Families of Soldiers Call for Investigation into Deaths After Military Hazing

[vvyperr7]

When i was in The navy and officer called me a spade. Yeah it happens, those (some not all) whites will make fun of other races.

[jawadad802]

if this is what they do to their own....

[ThisIsNotPictureTube]

racist people suck

[smobstar]

It's funny u assume I'm a man....hummm oh well.

[smobstar]

@Mobbin01 Ohhh and almost forgot....fuck u right on back,LOL!

[smobstar]

It's not so hard 2 believe racism still exists,what's hard to digest is the fact that its still an active practice.

[smobstar]

Wasn't commenting on the "nigger", I was speaking on the Asian young man. I hear what u mean bout the friendly fire part,I was simply pointing out the fact that he took his on life,seems extreme 4 words to move someone 2 take their own life.

[smobstar]

WTF?! No disrespect to the family,my condolences, but how was this guy gonna hack it on the battlefield if he could buck up and push thru this elementry school shit? Honestly!

[Mobbin01]

@smobstar How does calling someone, a black person a "cotton picking nigger" foster the brotherhood and comradeship you need to complete the mission? How am I going to feel like you have my back in a firefight when you call me a nigger? Buck up!? Fuck you bro! Best believe its going to be a friendly fire incident with a bullet in the back of your head!

[cityguyusa]

Hard to believe that racism still exists to this extent in between Americans.

[oolong2]

Ummm.... Wasn't this the plot to "A Few Good Men"?

You Can't Handle the Truth !!!

And apparently 20 years after this movie America STILL can't.

[RaggaRamone]

Look how much these families hurt from this racist shit.

the military brings out the hate in their soldiers, not saying they make them racist but they make them overconfident, aggressive, violent and uncompassionate, they turn them into killers, they open the can of worms.

[bigoxtailbone2]

no one can do anything about this. the government does not care and will do nothing. racial harassment i would think is unacceptable. My bet is if it was a jew everyone would be called anti-semetic and the government would be very sorry for incident. can some one send me the names of these soldiers. thanks

[bamboo4tameshigiri]

He should have killed all of those "soldiers" before he killed himself. Grenades are good for that.

[roneaone]

Why are they using the almost-playful-sounding word "hazing" when it is plain racial harassment and torture? These days it becomes clearer that US Armed Forces has been turned into a mob of gangsters that terrorizes and intimidates everybody in the world even their own countrymen and their families. I am surprised that decent people still enroll to serve in the US military. No wonder the Pentagon is looking increasingly to private and foreign mercenaries, and various unmanned combat platforms...

[humaner]

Unhinged barbarians

[elbowbiter1]

@humaner Who's the barbarian? The corporate murderers who murdered the corporate murderers, or the corporate murderers that got murdered for not fitting into the corporate murderers club?

[ajames95]

Like this is like a like very like informative like news like story like you know like what I like mean? I mean like really?

[Mahoivlich]

I guess there are a lot of plea bargained white trash in the ranks now.

[WisdomNotEmotion]

This is sick. White Americans going around the world with lies and disrespecting others, torturing and killing for whatever reasons. And now we have those who are on their side .. yet they caused their deaths.

This is worse than animals.

[shadowbankers]

@WisdomNotEmotion Stop your own racism.

[WisdomNotEmotion]

@shadowbankers Stop your racist ignorance

[frnzkuester]

this is sad

[DUNiT718]

come on it just so happens the camera that was there wasn't working come on, reminds me of the time my friends mother got hit by a government car in city hall and they said the traffic cam wasn't working

[DUNiT718]

most people join the army cause they have nothing going on for themselves, so what do u expect

[CanoPinto]

Cannon fooder.

[Brainleaf74]

Hazing don't you mean abuse ?

[megamogx]

AMAZING SPEECH BY WAR VETERAN

/watch?v=akm3nYN8aG8

[IndifferentSky]

speechless. angry. upset

[300ZXturboXX]

i am a proud American and i took an oath to protect and defend this this country and its laws the constitution. This is why i would NOT join the military .. the current military and this current government does not serve this country or its people and sure does not respect of obey the law the constitution.I rather shoot my self on the leg then to go fight bunch of people who just want to live their life their own way as i want to live mine.

[NoCigar1991]

Forged suicide letters...

[DeadIslandTrailers]

Not to take away from those who died but rest assured, their white comrades

were just TESTING the FUCK out of those non-caucasoids, BELIEVE Me. I'm NOT white but I completely understand that mentality.

If I wanted a fucking LOYAL army, I will berate, desecrate, and completely FUCK with niggers, chinks, spics, and crackers who join my fuckin A-Team to TEST how much shit they can take. If you can't handle the pressure, then you ain't suppose to be there.

You MAKE SURE they aren't SOFT.

[yo1dude1man]

@DeadIslandTrailers "..TEST how much shit they can take"? Make sure they're not soft by training them to shoot a weapon, run 30 miles, hand to hand fighting skills, work AS ONE TEAM in the field. A real team works toward lefting eachs other's confidence not tear them down & treat each other as sub-human. That's not team work. That's feeding one's [or many] EGO(s). Masking bigotry, racism, prejudism behind a noble cause. A team that fights among themselves is doom to failure. Suicide is failure.

[eujeeves]

Most they'll get is a slap on the wrist. He shouldn't have joined the military. 9/11 was an inside job.

[kawaiigardiner]

What the fuck is it up with heterosexual males and these fucking stupid 'hazing' rituals? Christ all mighty, you're in a combat zone and should be behaving 100% professionally 100% of the time - if you can't do that then you shouldn't have joined the defence force in the first place.

[freshhug]

I really don't like the fact that this is made into a racial thing. This is bullying, nothing less nothing more. It's as ugly as it gets.

[freshhug]

Thanks for giving us this information.

[jczg08alt]

Pretty sure these thugs will have their racist bros in high places get them off... After all, this is America, and America can't be giving non-whites any "funny ideas" that there exist such a thing as justice. Now gullible peoples, go back to showing loyalty to a nation that has better things to do than consider non-whites as human beings. They're too busy giving each other high-fives, laughing, bragging, joking about it to give a shit.

America, the illegitimate nation. The End.

[vvyperr7]

@jczg08alt True, well said.

[usergently]

Catholic Church = U.S Army....

[ThePayola123]

Disgusting and Sad.

[TripleSpeak]

When you join a violent, criminal outfit for moolah, you can't expect a bed of roses.

[MegaGevehr]

@TripleSpeak Fuck you

[TripleSpeak]

@MegaGevehr Go back to killing for money, creep.

[NativeSunBear]

@TripleSpeak I would have to disagree. regardless of the reasons for joining, and their are numerous socio economic reasons, every citizens is afforded basic rights. the war is unjust, the employer is criminal but it is not wrong to ask for equal treatment from your peers and fellow workers. just coming from the perspective of a south east asian u.s army veteran 15 months in afghanistan. i am also an opponent of this war and have refused a second deployment. these kids arent so different from u

[TripleSpeak]

@NativeSunBear I disagree. They're quite different from me. We all make choices. They make bad choices. Really horrid choices. I don't support them one bit. Perhaps you need to watch the Wikileaks footage again to refresh your memory on what these killers are actually like.

[NativeSunBear]

@TripleSpeak i have seen the wikileaks stuff. i have also been witness to some of the stuff and have a case in court concerning breaches of the Geneva conventions. you can't wave a broad brush and paint all soldiers the same color. it's kind of like blaming all the families that bought houses during the housing boom and can't pay the interest on the mortgage after the bank bailouts...oh yeah, my family was one of them- which also aided in my decision to join.

[TripleSpeak]

@NativeSunBear You're right; I should be more specific. I'm really only talking about those who joined during the past few years, after it was obvious to even the most thick-skulled among us that this didn't have anything to do w/fighting "terrorism." Rather, it's about the same old criminal gang who also caused the housing crisis. To fight on their side is treason. Israel not only doesn't deserve our support, it should be dismantled & its leaders put on trial for crimes.

[NativeSunBear]

@TripleSpeak you would be surprised by how much money and resources the federal government and department of defense spends towards recruitment alone. yes, in rural areas you have your bat shit crazy religious white folks who sign up for the singular purpose of wiping out islam. but STILL to this day advertising in inner city public schools is mainly focused on economic relief, gi bill, citizenship programs etc. if we can stop that than you can whittle the army down to the die hard retards.

[elbowbiter1]

@NativeSunBear I hope you haven't suffered too greatly from your deployment. Looking back, especially assuming the ethnicity hinted by your handle, would you enlist all over again to oppress the others for the benefit of the richest power mongers? Or would you try to find another way to get what you want? If you are a native, do you see the tragic irony of some one like you joining the institution that all but annihilated your people to do the same to another?

[NativeSunBear]

@elbowbiter1 actually im indigenous pacific islander. but to answer your question, sure there are other jobs equally as tough that pay way more that i would have jumped at had i known them ie construction (ironworking, which i currently do). but military service is by far the most advertised job to ethnic youth in the los angeles area where i grew up.

[NativeSunBear]

@NativeSunBear i wouldnt take it back. i have a unique perspective on things. i have more power as a witness to war than a passive observer. ghandi was a soldier before he was an activist too.

[elbowbiter1]

@NativeSunBear Unfortunate. Nice to meet a fellow ironworker. I know absolutely nothing about Pacific Islanders other than the US military has had plenty of interventions on a lot of those islands which have resulted in the deaths of plenty of your distant cousins The Philipines and the Nuclear tests in the last century for example. It is perverse that they would recruit and use the very people they brutalized in the past to brutalize others today. Congrats on getting out bro.

[NativeSunBear]

@elbowbiter1 yep local 721 toronto. i am filipino and before my dads dad, my peoples were still praying to trees and the women were topless. i grew up in a black and hispanic area (L.A) who better for them to advertise their propaganda and false debt relief to? before the bail outs everybody said fuck it, the bank is going under lets see what happens with our debt. then afterward the banks came back with a vengeance with their high ass interest. then the army doesnt look like such a bad choice.

[checkunderyourbed]

@TripleSpeak You're an asshole and you know jack shit about why people join the military.

[TripleSpeak]

@checkunderyourbed from your potty mouth, I'd say I know quite a bit about those who join the "military."

[elbowbiter1]

@checkunderyourbed For what he said to be true, it doesn't matter. He's still correct. That is why there is the phrase: "The road to hell is paved with good intentions." You may be offended by his post but you should really examine why you are so upset. Then you should also examine why wars are fought in the first place. If you haven't come to a grudging agreement with Triple then you are either lying to yourself or a bloody ignoramous. I don't think you're ignoranous.

[checkunderyourbed]

@elbowbiter1 I know exactly where he's coming from. But I feel like I shouldn't have to waste the time and effort explaining human compassion to someone who generalizes all people who choose to be in our military as money wanting fools. I'm angry because he doesn't know this guy's situation. He's probably like me. I was his age when I joined. I couldn't afford my college studies and I needed help. Joining the military doesn't reflect what kind of person you are. You do what you can to survive.

[elbowbiter1]

@checkunderyourbed Joining the military DOES reflect what kind of a person you are. Not everyone has the type of personality and skill set necessary to make it through basic. We all do what we do to survive, sure. I'll grant you that. You could have been a bank robber. If you studied how, and learned the tricks you could have ripped off a bank and made more money than in the armed forces. If you got caught the state would educate you in prison. It would have been more ethical.

[checkunderyourbed]

@elbowbiter1 " It would have been more ethical." What?! Look, I'm just an average honest person who wants to make my folks back home proud. I believe in changing things from the inside. Not being radical and embracing all different sorts of far-fetched concepts. Because in the end of the day, a bank robber is a bank robber. He/she isn't the answer to corporate greed or sticking it to the US gov't. The military can be changed if everyone in it changes.

[elbowbiter1]

@checkunderyourbed Through out history there has never been an army that didn't fight for the private holdings of one group of wealthy power mongers over anothers. There is no change from the inside, through out history, that has changed that dynamic. That's because it is what militaries do: extortion/murder for private interest. Bank robbers, do the same thing, but they don't pretend that it is a righteous or noble undertaking for that reason alone it is more ethical. Peace.

[checkunderyourbed]

@elbowbiter1 Yup. I'm aware...and doing nothing does nothing. bye.

[elbowbiter1]

@checkunderyourbed Sounds like a rage quit to me. Did you finally see my point but didn't admit to it for fear of being wrong and losing face? By staying in the military, YOU are the one doing nothing. Get out. Protest against it! Convince your friends that they should get out. Keep your family out. "Reject the system dictating the norms." If everyone rage quit arguments like you, there would be no arguments. If everyone rage quit the military... ;) Peace my friend

[checkunderyourbed]

@elbowbiter1 Yeah...I know exactly what you're saying. I'm not saying I'm wrong nor am afraid to admit anything. Your ideas will only work if and only if most Americans reject military service which is highly unusual . On the same token, if we lose a military, we lose our country. The US is free for the taking. You'll lose your rights to "protest" and there'll be a much different system, one that might not be so merciful.

[elbowbiter1]

@checkunderyourbed I am not sure how you can draw that conclusion my friend. If we didn't have a military we would have some sort of draconian dystopia? Elaborate on that would you. Why would we lose our country if we didn't have a military? A friend of mine once said (I'm Canadian btw) that we should have a crisis response team instead of a military. They would be deployed to aid and assist around the world to take care of disasters.

[checkunderyourbed]

@elbowbiter1 I'm not implying that there would be a dystopia, but don't you think that a defenseless Unites States is basically fair game for any country wanting to expand its territory or settle a score? Colonization almost never benefits the colonized as far as civil rights is concerned. A crises response team and a country suffering massive cutbacks? The military has already been scaled down and is still being primed to fit the budget. The US is in no position to joy hop across the world.

[elbowbiter1]

@checkunderyourbed Well I agree somewhat. Now-a-days, you need some chemistry text books, a few hundred dollars in electronics and a handful of risk taking disenfrachized, disillusioned desparodos and you have one of the most effective modern armies possible. If a country like Iraq could keep the most powerful military tied up for nearly a decade then imagine, "What would happen if some batty dictator tried to occupy the rabid unified citizens of the US." Woe be to that clown.

[checkunderyourbed]

@elbowbiter1 I don't know of any desperate people in the military. I used to think infrantry/cavalry/and any combat related military servicemen probably were in life situations where they didn't care whether they lived or died. But it's one of those things where you have to live the lifestyle and know the people before you pass judgment. It goes much deeper than that for most guys. Also, considering that countries like China have more people than the US, Canada, and Mexico combined I'm not sure

[elbowbiter1]

@checkunderyourbed I think you mis read my last comment. I wasn't refering to desparate military personel. I was talking about the specter of an armed populace resisting foreign occupation as a major deterent for future military conquests. You could disband the entire US military and it would STILL not be an easy target for an invasion (Provided it can maintain its infrastructure without extorting most of the means from other countries).

[checkunderyourbed]

@elbowbiter1 You mean that the US should rely on the card carrying NRA members to protect itself from terrorism?!

[elbowbiter1]

@checkunderyourbed You strawmaning me now? If you are, I have to assume you know where I am leading you and you don't want to go there, again because of this fear of being wrong or admitting to some strangers point. What ever the issue the point is... with the invention of nuclear weapons war (as a means to an end) started down the path to obsolecence. The future of war is... there will be no more wars. Militaries are obsolete and barbaric. Lead the charge, get out now.

[checkunderyourbed]

@elbowbiter1 Personally, I'd rather wars go on forever than for people to solve problems by nuking. People and populations recover from wars...nuking not so much.

[elbowbiter1]

@checkunderyourbed Interesting dicotomy of interpretation from that last post. Yikes, my friend. You probably aren't alone thinking like that, which is quite telling of how ubiquitous warrior culture is within our psyches. You didn't even entertain the notion that I meant that war just won't happen in the future as it will be unnecessary.

[checkunderyourbed]

@elbowbiter1 It's entirely unfeasible to believe that war will never re-occur in the near future. Fear causes war. People create weapons of mass destruction when they are afraid. There may never be a time when all people put away there fears of others. As our weapons get more and more dangerous (which is inevitable) countries must arm themselves against the fear of the unknown. It seems illogical but it's flawed human psyche. Whoever threw the first stone started something that may never end.

[checkunderyourbed]

@elbowbiter1 And also I'm astounded to notice that you never factor in the socio-economic implications of war. People are feeding entire families weekly with money that the average American spends on a cup of coffee. As long as there is disparity, there is war. As long as there is injustice, there is war. When a young Palestinian is kicked out of his home for the creation of a profitable Jewish settlement, he straps himself with a bomb and catches a bus full of Jews. Technically, that is a war.

[elbowbiter1]

@checkunderyourbed Oh I agree with both of your last posts and no, I haven't factored out the socio-economic implications. Dig a little deeper and you'll see a direct causal relationship between the socio-economic implications and our fear of others. We are a technological species entering an age of scientific mastery but we are clinging to modified and refined old technologies and ideas from before the bronze age. This is cultural lag run amok. We have to grow up.

[checkunderyourbed]

@elbowbiter1 And that's pretty much the answer to this whole discussion. Everyone has aspirations for the fate of mankind. But as long as different states and regimes exist there will be conflicts. Maybe it's some kind of bizarre socially constructed behavior that we evolved into in order to survive or perhaps it's a series of antiquated methods we chose for thousands of years that will change on its own. I don't know, but I think this is something that needs to solve itself.

[elbowbiter1]

@checkunderyourbed One thing that we already know, is that war isn't a biological determinant. War ISN'T in our DNA. The rest is about changing the culture and the socio economic structure. We already have nuclear weapons, nanotech weapons loom on the horizon (15-20 years from now). We can't afford to be warlike in an age of nanotech weaponry. Nukes destroy cities. Nano WMD's strip biospheres of planets (and for what, so the rich can get richer some how?). You do the math. ;)

[checkunderyourbed]

@elbowbiter1 no doubt, rich profit off of wars...it's a problem. It's just a much larger problem than a group of similarly thinking people can handle. This is a matter of changing the world. It would require the elimination of national governments and social structuring. Sort of anarchic.

[elbowbiter1]

@checkunderyourbed All massive social change comes from small groups of like minded people utilizing technical know how to effectively grow and change the way the entire world does it's thing. The agricultural revolution spread like wild fire only when small groups of people settled down and grew their food. The internet began with two computers. So, a few people walking away from an amoral institution could be all it takes to start the landslide that will end the status quo.

[checkunderyourbed]

@elbowbiter1 Again different circumstances. Vastly different circumstances.

[elbowbiter1]

@checkunderyourbed Name one change ever that didn't start off small. Don't bother, you can't. Peace, my friend.