@captainsoul1953 Agreed about being better without strings-only George Martin managed to mìx strings and rock. This is hypnotically ...........ummm hypnotic.
@captainsoul1953 Chris may be doubling Roger, Gene Clark style. But the voices that really pierce out are Roger's and Crosby's harmony. This album had this beautiful "dirge"-y, drone-y feel around that D chord, and their harmonies augmented that, making "Fifth Dimension" sound like was recorded by monks or aliens.
I personally like the strings, but it's also good to hear just the band - it gives hope to those cover bands who can now figure out how to pull it off live without strings. Re. the comments on McGuinn's lapses in musical judgement: Don't blame him for Byrdmaniax, it was Terry Melcher who overdubbed the orchestration after the fact (Godawful! Byrds and Dixieland don't mix well).
First time I've ever heard this vers., thanks! Interesting, I'm from Santa Cruz, live in N.Y.S., and I've been to Scotland, and most versions remind me of Scotland, but this version makes me think of northern California much more.
Nice to hear this version, but I prefer the string accompaniment. Also, what is so wrong with "Oh! Susannah"? Loved it in '65 and still love it today. "Mind Gardens", in my humble opinion, was the worst Byrds track of all time.
Thought it was a weak track on an otherwise very strong album especially as they left of She Dont Care About Time...dont hate it but i rarely play it...very eclectic band the Byrds....i love Mind Gardens but i know a lot of people hate
And funnily enough it was McGuinn who described Triad as just tasteless when he talked about the real reasons for rejecting it. But McGuinn's stunts and little conventions make you see where Crosby was coming from. He was right when he said putting another Dylan cover on Younger than Yesterday was formulaic and dumb. (His words not mine.) McGuinn's problem was he let the teckie/academic side of him get going and musical disaster followed as surely as Mind Gardens follows Thought And Words.
How about no 242 foxtrot period...i lke the voices on cta102 and the phasing on Wasnt born to follow but i think Lay lady lay is a crap version anyway though there is a version of it without the choir
Other Byrd crimes for me are the hopeless Hey Joe..Oh Susannah and Wait and see...Moog Raga...and quite a lot of Byrdmaniax..but i love Mind gardens which most Byrd fans seem to hate
Agree about Rogers quality control...shocking lapse of taste on many occasions
@captainsoul1953 Agree with all you say (except I love the strings on Wild Mountain Thyme-they are nicely arranged in a 'Highland' feel I think).Moog Raga wasn't really anything more than an experiment but is nevertheless shite.Hey Joe chews ass and the lyrics for 'Wait And See' are the worst of their career (and this from a band who had song lyrics about wanting to marry a horse!).I worship at the church of Crosby but Mind Gardens is him trying too hard to be clever and deep and is neither.
No, Jim, the trauma goes too deep. How about 2-4-2 Foxtrot without the vacuum cleaner, CTA 102 without the silly voices, Wasn't Born to follow without the phasing, Lay, lady, lay without the gospel choir? The list of McGuinn's idiocies is long and painful.
I'm used to hearing this in 3/4 time so it sounds odd. :?
sandinmyears1 6 months ago
this is one of my all time fave songs and as much as i like this version u cant beat the silencers.
kattitude121 10 months ago
aye, what a bonnie song
sdae102 11 months ago
Oaye.
TheDiarmaidable 1 year ago
great song
shaneh1983 1 year ago
Yeh....58 years....and they want to vote Republican again. Well boys, we have made it this far.
jnsii 1 year ago
GREAT THE BYRDS
oldtones 1 year ago
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Nothing like a Rick 360/12.
jpavlvs 1 year ago
Nothing like a Rick 360/12
jpavlvs 1 year ago
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jpavlvs 1 year ago
Nice. After all those years it's - very nice. :-)
rufsitufs 1 year ago
That's definately Jim singing in the forefront, or his evil twin Roger, with Crosby lurking on the fringes in the back.
harvey1954 1 year ago
The early Byrds were a truly magical group. One of my favourite songs is "Chimes of Freedom".
Sarahfreckle 2 years ago 2
Captainsoul1953- Is Chris singing on this song?
hiwayjack 2 years ago
hiwayjack
i think so...Chris did step up to the mike after Gene Clark left
Jim
captainsoul1953 2 years ago
@captainsoul1953 Agreed about being better without strings-only George Martin managed to mìx strings and rock. This is hypnotically ...........ummm hypnotic.
gibb253 1 year ago
@captainsoul1953 Chris may be doubling Roger, Gene Clark style. But the voices that really pierce out are Roger's and Crosby's harmony. This album had this beautiful "dirge"-y, drone-y feel around that D chord, and their harmonies augmented that, making "Fifth Dimension" sound like was recorded by monks or aliens.
Dukegrievousangel 8 months ago
Try wild mountain thyme by don williams. Backed by the Chieftains, a great version.
hbdavew 2 years ago
I personally like the strings, but it's also good to hear just the band - it gives hope to those cover bands who can now figure out how to pull it off live without strings. Re. the comments on McGuinn's lapses in musical judgement: Don't blame him for Byrdmaniax, it was Terry Melcher who overdubbed the orchestration after the fact (Godawful! Byrds and Dixieland don't mix well).
russallert 2 years ago
First time I've ever heard this vers., thanks! Interesting, I'm from Santa Cruz, live in N.Y.S., and I've been to Scotland, and most versions remind me of Scotland, but this version makes me think of northern California much more.
mowgli2071 2 years ago
I, too, like "Space Odyssey".
captainfairfield 2 years ago
Nice to hear this version, but I prefer the string accompaniment. Also, what is so wrong with "Oh! Susannah"? Loved it in '65 and still love it today. "Mind Gardens", in my humble opinion, was the worst Byrds track of all time.
captainfairfield 2 years ago 7
Thought it was a weak track on an otherwise very strong album especially as they left of She Dont Care About Time...dont hate it but i rarely play it...very eclectic band the Byrds....i love Mind Gardens but i know a lot of people hate
it.......i also like Space Odyssey...sad but true
Jim
captainsoul1953 2 years ago
sadly i have to agree with captainfairfield about mind gardens, but i'm a big byrds fan
redsoxfan713 2 years ago
And funnily enough it was McGuinn who described Triad as just tasteless when he talked about the real reasons for rejecting it. But McGuinn's stunts and little conventions make you see where Crosby was coming from. He was right when he said putting another Dylan cover on Younger than Yesterday was formulaic and dumb. (His words not mine.) McGuinn's problem was he let the teckie/academic side of him get going and musical disaster followed as surely as Mind Gardens follows Thought And Words.
tfmuch 2 years ago
tfmuch
How about no 242 foxtrot period...i lke the voices on cta102 and the phasing on Wasnt born to follow but i think Lay lady lay is a crap version anyway though there is a version of it without the choir
Other Byrd crimes for me are the hopeless Hey Joe..Oh Susannah and Wait and see...Moog Raga...and quite a lot of Byrdmaniax..but i love Mind gardens which most Byrd fans seem to hate
Agree about Rogers quality control...shocking lapse of taste on many occasions
Jim
captainsoul1953 2 years ago
@captainsoul1953 Agree with all you say (except I love the strings on Wild Mountain Thyme-they are nicely arranged in a 'Highland' feel I think).Moog Raga wasn't really anything more than an experiment but is nevertheless shite.Hey Joe chews ass and the lyrics for 'Wait And See' are the worst of their career (and this from a band who had song lyrics about wanting to marry a horse!).I worship at the church of Crosby but Mind Gardens is him trying too hard to be clever and deep and is neither.
RodCow 1 year ago
No, Jim, the trauma goes too deep. How about 2-4-2 Foxtrot without the vacuum cleaner, CTA 102 without the silly voices, Wasn't Born to follow without the phasing, Lay, lady, lay without the gospel choir? The list of McGuinn's idiocies is long and painful.
tfmuch 2 years ago
tfmuch
Time is a great healer..also have John Riley without the strings..will post soon
Jim
captainsoul1953 2 years ago
I've been waiting forty years to get rid of those strings but I can still hear them in my head. Anything else you can do?
tfmuch 2 years ago
you are 100% right-had never this without strings- this is beautiful.
maida1982a 2 years ago
its alternate versions from the 5D album...all of which seem to be unique to this record..and its not cheap
Jim
captainsoul1953 2 years ago
rubiemonster
Its from a 10 inch double vinyl album titled Another Dimension from Sundazed records...have a look on Amazon..but not out on cd unfortunately
Jim
captainsoul1953 2 years ago
any idea where I can find this, or what compilation it came from?
rubiemonster 2 years ago
read my mind man, thanks!
rubiemonster 3 years ago
Amen... wonderful.
fiddlerfart 3 years ago