Holy Communion

[cubaniton74]

I command sight to come to the eyes of my brother, brother, receive your sight in the name of Jesus, amen.

[brokenscimitar]

Eating the flesh of Jesus? Simulating the drinking of his blood? And you loony Christians thought that atheists are weird!

[nuduaspiaggia]

The sacrament is not confected in Lutheranism since it lacks Holy Orders.

[biry0501]

@nuduaspiaggia Where can I find these 'Holy Orders' in the Bible?

[nuduaspiaggia]

@biry0501 Where in the Bible is the rule that everything you must believe is in the Bible?

[biry0501]

@nuduaspiaggia I am not going to argue that with you.

But in the Lutheran understanding of the Holey Communion, of which this video is about, we take a point of view of Holy Communion directly from the Gospels and Pauline Letters. The 'Holy Orders', while I am not sure what it is, is not biblical and is, therefore, not observed in the Lutheran tradition.

[nuduaspiaggia]

@biry0501 In the first chapter of Acts we see the apostles must find someone to replace Judas' office, which he left vacant with his death; this is the office of bishop, called "elder" in St. Paul's letters. We also have evidence of presbyters (priests) and deacons in the same letters.

Besides this, however, the idea that one must believe only what is biblical is itself unbiblical. Your claim is that Lutherans believe only what is biblical, a belief which is itself not to be found in the Bible.

[biry0501]

@nuduaspiaggia I am inclined to agree with you... liturgical calendars, for instance, is not biblical but we still observe them. But when it comes to sacraments, we try to still as close to the Word as possible. I respect other views on that, as to most Lutherans. I was just saying that this was a film about the Lutheran observance of the Holy Communion and, as such, your original comment did not really apply to this video.

[nuduaspiaggia]

@biry0501 Unfortunately, my comment does apply. What Lutherans and other Protestants do is have liturgical theater in their churches. Nothing divine actually happens in them because Protestants departed from the true Christian faith, which is preserved entire and inviolate in the Catholic Church and in the Orthodox Church to a lesser degree.

[biry0501]

@nuduaspiaggia Well, I am afraid we are going to have a disagreement there, which will likely not ever be reconciled. Evangelical Catholics, such as Lutherans, did not leave the Holy Catholic and Apostolic church--only the Roman Catholic church as a human institutio, due to direct conflicts with the Scriptures--many of which the Roman Catholic Church has itself renounced hence. We still and always view the papacy and prayer to saints as idolatry, which keeps us from re-uniting.

[nuduaspiaggia]

@biry0501 Consequently, your objections will also separate you from God, eventually permanently in the afterlife, especially since you willfully disobey Him and His Church.

[biry0501]

@nuduaspiaggia Well, many Lutherans are inclined to say the same to Roman Catholics, as we consider the Roman Catholic Church organization to be in willful disobedience to the Word of God. I do not feel I am in a position of judgment over others. But I am obligated by my Christian faith to encourage you to study the Scriptures and apply them critically so you can avoid the misleading teachings of that organization, including that erroneous statement you just made about separation and Grace.

[nuduaspiaggia]

@biry0501 What you are overlooking is plain history (which shows that the Catholic Church is the original) and that your own theology (sola scriptura) is self-defeating.

Sola Scriptura is the belief that one everything you must believe is in the Bible. However, nowhere in the Bible does it say that everything you must believe is in the Bible.

[biry0501]

@nuduaspiaggia Also, the Roman Church is not 'original' in human organization as the Eastern Church. So if you are looking to the history of human history to legitimize the Roman Catholic Church, you will be disappointed. But our Bishops also have apostolic succession. We look to the Holy Catholic and Apostolic succession, which we clearly hold and confess. We Evangelical Catholics returned to the teachings of Christ and the Holy Sea refused to join us. Theologically, we did not leave--Rome did.

[nuduaspiaggia]

@biry0501 The Orthodox Church broke off from the Catholic Church in 1054. Many Eastern Catholics remained in communion with Rome, never entering into schism, such as the Greek Catholics in Sicily and Calabria, and Maronite Catholics in Lebanon. Lutheran bishops, like Anglican bishops, lost apostolic succession when the rites of ordination were changed; the conference of holy orders, like all sacraments, depends on matter, form, and intent.

[nuduaspiaggia]

@biry0501 cont'd: Some Lutheran groups also changed the matter by allowing women to be ordained.

You left communion with Rome and God. You have forsaken Him in your pride and are outside salvation.

[biry0501]

@nuduaspiaggia We also ordain women because there is more support in Paul's letters and Acts for than against it.

[nuduaspiaggia]

@biry0501 There is no evidence in St. Paul's letters for the ordination of women. Soon to be Blessed John Paul II said it best: The Church does not have the authority to ordain women.

Those who do ordain women claim to have such lofty an authority, and thus put themselves up against God Himself.

[biry0501]

@biry0501 Then I encourage you to re-read Acts and Letters. There are many, many counts of Paul placing women in church leadership throughout Paul's letters and Acts.

[biry0501]

@biry0501 I would encourage you to re-read the Revelation of John to see where we find the authority of Scripture. Also, I would agree with you that Sola Scriptura, by itself, is in error. Martin Luther spoke of Sola Scriptura, Sola Fide, and Sola Gracae. These three stand together and never alone.

[EqualAndFree]

Isn't consuming blood specifically forbidden in the Old Testament? Even if it's only symbolic isn't the symbolism misguided?

Deuteronomy 12:16 "But you must not eat the blood; pour it out on the ground like water"

Leviticus 17:10 "Any Israelite or any alien living among them who eats any blood--I will set my face against that person who eats blood and will cut him off from his people"

Acts 15:29 "You must abstain... from consuming blood"

Isn't consuming human blood like an Aztec ceremony?

[john62718hd]

If someone has "never heard a more worthless explaination of HC, ---they haven't heard much. You heard Christ is TRULY PRESENT, TRULY EATEN AND DRUNK, TRULY FORGIVES SINS and GIVES NEW LIFE. Unstop your ears brothers and sisters. Christ speaks loud enough for all to hear.

[BHTX84]

This video is a joke, right?

[sundrop1974]

I have never seen a more worthless explination of the Eucharist. Even more worthless are the comments made here, apostates and hereitics all around. "Out of Vogue" My God.

[ImEmile]

Actually his semantics were pretty accurate. If you read his works his use of language was extraordinary. ;)

[karpov89]

You are unclear.

[karpov89]

Indeed lutheran faith is very close to the catholic faith. Lutheran does not talk about the sacrifice of the mass, but indeed, we are bringing forward our sacrifice of our prayers, our collection and the bread and wine, and Jesus Christ is sacrificing himself in the bread and wine - but it is the one and only sacrifice for all times and not a new one. That we lutherans and catholics agree on. Interesting video, does the ELCA have no priests (like the Scandinavian churches), only pastors?

[DerektheDuctTape]

AS often as you do this ,do it in rememeverance of Me, it is in 1 cor 11, it means to me that every meal is to be holy communion.

[vshendrix]

COMMUNION, IS RECOGNIZING THE FACT THAT OUR SALVATION WAS PURCHASED WITH THE BLOOD OUR SAVIOUR SPLIT ON THAT OLD RUGGED CROSS, AND HIS SUBSEQUENT RESSURRECTION. JESUS IS, WAS, AND WILL CONTINUE TO BE THE REASON FOR THE SEASON. HAPPY HOLIDAYS!!!!!!!!!! MAY THE MOST HIGH GOD OF THE UNIVERSE, THE CREATOR OF ALL BLESS HIS CHILDREN, ALL OF HIS OFFSPRING THE RIGHTEOUS & THE wicked. AMEN!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Temptuous2112]

Are we so far from Christ that we do not know him? Communion defined is The act of sharing; community; participation. The essence of Christ is found in the grace of giving. We should share our food share our wine with each other together. All food is from God, A meal is Gods daily gift. Share each meal in Jesus name.

God Bless

[ukidding]

holy communion

man made god in his own image.

but man shares 97% of the chimp's dna

so god must be mostly ape.

the implications for

holy communion would be to have a banana wafer to suck on, in recognition of the essential preferences of god.

[wildwillie00]

This statement appears to be made from an athiest. It takes an idiot to say something like that and anyone who blasphemes God will pay dearly.

[ukidding]

god and the leprechaun, the fairy and the unicorn...all related in folklore

[XXmusicXXvideosXX]

i would insult you back,

but nothing i can say or do to you will compare to the pain you will suffer on judgement day.

unless you repent and change your coarse.

God loves you, and Jesus loves you.

The church loves every non-believer and i will pray for you.

[ukidding]

hell is a stone age idea to keep superstitious and fearful people in their place.

There is no god, and jesus ls like you and me, just another human.

Fight your fears!

[man4ourseason]

god picked a special day wine and bread to be his body and blood. the church without authority changed those. without any scriptural authority. so your communion means nothing. have a nice day

[XXmusicXXvideosXX]

the bible never states what day to take communion on, so if you want to continue in your baptist ways then thats fine, but there is nothing wrong with taken communion regularly. the fact that jesus shed his blood for us is why we go to church in the first place, so why not celebrate the thing for which we are there.

ohh, and DONT have a nice day.

[seltian]

Do Lutherans believe in the Real Prescence like Catholics do?

[AnHonestChristian]

The difference b/t Catholic and Lutheran theology on the Eucharist is that Catholicism teaches the bread and wine are entirely flesh and blood, while Christ's sacrifice is literally being reenacted. Lutheranism states that the bread and wine are also Christ's body and blood, but that they also remain bread and wine, with Christ's sacrifice not being reenacted.

[seltian]

K, thanks!

[bobbyke31]

No, Catholics carry out the command of the Lord by celebrating the MEMORIAL of the sacrifice. They don't re-sacrifice him. In so doing, we offer to the Father what he has himself given us: the gifts of his creation, bread and wine which, by the power of the Holy Spirit and by the words of Christ, have become the body and blood of Christ. Christ is thus really and mysteriously made present.

[AnHonestChristian]

I more recently learned that the "sacrificial" element of the Mass is actually untrue. My apologies.

You and I share a common ground in regard to the Real Presence and "doing in remembrance," however, no where in Scripture does it say that the elements become the Body and Blood. Rather, as St. Paul reaffirms, the elements are Christ's body and blood. There is no transformation ever mentioned.

[HolyVegeta]

Exactly why do protestants believe that Holy Communion is only a way of symbolism?

[DerektheDuctTape]

Jesus said it was symbolism, Jesus never said this became, only that this represents.

[urrlick]

That's not true at all, but you're entitled to your errors, I guess.

[Azarien]

You Lutheran heretics... [no offence, just the truth from Catholic point of view ;-)]

[ASKconard]

I applaud the Lutheran position on Holy Communion. With regard to the Catholic position, they don't believe they are actually knawing on Jesus's arm. It's more about absorbing Christ's presence.

[REPENTandBELIEVE]

When we believe on Jesus Christ as our personal Saviour, the Holy Spirit of God actually comes to live inside of us, never to be purged like the physical bread of the Eucharist (which goes out in the dung)! A Catholic who believes they are digesting Jesus at Eucharist, must also believe that Jesus is in their feces! This is how ridiculous the Catholic religion is!

[seekerj2]

Luther and Catholics hold that the bread and wine are transformed in a mysterious way, totally up to the power of God. See video about 8:00-9:20 minute part of video. How you present it (biological) takes away the mystery of God. By your analysis it seems that Jesus could not reverse the biological effects of death (Lazarus) or Chemically transform water into wine. Jesus said it, we believe it...no matter how hard one argues against the impossibility...God can do anything !

[Gregyboweggy]

Oh so right! Taking communion is not literally eating Jesus' flesh and drinking wine/grape juice is not literally drinking His blood...it is simply done in "remembrance" of Him (Luke 22:19) we know that the breaking and bleeding of Christ's body was for the remission of sins and one only partakes of that during repentance,baptism, infilling of His Spirit.

[mistie101]

i went to a holy communionn today it was lovely-even tho im not a catholic im a christian but its was a friend of the familys daughter so yh

[wallys333]

This site is from the evangelical LUTHERAN church in america. We do believe in the real presence of Christ in the Lord's supper. We are not ROMAN Catholic -- but part of the church universal (catholic), which is called the body of Christ. If you belive that you recieve the body and blood of Christ in the Lord's Supper and are a baptized believer you are welcome to our table.

[mistie101]

thts good x

[Waybread]

I actually chose my username here for its Euchiristic symoblisim as Waybread is a Euchiristic refereance in Tolkien's LOTR trilogy.

[ohawarrior02]

Thank God!! this Video is Very True!! and I believe that everyone should see it!!

Thank You!

God Bless,

Rebecca

Advent Lutheran in OP,Florida

Florida-Bahamas Synod

[schmarcie]

Thanks and praise be to God for Holy Communion---the Body, the Blood and the Divinity; through Jesus Christ our Lord. A means of grace and a taste of heaven on earth. Amen.

Taste and see that the Lord is good;

blessed is the man who takes refuge in him. Psalm 34:8