Jay Rosen of PressThink.org Explains Fox News to You

[momshomecooked]

"pressthink"

sorry.

[momshomecooked]

people who enjoy Rosen and his fine work on Pressthing will enjoy this. he gives his opinion - he sources books he's read etc...

people in the comments who DON'T enjoy Rosen apparantly have nothing better to do than bogart his comments section as though this somehow makes them big, strong cavemen. ug.

I think the cavemen's clubs go bang because his reasoning is very sound.

[AVMamfortas]

Sir, I would not buy a used car from you. You are insufficiently convincing even when you do not sneer.

[Niobium2000]

Jay Rosen has Fox derangement syndrome.

[brothamouzoune]

One additional point: Preconcievated narratives are really everywhere. I'm surprised you don't acknowledge this fact at all in your video. You seem to pine for some utopian objectivity that really doesn't exist in Journalism anymore. Now I'm NOT saying FoxNews shouldn't be criticized because it willingly misleads people, but you seem to be holding the magnifying glass close on only one news organization, when they're all guilty of the same thing. Fox is just the best at it.

[gmakepiece]

@brothamouzoune Er, here goes. "Preconcievated narratives"..Er, preconceived junk. Academic thesis cliche. Vague generality to point of utterly meaningless. Can be applied to everything & nothing. Yes, they're "everywhere". Like say dentistry, plumbing & the combustion engine. Oh, you mean Marxist critical theory university mutual onanism again. Got it.

[gmakepiece]

@brothamouzoune Yes, so he should acknowledge er, everything or nothing exactly? Then a strawman. He "pines" only for another drink & a new way 2 make a witless dissonant bog standard off the mark left liberal logical fallacy stream of drivel attack on Fox, largely in absentia of having watched it much or a focus on an actual deliberate point of error & his own er, brilliant counter evidence. My advice is use more ice, pal. Post a "willingly misleads" as policy contra say the NYT's or CNN etc

[gmakepiece]

@brothamouzoune "Fox is just the best at it". Balls, and you know it. CNN, NYT's, Time & much of the rest of the Marxist sodden left liberal MSM are DYING, precisecly because FOX is ironically "the best" out of all the networks. That's why the left put so much cognitive dissonant time into hating a er, cable channel! Name an outstanding person on or invited to CNN MSNBC et al. There are virtually none. Robert Spencer, Hirsi Ali, Mark Steyn, VIctor Davis Hanson & so many more go 2 Fox.

[brothamouzoune]

A distinction you ought to make: This "essence of myth" that you speak about is not exclusive to Fox News. Coherent narratives in which individual news stories are just pieces of the larger puzzle exist everywhere. Think of DemocracyNow, most of their stories are selected to portray a specific worldview, in this case, that America is an imperial hegemonic power. Is this narrative anymore a myth than the "liberal elite ruling our lives"?

[gmakepiece]

@brothamouzoune Dear Professor Cognitive Dissonant Logical Fallacy, your laughable "attempt". You fail utterly. Ignorant embarrassing and unbearably absurd academic liberal blather . Surely a random generated thesis parody? No, really. Oh Christ, even the "insert reference here said.." cliche! You are as they say, a phony talentless unoriginal twerp. Toodle ooh.

[brothamouzoune]

@gmakepiece Hahaha. Best comment I've seen in awhile. If you weren't an idiot you'd realize I was arguing against Rosen and citing the double-standards he holds against Fox and for the Liberal media. Next time actually use your brain and read what people have posted, rather than blathering about god knows what. I'll take my "academic speak" any day over what you just posted - which was a laughable attempt at coherent english.

[gmakepiece]

@brothamouzoune Of course you were. Er, no. Interestingly, I got you to finally speak plainly and have a little rest from your "academia speak" wank. Now you have rested your writing wrist, please, carry on. Ya fulla witless humourless second hand crap, kid and you know it. And yet you project "balthering" onto others. Five stars then. Tooodle ooh, twerpy bore. Pure onanistic on campus gold.

[brothamouzoune]

@gmakepiece Okay. This should be fun. What do you take issue with in my original two comments? (Hint: you won't be able to respond because anything that you don't understand or don't agree with you immediately chalk up to 'lefty academic commie talk'.

Come on buddy, lets see ya put your noggin' to work.

[gmakepiece]

@brothamouzoune You rather ironically twerped that "Best comment I've seen in awhile." Yep, mine often are. Thanks, ya big lug. No, really. Colonel Robert Neville blogspot com. thepeoplescube com iowahawk typepad com zombietime com PJTV com jihadwatch org breitbart com michellemalkin com steynonline com lookingatheleft com Tim Blair blog Daily Telegraph ANdrew Bolt blog Herald Sun dissectleft blogspot com atlasshrugs2000 typepad com memritv org thereligionofpeace com

[gmakepiece]

@brothamouzoune What part did you disingenuously say you couldn't comprehend. Perhaps I could guide you in plain non phony speak. Unless of course you are an academic, then no one can help you. Some things are so stupid that only an academic can believe them. Are you one of er, THEM?

[brothamouzoune]

@gmakepiece No. I asked you what parts of my comments you took issue with. Are you so thick in the head that you thought I was saying I didn't understand your comments? My god, the stupidity of the human race never ceases to amaze.

[gmakepiece]

@brothamouzoune Dear "thick", you drivelled that "the stupidity of the human race never ceases to amaze." So "the human race" is stupid except for er, you. How convenient. How er, academic. We bow down to your undergraduate genius and charm. "This should be fun?" Er, but you're a humourless lefty twerp, fluffy boy. So ipso facto you are laughable fun for all. Please, more unoriginal pure gold. I know ya can...

[gmakepiece]

@brothamouzoune U boobed that "This "essence of myth" that U speak about is not... Coherent narratives in which individual news stories are just pieces of the larger puzzle.." ad nauseum. Classic fake moral equivalence set up that goes all circular just to attack a conservative strawman. Left liberals cannot help themselves. "Academic speak" was designed from Marxist critical theory in order to explain away & avoid any fact & to remain etrnally tenured while doing absolutely nothing of worth.

[gmakepiece]

@brothamouzoune You disingenuously drivelled, unless you ARE that cognitive dissonant that "..a myth than the "liberal elite ruling our lives"? I'm sorry, but are you saying that the MSM, govt media & institutions, academia, entertainment, Hollywood, the arts, music & ecofascist environmentalism is not bursting with Marxist global warming scam gravy train riding carpetbaggers & other left liberal socialist variations?! Good luck with that & the rest of your laughable embarrassing uber lies.

[howsthefam]

Great video. Wonderful impressions, I'm subscribing. An aside: Limbaugh was ranting about Dancing With The Stars! And how righteously the Palin daughter's ascendency has been on the show because the mighty conservative juggernaut in her audience has vanquished the liberal media elite by keeping her in the contest. yada yada yada. Unbelievable stuff.

[rockdots]

That is, "Fair and Balanced" is of a piece with Limbaugh's braggadocio. Another aspect of "Fair and Balanced" is that they know that this drives the liberals nuts, which to them is an end in and of itself. Every time it's uttered, a hippie gets kicked in the nuts, and providing a small measure of vengeance for their whole list of resentments.

[rockdots]

Have to disagree with the last point about "lack of confidence." It's really the opposite: Ailes is so sure of his viewers' loyalty to the Fox narrative that he's created a tag line which basically dares his opponents to "disprove" it. But it can't be disproved: the believers really believe, and people who say otherwise have simply identified themselves as members of the "elite" that Fox targets. Their opinions can be discounted. It's similar to Rush's brag: "talent on loan from God."

[jjoplin69]

“Fox News: We alter reality. You are sold a preconceived narrative.” .... by blonds. Lots and lots of blonds.

[zennie62]

You have to use the "annotations" to link to related videos or to write descriptions. Worth experimenting with.

[insidecablenews]

I don't think you made a convincing argument about O'Reilly's paranoia dating back to his Inside Edition days. I don't recall Inside Edition having tons of media scorn heaped upon it when O'Reilly was there. That honor went to Maury Povich and A Current Affair. I think O'Reilly's paranoia, if it does exist, probably has many fathers.

[carpenterale]

Recently I have been thinking of the metaphor of a parent trying to wrap his or her mind around an unruly teen. Intellectually-minded people theorize about culture to enact controlling discourses. Fox-style political Conservativism and its best friends in the Tea Party and the GOP act in a way that constantly emotionally spins away from discourse and deploys its anti-elitism as an always, already present subversion of any mainstream critique.

[carpenterale]

The bailouts are a center-right idea, and by saying to the Dems, "I know that you bail out "the monetary machine" but what am I?, the Tea Party has been able to champion populism within the very structure that protects Wall Street, banks, corporations, and tax cuts for multi-millionaires.

[carpenterale]

"Resentment news". . .that's a good working theory. I'm not sure I buy the Inside Edition stuff, but Rosen's deployment of Barthes' "many signifiers, one signified" fits with how I see Fox News performing one act across many, many shows. I'm not sure about the reading of the ubiquitous blonds - but Glenn Beck fits into that category. The wikipedia article on blond is actually pretty interesting.

[raynetoday]

I'm with AaronBenjBrown, that's accurate and funny. Ought to be Fox's new tagline: "Fox News: More Blonds per Square Foot!"

If only they were going for more news per square foot...

[stevegarfield]

Try putting in a URL without the HTML.

[jayrosennyu]

Thanks, @emahlee. I have yet to figure out how to add links to my descriptions and framing of videos. YouTube doesn't seem to like that.

[meisemahlee]

Oh, and I forgot to say that you know me as @emahlee on Twitter. G'night! :)

[meisemahlee]

Off topic, but still hilarious. The flip out video reminded me of another Bill O'Reilly YouTube video that makes me crack up every time I see it. "Bill O'Reilly Interviews the "I Like Turtles" Kid."

(I originally tried to post my content in one longer comment, but even though I was within character limit, it wouldn't let me.)

Also, in the "description" section, I suggest posting a link to your first video (you mention it in this video), your Twitter handle (@jayrosen_nyu) and blog.

[meisemahlee]

Case in point: his flip out on Inside Edition: [apparently, YouTube doesn't like URLs in comments - even their own! Google "Bill O'Reilly flips out." Dance remix is also good - and funny!]

[meisemahlee]

[Ok, this is super frustrating. You tube keeps giving me an "Error, try again" message when I try and post my comment. Trying to post URLs to two O'Reilly videos.]

[meisemahlee]

One thing: I think Bill O'Reilly is, as you describe, someone with a lot of "resentment" - but he is so generally speaking. I don't think he needs to "tap into" resentment from earlier in his career.

[meisemahlee]

Jay, appreciate your willingness to try out ideas you're still exploring. Both of your videos so far have been very helpful. Thank you.

[AaronBenjBrown]

you tell em Jay, "more blonds per square foot" ha. Thanks for doing these.