Thank you Jesus for the good news, as everyone still has time to repent. We have 7 billion people on this earth, how many will go and how many will stay? I would say a lot on both sides but we are all given the knowledge of right and wrong believers or not and it's your choice to make. You can choose the narrow road it's not too late, Heaven will be large enough for everyone as it will be brought down to earth after it has been rid of the evil. Turpis, no ones making it worse for you except you.
God: Good news! If you believe in me and and serve me without any questions or reason, you go to heaven! But if you don't you BURN IN HELL FOREVER WITH NO CHANCE OF EVER ESCAPING THE ETERNAL UNIMAGINABLE PAIN AND SUFFERING. Isn't that news just wonderful!
@SuperBspb The "good news" is even more grim than you state. If you believe and serve as an unquestioning Christian, Jesus promises a dim chance of going to heaven. But if you read the description of heaven, you'd have no interest in going there. Heaven in a cube. The dimensions are provided in Revelations, along with a description of the 12 layers of precious gems in the foundation, gold so pure it's clear, constant light and constant songs of praise.
All were made to stay out of sin and glorify God. Jesus Christ is waiting for all. He is the only one that can save us. He changed me when I trusted in him. He can change all and save all from the pits of hell. He is waiting
Any person who tells you to gouge your eye out for looking at someone is clearly insane. Jesus talked more about hell in the bible than anything else. Why should someone be punished for eternity for finite sins? That is beyond cruel and is utterly disgusting and sadistic. Hell is clearly contradictive of a loving god. Anyone who wishes someone that kind of pain is sick and vindictive. Alot of Christians love the idea of hell and wish it on others. It`s outdated and backwards and needs to change.
Even though I disagree with a few things the overall idea is right, either Jesus was a fake crazy liar, and therefore not a good person at all. Or he was telling the truth in which case he's a sadistic monster.
Apart from Jesus teaching of compassion he doesn't seem to be to forgiving torturing people forever for not believing and worshipping him. Why create humans to begin with if your going to send most of them to hell to be tortured forever what is the point? Except to feed some type of sadistic pleasure and evil nature of his.
@jimjam3579 Please put it all IN context and show us how the meaning changes. You seem to be saying that, no matter how you behave in this life, you will still go to heaven just for believing in a particular God. If that's the case, then preachers who rape children go to heaven, because they believe in Jesus, too.
Cool music, however I must disagree. Jesus often speaks with parables as what is absolute cannot be expressed in a dualistic view. When he told about killing and thinking about killing are similar, he tried to make a point of human heart. With a heart willing to kill, the action of not killing is not your true action, only an action of "the flesh", effort, not your true self, restraint. Jesus' aim was for people to become such as not willing to kill or have ill will towards others.
Yeshua was one sick son of a bitch as presented in the NT that's for sure. But to be fair he was probably part of a larger tradition of those who were looking for answers for why the Romans were only the latest in a long line of those stomping their foot on the throats of god's "chosen people"..
wonderful video. unfortunely you didnt mention that the bible cites the exact number of people which will be saved: 144000. no more, no less. divide the current world population by this number and you will see that only 1 in 50000 will be saved. all the rest is going to hell.
@seilah2k2 Yes and if those people are already written in the book of life,why should anybody strive to get into heaven. If your name is in the book you're in, if not you rot in hell no matter what good deeds you do, no matter how much you pray, no matter how you moderate your thoughts and actions. Just one more thing that makes Christianity hard to understand. I often wonder '' Am I missing something or are they?"
You have some bible passages but totally in the wrong context, God loves us, its the devil who wants us to be tortured for eternity. He is the one who demands lost souls, its our sin that caused the problem, at least Jesus did something about it
@bobpitts89 Nonsense. Who created humans, knowing most of them would go to hell? Not Satan, but God. Read the OT, and you will see that it is ALWAYS God doing horrible things to people: earthquakes, floods, fire from the sky, plagues, etc. It is always God losing his temper, God describing himself as angry and jealous, God who holds grudges for 10 generations, God raining death and curses and destruction from heaven. Not Satan, but God.
the guy has got it correct- there is no hot place- no hell- when you're dead your out of it- as george carlin said "it's all bullshit" and the clergy are lying to people to extort money
Typical Christian. Can't spell or punctuate. Calling me an uneducated fool while providing no counter-arguments. Zombie-Jesus is very disappointed in you...
I pray for peace to you all this Christmas. I ask God's blessing on your lives, that the blood shed at Calvary will touch your hearts again, and that the Love of Christ will rekindle all your hopes and dreams.
@TurpisHaereticus Come on TH, admit it, you uneducated fool you! We both know you are the kind of "uneducated fool" that kicks one mind's butt up a few notches on the "think for yourself" scale. (Hope I made sense... my English is a bit rusty I'm affraid)
@deekay120278 Did he not just point out that the bible says we should not call someone else a fool? Just because someone disagrees with you does not give you the right to call them a fool. Like the Bible says, you are putting yourself in danger (by judging). Why would a youtube video be worth that to you?
@deekay120278 If you truly believed the Bilbe, you would fear to call anyone a fool, knowing that Jesus said you could go to hell for it. But while you are awaiting your eternal fate, please explain to us what Jesus REALLY meant, since he was too stupid to say it correctly himself.
Thanks for this video. Even this is not important to publish. I am a Christian from Philippines, saying that what ever truth we know, we must continue following God's concept. You're correct that only few of us can find the way to heaven, But we can do the same they do. We are the same human. whatever they can do also we can as the they do. If you are not going to analyze this message, will start to think deeply. Love your life because Jesus is in with us. No need of some questions, God Bless..
Thanks for this video. Even this is not important to publish. I am a Christian from Philippines, saying that what ever truth we know, we must continue following God's concept. You're correct that only few of us can find the way to heaven, But we can do the same they do. We are the same human. whatever they can do also we can as the they do. If you are not going to analyze this message, will start to think deeply. Love your life because Jesus is in with us. No need of some questions, God Bless.
THE WHOLE REASON BEHIND THIS VEIW.... In the OT.. God brought in the LAw... The OT is all about the Law... Satan being AGAINST God, says no. To not live under the law.... Then in the NEW testiment, it switches. In OUR world, Law Condemns the spirit, because by trying to live by the LAW yes we will burn. "And place these Laws on the side thereof to stand a witness AGAINST thee" Satan works thru Wisdom. Which works thru the law... I doubt this makes sense to anyone though....
@reluctantprophet7 ::: Will, I will break that law, I'll change it into Love. No need some reply, Love is the only way to conquer whatever trials we faced. Just try to love and teach how to love to the other people. Love that can make way us to Heaven. God Bless.
@TurpisHaereticus I notice this vid of yours only uses quotes from the Gospel of Matthew, the New International Version (or King James version could be also - I had to look up the quotes you used to double-check, y'know). I own a Bible that is neither of those versions and is currently being borrowed by my brother, so I can't check it in there, but do any of these quotes or highly similar ones actually show up in any of the other Gospels?
Jesus is the Son of God even though the textual evidence in the N.Test. conclusively shows that the founder of the Jesus cult was a failed apocalyptic prophet who prophesied that the ESCHATON would take place in HIS GENERATION, which would involve a total cosmic catastrophe after which God inaugurates a literal kingdom on earth with the "Son of Man" reigning from Jerusalem over the nations. Please explain.
If all of you, "good" and "intelligent" people would actually read the Bible, you would find that there are perfectly reasonable answers to all of your questions. Instead you make assumptions about things you don't know the first thing about. I have a friend who is atheist and all he does is assume without even wanting the answers. So pretty much you guys just proved that you're all the same.
Maybe jesus was satan's son. His main principle was for everyone to stop taking thought for the morrow, drop everything and follow him. At the least, he was insane, at most...
this is a new direction in criticising religion. In former days, atheist would merely focus on question the reasonabeness of the existence of god. What was neglected, however, is to criticise the ideas of cristianity. This is what this video is doing and I think it's a welcome move.
Pretty good points. No words could really express how far fetched theism is since they all claim to have knowledge of truth despite conflicting facts both internal and external..
Nice music btw. I'd love to buy a copy for studying. PM me?
@Helghast What's childish is believing in Magic Sky Daddy. But counter all you want chief. The bible contradicts itself so often you can counter nearly anything it's doublespeak proclaims.
Countering still won't make god real or make fictional jesus any god's son. The winning (or losing) of this debate is meaningless. Unless you can provide empirical evidence that your god is real then it remains as real as Bigfoot or Nessie. Countering just can't change it...a child can see that.
@bodeezy Prove to me that it contradicts itself. And if there is no winning or losing, why do you call it a debate? A debate is meant to have a winner and a loser. And I do agree that this cannot be proven to someone who doesn't want to believe, but I do think that anything an intelligent atheist asks an intelligent christian, the christian will have a perfectly acceptable answer.
@Helgh "The christian will have a perfectly acceptable answer". Your arrogance is foolhardy & ignorant. Biblical scholars even agree that's not true. The answer may be "perfectly acceptable" to another christian but not necessarily a skeptic. You won't accept a contradiction because you feel you can counter it. Yay...your "perfect" book needs you to defend it because it can't stand up to scrutiny. Still tho, you have no evidence. Your puny, invisible god exists only in your mind.
@bodeezy Of course it won't be acceptable to a skeptic. But if you were truly arguing for answers, it would definitely make you question your beliefs. If someone really talked to me and gave me some pretty solid evidence that there is no God, I might consider the fact. But I have never heard anyone provide solid evidence or even subtle clues to this claim. Also, you never told me how the bible contradicts itself.
P.S.-What do you mean by, "Biblical scholars even agree that's not true?"
@HelghastMWS89 See? If someone gave me some pretty solid evidence that there IS a god, I might consider believing in one. I have never heard anyone provide solid evidence to this claim.
PS~ I could give you roughly 50 contradictions in Genesis alone. John Lofton's "debunking christianity" site has them listed along with the different accounts of the crucifixion & resurrection. Who wrote the gospels? Do you actually know? The authorship alone is enough to disregard the bible as false.
@bodeezy ProfMTH has a "brief bible blunders" vid series that focuses on biblical contradictions for you to see. I see no reason for us to argue the points. Neither of us will give up our position. I was a strong believer until I realized that I didn't have any reason to believe claims of any god & questioned why I believed what I did. Then I read the OT & NT many times & researched the origins of the bibles. This led me to be unable to believe in any abrahamic religion.
@bodeezy Your right, neither of us will not change our views by pointlessly spouting our opinions at each other. But, I don't understand how you could just lose your faith unless you didn't have faith in the first place. And if you would do some research, you will find plenty of evidence outside the bible that proves that Jesus was not only real, but he died on the cross and rose from the grave.
@H Actually, researching is what led me to becoming atheist. There ISN'T plenty of evidence of Jesus existing, nor being crucified & rising from the dead. You realize that he wasn't even written about in his own supposed lifetime? The books of the bible were written 40 yrs after his supposed death. The Jesus myth is very similar to MANY mythical figures that came long before the Jesus myth. My faith was very strong & I learned all I could about it. Reading the bible is what started imy atheism.
@bodeezy Dude obviously I can't argue with you because you're doing the one thing every athiest ever does which is deflecting from the main point. Every time I ask you a question in one of my comments you never answer it directly. So I'm going to do what Jesus says and turn the other cheek. See ya.
@H You asked, "how does the bible contradict itself"? Two different creation stories for beginners...Genesis 1:1-2:3 & Genesis 2:4-25. I can give you many more. The point is, that if the bible was "god's perfect word" as it claims to be, there would be no room or ability to misinterpret.
Bart Ehrman & Emmett F. Fields are two biblical scholars that agree the bible contradicts itself.
@bodeezy Okay, you may be right, I may be right...BUT, I feel like kind of a douchebag debating on Youtube via comments, so we'll just leave it at a draw, because we all know that I'm not going to give up, and you're not going to give up. But I will say this...If I come off as a jerk in my comments, that's not me in real life, I just think the guy who made this video is a little harsh.
@H I don't blame you for not wanting to debate here. You don't seem like a jerk but a lot of people become "jerks" talking about this subject. Turpis may be harsh on religion but he isn't wrong. My point is, if I can't believe EVERY word in the bible then why should I believe ANY words of it when science has proven many of it's claims as false. I'd expect god to write a perfect book. If you feel like it, watch the main vid on my page. Food for thought. Later Helg.
@bodeezy Well we all have different views and unlike a lot of christians, I don't judge people with different views. I respect your views and don't blame you for not believing certain things. We've all had doubts. Best of luck. See ya.
Thank you Jesus for the good news, as everyone still has time to repent. We have 7 billion people on this earth, how many will go and how many will stay? I would say a lot on both sides but we are all given the knowledge of right and wrong believers or not and it's your choice to make. You can choose the narrow road it's not too late, Heaven will be large enough for everyone as it will be brought down to earth after it has been rid of the evil. Turpis, no ones making it worse for you except you.
OurStrength1 2 weeks ago
Jesus may have "Good News," but I have GREAT NEWS!! ...I Just Saved a Bunch of Money on My Car Insurance by switching to GEICO!
Haight27Ashbury 3 weeks ago
God: Good news! If you believe in me and and serve me without any questions or reason, you go to heaven! But if you don't you BURN IN HELL FOREVER WITH NO CHANCE OF EVER ESCAPING THE ETERNAL UNIMAGINABLE PAIN AND SUFFERING. Isn't that news just wonderful!
SuperBspb 1 month ago
@SuperBspb The "good news" is even more grim than you state. If you believe and serve as an unquestioning Christian, Jesus promises a dim chance of going to heaven. But if you read the description of heaven, you'd have no interest in going there. Heaven in a cube. The dimensions are provided in Revelations, along with a description of the 12 layers of precious gems in the foundation, gold so pure it's clear, constant light and constant songs of praise.
Cyallaire 3 weeks ago
All were made to stay out of sin and glorify God. Jesus Christ is waiting for all. He is the only one that can save us. He changed me when I trusted in him. He can change all and save all from the pits of hell. He is waiting
boywhoy88 1 month ago
Yeah "god" sounds a lot like the globalist New World Order
LookIntoHistory 1 month ago
A God who supervises you 24/7 and will judge you and possibly torture for thought crimes amazing.
MrEmeraldfusion 2 months ago
Any person who tells you to gouge your eye out for looking at someone is clearly insane. Jesus talked more about hell in the bible than anything else. Why should someone be punished for eternity for finite sins? That is beyond cruel and is utterly disgusting and sadistic. Hell is clearly contradictive of a loving god. Anyone who wishes someone that kind of pain is sick and vindictive. Alot of Christians love the idea of hell and wish it on others. It`s outdated and backwards and needs to change.
Samateepae 4 months ago
No one is more evil and "Satanic" than Yahweh-Jesus.
politicoochie09 4 months ago
Even though I disagree with a few things the overall idea is right, either Jesus was a fake crazy liar, and therefore not a good person at all. Or he was telling the truth in which case he's a sadistic monster.
106141214 4 months ago
Apart from Jesus teaching of compassion he doesn't seem to be to forgiving torturing people forever for not believing and worshipping him. Why create humans to begin with if your going to send most of them to hell to be tortured forever what is the point? Except to feed some type of sadistic pleasure and evil nature of his.
MrEmeraldfusion 4 months ago
i love god so much
delilah00909 5 months ago
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BrianNeal 6 months ago
@BrianNeal
There are no "teams". Just ignorant homo-sapiens playing make-believe.
TurpisHaereticus 6 months ago
@jimjam3579 Please put it all IN context and show us how the meaning changes. You seem to be saying that, no matter how you behave in this life, you will still go to heaven just for believing in a particular God. If that's the case, then preachers who rape children go to heaven, because they believe in Jesus, too.
ElveeKaye 6 months ago
Cool music, however I must disagree. Jesus often speaks with parables as what is absolute cannot be expressed in a dualistic view. When he told about killing and thinking about killing are similar, he tried to make a point of human heart. With a heart willing to kill, the action of not killing is not your true action, only an action of "the flesh", effort, not your true self, restraint. Jesus' aim was for people to become such as not willing to kill or have ill will towards others.
asimov231 9 months ago
Yeshua was one sick son of a bitch as presented in the NT that's for sure. But to be fair he was probably part of a larger tradition of those who were looking for answers for why the Romans were only the latest in a long line of those stomping their foot on the throats of god's "chosen people"..
bwconklin 1 year ago
wonderful video. unfortunely you didnt mention that the bible cites the exact number of people which will be saved: 144000. no more, no less. divide the current world population by this number and you will see that only 1 in 50000 will be saved. all the rest is going to hell.
seilah2k2 1 year ago
@seilah2k2 Yes and if those people are already written in the book of life,why should anybody strive to get into heaven. If your name is in the book you're in, if not you rot in hell no matter what good deeds you do, no matter how much you pray, no matter how you moderate your thoughts and actions. Just one more thing that makes Christianity hard to understand. I often wonder '' Am I missing something or are they?"
purity4all 9 months ago
You have some bible passages but totally in the wrong context, God loves us, its the devil who wants us to be tortured for eternity. He is the one who demands lost souls, its our sin that caused the problem, at least Jesus did something about it
bobpitts89 1 year ago
@bobpitts89 Nonsense. Who created humans, knowing most of them would go to hell? Not Satan, but God. Read the OT, and you will see that it is ALWAYS God doing horrible things to people: earthquakes, floods, fire from the sky, plagues, etc. It is always God losing his temper, God describing himself as angry and jealous, God who holds grudges for 10 generations, God raining death and curses and destruction from heaven. Not Satan, but God.
ElveeKaye 6 months ago
the guy has got it correct- there is no hot place- no hell- when you're dead your out of it- as george carlin said "it's all bullshit" and the clergy are lying to people to extort money
asstezz 1 year ago
The ones that are not chosen(hypocrites) have done so by their own doing (by pretending to live as a Christian). YOU decide YOUR fate, no one else.
Mega36Fredricks 1 year ago
your uneducated for this one. stop twisting the bible you FOOL!
deekay120278 1 year ago
@deekay120278
Typical Christian. Can't spell or punctuate. Calling me an uneducated fool while providing no counter-arguments. Zombie-Jesus is very disappointed in you...
:-(
TurpisHaereticus 1 year ago 2
@TurpisHaereticus
I pray for peace to you all this Christmas. I ask God's blessing on your lives, that the blood shed at Calvary will touch your hearts again, and that the Love of Christ will rekindle all your hopes and dreams.
In Jesus' name I pray.
teaman9000 1 year ago
@TurpisHaereticus Come on TH, admit it, you uneducated fool you! We both know you are the kind of "uneducated fool" that kicks one mind's butt up a few notches on the "think for yourself" scale. (Hope I made sense... my English is a bit rusty I'm affraid)
EctoBuzz 9 months ago
@TurpisHaereticus
Kane Lives!!!!!
StarGater10922 8 months ago
@StarGater10922
I love the Undertaker!
TurpisHaereticus 8 months ago
@deekay120278 Did he not just point out that the bible says we should not call someone else a fool? Just because someone disagrees with you does not give you the right to call them a fool. Like the Bible says, you are putting yourself in danger (by judging). Why would a youtube video be worth that to you?
Mega36Fredricks 1 year ago
@deekay120278 If you truly believed the Bilbe, you would fear to call anyone a fool, knowing that Jesus said you could go to hell for it. But while you are awaiting your eternal fate, please explain to us what Jesus REALLY meant, since he was too stupid to say it correctly himself.
ElveeKaye 6 months ago
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Thanks for this video. Even this is not important to publish. I am a Christian from Philippines, saying that what ever truth we know, we must continue following God's concept. You're correct that only few of us can find the way to heaven, But we can do the same they do. We are the same human. whatever they can do also we can as the they do. If you are not going to analyze this message, will start to think deeply. Love your life because Jesus is in with us. No need of some questions, God Bless..
xentrix2008 1 year ago
Thanks for this video. Even this is not important to publish. I am a Christian from Philippines, saying that what ever truth we know, we must continue following God's concept. You're correct that only few of us can find the way to heaven, But we can do the same they do. We are the same human. whatever they can do also we can as the they do. If you are not going to analyze this message, will start to think deeply. Love your life because Jesus is in with us. No need of some questions, God Bless.
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and thats why i work for SATAN ! o and nice pic :P
THEKapergame 1 year ago
and thats why i work for SATAN !
THEKapergame 1 year ago
@THEKapergame o and nice pic :P
THEKapergame 1 year ago
THE WHOLE REASON BEHIND THIS VEIW.... In the OT.. God brought in the LAw... The OT is all about the Law... Satan being AGAINST God, says no. To not live under the law.... Then in the NEW testiment, it switches. In OUR world, Law Condemns the spirit, because by trying to live by the LAW yes we will burn. "And place these Laws on the side thereof to stand a witness AGAINST thee" Satan works thru Wisdom. Which works thru the law... I doubt this makes sense to anyone though....
reluctantprophet7 1 year ago
@reluctantprophet7 ::: Will, I will break that law, I'll change it into Love. No need some reply, Love is the only way to conquer whatever trials we faced. Just try to love and teach how to love to the other people. Love that can make way us to Heaven. God Bless.
xentrix2008 1 year ago
@TurpisHaereticus I notice this vid of yours only uses quotes from the Gospel of Matthew, the New International Version (or King James version could be also - I had to look up the quotes you used to double-check, y'know). I own a Bible that is neither of those versions and is currently being borrowed by my brother, so I can't check it in there, but do any of these quotes or highly similar ones actually show up in any of the other Gospels?
Luxiban 1 year ago
Jesus is the Son of God even though the textual evidence in the N.Test. conclusively shows that the founder of the Jesus cult was a failed apocalyptic prophet who prophesied that the ESCHATON would take place in HIS GENERATION, which would involve a total cosmic catastrophe after which God inaugurates a literal kingdom on earth with the "Son of Man" reigning from Jerusalem over the nations. Please explain.
This oughtta be good...
bodeezy 1 year ago
If all of you, "good" and "intelligent" people would actually read the Bible, you would find that there are perfectly reasonable answers to all of your questions. Instead you make assumptions about things you don't know the first thing about. I have a friend who is atheist and all he does is assume without even wanting the answers. So pretty much you guys just proved that you're all the same.
HelghastMWS89 1 year ago
Maybe jesus was satan's son. His main principle was for everyone to stop taking thought for the morrow, drop everything and follow him. At the least, he was insane, at most...
setmedic 1 year ago
"Read the Bible. Because we need more atheists" Penn Jillette
alister452 1 year ago
The commandments of jesus save, the way of man leads to eternal destruction of the soul.
Repent and turn from evil, jesus give holyness to all who come to him freely.
1onetheone 1 year ago
Whats the name of this song? I presume its nine inch nails
alastair78 1 year ago
This video should really have a lot more views. I agree with gothicfrog about the last quote too.
bodeezy 1 year ago
this is a new direction in criticising religion. In former days, atheist would merely focus on question the reasonabeness of the existence of god. What was neglected, however, is to criticise the ideas of cristianity. This is what this video is doing and I think it's a welcome move.
ntoiyt 1 year ago
Thanks for watching.
TurpisHaereticus 1 year ago
Pretty good points. No words could really express how far fetched theism is since they all claim to have knowledge of truth despite conflicting facts both internal and external..
Nice music btw. I'd love to buy a copy for studying. PM me?
flick2040 2 years ago
I would rather be in a shadowy place with free will than burning in Hell or being a mindless slave in Heaven.
Ozzy0sbourne 2 years ago
Amen Amen Amen
npf2135 2 years ago
great points and amazing quote at the end
favorited.
gothicfog 2 years ago
I favorited this. I use a lot of these points in debates with christians I know.
*****
bodeezy 2 years ago
@bodeezy these are childish points that can easily be countered.
HelghastMWS89 1 year ago
@Helghast What's childish is believing in Magic Sky Daddy. But counter all you want chief. The bible contradicts itself so often you can counter nearly anything it's doublespeak proclaims.
Countering still won't make god real or make fictional jesus any god's son. The winning (or losing) of this debate is meaningless. Unless you can provide empirical evidence that your god is real then it remains as real as Bigfoot or Nessie. Countering just can't change it...a child can see that.
bodeezy 1 year ago
@bodeezy Prove to me that it contradicts itself. And if there is no winning or losing, why do you call it a debate? A debate is meant to have a winner and a loser. And I do agree that this cannot be proven to someone who doesn't want to believe, but I do think that anything an intelligent atheist asks an intelligent christian, the christian will have a perfectly acceptable answer.
HelghastMWS89 1 year ago
@Helgh "The christian will have a perfectly acceptable answer". Your arrogance is foolhardy & ignorant. Biblical scholars even agree that's not true. The answer may be "perfectly acceptable" to another christian but not necessarily a skeptic. You won't accept a contradiction because you feel you can counter it. Yay...your "perfect" book needs you to defend it because it can't stand up to scrutiny. Still tho, you have no evidence. Your puny, invisible god exists only in your mind.
bodeezy 1 year ago
@bodeezy Of course it won't be acceptable to a skeptic. But if you were truly arguing for answers, it would definitely make you question your beliefs. If someone really talked to me and gave me some pretty solid evidence that there is no God, I might consider the fact. But I have never heard anyone provide solid evidence or even subtle clues to this claim. Also, you never told me how the bible contradicts itself.
P.S.-What do you mean by, "Biblical scholars even agree that's not true?"
HelghastMWS89 1 year ago
@HelghastMWS89 See? If someone gave me some pretty solid evidence that there IS a god, I might consider believing in one. I have never heard anyone provide solid evidence to this claim.
PS~ I could give you roughly 50 contradictions in Genesis alone. John Lofton's "debunking christianity" site has them listed along with the different accounts of the crucifixion & resurrection. Who wrote the gospels? Do you actually know? The authorship alone is enough to disregard the bible as false.
bodeezy 1 year ago
@bodeezy ProfMTH has a "brief bible blunders" vid series that focuses on biblical contradictions for you to see. I see no reason for us to argue the points. Neither of us will give up our position. I was a strong believer until I realized that I didn't have any reason to believe claims of any god & questioned why I believed what I did. Then I read the OT & NT many times & researched the origins of the bibles. This led me to be unable to believe in any abrahamic religion.
bodeezy 1 year ago
@bodeezy Your right, neither of us will not change our views by pointlessly spouting our opinions at each other. But, I don't understand how you could just lose your faith unless you didn't have faith in the first place. And if you would do some research, you will find plenty of evidence outside the bible that proves that Jesus was not only real, but he died on the cross and rose from the grave.
HelghastMWS89 1 year ago
@H Actually, researching is what led me to becoming atheist. There ISN'T plenty of evidence of Jesus existing, nor being crucified & rising from the dead. You realize that he wasn't even written about in his own supposed lifetime? The books of the bible were written 40 yrs after his supposed death. The Jesus myth is very similar to MANY mythical figures that came long before the Jesus myth. My faith was very strong & I learned all I could about it. Reading the bible is what started imy atheism.
bodeezy 1 year ago
@bodeezy Dude obviously I can't argue with you because you're doing the one thing every athiest ever does which is deflecting from the main point. Every time I ask you a question in one of my comments you never answer it directly. So I'm going to do what Jesus says and turn the other cheek. See ya.
HelghastMWS89 1 year ago
@H You asked, "how does the bible contradict itself"? Two different creation stories for beginners...Genesis 1:1-2:3 & Genesis 2:4-25. I can give you many more. The point is, that if the bible was "god's perfect word" as it claims to be, there would be no room or ability to misinterpret.
Bart Ehrman & Emmett F. Fields are two biblical scholars that agree the bible contradicts itself.
Now, don't run away like every theist does. : D
bodeezy 1 year ago
@bodeezy Okay, you may be right, I may be right...BUT, I feel like kind of a douchebag debating on Youtube via comments, so we'll just leave it at a draw, because we all know that I'm not going to give up, and you're not going to give up. But I will say this...If I come off as a jerk in my comments, that's not me in real life, I just think the guy who made this video is a little harsh.
HelghastMWS89 1 year ago
@H I don't blame you for not wanting to debate here. You don't seem like a jerk but a lot of people become "jerks" talking about this subject. Turpis may be harsh on religion but he isn't wrong. My point is, if I can't believe EVERY word in the bible then why should I believe ANY words of it when science has proven many of it's claims as false. I'd expect god to write a perfect book. If you feel like it, watch the main vid on my page. Food for thought. Later Helg.
bodeezy 1 year ago
@bodeezy Well we all have different views and unlike a lot of christians, I don't judge people with different views. I respect your views and don't blame you for not believing certain things. We've all had doubts. Best of luck. See ya.
HelghastMWS89 1 year ago
Vivid illustration of a too-often ignored point. 5 stars.
ToddAllenGates 2 years ago
Thanks brutha for the comment and video response!
TurpisHaereticus 2 years ago