Warren Jeffs Arrest: a priest reflects on religious freedom

[PainHoarder]

No personal offense intended to you of course, FatherJeffrey. I just feel that Catholicism is the same old Roman Paganism in sheep's clothing.

The only religion worth its salt is the religion of Abraham, as taught by Jesus.

I'll make a simple altar in the wilderness to the "Unknown God" of Abraham before I'll worship at a man-made altar before a graven image.

The Vatican should release its info concerning the Lapis Philosophorum and the Tree of Knowledge since the Tribulation has now begun.

[PainHoarder]

Let me ask you something, Mr. Catholic. Catholicism is supposed to be Christian, right? Well then why is the Pope called the "substitute" of Christ?

Why does this "vicar" of Christ protect pedophile priests?

Why are GRAVEN IMAGES of Christ's agonizing death kept in every Catholic church along with many other graven images? Pope makes the rules while Jesus still hangs?

Why did the Vatican keep old Roman Pagan statues and rename them as "saints" rather than tear them down as pagan idols?

[PainHoarder]

I asked God "why did you make sex pleasurable, seeing that so many perverts arise from it?" God replied "so man would be fruitful and multiply".

So I said "we did that, and there's so many people now, why do we still need pleasure in sex?"

God said "for the same reason a rat trap needs cheese".

[Clown5336]

uhh jeffs sodomized a little boy in a bathroom that a violation of the freedom of that kids back side

[wethepeople1773]

The need for limits on religious freedom?!! WTF!!! NO!!! Isn't that what Jeffs was doing, to all the people in his tyrannical community??!!!

[peter23094]

warren jeffs changes the bible into devil

[xkjdhdglksh]

Half the kids are under 4 years old. Are we supposed to believe a State that says this church is having sex with 4 year olds?

[utahpirateradio]

youtube. com/watch?v=hXf5_pKrdNQ

[xkjdhdglksh]

Oh yeah, lets arrest and kill the guy that wants to make as many babies as possible. Hasn't he heard! Babies are a terrible burden and should all be aborted! If we need workers, we will get them from Mexico. No need to birth them here. We do NOT want girls having as many babies as they can - starting as young as they can start, because, why, everyone in America knows how horrible babies are, they should be aborted! This is persecution for having babies.

[PainHoarder]

@xkjdhdglksh Keep your pedophile thoughts to yourself. People like that don't last long in prison, I'll be cheering when warren jeffs is being sodomized and shanked by the prison sisters.

[harveydents]

Yeah thats nice father, but this guy needs to be put to death....on public tv!

[Jeremyguru]

Lol.

[morbid301]

simple solution, strip tax exemption from churches. that doesn't infringe on their free exercise of religion. one could assert that tax exemption is a violation of the spirit of the establishment clause anyway. that was easy. next.

[Jeremyguru]

The solution is to take away the tax exempt status of churches. They should have never been granted it.

[Nothwithstanding]

You are citing the "clear and present danger clause," which is no longer the maxim - imminent lawless action, rather.

[MellonmanComedy]

I am glad Warren is going to JAIL.....HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

[stevencyrillien]

Hi vegaspimp,

I don't quite aggree with you that the Catholic Church is the only true church....I am saying that is your opinion, but you are so wrong. A church do not save you but rather the good deed of your heart and the beholding of the belief of GOD. Take HEED and becarefull as to how you spread the message around the GLOBE.

Have a good day now

[Howitzer89]

I agree with vegaspimp, but not on the idea that non-catholics will burn in hell.

[vegaspimp]

The Roman Catholic church is the only true church, the other churches are blasphemous and the followers will burn in a pit of hell fire.

[Jeremyguru]

There are lots of religious retards who would disagree with you. The problem is that all you religionists are in the same boat: ALL religion is based on nonsense, so no religion is better than another.

[havock89]

If you are so bent out of shape, why are you even looking at this video, and why do you think we would be interested in such a warped person's opinin as yourself? I hope you have a long and happy life, cause thats all your gonna get. tata!

[beandick]

uhhhhhh i am or was watching this video for i became intersted in this fucked up man and his people long ago when he were on fbi's ten most wanted and have followed it scince, but yeh what you have to understand is that i am a believer in many things unreal to us , "god" if u wish, but i am totally against organsied religion 100% And by the way, next message........

[havock89]

Sorry Beandick, my last response was directed towards victorhv23, not you. But with regards to your response, I do not believe in any religon apart from Christianity, so I cant disagree with your points posted earlier, but unlike you, I belive that "my" organised religion is great and its right for me. God bless.

[Jeremyguru]

When you start talking about your desire to murder religious people, you sound a lot like a religious extremist zealot yourself.

[NJRJC]

I love how almost all extreemly religious people have that "look" about them - its the deer in the headlights look, and I think we all know why the look is the same - its the expression of an idiot confronted by a concept his or her feeble brain doesn't have the ability to process, so they just let the idea take over.

[beandick]

And why is society so bad in the east most parts-like in iraq beacuse they are religous states or religious contries not democracys, hence the korruption on the streets and i dont mean a guy takng drugs ect or anything like that no, but things their laws say is right: against homosexuality, bad rights for women, punishments so korrupt the uk were doing 300 years ago !!! executions even stoning women to death because of adultery !?!

[snasxs]

Muslim preacher persecuted for believing in Ahla:

Ali al-Timimi was convicted by a court in Alexandria, Virginia, in April. Presiding US District Judge Leonie Brinkema said the evidence supported the mandatory life sentence. The 41-year-old cleric was accused of telling young Muslims at a mosque that believers must take part in a holy war in support of the Taleban in Afghanistan.

Is this the speech and religious freedom westerners are preaching to China?

[snasxs]

You know what, I hear some Christians claim Ghod is not religious, and *He is a fact* ;-) I bet you agree with him. Talking to you, I witness again close-minded and stanch suppression of Religious Freedom. I call for you to respect diversity and religious freedom of all people. Obviously, there is neither tolerance, nor accommodation for religious freedom in the US - only Christian domination.

[macman13]

Churches should have to pay taxes. Even if they're not political.

[midrest778]

Hey fatuglystupid, your nickname is just right!

[gangstertjej87]

the scriptures also says you should obey the laws of your country this isn't exactly doing that is it?

[IOWAforRonPaul]

I suppose this is an example of what can happen in a climate of moral relativism.

[IOWAforRonPaul]

*ask where these laws.....

[IOWAforRonPaul]

By the way, I know nothing about this particular case but I do care about religious liberty. Unfortunately, in this day and age every piece of legislation is used as a precedent for additional legislation/judicial precedent. Sometimes the best thing to do concerning judicial matters is where are these laws taking us and for what purpose could this case be used.

[IOWAforRonPaul]

Seriously, go to VideoGoogle and Search Cristero- Soldiers of Christ. See what "Supreme Government" did to those who fought for religious freedom less than 100 years ago. Funny how we are taught nothing about this in our public schools

[fatuglystupid]

of course pedophiles want to stand up for polygamists.

[justinandcindy88]

this is true, even though the government protects you, u are free to believe, but not to free to act upon it...

[Justjokingjackrabbit]

So, breaking laws against bigamy/polygamy are bad, but breaking tax statutes by mixing politics and religion is bad. The Catholic Church wants to keep its tax exempt $tatu$ and have thousands of priests, nuns, and laity march in DC from the US and abroad and influence our law makers but they don't want to let 10,000 people out in the West keep practicing polygamy. Can you say hypocrisy? Either allow polygamy and let churchs mix politics and religion, or ban polygamy and tax all churchs!

[beandick]

lets face it religion is fucked up. evry fucking bible quran whatever dicktates itself. religion is a lie. not god. religion

[havock89]

I disagree. I read the Old and New Testament regularily. I do not find any such lies. The relationship between man and God has progressed in an impossibly accurate way over the last 6000 years which for me speaks volumes about its authenticity and authority.

[beandick]

ok all i think is that mankind would do alot better by not listing to such crap that was written by MAN and their beliefs at that time - oh and fine if u agrre with most of the things that u ahve read than fine but wt about the other 97% or how about i just say go read the quran and then wt do u think about organnised religion !

[havock89]

As far as I am concerned Roman Catholicism is the best (IMHO) and cannot argue the validity of other religions. Only way to combat mankinds evil is though building a relationship with God, the only way of doing that is through interacting with the Church and through Scripture. Anything else is all hogwash and fails ... Continued...

[beandick]

What i dont like though, is people who say they are something e.g. a muslim callling themsleves a muslim, when they dont beleive in all of it, (the quran) beacuse that what its about,the real muslims are the extremists some which become terrorists and this is why u see branches of religions sectors within sectors because of confusion, but yeh religion is great we all need it to survive and be happy ?!

[havock89]

spirituality without direction and religion leads to a superficial understanind of God, where there are no demands placed on themselves, and no improvement / growth is made, by themselves. Search for the truth behind Christianty, and you will find Joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, generocity, faithfulness, modesty, self-control and chastity. Written by man or not!

[beandick]

BUT, the thing is havock89, y is it i find peace, patience,kindness, goodness, genrocity and so on and so forth, without religion in my day to day life. And if the bible was written by man and is not the words of jesus crist "the son of god" then realy its just another someones values and beliefs. jesus was probably a street magician.

[havock89]

Of course the bible is written by man. But it is profoundly inspired by God. The Holy Spirit works through people, and not inspite of them. Humans very rarely have totally genuine thoughts, everything you know is taught to you by someone, either directly or indirectly. Unqualifiable statements like "Jesus was probably a street magician" shows a profound lack of respect. Here is the biggest value and belief that comes from someone else ... rebellion.

[WorldwideChurchOfGod]

If you read your Bible, you will see that Abraham, Issac, Jacob, all had multiple wives. The Catholic Church created the monogamy myth and surpressed the truth for 2000 years.

[voxecho]

Does he actually say anything here? He doesn't actually say that he is opposed to poly... or for it; he simply says that there are limits through the law. Then he follows up with giving examples of how the government shouldn't have so much oversight. So is he pro or con?

-Echo (NONE Mormon - no childbrides - polygamist)

[5895223]

Gives some interesting points and he also highlights the subjectivity of the laws governing the nature of what is political and what is religious. He put his point across very well. But what if those laws had been used to stop Martin Luther King? What would be the state of America today? It gives you food for thought I'll give it that. Might check out more of this guy's stuff if it's like this. Good stuff.

[LilySina]

"Those laws" could not have been used to stop MLK- he advocated non-violence, whereas Jeffs has been coercing underage girls into sexually abusive relationships.

[Zeadman2]

i like this giy he is cool even thow i am LDS i think that he is vary smart and has amazing insite.... thanks for the post realy i give it a 4 outa 5

[itubeyoutubewetube]

who defines these limits and according to what?