Ive thought about suicide as well but decided to live instead and "enjoy" what's left of the high point of human comfort and luxury, at least in the West. I only have enough savings for a few months and the rest I spend. Retirement is a joke as is any other long term "financial goals".
@screwoffreg Same here. Except I'm also learning permaculture and some survival skills, and making other preparations as well as trying to disconnect from this corrupt dying system. I don't want to be a part of it anymore. Hopefully I can help someone to survive, and hopefully they will embrace a sustainable lifestyle. Because I'm probably not going to make it more than maybe a few years post-collapse unless my health improves.
A deft attempt at fear-mongering.If there's one thing this video succeeds in making me fearful of, it's the fact that ignoramuses who have no understanding of economics, like the producers of this video, are by far the majority.Particularly at odds with reality is the section dealing with disease.The World Health Organization keeps good data on these things--disease plays a smaller role in human life than at any other time in human history, and every indication suggests that trend will continue.
@CognitiveImbias Those who apparently know the field of economics very well are the ones that got us here in the first place. So take my advice and shove it, because I won't waste any more time arguing the side effects this sick game you people try to perpetuate.
@CognitiveImbias Thermodynamics trumps economics. Chronic diseases are on the rise, and petrochemical pharmaceuticals are used to "manage" them, but not to cure. Petrochemicals require petroleum, AKA oil.
@johan404 I'm not sure what thermodynamics has to do with the rest of your comment, perhaps you can enlighten me. As far as disease goes, I strongly suggest you take the time to actually look at the data. Who knows what new and interesting things you might learn.
@johan404 I'm saying the economy is a subsystem of nature, and the laws of nature will always trump economics. A modern human can't live on 600 calories per day. Our economy can't function unless it grows infinitely, and an economy can't grow without an increase in consumption. Infinite growth on a finite planet is not possible. In fact, even agriculture is unsustainable because there is always a net loss of nutrients from the soil, which will add up untill there's nothing left.
@johan404 I can't meaningfully tackle your economics concerns before you know what economics is. At this point, we just aren't speaking the same language. I suggest you read Henry Hazlitt's "Economics in One Lesson" as a starting point. It's a great read and not that long, and you can find it for free online. Suffice it to say, the view that an economy relies on continual grown is erroneous. Growth is a product of a successful economy, not the cause of it.
@CognitiveImbias What I think you're insinuating is that we can fix all of this with some economic trickery, while ignoring the fundamentals like natural resources and energy. Economies don't rely on growth to function? Huh, what happens when an economy doesn't grow?
@johan404 Seriously, this discussion is destined to be totally unproductive until you know something about economics. Right now, you sound like a creationist arguing against evolution without ever having studied biology. Do your homework, then we can talk. The book I mentioned earlier can be read in a weekend. It won't give you a full understanding of the field, but it will at least enable you to speak the language.
@CognitiveImbias I know a lot about economics. You haven't really explained what you claim to know, you just said "Oh, you don't know economics" ... and then didn't elaborate. Why don't you elaborate first, so I can get a better idea of exactly what you want to say.
@johan404 Your earlier comments betray the true extent of your understanding of economics, but I'll humor you for a bit if you like. I made the claim that growth is a product of a thriving economy, rather than the cause of it. You answered with by posing the rhetorical question of "what happens when an economy doesn't grow?" Why don't you go ahead and fill me in here--what do you think the answer to that question is?
@CognitiveImbias Empirical evidence shows that when an economy doesn't grow, it goes into what's called a "recession" and eventually a "depression" if there's negative growth. Hence, because people don't want to live in a failing system, economies require infinite growth, which is not possible due to physical limitations. In today's world it's even more complicated though, because the global economy is glued together with enormous amounts of debt, which is to be paid back with interest.
@johan404 A period of GDP decline is the definition of recession, it has nothing to do with evidence. But GDP is a product of an economy, not the economy itself. "The economy" is the total wealth-productive capacity of a population.When healthy, it will produce excess wealth if there are available resources.This excess wealth may be used to grow wealth-productive capacity.In other words, growth requires increased resource usage, but increased resource usage is not required for a healthy economy.
@johan404 (continued) An economy is healthy when there are enough available resources to cover the upkeep costs of it's wealth-producing infrastructure (workers fed and housed, machinery repaired, etc). If Earth were a closed system of finite resources, this system would inevitably fail. But the Earth is not a closed system-life would never have evolved if it were (thermodynamics). As long as the Sun exists, there is an influx of resources that can keep an economy healthy, even if it can't grow.
Don't worry about dying, just keep sucking on your fluoride toothpaste and mercury soft drinks and eating pesticides and hormones in your food and whatever you do, do NOT look up in the sky to see what they are doing to the atmosphere.
ECOSCIENCE Read it Our new Science (HA) CZAR wrote that book and it's about culling the population so the rich may inhabit the earth like Eden. The Oil companies will make billions on this new program. They pretended not to like it to confuse you people WAKE UP
The SUN is making all the planets WARMER now. Not just Planet EARTH.
This has happened before and will happen again and we can use cleaner energy because it is FREE, like solar, because it makes sense. BUT NOT BECAUSE A FEW RICH PEOPLE WILL GET EVEN RICHER WITH CARBON TAXEs AND CAP AND TRADE like big phat al gore AND OBAMA IS ONE OF THEM. That's what the Globalists WANT YOU TO DO. WAKE UP Our problems are with a corrupt government ruling like a monarch, like O.
This isnt about politics or elections or religion or the rich and the poor. All that is just byproduct of one large problem. and this problem is like any problem. it has its cause and effect. we are living in the effect right now. and it is up to our generation to face the cause and turn the tide of this part of human history around before we go extinct. our generation is not like any generations before. they lived by this culture, not realizing what they are doing...(cont)
But whithin the past 50 years, we finally see the long lived effects of the culture that is telling us a story of corruption and total control of everything. our generation will be left with a choice, either change or die out. because in 200 years we are either going to be living in a different culture, or we are not going to be here at all. to solve the problem we need a new revolution...
like the Renaissance or the industrial revolution. where people started to think a different way. ideas of individuals building upon each other, going in the direction of sustainability and population control.
Dude make a reference? And why seems so complex? The most important things are so simple that you can believe them, so I ask why this can be true? And I don`t buy their propaganda! Usually I found out by my self that the true does not belong to the masses but to the few... I do think that this apply to this climate change ass well.
Your right and wrong. Global warming is happening, they are not making it up. They are using it. If you don't recognize that you will make the NWO message fade away.
nicely done. the voice, the thought, the images.. it makes me repeat the sentence I do repeat often: I just don´t need anything.. just mountains, air and personal strenght in the society I am living in
I wanted to elaborate on the below....Think about what's happening in South Africa now...foreigners are being scapegoated for economic problems. As the economy starts to collapse, extremist governments will be elected who will seek blame. The people blamed will be as always: immigrants, minorities, religious minorities, homosexuals, etc. This is coming sooner than you think. Prepare.
When I originally started reading about Peak Oil, and reading the works of Derrick Jensen, I actually considered committing suicide for a while. Now I've decided to live my life...but I've stopped saving for my retirement (there isn't going to be one) and am trying to live through the, perhaps, 20 years that I have before the world as we know it starts to collapse around us (governments reaction to this will be to try to find scapegoats...think Germany 1933 on a much larger scale).
I wouldn't give up so easily. Our trust in science might be misplaced... I mean yes, it is... We don't know if all the claims are absolutely true, we know that some of them turned out to be false in the past... I did a research about it and global warming as we know it is exaggerated for political purposes.
I don't know much about peak oil, but could very well be the same case. But even if it's a potential disaster, there are ways to avoid it. The first step is to be enthusiastic enough...
take into consideration that the author of the original Peak Oil reports back in 1956 (M King Hubbert) was a geologist employed by Shell Oil. seems to be a slight conflict of interest there. i get the impression that it's a scapegoat for the oil companies to jack the prices. "oh we don't have any control on the prices it's all because of peak oil." i could be wrong though but you gotta admit there's somethin fishy about the whole thing.
the most obvious reason is that what he predicted actually came about, the US peak of 1971. australia and a bunch of other countries followed. the world is now about to or has already also peaked. it stands to reason, there is x amount of oil in the ground, and we have pumped x/2 out. why is that so difficult to understand. it's scary but it's what it is. now get to your local permaculture or transition town movement and start preparing. operative word is NOW.
This documentary is so brilliant! Congratulations to the authors, awesome compilation of sensitivity, knowledge, phylosophy... Poetic and scientific, beautifully narrated. THANKS!
We have already reached 7 billion
rapauli 1 year ago
Ive thought about suicide as well but decided to live instead and "enjoy" what's left of the high point of human comfort and luxury, at least in the West. I only have enough savings for a few months and the rest I spend. Retirement is a joke as is any other long term "financial goals".
screwoffreg 1 year ago
@screwoffreg Same here. Except I'm also learning permaculture and some survival skills, and making other preparations as well as trying to disconnect from this corrupt dying system. I don't want to be a part of it anymore. Hopefully I can help someone to survive, and hopefully they will embrace a sustainable lifestyle. Because I'm probably not going to make it more than maybe a few years post-collapse unless my health improves.
johan404 1 year ago
A deft attempt at fear-mongering.If there's one thing this video succeeds in making me fearful of, it's the fact that ignoramuses who have no understanding of economics, like the producers of this video, are by far the majority.Particularly at odds with reality is the section dealing with disease.The World Health Organization keeps good data on these things--disease plays a smaller role in human life than at any other time in human history, and every indication suggests that trend will continue.
CognitiveImbias 1 year ago
@CognitiveImbias Grab your economics and shove it.
ohnoemynameistaken 1 year ago
@ohnoemynameistaken Thank you for your well-reasoned response. Keep up the good work.
CognitiveImbias 1 year ago
@CognitiveImbias Those who apparently know the field of economics very well are the ones that got us here in the first place. So take my advice and shove it, because I won't waste any more time arguing the side effects this sick game you people try to perpetuate.
ohnoemynameistaken 1 year ago
@CognitiveImbias Thermodynamics trumps economics. Chronic diseases are on the rise, and petrochemical pharmaceuticals are used to "manage" them, but not to cure. Petrochemicals require petroleum, AKA oil.
johan404 1 year ago
@johan404 I'm not sure what thermodynamics has to do with the rest of your comment, perhaps you can enlighten me. As far as disease goes, I strongly suggest you take the time to actually look at the data. Who knows what new and interesting things you might learn.
CognitiveImbias 1 year ago
@johan404 I'm saying the economy is a subsystem of nature, and the laws of nature will always trump economics. A modern human can't live on 600 calories per day. Our economy can't function unless it grows infinitely, and an economy can't grow without an increase in consumption. Infinite growth on a finite planet is not possible. In fact, even agriculture is unsustainable because there is always a net loss of nutrients from the soil, which will add up untill there's nothing left.
johan404 1 year ago
@johan404 I can't meaningfully tackle your economics concerns before you know what economics is. At this point, we just aren't speaking the same language. I suggest you read Henry Hazlitt's "Economics in One Lesson" as a starting point. It's a great read and not that long, and you can find it for free online. Suffice it to say, the view that an economy relies on continual grown is erroneous. Growth is a product of a successful economy, not the cause of it.
CognitiveImbias 1 year ago
@CognitiveImbias What I think you're insinuating is that we can fix all of this with some economic trickery, while ignoring the fundamentals like natural resources and energy. Economies don't rely on growth to function? Huh, what happens when an economy doesn't grow?
johan404 1 year ago
@johan404 Seriously, this discussion is destined to be totally unproductive until you know something about economics. Right now, you sound like a creationist arguing against evolution without ever having studied biology. Do your homework, then we can talk. The book I mentioned earlier can be read in a weekend. It won't give you a full understanding of the field, but it will at least enable you to speak the language.
CognitiveImbias 1 year ago
@CognitiveImbias I know a lot about economics. You haven't really explained what you claim to know, you just said "Oh, you don't know economics" ... and then didn't elaborate. Why don't you elaborate first, so I can get a better idea of exactly what you want to say.
johan404 1 year ago
@johan404 Your earlier comments betray the true extent of your understanding of economics, but I'll humor you for a bit if you like. I made the claim that growth is a product of a thriving economy, rather than the cause of it. You answered with by posing the rhetorical question of "what happens when an economy doesn't grow?" Why don't you go ahead and fill me in here--what do you think the answer to that question is?
CognitiveImbias 1 year ago
@CognitiveImbias Empirical evidence shows that when an economy doesn't grow, it goes into what's called a "recession" and eventually a "depression" if there's negative growth. Hence, because people don't want to live in a failing system, economies require infinite growth, which is not possible due to physical limitations. In today's world it's even more complicated though, because the global economy is glued together with enormous amounts of debt, which is to be paid back with interest.
johan404 1 year ago
@johan404 A period of GDP decline is the definition of recession, it has nothing to do with evidence. But GDP is a product of an economy, not the economy itself. "The economy" is the total wealth-productive capacity of a population.When healthy, it will produce excess wealth if there are available resources.This excess wealth may be used to grow wealth-productive capacity.In other words, growth requires increased resource usage, but increased resource usage is not required for a healthy economy.
CognitiveImbias 1 year ago
@johan404 (continued) An economy is healthy when there are enough available resources to cover the upkeep costs of it's wealth-producing infrastructure (workers fed and housed, machinery repaired, etc). If Earth were a closed system of finite resources, this system would inevitably fail. But the Earth is not a closed system-life would never have evolved if it were (thermodynamics). As long as the Sun exists, there is an influx of resources that can keep an economy healthy, even if it can't grow.
CognitiveImbias 1 year ago
This is the documentary I referenced, all should see it.
chrislangone 1 year ago
Where can I find the whole documentary?
genYprogressive 1 year ago
To paraphrase Windows 95: "This civilization has performed an illegal operation and will be shut down."
mpgingdl 1 year ago
Don't worry about dying, just keep sucking on your fluoride toothpaste and mercury soft drinks and eating pesticides and hormones in your food and whatever you do, do NOT look up in the sky to see what they are doing to the atmosphere.
ECOSCIENCE Read it Our new Science (HA) CZAR wrote that book and it's about culling the population so the rich may inhabit the earth like Eden. The Oil companies will make billions on this new program. They pretended not to like it to confuse you people WAKE UP
normlmary 2 years ago
I want the NWO message to fade away. A new religion, oh please.
Damn right they are using it to advance their takeover of the planet. I will have none of it.
normlmary 2 years ago
The SUN is making all the planets WARMER now. Not just Planet EARTH.
This has happened before and will happen again and we can use cleaner energy because it is FREE, like solar, because it makes sense. BUT NOT BECAUSE A FEW RICH PEOPLE WILL GET EVEN RICHER WITH CARBON TAXEs AND CAP AND TRADE like big phat al gore AND OBAMA IS ONE OF THEM. That's what the Globalists WANT YOU TO DO. WAKE UP Our problems are with a corrupt government ruling like a monarch, like O.
normlmary 2 years ago
This isnt about politics or elections or religion or the rich and the poor. All that is just byproduct of one large problem. and this problem is like any problem. it has its cause and effect. we are living in the effect right now. and it is up to our generation to face the cause and turn the tide of this part of human history around before we go extinct. our generation is not like any generations before. they lived by this culture, not realizing what they are doing...(cont)
Russian907 2 years ago 2
But whithin the past 50 years, we finally see the long lived effects of the culture that is telling us a story of corruption and total control of everything. our generation will be left with a choice, either change or die out. because in 200 years we are either going to be living in a different culture, or we are not going to be here at all. to solve the problem we need a new revolution...
Russian907 2 years ago 3
like the Renaissance or the industrial revolution. where people started to think a different way. ideas of individuals building upon each other, going in the direction of sustainability and population control.
Russian907 2 years ago 2
the sun?bro...please...the issue is a lil more complex than that
BongRasta 2 years ago
Dude make a reference? And why seems so complex? The most important things are so simple that you can believe them, so I ask why this can be true? And I don`t buy their propaganda! Usually I found out by my self that the true does not belong to the masses but to the few... I do think that this apply to this climate change ass well.
falci01 2 years ago
This is a comment to BongRasta
falci01 2 years ago
Your right and wrong. Global warming is happening, they are not making it up. They are using it. If you don't recognize that you will make the NWO message fade away.
fatjohn1408 2 years ago
extreme well
we must assume the "worst' to avoid catastrophy
Better to aim for the stars and miss
than aim for a pile of mediocre shit and hit it
we are hear to save us lets get to work
The whole world could be employed to clean up the mess. private greed must be sacraficed on the altar of the common good.
we are one
all else are lies
VENGEVENGE 2 years ago
nicely done. the voice, the thought, the images.. it makes me repeat the sentence I do repeat often: I just don´t need anything.. just mountains, air and personal strenght in the society I am living in
marca555 3 years ago 2
extreme...
gzies1 3 years ago
I wanted to elaborate on the below....Think about what's happening in South Africa now...foreigners are being scapegoated for economic problems. As the economy starts to collapse, extremist governments will be elected who will seek blame. The people blamed will be as always: immigrants, minorities, religious minorities, homosexuals, etc. This is coming sooner than you think. Prepare.
JeffyAToronto 3 years ago 3
When I originally started reading about Peak Oil, and reading the works of Derrick Jensen, I actually considered committing suicide for a while. Now I've decided to live my life...but I've stopped saving for my retirement (there isn't going to be one) and am trying to live through the, perhaps, 20 years that I have before the world as we know it starts to collapse around us (governments reaction to this will be to try to find scapegoats...think Germany 1933 on a much larger scale).
JeffyAToronto 3 years ago 8
I wouldn't give up so easily. Our trust in science might be misplaced... I mean yes, it is... We don't know if all the claims are absolutely true, we know that some of them turned out to be false in the past... I did a research about it and global warming as we know it is exaggerated for political purposes.
I don't know much about peak oil, but could very well be the same case. But even if it's a potential disaster, there are ways to avoid it. The first step is to be enthusiastic enough...
sadunkal 3 years ago
Peak Oil is incredibly UNDERSTATED for political purposes.
WeWillWinAnarchy 3 years ago
take into consideration that the author of the original Peak Oil reports back in 1956 (M King Hubbert) was a geologist employed by Shell Oil. seems to be a slight conflict of interest there. i get the impression that it's a scapegoat for the oil companies to jack the prices. "oh we don't have any control on the prices it's all because of peak oil." i could be wrong though but you gotta admit there's somethin fishy about the whole thing.
vibrantlight1103 3 years ago
you're wrong
polyzygote 2 years ago
elaborate?
vibrantlight1103 2 years ago
the most obvious reason is that what he predicted actually came about, the US peak of 1971. australia and a bunch of other countries followed. the world is now about to or has already also peaked. it stands to reason, there is x amount of oil in the ground, and we have pumped x/2 out. why is that so difficult to understand. it's scary but it's what it is. now get to your local permaculture or transition town movement and start preparing. operative word is NOW.
polyzygote 2 years ago
a well timed and well seasoned salad......let's hope everybody get's a little ......peace.
bluebuddah 3 years ago
Excellent, and factual. Great Video, and great source of education. Now all we need to do is WAKE UP AND REALIZE THE REALITY OF OUR DREAM
Hylandyr2000 3 years ago 2
so sad
ratscatsangels 3 years ago
If this doesnt help wake people up I dont know what will..Well Done!
dinitz 3 years ago 3
This documentary is so brilliant! Congratulations to the authors, awesome compilation of sensitivity, knowledge, phylosophy... Poetic and scientific, beautifully narrated. THANKS!
MonsieurTon 3 years ago 8