@AdmiralArcher yeah i would say lol. my city's transit bought a 1984 demo model for university runs, it was gone in the early 90s as OC Transpo acquired it
The TTC can't even find good quality buses and when they do find one, they find excuses not to buy them. Case in point, the GM TA60-102N.
The buses that make up most of the fleet were built by Orion and the city of Toronto bought them just because the buses were made in Ontario hence you have politicians who always say "Buy locally". The TTC/city has never even tested the buses before buying them and the TTC drivers have NO say in what buses are ordered.
Shoulda' stuck with the GM New Look.... Why ditch something that works perfectly, its the same story here in england... They have ditched all the old good looking, good sounding reliable buses in favour of modern plastic moulded pieces of shit that sound like big vaccum cleaners & constantly break down & have no soul or character :-( Fools... Its Madness!
Leyland Lynxes seemed to rot rapidly here in the UK, and all have required major frame repairs. Buses built down to a price, using the cheapest steel they could find.
The Orion IIIs look like crap to me! Those buses were disconnected from service in June 2003, 19 were rebuilt. Some of the Ikarus buses were sold to OC Transpo which they had them until 2003.
No, the buses themselves were structurally bad....the 1987 New Flyers had steel tube frames (as opposed to solid steel beams which GM New Looks use) and they corroded from the inside out, the Orion-Ikaruses were fabricated with low-quality Hungarian steel (in the former Soviet block buses were replaced every six or seven years but in Canada we expect them to last 20 years)
The 1990 New Flyers had rear structures built for a DD 6V71N/V730 drivetrain but the TTC switched the order, over NFI's objections, to the Cummins L10TA/ZF HP500 drivetrain which required a more substantive upper structure and heavier suspension to hold it up....the result was a tyailheaviness that caused the engine cradle to smack the ground over intersection crowns and driveway cuts. The Orion 6 was just poor design, all the weight was located in the left rear corner
@tovinman TTC got rid of Orion 6 for the same reason why NYCT MTA got rid of their Orion 6s so early. But my city area still got all of their 2001-02 Orion 6s (which are the last orders before it got discontinued production) and they barely have problems and still going strong along with Washington DC WMATA and Los Angeles MTA's 2000-01 Orion 6s.
The Orion 6s also had heavy CNG tanks in the roof, and were never meant to carry a typical TTC crush load of 100+ people, so the floors warped, axles and wheel rims had to be redesigned, the steering columns all had to be replaced, and so on.
The interiors fared pretty well, we don't see a lot of graffitti or scratchitti or vandalism in general up here
i always take the 133 neilson but those buses are a peice of shit...well not the orion v 1996 & the new orion vii hev ng hybrids...but all the rest of the buses suck!!!
I can't believe this shit. those buses were from Hungary or hungarians copy them. Anyway similar buses rode in Havana too during the 1980's and they were the same piece of shit.
D40 frames for the L10 included stiffer rear suspension and more structure, plus additional vibration dampening. The TTC units were built for the 6V92TA engine. The L10TA/ZF HP500 powertrain was considerably heavier than a 6V91TA/V731
That would explain why NYCT was quick to retire their Orion 6 fleet; even the NJT rejects. Very informative video. Thanks for posting.
BXM4C 8 months ago
Any more pictures of TTC buses in the old livery??
D4090 9 months ago
The Orion Ikarus made the 1st "accordion" buses? Eww! That bus looked weird.
AdmiralArcher 10 months ago
@AdmiralArcher yeah i would say lol. my city's transit bought a 1984 demo model for university runs, it was gone in the early 90s as OC Transpo acquired it
97SCT 6 months ago
The TTC can't even find good quality buses and when they do find one, they find excuses not to buy them. Case in point, the GM TA60-102N.
The buses that make up most of the fleet were built by Orion and the city of Toronto bought them just because the buses were made in Ontario hence you have politicians who always say "Buy locally". The TTC/city has never even tested the buses before buying them and the TTC drivers have NO say in what buses are ordered.
juliachan1987 1 year ago
The same thing happened to the AMG buses NFTA Metro, in Buffalo bought in 1976. They had lots of structural problems with revets.
gmcbuses 1 year ago
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lexbus2001 2 years ago
It's like all buses are gone
lexbus2001 2 years ago
Shoulda' stuck with the GM New Look.... Why ditch something that works perfectly, its the same story here in england... They have ditched all the old good looking, good sounding reliable buses in favour of modern plastic moulded pieces of shit that sound like big vaccum cleaners & constantly break down & have no soul or character :-( Fools... Its Madness!
drewerz01 2 years ago
Leyland Lynxes seemed to rot rapidly here in the UK, and all have required major frame repairs. Buses built down to a price, using the cheapest steel they could find.
craigybus1 2 years ago
i know but there still my favorite lol
D4090 2 years ago
Top of the crap heap lol
jamin108 2 years ago
I took the photo of 6589 in October 1990 at Don Mills & Wynford Drive. It still hadn't
had advertising racks installed
tovinman 3 years ago
Would it be ok with you for me to have that picture? These are my favorite buses. Thanks!
D4090 3 years ago
The D40-90 in old livery is nice!
D4090 3 years ago
Where did u get the pic of 6589?
D4090 3 years ago
I wish these buses were all in service.
ttcsubwayfan 3 years ago 2
The Orion IIIs look like crap to me! Those buses were disconnected from service in June 2003, 19 were rebuilt. Some of the Ikarus buses were sold to OC Transpo which they had them until 2003.
freshcorp19 3 years ago
obviosly alot off teenageer been on these buses to cause them to deteriorate like this
smartestinUSA 3 years ago
No, the buses themselves were structurally bad....the 1987 New Flyers had steel tube frames (as opposed to solid steel beams which GM New Looks use) and they corroded from the inside out, the Orion-Ikaruses were fabricated with low-quality Hungarian steel (in the former Soviet block buses were replaced every six or seven years but in Canada we expect them to last 20 years)
(see part 2)
tovinman 3 years ago
Part 2 -
The 1990 New Flyers had rear structures built for a DD 6V71N/V730 drivetrain but the TTC switched the order, over NFI's objections, to the Cummins L10TA/ZF HP500 drivetrain which required a more substantive upper structure and heavier suspension to hold it up....the result was a tyailheaviness that caused the engine cradle to smack the ground over intersection crowns and driveway cuts. The Orion 6 was just poor design, all the weight was located in the left rear corner
(see pt 3)
tovinman 3 years ago
@tovinman TTC got rid of Orion 6 for the same reason why NYCT MTA got rid of their Orion 6s so early. But my city area still got all of their 2001-02 Orion 6s (which are the last orders before it got discontinued production) and they barely have problems and still going strong along with Washington DC WMATA and Los Angeles MTA's 2000-01 Orion 6s.
qwandiddy 1 year ago
The Orion 6s also had heavy CNG tanks in the roof, and were never meant to carry a typical TTC crush load of 100+ people, so the floors warped, axles and wheel rims had to be redesigned, the steering columns all had to be replaced, and so on.
The interiors fared pretty well, we don't see a lot of graffitti or scratchitti or vandalism in general up here
tovinman 3 years ago
i had NEVER been on an orion 6 cng ever!!
kingjokerakadd1 3 years ago
i always take the 133 neilson but those buses are a peice of shit...well not the orion v 1996 & the new orion vii hev ng hybrids...but all the rest of the buses suck!!!
hilfansrock 3 years ago
The TTC isn't as thrilled with those hybrids...they're complaining that they
aren't getting the fuel mileage Orion
claimed they would and the batteries are
failing twice as fast as originally believed.
tovinman 3 years ago
The GM New Looks don't stuck, they're better than all the other buses in the fleet.
ttcsubwayfan 3 years ago
Sorry I mean suck.
ttcsubwayfan 3 years ago
I was talking about the orion Ikarus
Ernie4473 4 years ago
I can't believe this shit. those buses were from Hungary or hungarians copy them. Anyway similar buses rode in Havana too during the 1980's and they were the same piece of shit.
Ernie4473 4 years ago
That drivetrain was also heavier than the 6V92TA/V731, but suffered less from vibration
Flyer eventually changed the frame in 1992 so
that any drivetrain could be used
tovinman 4 years ago
L10 mounted on the 'wrong' frame on the D40-90s? Meaning not intended for V drive but T drive?
ClassicTVFan82 4 years ago
D40 frames for the L10 included stiffer rear suspension and more structure, plus additional vibration dampening. The TTC units were built for the 6V92TA engine. The L10TA/ZF HP500 powertrain was considerably heavier than a 6V91TA/V731
powertrain and thus the buses were tailheavy
and vibrated violently at idle.
tovinman 4 years ago
What about L10/Voith D863.3ADR?
ClassicTVFan82 4 years ago