus?
j400wel 2 years ago
The historical record call his name "Yeshua" or "Iesous" which is translated as Jesus in English. If that was not him name, you need to provide historical evidence that says otherwise.
Mkvine 2 years ago
to this day christians in the holy land call god ALLAH,
yeshua in hebru means raised up
go look it up
evidence is allaround u,
u dont see to good
u dont understand to good
not my fault.
j400wel 2 years ago
I never raised up the issue about God, I said that in Hebrew Jesus' name is Yeshua and you haven't refuted this. Yes many names have meanings, but you have not given me any evidence that he was called otherwise.
Mkvine 2 years ago
one or three the analyser of the vid is stupid, one or three...
saharovski 3 years ago
Your allah must be stupid because he prayed to himself,
He it is who sends PRAYERS on you (Arabic- yusallii alaykum), as do His angels ... S. 33:43
Allah and His angels PRAY for the Prophet (Arabic- yasalluuna alan-Nabiyy): O ye that believe PRAY for him (salluu `alayhi), and salute him with all respect. S. 33:56
Who is Allah praying to? Who is Allah's allah? Don't talk to me about 3 or 1.
KeithTruth 3 years ago
is jesus is yahweh?
is yahweh the father?
is jesus the father?
is jesus the son?
was god staying in a womb for 9 month as everybody else?
was he running universe by himself or by his other 1/3rd?
lodelane 3 years ago
Jesus is not the father he is the son. The father was not in the womb. Do a religion 101 course.
KeithTruth 3 years ago
if the son in the womb that s 1/3rd
what were the father and the holly spirits ,the other 2/3rd, doing?
is each 1/3rd is fully autonomous? or are they dependant on each other?
you also did not tell me wether jesus is jehova or the son of jehova?
lodelane 3 years ago
Just because finite creatures may not fully comprehent the infinite creator of everything, that does not mean it is not true. That is point one.
Point two is Father, Son, Spirit are interdependant and are all fully God. Jehova is God and God revielved himself to humanity in 3 distinct persons. One being, 3 persons. This is why we see statements of divinity with respect to Jesus and the Spirit. When the spirit speaks it is God speaking. Jesus claimed to be the God who sent the spirit to John.
KeithTruth 3 years ago
thanks for your response,
with respect to your first point i totally agree with you.
my next question is are these interdependant DISTINCT persons equal?
also i had no answer about wether jesus is jehova himself or the son of jehova?
regards...
lodelane 3 years ago
They are distinct in their personhood but not their being. Me and you are both human being but we are different persons.They are equal in every respect yes. However when Jesus lowered himself and became a man, his exaltation was not equal but his essense was. But now he is exalted (john 17:5)
About yoru third question I did answer it. Jahova is God and God revielved himself to humanity in 3 distinct persons. So yes.
KeithTruth 3 years ago
keithTruth,
thanks for being open minded.
so these three in one god are either INTERDEPENDENT or EQUAL in every respect ,as you mentioned, i.e. each unit doesn't need the other (independent).
regards...
lodelane 3 years ago
Interdependent means Mutually dependent. Because they are in perfect unity as one God. They cannot be seperated in essense.
KeithTruth 3 years ago
@lodelane to understand it needs to be put as God, which is an entity, which is shared by 3 divine partaker / person
so jusus is both God and the son of God, but for u to get a clearer understanding, we need to explain it, in a way that will tell you the basics,
followerofjesus1984 1 year ago
so he is God the second partaker, and he is the begotten son of God
which mean unique essence of the living God, which share the one nature with the father n the spirit as the whole being of God
followerofjesus1984 1 year ago
first of all the trinity does not exist in the time of jesus and as you said 3 person in one in unity...by the way do you understand what does means perosn person person...and read bible how could you justify man as god who born with women...by the way bible says if a boy born with women she will be impure for 40 day jesus trinity god impured his clean mother sound so ridicolous..hahahah
strangerlover11 3 years ago
The trinity does exist in the bible. And the early church recognized it aswell.
Don't ever talk bad about God.
KeithTruth 3 years ago
I dont know what you are trying to say but all koran does is talk about jesus. read up on it , and islam is a prophetic religion like mormons , Mohammad was a prophet not a messiah.
conspinut12 3 years ago
his logic that the bible says mohammid is a prophet from God is flawwed God says flat out even if the person tells the future... does mircles, if they tell you to worship another God they ARE NOT FROM GOD. mohhamid tells us to not worship Yahweh, but to worship "allah".
amanda366 3 years ago
Allah translates to God...do you worship yahweh or Jesus..you say Jesus is Yahweh if you are christian isnt it...what to Arabic christians and Jews call God to be ..its "Allah".Jesus spoke Aramaic..may be syric.what is God in Aramaic..elaha or allaha in syriac...
ariffcts 3 years ago
hahhahah bro dont make we think. im not limiting gods power god say self in the quran that if he wished he had a son he could have it but why would god need a son. Its you limiting gods power he freed a whole people from slavery and you think then he need a son for making twelv apostles and some women to follow him. no of course not but you are a christian you think what you think i dont care.
islammessag 3 years ago
I don't think God "needs" to do anything. He operates according to what he wants to do because he is all powerful. And he is also all loving and because he is all loving he had Jesus his son "empty Himself, taking the form of a bond-servant, and being made in the likeness of men."Phil. 2:5-8
You ask why would God need a son? God is not subject to anything and if he decides to send his only son then WE NEED to accept his free gift of salvation.
Please answer my earlier question about islam.
KeithTruth 3 years ago
again you are limiting gods power. He can show his love however you want yes you right but didnt he also says he is the only god. He could simple bring jesus without making himself to jesus. Second you said only accept it brother when you pray are you praying to jesus or to god. soem christians when they pray its sound like jesus and god is two diffrent persons. so either jesus is the son of god and it meanas christianity is paganism or god could still bring love from jesus without being his.
islammessag 3 years ago
We believe he is only one God but because of his unlimited power he revieled himself in 3 persons of the trinity. 1 God revieled in 3 persons.
I pray to God when I pray. But your prophet prayed to the 3 daughters of the moon God and prostrated himself with the polytheists. (al tabari p.111)
Jesus is risen and you muslims will never take over Israel.
KeithTruth 3 years ago
Isn't it interesting that these people are stagnant in their knowledge yet the Nazarene Sect is reforming and punching a whole into that Islamic crap?
OrlandoParty2K 3 years ago
hahahahaha trinianity that god is in one person and not thre seperate person hahah keit there is some problems here bro. If you read the bible you can see that jesus (peace be upon him) prayed for god and was taling to him while on the cross. Second the bird who was sent donw to him after the baptism of jhon and then a voice was heard from the heaven: you are my only son who i love. So does jesus(peace be upon him speaking to himself.
islammessag 3 years ago
You are limiting Gods power. Jesus was fully man and fully God. He had 2 natures. So we accept Jesus praying. Jesus was worshiped as God and blessed Thomas for doing so. He claimed the "I AM" title. He claimed to be the unique son of God, distinct from all angels and prophets. He claimed to be omnipresent. Jesus claimed to be the only way to heaven.
Who Was the First Muslim? Muhammad [6:14, 163], Moses [7:143], some Egyptians [26:51], or Abraham [2:127-133, 3:67] or Adam, [2:37]?
KeithTruth 3 years ago
great work.
BloodStainedLamb 3 years ago
major Pwnage.
watch?v=nKrvCVAD2xA
TheStudentTeacher 3 years ago
islam was created by a misstranslation of greek from a christian monk.
frasernater13 3 years ago
huh?
Celsus22 3 years ago
2 Corinthians 4:3- And even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing, 4- in whose case the god of this world (*allah*/Satan) has blinded the minds of the unbelieving so that they might not see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.
Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for unless you believe that I am He, you will die in your sins. John 8:24
Romans 3:4 Let God be true and every man a liar.
Muhammadur Rasul Shaytaan.
islamsins 3 years ago
Excellent video and how true.........
It's sad that so many people are deceived by this blood shedding, raping, lying, deceiving, slave owning/trading, opportunistic, maffialike psychopath(muhammad)....
Even if I didn't know the Truth of the Bible I NEVER would become a follower of this violent madman(muhammad).......
Stop the nonsens muslims, repent, confess your sins, believe in the LORD JESUS and be saved before you'll join your alleged 'prophet' in hell......
JESUS IS LORD!!
IchtusDeogloria 3 years ago
Very insightful.
germanicelt 3 years ago
I'll admit that I find these videos interesting, but I don't see the point of two major religions arguing incessantly like this. Obviously, neither side will ever make so much as a dent in the base of the other. Both sides continue to believe that their faith is the way and that they have won each exchange. You could argue the subject to death, but it will have no effect on the insidious intentions of the elite. Faith won't save you in this world--have you all given up on opposing the elite?
LPBguy 3 years ago
This is part of that.
germanicelt 3 years ago
I see your point.
William Cooper said that the elites are trying to destroy Christianity (eventually all major religions in order to institute the New Age movement), so exchanges like these are technically fighting the NWO by legitimizing Christianity. I guess I just find it troubling because it is a polarizing practice that unifies Christians while making members of other faiths feel excluded. More people than just Christians should oppose the NWO--they are a problem for all mankind.
LPBguy 3 years ago
True, but remember this fight is for our eternal being whereas fighting the NWO is still for a perishable crown. Whether we like it or not we are going to depart from this world anyway, and then what?
germanicelt 3 years ago
yeah I have a question since when does being a pedophile, and killing people (mohammed) constitute being a prophet. Islam is a sham!!
gmako74 3 years ago
Jesus is Lord
ofreshartist 3 years ago
God is one .. not three in one
Sami Zaatari .. you're the best
keep it up Sami..
DefendingIslam 3 years ago
"Let us make man in our image" that is "us" as in more that one, thus the Trione God is still possible.
neomaster911 3 years ago
the plural is to indicate the all-inclusiveness of God's attributes of authority and power, the plurality of majesty. It is customary for one in authority to speak of himself as if he were a plurality.
DefendingIslam 3 years ago
So if you believe God can have a multiplicity of attributes and not seize to be God why can't you accept that God is powerful enough to reviel himself to creation in 3 persons and not seize to be God?
Why, in your world view, is it impossible for God to lower himself to a human, out of love for his creation? Is God not powerful enough to enter into creation and not sieze to be God?
Also, your intepretation of the plurality is just subjective and doesn't fit with the context.
KeithTruth 3 years ago
How can Jesus be God when the Bible says God is not a man?
Numbers 23:19"God IS NOT man, that he should lie, or a son of man, that he should change his mind. Has he said, and will he not do it? Or has he spoken, and will he not fulfill it?"
1 Samuel 15:29
Hosea 11:9 ...etc
DefendingIslam 3 years ago
So did God change his mind and become a man?! Since the bible says:
Malachi 3:6 GOD Almighty does not change his mind ! "For I [am] the LORD, I change NOT; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed."
DefendingIslam 3 years ago
It doesn't say God CANNOT be a man, but that God IS not a man, major difference: Its true that during the Old Testament period God hadn't become a man, but this doesn't deny that God could choose to later become a man for the world. The OT itself supports the view that God can become a man, without ceasing to be God, since there are places where God appeared in human form: Genesis 18:1-5, 8-10a, 13-17, 20-26, 33.
It wasn't until 2000 years that Jesus, the Word, became flesh (John 1:1,14).
KeithTruth 3 years ago
You should go and learn christianity !
sahil299 3 years ago
So I am still waiting for a logical reason as to why YOU feel that God is not powerful enough to enter into creation and not seize to be God.
Hopefully you won't try to distort my scripture next time. I await a logical reason.
KeithTruth 3 years ago
'So I am still waiting for a logical reason...'
Simply because everything in the realm of creation even speed of light is finite and limited...NOT powerful enough to contain nor to sustain the characteristical definition of God which is the absence of limits (Absolute infinite).
And NO..we are not limiting God's power since paradox surfaces when you apply the rule of finite into the transfinite...and you can NOT apply anything into the Absolute Infinite.... not to mention it's a blasphemy...
ReflectedNoor 3 years ago
@DefendingIslam this one is about God promise to the israelites to keep them safe
followerofjesus1984 1 year ago
First of all, the verse says that God is not a man in the sense that he would lie, or repent (from sin). Therefore, there is no problem here because this statement is not against Jesus being God in flesh, but against God being able to sin. It is like me saying, "I am not a man who robs banks." The statement is not saying that I am not a man, that I am not a man who robs banks. Likewise, God is not a man that he would lie.
KeithTruth 3 years ago
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followerofjesus1984 1 year ago
True God is not a man, but we have to make a distinction. God the Son put human flesh on himself. So Jesus the Son of God, is one person with two natures, a divine nature and a human nature. Maybe this can help... humans have a spirit(soul) and a body so they are one person with two natures. With Jesus, he had a spirit and a Body as well, the Spirit was God the son, and the Body was just human. God the son dwelled inside the human Jesus. So thats why we say he was fully divine and fully human
Mkvine 2 years ago
a load of kkkkac kkk
j400wel 2 years ago
@Mkvine i dont mean to be out of order hear, but ur comment is very misguided, as God the father has been a man, in genesis 3 , genesis 18, and 30, numbers 12,
so please check it out
followerofjesus1984 1 year ago
@followerofjesus1984
I never said that God the Father can't take on a human form, so I don't know where you got that from.
Mkvine 1 year ago
@Mkvine ok im sorry
followerofjesus1984 1 year ago
@DefendingIslam first of al number 23 : 19, is soley about God promise to us if u believe it to be about God being a man , then i will point you to genesis 3, genesis 18, genesis 30, and lastly number 12 where God clearly was seen in human form
followerofjesus1984 1 year ago
@DefendingIslam then you say 1 samuel 15 : 29, yet again its about same situation his promise, look at the passage i gave before and the next one u mutilate cause its based on promise
followerofjesus1984 1 year ago
Great video my friend
bikerfarmape 3 years ago
niiiiice one bro!
ShinobiDJ79 3 years ago
Great video.
JeffTheDude777 3 years ago
one reason why i really like your videos is because you have can confirm your arguments with such an amount of sources which this video is demonstrating one more time ;)
Deliratio 3 years ago