If the moors weren't black, then why would they be called black-a-moors in the 13th century? ( And not tan-a-moors? ) And doesn't the word moor derive from the Latin maurus? And what does that mean?
Very interesting. A while back I wrote you pointing out why using such terms a BLACK is problematic. Basically stateing that what is considered a BLACK person differes from culture to culture. I just find it interesting because I pointed out to you the fact that across Europe Gypsies are considered black yet you told me that wasn't true.The thing is that black is a relative term. It is used to describe anyone with dark skin.
@kedordu Northern Africa in ancient times was White, we then slowly mixed with sub saharan negro slaves which formed Arab looking people/ mulattoes! These mulattoes peppered with some negroes and Whites that was left amongst the larger mullato populas invaded Spain. Thus, in paintings you see more civilized negroes holding harps ect or a chess board which came from the ancient Whites!
lmaaaaaaaaaaaaoooooooo how could it be fucking white u idiot . ??? yior genes morphed to white because u migrated out of a hot climate . ..to a much colder one . what an imbecile .
"scientific definition of what a black person is today "
Do enlighten us....
Sigh, the only change to the North Africans from ancient has been the addition of about 14 million black slaves suring the islamic slave era.. Take a look at the art from North Africa, there's zero evidence of black coastal mahgrebis prior to the slave trade. Which is also true from the anthro and genetics studies (which I specialise in).
Is it also understandable that there is a graduation of color ~ from northern of Europe down to southern Europe and then over onto North Africa ~ from light to brown.
North Africa was a part of Rome ~ indeed after Spain was taken back from the Muslims they wanted to gather an army to take back Morocco ~ as the two countries had always worked together.
Having been to Morocco they look similar to the Spanish but are browner ~ they live in Africa!
I don't know what texts you've been reading. First off the products and animals which "texts" mentioned are inconsistent with the terrain of Asia, they are however in abundance in Eastern African and less frequently Arabia. Secondly, recently unearthed texts say that Egypt was invaded from the land to the South by the Kingdom of Kush and its allies from the land of Punt. The accepted location of Punt is near the gulf of the Red Sea and modern day Eritrea and Ethiopia.
@scruffypair - I have a hard time seeing you hand anyone their tush in a debate. Your views are way off base. I sent you scientific data that you can not deny, well you can, but it would be dishonest. Ethiopia gave birth to Egypt. You and your gang that refuse to hear the truth need some help. I realize you were lied to just like the rest of us, but that is no excuse to keep supporting a lie. It does not mean so called blacks are any better. It just crushes the idea of so-called white supremacy
The y chr M78, and M1 my DNA.. Tehut insists these shows Egypt was coloinsed from Egypt but it shows Ethiopians expanded out from the Nubia area about 24k ago.
Please go to Egypt and tell the locals that you think all their culture is black.
Or tell an upper Egyptian that he is black and watch the sparks fly. They don't take kindly to that in North Africa or the near East- it's considered an insult..
Yeah dead right Scruff. I used to live and work in Egypt and can picture the stunned but polite initial reaction, the ensuing silence while trying to understand whether the person they are dealing with has mental health issues (debatable) or is just remarkably ill informed. But the really good bit is when they comprehend that these cowardly piles of dung are attempting to make of with their legacy. Once again, thieving chicken hearts, go and tell Egyptians and North Africans your views.
@biggest23 - In response to your comment about the audience of Shomarka Omar Yahya M.D. This was a lecture given to Cambridge students and many were at the PHD level. You should come with some data that refutes his findings instead of talking about how big the class was.
Hilarious. The poster of the vid revealed that the level of ignorance shown by the audience was so pronounced that he edited out a large portion of question time so that viewers wouldn't switch off. You are impressed by these people 123bigr, hmm interesting. The curious thing here is that you think that white people are claiming Egyptian culture. You can't be getting that from scruffy as she has never said that and I have yet to meet a white person who would entertain the idea. So why say that?
@biggest23 - I am not looking for people that impress me, I am interested in the evidence they present & then I put it against others in the field. U should know why I said that. Noses have been blown off of depictions for a reason. You are the one saying Africans are trying to claim the Egyptian culture. I just pointed out that it is the European(not all) that has practiced that behavior. Europeans created these color groups to divide humanity. They called people with dark skin black, not me
Hmm still waiting for the clear description of the lie you claim to be railing against. I doubt you are unaware of a cult like organisation of Americans that have a sub saharan negro background that would dearly love the world to perceive the works of ancient Egypt as theirs.
Europeans do not regard ancient Egypt as white, but do realise that they are a virtual world away from sub saharan Negroid peoples.
Europeans do not need to lay claim to the works of ancient Egypt and do not despite rumor
@scruffypair - Answer the following. Does the ancestral past of the first Egyptians include so-called blacks?
BTW, The current Egyptian would not be told that "all their culture is black". Eventhough technically we all come from so-called blacks, invasions from others impacts the culture in Egypt. FTR, culture is not a skin color.
BTW Tehut... how are they 'whitened up by European slaves' if their maternal ancestry is mainly from the near East, and there were ten times as many black slaves as Europeans?
BTW, bones from Morocco 12k old actually show the same Eurasian mt DNA, but no black African L haplotypes to be found. The bulk of slaves were black in north Africa. Egyptian mummuy DNA shows a big increase in L haplotypes over the last 2k years :)
im just confused in what u are trynna achieve . im no afrocentric tho . in anti anything thats extreme. ur sentences dont make sense . u jumble up contexts
bones from morocco 12k old were found to be eurasian,
bulk of slaves were black ? what ? then egyptian mummy blah blah . 2k years .. and then a smile .. its like u are talking to different characters within urself
radio whined , became abusive and refused to deal with the fact DNA has proven Egyptians to be the same ( mainly) now as then. Something you all duck- if they are not native Egyptians why do they have mainly African y chr?
BTW, more black slaves were dragged into Egypt in one ten year period in the 19th centiry than all the non dynastic eurasian immigration put together,
I wonder whether afrocentrists realise that a scientific mind would categorise their behaviour in the same folder as, white supremacists, evangelical christianity and fundamental Islam. In fact any institution that does not follow the self regulating and colour blind structure of the scientific community. Science has been driven hard by ego and competitive behaviour and as such careers have been built by the destruction of weak theories and research. Stay clear lads, they will eat you whole.
Did any body read the post from 123bigr that suggested I look at a video he has deemed to qualify the grasping attempts these "chicken hearted been nowheres" use to affiliate themselves with the fantastic works of the Egyptian people.
I ended up viewing a man that has re-named himself to garner credibility , ignores vast swathes of research and delivers some tid-bits appropriate to a man from an evangelical country. To view the audience at the end was pure gold.
@biggest23 - your comment puzzles me. Nothing in your comment addresses the info that was provided. All you did was talk about name change and audience size. Where are your facts. Are you even interested in the truth?FTR, this has nothing to do with so-called blacks wanting to claim the works of Egyptians, it is about telling the truth. Europeans are the ones that created movies that have them being the ones that built and ruled Egypt, so do not confuse people from Africa with them.
The credibility of this lecturer is in doubt from the moment such an obvious pointer to his personal views is apparent.
The genuine scientific mind creates the fantastic community it does because it rejects nationality, race, colour and all the manipulations that are possible through them.
Studio executives create movies to get people to part with cash and seems a rather odd thing to add to a scruffypair vid as she, like all white people, knows that Egyptian does not mean white despite a movie
@biggest23 -continuation. The American view of the term "black" is retarded, but used by a lot of people. So, when U talk to a so-called black from America and tell them that a brown African is not connected 2 a darker African, it does not make sense. I feel that we all come from the same melanin rich people from Afri/Asia & they populated the world. People like Blumenbach of Germany wanted 2 divide humanity and place so-called whites like him at the top.This type of thinking has brought us here
123bigr you really do need to explore the world. I actually lived in Egypt and can tell you that Egyptians regard themselves as utterly separate from Negro peoples and do so because that is their perception. You will have to speak to Egyptians regarding the fanciful and heavily pregnant with racist dogma statement that they were schooled by Europeans. The Chinese dislike everyone that is not Chinese, how did Europeans achieve that?
Buy some boots and go for a walk 123bigr, you are a racist.
@biggest23 - How do U figure that Chinese people do not like non Chinese? I have seen Chinese married to Africans,Europeans,Americans and so on. Has the cheese slide off your cracker? As 4 Egyptians seperating themselves from so called negroes, that is part of the European lie of races. No racial groups in ancient times. People were seperated based on tribe, religion,craft and so on.U apply the sickness of so called white superiority on ancient people.Colonization made sure that view was taught
Hilarious 123bigr you are utterly delusional. My god are you from a distant planet. It has been an open book about Chinese attitudes to non Chinese in all their own literature you revisionist dinglenut. Go to Egypt you gutless little chicken heart and discuss your views about who you feel is the creator of THEIR history. While your at it go to sub saharan Africa and witness the intense tribal prejudices that span millennia and are still practiced today.
@biggest23 -Do you always avoid the truth by dodging questions? You come back with the same crap about chicken heart or "state of mind", but when are you going to address the facts? You make a generalization about Chinese people, which is ignorant. Some Chinese may feel the way you say, but there are also some that do not. Most Europeans do not have a superiority complex, but some do. Your entire comment has nothing to do with the origins of the Egyptians. Why? Where is the science?
What is it you expect to be added to the vast array of information presented constantly by scruffypait during the discussions you have had here with her or on her extensive blog site.
The fact is you deny constantly all data presented to you as it conflicts with a narrow minded and self indulgent agenda.
Debating scientific matters with your personality types is a venture with no positive outcome and you desire it purely to gain some small semblance of credibility.
vast array of information huh ?? integrity ? really . i think u meant to say credibility then u would make a lil more sense . u might have an arguement for saying that since we dont have a culture of purposely misinforming the masses . ironic cause u are the group /race that have the lack of integrity . the only reason sfrocentrics are that fanatic is because they have been fed documented lies for generations by the scientific community. i lived in egypt for 14yrs .
and the egyptians that live there now are definately not the ones that were there like 300 yrs ago .lol talking about 2000 yrs ago ?? what a load of horseshit . the wheel was never invented . it was here before us . since that apple 'rolled' from the tree and tempted adam . thats my proverb to u .
@kedordu Go and tell the Moors (Moroccans, berbers) your ideas kid. Surely if you're correct the response will be nothing but positive. How foolish all the evil white people will look then aye.
Have a nice trip, don't forget to write ....... byee
hey dummy i have friends educated in cambridge and american university cairo who are morrocans . i dont need to tell em anything . and its quite idiotic to take ur advise and tell a typical maroc ,who is uneducated, anything .i only have a thing for foolish people . of all shapes , races , sizes .
Thats delightful for you dinglenut. I used to live in Morocco in the early 90's and know for sure that they consider themselves an African people but not related to sub saharan African cultures. I lived in Egypt as well and know they think of themselves in a similar fashion.
If you feel the need to sermonise your political beliefs to assuage some issue you have regarding your ancestral history surely those countries would be the ground to cast your revisionist seeds.
revisionist blah blah u said that to 123br .. whether they consider themselves to be or not .. that doesnt change the truth . if ur so called friends dont know that then it sorta tells me what education uve had . im not a classist .. maybe i am when it comes to education.
u are consolidating arguements and rethreading them to make whatever point u wanna convey . the africans are all related .. thats one arguement . the egyptians and moors that live there now cannot be traced to 5000 yrs ago they come from migration just over 300-400yrs ago . thats another arguement .
SOME OF what u call suBsaharan cultures where once nubian . nubia was as prominent as egypt . infact it was warring with egypt that caused both thier defences to be weakened and thier cultures destroyed . ANYONE WITH COMMON SENSE DOESNT NEED A BOOK TO KNOW THIS .
dummy ??? i was merely giving u an example of how to pose an arguement in a logical manner . and u thought ud use that as the only piece that u would try to refute ?that shows desperation . you'll try to srutinize my spelling next . seriously dude .... she dare not reply or even start anything with me . get ur research up .. then come back
That is correct, the truth cannot be changed, but can be ignored for the sake of political and personal desires which the american afrofruitloop community does with the demented vigour of the truly delusional.
If the DNA, art and archaeology backed the claims of afronuts it would be an unstoppable event.
Yet you mooseheads honestly believe that a 40 year old mother of two is able to stem the tide through these vids.
Thank god nobody in real academia takes their claims seriously.Afrocentrist are the same as those new agers.Bunch of fairy tales and wishful thinking.
Nicely understated there scruff. I don't think they have quite made the connection between the ease with which you are able to eviscerate their arguments due to the actual "tide" of history that carries your standpoint along and the effort required on their part to distort and actively cherry pick to swim against the torrent of evidence you so ably present.
Keep it up scruff, you have a quietly inspired little fanbase here in the South Pacific.
This video is so stupid...the Bible in Genesis 10:6 says that Ham the father of Cush (Ethiopia) and Mizraim (Egypt) who were brothers, so how is it not possible for Ethiopians and Egyptians to not have the same DNA when they come from the same father and mother? White people and Arabs are funny as hell...
You afrofreaks have taken the biggest step beyond weirdness that I have seen in nearly two decades of global work and travel. Your delusions of the history of humanity and your bizarre desire to blame white people for your personal failings is as close to the self absorbed angst of a teenager that any group has ever displayed.
You are going to have to man up you kids or you will end up trapped in your mediocre thought process for a long time.
I imagine you are quite tedious in person as well.
@biggest23 -Afrofreak? I wear braids, but the freak part is ok. I do not define people by a skin color, so where did I blame so-called whites for anything? To blame, suggests that you accuse without knowledge of. A german named Blumenbach(European) created so called racial groups & claimed that they all came from the Caucasian. This lie led to centuries of bogus science based on so called races. He named all Africans, Ethiopians (not just sub sahara ones BTW) .He created nuts like U.
You as a group have a recognisable lack of integrity and this is ehcoed in the fact that your beliefs are rejected wholesale by the scientific community.
Once your outrageous claims are debunked you as a personality type become far more interesting as a grotesque caricature created through seething resentment and cultural jealousy.
This is your personal burden and you are without the skills to shed it or carry it with any dignity until you develop the ability to do so.
Also the information was so poorly presented that distinguishable and concise facts were almost impossible to pick out of the rambling and meandering monologue. Ally this with visual aids that became merely shapes that he would employ to gesture briefly at while using statements in the affirmative without revealing anything and the suspicions of evangelism gather substance.
You are also an evangelist I suspect 123bigr and resent deeply what scruffypair represents and her ease in doing it.
@biggest23 - I do not resent any video of Scruffypair. I find them to be flawed, but that is based on facts. If scruffypair's videos were supported by facts, I would be happy with that. I am interested in the truth, not what makes me feel good. Show me where I am wrong. I can deal with being wrong, but I will not support a lie.
@biggest23 - I am talking about your lies, not Scruffy. Your comments suggest that so called "blacks" impact in Egypt was only as slaves. Scruffy has valid info in the videos, but it is mixed with flawed info. This could be a mistake or a lack of understanding. The main problem is the use of the term "black" and how you determine who fits that term. The entire debate is flawed because the definition is so fluid. In America, blacks can be dark skinned or very pale. It is based on ancestry.TBC
Brilliant, now I know you're making it up. Quote me on the comment you imagined I made regarding slave input in Northern Africa or Egypt. I can save you the effort as it was never made but is another revealing insight into the workings of the prejudiced mind. Your credibility in my eyes is falling dramatically 123bigr and discussion with you shows signs of deteriorating into the murky and racist diatribes of a cultists mentality. An apology for your claims against me will be accepted.
missy-Of course not,I think the "one drop rule" is scientifically invalid, but that is what terms like blk & white R based on. The definition of those terms R constantly being changed to fit different agendas, which is Y I am puzzled about the concept of race & the use of it.U debate with people that have been taught that they R so-called blk because of their skin color or that of their ancestor, but people like U come along & say what applied to them, does not apply to the people they come from
So was Shakespeare's Othello understood to be black or not? Probably a question only a literary scholar + ethnic historian would be able to answer but I'm putting it out there.
gundisalus-You said," blacks can claim Egypt, but not North Africa". Did you know that most of the people on this page would call u an Afrocentrist for saying that? Just a thought.
@123big your the most educated person of color so far that I've met on this great you tube hall of shame. Nah... Most of these people on this page also know Egypt was a multi racial civilization, at one point in it's history, I doubt if anyone here will deny that, most of these people here are not European, they're Africans, these people here are not idiots of European heritage who claim Egyptians were white Europeans. That's just as silly as to claim Egypt was just built by Blacks.
gundisal-You are too kind. Yea right.The people on this page say so-called blacks only came to Egypt as slaves, so they would disagree with you. Ethiopia gave birth to Egypt and it is as simple as that. Egypt eventually became a "mixed" society, but not at birth. The main problem from all centrist, is the fluid definition for "black" and "white". Americans say that any body with one drop of so-called "black: blood is black. Ask your buddies how they determine who is black and who is not.
Your theories are based on most recent times,when we say Ethiopia gave birth to Ancient Egypt,we are talking thousands of years before the first Dynasty,we are talking about the Ancient Africans from PUNT,beggining of the NILE,the Sahara,these are the Africans who gave birth to Ancient Egypt,your so caught up in DNA,that you disregard the ancient clues that gives facts to the origin of Ancient Egypt,such as Diodorus Siculus saying Egypt was an Ethiopian colony with Osiris as their cult leader.
we are talking about the Ancient Africans from PUNT,beggining of the NILE,the
You know, Egyptians texts actually say PUNT WAS IN ASIA dude.
And NO, Diodorys said the Ethiopians(meaning blacks, not modern Ethiopians) CLAIMED egypt was a colony of theirs.
DNA , crania, hair and teeth all show ancient Egyptians are the same as modern, the only mass immigration was from a few million black slaves (that you like to forget).
@scruffypair Another problem in Egypt all the Black admixture in the population is always prematurely attributed to "slavery" . A few million according to you sounds suspicious or is it anyone with Sub Saharan dna is automatically classified as a biproduct of " Slaves" to obscure the identity of the Ancient Egyptians having some Black origins remember the Badarians the indegenous population had some Negroid affinities most of the earliest Predynastic Egyptian remains do.
There is no record of Egyptians coming into Ethiopia after the FALL OF DYNASTIC EGYPT,maybe Nubia but not Ethiopia.but there are records of descendants of Ancient Egyptians coming into west Africa in the book called EXILED EGYPTIANS and some West Africans have Egyptian influence culture and speak a Hamitic language that is similar to Ancient Egyptians,In Ethiopia you had Sabeans and Yemenites who came into that land but no record of Egyptians.
The Beja,Oromo,Afar Danakils and Somalis are groups that are the closest to Ancient Egyptians and have every feature you see in Ancient Egyptians,these are the same Africans who made up the population of Ancient PUNT and KUSH, any similarity of Ancient Egyptians you see in them, they had it before Dynastic Egypt,in Ancient times Northerners did not come south and brought civilization, it was the other way around,your theories are based on the Aryan race model and that's what your DNA supports.
@tehutimays3 Your right scruffypair's theories are based on the work of Anthropologist Carleton S. Coon. His theories are the basis for modern geneticist & anthropologist today who praise him even though he was a well known racist all of these videos are based on his studies he believed that Caucasiods from the Near East migrated into Africa and created all of the Civilizations & brought Domestication there he believed the White race was superior to all other groups around the world !
tehutimays3 Your right scruffypair's theories are based on the work of Anthropologist Carleton S. Coon
Actulaly I've never read Coon.
And my work is based on the work of Dr Keita, C loring Brace and many others.And that near Easterners brought farming into Africa about 8k ago is recognised as a fact by anyone who studies the neolithic.
@scruffypair No offense taken because you said Egyptians,North Africans and Near Easterners consider being Black an insult but do not take offense for Blacks not believing you or Dr. Hawas or the Arab & North African White government controlled scientists who b.s the world with their findings about Blacks having nothing to do with Ancient Egypt or North Africa because you have just admitted their racial biased against Blacks it would be an "insult" to them .
how can u say the DNA in ethiopia came from southern egypt ? explain this to me . u are worse than the afrocentrics .u need to be more clear about what u are saying u sound retarded
the area bewteen North africa and central africa is mixed races (caucasian and neggroids) ,a few soldiers of almohade armies from sahara looks like east africans mainly from touareg-fulani tribes ! according to the Moroccan sources they are around 1500 men????? but now scruffypair claim that some Moors are blacks according to some fake sources and egyptians are white because they didn't depict themselves as black africans ?
one thing afrocentrics as well as others that hate them need to understand . is that the historians will tell you that the term moor has no ethnocentric value . i know u knew that.but others might get the wrong idea by this video.the description moor has refered to berbers black africans n arabs of north african descent ..
Wow nice vid. An interesting follow up would be footage of an afrocentrist in Morocco explaining to the local populace their plans to rob their past using popular media and no science. I surfed with berbers there in the early 90's, I have a strong idea of what would briskly follow.
I could post up a video of thousands of black moors in spain lol
Its a fact that BERBERS a tribe in africa invaded spain and requested 100 white virgins every year
get your shit straight
RealFutureStar33 1 year ago
Scruffy have you been to spain
I have
The people Moors were obviously black.
WHy are people so upset that black people have done so many great things.
Your just one of the fags that try to hide the truth
RealFutureStar33 1 year ago
If the moors weren't black, then why would they be called black-a-moors in the 13th century? ( And not tan-a-moors? ) And doesn't the word moor derive from the Latin maurus? And what does that mean?
bigt8 1 year ago
Pure rhetoric!
mobfiggak1 1 year ago
Very interesting. A while back I wrote you pointing out why using such terms a BLACK is problematic. Basically stateing that what is considered a BLACK person differes from culture to culture. I just find it interesting because I pointed out to you the fact that across Europe Gypsies are considered black yet you told me that wasn't true.The thing is that black is a relative term. It is used to describe anyone with dark skin.
TRUTHTEACHER2007 1 year ago
@kedordu Northern Africa in ancient times was White, we then slowly mixed with sub saharan negro slaves which formed Arab looking people/ mulattoes! These mulattoes peppered with some negroes and Whites that was left amongst the larger mullato populas invaded Spain. Thus, in paintings you see more civilized negroes holding harps ect or a chess board which came from the ancient Whites!
Whitevoice14 1 year ago
@Whitevoice14
lmaaaaaaaaaaaaoooooooo how could it be fucking white u idiot . ??? yior genes morphed to white because u migrated out of a hot climate . ..to a much colder one . what an imbecile .
kedordu 1 year ago
@kedordu Moron we evoled in Europe but spread out afterwards duh
Whitevoice14 1 year ago
@kedordu man, i couldn't agree with you more all this nonsense about them being black or not is stupid but come on we all know they were black...
MrZetruth 1 year ago 2
Moors are from North of the Sahara in North west Africa, they are definitely not sub-saharan I know that because I am one :)
watch the following video it'll tell you who is who isn't a Moor.
/watch?v=cN8ebVHAVsA
Wassil29 1 year ago
@kedordu
"scientific definition of what a black person is today "
Do enlighten us....
Sigh, the only change to the North Africans from ancient has been the addition of about 14 million black slaves suring the islamic slave era.. Take a look at the art from North Africa, there's zero evidence of black coastal mahgrebis prior to the slave trade. Which is also true from the anthro and genetics studies (which I specialise in).
Mathildaonline 1 year ago
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TwoEyesX 1 year ago
Is it also understandable that there is a graduation of color ~ from northern of Europe down to southern Europe and then over onto North Africa ~ from light to brown.
North Africa was a part of Rome ~ indeed after Spain was taken back from the Muslims they wanted to gather an army to take back Morocco ~ as the two countries had always worked together.
Having been to Morocco they look similar to the Spanish but are browner ~ they live in Africa!
It is the spirit that counts ~ not the color!
TwoEyesX 1 year ago
Look at my video 'The true Moors were never Black".
MoorishEmpire 2 years ago
"White people envy blacks because they want to be black. History tells them that " could you elaborate sounds very funny
thunderheart226 2 years ago 2
Wallada bint al-Mustakfi
princess of cordova
was blue eyed white skined
she was umyyad arab orgin
arabiannight100 2 years ago
I love that video.
100% agree!
Moor in spanish meant "muslim".
About 50% of the Moors were actually Islamized Iberians , 50% other were a mix of Berbers and Arabs .
The few black were slaves , and only represent 0.03 % of the Moorish population of Spain.
Elany13 2 years ago 4
Radio banned my very polite comments because he got his tush handed to him on multplie vids.
Egyptian texts actually say punt was in Asia, why do you have such an issue wityh that tehut?
And where are the black north Africans in Roman and Byzantine art?
You spout a lot of crap Tehut.
scruffypair 2 years ago
I don't know what texts you've been reading. First off the products and animals which "texts" mentioned are inconsistent with the terrain of Asia, they are however in abundance in Eastern African and less frequently Arabia. Secondly, recently unearthed texts say that Egypt was invaded from the land to the South by the Kingdom of Kush and its allies from the land of Punt. The accepted location of Punt is near the gulf of the Red Sea and modern day Eritrea and Ethiopia.
AbridgedSeriesH8r 2 years ago
@scruffypair - I have a hard time seeing you hand anyone their tush in a debate. Your views are way off base. I sent you scientific data that you can not deny, well you can, but it would be dishonest. Ethiopia gave birth to Egypt. You and your gang that refuse to hear the truth need some help. I realize you were lied to just like the rest of us, but that is no excuse to keep supporting a lie. It does not mean so called blacks are any better. It just crushes the idea of so-called white supremacy
123bigr 2 years ago
The y chr M78, and M1 my DNA.. Tehut insists these shows Egypt was coloinsed from Egypt but it shows Ethiopians expanded out from the Nubia area about 24k ago.
scruffypair 2 years ago
Please go to Egypt and tell the locals that you think all their culture is black.
There hasn't been a good massacre there since Luxor or Sharm El Sheikh and I reckon your visit could really allow them to let off some steam.
Go on .......... do it, I dare ya, you gutless little squirts.
biggest23 2 years ago
Please go to Egypt and tell the locals that you think all their culture is black.
Or tell an upper Egyptian that he is black and watch the sparks fly. They don't take kindly to that in North Africa or the near East- it's considered an insult..
scruffypair 2 years ago
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FrostedFlakeX 2 years ago
Yeah dead right Scruff. I used to live and work in Egypt and can picture the stunned but polite initial reaction, the ensuing silence while trying to understand whether the person they are dealing with has mental health issues (debatable) or is just remarkably ill informed. But the really good bit is when they comprehend that these cowardly piles of dung are attempting to make of with their legacy. Once again, thieving chicken hearts, go and tell Egyptians and North Africans your views.
biggest23 2 years ago
@biggest23 - In response to your comment about the audience of Shomarka Omar Yahya M.D. This was a lecture given to Cambridge students and many were at the PHD level. You should come with some data that refutes his findings instead of talking about how big the class was.
123bigr 2 years ago
Hilarious. The poster of the vid revealed that the level of ignorance shown by the audience was so pronounced that he edited out a large portion of question time so that viewers wouldn't switch off. You are impressed by these people 123bigr, hmm interesting. The curious thing here is that you think that white people are claiming Egyptian culture. You can't be getting that from scruffy as she has never said that and I have yet to meet a white person who would entertain the idea. So why say that?
biggest23 2 years ago
@biggest23 - I am not looking for people that impress me, I am interested in the evidence they present & then I put it against others in the field. U should know why I said that. Noses have been blown off of depictions for a reason. You are the one saying Africans are trying to claim the Egyptian culture. I just pointed out that it is the European(not all) that has practiced that behavior. Europeans created these color groups to divide humanity. They called people with dark skin black, not me
123bigr 2 years ago
Hmm still waiting for the clear description of the lie you claim to be railing against. I doubt you are unaware of a cult like organisation of Americans that have a sub saharan negro background that would dearly love the world to perceive the works of ancient Egypt as theirs.
Europeans do not regard ancient Egypt as white, but do realise that they are a virtual world away from sub saharan Negroid peoples.
Europeans do not need to lay claim to the works of ancient Egypt and do not despite rumor
biggest23 2 years ago
@scruffypair - Answer the following. Does the ancestral past of the first Egyptians include so-called blacks?
BTW, The current Egyptian would not be told that "all their culture is black". Eventhough technically we all come from so-called blacks, invasions from others impacts the culture in Egypt. FTR, culture is not a skin color.
123bigr 2 years ago
i've read Jane Eyre (my favorite book)
And you took that saying out of context!
Every1luvzME 2 years ago
I'm black and I always thought that Moor was either an Arab or a African.
That the white poeple just lump them together. Blackamoor or moor.
Every1luvzME 2 years ago
BTW Tehut... how are they 'whitened up by European slaves' if their maternal ancestry is mainly from the near East, and there were ten times as many black slaves as Europeans?
BTW, bones from Morocco 12k old actually show the same Eurasian mt DNA, but no black African L haplotypes to be found. The bulk of slaves were black in north Africa. Egyptian mummuy DNA shows a big increase in L haplotypes over the last 2k years :)
scruffypair 2 years ago
im just confused in what u are trynna achieve . im no afrocentric tho . in anti anything thats extreme. ur sentences dont make sense . u jumble up contexts
bones from morocco 12k old were found to be eurasian,
bulk of slaves were black ? what ? then egyptian mummy blah blah . 2k years .. and then a smile .. its like u are talking to different characters within urself
kedordu 2 years ago
so basically the bones from the pyramids were africans and the mummies were euroaisan ?? hmm ?
kedordu 2 years ago
@kedordu -great points
123bigr 2 years ago
radio whined , became abusive and refused to deal with the fact DNA has proven Egyptians to be the same ( mainly) now as then. Something you all duck- if they are not native Egyptians why do they have mainly African y chr?
BTW, more black slaves were dragged into Egypt in one ten year period in the 19th centiry than all the non dynastic eurasian immigration put together,
scruffypair 2 years ago
I wonder whether afrocentrists realise that a scientific mind would categorise their behaviour in the same folder as, white supremacists, evangelical christianity and fundamental Islam. In fact any institution that does not follow the self regulating and colour blind structure of the scientific community. Science has been driven hard by ego and competitive behaviour and as such careers have been built by the destruction of weak theories and research. Stay clear lads, they will eat you whole.
biggest23 2 years ago
@biggest23 -You mentioned science. I am goimg to send you a video that will show you your flaws.
123bigr 2 years ago
Did any body read the post from 123bigr that suggested I look at a video he has deemed to qualify the grasping attempts these "chicken hearted been nowheres" use to affiliate themselves with the fantastic works of the Egyptian people.
I ended up viewing a man that has re-named himself to garner credibility , ignores vast swathes of research and delivers some tid-bits appropriate to a man from an evangelical country. To view the audience at the end was pure gold.
Credibility = 0
Hilarity =10
biggest23 2 years ago
@biggest23 - your comment puzzles me. Nothing in your comment addresses the info that was provided. All you did was talk about name change and audience size. Where are your facts. Are you even interested in the truth?FTR, this has nothing to do with so-called blacks wanting to claim the works of Egyptians, it is about telling the truth. Europeans are the ones that created movies that have them being the ones that built and ruled Egypt, so do not confuse people from Africa with them.
123bigr 2 years ago
The credibility of this lecturer is in doubt from the moment such an obvious pointer to his personal views is apparent.
The genuine scientific mind creates the fantastic community it does because it rejects nationality, race, colour and all the manipulations that are possible through them.
Studio executives create movies to get people to part with cash and seems a rather odd thing to add to a scruffypair vid as she, like all white people, knows that Egyptian does not mean white despite a movie
biggest23 2 years ago
@biggest23 - Credibility of the lecturer? What personal views are apparent?
123bigr 2 years ago
Are you feigning stupidity? Also, describe the lie that you feel is being presented by scruffypair if not the entire European civilisation.
biggest23 2 years ago
@biggest23 -continuation. The American view of the term "black" is retarded, but used by a lot of people. So, when U talk to a so-called black from America and tell them that a brown African is not connected 2 a darker African, it does not make sense. I feel that we all come from the same melanin rich people from Afri/Asia & they populated the world. People like Blumenbach of Germany wanted 2 divide humanity and place so-called whites like him at the top.This type of thinking has brought us here
123bigr 2 years ago
123bigr you really do need to explore the world. I actually lived in Egypt and can tell you that Egyptians regard themselves as utterly separate from Negro peoples and do so because that is their perception. You will have to speak to Egyptians regarding the fanciful and heavily pregnant with racist dogma statement that they were schooled by Europeans. The Chinese dislike everyone that is not Chinese, how did Europeans achieve that?
Buy some boots and go for a walk 123bigr, you are a racist.
biggest23 2 years ago
@biggest23 - How do U figure that Chinese people do not like non Chinese? I have seen Chinese married to Africans,Europeans,Americans and so on. Has the cheese slide off your cracker? As 4 Egyptians seperating themselves from so called negroes, that is part of the European lie of races. No racial groups in ancient times. People were seperated based on tribe, religion,craft and so on.U apply the sickness of so called white superiority on ancient people.Colonization made sure that view was taught
123bigr 2 years ago
Hilarious 123bigr you are utterly delusional. My god are you from a distant planet. It has been an open book about Chinese attitudes to non Chinese in all their own literature you revisionist dinglenut. Go to Egypt you gutless little chicken heart and discuss your views about who you feel is the creator of THEIR history. While your at it go to sub saharan Africa and witness the intense tribal prejudices that span millennia and are still practiced today.
I dareya, I double dare ya (you won't)
biggest23 2 years ago
@biggest23 -Do you always avoid the truth by dodging questions? You come back with the same crap about chicken heart or "state of mind", but when are you going to address the facts? You make a generalization about Chinese people, which is ignorant. Some Chinese may feel the way you say, but there are also some that do not. Most Europeans do not have a superiority complex, but some do. Your entire comment has nothing to do with the origins of the Egyptians. Why? Where is the science?
123bigr 2 years ago
What is it you expect to be added to the vast array of information presented constantly by scruffypait during the discussions you have had here with her or on her extensive blog site.
The fact is you deny constantly all data presented to you as it conflicts with a narrow minded and self indulgent agenda.
Debating scientific matters with your personality types is a venture with no positive outcome and you desire it purely to gain some small semblance of credibility.
The opposite is occurring.
biggest23 2 years ago
vast array of information huh ?? integrity ? really . i think u meant to say credibility then u would make a lil more sense . u might have an arguement for saying that since we dont have a culture of purposely misinforming the masses . ironic cause u are the group /race that have the lack of integrity . the only reason sfrocentrics are that fanatic is because they have been fed documented lies for generations by the scientific community. i lived in egypt for 14yrs .
kedordu 2 years ago
and the egyptians that live there now are definately not the ones that were there like 300 yrs ago .lol talking about 2000 yrs ago ?? what a load of horseshit . the wheel was never invented . it was here before us . since that apple 'rolled' from the tree and tempted adam . thats my proverb to u .
kedordu 2 years ago
@kedordu Go and tell the Moors (Moroccans, berbers) your ideas kid. Surely if you're correct the response will be nothing but positive. How foolish all the evil white people will look then aye.
Have a nice trip, don't forget to write ....... byee
biggest23 2 years ago
hey dummy i have friends educated in cambridge and american university cairo who are morrocans . i dont need to tell em anything . and its quite idiotic to take ur advise and tell a typical maroc ,who is uneducated, anything .i only have a thing for foolish people . of all shapes , races , sizes .
kedordu 2 years ago
Thats delightful for you dinglenut. I used to live in Morocco in the early 90's and know for sure that they consider themselves an African people but not related to sub saharan African cultures. I lived in Egypt as well and know they think of themselves in a similar fashion.
If you feel the need to sermonise your political beliefs to assuage some issue you have regarding your ancestral history surely those countries would be the ground to cast your revisionist seeds.
biggest23 2 years ago
revisionist blah blah u said that to 123br .. whether they consider themselves to be or not .. that doesnt change the truth . if ur so called friends dont know that then it sorta tells me what education uve had . im not a classist .. maybe i am when it comes to education.
kedordu 2 years ago
u are consolidating arguements and rethreading them to make whatever point u wanna convey . the africans are all related .. thats one arguement . the egyptians and moors that live there now cannot be traced to 5000 yrs ago they come from migration just over 300-400yrs ago . thats another arguement .
kedordu 2 years ago
SOME OF what u call suBsaharan cultures where once nubian . nubia was as prominent as egypt . infact it was warring with egypt that caused both thier defences to be weakened and thier cultures destroyed . ANYONE WITH COMMON SENSE DOESNT NEED A BOOK TO KNOW THIS .
kedordu 2 years ago
300-400 years ago!!!!! HAHAHA Thats it, you are officially a full nut job.
That is my cue to have a sandwich and a Frankie Boyle session on YT to wash the afrocrap out of the memory banks.
No more replies to you dinglenut, try scruffypair she loves giving bigots an educational smack round the chops
biggest23 2 years ago
dummy ??? i was merely giving u an example of how to pose an arguement in a logical manner . and u thought ud use that as the only piece that u would try to refute ?that shows desperation . you'll try to srutinize my spelling next . seriously dude .... she dare not reply or even start anything with me . get ur research up .. then come back
kedordu 2 years ago
That is correct, the truth cannot be changed, but can be ignored for the sake of political and personal desires which the american afrofruitloop community does with the demented vigour of the truly delusional.
If the DNA, art and archaeology backed the claims of afronuts it would be an unstoppable event.
Yet you mooseheads honestly believe that a 40 year old mother of two is able to stem the tide through these vids.
You guys are so nutty it is beyond hilarious.
biggest23 2 years ago
Yet you mooseheads honestly believe that a 40 year old mother of two is able to stem the tide through these vids.
I seem to be doing okay at i!
Its the reason I upset them so much. If Afrocentrists go so irate over little ole me, just how weak is their case? Funny really.
scruffypair 1 year ago
Thank god nobody in real academia takes their claims seriously.Afrocentrist are the same as those new agers.Bunch of fairy tales and wishful thinking.
liquidsnake123 1 year ago
@scruffypair
"I seem to be doing okay at it!"
Nicely understated there scruff. I don't think they have quite made the connection between the ease with which you are able to eviscerate their arguments due to the actual "tide" of history that carries your standpoint along and the effort required on their part to distort and actively cherry pick to swim against the torrent of evidence you so ably present.
Keep it up scruff, you have a quietly inspired little fanbase here in the South Pacific.
biggest23 1 year ago
@biggest23 Nicely understated there scruff.
Whythankyaverymuch... ahuhuh.
I'm locked out of my YT acount btw, so this is the new me. If you want to get the new vids you'll need to suscribe to this one now.
Mathildaonline 1 year ago
This video is so stupid...the Bible in Genesis 10:6 says that Ham the father of Cush (Ethiopia) and Mizraim (Egypt) who were brothers, so how is it not possible for Ethiopians and Egyptians to not have the same DNA when they come from the same father and mother? White people and Arabs are funny as hell...
dnorwood70 2 years ago
If you are using the bible to determine race then you are funny as hell. Why don't I use the RigVeda to determine whether or not I'm European lol?
xxdiogenescynicxx 2 years ago 6
they consider themselves an African people but not related to sub saharan African cultures
Very true, the ones I know on line get VERY pissy if you call them black.
scruffypair 1 year ago 2
You afrofreaks have taken the biggest step beyond weirdness that I have seen in nearly two decades of global work and travel. Your delusions of the history of humanity and your bizarre desire to blame white people for your personal failings is as close to the self absorbed angst of a teenager that any group has ever displayed.
You are going to have to man up you kids or you will end up trapped in your mediocre thought process for a long time.
I imagine you are quite tedious in person as well.
biggest23 2 years ago
@biggest23 -Afrofreak? I wear braids, but the freak part is ok. I do not define people by a skin color, so where did I blame so-called whites for anything? To blame, suggests that you accuse without knowledge of. A german named Blumenbach(European) created so called racial groups & claimed that they all came from the Caucasian. This lie led to centuries of bogus science based on so called races. He named all Africans, Ethiopians (not just sub sahara ones BTW) .He created nuts like U.
123bigr 2 years ago
You as a group have a recognisable lack of integrity and this is ehcoed in the fact that your beliefs are rejected wholesale by the scientific community.
Once your outrageous claims are debunked you as a personality type become far more interesting as a grotesque caricature created through seething resentment and cultural jealousy.
This is your personal burden and you are without the skills to shed it or carry it with any dignity until you develop the ability to do so.
It's yours deal with it
biggest23 2 years ago
Also the information was so poorly presented that distinguishable and concise facts were almost impossible to pick out of the rambling and meandering monologue. Ally this with visual aids that became merely shapes that he would employ to gesture briefly at while using statements in the affirmative without revealing anything and the suspicions of evangelism gather substance.
You are also an evangelist I suspect 123bigr and resent deeply what scruffypair represents and her ease in doing it.
biggest23 2 years ago
@biggest23 - I do not resent any video of Scruffypair. I find them to be flawed, but that is based on facts. If scruffypair's videos were supported by facts, I would be happy with that. I am interested in the truth, not what makes me feel good. Show me where I am wrong. I can deal with being wrong, but I will not support a lie.
123bigr 2 years ago
Describe the lie
biggest23 2 years ago
@biggest23 - I am talking about your lies, not Scruffy. Your comments suggest that so called "blacks" impact in Egypt was only as slaves. Scruffy has valid info in the videos, but it is mixed with flawed info. This could be a mistake or a lack of understanding. The main problem is the use of the term "black" and how you determine who fits that term. The entire debate is flawed because the definition is so fluid. In America, blacks can be dark skinned or very pale. It is based on ancestry.TBC
123bigr 2 years ago
Brilliant, now I know you're making it up. Quote me on the comment you imagined I made regarding slave input in Northern Africa or Egypt. I can save you the effort as it was never made but is another revealing insight into the workings of the prejudiced mind. Your credibility in my eyes is falling dramatically 123bigr and discussion with you shows signs of deteriorating into the murky and racist diatribes of a cultists mentality. An apology for your claims against me will be accepted.
biggest23 2 years ago
hmm i like ur style of misdirection . u only do that when u are stuck .
kedordu 2 years ago
missy-Of course not,I think the "one drop rule" is scientifically invalid, but that is what terms like blk & white R based on. The definition of those terms R constantly being changed to fit different agendas, which is Y I am puzzled about the concept of race & the use of it.U debate with people that have been taught that they R so-called blk because of their skin color or that of their ancestor, but people like U come along & say what applied to them, does not apply to the people they come from
123bigr 2 years ago
So was Shakespeare's Othello understood to be black or not? Probably a question only a literary scholar + ethnic historian would be able to answer but I'm putting it out there.
Xenu 2 years ago 3
Probably, 'Moor 'accquired a racial meaning later in Europe
scruffypair 2 years ago
probably huh .. lmao
kedordu 2 years ago
Another great video! Another idea would be to make a video of ancent North African coins. There are lots of images on the internet.
phoenician7 2 years ago
say dog... dem moors be geepshuns too dog... y u always hatin on a nigga?
VictoryisGod 2 years ago
yo, what happened to the gangsta rap?
Your not gonna get their attention with this intellectual notion!! lol
Your going to confuse them even more, than what they already are!!
GundisalusMenendiz 2 years ago 7
gundisalus-You said," blacks can claim Egypt, but not North Africa". Did you know that most of the people on this page would call u an Afrocentrist for saying that? Just a thought.
123bigr 2 years ago
@123big your the most educated person of color so far that I've met on this great you tube hall of shame. Nah... Most of these people on this page also know Egypt was a multi racial civilization, at one point in it's history, I doubt if anyone here will deny that, most of these people here are not European, they're Africans, these people here are not idiots of European heritage who claim Egyptians were white Europeans. That's just as silly as to claim Egypt was just built by Blacks.
GundisalusMenendiz 2 years ago
gundisal-You are too kind. Yea right.The people on this page say so-called blacks only came to Egypt as slaves, so they would disagree with you. Ethiopia gave birth to Egypt and it is as simple as that. Egypt eventually became a "mixed" society, but not at birth. The main problem from all centrist, is the fluid definition for "black" and "white". Americans say that any body with one drop of so-called "black: blood is black. Ask your buddies how they determine who is black and who is not.
123bigr 2 years ago
"Ethiopia gave birth to Egypt and "
No it didn't , the DNA in Ethiopia came from southern Egypt.
scruffypair 2 years ago
Your theories are based on most recent times,when we say Ethiopia gave birth to Ancient Egypt,we are talking thousands of years before the first Dynasty,we are talking about the Ancient Africans from PUNT,beggining of the NILE,the Sahara,these are the Africans who gave birth to Ancient Egypt,your so caught up in DNA,that you disregard the ancient clues that gives facts to the origin of Ancient Egypt,such as Diodorus Siculus saying Egypt was an Ethiopian colony with Osiris as their cult leader.
tehutimays3 2 years ago 2
we are talking about the Ancient Africans from PUNT,beggining of the NILE,the
You know, Egyptians texts actually say PUNT WAS IN ASIA dude.
And NO, Diodorys said the Ethiopians(meaning blacks, not modern Ethiopians) CLAIMED egypt was a colony of theirs.
DNA , crania, hair and teeth all show ancient Egyptians are the same as modern, the only mass immigration was from a few million black slaves (that you like to forget).
scruffypair 2 years ago
@scruffypair Another problem in Egypt all the Black admixture in the population is always prematurely attributed to "slavery" . A few million according to you sounds suspicious or is it anyone with Sub Saharan dna is automatically classified as a biproduct of " Slaves" to obscure the identity of the Ancient Egyptians having some Black origins remember the Badarians the indegenous population had some Negroid affinities most of the earliest Predynastic Egyptian remains do.
FrostedFlakeX 2 years ago
There is no record of Egyptians coming into Ethiopia after the FALL OF DYNASTIC EGYPT,maybe Nubia but not Ethiopia.but there are records of descendants of Ancient Egyptians coming into west Africa in the book called EXILED EGYPTIANS and some West Africans have Egyptian influence culture and speak a Hamitic language that is similar to Ancient Egyptians,In Ethiopia you had Sabeans and Yemenites who came into that land but no record of Egyptians.
tehutimays3 2 years ago
There is no record of Egyptians coming into Ethiopia after the FALL OF DYNASTIC EGYPT
The expansion into east Africa from upper Egypt/nubia happened about 24k ago.
There is no more recent biological like between the two areas barring shared migrations into North nd East Africa from the near east 10k and 8k ago.
Modern Egyptian, north African and Ethiopians are all part of the same racial cluster- Egyptians are not modern invaders, its not possible.
scruffypair 2 years ago
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Elany13 2 years ago
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Elany13 2 years ago
@Scruffypair :
Egyptians , North Africans and Ethiopians don't have the same DNA makeup.
For exemple Egyptians are 27% of J , while Algerians and Tunisians are 45% of J ...You'll find 10% of R1b among Algerians and 0% among Ethiopians .
Elany13 2 years ago
The Beja,Oromo,Afar Danakils and Somalis are groups that are the closest to Ancient Egyptians and have every feature you see in Ancient Egyptians,these are the same Africans who made up the population of Ancient PUNT and KUSH, any similarity of Ancient Egyptians you see in them, they had it before Dynastic Egypt,in Ancient times Northerners did not come south and brought civilization, it was the other way around,your theories are based on the Aryan race model and that's what your DNA supports.
tehutimays3 2 years ago 3
@tehutimays3 Your right scruffypair's theories are based on the work of Anthropologist Carleton S. Coon. His theories are the basis for modern geneticist & anthropologist today who praise him even though he was a well known racist all of these videos are based on his studies he believed that Caucasiods from the Near East migrated into Africa and created all of the Civilizations & brought Domestication there he believed the White race was superior to all other groups around the world !
FrostedFlakeX 2 years ago 3
tehutimays3 Your right scruffypair's theories are based on the work of Anthropologist Carleton S. Coon
Actulaly I've never read Coon.
And my work is based on the work of Dr Keita, C loring Brace and many others.And that near Easterners brought farming into Africa about 8k ago is recognised as a fact by anyone who studies the neolithic.
scruffypair 2 years ago
The Beja,Oromo,Afar Danakils and Somalis are groups that are the closest to Ancient Egyptians
BULLSHIT.
modern Egyptians are the closest and have been in every single study, including the DNA.
scruffypair 2 years ago
@scruffypair No offense taken because you said Egyptians,North Africans and Near Easterners consider being Black an insult but do not take offense for Blacks not believing you or Dr. Hawas or the Arab & North African White government controlled scientists who b.s the world with their findings about Blacks having nothing to do with Ancient Egypt or North Africa because you have just admitted their racial biased against Blacks it would be an "insult" to them .
FrostedFlakeX 2 years ago
how can u say the DNA in ethiopia came from southern egypt ? explain this to me . u are worse than the afrocentrics .u need to be more clear about what u are saying u sound retarded
kedordu 2 years ago
the area bewteen North africa and central africa is mixed races (caucasian and neggroids) ,a few soldiers of almohade armies from sahara looks like east africans mainly from touareg-fulani tribes ! according to the Moroccan sources they are around 1500 men????? but now scruffypair claim that some Moors are blacks according to some fake sources and egyptians are white because they didn't depict themselves as black africans ?
this is a great shit which is I never seen
BeuttiusMaximus 2 years ago 7
u r so right GundisalusMenendiz
this intellectual notion is totally wrong ,DONT GIVE TO THE AFROCENTRITS OTHER FAKE CAUSES
BeuttiusMaximus 2 years ago 2
Scruffypair burries yet another Afro bozo pipedream! LOL
AKOBADAGETH15 2 years ago
one thing afrocentrics as well as others that hate them need to understand . is that the historians will tell you that the term moor has no ethnocentric value . i know u knew that.but others might get the wrong idea by this video.the description moor has refered to berbers black africans n arabs of north african descent ..
ladiesmanxxxxxxx 2 years ago
Great video. I read Mathilda's Blog too.
RobertBruceBanner 2 years ago 2
She is Mathilda
AKOBADAGETH15 2 years ago
Wow nice vid. An interesting follow up would be footage of an afrocentrist in Morocco explaining to the local populace their plans to rob their past using popular media and no science. I surfed with berbers there in the early 90's, I have a strong idea of what would briskly follow.
biggest23 2 years ago 2