'Judeo-Christian' is a bogus concept. It's a propaganda term probably coined by parties wishing westerners feel they should automatically identify with Israel. There is virtually noting in the Koran that is not in the Old Testament. Judeo-islamic or Christo-Islamic would be equally valid terms. Islam believes in Jesus as a virgin-born prophet and rejects the idea of a chosen people, two factors that make it more like Christianity than Judaism.
This argument is untenable. Jewish Talmudic argumentation, analogy, etc - was incorporated into Common Law legal reasoning.
While I accept the vast majority of Hitchens's arguments - your argument is not an extension of his. You ought to examine more than the Torah and other relics of Judaic insanity and refer to the Haskalah.
As an atheist anti-theists, I have no dog in this fight. However, your argument here is unsupported by evidence; you ought to seriously reconsider it.
@MartinJWillett I would, of course, agree that such an assertion is absurd - I never said any such thing.
I said that Talmudic analogy and method of argument made its way into the Common Law.
How you interpreted that as an "idea that Jews invented analogy and arguing" is beyond me.
However, based on what I know about you, the presumption is that this was a good faith misunderstanding. As such, I will simply clarify that no, I did not argue that point.
@EgoNamahaNemoRex It is an assertion which requires evidence. Lots of evidence. Is arguing using analogy rare? When did it come into western law or was it always there? If it was introduced who introduced it? If it was introduced was it recognized as a new thing? If it was recognized as something new was it recognized as something which was good because it was Jewish? Have you got any evidence for this from people who are neither Jews nor people with a need to suck up to them?
@MartinJWillett further, I do want to also clear up any doubt (if any exists): I quite like your videos and most of your arguments. I'm not trying to be adversarial or rude - I'm simply disagreeing... rather strongly.
Please don't take it the wrong way, as I appreciate the effort you put into your (mostly) well thought out and very compelling arguments.
In fact the oposite is thrue the whole morality of Europe is based on ten comandmens of the God of Israel.Don't lie,don't kill this were unknown principes in barbaric Europe.Even further Christianity itself is a Jewish phylosopy created by Jews for Jews and later spread to gentiles.Before Judaization,Europeans used to sacrifice their own children for fallse gods,to endorse homosexuality and sex with animals,they lived and died withouth morality
Christianity and Judaism are both Jewish ideologies.Judaism is a more ancient form of Jewish phylosopy while Paul Christianity is updated form of the same.Even wrritings originated from the Land Of Israel as Proto-Sinaic, Paleo-Hebrew-Phonecian wrriting is the ancestor of all alphabets.From Monotheism,to internet,most of antibiotics,vaccines and thousands of other invantion the Jewish contribution to Western Civilization is let say-more than huge.
.The main point of my argument is that Paul's Christianity as know today is not an european ideology.It is part of Jewish phylosopy which existed centuries before Jeshua. This system of Hebrew metaphysics had no precedent in prior or contemporaneous pagan thought, but it did resonate with certain trends in later Greek thought.
It was Philo Judaeus, a leader of Alexandrian Jewry who began the synthesis of Hebrew and Greek thought (the latter primarily Platonic, but with some Aristotelian, Pythagorean, and Stoic elements).
The Jewish Bible was the first ever known universal constitution..The spirit of Christian Bible reflects the later stage of Jewish phylosopy with more philantropistic and human elements.When Europe converted itself to Pual's christianity it judaized itself as well.
@Tomislavv2 None of that is relevant. If you make a further addition which does not address the content of the video I will delete all your tangential comments.
After getting over the mental disturbed feeling I had because i like BBQ pork my self. I quickly pondered that these Judao/Muslim eating practices and laws may have a connection to cannibalism. Also in Homer tells us of Odysseus men were turned into pigs, and Odysseus telling his other men not to eat the pigs. Another pig human connection...Homer was certainly was trying to tell us something here.
A bit off topic, but you know how one thought leads to another.
Regarding the cannibalism bit. I can not recollect if it was in a book about the peoples of "Papua New Guinea," authored by a WW British retired officer, or a BBC documentary on some of the tribes in deep highland areas of Papua New Guinea. British introduced animal husbandry to the tribes in order to ween them off cannibalism. Puapa preferred to raise pork, & the most disturbing thing stated by the tribes people was, that their elders compared pork to the taste of human flesh!!!
In America, the only one talking about Judeo Christian values are Christians trying to hammer through their agendas by making them seem more inclusive than they actually are. For example their war against homosexual equality often carries the label "Judeo-Christian" but Jews overwhelmingly support equal rights for homosexuals. Jeff Dee did a whole show on this about a year ago.
I just have to say, at 10:05 you say Abraham was asked by god to sacrifice his first-born son, but that's incorrect, Isaac was his second son, his first son was Ishmael.
@bastastop2010 The Romans mainly got their culture from the Greeks. There is also a lot of evidence which suggests that people like the Celts were actually far more civilised and cultured than previously thought.
I mentioned the Roman because not only their civilization lasted more than 1000 years but also their borders were wide expanded and covered a big part of Europe till the Hadrian's Wall. And indeed the Archaic (Greece) Greeks was much more developed than the Jews communities who already existed at that time
@BurnEmDown1 "Take your son, your only son Isaac, whom you love, and go to the land of Moriah, and offer him there as a burnt offering upon one of the mountains of which I shall tell you." (Gen. 22:1-2) Only son...
It's no good saying Wilders is wrong without giving an alternative. Wilders is a politician he is trying to build the broadest alliance he can. The reason why he says Judeo-Christian is the same reason the EDL wave the Israeli flag - to scare off the racists. He also adds the humanist tag just as the EDL have a womens and a Gay division.
If someone can come up with a better political tag I'd like to hear it.
@DontBendOverForAllah Wilders is a politician and he has to say things that seem right for the audience he seeks to impress. I am more free to tell people what I actually believe. I don't know if he believes that he is being dishonest. It is not my concern. I tell the truth as I see it.
@MartinJWillett am not saying your video is wrong in fact a lot of Jews in Israel are reverting to type, living off the dole having 10 kids...etc so I agree on your main point that it was Europe that reformed Judaism not the other way round and it is good that atheists criticise Judaism once in a while. My criticism of Judaism is that concessions on Kosher meat, male circumcision and Beth Din courts in the UK have been a self defeating Trogon Horse for Islam.
@DontBendOverForAllah The political reason the the Judeo bit is anti-racism, the justification would be the 10 commandments. Islam has the opposite thou shalt lie, murder, rape, steal. Of course there are more than 10 commandments and some are pretty crap but Potholer54 recently referred to th 9th commandment in taking on creationists, it's part of our culture
I'm genuinely interested if someone can come up with a better position for Wilders to adopt.
Also, the Romans were in Europe far before the christians and had a better society. Christianity was not a part in progressing in Europe to my knowledge.
@Aresftfun Christianity did not move civilization, especially in the material sense, forward much itself but it did create a better base for civilization to be built upon. It prepared the soil well. Christianity created a world with separate political and religious authority and a community of individuals who had a sense of their individuality and individual destiny, responsibility and relationship with God. It was NOT the engine of progress, but good vehicles need more than just engines.
(Cont) Dont lie, etc etc... Those are the pillars of judaism, and christianity was formed on those basis. All the mythology and stories of the bible do not reflect the moral beliefes and are more like and historical summary/description.
The part about european jews and non european jews are correct. European jews are less religious, more educated and civilized, more succesfull and responsible and its clear like the sun when you avoid political correctnes in israel.
@shining3210 But israel is the most multi cultural country on the planet in my opinion. Jewish people came here from all over the world, and with 2nd and 3rd genereations the differences are starting to diminish between european or non european jews. Its all westernized now, with the big brother, dancing with the stars american movies and programs, same leftist self righteous self blaming media which actually on the hunt of religious jews like in the u.s. etc etc.
As an israeli agnostic jew, who dont believe is religions at all, i must say you are basicly dead wrong on a lot of issues and correct on others.
Theres really no obsreved hate with practising orthodox jews, on the contrary, the preachings are always for the love and respect of the other. Its based on values of "love and respect your companion, as much as you love youself". The base is also the 10 commandments - dont kill , dont steal, respect your mother and father, dont commit adultry
@CMO999 It's a hypothesis I believe but I do not claim to be proven or demonstrated. If I come across conflicting evidence I may change my mind, but I don't expect to.
@CMO999 It is only the seven day week with one Sabbath day that we have in common. The Romans had changed their eight day week into a seven day week at least a century before the introduction of Christianity to the empire and all the week day names are of Pagan origin, not Christian or Jewish, in all European languages that I am aware of. We are using a Roman 7 day week named after the seven "visible planets" which include the sun and moon or Pagan gods such as Thor and Týr.
great video. i have just recently subscribed to you after a recommendation from dark matter. i wish i had the motivation you do for putting out vids. i have a few, but i find the time it takes to do a quality vid is not easy to come by. kudos for not only finding the time, but for making them all quite educational.
@OrdNaor The blood libel is a false belief which has caused many pogroms. Jews do not kill children to put blood in their bread but Jewish religious rites do involve symbolic cutting of children (circumcision) and the willingness of Abraham to sacrifice his child is important as is the passover, with blood as a symbol and the idea of death of all the first-born sons. Blood, sacrifice, first-born children, holy bread - the blood libel seems just one small extra step to those taught to hate Jews.
Yeah I wish Geert would just adjust the origins of his values to simply "secular". When any nation gets further away from its past theocratic influence, it does better as a result. In saying that of course there is more a need to put Islam in its place that Judaism or Christianity. We need to tackle the monotheistic trio in the reverse order from which they appeared.
islam though as a religion is worse than what would be a radical judaism. as bad as zealots were and they were bad(just search for the genocides they commited in judea egypt cyprus and cyrenea during the roman-jewish wars) judaism was never expantionalist in nuture.in fact it was the reverse ,an isolationist religion.
a second reason is: there isnt a central figure in judaism and its many patriarchs arent considered to be semidevine.
One of the best debunkings of the Judeo-Christian belief system and its supposed effect on Western Civilization that I've yet seen. One might add that the famous "family values" that Christians like to claim as theirs actually came from the Romans.
As pointed out, Christians at the time were looked upon as a motley bunch whom many believed had traitorous intentions. Hence some (not anywhere near the numbers claimed) ended up being executed as traitors and not for their religion, per se.
@MartinJWillett I got another theory about the brilliance of european jews. The rabbis always took the best and brightest women as wives. While the best of european society often became celibate, becoming monks and knights temlars and hosptalliers. Hence, over time the european jews became maginally smarter.
@JulianThePhilosopher Interesting theory. Did rabbis have more children than average? Were the smartest among the Jews coming from rabbinic families? Wouldn't having the smartest children coming from rabbinic families ensure that the finest minds were wasted on religious matters, surely as criminal a waste of talent as handing the smartest children fucking violins as we are so wont to do these days?
@MartinJWillett During the medival times, the alpha males or community leaders were of the religious sort. The best europeans became celibate and did not pass down their DNA, while the european jews did. Over the course of a few hundred years, this differences would show. It is just a theory though, but in a way it explains how the protestant countries, England, netherlands etc, would overtake catholic spain and france.
@JulianThePhilosopher There are many problems with this theory. It would suggest that any nation in which the religious are celibate would become more and more stupid over the years as the cream rises to the top and is removed from the gene pool as if it was scum, the stereotypes of dumb Polacks and thick Mick's leap to mind unbidden. How dumb are those Asian nations which harbour lots of monks and nuns?
@MartinJWillett The problem in asia, we do not have a parallel community of celibates vs non celibates. Tibet has a high monk per capita count. But there isn't another group to compare them against. Perharps the only place where a decent comparison can be made is in sri lanka where the Singhalese are buddhist while the tamils hindus. The tamils seem to be more sucessful of the 2. There are many other variables, i do not accpet this theory 100% till there is consensus amongst geneticists.
@JulianThePhilosopher Don't hold your breath. Half the world's geneticists knew all they would ever allow themselves to know about genes and intelligence before they signed up for their first course.
@JulianThePhilosopher haha, celibacy was not something they usually bothered to adhere to. Even the bishops usually had some dirty laundry they avoided airing in public. The Knights of St John over here for one might have stayed away from marriage but they did not stay away from prostitutes. Many of us here are the descendants of their bastards.
I'm starting to notice that quite a few of your viewers/subscribers are Israeli Jews (myself included). I think this kinda proves your main point about Jews in this video, doesn't it?
@Herutnik I hope so. I had noticed that there a lot of Israelis so I decided to make a point of saying my piece, I didn't want to get into the position of being afraid to express my opinions in case I offended somebody. I'm delighted that you don't seem to want to stone me.
@MartinJWillett I do agree with your main point in the video, but disagree with a few of your other remarks. But I'm definitly not offended by it and I don't think any intellegent Jew should be, especialy after hearing it in context.
Oh, and don't worry about us stoning you to death, we (Jews) are more civilized than that - we'll probably just send a Roman soldier to nail you up or something :)
@Herutnik Hey, you might even be able to turn a shekel (or thirty) on the deal. I did put crucify me at first and then I remembered that was wrong.
Feel free to argue on the little points, I shoot from the hip and I'm always open to change my mind (usually after whoever I have been debating with has gone away) if I find I have been wrong.
@MartinJWillett - so true. It is an amalgamation of the numerous belief systems circulating in that area of the ancient world at the time. Kenneth Humphreys covers this subject very well in his "Jesus Never Existed" site.
@SturmKorps That's hardly a hidden strategy. He declares himself to be agnostic (not atheist) but he clearly has a lot of time for Jews. He declares that the Netherlands is build upon values of Christianity, secularism and Judaism. I disagree with the Judaism bit. Dutch Jews have embraced European secular values and as such we (Geert and me) think Dutch Jews should feel very comfortable and welcome even if Muslims have well and truly worn out their welcome.
'Judeo-Christian' is a bogus concept. It's a propaganda term probably coined by parties wishing westerners feel they should automatically identify with Israel. There is virtually noting in the Koran that is not in the Old Testament. Judeo-islamic or Christo-Islamic would be equally valid terms. Islam believes in Jesus as a virgin-born prophet and rejects the idea of a chosen people, two factors that make it more like Christianity than Judaism.
rahotep101 10 months ago
@rahotep101 Of course it is. The Jews have great values these days, they learnt them in Europe.
MartinJWillett 10 months ago
@MartinJWillett
This argument is untenable. Jewish Talmudic argumentation, analogy, etc - was incorporated into Common Law legal reasoning.
While I accept the vast majority of Hitchens's arguments - your argument is not an extension of his. You ought to examine more than the Torah and other relics of Judaic insanity and refer to the Haskalah.
As an atheist anti-theists, I have no dog in this fight. However, your argument here is unsupported by evidence; you ought to seriously reconsider it.
EgoNamahaNemoRex 10 months ago
@EgoNamahaNemoRex No, my argument is not an extension of anybody else's, which is why I have not presented it as such.
The idea that Jews invented analogy and arguing is as absurd and fatuous as the idea that they invented a prohibition on stealing.
MartinJWillett 10 months ago
@MartinJWillett I would, of course, agree that such an assertion is absurd - I never said any such thing.
I said that Talmudic analogy and method of argument made its way into the Common Law.
How you interpreted that as an "idea that Jews invented analogy and arguing" is beyond me.
However, based on what I know about you, the presumption is that this was a good faith misunderstanding. As such, I will simply clarify that no, I did not argue that point.
Thanks for the reply, though.
Cheers.
EgoNamahaNemoRex 10 months ago
@EgoNamahaNemoRex It is an assertion which requires evidence. Lots of evidence. Is arguing using analogy rare? When did it come into western law or was it always there? If it was introduced who introduced it? If it was introduced was it recognized as a new thing? If it was recognized as something new was it recognized as something which was good because it was Jewish? Have you got any evidence for this from people who are neither Jews nor people with a need to suck up to them?
MartinJWillett 10 months ago
@MartinJWillett further, I do want to also clear up any doubt (if any exists): I quite like your videos and most of your arguments. I'm not trying to be adversarial or rude - I'm simply disagreeing... rather strongly.
Please don't take it the wrong way, as I appreciate the effort you put into your (mostly) well thought out and very compelling arguments.
EgoNamahaNemoRex 10 months ago
In fact the oposite is thrue the whole morality of Europe is based on ten comandmens of the God of Israel.Don't lie,don't kill this were unknown principes in barbaric Europe.Even further Christianity itself is a Jewish phylosopy created by Jews for Jews and later spread to gentiles.Before Judaization,Europeans used to sacrifice their own children for fallse gods,to endorse homosexuality and sex with animals,they lived and died withouth morality
Tomislavv2 1 year ago
@Tomislavv2 Have you actually paid any attention anything in this video, anything at all? At what point did you stop listening? Ten seconds, twenty?
MartinJWillett 1 year ago
@MartinJWillett
cc 2 minute
Christianity and Judaism are both Jewish ideologies.Judaism is a more ancient form of Jewish phylosopy while Paul Christianity is updated form of the same.Even wrritings originated from the Land Of Israel as Proto-Sinaic, Paleo-Hebrew-Phonecian wrriting is the ancestor of all alphabets.From Monotheism,to internet,most of antibiotics,vaccines and thousands of other invantion the Jewish contribution to Western Civilization is let say-more than huge.
Tomislavv2 1 year ago
@Tomislavv2 Watch the whole video, listen carefully and stop making ill-informed comments.
MartinJWillett 1 year ago
.The main point of my argument is that Paul's Christianity as know today is not an european ideology.It is part of Jewish phylosopy which existed centuries before Jeshua. This system of Hebrew metaphysics had no precedent in prior or contemporaneous pagan thought, but it did resonate with certain trends in later Greek thought.
Tomislavv2 1 year ago
It was Philo Judaeus, a leader of Alexandrian Jewry who began the synthesis of Hebrew and Greek thought (the latter primarily Platonic, but with some Aristotelian, Pythagorean, and Stoic elements).
The Jewish Bible was the first ever known universal constitution..The spirit of Christian Bible reflects the later stage of Jewish phylosopy with more philantropistic and human elements.When Europe converted itself to Pual's christianity it judaized itself as well.
Tomislavv2 1 year ago
@Tomislavv2 None of that is relevant. If you make a further addition which does not address the content of the video I will delete all your tangential comments.
MartinJWillett 1 year ago
Peace will come eventually, after they wipe each other out.
wowpapa 1 year ago
umm.. Israel's european jews are not the majority and its still more advanced than any of it's neighbors.
Kalahridudex 1 year ago
@Kalahridudex Congratulations, you managed to demonstrate both ways to get its and it's wrong in one short sentence.
MartinJWillett 1 year ago
I think this is a very fair point of criticism for Wilders. I do support him, but I do not support all of his views.
advisorC101 1 year ago
After getting over the mental disturbed feeling I had because i like BBQ pork my self. I quickly pondered that these Judao/Muslim eating practices and laws may have a connection to cannibalism. Also in Homer tells us of Odysseus men were turned into pigs, and Odysseus telling his other men not to eat the pigs. Another pig human connection...Homer was certainly was trying to tell us something here.
A bit off topic, but you know how one thought leads to another.
Cheers!
2/C
Aegialeus 1 year ago
Well said.
Regarding the cannibalism bit. I can not recollect if it was in a book about the peoples of "Papua New Guinea," authored by a WW British retired officer, or a BBC documentary on some of the tribes in deep highland areas of Papua New Guinea. British introduced animal husbandry to the tribes in order to ween them off cannibalism. Puapa preferred to raise pork, & the most disturbing thing stated by the tribes people was, that their elders compared pork to the taste of human flesh!!!
1/C
Aegialeus 1 year ago
In America, the only one talking about Judeo Christian values are Christians trying to hammer through their agendas by making them seem more inclusive than they actually are. For example their war against homosexual equality often carries the label "Judeo-Christian" but Jews overwhelmingly support equal rights for homosexuals. Jeff Dee did a whole show on this about a year ago.
GodlessInfinity 1 year ago
I just have to say, at 10:05 you say Abraham was asked by god to sacrifice his first-born son, but that's incorrect, Isaac was his second son, his first son was Ishmael.
BurnEmDown1 1 year ago
@BurnEmDown1 Ah, I'm mixing Abraham up with that totally different character Ibrahim again, aren't I? It's easily done.
MartinJWillett 1 year ago
@MartinJWillett
I do mix them up too although they are totally different
God asked Abraham to sacrifice Isaac and asked Ibrahim
to sacrifice Ismael. :)
I totally agree with your point (Jews and Europe) and it is not only Geert Wilders who makes such claims.
The Romans were a huge civilisation at their time and their values and progress did not come from any religion.
bastastop2010 1 year ago
@bastastop2010 The Romans mainly got their culture from the Greeks. There is also a lot of evidence which suggests that people like the Celts were actually far more civilised and cultured than previously thought.
joseffritzlismydaddy 1 year ago
@joseffritzlismydaddy
I totalment jaqblu miegħek :)
I mentioned the Roman because not only their civilization lasted more than 1000 years but also their borders were wide expanded and covered a big part of Europe till the Hadrian's Wall. And indeed the Archaic (Greece) Greeks was much more developed than the Jews communities who already existed at that time
bastastop2010 1 year ago
@bastastop2010 LOL It's' jiena naqbel miegħek totalment', qalbi.. Translator does a shitty job when it comes to my language.
joseffritzlismydaddy 1 year ago
@joseffritzlismydaddy
Hahaha I was expecting such a comment and had to use Google just to impress you but it did not work :)
bastastop2010 1 year ago
@bastastop2010 What gives you the impression that it didn't? I was flattered ;D
joseffritzlismydaddy 1 year ago
@BurnEmDown1 "Take your son, your only son Isaac, whom you love, and go to the land of Moriah, and offer him there as a burnt offering upon one of the mountains of which I shall tell you." (Gen. 22:1-2) Only son...
PaleoClipper 1 year ago
@BurnEmDown1 The narrator of Moby Dick?
AntiChristAntiFail 1 year ago
God is the unfortunate victim of bad reporting.
wiz9496 1 year ago
But Martin, what about your video saying, "I'm Geert Wilders"?
Only kidding....
Illumirage 1 year ago
It's no good saying Wilders is wrong without giving an alternative. Wilders is a politician he is trying to build the broadest alliance he can. The reason why he says Judeo-Christian is the same reason the EDL wave the Israeli flag - to scare off the racists. He also adds the humanist tag just as the EDL have a womens and a Gay division.
If someone can come up with a better political tag I'd like to hear it.
DontBendOverForAllah 1 year ago
@DontBendOverForAllah Wilders is a politician and he has to say things that seem right for the audience he seeks to impress. I am more free to tell people what I actually believe. I don't know if he believes that he is being dishonest. It is not my concern. I tell the truth as I see it.
MartinJWillett 1 year ago
@MartinJWillett am not saying your video is wrong in fact a lot of Jews in Israel are reverting to type, living off the dole having 10 kids...etc so I agree on your main point that it was Europe that reformed Judaism not the other way round and it is good that atheists criticise Judaism once in a while. My criticism of Judaism is that concessions on Kosher meat, male circumcision and Beth Din courts in the UK have been a self defeating Trogon Horse for Islam.
DontBendOverForAllah 1 year ago
@DontBendOverForAllah The political reason the the Judeo bit is anti-racism, the justification would be the 10 commandments. Islam has the opposite thou shalt lie, murder, rape, steal. Of course there are more than 10 commandments and some are pretty crap but Potholer54 recently referred to th 9th commandment in taking on creationists, it's part of our culture
I'm genuinely interested if someone can come up with a better position for Wilders to adopt.
DontBendOverForAllah 1 year ago
There is only a few differences in Allah and Yahweh that I can tell.
1. Yahweh says he's all-loving even though he obviously isn't.
2. Allah openly hates some people and doesn't tote all-loving.
3. One of their beards are black.
Aresftfun 1 year ago
@Aresftfun The third one was a joke.
Also, the Romans were in Europe far before the christians and had a better society. Christianity was not a part in progressing in Europe to my knowledge.
Aresftfun 1 year ago
@Aresftfun Christianity did not move civilization, especially in the material sense, forward much itself but it did create a better base for civilization to be built upon. It prepared the soil well. Christianity created a world with separate political and religious authority and a community of individuals who had a sense of their individuality and individual destiny, responsibility and relationship with God. It was NOT the engine of progress, but good vehicles need more than just engines.
MartinJWillett 1 year ago
You have to answer two really important questions in order to decide if geert wilders is correct.
1) Is european culture is based on christian values?
2) Are christian values are based or derived from jewish values?
You really failed to answer both.
shining3210 1 year ago
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Aresftfun 1 year ago
(Cont) Dont lie, etc etc... Those are the pillars of judaism, and christianity was formed on those basis. All the mythology and stories of the bible do not reflect the moral beliefes and are more like and historical summary/description.
The part about european jews and non european jews are correct. European jews are less religious, more educated and civilized, more succesfull and responsible and its clear like the sun when you avoid political correctnes in israel.
shining3210 1 year ago
@shining3210 But israel is the most multi cultural country on the planet in my opinion. Jewish people came here from all over the world, and with 2nd and 3rd genereations the differences are starting to diminish between european or non european jews. Its all westernized now, with the big brother, dancing with the stars american movies and programs, same leftist self righteous self blaming media which actually on the hunt of religious jews like in the u.s. etc etc.
shining3210 1 year ago
As an israeli agnostic jew, who dont believe is religions at all, i must say you are basicly dead wrong on a lot of issues and correct on others.
Theres really no obsreved hate with practising orthodox jews, on the contrary, the preachings are always for the love and respect of the other. Its based on values of "love and respect your companion, as much as you love youself". The base is also the 10 commandments - dont kill , dont steal, respect your mother and father, dont commit adultry
shining3210 1 year ago
Mr. Willett thank you for telling it like you see it. Peace.
khmer41980 1 year ago
Is that the origin of the whole pork avoidance thing among Jews and Muslims? Very interesting!
CMO999 1 year ago
@CMO999 It's a hypothesis I believe but I do not claim to be proven or demonstrated. If I come across conflicting evidence I may change my mind, but I don't expect to.
MartinJWillett 1 year ago
We still use the Jewish calendar, with Sunday as the first day of the week.
CMO999 1 year ago
@CMO999 It is only the seven day week with one Sabbath day that we have in common. The Romans had changed their eight day week into a seven day week at least a century before the introduction of Christianity to the empire and all the week day names are of Pagan origin, not Christian or Jewish, in all European languages that I am aware of. We are using a Roman 7 day week named after the seven "visible planets" which include the sun and moon or Pagan gods such as Thor and Týr.
MartinJWillett 1 year ago
@MartinJWillett Thanks for expanding on that.
CMO999 1 year ago
great video. i have just recently subscribed to you after a recommendation from dark matter. i wish i had the motivation you do for putting out vids. i have a few, but i find the time it takes to do a quality vid is not easy to come by. kudos for not only finding the time, but for making them all quite educational.
flashoftruth 1 year ago
@Xerotaerg I wouldn't say I was really attacking Judaism as much as just telling it like I see it.
I don't read many blogs.
MartinJWillett 1 year ago
@OrdNaor The blood libel is a false belief which has caused many pogroms. Jews do not kill children to put blood in their bread but Jewish religious rites do involve symbolic cutting of children (circumcision) and the willingness of Abraham to sacrifice his child is important as is the passover, with blood as a symbol and the idea of death of all the first-born sons. Blood, sacrifice, first-born children, holy bread - the blood libel seems just one small extra step to those taught to hate Jews.
MartinJWillett 1 year ago
Yeah I wish Geert would just adjust the origins of his values to simply "secular". When any nation gets further away from its past theocratic influence, it does better as a result. In saying that of course there is more a need to put Islam in its place that Judaism or Christianity. We need to tackle the monotheistic trio in the reverse order from which they appeared.
123backinyerface 1 year ago 2
awesome!
BaileysBeads 1 year ago
on literal grounds yahweh is worse than allah.
islam though as a religion is worse than what would be a radical judaism. as bad as zealots were and they were bad(just search for the genocides they commited in judea egypt cyprus and cyrenea during the roman-jewish wars) judaism was never expantionalist in nuture.in fact it was the reverse ,an isolationist religion.
a second reason is: there isnt a central figure in judaism and its many patriarchs arent considered to be semidevine.
amet1980 1 year ago
And that's the brutal truth. Thanks!
Ignorantf00l 1 year ago
One of the best debunkings of the Judeo-Christian belief system and its supposed effect on Western Civilization that I've yet seen. One might add that the famous "family values" that Christians like to claim as theirs actually came from the Romans.
As pointed out, Christians at the time were looked upon as a motley bunch whom many believed had traitorous intentions. Hence some (not anywhere near the numbers claimed) ended up being executed as traitors and not for their religion, per se.
Cissy2cute 1 year ago 2
The muslims and the jews...and the christians seem to hate each other in the way that only close relatives can.
mcrd2001 1 year ago 11
@mcrd2001 You may be on to something there.
MartinJWillett 1 year ago 5
@MartinJWillett I got another theory about the brilliance of european jews. The rabbis always took the best and brightest women as wives. While the best of european society often became celibate, becoming monks and knights temlars and hosptalliers. Hence, over time the european jews became maginally smarter.
JulianThePhilosopher 1 year ago
@JulianThePhilosopher Interesting theory. Did rabbis have more children than average? Were the smartest among the Jews coming from rabbinic families? Wouldn't having the smartest children coming from rabbinic families ensure that the finest minds were wasted on religious matters, surely as criminal a waste of talent as handing the smartest children fucking violins as we are so wont to do these days?
MartinJWillett 1 year ago
@MartinJWillett During the medival times, the alpha males or community leaders were of the religious sort. The best europeans became celibate and did not pass down their DNA, while the european jews did. Over the course of a few hundred years, this differences would show. It is just a theory though, but in a way it explains how the protestant countries, England, netherlands etc, would overtake catholic spain and france.
JulianThePhilosopher 1 year ago
@JulianThePhilosopher There are many problems with this theory. It would suggest that any nation in which the religious are celibate would become more and more stupid over the years as the cream rises to the top and is removed from the gene pool as if it was scum, the stereotypes of dumb Polacks and thick Mick's leap to mind unbidden. How dumb are those Asian nations which harbour lots of monks and nuns?
MartinJWillett 1 year ago
@MartinJWillett The problem in asia, we do not have a parallel community of celibates vs non celibates. Tibet has a high monk per capita count. But there isn't another group to compare them against. Perharps the only place where a decent comparison can be made is in sri lanka where the Singhalese are buddhist while the tamils hindus. The tamils seem to be more sucessful of the 2. There are many other variables, i do not accpet this theory 100% till there is consensus amongst geneticists.
JulianThePhilosopher 1 year ago
@JulianThePhilosopher Don't hold your breath. Half the world's geneticists knew all they would ever allow themselves to know about genes and intelligence before they signed up for their first course.
MartinJWillett 1 year ago
@JulianThePhilosopher haha, celibacy was not something they usually bothered to adhere to. Even the bishops usually had some dirty laundry they avoided airing in public. The Knights of St John over here for one might have stayed away from marriage but they did not stay away from prostitutes. Many of us here are the descendants of their bastards.
joseffritzlismydaddy 1 year ago
@joseffritzlismydaddy haha interesting stuff, u are right lotsa knights besides fighting the turks also knew how to enjoy the good life.
JulianThePhilosopher 1 year ago
@mcrd2001 and the Atheists hate all of them. "the way that only close relatives can".
(just kidding)
77Merav 1 year ago
I'm starting to notice that quite a few of your viewers/subscribers are Israeli Jews (myself included). I think this kinda proves your main point about Jews in this video, doesn't it?
Herutnik 1 year ago 5
@Herutnik I hope so. I had noticed that there a lot of Israelis so I decided to make a point of saying my piece, I didn't want to get into the position of being afraid to express my opinions in case I offended somebody. I'm delighted that you don't seem to want to stone me.
MartinJWillett 1 year ago
@MartinJWillett I do agree with your main point in the video, but disagree with a few of your other remarks. But I'm definitly not offended by it and I don't think any intellegent Jew should be, especialy after hearing it in context.
Oh, and don't worry about us stoning you to death, we (Jews) are more civilized than that - we'll probably just send a Roman soldier to nail you up or something :)
Herutnik 1 year ago
@Herutnik Hey, you might even be able to turn a shekel (or thirty) on the deal. I did put crucify me at first and then I remembered that was wrong.
Feel free to argue on the little points, I shoot from the hip and I'm always open to change my mind (usually after whoever I have been debating with has gone away) if I find I have been wrong.
MartinJWillett 1 year ago
@MartinJWillett
"...if I find I have been wrong"
your honesty is quite refreshing. but i would have written "IF"...
flashoftruth 1 year ago
@flashoftruth I said it to myself as IF, obviously. ;-)
MartinJWillett 1 year ago
@OrdNaor That is the Blood Libel, please pay attention to the context.
mwillett[dot]org /atheism/blood-libel.htm
MartinJWillett 1 year ago
OKy, now i have listned, forget my former comment,
tobleronasahliv 1 year ago
Isnt christianity built upon judaism..?
tobleronasahliv 1 year ago
@tobleronasahliv Judaism is one part of the recipe, but not the entire recipe.
MartinJWillett 1 year ago
@MartinJWillett - so true. It is an amalgamation of the numerous belief systems circulating in that area of the ancient world at the time. Kenneth Humphreys covers this subject very well in his "Jesus Never Existed" site.
Cissy2cute 1 year ago
So a politician is trying to twist history? Not surprised.
Integration is a two way street.
You're absolutely correct about the pork.
Not pissing your pants, ftw.
nishbrown 1 year ago
Very good thought-provoking video.
mucalinda 1 year ago
It is the source of the values, all of the bad ones.
Mahoivlich 1 year ago
Geert Wilders is an atheist but loves praise christian so much? I guess he is using it as a tool to fight Islamic expansion then.
SturmKorps 1 year ago
@SturmKorps That's hardly a hidden strategy. He declares himself to be agnostic (not atheist) but he clearly has a lot of time for Jews. He declares that the Netherlands is build upon values of Christianity, secularism and Judaism. I disagree with the Judaism bit. Dutch Jews have embraced European secular values and as such we (Geert and me) think Dutch Jews should feel very comfortable and welcome even if Muslims have well and truly worn out their welcome.
MartinJWillett 1 year ago