1. The Ordo Templi Orientis (not 'Orientalis', as Icke so snidely says here) is not a 'satanic cult', nor does it have ANY roots in Satanism WHATSOEVER.
2. Crowley was not a satanist. This is a FACT. He never claimed to be one and Thelema has NOTHING to do with 'satanism'. Thelema is actually much closer to christianity than 'Satanism', rightly so, as it is meant to supercede it.
Don't bother with Icke, he is a showman, not a researcher.
@MrEatyourvegetables its chris everard not david icke you moron. and this man speaks french and other european languages they might pronounce it differently
Actually it's from a David Icke 'documentary' called 'Secret Space'. And 'Orientis' and 'Orientalis' are different words, pronunciation is not a factor however many languages he speaks.
@MrEatyourvegetables Actually if you did any research at all you would know that Secret Space Vol 1,2 AND 3 were all made by Chris Everard at EnigmaTV.com. Crowley called himself the beast.the knowledge these people have isnt evil its what they do with it.why is this sick fuck the inspiration for so many other sick fucks out there?
You are obviously missing my point. Icke the main attraction of that videos, and interviews with him are strewn throughout. Not that it really matters. You are still avoiding my argument and resorting to personal attacks. Yes Crowley called himself 'The Beast', what of it? What did he do that was so 'evil' in your eyes?
@MrEatyourvegetables first of all didnt he summon all 72 demons in the Goetia(Lesser key of Solomon)in the great pyramid? yes.he claimed to have spoken to an atlantean entity named LAM. all the secret societies are trying to rebuild atlantis and have this fixation on the sirius star cluster.crowley was on the same line of thought as the one world government builders plain and simple.AND HE WAS A SPY FOR THE BRITISH GOVERNMENT. the ones subjecti
First of all, Levi's depiction of Baphomet with the goats head was composed in the 19th century, long after the fall of the Templars (who weren't "evil" either), and only became a 'Satanic' figure (for people who simply don't understand it) in the mid-20th century with Lavey's ridiculous satanic church.
Secondly, no, he never even entered the Great Pyramid, that was from a short story written by Christopher S. Hyatt and is a work of fiction. (TBC)
Thirdly, he never said any such thing about LAM. Kenneth Grant was the first to suggest that LAM was an extra-terrestrial intelligence, and (you guessed it) ICKE was the first to claim it was 'Atlantean', based on nothing but speculation.
Fourthly, yes he was a spy during the war. So what. Ian Flemming was too, and I don't hear you calling James Bond a 'Satanic Atlantean Plot' (though Icke probably has somewhere).
@MrEatyourvegetables ian flemming was an initiate in the silver star and based the character 007 on John Dee the queen's personal black magician. do you understand that these monarchies are trying to set up one world government and fuse us with machines?? are you fucking retarded? these people work for the governments subjecting us to admiralty law and all types of evil shit. who cares if Lam wasnt atlantean or extraterrestrial? but why was its head so big?
John Dee was not a 'Black Magician', considering he spend a massive portion of his time in the queens court receiving and collating the Enochian system of ANGELIC magic I would think this was quite clear.
LAM's 'head' doesn't exist. You're thinking of a sketch Crowley did to simply put a face to the energy he had reached. He made the head large as a sign of respect for LAM's intelligence (he did the same thing to his own self portraits).
@MrEatyourvegetables if you havent heard of a one world government you are lost. if you havent heard that this country( America) is under admiralty law you are lost. these occult societies want to create a one world government. they call it a utopia but it will only be happy for them. read ray kurzweil he wants to fuse with machines and that view is shared by many elitists. you may not think there is something wrong with these high elements of government subjecting us to evil
Also, just to clarify, Crowley (only for a period of about 10 years) called himself 'To Mega Therion' which is greek for 'The Great Wild Beast', which is a reference to Levi's Baphomet, which is really just an alchemical symbol of the union in opposites and 'archaic perfection' as Levi put it. (Though he knew reactionary folk would not get it, as was his sense of humour.) Baphomet is quite similar to the Yin Yang in terms of its inherant meaning. What is so 'evil' about that?
@MrEatyourvegetables baphomet is also a devil god the knights templar worshipped. and the union of the polarities is perfectly symbolized in the star of david 2 triangles together why do they need goats. and david icke is not the focal point of any chris everard film they both have british accents and sound the same
@MrEatyourvegetables also why do freemason lodges keep the book of the law on their front alter or whatever? i heard they do that?and you didnt answer my question about the 72 demons in the goetia and crowley summoning all of them in the great pyramid
"do you understand that these monarchies are trying to set up one world government and fuse us with machines?? are you fucking retarded?" - I have no idea where you pulled that gem of misinformation from, but I could take a guess. Flemming was not in A.*.A.*., he was an acquaintance of Crowley's but that is all, another one of these retarded assumptions made by Icke and these other morons (Like how Icke thinks Blavatsky was a man because she associated with freemasons), (TBC)
Freemasons do not use Liber Al anywhere or at any time, I don't know where you heard this either. In the Thelemic Gnostic Mass the BOTL is on the main alter, and there's nothing 'evil' about that either.
I did actually answer your question about the pyramid, in a comment bellow but I'll paste it for you...
"Secondly, no, he never even entered the Great Pyramid, that was from a short story written by Christopher S. Hyatt and is a work of fiction."
@MrEatyourvegetables WHY THE FUCK WONT THIS STUPID FUCKING PAGE LET ME PUT THE LINK UP FOR SOMETHING IMPORTANT?!?!?!?FUCK YOU TUBE THIS STUPID FUCKING SITE I CANT EVEN KEEP TRACK OF THE COMMENTS WHAT A PIECE OF FUCKING TRASH
@cracksmoker321 From Oracles: The Biography of an Art: Unpublished Fragments of the Work of Aleister Crowley (Foyers, Scotland: Society for the Propagation of Religious Truth, 1905)-------------In the Great Pyramid of Ghizeh
by Aleister Crowley
FUCK YOU TUBE FUCK SAN BRUNO CALIFORNIA FUCK THE INTERNET SUCK MY COCK
@cracksmoker321 Ok I looked it up, and read it, it's quite good. But it's a poem, inspired by a vision. First line, "I saw in a trance or a vision..." He was never in the great pyramid.
For the record I am quite aware of this 'one world government' stuff, 7 or 8 years ago I would've been defending is as fervently as you. Some of it has a lot to back it up. Though I'm not debating any of that. I'm defending the idea that people should check their facts before slandering the dead.
@MrEatyourvegetables In her widely read, if all-but-unreadable, books, The Secret Doctrine (1888) and Isis Unveiled (1877), she explained to her followers that the Pyramid was 'the everlasting record and the indestructible symbol of the Mysteries and Initiations on Earth'. '...Aleister Crowley claimed to have spent his honeymoon in the Pyramid...'
again wont let me post a link...stupid youtube ....
There is a romanticized version of the story around the reception of Liber Al, in which Crowley and his wife spend a night in the great pyramid and she has a vision relating to Horus and such. This is a fiction, probably told by Crowley himself, though it was probably someone else (this is quite common with Crowley) really it's irrelevant who. Rose did have a vision, but it actually took place in their hotel room, according to Crowley's own autobiography.
@MrEatyourvegetables he says he did a "magical ceremony with remarkable results" in the Kings Chamber of the Great Pyramid read that book on google books. How are we going in circles when this whole argument has been about whether crowley had been to egypt/ the pyramids. so youre going to sit there and tell me that you believe that crowley went to egypt but DIDNT visit the great pyramids?highly unlikely.
That's not what this is about at all. You've simply focussed in on a tiny part of this debate and now we're going in circles. You said Crowley summoned the 72 Demons of the Goetia in the Kings Chamber of the Great Pyramid. That wasn't true. That's where we should've left it, anything further along that line is redundant. You have still have yet to demonstrate this 'evil' you see in Crowley, which is actually what this is about.
@MrEatyourvegetables that what the last 4 or 5 exchanges were about. now youre not admitting youre wrong.
"Secondly, no, he never even entered the Great Pyramid, that was from a short story written by Christopher S. Hyatt and is a work of fiction."
He entered the great pyramid and conducted a magical ritual and fucked his wife in there and conceived their child.probably trying to create a moonchild or something.it seems youve become such a skeptic that youve shot yourself in the foot
There are many versions of the story. Yours however, I have never heard before, and I doubt it's based on fact. And in terms of admitting defeat, pretty much every argument you've made up until this point has been incorrect or irrelevant, have you forgotten about that? You first.
In fact, don't bother. This is a childish, uninformed debate, and is going nowhere, I'm done.
@MrEatyourvegetables dont read it i dont care. youre a childish faggot who ends the conversation on a note like that. you doubt my story is based on fact? its taken straight from Magick Book 4 which is widely considered Crowley's seminal work. youre a fucking tool bro if i saw you in the hood i would beat your ass. the only thing childish here is your inability to admit youre wrong. youre a fucking apologist why dont you reincarnate crowley with a ritual and suck his cock you fucking loser?
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MrEatyourvegetables 6 months ago
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MrEatyourvegetables 6 months ago
What a bunch of sensationalist rubbish.
1. The Ordo Templi Orientis (not 'Orientalis', as Icke so snidely says here) is not a 'satanic cult', nor does it have ANY roots in Satanism WHATSOEVER.
2. Crowley was not a satanist. This is a FACT. He never claimed to be one and Thelema has NOTHING to do with 'satanism'. Thelema is actually much closer to christianity than 'Satanism', rightly so, as it is meant to supercede it.
Don't bother with Icke, he is a showman, not a researcher.
MrEatyourvegetables 8 months ago
@MrEatyourvegetables its chris everard not david icke you moron. and this man speaks french and other european languages they might pronounce it differently
cracksmoker321 7 months ago
@cracksmoker321
Actually it's from a David Icke 'documentary' called 'Secret Space'. And 'Orientis' and 'Orientalis' are different words, pronunciation is not a factor however many languages he speaks.
All of my arguments still stand.
MrEatyourvegetables 6 months ago
@MrEatyourvegetables Actually if you did any research at all you would know that Secret Space Vol 1,2 AND 3 were all made by Chris Everard at EnigmaTV.com. Crowley called himself the beast.the knowledge these people have isnt evil its what they do with it.why is this sick fuck the inspiration for so many other sick fucks out there?
cracksmoker321 6 months ago
@cracksmoker321
You are obviously missing my point. Icke the main attraction of that videos, and interviews with him are strewn throughout. Not that it really matters. You are still avoiding my argument and resorting to personal attacks. Yes Crowley called himself 'The Beast', what of it? What did he do that was so 'evil' in your eyes?
MrEatyourvegetables 6 months ago
@MrEatyourvegetables first of all didnt he summon all 72 demons in the Goetia(Lesser key of Solomon)in the great pyramid? yes.he claimed to have spoken to an atlantean entity named LAM. all the secret societies are trying to rebuild atlantis and have this fixation on the sirius star cluster.crowley was on the same line of thought as the one world government builders plain and simple.AND HE WAS A SPY FOR THE BRITISH GOVERNMENT. the ones subjecti
cracksmoker321 6 months ago
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@cracksmoker321
First of all, Levi's depiction of Baphomet with the goats head was composed in the 19th century, long after the fall of the Templars (who weren't "evil" either), and only became a 'Satanic' figure (for people who simply don't understand it) in the mid-20th century with Lavey's ridiculous satanic church.
Secondly, no, he never even entered the Great Pyramid, that was from a short story written by Christopher S. Hyatt and is a work of fiction. (TBC)
MrEatyourvegetables 6 months ago
@cracksmoker321
Thirdly, he never said any such thing about LAM. Kenneth Grant was the first to suggest that LAM was an extra-terrestrial intelligence, and (you guessed it) ICKE was the first to claim it was 'Atlantean', based on nothing but speculation.
Fourthly, yes he was a spy during the war. So what. Ian Flemming was too, and I don't hear you calling James Bond a 'Satanic Atlantean Plot' (though Icke probably has somewhere).
MrEatyourvegetables 6 months ago
@MrEatyourvegetables ian flemming was an initiate in the silver star and based the character 007 on John Dee the queen's personal black magician. do you understand that these monarchies are trying to set up one world government and fuse us with machines?? are you fucking retarded? these people work for the governments subjecting us to admiralty law and all types of evil shit. who cares if Lam wasnt atlantean or extraterrestrial? but why was its head so big?
cracksmoker321 6 months ago
@cracksmoker321
John Dee was not a 'Black Magician', considering he spend a massive portion of his time in the queens court receiving and collating the Enochian system of ANGELIC magic I would think this was quite clear.
LAM's 'head' doesn't exist. You're thinking of a sketch Crowley did to simply put a face to the energy he had reached. He made the head large as a sign of respect for LAM's intelligence (he did the same thing to his own self portraits).
Anything else?
MrEatyourvegetables 6 months ago
@MrEatyourvegetables if you havent heard of a one world government you are lost. if you havent heard that this country( America) is under admiralty law you are lost. these occult societies want to create a one world government. they call it a utopia but it will only be happy for them. read ray kurzweil he wants to fuse with machines and that view is shared by many elitists. you may not think there is something wrong with these high elements of government subjecting us to evil
cracksmoker321 6 months ago
@cracksmoker321 while at the same time doing ritual magick and creating a one world government but i can see it
cracksmoker321 6 months ago
@cracksmoker321
Also, just to clarify, Crowley (only for a period of about 10 years) called himself 'To Mega Therion' which is greek for 'The Great Wild Beast', which is a reference to Levi's Baphomet, which is really just an alchemical symbol of the union in opposites and 'archaic perfection' as Levi put it. (Though he knew reactionary folk would not get it, as was his sense of humour.) Baphomet is quite similar to the Yin Yang in terms of its inherant meaning. What is so 'evil' about that?
MrEatyourvegetables 6 months ago
@MrEatyourvegetables baphomet is also a devil god the knights templar worshipped. and the union of the polarities is perfectly symbolized in the star of david 2 triangles together why do they need goats. and david icke is not the focal point of any chris everard film they both have british accents and sound the same
cracksmoker321 6 months ago
@MrEatyourvegetables also why do freemason lodges keep the book of the law on their front alter or whatever? i heard they do that?and you didnt answer my question about the 72 demons in the goetia and crowley summoning all of them in the great pyramid
cracksmoker321 6 months ago
@cracksmoker321
"do you understand that these monarchies are trying to set up one world government and fuse us with machines?? are you fucking retarded?" - I have no idea where you pulled that gem of misinformation from, but I could take a guess. Flemming was not in A.*.A.*., he was an acquaintance of Crowley's but that is all, another one of these retarded assumptions made by Icke and these other morons (Like how Icke thinks Blavatsky was a man because she associated with freemasons), (TBC)
MrEatyourvegetables 6 months ago
@cracksmoker321
Freemasons do not use Liber Al anywhere or at any time, I don't know where you heard this either. In the Thelemic Gnostic Mass the BOTL is on the main alter, and there's nothing 'evil' about that either.
I did actually answer your question about the pyramid, in a comment bellow but I'll paste it for you...
"Secondly, no, he never even entered the Great Pyramid, that was from a short story written by Christopher S. Hyatt and is a work of fiction."
(TBC)
MrEatyourvegetables 6 months ago
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cracksmoker321 6 months ago
@MrEatyourvegetables go look up the name of the shit i posted written by crowley. he was inside the great pyramid
cracksmoker321 6 months ago
@MrEatyourvegetables WHY THE FUCK WONT THIS STUPID FUCKING PAGE LET ME PUT THE LINK UP FOR SOMETHING IMPORTANT?!?!?!?FUCK YOU TUBE THIS STUPID FUCKING SITE I CANT EVEN KEEP TRACK OF THE COMMENTS WHAT A PIECE OF FUCKING TRASH
cracksmoker321 6 months ago
@cracksmoker321 From Oracles: The Biography of an Art: Unpublished Fragments of the Work of Aleister Crowley (Foyers, Scotland: Society for the Propagation of Religious Truth, 1905)-------------In the Great Pyramid of Ghizeh
by Aleister Crowley
FUCK YOU TUBE FUCK SAN BRUNO CALIFORNIA FUCK THE INTERNET SUCK MY COCK
cracksmoker321 6 months ago
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Azoth156 6 months ago
@cracksmoker321 Ok I looked it up, and read it, it's quite good. But it's a poem, inspired by a vision. First line, "I saw in a trance or a vision..." He was never in the great pyramid.
For the record I am quite aware of this 'one world government' stuff, 7 or 8 years ago I would've been defending is as fervently as you. Some of it has a lot to back it up. Though I'm not debating any of that. I'm defending the idea that people should check their facts before slandering the dead.
MrEatyourvegetables 6 months ago
@MrEatyourvegetables In her widely read, if all-but-unreadable, books, The Secret Doctrine (1888) and Isis Unveiled (1877), she explained to her followers that the Pyramid was 'the everlasting record and the indestructible symbol of the Mysteries and Initiations on Earth'. '...Aleister Crowley claimed to have spent his honeymoon in the Pyramid...'
again wont let me post a link...stupid youtube ....
cracksmoker321 6 months ago
@cracksmoker321
There is a romanticized version of the story around the reception of Liber Al, in which Crowley and his wife spend a night in the great pyramid and she has a vision relating to Horus and such. This is a fiction, probably told by Crowley himself, though it was probably someone else (this is quite common with Crowley) really it's irrelevant who. Rose did have a vision, but it actually took place in their hotel room, according to Crowley's own autobiography.
MrEatyourvegetables 6 months ago
@MrEatyourvegetables Magick: Book 4, Liber Aba By Aleister Crowley, Mary Desti, Leila Waddell, Hymenaeus PAGE XXXVI
he was in egypt
cracksmoker321 6 months ago
@cracksmoker321
Of course he was in Egypt. And?
We're going in circles here.
MrEatyourvegetables 6 months ago
@MrEatyourvegetables he says he did a "magical ceremony with remarkable results" in the Kings Chamber of the Great Pyramid read that book on google books. How are we going in circles when this whole argument has been about whether crowley had been to egypt/ the pyramids. so youre going to sit there and tell me that you believe that crowley went to egypt but DIDNT visit the great pyramids?highly unlikely.
cracksmoker321 6 months ago
@cracksmoker321
That's not what this is about at all. You've simply focussed in on a tiny part of this debate and now we're going in circles. You said Crowley summoned the 72 Demons of the Goetia in the Kings Chamber of the Great Pyramid. That wasn't true. That's where we should've left it, anything further along that line is redundant. You have still have yet to demonstrate this 'evil' you see in Crowley, which is actually what this is about.
MrEatyourvegetables 6 months ago
@MrEatyourvegetables that what the last 4 or 5 exchanges were about. now youre not admitting youre wrong.
"Secondly, no, he never even entered the Great Pyramid, that was from a short story written by Christopher S. Hyatt and is a work of fiction."
He entered the great pyramid and conducted a magical ritual and fucked his wife in there and conceived their child.probably trying to create a moonchild or something.it seems youve become such a skeptic that youve shot yourself in the foot
cracksmoker321 6 months ago
@cracksmoker321
There are many versions of the story. Yours however, I have never heard before, and I doubt it's based on fact. And in terms of admitting defeat, pretty much every argument you've made up until this point has been incorrect or irrelevant, have you forgotten about that? You first.
In fact, don't bother. This is a childish, uninformed debate, and is going nowhere, I'm done.
Don't bother replying I won't read it.
MrEatyourvegetables 6 months ago 2
@MrEatyourvegetables dont read it i dont care. youre a childish faggot who ends the conversation on a note like that. you doubt my story is based on fact? its taken straight from Magick Book 4 which is widely considered Crowley's seminal work. youre a fucking tool bro if i saw you in the hood i would beat your ass. the only thing childish here is your inability to admit youre wrong. youre a fucking apologist why dont you reincarnate crowley with a ritual and suck his cock you fucking loser?
cracksmoker321 6 months ago
@cracksmoker321 - well he's not an AGW-denier shill so that must count for something positive.
JustSomePerson888 4 months ago
@cracksmoker321 thats 5 fucks
cracksmoker321 6 months ago