It is difficult to listen to Price because he sees so clearly through the conflicts and inconsistencies in the bible but then does not apply the same level of critical scrutiny when it comes to say, US propaganda.. (The 911 attacks being but one example)./ He just accepts what the TV says...instead of looking at the facts himself (and determining as any reasonable would, that the official story of 911 could not possibly be true
I hate seeing someone for the first time after listening to them talk for hours. Rob is supposed to look a lot older, and much more grizzled with a voice like that.
People look at the bible too simply.The obvious thing (if you want it to make sense)is u must pick &choose. It was written in the ancient world. When u read about 'walking on water' that is an obvious allegorical allusion to rising above the material plane. (water being an ancient symbol of matter.. and the whole bible is like this.
Look at mysticism or esoteric Judaism. It must all be cognitive or what good would it be? 'the kingdom of heaven is within.' Price is historian and not a mystic.
@OppressedAtheist By the way, I am NOT a christian nor do I have any particular commitment to theism or any other -ism. I just cannot abide the mirror opposite fundamentalism of the so-called "new atheists" (actually its a very old atheism, badly repackaged) who attempt to debunk all religion and religious beliefs on the basis of their very narrow definition of reason. They all believe in "scientism" which is a decidedly unreasonable superstition. Dawkins and his ilk disgust me.
@OppressedAtheist It is all too convenient for atheists such as yourself to argue that Jesus didn't existed- even though the consensus of scholars (that is, ppl who specialize in ancient middle eastern hisory) say that the evidence for the historical existence of Jesus is overwhelming. It is all too convenient, which makes me suspect your objectivity, I'm afraid.
I have no idea whatsoever why you corrected me regarding Ehrman not being an atheist but an agnostic. It does nothing to my argument
@bayreuth79 How is it "overwhelming evidence?" There's no writings by Jesus, no accounts of any of the events of the gospels outside of the gospels. They are not even eyewitness accounts, and scholars don't even really know who the gospels writers were. He may have existed, but you're starting with a positive conclusion: 'Jesus existed' and justifying it backwards. Show us this overwhelming evidence. You can't use the bible to prove itself.
@OppressedAtheist I wonder if your interpretation of the historical data has been biased at all by your atheism? If you respond that you are just taking an objective look at the evidence and this has formed your agnosticism as to the existence of Jesus, I would want to say that there is no such thing as an objective look at anything, only feeble attempts. Bart D Ehrman also pointed out that it is the consensus amongst scholars that Jesus existed. Who are you to go against the consensus?!
No serious historian doubts the existence of Jesus. Robert Price, I'm afraid, is not a serious historian. Bart D Ehrman- who is no friend of christianity and in fact he's an atheist- regards it as patently absurd that Jesus didn't exist. If you are going to doubt that Jesus existed, then you are going to have to doubt that many other historical figures didn't exist as well, like Caesar. For God's sake, wake up! Bob Price is a mediocre scholar.
@bayreuth79 But there is ample documented evidence from the time of Caesar about his existence. Not so for Jesus. All the people and historians who lived at the time of Jesus are silent on there being a man by this name. It isn't until almost 100 years after the death of Jesus that mention is made of him, and as time goes by his story grows and we hear more about his life and teachings, starting with Paul, who saw him in a vision. Paul says nothing about Jesus as a man. So was he man or spirit?
Why didn't the Christians go with Apollonius instead, with there being at least SOME evidence that he existed.
Of course I guess the curses/exclamations "Holy Apollonius!" or "Apollonius Christ!" doesn't exactly roll off the tongue as smoothly as the Jesus ones do :)
Do you happen to know where I can find the source Price references about Apollonius? All I've ever heard xtians say is that all the sources for Apollonius come way after the sources for xtianity. Which, even though I think that's bullshit, I never could find a source to refute them.
@MisterBoswell Sorry, but all I can do is point you to Wikipedia, and according to that site Apollonius was a contemporary of Jesus give or take only a few years, but again the dates are uncertain.
@Ryansarcade9 Agreed, a wonderful series I hope there are more, he is such an interesting speaker and I am already making notes of the books that have been mentioned but hope they will be on kindle at some stage.
It is difficult to listen to Price because he sees so clearly through the conflicts and inconsistencies in the bible but then does not apply the same level of critical scrutiny when it comes to say, US propaganda.. (The 911 attacks being but one example)./ He just accepts what the TV says...instead of looking at the facts himself (and determining as any reasonable would, that the official story of 911 could not possibly be true
winston2015 1 month ago
Does he say at 2:45 'fault line' or 'folk line'?
sirdelrio 5 months ago
I hate seeing someone for the first time after listening to them talk for hours. Rob is supposed to look a lot older, and much more grizzled with a voice like that.
TheStann 9 months ago
People look at the bible too simply.The obvious thing (if you want it to make sense)is u must pick &choose. It was written in the ancient world. When u read about 'walking on water' that is an obvious allegorical allusion to rising above the material plane. (water being an ancient symbol of matter.. and the whole bible is like this.
Look at mysticism or esoteric Judaism. It must all be cognitive or what good would it be? 'the kingdom of heaven is within.' Price is historian and not a mystic.
winston2015 10 months ago
@OppressedAtheist By the way, I am NOT a christian nor do I have any particular commitment to theism or any other -ism. I just cannot abide the mirror opposite fundamentalism of the so-called "new atheists" (actually its a very old atheism, badly repackaged) who attempt to debunk all religion and religious beliefs on the basis of their very narrow definition of reason. They all believe in "scientism" which is a decidedly unreasonable superstition. Dawkins and his ilk disgust me.
bayreuth79 10 months ago
@bayreuth79
I would not group Dr. Price with the "New Atheists". He does not try to "debunk" religion as the New Atheists seem to.
WilhelmDrake 9 months ago
@OppressedAtheist It is all too convenient for atheists such as yourself to argue that Jesus didn't existed- even though the consensus of scholars (that is, ppl who specialize in ancient middle eastern hisory) say that the evidence for the historical existence of Jesus is overwhelming. It is all too convenient, which makes me suspect your objectivity, I'm afraid.
I have no idea whatsoever why you corrected me regarding Ehrman not being an atheist but an agnostic. It does nothing to my argument
bayreuth79 10 months ago
@bayreuth79 How is it "overwhelming evidence?" There's no writings by Jesus, no accounts of any of the events of the gospels outside of the gospels. They are not even eyewitness accounts, and scholars don't even really know who the gospels writers were. He may have existed, but you're starting with a positive conclusion: 'Jesus existed' and justifying it backwards. Show us this overwhelming evidence. You can't use the bible to prove itself.
snipebob 9 months ago
@OppressedAtheist I wonder if your interpretation of the historical data has been biased at all by your atheism? If you respond that you are just taking an objective look at the evidence and this has formed your agnosticism as to the existence of Jesus, I would want to say that there is no such thing as an objective look at anything, only feeble attempts. Bart D Ehrman also pointed out that it is the consensus amongst scholars that Jesus existed. Who are you to go against the consensus?!
bayreuth79 10 months ago
No serious historian doubts the existence of Jesus. Robert Price, I'm afraid, is not a serious historian. Bart D Ehrman- who is no friend of christianity and in fact he's an atheist- regards it as patently absurd that Jesus didn't exist. If you are going to doubt that Jesus existed, then you are going to have to doubt that many other historical figures didn't exist as well, like Caesar. For God's sake, wake up! Bob Price is a mediocre scholar.
bayreuth79 11 months ago
@bayreuth79 Did you like, just spell the man's name wrong. and called him Bob?.
TheEpicion 10 months ago
@TheEpicion Bob is short for Robert. Hence Bob (Robert) Price- the mediocre so-called historian. BOB Price(less) moron.
bayreuth79 10 months ago
@bayreuth79 But there is ample documented evidence from the time of Caesar about his existence. Not so for Jesus. All the people and historians who lived at the time of Jesus are silent on there being a man by this name. It isn't until almost 100 years after the death of Jesus that mention is made of him, and as time goes by his story grows and we hear more about his life and teachings, starting with Paul, who saw him in a vision. Paul says nothing about Jesus as a man. So was he man or spirit?
autumnbowler 10 months ago
@bayreuth79
Praise Jebus! God bless Israel!
ZOGcorp 9 months ago
Price is a brilliant guy, his podcast is epic.
jumalaism 11 months ago
Why didn't the Christians go with Apollonius instead, with there being at least SOME evidence that he existed.
Of course I guess the curses/exclamations "Holy Apollonius!" or "Apollonius Christ!" doesn't exactly roll off the tongue as smoothly as the Jesus ones do :)
AGrandt 1 year ago
Do you happen to know where I can find the source Price references about Apollonius? All I've ever heard xtians say is that all the sources for Apollonius come way after the sources for xtianity. Which, even though I think that's bullshit, I never could find a source to refute them.
MisterBoswell 1 year ago
@MisterBoswell Sorry, but all I can do is point you to Wikipedia, and according to that site Apollonius was a contemporary of Jesus give or take only a few years, but again the dates are uncertain.
The name to search for is "Apollonius of Tyana"
AGrandt 1 year ago
Price is a great speaker/communicater. Probably a comes from his preaching experience.
drflynn73 1 year ago
additional citation:
Tillich: fundamentalism demonic 3:13
gerede1 2 years ago
Sources mentioned by Robert Price
PART 2
Van A. Harvey, _The Historian and Believer: The Morality of Historical Knowledge and Christian Belief_ 2:00
Collingwood, _The Principles of History_ (?) 5:00
F. H. Bradley, _The Presuppositions of Critical History_ 5:12
Bernard Lewis, _History: Remembered, Recovered, Invented_ 5:50
Robert Price, _The Widow Traditions in Luke-Acts: A Feminist Critical Scrutiny_ 8:34
Ernst Troeltsch, [no title provided, _Religion in History_? principle of analogy] 10:24
gerede1 2 years ago 16
These videos soooo don't get enough views. This video ought to have over a million views.
Ryansarcade9 2 years ago 20
@Ryansarcade9 Agreed, a wonderful series I hope there are more, he is such an interesting speaker and I am already making notes of the books that have been mentioned but hope they will be on kindle at some stage.
Tridhos 1 year ago
The Fundamentalist on the war path against the unbeliever in his own mind (3:30).
Powerful stuff, with one Robert behind the camera and one in front of it. Thanks for sharing!
leporidus 2 years ago 3