February 11, 1996, Toronto Star: "What I had hesitated to mention is that the colorful Randi has been involved in a number of lawsuits. Part of the evidence brought against Randi was a tape of his telephone conversations, of explicit sexual content, with teenage boys. Randi has at different times claimed that the tape was a hoax made by his enemies to blackmail him, that he made the tape himself, and that the police asked him to make it.
Makes me proud to be Australian, although to be honest this is an odd anomaly among a plethora of crap our government seems to legislate :P We seem to be in a banning frenzy at the moment......... including pornography featuring woman with small breasts, packaging of R rated movies and swearing in public >_< *waves little Australian flag*
Sorry, the competition EFX works for me some areas excellent. When I bend over putting my fingers to toes, the "pain/stretch" moves from my calves to my tighs and I stretch considerably more. Tried it blindfolded hunderds of times with and without a hologram. I can always tell which one it is. And no I am not selling them or involved in any way. For some people it does not work at all, for some in my opinion it does. Not all things work in all people. Acupuncture works for some, and some not.
@PHeMoX You are the kind of person that would say ....... CERNS not dangerous, its not dangerous until i can prove it.... (never having realised that the proof is in actuality the demise of the universe - as a blackhole consumes us all) i will not discuss consciousness to you because consciousness to you is simply the wakeful period isnt it(as indicative in this) : "Human consciousness really has little to do with scientific research"Actually, on that note ... i can not be entertained by a fool.
@cybermental (cern blackhole theory is only that ... a theory !) .. but i am making an example of the reductionist who claims nothing exists until i can prove it in a materialistic scientific paradigm.... (after measurement) ..
@cybermental Contrary to what you seem to assume there, science doesn't deal in absolutes. If anything the scientific community as a whole is well aware of how our knowledge is limited and relative to paradigms and what not.
It's also why there's plenty of room for debate on all levels related to science. Contrary to, say religion, where only one fictional story is supposed to explain everything.
@cybermental and i truly am not religious...... so why are you speaking of religion? do you have a bone to pick with the monotheistically intuned? You cant prove god doesnt exist, so if you want to speak of science dont attempt to discredit god.... einstein attempted to prove "god's" existance... are you saying you have already disproved it ? You seem to have a bone to pick..
@cybermental regardless scientific theory is spoken about as though its an absolute..... a truth.... and is closely guarded by those wishing to pursue a boring existance alongside professional science..... (einstein even claimed professional science (paid by wage by corps/govts etc) was incredibly mundane)
@cybermental To bad it's Heisenberg's uncertainty principle, not Heisenmann though. And to me it very much seemed like you did not understand that one bit. Look into what Popper had to say about that and you'll see.
@cybermental also, as for the worlds flat theory ..... great scientific theories of the ages suggested we lived on the back of a tortoise.... i speak of this because all science does is use language as a means to describe the incomprehensible.... by using language and symbols and theories we already understand currently .... to better cognize that of which it is researching/evaluating ....
@cybermental I speak of this because many of the modern understandings of science, laws and principals etc .... will seem as radiculous to us in 100 years ... as living on the back of a turtoise does to us... I am not suggesting there are absolutes, just engrained inaccuracies.
@cybermental: The difference is that back then people considered living on the back of a turtoise a 'fact' because they had FAITH in such an idea.
Science doesn't work like that. There will be things in the future that shed different light on past discoveries for sure, but that's to be expected. You can't ever expect to predict everything correctly when knowledge is this limited.
@cybermental Being motivated to investigate or support a certain theory is clearly not the same as having unconditional faith in something for which there's usually little to no evidence whatsoever.
@PHeMoX I'm not sure about you .... but im sick of these pseudoscientists that claim to be scientific because they just finished "a brief history of time"..... are you just one of the many?
@PHeMoX I must commence the day, i am still in bed, it was a pleasure.... have a pleasant day ..... do not be limited by the doctrines of a movement that is ever-so infantile-create totally novel theories.... do not be held back by scientific dogma... we need radical new approaches ... a new way of thinking ... a new way of understanding ..... not be held back by flimsy scientific principals/laws etc-those who have discovered innovative breakthroughs were not held back in such a way.
@cybermental tesla completely denounced the maxwell's laws of electromagnetics...... and subsequently created marvels still withheld today .. when tesla created a free energy device he was asked where they could put the meter(to market it out to the masses) ... tesla didnt want that ... .. (you can research the patents and his work if you havent already although i assume you have....)
@PHeMoX ok, I find it humorous that in a jamesrandifoundation youtube channel .... not a single skeptic has stood behind your argument..... that speaks volumes.
@PHeMoX I just dont discredit something until it has been disproven without a shadow of a doubt.......... So i keep an openmind...... the universe may not just be as strange as we suppose it is .... it may just be stranger than we CAN suppose........ It doesnt mean i wholeheartedly believe in the paranormal......
@cybermental Someone can trust their own scientific methodology, judgment or reasoning, sure, but one should never believe in such a way that faith itself becomes the actual purpose.
Even Einstein got caught up in that eventually though, you know the paradigm thing.
@cybermental Oh, I can tell you that the universe is far stranger than we can imagine. It makes sense when we speak of the largely unknown. Don't know why that comes as such a surprise to you.
Weren't you the one talking about ancient views of the world being on a tortoise and such?
@PHeMoX lol, discussion over, i do hope though that many randi advocates read this entire discussion on corporate dictatorship (affecting science) and my general thoughts on science and realise every single key point i have attempted to riddle with rather spin-doctor like antics often simply preying on the language i use to attempt to discredit me as abruptly as possible never having argued with witful conflict. They will realise most of what you have spoken of you have had to google.
@cybermental Lots of words, but what does it mean?
Figuring out the actual significance of something takes more than doing a search with google. Many will search forever and never understand. Say, you aren't one of those are you??
@cybermental and yet you seem to believe in conspiracy theories quite religiously. Perhaps you're not so much a 'man of God' in the classical sense, but you do seem to choose 'faith' over 'fact' basically all the time here.
@cybermental Actually, you did exactly that when you suggested science as a whole functions as a reductionist idiot that can only think in true or false, black or white and nothing in between.
Science deals with prediction and chance as much as it deals with scientific evidence and (objective/subjective) 'truth'. Science doesn't pretend to have ALL the answers as some kind of infallible God-placeholder, they know they don't and state so.
@PHeMoX No, reductionist logic stems from the investigation of causality.... through age-old experimentation and definition by a limited language-set.
@cybermental I know, but you seemed to have translated that into science being wrong all the time. Essentially science doesn't claim to be right though. But I've got a feeling you've missed that point completely.
And now, you regurgitated einsteins often misunderstood quotes to begin with, what do skeptics do when they are about to fold? .... ramble on about some stupid einstein quote .... answer this ...... if einstein was so brilliant.... how could he have allowed for the creation of a device that he knew would one day be used ..... thats not bright... that's stupid..... and i am sure in your ignorance youre recognise it as such......
@cybermental The answer is simple, but you obviously fail to notice. Not building the bomb would have probably meant that the nazi-Germans would now have conquered large parts of this world.
@PHeMoX there is fundamental error in this comment..... and that is that the nuclear bomb will only be used by those who are fearful of the use of nuclear weapons on their own citisens; failing to recognise mans stupidity is at the least ....naieve and chronically absurd at best. He regretted helping forge the bomb....Another fundamental flaw is easy to point out ... and that was that the nazi's would have never won the war to begin with .... considering the other super powers of the world....
@cybermental You really have no clue, have you? They did throw atomic bombs in a war already and it did not result in a mutual assured destruction back then at all.
Our modern situation is nothing like that. Einstein mostly regretted the necessity, but not his personal involvement.
There have been many turning points in the second world war where the war could have gone both ways, but there's no way of telling what the nazis could have accomplished with atomic bombs.
@PHeMoX lol, you have lost. if you have failed to recognise your failure to dissolve any of my arguments in the light of destroying every single simplistic discussion point of yours...... then i have already wasted enough of my time on somebody who is likely to never learn or discover a thing for themselves...... you make regurgitate a general law of science occasionally ..... and probably poorly may i add, but regardless you wont discover anything in this manner.
@PHeMoX Errr, cern is predominately private funded but their are countries that are signatories !... you have failed to utilise cern as an example. Governments arent chucking a few hundred million a piece (per country).... regardless you have failed to recognise cern is a step closer to global destruction. and tip toe around the fact.
@PHeMoX It is okay, the more you speak the more you display the true essence of the pseudoskeptic..... No firm understanding of science, just comfort in knowing the world can be deced easily with a set of simple rules and equations, you my friend are the lesser amongst us.... the weakminded.
@PHeMoX no but it resulted in nuclear radioactive fallout.... an increase of radioactive isotopes on the planet, thats fucking genuis aswell isnt it einstein !
@cybermental No, but it obviously proves you wrong in that people who develop such bombs would never decide to use them. In other words, the Americans, with their dumb move, proved how the nazi-Germans would quite likely have done the same.
@PHeMoX regardless you have failed to recognise that speaking of einstein has only proved my point more than i probably could have !!!! and that is that scientific discoveries are withheld and used to concentrate power and wealth .. you claim i have no understanding of science yet you're the ibid !
I'm a little conflicted. On one hand the idea that class action law suits can take down companies peddling bs, and on the other we have another score of people who have been fooled by a scam often repeated which preys on familiar logical fallacies, advertising tricks, and so on.
Don't bother, as I'm sure you're wrong about what he thought for sure as it involves the most often abused quote from Einstein. Religious nuts don't understand how someone can be unbiased or think of God as a bigger emotional CONCEPT, entailing much more than a fictional undetectable entity from a book that was obviously made up many centuries ago. He had no opinion on whether an actual God entity must exist and he definitely wasn't actually religious.
@PHeMoX Einstein said: "I have repeatedly said that in my opinion the idea of a personal God is a childlike one. You may call me an agnostic, but I do not share the crusading spirit of the professional atheist whose fervor is mostly due to a painful act of liberation from the fetters of religious indoctrination received in youth. I prefer an attitude of humility corresponding to the weakness of our intellectual understanding of nature and of our own being." I think he's pretty clear.
@PHeMoX Lol, how genius, you havent observed your own demise ? Regardless einstein is a perfect example of how science will lead us to the brink of extinction and beyond, you fail, it also proves how corporate interests (military industrial complex) and war governs how scientific discoveries are put to use after documentation ....... In your poor attempt to prove you've read more than 1 book on einstein... you have failed to recognise the failure in your argument.
@cybermental Do go ahead and explain which failure that is. Because you clearly fail at proper argumentation of your own very ignorance by stating that I have somehow magically lost this discussion. That's some funny shit. I've merely enlightened you on what Einstein actually said and I did not need to read books for that. Everyone can look it up, but apparently you fail even at such a simple task.
@PHeMoX Regardless, he believed in god as a force. I'm sure you're atheistic in nature.... regardless regurgitate some useless einstein quote in some vague attempt at substantiating one iota of your discourse because you know your debate is fruitless and naieve.
@cybermental No, he was agnostic, he clearly did state so on several occasions.
He argued that while he did not believe in a God entity, that if the concept of God would count as everything that encompasses the universe's extraordinary character, then he would argue that to be 'God' to him. He never specified it as 'force' or ID kind of God.
I do believe that there's no God entity and that God isn't a possibility, but I'd be the first to state otherwise if I'd ever get disproven.
@PHeMoX I'm very much atheistic when it comes to the Gods of all modern day religions. But I'm agnostic when it comes to what kick-started the coming into existence of all that is and whether or not some kind of entity was responsible. In that sense you could say I am very agnostic.
I don't need a God explanation to see that the world is impressively extraordinary, something religious people often fail to notice. To busy worshiping their fake Gods.
@PHeMoX To quote with such confidence ... such a lengthy phrase proves one thing ... you had to research einstein to speak of him. You arent fooling anybody with your blunt incredulity, the first person mentioned when a pseudoskeptic is attempting to carefully guard their very precious belief system is einstein...... you're no exception.
@cybermental: Contrary to you who did not research anything, but just boldly go about claiming whatever you like.
Einstein wasn't infallible and there is not one scientist who defines all of science. But apparently Einstein is a favorite target of nutters like you. You brought him up, not me.
@PheMoX is also something that hurdles the human consciousness of mankind from evolving. Regardless research is stinted by an inability to fund the resources needed to carry out this crucial research for mankind. The crucial research necessary to free mankind from hungry & slavery........... important research ... not just toys for big boys.
@cybermental So let me get this straight, you're upset about science, because science actually compliments live as a whole in some areas, making it more pleasureful than it already is? That's nuts. Do you have any idea how much science accomplished already???
Everyone benefits from science, even when some benefit more. That's just the way the cookie crumbles. In fact, without inequality in this world, there would not be any progress possible. But I'm sure you wouldn't understand.
@PHeMoX He spoke of how peace can not be brought on by war but by understanding.- regardless of how much he knew splitting the atomc could have had bad consequences he was inevitably forced into the position of using his discoveries not for the betterment of mankind but for the military industrial complex and big corpa. This is what i speak of. Important research is funded by corporate interests who can pay to fund the resources needed,compartmentalisation of knowledge for monetary gain.
@cybermental Another popular Einstein myth. Einstein understood, like Oppenheimer and the others, that this technology could be used as a weapon from basically day one.
Einstein actually agreed entirely with the idea of building the atom bomb before the Nazi-Germans did (which they inevitably would (or did)). He understood exactly the importance of such a super weapon.
@PHeMoX Einstein was so bright he agreed to make a device he knew could or even would one day destroy mankind, he regretted it. Dont deny it, he regretted it, he speaks of his regret. CERN super colliders that theoretical physicists have claimed could create a blackhole and consume the earth in less than a nanosecond......... Oh yes, excellant, science has had its almighty hand on the jugular of mankind since the dawn of banking.
@cybermental So now you're questioning his genius too? Lol, you are so delusional it's funny. Einstein simply had human emotions encouraging him to pursue the development of the atomic bomb before the Nazi Germans would.
You seem to blame him for being human?
It's striking how you seem to bring up all those doomsday theories and dumb conspiracy theories in an pathetic attempt to bash science as a whole.
What are you trying to prove anyway? Your inability of basic comprehension?
@PHeMoX You truly have no grasp on this discussion.... not one iota of what i have discussed you have debated intelligently... (or even half-witted may i add) .... Answer this, you can prove my discourse to be valid yourself,,,,,,, answer the few questions if you could ..... "What fuels scientific research?" ........ ($) ..... What governments right now are funding and backing hundred million dollar research projects? .... (honestly...) .....
@PHeMoX How many medical breakthroughs have NOT been PURELY by accident. Hell, how many TOTALLY unique and alien technological breakthroughs have been purely discovered after having been EXPECTED?!! if science was so apt at evaluating causality the breakthroughs should be expected....... not surprising!!! and historically they have been unexpected...... !
@PHeMoX Regardless $ will direct the future of intensive elaborate laboratory research in a time in which financial stability and advancement is most important.......... In a time where the super powers of the world are fearful because of the instability of such financial systems.....What do you think will occur in the instance i speak of ? .... Obviously research will be undertaken only if the company can use the information gained for their own corporate gains......Simple.
@PHeMoX When do goverments pay half a billion dollars or even a hundred million dollars for intense scientific research? ...... They largely dont. What does this mean ? What this means for both you and i is that corporate interests delay the progression of mans understanding of the universe..... of reality.... and subsequently delay the advancement in human consciousness as a whole .... The concentration of wealth will continue as will the secrecy of key lab research of high importance.
@cybermental No, you're wrong. Money alone doesn't define the chance of reaching new milestones in scientific research. There are also infact lots of multi-billion projects initiated by governments, often with multiple governments even. Just look at CERN.
Your argument as such is mute. Commerce might have it's way at SOME of the scientific progress, but not as much as you want to believe.
@cybermntl Many times, it's obvious you never investigated such.
Humor me and do some research into the Federal Funds for Research and Development. Other countries have similar funding. They have literally spend hundreds of billions.
@PHeMoX its in wikipedia - wiki/CERN#Member_states ! yeah few hundred billion dollars no from individual countries.... from a group of signatories.... cern is predominantly privately funded. !
@cybermental: A few hundred million every year, but regardless. Then to think that CERN is one of many such projects, even if this is rather high-profile. International facilities receive funding from all kinds of sources. It's just how things work on a financial level.
There are plenty of privately funded research projects that compliment science in great ways. So I don't see why you're even making such a fuzz here. I doubt you grasp the significance of any science.
the problem with scientific endeavours is simple - $. Major key scientific research is performed solely in laboratories funded by those wishing to distill such secrets for their own monetary gain ... yes, the destruction of mankind ... viva la science ...... I guess there's honesty in the field somewhere though? Even when experiments are designed to meet particular hypothesis and are funded in such a way-uhhuh-Science is good for "toys for big boys".measurement/experimentation/causal effects
@cybermental I know nothing of science? Funny seeing how much ridiculous videos ended up in your favorites on YT and the strange comments you make. Seems you're all about conspiracy theories, aliens, government cover-ups, religious nuttiness. The world would easily be better off without that crap. There's a difference between building a conspiracy theory and finding out what's actual truth. I think you got stuck in your 'altered state of perception' somewhere down the road.
@PHeMoX Not really, i'm simply making the obvious point that science is good for evaluating causal effects, experimentation and measurement. How come historically, all major breakthroughs in the medical world have been ... wait for it .... wait for it ..... an accident. Yes an accident. In science heisenmann's uncertainty principal states that most scientific theories cant be proven without a smidgen of doubt. I am not a conspiracy theorist nut, as you suggest.
@cybermental Then you do not understand science and it's place in society as a whole at all! It's not only the best we've got, it's the only thing we've got. Science doesn't deal in absolutes if that's what you're suggesting, the world we're living in is one big relativistic bunch of 'problems'. Science as such does deal with paradigms, but the great part about science is that they do dare adapt and change views all the time. Contrary to say,...oh there we go again, religion.
@PHeMoX I just understand .... in mankinds infancy our best model at describing or understanding the fabric of reality may be with scientific models, regardless, the earth was once flat, the scientific materialist paradigm of reductionist logic that has been around for atleast 700 years is only that, a model... and yes most pharmaceuticals in use today ... wait for it wait for it .... WILL not be deemed safe in 100 years, look at history, this has been so since the dawn of medicine..
@cybermental Lol, that's not even correct. The 'flat world' idea came from the bible and has been a 15th century hoax, it's among the witch hunt craziness of the Dark Ages and before. Modern science has nothing to do with that. In fact, there have always been a lot of civilizations who did understand that the earth could never be flat. Mayans, Ancient Egyptians and so on. If it weren't for religion, that knowledge would never have been 'messed with'.
@PHeMoX As i have suggested, the conditions of experiments can be designed in such a way as to attain the desired outcome (having validated their desired hypothesis), yes.... The problem is that scientific research is performed in labs that are solely funded by corporate interests. In this sense secrets are valuable $...... regardless, science is good for a weak model that is only as accurate as the language used to describe the models themselves. We are in our infancy as a race
@cybermental You're confusing the everyday marketing and commerce we deal with, with the actual science and the scientific method every other sentence you write there. It's not the same thing at all.
A lab doesn't have to be independent or unbiased even to do proper research. If need be, other scientists can replicate the experiments for confirmation. This happens literally all the time.
Science's legitimacy as such is entirely self-explanatory. It's the sum of all parts.
It's like Einstein said; “If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough”.
Same is true for your logical fallacy. Science as a means of describing our world works fine, even when there's still a lot lot lot left to discover and understand better.
@PHeMoX Your argument is mute, you have taken everything out of context.... the scientific research necessary to send mankind as a whole into space and beyond, and the technologies needed to truly save mankind from hunger and slavery exists in the hands of those funding elaborate scientific research into key fields.So you can not seperate the $ from science because most lab work performed and most discovered performed are under the scrutiny of companies with purely corporate interests.
@cybermental TYPO (I have not proofread a thing) So you can not seperate the $ from science because most lab work performed and most discoveries have been perpetuated under the scrutiny of companies with purely corporate interests. **
@PHeMoX This is what amuses me about you folk, you sit around the shrine of deceased theoretical predecessors like einstein never having probably read any of his material and regurgitate some ridiculously absurd and ambiguous quote of his having never realised the very quotes he spoke completely backup what i have spoke of in this conversation-You know what einstein said about traditional educational traditional studies in science?
@cybermental The only thing that interferes with my learning is my education. He often joked about how his absence from college to learn science would have illuminated him to the point of "genius". He also spoke of how imagination is more important than knowledge, thats a famous one, im sure you remember that also? .... Regardless im glad you mention einstein... I can make my point more easily digestible for your feeble mind.
@PHeMoX Science's allmighty omnipotent arrogance so far has led us into a deeper hole that humanity has to attempt to find comfort in ....... When really these models are so infantile that they will sound absurd in a few hundred years ..... as for legion, i'm not suggesting i believe power balance works. I am suggesting that the world is stranger than we CAN suppose and that the fabric of reality, the universe is not reducible so simply, with such a mundane set of general laws.
@PHeMoX As for your discourse regarding conspiracy theorist antics and videos i watch on youtube..... I dont believe anything because to believe wholeheartedly in something is to shed one of humankinds only true liberties, to do so is to automatically preclude the polar-opposite belief as a valid option.... this is self-limiting ..... Instead i like to keep an openmind...
@PHeMoX regardless if everything i have on my favourites in conspiracy theorist in nature -explain crop circles-with your weak scientific models-i ask those within scientific research fields to disprove crop circles("Anatomical anomalies in crop formation plants", WC Levengood, Physiologia Plantarum, Volume 92, Issue 2, pages 356–363, October 1994) -research the rockefeller funded crop circle study, many professors partook in the study they could not replicate what they had discovered.
@PHeMoX All i am suggesting is that you should not be so certain in concluding personal investigations...... that the universe is not just as strange as we suppose it is ... that it could just be stranger than we CAN suppose..... Scientific models are more a model of the advancement of human consciousness & the human mind and not so much an a universe consisting of extremely complex system of complex systems that is nature, the universe and so forth-Principia discordia ad infinitum.
@PHeMoX What annoys me of skeptics such as yourself is that you have no formal education in any field of science whatsoever, yet you claim it has such omnipotent powers of discernment.... hahaha, regardless in retrospect a 2 year education will not give one the ability to understand the true fabric of nature. (A degree qualification) and yes, I just finished studying a theoretical sciences course at university...... So i know something of what i speaketh.
@PHeMoX on a side-note, sorry about the minor typos .... "an" = "of" and other minor typos, I am human and it is early in the a.m ...... Mahalos' (May you be in the divine blessings of the gods) ... hah..
@cybermental oh as for the religious nut comment (as you have suggested i am)-I am not at all religious lol. You see here's the problem in science-you take an observation, identify in your observations that of which i say that you find incredulous which is purely limited by your understanding of reality based on your own personal "reality-tunnel" thought construct and then through reduction attempt to attain that of which you really just assume i am .(a conspiracy theorist) ironic?
Dear Randi , would love to see you talk about self-help 'GURU'S' like anthony robbins and others and The Secret.... which i believe is a bunch of nonsense.. but this sells like hot cakes in the world.. misleading so many innocent people.. Thank you in advance..
Thank you for exposing these frauds. Unfortunately many of these guys already have the money and spent it. Money that can never go back to the poor souls who were fooled.
Power Balance works great. Mine has increased my performance, and balance. There is some fine tuning to be done. My first bracelet left me lopsided somewhat, so I added another one to my other wrist. Which pretty much left me where I started from. So by adding more and more bracelets to each arm, I was finally able to achieve perfect balance. It's sort of difficult to move now, but at least when I fall down, I spring back up. Almost bounce. And at $30 a shot (x74 in my case) it's a bargin.
As long as we have sociopaths and marked economics that make it profitable to lie we will have scamming like this. Either get rid of the sociopaths or the system supporting their behavior. I vote for the latter.
I made the point that MOST ADVERTISING IS FALSE even on the psychological level. Advertising is meant to trigger an EMOTIONAL response. I ALSO said no one forced them to BUY this crap. My point was why pick on this particular company who's products do ABSOLUTELY NOTHING and can therefore DO ABSOLUTELY NO HARM? If the problem is with the advertising, then why not (as in the case of cigarets & alcohol) just change the advertising?
@hardinmichael1981 " MOST ADVERTISING IS FALSE" this is no true. Advertainsing can be exagerate but not be false. Some of them are trully false but is not the majority. Even if that bracelet DO NO HARM they are SCAM. They are selling a overpriced product with no effect to people who think it have an effect, and is ilegal.
@hardinmichael1981 Because while the trinkets themselves do no harm, the situation is very harmful. The problem is with a company putting out a product and lying about its efficacy and gullible people buying it. The LEAST of the problems is wasting one's money. It gets worse from there, people with real problems ignoring real treatment for this kind of crap etc.
What do you think of herbal energy drinks? I have a prof. who is trying to convince us to either buy them or sell them ourselves so we can talk other people into buying or selling them.
I ran into sales persons of the power-balance, I walked up to him and started yelling and ranting: SNAKEOIL!!! THEY ARE SELLING YOU SNAKEOIL!!! not everybody knew what snake oil is and my comment fell mostly on deaf ears.
February 11, 1996, Toronto Star: "What I had hesitated to mention is that the colorful Randi has been involved in a number of lawsuits. Part of the evidence brought against Randi was a tape of his telephone conversations, of explicit sexual content, with teenage boys. Randi has at different times claimed that the tape was a hoax made by his enemies to blackmail him, that he made the tape himself, and that the police asked him to make it.
uyuihyuiyu 1 month ago
@uyuihyuiyu So what? What does that have to do with his views?
Google "ad hominem" and lash yourself fifty times for your stupidity.
YaleBreaker 1 week ago
Kobe Bryant is a liar and a all around bad man.
adlerbr12 1 month ago in playlist The Randi Show
Makes me proud to be Australian, although to be honest this is an odd anomaly among a plethora of crap our government seems to legislate :P We seem to be in a banning frenzy at the moment......... including pornography featuring woman with small breasts, packaging of R rated movies and swearing in public >_< *waves little Australian flag*
siamesemojo 2 months ago
@siamesemojo not to mention LASERS (<1mW) killjoys
stefwpiot 1 month ago in playlist The Randi Show
I like you James Randi, but have you done your research????
PatrickSebastian 2 months ago
@PatrickSebastian ofcourse he did!
wulfsragar 2 months ago
Sorry, the competition EFX works for me some areas excellent. When I bend over putting my fingers to toes, the "pain/stretch" moves from my calves to my tighs and I stretch considerably more. Tried it blindfolded hunderds of times with and without a hologram. I can always tell which one it is. And no I am not selling them or involved in any way. For some people it does not work at all, for some in my opinion it does. Not all things work in all people. Acupuncture works for some, and some not.
PatrickSebastian 2 months ago
@PHeMoX screw popcorn i need breakfast :P :)
cybermental 2 months ago
@PHeMoX You are the kind of person that would say ....... CERNS not dangerous, its not dangerous until i can prove it.... (never having realised that the proof is in actuality the demise of the universe - as a blackhole consumes us all) i will not discuss consciousness to you because consciousness to you is simply the wakeful period isnt it(as indicative in this) : "Human consciousness really has little to do with scientific research"Actually, on that note ... i can not be entertained by a fool.
cybermental 2 months ago
@cybermental (cern blackhole theory is only that ... a theory !) .. but i am making an example of the reductionist who claims nothing exists until i can prove it in a materialistic scientific paradigm.... (after measurement) ..
cybermental 2 months ago
@cybermental Contrary to what you seem to assume there, science doesn't deal in absolutes. If anything the scientific community as a whole is well aware of how our knowledge is limited and relative to paradigms and what not.
It's also why there's plenty of room for debate on all levels related to science. Contrary to, say religion, where only one fictional story is supposed to explain everything.
PHeMoX 2 months ago
@PHeMoX i never stated it dealt in absolutes.
cybermental 2 months ago
@cybermental and i truly am not religious...... so why are you speaking of religion? do you have a bone to pick with the monotheistically intuned? You cant prove god doesnt exist, so if you want to speak of science dont attempt to discredit god.... einstein attempted to prove "god's" existance... are you saying you have already disproved it ? You seem to have a bone to pick..
cybermental 2 months ago
@cybermental regardless scientific theory is spoken about as though its an absolute..... a truth.... and is closely guarded by those wishing to pursue a boring existance alongside professional science..... (einstein even claimed professional science (paid by wage by corps/govts etc) was incredibly mundane)
cybermental 2 months ago
@cybermental Not at all. It always speaks in terms of chance and (un)certainty, but the media who report about science often times do not.
PHeMoX 2 months ago
@PHeMoX lol, i have spoken about heisenmann's uncertainty principle... read back ... im not speaking of absolute truths.....
cybermental 2 months ago
@cybermental You are suggesting i am claiming something that i have not.....
cybermental 2 months ago
@cybermental To bad it's Heisenberg's uncertainty principle, not Heisenmann though. And to me it very much seemed like you did not understand that one bit. Look into what Popper had to say about that and you'll see.
PHeMoX 2 months ago
@PHeMoX to bad you only just realised i spelt it incorrectly now .....besides ..... youre not the scholar, you lack vocab kid.
cybermental 2 months ago
@cybermental I'm not a native English speaker, I have my excuses.
PHeMoX 2 months ago
@cybermental also, as for the worlds flat theory ..... great scientific theories of the ages suggested we lived on the back of a tortoise.... i speak of this because all science does is use language as a means to describe the incomprehensible.... by using language and symbols and theories we already understand currently .... to better cognize that of which it is researching/evaluating ....
cybermental 2 months ago
@cybermental I speak of this because many of the modern understandings of science, laws and principals etc .... will seem as radiculous to us in 100 years ... as living on the back of a turtoise does to us... I am not suggesting there are absolutes, just engrained inaccuracies.
cybermental 2 months ago
@cybermental: The difference is that back then people considered living on the back of a turtoise a 'fact' because they had FAITH in such an idea.
Science doesn't work like that. There will be things in the future that shed different light on past discoveries for sure, but that's to be expected. You can't ever expect to predict everything correctly when knowledge is this limited.
PHeMoX 2 months ago
@PHeMoX lol lol, scientists who spend their entire lifetime defending scientific theory have no faith in it ? ....
cybermental 2 months ago
@cybermental Being motivated to investigate or support a certain theory is clearly not the same as having unconditional faith in something for which there's usually little to no evidence whatsoever.
PHeMoX 2 months ago
@PHeMoX more side-stepping.
cybermental 2 months ago
@PHeMoX I'm not sure about you .... but im sick of these pseudoscientists that claim to be scientific because they just finished "a brief history of time"..... are you just one of the many?
cybermental 2 months ago
@cybermental nice RC heli's
cybermental 2 months ago
@cybermental A change of subject already? But thanks, I guess.
PHeMoX 2 months ago
@PHeMoX I must commence the day, i am still in bed, it was a pleasure.... have a pleasant day ..... do not be limited by the doctrines of a movement that is ever-so infantile-create totally novel theories.... do not be held back by scientific dogma... we need radical new approaches ... a new way of thinking ... a new way of understanding ..... not be held back by flimsy scientific principals/laws etc-those who have discovered innovative breakthroughs were not held back in such a way.
cybermental 2 months ago
@cybermental tesla completely denounced the maxwell's laws of electromagnetics...... and subsequently created marvels still withheld today .. when tesla created a free energy device he was asked where they could put the meter(to market it out to the masses) ... tesla didnt want that ... .. (you can research the patents and his work if you havent already although i assume you have....)
cybermental 2 months ago
@cybermental have a pleasant day/evening .... Mahalos (may you be in the divine blessings of the gods) .... (he he :P )
cybermental 2 months ago
@cybermental Yeah, thank you to. Although I'm not sure what you're thanking me for.
PHeMoX 2 months ago
@PHeMoX ok, I find it humorous that in a jamesrandifoundation youtube channel .... not a single skeptic has stood behind your argument..... that speaks volumes.
cybermental 2 months ago
@cybermental I'm pretty sure they are too busy laughing their socks off and eating pop corn. Here, have some too.
PHeMoX 2 months ago
@PHeMoX I enjoyed the discussion, have a pleasant epoch.
cybermental 2 months ago
@cybermental Well, why would one even care about pseudo-scientists? Hasn't anyone told you those aren't to be taken seriously?
For all I know you are one of them. Your 'YouTube favorites' totally seemed to suggest that.
PHeMoX 2 months ago
@PHeMoX to what are you referring?
cybermental 2 months ago
@cybermental Isn't that obvious? A more reasonable kind of common sense you seem to be void of.
PHeMoX 2 months ago
@PHeMoX I just dont discredit something until it has been disproven without a shadow of a doubt.......... So i keep an openmind...... the universe may not just be as strange as we suppose it is .... it may just be stranger than we CAN suppose........ It doesnt mean i wholeheartedly believe in the paranormal......
cybermental 2 months ago
@cybermental even then, when i feel i can discredit somethingi recognise i could be incorrect .... to have beliefs is an ignorance...
cybermental 2 months ago
@cybermental Someone can trust their own scientific methodology, judgment or reasoning, sure, but one should never believe in such a way that faith itself becomes the actual purpose.
Even Einstein got caught up in that eventually though, you know the paradigm thing.
PHeMoX 2 months ago
@PHeMoX lol, einstein einstein einstein ..... explain e = mc2
cybermental 2 months ago
@cybermental Oh, I can tell you that the universe is far stranger than we can imagine. It makes sense when we speak of the largely unknown. Don't know why that comes as such a surprise to you.
Weren't you the one talking about ancient views of the world being on a tortoise and such?
PHeMoX 2 months ago
@PHeMoX lol, discussion over, i do hope though that many randi advocates read this entire discussion on corporate dictatorship (affecting science) and my general thoughts on science and realise every single key point i have attempted to riddle with rather spin-doctor like antics often simply preying on the language i use to attempt to discredit me as abruptly as possible never having argued with witful conflict. They will realise most of what you have spoken of you have had to google.
cybermental 2 months ago
@cybermental Lots of words, but what does it mean?
Figuring out the actual significance of something takes more than doing a search with google. Many will search forever and never understand. Say, you aren't one of those are you??
PHeMoX 2 months ago
@PHeMoX I am sorry, you continually contraindict yourself now....... and you do not even recognise it, have you already forgotten the discussion?
cybermental 2 months ago
@cybermental 'Contraindict' ? Sounds nasty.
PHeMoX 2 months ago
@PHeMoX well, arent you pedantic. want me to correct myself ? i think you know what i mean einstein.
cybermental 2 months ago
@cybermental if you know anything about how pestering laptop keyboards can become moments after dawn.....
cybermental 2 months ago
@cybermental and yet you seem to believe in conspiracy theories quite religiously. Perhaps you're not so much a 'man of God' in the classical sense, but you do seem to choose 'faith' over 'fact' basically all the time here.
PHeMoX 2 months ago
@cybermental Actually, you did exactly that when you suggested science as a whole functions as a reductionist idiot that can only think in true or false, black or white and nothing in between.
Science deals with prediction and chance as much as it deals with scientific evidence and (objective/subjective) 'truth'. Science doesn't pretend to have ALL the answers as some kind of infallible God-placeholder, they know they don't and state so.
Hence the concept of 'theory'!
PHeMoX 2 months ago
@PHeMoX No, reductionist logic stems from the investigation of causality.... through age-old experimentation and definition by a limited language-set.
cybermental 2 months ago
@cybermental i agree with the latter half of this statement, i dont see your point.... your modus operandi relating to this comment ....
cybermental 2 months ago
@cybermental I know, but you seemed to have translated that into science being wrong all the time. Essentially science doesn't claim to be right though. But I've got a feeling you've missed that point completely.
PHeMoX 2 months ago
@PHeMoX lol how many times have you mentioned the word "absolute" ? .... Do not underestimate my intelligence friend....
cybermental 2 months ago
And now, you regurgitated einsteins often misunderstood quotes to begin with, what do skeptics do when they are about to fold? .... ramble on about some stupid einstein quote .... answer this ...... if einstein was so brilliant.... how could he have allowed for the creation of a device that he knew would one day be used ..... thats not bright... that's stupid..... and i am sure in your ignorance youre recognise it as such......
cybermental 2 months ago
@cybermental you're unable to recognise it as such ... * ... (another early morning here)
cybermental 2 months ago
@cybermental The answer is simple, but you obviously fail to notice. Not building the bomb would have probably meant that the nazi-Germans would now have conquered large parts of this world.
How can you possibly approve of that?
PHeMoX 2 months ago
@PHeMoX there is fundamental error in this comment..... and that is that the nuclear bomb will only be used by those who are fearful of the use of nuclear weapons on their own citisens; failing to recognise mans stupidity is at the least ....naieve and chronically absurd at best. He regretted helping forge the bomb....Another fundamental flaw is easy to point out ... and that was that the nazi's would have never won the war to begin with .... considering the other super powers of the world....
cybermental 2 months ago
@cybermental You really have no clue, have you? They did throw atomic bombs in a war already and it did not result in a mutual assured destruction back then at all.
Our modern situation is nothing like that. Einstein mostly regretted the necessity, but not his personal involvement.
There have been many turning points in the second world war where the war could have gone both ways, but there's no way of telling what the nazis could have accomplished with atomic bombs.
PHeMoX 2 months ago
@PHeMoX lol, you have lost. if you have failed to recognise your failure to dissolve any of my arguments in the light of destroying every single simplistic discussion point of yours...... then i have already wasted enough of my time on somebody who is likely to never learn or discover a thing for themselves...... you make regurgitate a general law of science occasionally ..... and probably poorly may i add, but regardless you wont discover anything in this manner.
cybermental 2 months ago
@cybermental make = may*
cybermental 2 months ago
@PHeMoX Errr, cern is predominately private funded but their are countries that are signatories !... you have failed to utilise cern as an example. Governments arent chucking a few hundred million a piece (per country).... regardless you have failed to recognise cern is a step closer to global destruction. and tip toe around the fact.
cybermental 2 months ago
@cybermental privately* ... its around 7am.... i have only just arisen for the day...
cybermental 2 months ago
@cybermental you are breakfast.... *yawn*
cybermental 2 months ago
@cybermental and you are a clear nutjob. *sigh*
PHeMoX 2 months ago
@PHeMoX It is okay, the more you speak the more you display the true essence of the pseudoskeptic..... No firm understanding of science, just comfort in knowing the world can be deced easily with a set of simple rules and equations, you my friend are the lesser amongst us.... the weakminded.
cybermental 2 months ago
@cybermental defined not deced..... ARGHHHHHH. i should be in bed.
cybermental 2 months ago
@cybermental Or in school.
PHeMoX 2 months ago
@PHeMoX no but it resulted in nuclear radioactive fallout.... an increase of radioactive isotopes on the planet, thats fucking genuis aswell isnt it einstein !
cybermental 2 months ago
@cybermental No, but it obviously proves you wrong in that people who develop such bombs would never decide to use them. In other words, the Americans, with their dumb move, proved how the nazi-Germans would quite likely have done the same.
PHeMoX 2 months ago
@PHeMoX for a scientist you assume to much ;) or are you just a pseudo-skeptic as i have suggested ....
cybermental 2 months ago
@PHeMoX regardless you have failed to recognise that speaking of einstein has only proved my point more than i probably could have !!!! and that is that scientific discoveries are withheld and used to concentrate power and wealth .. you claim i have no understanding of science yet you're the ibid !
cybermental 2 months ago
I'm a little conflicted. On one hand the idea that class action law suits can take down companies peddling bs, and on the other we have another score of people who have been fooled by a scam often repeated which preys on familiar logical fallacies, advertising tricks, and so on.
dookiecheez 2 months ago
Did'n't think so, discussion over .... PHeMoX has nothing more to add :) fucking pseudo skeptics.
cybermental 2 months ago
@cybermental I've got plenty to add, but my time is limited and I am not going to waste it on you. You're clearly delusional lol.
In fact, your faulty logic only makes me laugh. I can't take anything you say seriously at all.
PHeMoX 2 months ago
@PHeMoX It isnt difficult to humour the arrogant...... the mentally challenged or highly uneducated amongst us ....
cybermental 2 months ago
@PHeMoX want me to start on what einstein thought about god ..... ?
cybermental 2 months ago
Don't bother, as I'm sure you're wrong about what he thought for sure as it involves the most often abused quote from Einstein. Religious nuts don't understand how someone can be unbiased or think of God as a bigger emotional CONCEPT, entailing much more than a fictional undetectable entity from a book that was obviously made up many centuries ago. He had no opinion on whether an actual God entity must exist and he definitely wasn't actually religious.
PHeMoX 2 months ago
@PHeMoX Einstein said: "I have repeatedly said that in my opinion the idea of a personal God is a childlike one. You may call me an agnostic, but I do not share the crusading spirit of the professional atheist whose fervor is mostly due to a painful act of liberation from the fetters of religious indoctrination received in youth. I prefer an attitude of humility corresponding to the weakness of our intellectual understanding of nature and of our own being." I think he's pretty clear.
PHeMoX 2 months ago
@PHeMoX Lol, how genius, you havent observed your own demise ? Regardless einstein is a perfect example of how science will lead us to the brink of extinction and beyond, you fail, it also proves how corporate interests (military industrial complex) and war governs how scientific discoveries are put to use after documentation ....... In your poor attempt to prove you've read more than 1 book on einstein... you have failed to recognise the failure in your argument.
cybermental 2 months ago
@cybermental Do go ahead and explain which failure that is. Because you clearly fail at proper argumentation of your own very ignorance by stating that I have somehow magically lost this discussion. That's some funny shit. I've merely enlightened you on what Einstein actually said and I did not need to read books for that. Everyone can look it up, but apparently you fail even at such a simple task.
PHeMoX 2 months ago
@PHeMoX Regardless, he believed in god as a force. I'm sure you're atheistic in nature.... regardless regurgitate some useless einstein quote in some vague attempt at substantiating one iota of your discourse because you know your debate is fruitless and naieve.
cybermental 2 months ago
@cybermental No, he was agnostic, he clearly did state so on several occasions.
He argued that while he did not believe in a God entity, that if the concept of God would count as everything that encompasses the universe's extraordinary character, then he would argue that to be 'God' to him. He never specified it as 'force' or ID kind of God.
I do believe that there's no God entity and that God isn't a possibility, but I'd be the first to state otherwise if I'd ever get disproven.
PHeMoX 2 months ago
@PHeMoX I'm very much atheistic when it comes to the Gods of all modern day religions. But I'm agnostic when it comes to what kick-started the coming into existence of all that is and whether or not some kind of entity was responsible. In that sense you could say I am very agnostic.
I don't need a God explanation to see that the world is impressively extraordinary, something religious people often fail to notice. To busy worshiping their fake Gods.
PHeMoX 2 months ago
Don't mistake me for someone believing in Intelligent Design though. I totally do not believe the universe was designed or planned ahead at all.
To me that's just a theory to desperately hold on to the concept of a God, when all kinds of evidence point in different directions.
PHeMoX 2 months ago
@PHeMoX To quote with such confidence ... such a lengthy phrase proves one thing ... you had to research einstein to speak of him. You arent fooling anybody with your blunt incredulity, the first person mentioned when a pseudoskeptic is attempting to carefully guard their very precious belief system is einstein...... you're no exception.
cybermental 2 months ago
@cybermental: Contrary to you who did not research anything, but just boldly go about claiming whatever you like.
Einstein wasn't infallible and there is not one scientist who defines all of science. But apparently Einstein is a favorite target of nutters like you. You brought him up, not me.
PHeMoX 2 months ago
@PheMoX is also something that hurdles the human consciousness of mankind from evolving. Regardless research is stinted by an inability to fund the resources needed to carry out this crucial research for mankind. The crucial research necessary to free mankind from hungry & slavery........... important research ... not just toys for big boys.
cybermental 2 months ago
@cybermental So let me get this straight, you're upset about science, because science actually compliments live as a whole in some areas, making it more pleasureful than it already is? That's nuts. Do you have any idea how much science accomplished already???
Everyone benefits from science, even when some benefit more. That's just the way the cookie crumbles. In fact, without inequality in this world, there would not be any progress possible. But I'm sure you wouldn't understand.
PHeMoX 2 months ago
@PHeMoX He spoke of how peace can not be brought on by war but by understanding.- regardless of how much he knew splitting the atomc could have had bad consequences he was inevitably forced into the position of using his discoveries not for the betterment of mankind but for the military industrial complex and big corpa. This is what i speak of. Important research is funded by corporate interests who can pay to fund the resources needed,compartmentalisation of knowledge for monetary gain.
cybermental 2 months ago
@cybermental Another popular Einstein myth. Einstein understood, like Oppenheimer and the others, that this technology could be used as a weapon from basically day one.
Einstein actually agreed entirely with the idea of building the atom bomb before the Nazi-Germans did (which they inevitably would (or did)). He understood exactly the importance of such a super weapon.
PHeMoX 2 months ago
@PHeMoX Einstein was so bright he agreed to make a device he knew could or even would one day destroy mankind, he regretted it. Dont deny it, he regretted it, he speaks of his regret. CERN super colliders that theoretical physicists have claimed could create a blackhole and consume the earth in less than a nanosecond......... Oh yes, excellant, science has had its almighty hand on the jugular of mankind since the dawn of banking.
cybermental 2 months ago
@cybermental So now you're questioning his genius too? Lol, you are so delusional it's funny. Einstein simply had human emotions encouraging him to pursue the development of the atomic bomb before the Nazi Germans would.
You seem to blame him for being human?
It's striking how you seem to bring up all those doomsday theories and dumb conspiracy theories in an pathetic attempt to bash science as a whole.
What are you trying to prove anyway? Your inability of basic comprehension?
PHeMoX 2 months ago
@PHeMoX You truly have no grasp on this discussion.... not one iota of what i have discussed you have debated intelligently... (or even half-witted may i add) .... Answer this, you can prove my discourse to be valid yourself,,,,,,, answer the few questions if you could ..... "What fuels scientific research?" ........ ($) ..... What governments right now are funding and backing hundred million dollar research projects? .... (honestly...) .....
cybermental 2 months ago
@PHeMoX How many medical breakthroughs have NOT been PURELY by accident. Hell, how many TOTALLY unique and alien technological breakthroughs have been purely discovered after having been EXPECTED?!! if science was so apt at evaluating causality the breakthroughs should be expected....... not surprising!!! and historically they have been unexpected...... !
cybermental 2 months ago
@PHeMoX Regardless $ will direct the future of intensive elaborate laboratory research in a time in which financial stability and advancement is most important.......... In a time where the super powers of the world are fearful because of the instability of such financial systems.....What do you think will occur in the instance i speak of ? .... Obviously research will be undertaken only if the company can use the information gained for their own corporate gains......Simple.
cybermental 2 months ago
@PHeMoX When do goverments pay half a billion dollars or even a hundred million dollars for intense scientific research? ...... They largely dont. What does this mean ? What this means for both you and i is that corporate interests delay the progression of mans understanding of the universe..... of reality.... and subsequently delay the advancement in human consciousness as a whole .... The concentration of wealth will continue as will the secrecy of key lab research of high importance.
cybermental 2 months ago
@cybermental No, you're wrong. Money alone doesn't define the chance of reaching new milestones in scientific research. There are also infact lots of multi-billion projects initiated by governments, often with multiple governments even. Just look at CERN.
Your argument as such is mute. Commerce might have it's way at SOME of the scientific progress, but not as much as you want to believe.
PHeMoX 2 months ago
Human consciousness really has little to do with scientific research. What people do with whatever science figures out, will always be up to them.
Lol, you're a prime example of that unfortunate fact.
PHeMoX 2 months ago
@PHeMoX lol, errr thats the european council, mostly signatories...... How often does that even occur though lol?
cybermental 2 months ago
@cybermntl Many times, it's obvious you never investigated such.
Humor me and do some research into the Federal Funds for Research and Development. Other countries have similar funding. They have literally spend hundreds of billions.
PHeMoX 2 months ago
@PHeMoX its in wikipedia - wiki/CERN#Member_states ! yeah few hundred billion dollars no from individual countries.... from a group of signatories.... cern is predominantly privately funded. !
cybermental 2 months ago
@cybermental not*
cybermental 2 months ago
@cybermental: A few hundred million every year, but regardless. Then to think that CERN is one of many such projects, even if this is rather high-profile. International facilities receive funding from all kinds of sources. It's just how things work on a financial level.
There are plenty of privately funded research projects that compliment science in great ways. So I don't see why you're even making such a fuzz here. I doubt you grasp the significance of any science.
PHeMoX 2 months ago
@PHeMoX Arghhhhhh!!!!!!! stop side-stepping every point i make with ambiguous responses !!!!!
cybermental 2 months ago
@cybermental You know I'm right though. That's what counts.
PHeMoX 2 months ago
Fuck, I love Randi so much. Goddamn shame he should work with science deniers like Penn & Teller.
nosensetoitatall 2 months ago
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I used to keep my balance until I took an arrow to the knee. :(
ColAbernathy 3 months ago
I used to keep my balance until I took an arrow to the knee. :(
ColAbernathy 3 months ago
I was going to work out but I couldn't find my power balance bracelet.
Khyrid 3 months ago
the problem with scientific endeavours is simple - $. Major key scientific research is performed solely in laboratories funded by those wishing to distill such secrets for their own monetary gain ... yes, the destruction of mankind ... viva la science ...... I guess there's honesty in the field somewhere though? Even when experiments are designed to meet particular hypothesis and are funded in such a way-uhhuh-Science is good for "toys for big boys".measurement/experimentation/causal effects
cybermental 3 months ago
@cybermental Right. The whole reason people are researching medicine is to destroy mankind. :O /sarcasm You're clearly delusional.
PHeMoX 3 months ago
@PHeMoX Oh yes i suggest this dont i einstein, this is the problem with you "pseudo-skeptics" ..... you know nothing of science. haha
cybermental 2 months ago
@cybermental I know nothing of science? Funny seeing how much ridiculous videos ended up in your favorites on YT and the strange comments you make. Seems you're all about conspiracy theories, aliens, government cover-ups, religious nuttiness. The world would easily be better off without that crap. There's a difference between building a conspiracy theory and finding out what's actual truth. I think you got stuck in your 'altered state of perception' somewhere down the road.
PHeMoX 2 months ago
@PHeMoX Not really, i'm simply making the obvious point that science is good for evaluating causal effects, experimentation and measurement. How come historically, all major breakthroughs in the medical world have been ... wait for it .... wait for it ..... an accident. Yes an accident. In science heisenmann's uncertainty principal states that most scientific theories cant be proven without a smidgen of doubt. I am not a conspiracy theorist nut, as you suggest.
cybermental 2 months ago
@cybermental Then you do not understand science and it's place in society as a whole at all! It's not only the best we've got, it's the only thing we've got. Science doesn't deal in absolutes if that's what you're suggesting, the world we're living in is one big relativistic bunch of 'problems'. Science as such does deal with paradigms, but the great part about science is that they do dare adapt and change views all the time. Contrary to say,...oh there we go again, religion.
PHeMoX 2 months ago
@PHeMoX I just understand .... in mankinds infancy our best model at describing or understanding the fabric of reality may be with scientific models, regardless, the earth was once flat, the scientific materialist paradigm of reductionist logic that has been around for atleast 700 years is only that, a model... and yes most pharmaceuticals in use today ... wait for it wait for it .... WILL not be deemed safe in 100 years, look at history, this has been so since the dawn of medicine..
cybermental 2 months ago
@cybermental Lol, that's not even correct. The 'flat world' idea came from the bible and has been a 15th century hoax, it's among the witch hunt craziness of the Dark Ages and before. Modern science has nothing to do with that. In fact, there have always been a lot of civilizations who did understand that the earth could never be flat. Mayans, Ancient Egyptians and so on. If it weren't for religion, that knowledge would never have been 'messed with'.
PHeMoX 2 months ago
@PHeMoX As i have suggested, the conditions of experiments can be designed in such a way as to attain the desired outcome (having validated their desired hypothesis), yes.... The problem is that scientific research is performed in labs that are solely funded by corporate interests. In this sense secrets are valuable $...... regardless, science is good for a weak model that is only as accurate as the language used to describe the models themselves. We are in our infancy as a race
cybermental 2 months ago
@cybermental You're confusing the everyday marketing and commerce we deal with, with the actual science and the scientific method every other sentence you write there. It's not the same thing at all.
A lab doesn't have to be independent or unbiased even to do proper research. If need be, other scientists can replicate the experiments for confirmation. This happens literally all the time.
Science's legitimacy as such is entirely self-explanatory. It's the sum of all parts.
PHeMoX 2 months ago
It's like Einstein said; “If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough”.
Same is true for your logical fallacy. Science as a means of describing our world works fine, even when there's still a lot lot lot left to discover and understand better.
PHeMoX 2 months ago
@PHeMoX Your argument is mute, you have taken everything out of context.... the scientific research necessary to send mankind as a whole into space and beyond, and the technologies needed to truly save mankind from hunger and slavery exists in the hands of those funding elaborate scientific research into key fields.So you can not seperate the $ from science because most lab work performed and most discovered performed are under the scrutiny of companies with purely corporate interests.
cybermental 2 months ago
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cybermental 2 months ago
@cybermental TYPO (I have not proofread a thing) So you can not seperate the $ from science because most lab work performed and most discoveries have been perpetuated under the scrutiny of companies with purely corporate interests. **
cybermental 2 months ago
@PHeMoX This is what amuses me about you folk, you sit around the shrine of deceased theoretical predecessors like einstein never having probably read any of his material and regurgitate some ridiculously absurd and ambiguous quote of his having never realised the very quotes he spoke completely backup what i have spoke of in this conversation-You know what einstein said about traditional educational traditional studies in science?
cybermental 2 months ago
@cybermental The only thing that interferes with my learning is my education. He often joked about how his absence from college to learn science would have illuminated him to the point of "genius". He also spoke of how imagination is more important than knowledge, thats a famous one, im sure you remember that also? .... Regardless im glad you mention einstein... I can make my point more easily digestible for your feeble mind.
cybermental 2 months ago
@PHeMoX Science's allmighty omnipotent arrogance so far has led us into a deeper hole that humanity has to attempt to find comfort in ....... When really these models are so infantile that they will sound absurd in a few hundred years ..... as for legion, i'm not suggesting i believe power balance works. I am suggesting that the world is stranger than we CAN suppose and that the fabric of reality, the universe is not reducible so simply, with such a mundane set of general laws.
cybermental 2 months ago
@PHeMoX As for your discourse regarding conspiracy theorist antics and videos i watch on youtube..... I dont believe anything because to believe wholeheartedly in something is to shed one of humankinds only true liberties, to do so is to automatically preclude the polar-opposite belief as a valid option.... this is self-limiting ..... Instead i like to keep an openmind...
cybermental 2 months ago
@PHeMoX regardless if everything i have on my favourites in conspiracy theorist in nature -explain crop circles-with your weak scientific models-i ask those within scientific research fields to disprove crop circles("Anatomical anomalies in crop formation plants", WC Levengood, Physiologia Plantarum, Volume 92, Issue 2, pages 356–363, October 1994) -research the rockefeller funded crop circle study, many professors partook in the study they could not replicate what they had discovered.
cybermental 2 months ago
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cybermental 2 months ago
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@PHeMoX All i am suggesting is that you should not be so certain in concluding personal investigations...... that the universe is not just as strange as we suppose it is ... that it could just be stranger than we CAN suppose..... Scientific models are more a model of the advancement of human consciousness & the human mind and not so much an a universe consisting of extremely complex system of complex systems that is nature, the universe and so forth-Principia discordia ad infinitum.
cybermental 2 months ago
@PHeMoX What annoys me of skeptics such as yourself is that you have no formal education in any field of science whatsoever, yet you claim it has such omnipotent powers of discernment.... hahaha, regardless in retrospect a 2 year education will not give one the ability to understand the true fabric of nature. (A degree qualification) and yes, I just finished studying a theoretical sciences course at university...... So i know something of what i speaketh.
cybermental 2 months ago
@PHeMoX on a side-note, sorry about the minor typos .... "an" = "of" and other minor typos, I am human and it is early in the a.m ...... Mahalos' (May you be in the divine blessings of the gods) ... hah..
cybermental 2 months ago
@cybermental oh as for the religious nut comment (as you have suggested i am)-I am not at all religious lol. You see here's the problem in science-you take an observation, identify in your observations that of which i say that you find incredulous which is purely limited by your understanding of reality based on your own personal "reality-tunnel" thought construct and then through reduction attempt to attain that of which you really just assume i am .(a conspiracy theorist) ironic?
cybermental 2 months ago
@cybermental - Are you saying Power Balance works for real?
LegionarioCruel 2 months ago
the Epic Beard Man has nothing on Randi ;-P
tomaf 3 months ago
I was chocked how many people around me have one of these "powerbalance".
Including a few engineering students.
wybo2 3 months ago
Dear Randi , would love to see you talk about self-help 'GURU'S' like anthony robbins and others and The Secret.... which i believe is a bunch of nonsense.. but this sells like hot cakes in the world.. misleading so many innocent people.. Thank you in advance..
OOhhhYeahh100 3 months ago
Thank you for exposing these frauds. Unfortunately many of these guys already have the money and spent it. Money that can never go back to the poor souls who were fooled.
alawaiman 3 months ago
The reason you can't remember where you put your power balance is because you weren't WEARING your power balance!
papacarpenter 3 months ago
For entertainment purposes only.
ozweblogs 3 months ago
Power Balance works great. Mine has increased my performance, and balance. There is some fine tuning to be done. My first bracelet left me lopsided somewhat, so I added another one to my other wrist. Which pretty much left me where I started from. So by adding more and more bracelets to each arm, I was finally able to achieve perfect balance. It's sort of difficult to move now, but at least when I fall down, I spring back up. Almost bounce. And at $30 a shot (x74 in my case) it's a bargin.
ravenslaves 3 months ago
@ravenslaves - LOL
LegionarioCruel 2 months ago
This guy reminds me of Leonard off The Big Bang Theory.
DrToonhattan 3 months ago
As long as we have sociopaths and marked economics that make it profitable to lie we will have scamming like this. Either get rid of the sociopaths or the system supporting their behavior. I vote for the latter.
karakzanreal 3 months ago
Peter Parker should not be a sceptic!
JonisKanonis 3 months ago
it makes a great cock ring tho... haha
tt247jer 3 months ago
I made the point that MOST ADVERTISING IS FALSE even on the psychological level. Advertising is meant to trigger an EMOTIONAL response. I ALSO said no one forced them to BUY this crap. My point was why pick on this particular company who's products do ABSOLUTELY NOTHING and can therefore DO ABSOLUTELY NO HARM? If the problem is with the advertising, then why not (as in the case of cigarets & alcohol) just change the advertising?
hardinmichael1981 3 months ago
@hardinmichael1981 " MOST ADVERTISING IS FALSE" this is no true. Advertainsing can be exagerate but not be false. Some of them are trully false but is not the majority. Even if that bracelet DO NO HARM they are SCAM. They are selling a overpriced product with no effect to people who think it have an effect, and is ilegal.
shadowmax889 3 months ago
@hardinmichael1981 Because while the trinkets themselves do no harm, the situation is very harmful. The problem is with a company putting out a product and lying about its efficacy and gullible people buying it. The LEAST of the problems is wasting one's money. It gets worse from there, people with real problems ignoring real treatment for this kind of crap etc.
dangerics 3 months ago
lookin good Randi!
turnagainoutlaw 3 months ago
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@myjizzureye I think I speak for space cadets everywhere when I say I am terribly offended!
InvincibleIronyMan 3 months ago
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@myjizzureye I think I speak for space cadets everywhere when I say I am terribly offended!
InvincibleIronyMan 3 months ago
@myjizzureye I think I speak for space cadets everywhere when I say I am terribly offended!
InvincibleIronyMan 3 months ago
Only the mentally unbalanced believe in such woo-woo.
astrophonix 3 months ago
I never fall for this rubbish, I remember seeing it on the tv multiple times, and I'm amazed that people even buy into that type of thing.. =P
appleloveTK 3 months ago
Selling lucky stones £25 each.
Nashy119 3 months ago
What do you think of herbal energy drinks? I have a prof. who is trying to convince us to either buy them or sell them ourselves so we can talk other people into buying or selling them.
kwill81 3 months ago
You can buy one from Amazon Marketplace for $.01. Guess someone was disillusioned by the supposed power of this fancy piece of jewelry.
Cissy2cute 3 months ago
My uncle tried to get me to buy a power bracelet, I played along just to be nice, but what a crock of shit lol.
brmadman4455 3 months ago
They still sell Power Balance on the website
anzwertree 3 months ago
I ran into sales persons of the power-balance, I walked up to him and started yelling and ranting: SNAKEOIL!!! THEY ARE SELLING YOU SNAKEOIL!!! not everybody knew what snake oil is and my comment fell mostly on deaf ears.
ImmortalMojo 3 months ago