this topic is serious for bill maher, hes trying to make jokes and no1 is laughing,that slow guy with the white has no idea so he tries to turn to insults, what a moron, good on you george keep tell it like it is...i think deep down people just want to justify thier hatred and racism...theres no way in the world anyone can justify iraq,afghanistan the illegal state of israel (refer to the balfour declaration) and even vietnam, how can you justify mass killing, its as clear as day
Maher is a bit superficial when confronted with three very intelligent and experienced interviewees - he relies on glib jokes to disguise the fact that he doesn't always get the point
@THthefirst Bill Maher is fairly clueless. No doubt. He's no leader......he's a follower at best.........actually, he makes tons of money making fun of other people and their religions.......on balance, he's fairly worthless, just like Hitchens and his attempted validation of the faux precepts of the War On Terror.
I don't think we should be solely anti muslim, but anti ideology period. Of course atm islam extremism is the bigges threat. But there have been many Christian Ideological atrocities like the crusades, witch trials and spanish inquisition as Hindu ideology has created an awful caste systm as has Atheistic MArxism created Stalin. We should fight dogma totally
@moroney1 I'm not sure those count as modern, and vocal youtube catholics might fight you to the death over the legitamacy of those claims, but I agree.
@moroney1 I judge "modern" by how many people alive today were actually involved. While there's still a good number of the ordinary citizens still alive from back then, but not many of the people who were actually in power.
Alos, i hadn't heard the vatican had apologiesed! Do you know where i can find the apology? I'd like to read it :) progresss has been made =D
@gleehmee I judge modern as a history student lol, it might not be modern in terms of maybe how we view it everyday lol. Hmmm, im not sure where exactly you could find such apology online, but ive seen it on tv and it has been written about by Hitchens
@moroney1 You don't define it either. But ideology usually means a system of beliefs or values. So, for instance, a political party could have ideology to help the poor.
@DawnOfTheDead991 And? Why are you pointing out the obvious? I clearly said in that comment you responded to that ''of course atm islam extremism is the biggest threat''. That however doesnt change the fact that the problem that underscores them all is a dogmatic metality and it is such dogma, not Islam solely that should be fought against.
And btw the Hindu caste system can still be seen as a prominent force in parts of India
Every single citizen of the USA should read George Orwell 1984.This may be a piece of fiction but it could be a lot closer to what your going to get if you don't put a stop the withering away of your rights.You are to blame.If you are not prepared to take action now then don't complain when you are forced into a Fema Camp for your own safety.The warning signs are there.
I can't stand Hitchens he IS a pompous prick. Just listen to the democracynow debate with George Galloway where he warns ('threatens') the crowd with his big brother snipe. Hitchens is an Imperialist 'poppin-jaye' who denies that colonialism has had any affect on the minds and hearts of so-called Terrorists...
Great point about cuba. The united states Writes history and we all swallow it. the US has directly committed or orchestrated so many deaths arounf the world, from south american to Loas.
Listen to these worthless libtards clapping at 3:50. If you don't like our Country then take a flyin "F" in leap somewhere else. You are a big part of our problem in the US today, which is a false sense of entitlement, instead of being grateful that you don't live some place where your weak ass would be eaten alive! The "Great" generation, many of who are still alive, must be sickened by ppl like you!
Americans are mad at the direction in which this country is going. Wanting to keep this country's freedom from disappearing into a corrupt cesspool is the entire point.
If you want to stereotype anyone you disagree with as a "libtard" by my guest. But take your 42 year old ass to school and google "Top 10 Civil Liberties Violations That Helped Cause the American Revolution" these are the things our government (right AND left wing) are trampling. Be a good American, read.
@cowboysfan782008 I am sickened too by them and by jingoistic bigoted patriots like you who A) don't know what you are talking about. B) claim to love the Constitution yet want people who disagree with you to leave.
Galloway defends a bunch of savages who riot, kill and burn over a cartoon or some preacher who burned his own Koran on his own land. They invented Bin Laden? No Bin Laden willingly went to Afghanistan then finagled some arms from the USA.
@DawnOfTheDead991 Did you see the celebrations in streets of the USA when Bin laden was supposedly killed.Galloway like it or not speaks the truth and for the brainwashed Americans its a bitter pill to swallow.
@thevster1603 Hitchens is just as bad? How can you possibly say that with all of the vile, contemptible actions of which you've just accused Galloway? Please tell me one thing Hitchens has done that is equivalent to any of the things you've listed to describe Galloway.
I believe that all parties involved share some blame in this mess. We didn't help the situation over there at all (in fact we inflamed it), but it's not like we somehow invented fundamentalist Islam. It was as batshit crazy as the fundamentalist Christians were.
Now George Galloway is working for the Iranian TV news channel called Press TV who refused to carry the news of the demonstrations during their own Iranian election in 2009.
@SirHappyThe1st - bullshit, this is a democratic country, he is free to express his opinion, he is not a traitor becuause you disagree with him - typical you talk about securing peoples rights around the world but you call people traitors for expressing views
@dan11009 There's a difference between expressing your views and actively supporting people who seek to commit acts of murder and mayhem in our country. That, I think you will find, is the very definition of treason.
@Melanth89 - well I dont support anyone that wants to commit acts of murder and mayhem - including the US government << see what Ive done there, pure satire, thats just some of the dynamite im capable of
@BentHamad Well maybe you should give him one (only one) reason to respect you ?
Wherever muslims place their foot , there is death, destruction and poverty, but according to you - Islam is not to blame , its all Zionist plot ... Why should anybody respect you if you don't even respect yourselves ?
It sucks that idiots are convinced by Galloway's brand of terrorist apologizing. Hitchens hit the nail on the head: Galloway's nonsense is masochistic, not to mention cowardly.
Bin Laden's motive are simple. He wants Americans out of the middle east. The one thing me and him have in common. Can't really blame him (for that, anyway)...the brits, soviets, and americans have been there killing innocents and trying to take theyre land since the 1920s
@cbluver22 Bin laden wants to see a caliphate and thinks every infidel is a legitimate target for slaughter. I dont think anyone can blame anyone who wants US to leave the middle east. But instead of having a ghandi or martin luther king, you have a bin laden.
You make it seem as if he is a humanitarian and deserves the nobel prize. He only cares about muslim suffering, as islam teaches you to only care about other muslims. What does he think of muslims killing christians in nigeria/indonesia..
Proof it!! Show me a video where he mention "caliphate". Show me a video where he says he wants to kill every infidel.
Why are you changing the topic?. As if you in the first place knew anything about the injustice going on in the Muslim World. Do you know that the U.S military base in Saudi Arabia fired 1400 rockets into Yemen? Why? Why fire rockets knowing that it will give AlQaeda the opportunity to recruit Yemenis to fight with them?
Ummm, noo. If you had any intelligence what so ever you would that suicide bombing only began in Iraq and Afghanistan AFTER the US invasions. They do it to fight back and eliminate their invaders(i.e Amercians)>
And who said that they have to accept democracy? Who said democracy is the only way of life?
before us invasions= no democracy, therefore no suicide bombings
after us invasions= attempt at restoration of democracy, therefore suicide bombings
this was the only point i was trying to make, and nobody can deny this, and you have not even attempted to do so
anyway, your rejection of democracy shows you are a lost cause and slave to a fictional being with no real aspirations other than to get into a fictional heaven
If you really think that the US invaded Iraq and Afganistan to bring democracy, what about countries like Myanmar, China, Cuba, Swaizland,Eriteria, Niger andVietnam(which the US did invade, and did they bring "Democracy? No).
Have you seen Amercia's last two election? lol, do you call elceting that silly hillbilly twice "democracy"? I don't think so.
Profits and control is what motivated those invasions. Nothing else.
You cannot make profit through war, this is a well known fact. The comined cost of iraq and afghanistan have cost america over 1 trillion since 2001, so ur profit theory is wrong.
Much of what u have mentioned has been to do with america trying to get rid of communism, which is an undemocratic ideology, like Placing taliban in power (which admittedly was wrong in the long term) and invading vietnam, so these invasions were for the greater good of democracy, not "profits"
The American people did not make any profits. The American people are the one's that will be paying for these wars. None of the declared objectives of the American-led conquest of Afghanistan were achieved. The military campaign in Afghanistan did not capture or defeat Osama bin Laden, al-Qaeda was not found or destroyed. The one success of the American-led Afghan war was to clear the route for the American-led oil and gas pipe-line through the country.
@cbluver22 The iraq war was probably wrong as no WMDs were found. However, if it wasnt for the islamic insurgents, iraq would be up and running again. The us deposed saddam husein, an evil dictator, and established an iraqi police force. Instead ur undemocratic bastards would rather go back to the stone age and dedicate their lives to worshipping an imaginary man and oppresing women.
Your first paragraph amde me laugh. Yous still think that whole problem in Iraq has something to dowtih "Islamic insugents"?. The US were trying to kiss Saddam Hussiens ass for years, trying to get him to allow them to import their Oil. Saddam Hussein in 2000 insisted Iraq's oil be sold for euros insteda of US dollors. Do you knwo how much moeny the US could have lost b/c of his decisions. They didn't give a crap about the hings Saddam did. Look at the countries beloew the USA!
@cbluver22 i aint sayin the invasion of iraq has nothing to do with oil. Obviously the us has financial interests there. But this has nothing to do with my point. My point is simply about islam and why i dont like it. I am not defending george bush specifically, but i am defending the values we have in the west, and my unapologetically arogant and stubborn belief that the values of democracy and free speech and the best and only way to have a fair and moral society.
Well that's you opinion. But you can't honestly value "Democracy" and "Freedom of speech" and believe that millions of people on the other side of the world should be forced to follow through voilence. That's terrorism right there.
As for Islam, it is clear for me that you know little of it. Like most brainwashed fools you stupidly think that Al Qaeda wants to oppose Sharia to the West. So my challenge to you is this.
Can you provide any evidence to back up your claim?
US has never invaded cuba, burma, china, swaziland or niger.
It had a blockade around cuba, but they did have fucking nukes a stones throw away from USA. Even today u can go to jail for 5 years in cuba for connecting to the internet.
Burma and china are some of the least democratic countries in the world, with no freedom no elections NO NOTHING.
YES i call the system in america DEMOCRACY, i dont really understand ur stupid point abotu GWB being a hillbilly
I think you missed my point. You said that the reason the US invaded Iraq and Afghanistan was to bring "democracy" to the people. If America is so concerned about bringing democracy to nations on the other side of the world, why don't they invade those countries and bring the democracy as well.
Oh wait, they don't have the world's second greatest source of oil,like Iraq had nor do they need to put massive oil pipeline through their country.
@cbluver22 you cannot destroy al-qaeda, it is a multinational and secretive organisation, whos members can easily hide out in places like yemen. Its not something with a central HQ.
and i didnt say the REASON for invading them was democracy, the reason for afghanistan was 9/11. While they were there, since they deposed the taliban they decided that it would be better to bring in a democracy, so they did.
Your right. The reason they invaded Afghanistan was to get rid of the Taliban so they can install thier own puppet gov't(i,e "democracy") which will allow them to finish their projects. Imagine if the leaders of the Taliban choosed a US company to build those pipelines instead of an Argentian company? The US would have contined with their project in Afghanistan. But instead the Taliban refuse Unocal, just like Saddam refused to use US dollors.
@cbluver22 again u r talking about US financial interests in iraq and afghanistan. This is understandable in iraq. But what could usa really want so badly from a shithole like afghanistan that it would make it worth invading?
the reason for the invasion was simply in retaliation for 9/11. The taliban and alquaeda have very close links, with the wealthy saudi members of alqueda funding the taliban, and in return the taliban letting them hide in afghanistan. So the US had to invade and find them
" But what could usa really want so badly from a shithole like afghanistan that it would make it worth invading?"
If you only knew, how much Afghanistan is worth.
Watch this on youtube
watch?v=wvQJcMmPmsY
So you say that the Suadi were linked with Al Qaeda. Funny, b/c it was Saudis that "hijacked" the planes. Why wasn't Saudi Arabia attacked, Mister Brainswashed Tool?
@cbluver22 For your first point, i will once again repeat my conviction that democracy is the BEST and ONLY way. It does not have to be forced on to the people, but the people must be given the chance to vote and decide for themselves whether they want democracy or islamofacist dictatorship. Its like me wanting to liberate slaves, and you saying what if they want to be slaves? Nobody wants to be a slave!
" must be given the chance to vote and decide for themselves whether they want democracy"
From what me and the rest of the world sees they really don't have a choose to deny democracy do they? I mean seriously, bringing in 100,000 troops that fight and kill anyone who tries fight back, and let U.S officials set up puppets, i mean goverment officials to "represent" the people.
Their goals are not personal goals but their acts would be very rational given their ideologies.
@cbluver22 To be honesty, i just cant understand your argument about democracy. Maybe you or some of your friends enjoy the feeling of being enslaved, but you are in a minority. Everyone deserves to be free, vote and critisize the govt. You yourself are doing this now and i find it hypocritical you are against the invasion on the democratic side of it.
" Everyone deserves to be free, vote and critisize the govt."
Can you proof that Sharia is against that?
Go to your nearest library and pick up a history book, my friend. While Europe was in it's dark ages for centuries, the Muslims World lived under Sharia. The Muslim World produced the "Golden Age" that lasted for centuries. Baghdad, Iraq was the center of learning and the Muslims had the largest most tolerant and advance society that ever emerged.
@cbluver22 Maybe in cultures 100s of years old islam was advanced BUT HOW THE FUCK IS IT RELEVANT?
i dont care if your grandad shook hands with a jew in the "golden age" i care that today they chant things like "death to britain" and burn flags of western countries. Couple of days ago in iraq a church was attacked and people slaughtered.
The constitutional court of Turkey said sharia was "incompatible with the democratic regime" and "Democracy is the antithesis of sharia." This is TURKEY speakin
If you "don't care" then I strongly suggest you keep your mouth shut about Sharia. Your worried about a few Muslim shouting "death to Britian" and burning flags? Well Muslims in places in Iraq and Afghanistan are more worried if their house will be raided that night or if their fathers or brothers will be taken away without warning or if it's safe enough for their children to walk down the street.
Now his tactic may be wrong but his motives are humane. He wanted to help the Mujaheddin struggle againist the Soviet who masscered 2 million innccent Aghans. Al Qaeda helped train most Afghan and supplied them weapons and arms. The C.I.A comes along to also trained and funded the Mujaheddin only b/c they wanted to help anyone who was fighting the Soviet. Again, Osama knew that and he did not like that. He, like may others, knew what really motivated the US.
Oh come on. Are you saying the World's leading nations with technolgy and satelittes where the can see the hair on the back of a camel cannot find a group of men that they once trained and funded?
loooooooooool.
There is no "war on terror". How can their be a war againist terror when war itself is an act of terror? Look into the history of Alqaeda and you'll see that this has nothing to do with fighting againist reilgious fundamentalist.
@cbluver22 just out of interest, r u one of those conspiracists who believe that 9/11 was orchestrated by the us govt?
and no matter what technology u have, it is difficult to fight against people in their own land who are tough, resilient, and think that dying as a martyr will give them 72 virgins.
vietnam defeated us, taliban defeated ussr, and there are many other examples of guerilla warfare being more effective than technological armies.
So they blow themselves only so they can get their 72 virgins in heaven.
Again, can you show me a video or something where a member of the Taliban says that there doing all these to get 72 virgins? What a concidence. Iraqis and Afghans started blowing themselves just when the U.S invaded their lands
The Taliban defeated the USSR with the help of the C.I.A wo trained them. Surely it would be easy to track down some men one trained himselfs.
@cbluver22 The apparent mineral wealth of Afghanistan was only uncovered months ago, and the war started in 2001, so thats still 9 years of fighting in a shithole. The presence of minerals is likely, but the amount is probably exagurated, particularly by this general who wants an excuse to stay in afghanistan and fight. People are beginning to realise how useless the country is and want to leave, and this whole minerals thing will take decades to make money out of anyway.
Yes , the minerals worth "trillions" of dollars was finally CONFIRMED months ago. How would they have confirmed it if they didn't invade Afghanistan? Explain the deal the Bush administration tried to get with the Taliban to allow them to build the pipeline. Imagine, just imagine if the Taliban said yes and accepted and allowed them to build it. Of corse the US has the capability to know where all the world's richest minerals and oil are buried. They had their on eyes on Aghanistan
@cbluver22 Maybe you think sharia is "the way" but it certainly isnt the way, and the western way is miles better than oppresing women, killing infdels etc. This is not a matter of opinion and if u disagree, im sorry, u are simply WRONG.
Its very hard for me to have a serious debate with u on the afghan war. U dont believe alqaeda exists/believe they did 9/11. So your opinion is invalid to me and sensible people.
And i find it ironic a religious person is talking about things that dont exist lol
Typical typical typical typical typical typical typical brainwashed sheep. Enjoy living in the dark. Ignore the obvious inhumane acts and injustice and lies surrounding you. Don't act to surprise if "Al Qaeda" strikes again. Surely people like you fear what they don't understand. Surely people like you only want to hear what they want.Continue living life, and depend on BBC and FOX to tell you what goes on in the world.
@cbluver22 how can you question my objection to acts of injustice? I see acts of injustice all around, but i see most of them are committed by religion. You may argue that i get my news from biased sources, even though journalism is supposed to be unbiased, but you are biased yourself as a muslim who listens to some crackpot imam talk shit.
I am not in "denial" over who i think did 9/11. It was MUSLIMS. Your in denial u conspiratorial fool.
and its ironic a religous person calls me a sheep haha
How I'm I biased? I'm showing the other side of the story. I'm showing you the POV of millions of people, muslims and non-muslims alike. I condemn the cowardly act of Al Qaeda and it's ideology. I'm pointing out to sheeps like you the history of Al Qaeda so next time AL Qaeda carries out an attack, instead of repetitively stating that their motivation is Islam, you would think about WHY they did it.
Yes, because Islam instructs Muslims to fight and put an end to tyranny and opression on Muslim land. That is Jihad. What the media tries to do is make it sound all bad and evil.
Who? there's Muslims in kashmir, cheychia, ogaden,sudan,Iraq, Afghanistan, and palestine living under oppression and Muslims with cruel and ruthless dictators all over the Arab world.
There's nearly 2 billion muslims in the world. Who is "they"
Yes, some unislamicly kill innocents in order to make a statment, but not all do. It's hard to fight againist tyranny when those responsible for it are more poweerful. It's frustration,injustice,poverty etc, that is the root cause.
But he didn't. After 1.5 million were killed in the Gulf War, Osama had had enough and created a group which is now known as "Al Qaeda". The thing is is that AL Qaeda was not a big group. When the Soviets invaded Afghanistan in 1979, it was at that time Osama emerged as an important player.Coming from a multimillion dollar family, Osama was able to use his assets along with his connections to other wealthy contributors to help maintain the flow of fighters into Afghanistan.
@cbluver22 terrorism is still not properly defined, but to me it means trying get what you want by making the civilians and masses scared.
in the case of alquaeda, the motive for this terror is to fulfill their retarded islamic goals or having universal sharia law.
specifc us soldiers tactics are often evil, but in terms of the overall motive of the war, it is simply to destroy alquaeda and stop the terror they have caused in madrid, london, nyc, mumbai etc
Well I do agree with you on the definiation of a "terrorist"
But there's a saying.
" One man's terroist is another man's freedom fighter"
The fact that you think that Al Qaeda goal is to bring " universal sharia law." (which really doen't make any sense at all), shows that you just another sheeple that stupidly believes everythng you see on the little box sitting at your home.
@cbluver22 I agree with your saying about terrorism, and it would certainly apply to the mujahideen at the time of the was with USSR. However, it never has and never will apply to alquaeda who are a stateless organisation with purely religious motivations. They are based on the writings of Sayyid Qutb, who believe without Sharia, islam cannot exist and that sharia is a perfect system for society. They want the whole world to be muslim and adhere to Sharia, which is why they fought against USSR
LOL, Islam is Sharia. Sharia simply means " the way". Sharia is the "ruleS" Muslims follow such as avoiding alcohol, paying Zakat(charity), seeking knowledge, etc etc. AL Qaeda motives are not evil. It was not religion that motivated them, it was the anger and frustration towards the US and it's allies that sparked this. They use the strict interpretation of Mohammed Wahabi, and use it to justify their actions. They fought the USSR to help fight against invaders.
Saudi Arabia was nothing but a desert of bedouins that happend to be living on the world's largest oil reserve. Fortuntley for the power-hungry Amercia, the Saudis and some wealthy Amercian famlies (who had huge influences on Amercian congress and the decisoins they make) agreed to turn a land roamed by camels and goats into a land of world-wide business oppruntunities. Amazely, within a decade Saudi Arabis turned into a metropolis. Unfortuntley, the peple who took control...
@cbluver22 Let me just get this straight btw. I dont believe that the Saudi govt has anything to do with alqueda, but i believe there are many saudi individuals, some wealthy, who are willing to fight islam.
As for your history lesson, the main points are osama wants to help muslims and wants all non muslims out of muslim lands. This fits in with him wanting universal sharia perfectly as he wants muslims to retain their land where they can implement sharia law.
of Saudi Arabi were a group called "wahabis". Wahabis are a group dominated by men who follow their own sick intrepretation of Islam. Wahabis is absically what Al Qaeda was founded on. Anyways, in order to secure the 6 trillion dollors sitting in their banks, the "Royal" Saudi Family and Wealthy Amercian Familes made a deal that in order to keep that family in power over Saudi Arabia, the United States and Saudi Arabia will have a permeant "diplomatic relationship".
@cbluver22 You have repeated the point about how it doesnt make sense that the us cannot capture people who it helped to train.
Are you implying that the US is not trying to capture them or is deliberately letting them evade them?
I personally think that being trained by the best in the business, a country with experts and wealth like america, plus having the determination, resourcefulness, wealth and bind faith that these terrorists posses makes it hard to capture them.
Do you honestly think the super of the world with the world's strongest allies cannot find and put an end to the Taliban? Seriously? After 7 yrs, the Taliban is still strong and active. Funny isn't it?
Watch this documentary made by the BBC( you will like this)
In fact, just two weeks ago, the Obama administration has notified Congress of plans for a multiyear, multibillion-dollar weapons deal with Saudi Arabia. You see that's when the problem all started. Osama bin Laden did not like this. He did not like the fact that the United States had dozens of military bases in his nation and other neighbouing Muslim countries. Osama came from a rich welathy family so he could have ignored all that and lived the spoiled lived he had.
@cbluver22 As for your final point, i think u are very confused and caught between sensibility and loyalty to your muslim brothers. You admit that alquaeda orchastrated 9/11 but you still insist the reason for the invasion of afghanistan was to make money. The link between osama and 9/11 was established very quickly through the discovery and relsease of tapes, and the presence of minerals was found out very recently.
The chronology of events makes your stance hard to understand.
I never admitted that Al Qaeda was behind 9/11. lol i don't think some men in the caves of Afghanistan who desperately blow themselves with their poor technology can plan and accomplish 9/11. I'm not for AL Qaeda. Their ideology is sickening and helps no one, BUT it is their real motive that i and millions of others understand. Like I said it wasn't minerals that motivated the invasion it was the building of pipelines the US wanted to accomplish.
The Brave Honoruable Mujaheddin got influence by the Wahabis of Saudi Arabia and turned into the sick, cruel Taliban. Like the Soviet invasion, the U.S did not really care for the condition the Afghan lived under. They notice another opprutinity to make Trillions more. Companies like Unocol planned to build a pipeline across Turkmenistan, Afghanistan, and Pakistan. They tried negoitating with the Taliban, but it did not turn out well. So they invaded in 2001.
Using the excuse that they needed to fight off the Taliban who had something to do with 9/11 (which till now has not been proven). When you think of it, if the Taliban only allowed the US companies to build their oil pipeline and allowed it to turn into the "Central Asian SIlkroad"(quote by U.S General David Petraeus), Afghanistan would have turned into another Saudi Arabia. The thing is is that the Taliban refused, and Saddam Hussian refused and now Ahmedinejad is refusing.
George Galloway is a big liar! I have seen him talk really nice to the other side and calling for retaliation against thee west. Now you tell me how in the world do we have idiots commenting on how Galloway is right and Hitchens is wrong? The answer is simple Muslim Sympathizers! Bunch of ill informed losers you all are for taking that mans side in what is obviously a muslim created problem! Death to Israel says 1.5 billion idiots of islam... Um anyone see the big picture here? Koran says too!
@tuman555 People think because he is English and has a snooty accent he knows what he is talking about. He is educated but he uses it for an agenda. The man once wrote articles praising Saddam Hussein and socialism when Iraq was first taken over by him.
Imagine having someone from The BBC speaking on world politics and terrorism...Im from the UK and we dont trust the BBC. It has become a political wing of our ruling masters...BIG BROTHER COMMUNICATIONS...
If the Afghans have the right to fight the Soviets they have the same right to fight the US invasion as well! Invasion is invasion, regardless! Yes, Osama was orchestrated by USA!
Hitchens is correct, study history this problem of America and Islam goes back to Barbary Coast. The U.S. never did anything to Islam and taking are people without cause and excusde they use we are the infidel. Galloway is another 9/11 truther conspiary theory nut the fact is yes the U.S. did help Afghanstan against the russians but we did not creawte Bin Laden, he went there on his own.
A few Berbers pirates using their religion to justify their actions is no indictment of the religion of Islam. No more than the Crusades are an indictment of Christian intolerance of Islam, no more than the Holocaust is an indictment of Christian intolerance of Jews. Religious leaders are seldom representatives of of their denominations.
@JimmyeDallas what is the point you are geting at, that Hitchens was putting out historical facts not talking about indicment of either religion and Galloway being a conspiary nut.
My point is that there is no such thing as a conflict between Islam and America; it is entirely a geopolitical problem.
They attacked the World Trade Center and the Pentagon for a reason. If all they wanted to do was kill as many infidels as they could, then they would've targeted stadiums and inflicted even more indiscriminate murder.
historical facts? what about manifest destiny? was that a historical fact? his historical facts about muslims are meaningless as they do not apply to modern day muslims
I haven't said anything about religion, ergo: you can't know how much I know about religion, fuckface. Go lick Hitchens' fat balls if you like him so much.
And please learn how to spell before you challenge people's intellect.
The UAE royal who brutally tortured and humiliated someone on video; v=gF0GJ6mpchU And was found not guilty. Is why radical Islam exists, We arm and prop up these obscene regimes, They keep slaves in their homes, kill and rape. Private property elites own everything, no welfare, no justice. We get oil, they get inequality, death and murder. Unless we deal with the root of this terror, we can expect more. At least in Iran they have the sham of elections. no wonder they hate us.
Hitchens like the sound of his own Voice too. And when someone has a different point of view; he insults them before putting forward his viewpoint. I wouldn't trust either of them! When someone is not even willing to consider he/she may be wrong (like Hitchens), then it is pointless to debate them. Hitchens is a twat!
I'm no expert on these things, but whenever someone makes jokes after being accused of being wrong/slimy/two-faced instead of addressing the issue, I immediately think they are to be distrusted. Galloway strikes me as an untrustworthy person from the few video clips I've seen of him speaking.
turjo101 I took my hat off of you. That's exactly what I always asked myself. Another thing that amazed me was, when I heard one of the victims calling from flight 93. He called his mom from the airplane, and mentioned his first and last name. Well, when I call my mom, I usually say it's me or my first name regardless what the situation is. These pple know how Americans think and they took advantage of it.
I agree; Hitch did look around quite a bit, though I believe our eyes naturally focus on each other's mouths when speaking, rather than each others eyes. Also if you watch Hitch's debates he rarely looks at the person he's adressing, likes to play up the crowd I think.
this topic is serious for bill maher, hes trying to make jokes and no1 is laughing,that slow guy with the white has no idea so he tries to turn to insults, what a moron, good on you george keep tell it like it is...i think deep down people just want to justify thier hatred and racism...theres no way in the world anyone can justify iraq,afghanistan the illegal state of israel (refer to the balfour declaration) and even vietnam, how can you justify mass killing, its as clear as day
youtoob655 2 weeks ago
I love Hitchens but when he talks about foreign policy I lose all respect for him.
notlikemeification 1 month ago
Anti-Muslim hate. I notice the issue of U.S. and Int'l law and constitution isn't considered here.
corvusblog 1 month ago
Hitchens was truly insightful, brilliant and often wrong. Galloway is not a left-gatekeeper like Hitchens
peyotecactus 2 months ago
Hitchens is so pompous
and Galloway isn't completely right but is closer to the truth than the other 3 on here
philessexuk 2 months ago
ah hitchens, stop talking
5oodings 3 months ago
@5oodings We'll, he has. Forever.
DenOndeMister 2 months ago
Maher is a bit superficial when confronted with three very intelligent and experienced interviewees - he relies on glib jokes to disguise the fact that he doesn't always get the point
THthefirst 4 months ago 3
@THthefirst Bill Maher is fairly clueless. No doubt. He's no leader......he's a follower at best.........actually, he makes tons of money making fun of other people and their religions.......on balance, he's fairly worthless, just like Hitchens and his attempted validation of the faux precepts of the War On Terror.
corvusblog 1 month ago
Golloway defends terrorists, it's incredible
moroney1 5 months ago
You call those that Resist Occupation terrorists Rather than those that Are THE Occupiers.
Israel Occupies 4 nations right now (UN 242/338), and the USA about 130.
What Nations do Muslims Occupy against International law?
Idiot.
StSimonMartyr 2 months ago
@mrgimp420 I think anyone would if they were waterboarded.....
moroney1 5 months ago
George Galloway is brilliant. He has so much insight. I'm watching more G. Galloway...
phillisthebarbarian 5 months ago
I like Hitchens and all, but his views on the war on terror are soooo ridiculous, Sam Harris is the same way.
darthcaedus666 6 months ago
I don't think we should be solely anti muslim, but anti ideology period. Of course atm islam extremism is the bigges threat. But there have been many Christian Ideological atrocities like the crusades, witch trials and spanish inquisition as Hindu ideology has created an awful caste systm as has Atheistic MArxism created Stalin. We should fight dogma totally
moroney1 7 months ago 7
@moroney1 you listed historical christian atrocities, so I felt a modern one would help your case: Anders Breivik.
gleehmee 5 months ago
@gleehmee Also the Vatican's alliance with Nazism, or Franco and Musolini forces which were the right wing of the roman catholic church
moroney1 5 months ago
@moroney1 I'm not sure those count as modern, and vocal youtube catholics might fight you to the death over the legitamacy of those claims, but I agree.
gleehmee 5 months ago
@gleehmee it was only the last century, and catholics can fight me to the death all tehy want, the Vatican has had to admit it and apologise
moroney1 5 months ago
@moroney1 I judge "modern" by how many people alive today were actually involved. While there's still a good number of the ordinary citizens still alive from back then, but not many of the people who were actually in power.
Alos, i hadn't heard the vatican had apologiesed! Do you know where i can find the apology? I'd like to read it :) progresss has been made =D
gleehmee 5 months ago
@gleehmee I judge modern as a history student lol, it might not be modern in terms of maybe how we view it everyday lol. Hmmm, im not sure where exactly you could find such apology online, but ive seen it on tv and it has been written about by Hitchens
moroney1 5 months ago
@moroney1 oh goody. I enjoy his work! I don't agree with some of it but I enjoy it.
gleehmee 5 months ago
@moroney1 You say be anti-ideology, but are not many ideologies positive?
THthefirst 1 month ago
@THthefirst Depends on what you mean by ideology
moroney1 1 month ago
@moroney1 You don't define it either. But ideology usually means a system of beliefs or values. So, for instance, a political party could have ideology to help the poor.
THthefirst 1 month ago
@moroney1 Islamic extremism is the biggest threat today, everything else you mentioned is in the far past/
DawnOfTheDead991 1 month ago
@DawnOfTheDead991 And? Why are you pointing out the obvious? I clearly said in that comment you responded to that ''of course atm islam extremism is the biggest threat''. That however doesnt change the fact that the problem that underscores them all is a dogmatic metality and it is such dogma, not Islam solely that should be fought against.
And btw the Hindu caste system can still be seen as a prominent force in parts of India
moroney1 1 month ago
@moroney1 The Hindu caste system is on its way out. As well as it is confined mainly to India.
DawnOfTheDead991 1 month ago
@DawnOfTheDead991 ''mainly to India''
again why are you pointing out the obvious, I said that in my comment.
The point of my original statement was that the bigger problem is not just one dogma over another, but dogmatic principles in general.
moroney1 1 month ago
Every single citizen of the USA should read George Orwell 1984.This may be a piece of fiction but it could be a lot closer to what your going to get if you don't put a stop the withering away of your rights.You are to blame.If you are not prepared to take action now then don't complain when you are forced into a Fema Camp for your own safety.The warning signs are there.
Thensolomonsaid 8 months ago
@mrgimp420 he doesn't act like he is some Rambo type
DawnOfTheDead991 8 months ago
I can't stand Hitchens he IS a pompous prick. Just listen to the democracynow debate with George Galloway where he warns ('threatens') the crowd with his big brother snipe. Hitchens is an Imperialist 'poppin-jaye' who denies that colonialism has had any affect on the minds and hearts of so-called Terrorists...
MrPiccolop 8 months ago
@MrPiccolop if anyone else says otherwise they are protecting Hitchens from his dismissive arrogance.
MrPiccolop 8 months ago
Great point about cuba. The united states Writes history and we all swallow it. the US has directly committed or orchestrated so many deaths arounf the world, from south american to Loas.
DRVircavs 8 months ago
Listen to these worthless libtards clapping at 3:50. If you don't like our Country then take a flyin "F" in leap somewhere else. You are a big part of our problem in the US today, which is a false sense of entitlement, instead of being grateful that you don't live some place where your weak ass would be eaten alive! The "Great" generation, many of who are still alive, must be sickened by ppl like you!
cowboysfan782008 9 months ago
@cowboysfan782008
Not going along with the government when you disagree with what they say and do is how this country was started, fucktard.
gtg242m 9 months ago
@gtg242m Has nothing to do with that you ignorant 29 yr old child
cowboysfan782008 9 months ago
@cowboysfan782008
Americans are mad at the direction in which this country is going. Wanting to keep this country's freedom from disappearing into a corrupt cesspool is the entire point.
If you want to stereotype anyone you disagree with as a "libtard" by my guest. But take your 42 year old ass to school and google "Top 10 Civil Liberties Violations That Helped Cause the American Revolution" these are the things our government (right AND left wing) are trampling. Be a good American, read.
gtg242m 9 months ago
@cowboysfan782008 I am sickened too by them and by jingoistic bigoted patriots like you who A) don't know what you are talking about. B) claim to love the Constitution yet want people who disagree with you to leave.
DawnOfTheDead991 8 months ago
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@DawnOfTheDead991 I am not a bigot. You are just an ignorant idiot punk!
cowboysfan782008 8 months ago
Galloway defends a bunch of savages who riot, kill and burn over a cartoon or some preacher who burned his own Koran on his own land. They invented Bin Laden? No Bin Laden willingly went to Afghanistan then finagled some arms from the USA.
DawnOfTheDead991 9 months ago
@DawnOfTheDead991 Did you see the celebrations in streets of the USA when Bin laden was supposedly killed.Galloway like it or not speaks the truth and for the brainwashed Americans its a bitter pill to swallow.
Thensolomonsaid 8 months ago
@Thensolomonsaid As much as I despised Osama, I agree that celebrating a death of anyone is disturbing.
DawnOfTheDead991 8 months ago 8
fight them everywhere? go to hell,what morocco ? these stupid people dont know what there talking about exept george galloway ofcourse
NaBjE11 6 months ago
@DawnOfTheDead991 Why?
rangergxi 3 months ago
@DawnOfTheDead991 by the way the biggest celebrators of osama death is muslims not all of them ofcourse
smallville0forever 1 month ago
Galloway is a Muslim hack and a backer of jihad. He has his nose in some Muslim's butt 5 times a day.
DawnOfTheDead991 9 months ago
@thevster1603 Hitchens is just as bad? How can you possibly say that with all of the vile, contemptible actions of which you've just accused Galloway? Please tell me one thing Hitchens has done that is equivalent to any of the things you've listed to describe Galloway.
corr14 11 months ago
If I were Hitchens I would have gotten up and punched Galloway in the face, over and over and over....
corr14 11 months ago
I believe that all parties involved share some blame in this mess. We didn't help the situation over there at all (in fact we inflamed it), but it's not like we somehow invented fundamentalist Islam. It was as batshit crazy as the fundamentalist Christians were.
MyceliaProductions42 11 months ago
wait. wait. wait. wait. a BBC reporter who ISNT on the far left sticking up for muslims? *shotgun suicide*
NorthWeezy2010 11 months ago
I don't really agree with a lot of things Hitchens says, but fuck is he cool.
rossmacca1 11 months ago
Now George Galloway is working for the Iranian TV news channel called Press TV who refused to carry the news of the demonstrations during their own Iranian election in 2009.
Galloway is a traitor
SirHappyThe1st 1 year ago
@SirHappyThe1st - bullshit, this is a democratic country, he is free to express his opinion, he is not a traitor becuause you disagree with him - typical you talk about securing peoples rights around the world but you call people traitors for expressing views
dan11009 11 months ago
@dan11009 There's a difference between expressing your views and actively supporting people who seek to commit acts of murder and mayhem in our country. That, I think you will find, is the very definition of treason.
Melanth89 10 months ago
@Melanth89 - well I dont support anyone that wants to commit acts of murder and mayhem - including the US government << see what Ive done there, pure satire, thats just some of the dynamite im capable of
dan11009 10 months ago
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whattyhoo 1 year ago 2
@whattyhoo He's been many times and speaks openly there.
alienlifeform11 11 months ago
@BentHamad Well maybe you should give him one (only one) reason to respect you ?
Wherever muslims place their foot , there is death, destruction and poverty, but according to you - Islam is not to blame , its all Zionist plot ... Why should anybody respect you if you don't even respect yourselves ?
Mifodiy35 1 year ago
Hitchens > Galloway.
It sucks that idiots are convinced by Galloway's brand of terrorist apologizing. Hitchens hit the nail on the head: Galloway's nonsense is masochistic, not to mention cowardly.
parallel9745 1 year ago
9 months ago 2
Bin Laden's motive are simple. He wants Americans out of the middle east. The one thing me and him have in common. Can't really blame him (for that, anyway)...the brits, soviets, and americans have been there killing innocents and trying to take theyre land since the 1920s
cbluver22 1 year ago
@cbluver22 Bin laden wants to see a caliphate and thinks every infidel is a legitimate target for slaughter. I dont think anyone can blame anyone who wants US to leave the middle east. But instead of having a ghandi or martin luther king, you have a bin laden.
You make it seem as if he is a humanitarian and deserves the nobel prize. He only cares about muslim suffering, as islam teaches you to only care about other muslims. What does he think of muslims killing christians in nigeria/indonesia..
ArinArshavin 1 year ago
@ArinArshavin
" Bin laden wants to see a caliphater"
Proof it!! Show me a video where he mention "caliphate". Show me a video where he says he wants to kill every infidel.
Why are you changing the topic?. As if you in the first place knew anything about the injustice going on in the Muslim World. Do you know that the U.S military base in Saudi Arabia fired 1400 rockets into Yemen? Why? Why fire rockets knowing that it will give AlQaeda the opportunity to recruit Yemenis to fight with them?
cbluver22 1 year ago
chris hitchens is such a fking chicken hawk!!!
midgetman433 1 year ago
george galloway is pathetic
what idiot thinks they can empathise with suicide bombers and say the main reason is foreign policy
these people hate infadels and all they want is the spread of facist islam and will do anything to get rid of democracy wherever it is found
christopher hitchens RULES
ArinArshavin 1 year ago
@ArinArshavin
lol, yea. Those suicide bombers want to spread "fascist Islam" in a place where 99% of the population already follows Islam.
Good thinking. (not)
cbluver22 1 year ago
@cbluver22
they suicide bomb polling booths and terrorise voters in countries that are predominantly islamic (Iraq and Afghanistan)
Why?
Because islam is anti-democracy, as is facism (hence my comparison, not to mention other similarities like hate for jews).
They hate democracy and will destroy it anywhere, starting in their own backyard
ArinArshavin 1 year ago
@ArinArshavin
Ummm, noo. If you had any intelligence what so ever you would that suicide bombing only began in Iraq and Afghanistan AFTER the US invasions. They do it to fight back and eliminate their invaders(i.e Amercians)>
And who said that they have to accept democracy? Who said democracy is the only way of life?
Have some sense,will ya?
cbluver22 1 year ago
@cbluver22
haha my intelligence???
before us invasions= no democracy, therefore no suicide bombings
after us invasions= attempt at restoration of democracy, therefore suicide bombings
this was the only point i was trying to make, and nobody can deny this, and you have not even attempted to do so
anyway, your rejection of democracy shows you are a lost cause and slave to a fictional being with no real aspirations other than to get into a fictional heaven
YOU are the one who needs sense :)
ArinArshavin 1 year ago
@ArinArshavin
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL.
You think they invaded Afghanistan and Iraq to bring Democracy??
Please tell me your joking.
It was the U.S that put the Taliban in power in Afghanistan and it is the U.S that supports cruel dictators world-wide.
What kind of Amercian are you?
lol, do some research on your countries foreign policies and you'll see that Amercia has no intention on bringing "democracy" to anyone.
cbluver22 1 year ago
@ArinArshavin
If you really think that the US invaded Iraq and Afganistan to bring democracy, what about countries like Myanmar, China, Cuba, Swaizland,Eriteria, Niger andVietnam(which the US did invade, and did they bring "Democracy? No).
Have you seen Amercia's last two election? lol, do you call elceting that silly hillbilly twice "democracy"? I don't think so.
Profits and control is what motivated those invasions. Nothing else.
cbluver22 1 year ago
@cbluver22
Profits?
You cannot make profit through war, this is a well known fact. The comined cost of iraq and afghanistan have cost america over 1 trillion since 2001, so ur profit theory is wrong.
Much of what u have mentioned has been to do with america trying to get rid of communism, which is an undemocratic ideology, like Placing taliban in power (which admittedly was wrong in the long term) and invading vietnam, so these invasions were for the greater good of democracy, not "profits"
ArinArshavin 1 year ago
@ArinArshavin
The American people did not make any profits. The American people are the one's that will be paying for these wars. None of the declared objectives of the American-led conquest of Afghanistan were achieved. The military campaign in Afghanistan did not capture or defeat Osama bin Laden, al-Qaeda was not found or destroyed. The one success of the American-led Afghan war was to clear the route for the American-led oil and gas pipe-line through the country.
cbluver22 1 year ago
@cbluver22 The iraq war was probably wrong as no WMDs were found. However, if it wasnt for the islamic insurgents, iraq would be up and running again. The us deposed saddam husein, an evil dictator, and established an iraqi police force. Instead ur undemocratic bastards would rather go back to the stone age and dedicate their lives to worshipping an imaginary man and oppresing women.
ArinArshavin 1 year ago
@ArinArshavin
Your first paragraph amde me laugh. Yous still think that whole problem in Iraq has something to dowtih "Islamic insugents"?. The US were trying to kiss Saddam Hussiens ass for years, trying to get him to allow them to import their Oil. Saddam Hussein in 2000 insisted Iraq's oil be sold for euros insteda of US dollors. Do you knwo how much moeny the US could have lost b/c of his decisions. They didn't give a crap about the hings Saddam did. Look at the countries beloew the USA!
cbluver22 1 year ago
@cbluver22 i aint sayin the invasion of iraq has nothing to do with oil. Obviously the us has financial interests there. But this has nothing to do with my point. My point is simply about islam and why i dont like it. I am not defending george bush specifically, but i am defending the values we have in the west, and my unapologetically arogant and stubborn belief that the values of democracy and free speech and the best and only way to have a fair and moral society.
ArinArshavin 1 year ago
@ArinArshavin
Well that's you opinion. But you can't honestly value "Democracy" and "Freedom of speech" and believe that millions of people on the other side of the world should be forced to follow through voilence. That's terrorism right there.
As for Islam, it is clear for me that you know little of it. Like most brainwashed fools you stupidly think that Al Qaeda wants to oppose Sharia to the West. So my challenge to you is this.
Can you provide any evidence to back up your claim?
cbluver22 1 year ago
@cbluver22
US has never invaded cuba, burma, china, swaziland or niger.
It had a blockade around cuba, but they did have fucking nukes a stones throw away from USA. Even today u can go to jail for 5 years in cuba for connecting to the internet.
Burma and china are some of the least democratic countries in the world, with no freedom no elections NO NOTHING.
YES i call the system in america DEMOCRACY, i dont really understand ur stupid point abotu GWB being a hillbilly
and im from UK not USA
ArinArshavin 1 year ago
@ArinArshavin
I think you missed my point. You said that the reason the US invaded Iraq and Afghanistan was to bring "democracy" to the people. If America is so concerned about bringing democracy to nations on the other side of the world, why don't they invade those countries and bring the democracy as well.
Oh wait, they don't have the world's second greatest source of oil,like Iraq had nor do they need to put massive oil pipeline through their country.
Halliburton, KBR, etc profited.
cbluver22 1 year ago
@cbluver22 you cannot destroy al-qaeda, it is a multinational and secretive organisation, whos members can easily hide out in places like yemen. Its not something with a central HQ.
and i didnt say the REASON for invading them was democracy, the reason for afghanistan was 9/11. While they were there, since they deposed the taliban they decided that it would be better to bring in a democracy, so they did.
ArinArshavin 1 year ago
@ArinArshavin
Your right. The reason they invaded Afghanistan was to get rid of the Taliban so they can install thier own puppet gov't(i,e "democracy") which will allow them to finish their projects. Imagine if the leaders of the Taliban choosed a US company to build those pipelines instead of an Argentian company? The US would have contined with their project in Afghanistan. But instead the Taliban refuse Unocal, just like Saddam refused to use US dollors.
This is all imperialism.
cbluver22 1 year ago
@cbluver22 again u r talking about US financial interests in iraq and afghanistan. This is understandable in iraq. But what could usa really want so badly from a shithole like afghanistan that it would make it worth invading?
the reason for the invasion was simply in retaliation for 9/11. The taliban and alquaeda have very close links, with the wealthy saudi members of alqueda funding the taliban, and in return the taliban letting them hide in afghanistan. So the US had to invade and find them
ArinArshavin 1 year ago
@ArinArshavin
" But what could usa really want so badly from a shithole like afghanistan that it would make it worth invading?"
If you only knew, how much Afghanistan is worth.
Watch this on youtube
watch?v=wvQJcMmPmsY
So you say that the Suadi were linked with Al Qaeda. Funny, b/c it was Saudis that "hijacked" the planes. Why wasn't Saudi Arabia attacked, Mister Brainswashed Tool?
cbluver22 1 year ago
@cbluver22 For your first point, i will once again repeat my conviction that democracy is the BEST and ONLY way. It does not have to be forced on to the people, but the people must be given the chance to vote and decide for themselves whether they want democracy or islamofacist dictatorship. Its like me wanting to liberate slaves, and you saying what if they want to be slaves? Nobody wants to be a slave!
Here are suicide bombers talking about virgins:
watch?v=LxZXQerkrJE
ArinArshavin 1 year ago
@ArinArshavin
" must be given the chance to vote and decide for themselves whether they want democracy"
From what me and the rest of the world sees they really don't have a choose to deny democracy do they? I mean seriously, bringing in 100,000 troops that fight and kill anyone who tries fight back, and let U.S officials set up puppets, i mean goverment officials to "represent" the people.
Their goals are not personal goals but their acts would be very rational given their ideologies.
cbluver22 1 year ago
@cbluver22 To be honesty, i just cant understand your argument about democracy. Maybe you or some of your friends enjoy the feeling of being enslaved, but you are in a minority. Everyone deserves to be free, vote and critisize the govt. You yourself are doing this now and i find it hypocritical you are against the invasion on the democratic side of it.
ArinArshavin 1 year ago
@ArinArshavin
" Everyone deserves to be free, vote and critisize the govt."
Can you proof that Sharia is against that?
Go to your nearest library and pick up a history book, my friend. While Europe was in it's dark ages for centuries, the Muslims World lived under Sharia. The Muslim World produced the "Golden Age" that lasted for centuries. Baghdad, Iraq was the center of learning and the Muslims had the largest most tolerant and advance society that ever emerged.
Learn before you speak.
cbluver22 1 year ago
@cbluver22 Maybe in cultures 100s of years old islam was advanced BUT HOW THE FUCK IS IT RELEVANT?
i dont care if your grandad shook hands with a jew in the "golden age" i care that today they chant things like "death to britain" and burn flags of western countries. Couple of days ago in iraq a church was attacked and people slaughtered.
The constitutional court of Turkey said sharia was "incompatible with the democratic regime" and "Democracy is the antithesis of sharia." This is TURKEY speakin
ArinArshavin 1 year ago
@ArinArshavin
If you "don't care" then I strongly suggest you keep your mouth shut about Sharia. Your worried about a few Muslim shouting "death to Britian" and burning flags? Well Muslims in places in Iraq and Afghanistan are more worried if their house will be raided that night or if their fathers or brothers will be taken away without warning or if it's safe enough for their children to walk down the street.
cbluver22 1 year ago
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@ArinArshavin Islam may have been more advanced 1000 years ago, but they never progressed
DawnOfTheDead991 9 months ago
@ArinArshavin
Now his tactic may be wrong but his motives are humane. He wanted to help the Mujaheddin struggle againist the Soviet who masscered 2 million innccent Aghans. Al Qaeda helped train most Afghan and supplied them weapons and arms. The C.I.A comes along to also trained and funded the Mujaheddin only b/c they wanted to help anyone who was fighting the Soviet. Again, Osama knew that and he did not like that. He, like may others, knew what really motivated the US.
cbluver22 1 year ago
@ArinArshavin
Oh come on. Are you saying the World's leading nations with technolgy and satelittes where the can see the hair on the back of a camel cannot find a group of men that they once trained and funded?
loooooooooool.
There is no "war on terror". How can their be a war againist terror when war itself is an act of terror? Look into the history of Alqaeda and you'll see that this has nothing to do with fighting againist reilgious fundamentalist.
You've been played.
cbluver22 1 year ago
@cbluver22 just out of interest, r u one of those conspiracists who believe that 9/11 was orchestrated by the us govt?
and no matter what technology u have, it is difficult to fight against people in their own land who are tough, resilient, and think that dying as a martyr will give them 72 virgins.
vietnam defeated us, taliban defeated ussr, and there are many other examples of guerilla warfare being more effective than technological armies.
ArinArshavin 1 year ago
@ArinArshavin
So they blow themselves only so they can get their 72 virgins in heaven.
Again, can you show me a video or something where a member of the Taliban says that there doing all these to get 72 virgins? What a concidence. Iraqis and Afghans started blowing themselves just when the U.S invaded their lands
The Taliban defeated the USSR with the help of the C.I.A wo trained them. Surely it would be easy to track down some men one trained himselfs.
cbluver22 1 year ago
@cbluver22 The apparent mineral wealth of Afghanistan was only uncovered months ago, and the war started in 2001, so thats still 9 years of fighting in a shithole. The presence of minerals is likely, but the amount is probably exagurated, particularly by this general who wants an excuse to stay in afghanistan and fight. People are beginning to realise how useless the country is and want to leave, and this whole minerals thing will take decades to make money out of anyway.
ArinArshavin 1 year ago
@ArinArshavin
Yes , the minerals worth "trillions" of dollars was finally CONFIRMED months ago. How would they have confirmed it if they didn't invade Afghanistan? Explain the deal the Bush administration tried to get with the Taliban to allow them to build the pipeline. Imagine, just imagine if the Taliban said yes and accepted and allowed them to build it. Of corse the US has the capability to know where all the world's richest minerals and oil are buried. They had their on eyes on Aghanistan
cbluver22 1 year ago
@cbluver22 Maybe you think sharia is "the way" but it certainly isnt the way, and the western way is miles better than oppresing women, killing infdels etc. This is not a matter of opinion and if u disagree, im sorry, u are simply WRONG.
Its very hard for me to have a serious debate with u on the afghan war. U dont believe alqaeda exists/believe they did 9/11. So your opinion is invalid to me and sensible people.
And i find it ironic a religious person is talking about things that dont exist lol
ArinArshavin 1 year ago
@ArinArshavin
Typical typical typical typical typical typical typical brainwashed sheep. Enjoy living in the dark. Ignore the obvious inhumane acts and injustice and lies surrounding you. Don't act to surprise if "Al Qaeda" strikes again. Surely people like you fear what they don't understand. Surely people like you only want to hear what they want.Continue living life, and depend on BBC and FOX to tell you what goes on in the world.
Let's see where ignorance and denial takes you.
cbluver22 1 year ago
@cbluver22 how can you question my objection to acts of injustice? I see acts of injustice all around, but i see most of them are committed by religion. You may argue that i get my news from biased sources, even though journalism is supposed to be unbiased, but you are biased yourself as a muslim who listens to some crackpot imam talk shit.
I am not in "denial" over who i think did 9/11. It was MUSLIMS. Your in denial u conspiratorial fool.
and its ironic a religous person calls me a sheep haha
ArinArshavin 1 year ago
@ArinArshavin
How I'm I biased? I'm showing the other side of the story. I'm showing you the POV of millions of people, muslims and non-muslims alike. I condemn the cowardly act of Al Qaeda and it's ideology. I'm pointing out to sheeps like you the history of Al Qaeda so next time AL Qaeda carries out an attack, instead of repetitively stating that their motivation is Islam, you would think about WHY they did it.
cbluver22 1 year ago 2
@cbluver22 "you would think about WHY they did it"
Thtas is fundamentally THE most important question. Why!
hexusziggurat 1 year ago
@cbluver They themselves claim the Koran and religion are what motivate them
DawnOfTheDead991 8 months ago
@DawnOfTheDead991
Yes, because Islam instructs Muslims to fight and put an end to tyranny and opression on Muslim land. That is Jihad. What the media tries to do is make it sound all bad and evil.
cbluver22 8 months ago
@cbluver22 Funny but they seem to do a better job of creating tyranny and injustice than in stopping it
DawnOfTheDead991 8 months ago
@DawnOfTheDead991
Who? there's Muslims in kashmir, cheychia, ogaden,sudan,Iraq, Afghanistan, and palestine living under oppression and Muslims with cruel and ruthless dictators all over the Arab world.
There's nearly 2 billion muslims in the world. Who is "they"
Yes, some unislamicly kill innocents in order to make a statment, but not all do. It's hard to fight againist tyranny when those responsible for it are more poweerful. It's frustration,injustice,poverty etc, that is the root cause.
cbluver22 8 months ago
@ArinArshavin
But he didn't. After 1.5 million were killed in the Gulf War, Osama had had enough and created a group which is now known as "Al Qaeda". The thing is is that AL Qaeda was not a big group. When the Soviets invaded Afghanistan in 1979, it was at that time Osama emerged as an important player.Coming from a multimillion dollar family, Osama was able to use his assets along with his connections to other wealthy contributors to help maintain the flow of fighters into Afghanistan.
cbluver22 1 year ago
@cbluver22 terrorism is still not properly defined, but to me it means trying get what you want by making the civilians and masses scared.
in the case of alquaeda, the motive for this terror is to fulfill their retarded islamic goals or having universal sharia law.
specifc us soldiers tactics are often evil, but in terms of the overall motive of the war, it is simply to destroy alquaeda and stop the terror they have caused in madrid, london, nyc, mumbai etc
and as a muslim, YOUVE BEEN PLAYED
ArinArshavin 1 year ago
@ArinArshavin
Well I do agree with you on the definiation of a "terrorist"
But there's a saying.
" One man's terroist is another man's freedom fighter"
The fact that you think that Al Qaeda goal is to bring " universal sharia law." (which really doen't make any sense at all), shows that you just another sheeple that stupidly believes everythng you see on the little box sitting at your home.
Here's how this "war on terror" all started.
cbluver22 1 year ago
@cbluver22 I agree with your saying about terrorism, and it would certainly apply to the mujahideen at the time of the was with USSR. However, it never has and never will apply to alquaeda who are a stateless organisation with purely religious motivations. They are based on the writings of Sayyid Qutb, who believe without Sharia, islam cannot exist and that sharia is a perfect system for society. They want the whole world to be muslim and adhere to Sharia, which is why they fought against USSR
ArinArshavin 1 year ago
@ArinArshavin
LOL, Islam is Sharia. Sharia simply means " the way". Sharia is the "ruleS" Muslims follow such as avoiding alcohol, paying Zakat(charity), seeking knowledge, etc etc. AL Qaeda motives are not evil. It was not religion that motivated them, it was the anger and frustration towards the US and it's allies that sparked this. They use the strict interpretation of Mohammed Wahabi, and use it to justify their actions. They fought the USSR to help fight against invaders.
cbluver22 1 year ago
@ArinArshavin
Saudi Arabia was nothing but a desert of bedouins that happend to be living on the world's largest oil reserve. Fortuntley for the power-hungry Amercia, the Saudis and some wealthy Amercian famlies (who had huge influences on Amercian congress and the decisoins they make) agreed to turn a land roamed by camels and goats into a land of world-wide business oppruntunities. Amazely, within a decade Saudi Arabis turned into a metropolis. Unfortuntley, the peple who took control...
cbluver22 1 year ago
@cbluver22 Let me just get this straight btw. I dont believe that the Saudi govt has anything to do with alqueda, but i believe there are many saudi individuals, some wealthy, who are willing to fight islam.
As for your history lesson, the main points are osama wants to help muslims and wants all non muslims out of muslim lands. This fits in with him wanting universal sharia perfectly as he wants muslims to retain their land where they can implement sharia law.
ArinArshavin 1 year ago
@ArinArshavin
of Saudi Arabi were a group called "wahabis". Wahabis are a group dominated by men who follow their own sick intrepretation of Islam. Wahabis is absically what Al Qaeda was founded on. Anyways, in order to secure the 6 trillion dollors sitting in their banks, the "Royal" Saudi Family and Wealthy Amercian Familes made a deal that in order to keep that family in power over Saudi Arabia, the United States and Saudi Arabia will have a permeant "diplomatic relationship".
cbluver22 1 year ago
@cbluver22 You have repeated the point about how it doesnt make sense that the us cannot capture people who it helped to train.
Are you implying that the US is not trying to capture them or is deliberately letting them evade them?
I personally think that being trained by the best in the business, a country with experts and wealth like america, plus having the determination, resourcefulness, wealth and bind faith that these terrorists posses makes it hard to capture them.
ArinArshavin 1 year ago
@ArinArshavin
Do you honestly think the super of the world with the world's strongest allies cannot find and put an end to the Taliban? Seriously? After 7 yrs, the Taliban is still strong and active. Funny isn't it?
Watch this documentary made by the BBC( you will like this)
watch?v=ek7ZHenQnu4&feature=related
cbluver22 1 year ago
@ArinArshavin
In fact, just two weeks ago, the Obama administration has notified Congress of plans for a multiyear, multibillion-dollar weapons deal with Saudi Arabia. You see that's when the problem all started. Osama bin Laden did not like this. He did not like the fact that the United States had dozens of military bases in his nation and other neighbouing Muslim countries. Osama came from a rich welathy family so he could have ignored all that and lived the spoiled lived he had.
cbluver22 1 year ago
@cbluver22 As for your final point, i think u are very confused and caught between sensibility and loyalty to your muslim brothers. You admit that alquaeda orchastrated 9/11 but you still insist the reason for the invasion of afghanistan was to make money. The link between osama and 9/11 was established very quickly through the discovery and relsease of tapes, and the presence of minerals was found out very recently.
The chronology of events makes your stance hard to understand.
Please clarify
ArinArshavin 1 year ago
@ArinArshavin
I never admitted that Al Qaeda was behind 9/11. lol i don't think some men in the caves of Afghanistan who desperately blow themselves with their poor technology can plan and accomplish 9/11. I'm not for AL Qaeda. Their ideology is sickening and helps no one, BUT it is their real motive that i and millions of others understand. Like I said it wasn't minerals that motivated the invasion it was the building of pipelines the US wanted to accomplish.
cbluver22 1 year ago
@ArinArshavin
The Brave Honoruable Mujaheddin got influence by the Wahabis of Saudi Arabia and turned into the sick, cruel Taliban. Like the Soviet invasion, the U.S did not really care for the condition the Afghan lived under. They notice another opprutinity to make Trillions more. Companies like Unocol planned to build a pipeline across Turkmenistan, Afghanistan, and Pakistan. They tried negoitating with the Taliban, but it did not turn out well. So they invaded in 2001.
cbluver22 1 year ago
@ArinArshavin
Using the excuse that they needed to fight off the Taliban who had something to do with 9/11 (which till now has not been proven). When you think of it, if the Taliban only allowed the US companies to build their oil pipeline and allowed it to turn into the "Central Asian SIlkroad"(quote by U.S General David Petraeus), Afghanistan would have turned into another Saudi Arabia. The thing is is that the Taliban refused, and Saddam Hussian refused and now Ahmedinejad is refusing.
cbluver22 1 year ago
Galloway is a political terrorist. Hitchens and Bill Maher are Atheists btw not jews lol.
Kapzter 1 year ago
George Galloway is a big liar! I have seen him talk really nice to the other side and calling for retaliation against thee west. Now you tell me how in the world do we have idiots commenting on how Galloway is right and Hitchens is wrong? The answer is simple Muslim Sympathizers! Bunch of ill informed losers you all are for taking that mans side in what is obviously a muslim created problem! Death to Israel says 1.5 billion idiots of islam... Um anyone see the big picture here? Koran says too!
Spartinez 1 year ago
George, fuck all theses cunts in the ass.
then go fuck yourself you two faced evil bastard!
every one in this video is working for hitler.
all with one intension, to get rid of you.
TheRealBlackHair 1 year ago
i can imagine whats going on in galloways head as he hears all these idiots speak.
"shit why cant i ever debate with intelligent open-minded people?, when is this going to be over?"
bmw200000 1 year ago
man i really hate that hitchens guy, he just seems so arrogant and full of himeself.
thetrueturnip 1 year ago
@B01318182 A 'bumbass' is a 'dumbass' with a typo :o)
tuman555 1 year ago
Why does Maher keep having Hitchins on his show? Hitchens is a dumbass and Maher is starting to catch the bumbass bug.
tuman555 1 year ago
@tuman555 People think because he is English and has a snooty accent he knows what he is talking about. He is educated but he uses it for an agenda. The man once wrote articles praising Saddam Hussein and socialism when Iraq was first taken over by him.
MrHarrylime79 1 year ago
Imagine having someone from The BBC speaking on world politics and terrorism...Im from the UK and we dont trust the BBC. It has become a political wing of our ruling masters...BIG BROTHER COMMUNICATIONS...
crapgame11 1 year ago
If the Afghans have the right to fight the Soviets they have the same right to fight the US invasion as well! Invasion is invasion, regardless! Yes, Osama was orchestrated by USA!
kalasha98 1 year ago
George Galloway has sold out the West for short term political gains.
Debaser11 1 year ago 2
this guy disgusts me with his double standards. what about manifest destiny? how many native americans were killed?
nemesis700 1 year ago
Wrong, he's not a jew. And who cares who he hates. People hate things. Get over it.
gixxr6FLY 2 years ago
No he's an Atheist.
grobo11 2 years ago 2
@idideroo you don't know shit about anything so stop pretending dipshit
gixxr6FLY 2 years ago
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gixxr6FLY 2 years ago
Hitchens is correct, study history this problem of America and Islam goes back to Barbary Coast. The U.S. never did anything to Islam and taking are people without cause and excusde they use we are the infidel. Galloway is another 9/11 truther conspiary theory nut the fact is yes the U.S. did help Afghanstan against the russians but we did not creawte Bin Laden, he went there on his own.
lovejen01 2 years ago
A few Berbers pirates using their religion to justify their actions is no indictment of the religion of Islam. No more than the Crusades are an indictment of Christian intolerance of Islam, no more than the Holocaust is an indictment of Christian intolerance of Jews. Religious leaders are seldom representatives of of their denominations.
JimmyeDallas 1 year ago 2
@JimmyeDallas what is the point you are geting at, that Hitchens was putting out historical facts not talking about indicment of either religion and Galloway being a conspiary nut.
lovejen01 1 year ago
My point is that there is no such thing as a conflict between Islam and America; it is entirely a geopolitical problem.
They attacked the World Trade Center and the Pentagon for a reason. If all they wanted to do was kill as many infidels as they could, then they would've targeted stadiums and inflicted even more indiscriminate murder.
JimmyeDallas 1 year ago
historical facts? what about manifest destiny? was that a historical fact? his historical facts about muslims are meaningless as they do not apply to modern day muslims
nemesis700 1 year ago
Wow, I used to like Hitchens. I still think he's very smart, but he's definitely acting like a douchebag in this interview. o_0
lucifersgarden 2 years ago
Hitchens is a retard, both when it comes to foreign policy and religion. His hubris is his downfall.
Rassgatibala 2 years ago
@Rassgatibala You know nothing of both yet you call somebody else a retard on the matter......wow, just wow
gixxr6FLY 2 years ago
You know nothing of what I know... retard!
Rassgatibala 2 years ago
I know you DONT know religion dipshit. Go pretend to know something some where else ball sack
gixxr6FLY 2 years ago
I haven't said anything about religion, ergo: you can't know how much I know about religion, fuckface. Go lick Hitchens' fat balls if you like him so much.
And please learn how to spell before you challenge people's intellect.
Rassgatibala 2 years ago
pathetic waste of human life
gixxr6FLY 2 years ago
marsCubed 2 years ago
Galloway ftw !! owns
92kartelzbak 2 years ago
Hitchens is one of my favourite debaters, but this was just low for him. Really Hitchens, I'm embarrased on your behalf.
rhov233 2 years ago
Galloway tells it like it is with Bin Laden. He was our Buddy when he was fighting the soviets.
Hitchins is just a jerk.
Fluffdysis 2 years ago 13
Hitchins is paid by the globaists to DIS inform you ....bought and paid for by the NWO
snaed27 2 years ago 3
Christopher Hitchens is a stupid asshole and has no idea what he's talking about.
NumaNuma187 2 years ago 5
Hitchens like the sound of his own Voice too. And when someone has a different point of view; he insults them before putting forward his viewpoint. I wouldn't trust either of them! When someone is not even willing to consider he/she may be wrong (like Hitchens), then it is pointless to debate them. Hitchens is a twat!
ShaneO30 2 years ago 5
How does Maher know that two of the hijackers shaved there bodies?
rudenoodle 2 years ago 6
Haha, thats good spotting.
CubeLuda 2 years ago
I'm no expert on these things, but whenever someone makes jokes after being accused of being wrong/slimy/two-faced instead of addressing the issue, I immediately think they are to be distrusted. Galloway strikes me as an untrustworthy person from the few video clips I've seen of him speaking.
cjdlguy77 2 years ago
wrong
Alexdurrant7 2 years ago
turjo101 I took my hat off of you. That's exactly what I always asked myself. Another thing that amazed me was, when I heard one of the victims calling from flight 93. He called his mom from the airplane, and mentioned his first and last name. Well, when I call my mom, I usually say it's me or my first name regardless what the situation is. These pple know how Americans think and they took advantage of it.
amareto35 2 years ago
christopher hitchens is a cnut, he sucks up to american/israeli foreign policy because he lives there and wants to get lots of $work$ in the media
Galloway had him on every point so Bitchens started to be a bitch and get personal
the american media describe Bitchens as a 'liberal', and even 'left' sometimes! which says a lot lol
if you read this Bitchens,go boil your ignorant israel/usa murder supporting head you massive turd
mrlowdangle 2 years ago
I agree; Hitch did look around quite a bit, though I believe our eyes naturally focus on each other's mouths when speaking, rather than each others eyes. Also if you watch Hitch's debates he rarely looks at the person he's adressing, likes to play up the crowd I think.
WizardsStaff 2 years ago
" i love it when the british fight"... nice one bill.. me too! they sound so cvilisied!
obefiend 2 years ago 3