Battle of Cynoscephalae (Part 1/3)

[BuckFastZombie]

Reading a book is not a more accurate. Not always! You are often reading about the blurred, panniced testimonials of people who were fleeing the battlefield! Much of this is uncertain, its a best guess, as are most historic battles.

[EvilPoet85]

looks like they used Rome total war for the battle animation

[Bajedu]

i have rtw and i cant have that much troops!!! WHAAA!!!! X((

[zakhi2008]

@Bajedu I have RTW but I don't have PC. So you're luckier than me ;))

[EvilFingerTeacher]

There is an element of adorableness with the Roman adoption and incorporation of elephants (foreign element) into their own army and tactics...

Though I wouldn't call that something they did to stroke their own narcissistic egos...

[EvilFingerTeacher]

There is an element of adorableness with the Roman adoption and incorporation of elephants (foreign element) into their own army and tactics...

Though I wouldn't call that something they did to stroke their own narcissistic egos...

[selena3242]

Saying the truth i think that the men are the most stupid entity of the planet!

[aminoacid1648856]

I would love to play Rome Total War on that big scale, as long as it don't lag that is.

[Hypastpist]

HOW DO I GET THAT MANY TROOPS!?!?!

[jimthehappymonkey1]

...and 20 elephants, as illustrated by these 50 elephants....

[TheYu87]

It was organised in Polybian Infantry Cohorts each of which were divided into squares, the maniples which formed the 5 of a dice! It was called the quincux. ( I am a history wizard so the information is correct)... Comment please!

[XxC0ldH3artxX]

Look, guys there are many historical errors in this video. If you want accuracy, then read a book!

[Rockfan977]

@XxC0ldH3artxX amen

[BlackNemo1]

Hell yeaaaaaa Total war rules :D

[karlscooter1]

Key-nos-Kef-al-eye



[grimacekiller]

can anybody tell me how to run large scale batlles like ths ive heard you can but have no clue how

[fingsish]

i concered the whole land in RTW then i took rome as britian thumbs up if you think im good and want to verse me :)

[AllanGarcia88]

@nadia237

not I use Julii and I conquer the first towns in the north of Italy and when I end I launch to conquer Dalatia (who still in rebel hands, but this is the beggining of a battle between me and Macedon, and I have a lot of problems conquering Bilzora and Tesalonica =(

I'm really bad fighting against phalanx =S, againsta barbarians, egypcias or weterns for me is easy =D

but for phalanx I suck!

[Zazaza47]

7:00

"Oh....hi!"

[AllanGarcia88]

when I play RTW I have troubles in the same part of the map...

I hate to fight in Bilazora, the Macedonian always beats up my hastati cohorts in these place =(

[wasabi107]

yea my pc can hardly hold 8000 men in RTW

[IWANAROCKYEEEAAAA]

@wasabi107 really cuz in mi pc i normally play battles of 12/11 with no problems

[wasabi107]

@IWANAROCKYEEEAAAA well my pc is pretty weak so yea :P

[IWANAROCKYEEEAAAA]

@wasabi107 hey chek mi vids they are awsome rome total war and good music wath would u ask for?

[sodalemmon]

rome total war :D :D :D i have it :DDDDDDDDDDD

[TheRomenwarriorjuli]

rome total war

[1937ninjaboy]

i swear the romans had no slingers or elephants in RTW

[jackofblades93]

@1937ninjaboy  Mercenarys!

[jackofblades93]

@1937ninjaboy Mercenaries!

[jethro035181]

fanboys...get back on your skateboards

[TK2008BEST]

ρε πως το εγραψε ο βλακας....:)))

[SquatingHobo]

@jethro035181 spoken like a true faggot

[jethro035181]

@SquatingHobo ...did i strike a nerve ? ..are you questioning your heterosexuality ? ...you should call the jimmy swaggart gay counselling line

[maiabh]

i'm gonna buy a new computer. what would you say are the minimum requirements to play total war witout lagging horribly??

[jethro035181]

anyone involved in computer gaming runs the risk of insipiant homosexuality...your testicles will shrivel and run and hide under your liver....i urge all of you to give this up, and try to find a girl...most of you will be rejected but you have to try sometime...you can't live with your mom forever

[Oldcartoons571]

@jethro035181

your an idiot im sure you werent aware of that since your an idiot.

[dltmdgn]

@jethro035181 wow.. fag

[jethro035181]

@dltmdgn ..i was just trying to let you know that real men don't play computer games...this is an activity suitable to 12 year olds and spotty complexioned, effeminate social pariahs (geeks)..try to become interested in nascar, hunting or poker like macho hombres like myself...do you really think bruce willis or chuck norris would play world of war ?

[ACrules100]

@jethro035181 yet somehow it remains the most profitable industry around strange.

[jethro035181]

@ACrules100 ...if true, this just means there are a lot of you femme boys around...it doesn't mitigate your condition or your questionable interests

[ACrules100]

@jethro035181 also gamers are shown to have more sex swell as have more active social lives than non gamers.

[jethro035181]

@ACrules100 ...gamer sex, is virtual sex and video porn...all gamers have warts and hair on the palms of their right hand...most people don't consider chat rooms as being a social life....i go down to the local honky tonk and pick up woman, i shoot a .375 H&H mag. and drive a muscle car...my masculinity cannot be questioned but yours (gamers), we're not too sure about...real women cost less than a video game, so why not try it

[ACrules100]

@jethro035181 questioning your masculinity (Anybody could easily I assume),also hair and warts on your right palm?Don't know much about the human body clearly because you would know masturbation doesn't do that (A stupid catholic myth) also how does shooting a gun make you a man?I assume you hunt?Great killing defencless animals,try a knife.

[jethro035181]

@ACrules100 ..your reply illustrates the extreme disconnect between traditional values (mine) and your mutated version...my ideas created america and saw us through in iraq, kuwait, panama and vietnam...your values are straight out of "harold and kumar"...but, i must remember your country is run by quebecois, indians and gay pressure groups...hunting and firearms are normal male interests...no gamer boy could handle a .375 (extreme recoil)...a measure of masculinity...the stars and bars forever!

[ACrules100]

@jethro035181 logic dictates that you are ovibously a troll or why else would you come on a video using video games to preach your supposed superiorty (which isnt true of course),also america lost veitnam you know that right?

[vlaitor]

@jethro035181

Trying to compensate for something ? haha

[IWANAROCKYEEEAAAA]

@jethro035181 hahah hey macho men go back to your forest and stop trolling in utube

[IWANAROCKYEEEAAAA]

@jethro035181 I love total war ,metal, mi girl and mi old school mosin nagat and chuk norris is not a tough guy ask a any men in spetnatz those are real tough guys and poker playing with a fu*cking card doesn't make u more or less men and i forgot to tell u does hiting in full auto with an ak-47 at 230m and in semi at 400m makes u a real men?cuz i did that wen i was f*cking 13 so please dont go macho over u tube stop velieving in sterotipes and dont be a kid and call me a "comie"and be MATURE!!!

[jethro035181]

@IWANAROCKYEEEAAAA ..lets stop the fantasies..you can't hit anything at 400m with a kalashnikov and you don't know anything about socialism or the spetsnaz...i shoot a .375 H&H mag., load all my own ammo and have hunted the high arctic (alone)..i drive a muscle car and i despise gamers, because gaming has lead to the feminization of the american maie...all you fat assed little queers think that your world of diminished expectations is acceptable...the redneck is superior in all ways

[IWANAROCKYEEEAAAA]

@jethro035181 with a good ak u can hit far ooooooooooveeeer 400m i've used many ak(even those shity chineze ak or those frankestain ak)and mi girlfriend has shooted her 357 wath does that makes her?

hey have u used an .600 nitro express?that shit does kicks like a mule(no im not trolling im just asking u and please dude dont insult everyone)and a musle car how does even needs that a true hunter hunts humans not animals that can't shoot back unless u use a knife the only times i've hunted jabalis

[IWANAROCKYEEEAAAA]

@jethro035181 the only times i've hunted jabalis(wild pigs or something the ones from uruguay are bigas f*ck far more than those litle european animals)was walking or in a horse im not a "real" hunter so i used mi mosin nagat awsome rifle u should use it is a cheap and trusty russian rifle.

and i've used an FN FAL (mi army standart combat rifle)and is not really good too heavy and not really acurate the m1 garand and m14 are far more acurate the m1 garand is just awsome u can't miss at 100m

[jethro035181]

@IWANAROCKYEEEAAAA ...the only problem in shooting military pieces, is that they're inaccurate compared to good sporting rifles and they're wasteful of ammunition...100 rounds here cost anywhere between $200-$500...you must hand load if you shoot a lot...lately i've taken to shooting black powder (muzzleloaders) because they're fun and inexpensive...you can build your own for under $100 from a kit...hunting in the canadian arctic (caribou) is strenuous and very cold (-40C)..

[IWANAROCKYEEEAAAA]

@jethro035181 well in hear u can buy hundreds of rounds of 7.62x51 for less than 100usdolars most of our soldiers are poor so there is a lot of corrupcion

[29gmj]

@jethro035181 But in the end the geeks work for more money than you and can get the best girls

[jethro035181]

@29gmj ...geeks will always wind up working for jocks ...and the very best women go with the testosterone

[MultiStendhal]

yeah rome total war

[mcblah]

4:40 ...that's way more than 20 elephants

[Tanakun09]

One thing is for certain, this is much more educational and better to enjoy watching, than one with low budget props of actors portraying the historic events.

[MoRtALGoDTiTaN]

HOLY FUCK CAN ANYONE ELSE IMAGINE HOW DAMN STRONG THOSE COMPUTERS MUST BE TO HOLD THAT MANY DAMN TROOPS ON SCREEN???????????? THUMBS UP IF YOU APPLAUD THE MASSIVE SCALE BATTLES!!!

[TheRomanRuler]

@MoRtALGoDTiTaN Well 1 000 € Computer is enough. Many of those wchich bay 1 000 € are made for work, not for home. If you buy game computer, it works you with no lag at all

[Michael880716]

@MoRtALGoDTiTaN I think our computer now days can handle more....this is only Rome :Total War (man I was addicted to it for years XD), now we have Medival Total war 2, you can check it out haha and buy one if you wanna fight battles yourself.

[IWANAROCKYEEEAAAA]

@Michael880716 i have rome ,empire,and medieval 2 total war they are all great buth rome total war was and it will be the best

[TheLloydA1]

@IWANAROCKYEEEAAAA i cant wait for rome total war 2.

[IWANAROCKYEEEAAAA]

@TheLloydA1 have u played rome total realism?cuz its reall good

[TheLloydA1]

@IWANAROCKYEEEAAAA no i havent, whats that ?

[IWANAROCKYEEEAAAA]

@TheLloydA1 Its a mod with bether grafics moer units diferent factions olmost a rome total war 2

[TheLloydA1]

@IWANAROCKYEEEAAAA sounds epic, how much is it ?

[IWANAROCKYEEEAAAA]

@TheLloydA1 thats the best part its free u need the patch 1.5 or 1.6

rome total realism . com

[IWANAROCKYEEEAAAA]

@TheLloydA1 sorry is .org not .com

[TsumeBeta038]

@MoRtALGoDTiTaN yup

[MrEvilpieman]

@MoRtALGoDTiTaN my comp has this many men

[Vandrithable]

@MoRtALGoDTiTaN Eh, the game is pretty old now. My basic rig can run massive unit-scale and maxed graphic. Admittedly, when this was made, the scale was something to be awed by

[davy13682]

@MoRtALGoDTiTaN

I just asked myself the same! XD

[maledwarfwarrior]

@MoRtALGoDTiTaN or they used a server of gaming computers rented out :P

[RTRVII]

@MoRtALGoDTiTaN it is rendered afterwards even a medium Dell pc can run this kind of battles.

[CCCP307]

@MoRtALGoDTiTaN MY COMPUTER CAN HANDLE HUGE ON ROME TOTAL WAY, THIS MUST BE HUGE X100!!!

[CCCP307]

@CCCP307 i mean cant!

[ASSHOLELA]

@MoRtALGoDTiTaN

those producers had tens of millions. Who knows they could not be using supercomputers or computer arrays?

[richlimme]

Who said playing games dwarfs our intelligence. History channel proves other wise.

I bet they had fun making the video.

[AndreFils84]

Elephant the original Tank

[mattekillert]

Man, im so thankful that i can watch this thanks to new gaming technology that i can watch this as never before. the vast number of soilders, troop formations how they fought and how the battle was won. im so happy i can get the view generals wish they had!

thumbs up peeps

[TheRugbyfullback]

@mattekillert you wish

[Alexandros1294]

Alexander the Great actually wasn't an ancestor of Philip V. They were from two different dynasties. Alexander was from the Argead Dynasty, and Philip V was part of the Antigonid Dynasty.

[Milsane]

ive to install rome again ...!

[hermanuslinssen]

yaay elephants in rome total war that romans use !! great :P

[SuperHIENZ]

this was shown on the history channel??

wow when was this shown??anyone?

[mintico]

how i wish rome total war can have an option for a bigger army scale than huge...maybe epic size like twice that of huge. max 480 units per unit card. than it will be epic

[TheWoodstock2009]

@mintico I tried to get a 500 unit size working by modificating the files of the game stats , but it did not load :( i guess we have to stick with huge!

[Asinhk]

I wondered why the host looked familiar...he played Capt. Speirs in Band of Brothers.

[TheAntiochus]

This wouldve been so much more effective if they either:

A: Modded Medieval 2 total war

B: Used SPQR mod for Rome Total War.

Original Rome Total War is unrealistic. It's a gameplay thing. If you want realistic and cool looking battles, you use mods.

[MrXxxilikepiexxx]

@TheAntiochus This is the History Channel's modded version of RTW, this isn't the original.

[Asinhk]

@TheAntiochus

This show came out shortly after RTW came out and four years before MTW2 came out, so they didn't have much of a choice.

[TheWoodstock2009]

@TheAntiochus SPQR mod sucks.if you want realism,roma surrectum or europa barbarorum are much better.

[jabames]

@TheWoodstock2009 i like the Extended Greek Mod

[luchoxdful]

bad for filipo V... they choose the worst ally

[TheAntiochus]

How do you get so many units. Even after I click huge unit scale I can't get armies this big

[ultimatedirtclod]

mod lol. Or you get several other people to be the same faction ^^

[DoelGr]

And at the last fyrom or as you guys call it "macedonija"has its routs at slavic population that came to balkans around 10th sentury...your language is almost the same like serbian,croatian and bosnian...you have nothing to do with the ancient macedonians.Macedonians also spoke greek and expand the greek civilaitation,so its very stupid to say that fyrom has its origins from ancient macedonia...

[DoelGr]

first of all greece was not unified,second greeks where many tribe-nations like athenians,spartans,corinthians­,thessalonians,megarians,creta­ns,macedonians and many others...what greeks hated was rulled by other states in this case macedon,anyway even the name of the macedonian king is greek you said king antigonus II gonatas thats a very greek name and if you want to know what does it means:antigonus=oposite of the son(seed) II gonatas=knee man(knee a part from the foot)...

[DjGodzz]

Correct but when Macedon became rulers of greece after Alexander died his empire was split to Seleucids Egyps Pontus probz more but they where the main 1s so thats 3 other nations

[29gmj]

@DjGodzz AND THE INDIANS KICKED THE MACEDONS OUT

[AlexOfMacedonAOMH]

they should have bought the right to use mods like RTR or EB to make it look more realistic.

[CrockTrajan]

@AlexOfMacedonAOMH I hope you know that This was before the game was realeased.....

[SupaTROopa2]

06:58

there probably thinking "son of a bitch"

[UberMaKedoN]

The Greeks nevertheless continued raising rebellion after rebellion against the Macedonians to free Greece from the foreign occupation. All successors of Alexander the Great fought them, and the Macedonian king Antigonus II Gonatas fought three Greek uprising who unified against the barbarous Macedonians (Diodorus, Plutarch, Justin).

[UberMaKedoN]

Finally in 197 BC, the Macedonian king Philip V was defeated by the joint force of Romans and Greeks, and Macedonia lost Greece after almost 150 years of occupation. When the Romans proclaimed that Greece is free, such an enormous burst of enthusiasm exploded among the Greeks that the Roman general who made the announcement was almost killed by the mass of people that flocked to shake his hand and congratulate him for diving the Macedonians out (Livy, Polybius).

[ypruss]

/watch?v=Q36tSlVBlvU

National Geographic maps of the Balkans states 1915 - 2006.

FYROM: HOW A LIE BECOME TRUE

[seusgordo]

0:55 the history channel probaly had modified the game to use more units. I remember that was only possibly to use 20 units (in Large mode) and I can't figure out how they make only 2 horses running there (only way is modification as I know) :/

[212commandercody]

they maybe ordered CA to make more men, maybe?

I think they used more than 200 units there

[seusgordo]

yeah

but not 200 units, maybe 50 on each side.

[212commandercody]

50x 80 (1 unit of hastati/principes/triarii)=

4000, so, maybe 100 on each side

[SupaTROopa2]

fuck i want that

[predalien47]

how do they know the exact number or even the estimated number of men. I am just curious XD

[oriocoookie]

by accounts of people there ... so its not exact or even acccurate ... but you can cross reference from otehr people and location facts

[SupaTROopa2]

technically we can never really be sure, the information is from the scribes who followed along, which in those times they were very biased towards there own nation. kinda like attempting to make it better than it actually was. they could be lying or accurate, well never know

[212commandercody]

wait, this is RTW, but why we use the julii???

red is not a fit colour for flaminius

[OllersFunnys]

Alexander the Great's father was called Phillip

[EnforcerAnderson]

it was the time when the greeks were going down and the romans were becoming the new power in the mediterreneans

[cornerstone111]

The thighs of brass gave way to the legs of iron!

[29gmj]

@cornerstone111 Yess! someone else figured it out! Now we live in the times of clay and iron mixed (BRITAIN AND AMERICA) do you remember what happened to the (clay and iron )feet?

[cornerstone111]

@29gmj Iron represents Rome my friend, the bible knows nothing of America and Britian.

[THEMAGICEYETV]

the armies are much smaller if you play this battle on RTW

[leeham991]

They use the muliplayer system for recreations on RTW. And of course these people have the rights for the exe file so they can increase the unit size a little.

ANyway, the MP system allows 3 players on each team.

[savegood1]

maybe they put the unit scale in huge and have more than one player in each army but count it as one big army.

[Nagasami]

max is like 200 men in a unit

[WRH90059]

no they arnt really if u move unit scale up to huge u can almost have nearly the same size

[BobbyMan21]

@THEMAGICEYETV not necessarily. just choose unit scale ''Large'' in the Start Screen.Its in the Options ''Video summat'' place. just turn it up and u can have 200+ in a group.

[th3falconator]

damn, wish my graphics card could handle a battle of that scale

[bonaparte60]

ouch, pikes in the face

[timothying12]

how did they get all them troops?

[1989dman]

yeah I wish I knew RTW would be epic like that lol

[XVictoriousMarchX]

The decisive battles people would of got Creative Assemply to edit parts of the game such as troop numbers and troop skins etc etc!

So that it fits together!

[Galuadan]

Pitty for you that Macedonians were a Greek tribe!Propagandas come and go, so go study some Bulgarian history,cause thats what your fake country is,Bulgarian state

[Kaca999999]

macedonians werent a greek tribe,greeks called every nation that didnt speak greek barbaric and they called macedonians barbarians,gtfo fucking greek nationalistic propaganda believer

[Galuadan]

You Greek propagandist blah blah...Your only point is that they called Macedonians barbarians??WTF ATHENIANS CALLED EVERYBODY BARBARIANS!!!Its an insult of that time you shithead.and if you search u will see that only demosthenes called them barbarians for political reasons..

[Galuadan]

Besides,when Macedonians called themselfs Greeks,spoke Greek(maybe they learned second languanges??)and done anything that south Greeks do,except that still had a king what you thing where they?When Alexander the Great started his campain for revenge of atacking GREECE what do you thing this was?Charity?So let you mind be more open otherwise u can continue living in a brain wash

[29gmj]

@Galuadan I don't think Alexander invaded Persia to avenge the Greeks, he wanted the BIG 3 wealth fame and power. He had to come up with a pretty sounding reason of course

[N0vaR0ma]

macedonians were greeks bulgarians are slavs who came from the north along with the slavic migration and settled in modern day bulgaria..fukk bulgria and fukk the slavs

[29gmj]

@N0vaR0ma Is that really necessary? God made everyone

[maderi]

@Goce73 You sir are clueless

[Goce73]

J am just telling a simpel fact

[JimbobHarrigan]

Two different fighting styles, this should be interesting.

[Spartiatai300]

Rome wasn't superior, infact Rome copied alot of things from the Greeks, and with alot I really mean alot.

And besides, the Greeks were devided.

When the Romans fought Macedon Macedon had a weak cavalry arm and Rome's army were veterans from the fighting with Carthage.

Far from just being superior.

[Jizuschrist]

Not to mention the city states sided with Rome.

[Kenshiroit]

naah they adopted something, but not to much.

[Spartiatai300]

Search it up, Romans copied things from almost everyone. Just a few things like roads and sanitary are their own inovations, the rest ist copied.

[Kenshiroit]

No. Beside that back then just like today, everybody "copied" from everybody (Egyptian from sumerians, Greecs from Egyptians and phoenicians ect) Rome had plenty of innovations made by their own. May I ask you were did you do your search?

[RockFreak67]

many military formations and ideas originate from rome

[Spartiatai300]

Yes, and alot of their formations were copied, their manipular formation from the Samnites. Their Phalanx formation from the Greeks. Their wedge formation from the Celts and Germanics.

Some are there's but Rome was a huge assimilating machine.

[tacotony24]

interesting...can you post the links to your sources so I can research these?

[Spartiatai300]

I'm more of a amateur Historian, also for alot of Historical facts Europa Barbarorum is a good source, though a game its full of Historical correct facts. As it is made by alot of Historians.

[WeGotTehPie]

That is basic knowledge really. Talked about that stuff in freshman world history. Although I can honestly say I already knew half the crap they taught me in that class. But yeah they copied a lot of stuff from other cultures, thats one reason why they were so successful. They had no navy until the Punic Wars when the Romans captured a Carthaginian ship and copied it, they got the gladius from Spaniards, and military tactics from their enemies, ie introduction of horse archers into the military.

[tacotony24]

It would be appreciable if you can provide your sources. Students of history would be able to research these.

[Janforth04]

yeah for every race conquered they leaned more....and made improvisations...

[Oldcartoons571]

@WeGotTehPie Thats a common thing people think they had no navy before the first punic war. I doubt it says that in ur book as its not true at all. They had a navy it just want as good as Carthage's navy.

[WeGotTehPie]

Thats what made them great.

[theme99]

Copied??

Lol the world is not a video game or a picture. Are we considered copy cats for buying foreign cars or using technologies developed in other countries.

[Spartiatai300]

If you copy something from someone then you copy it, maybe you still don't get it?

[theme99]

If you copy something from SOMEONE, exactly. There is a big difference between copying something from someone and copying technology from another country. good job spart

[Spartiatai300]

You really aren't that smart are you? Copying is copying, whether copying something from a person or a nation.

[theme99]

I cannot believe you just asked me if I was smart... too funny. Everything does not work on the same scale (ex: your perspective from school is a lot different from how countries develope) hope you take something from that. bye

[byzanto]

this is true my brother the macedonian army was not the same army of alexander