Wow - Protection Paladin - Best Talent/Raiding spec for threat/survivability. Patch 3.3.2

[deleyb]

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[victorhrod23]

im starting to play WoW, and i dont understand a shit about talents and stuff xD

[TheEpicJedi]

ah fk it I'll try all of them (from 3rd to 1st)

[Psykokiller1]

0 dislikes <3 :)

[MultiDeathwatcher]

dude u wanna be a pally just dont forget to get ur dodge block and the other one if u do that then ur set u also need mana every pally tank needs mana dont for get the mana if wanna get started increase ur defense up to 500 or something

[thewhateven]

I messed up on my points, can i clear them and try again? :3

[youngmaryae]

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[iKhazModan]

'This gives you everything you want, and nothing that you really need.' xD

[nsbryer]

Hey man, you mentioned a macro to remove the divine sacriface off of yourself so you dont take that damage but your party still benifits from divine guardian. Could you point me in the right direction as to where I can find said macro? Regards. Nanik EU Bronze Dragonflight.

[MrShadowkid95]

man thnx for the videos dude, i see so many mistakes that i made, im still lvling (73 currently) as prot and the healers suck at this point so i got divinity in hopes that we may not wipe (lol, dungeons are easy mode), thnx alot man

[temp3st90]

Using Hammer of the Righteous with Seal of Vengeance stacks so it dots all 3(or 4 w/ gylphs) so if you group mobs in 3-4 you can keep it up, and with seals of the pure 15% more damage with it all.

[mazok88]

i think toughness should be maxed in all builds. this is my opinion i use it on my pally tank and its ok, the first spec u made i think is better. and about seal of command, id use better seal of vengeance and keep consecrate up all time. but this is my opinion. let me know if i said something wrong ! cheers

[everlively]

which is better to put the 3 extra talents in when your getting down the prot tree for 5 mans? reckoning or the guardian talents?

[trickyfrank]

bad bad talent tree ... cz if you know your cooldown .. you dont need 2 points in improved Judgments. ... also .. conviction is not such a good thing for tanks

[justinounjian]

@trickyfrank Yay a troll! Most of the best pally tanks in the world run 2 points into imp judgment. Why? Cause there isn't a better place for that 1 point. Where would u put that one point? Benediction? 1/2 imp might? Both are useless. And i know conviction is not vary strong. If u actually watch the video i did another spec w/o it at all. I was just saying, all debuffs accounted for, 5/5 conviction is better threat then anything else for people seeking more threat. Im right ur wrong dont argue.

[trickyfrank]

@justinounjian i used it on SoC .. which is great ! ...i saw the two trees you posted .. but check out a toon ... destrin from anetheron

[justinounjian]

@trickyfrank SoC is good, only for trash tho, and maybe Dreamwalker or Deathwhisper. I dont see why u have 1/2 imp might tho, that point is more useless there then it would be in imp judge. Also blade ward is one of the worst chants for prot, ur wep isn't bis for EH or for threat, the 277 t10 helm would have been a bigger up grade over the t10 chest as for EH goes. Armory my dude see what u think, should be in my soak gear like 50k ub.

[BreackingBenjamin]

When your tanking in raids/dunegons do you use seal of command? because i will be new to 80 prot pally soon and im just getting the run down of what stuff does and how i should do it :D

[justinounjian]

@BreackingBenjamin Like i said before, its utility talent, its is better on trash. For bosses and single target its not.

[ThePortalwow]

nice dude

[LoNgBoArDsFoRLiF]

With the changes to Vindication, do you recomend it more? or less?

[justinounjian]

@LoNgBoArDsFoRLiF Um changes? Its been 574 attack power for quite a while now. The site I used is just out of date. And yes this talent is mandatory UNLESS u have a warrior with imp demo shout or a feral druid with imp demo roar(all are the same debuff and obviously dont stack)

[fallewings1810]

is SoComm actually worth putting on talent? coz in icc most of the mobs is undead and u can just glyph holy wrath for aoe and usually consecration is enough if u let it up all the time

[justinounjian]

SoComm is a utility talent. It will beat out SoV when there are 4+ adds most of the time. On bosses its obviously not better. And yes holy wrath would be a great glyph for some of icc trash, but for most people with only one tank spec its a pretty shitty boss glyph. Taunt or salv are the ones i use. Carry around 10 of each and change them depending on the fight. So if u want to tank trash better get SoComm, if u dont care about trash... dont.

[PAPiRiZ1]

helped me out a bit 5stars for it man keep up tha good vidds!

[cypher5001]

Why no PoJ in your primary build? It'll net you more threat than 2 points of Conviction as long as you spend more than ~2 seconds moving per minute (which is virtually every encounter in ICC save maybe Saurfang). I believe the math is on maintankadin somewhere..

Also, for your threat spec, you should consider putting 1 point in JotJ: The application of the JotJ debuff registers as a physical attack, which, unless it's been fixed, gives you an extra SoComm proc every time you judge. Try it.. ;)

[justinounjian]

@cypher5001 Again another great comment. I feel PoJ is more of a personal preference then anything. And there are encounters its less effective on then just Saurfang. P2 lady deathwhisper (which is going to be the crux of the fight in heroic), Gunship (bout 50/50), Festergut(no use here), Rotface(good only if ur kiting otherwise useless), BQL(useless), Professor(if ur the abom useless, if ur the MT only helps u move the boss faster, wont help with threat as he should follow u around)

[cypher5001]

@justinounjian I suppose.. But what about all the other more difficult fights where it does matter (like Sindragosa and the Lich King)? Being able to move to and from dangerous things 15% faster is far, far more likely to save your raid than the ~0.8% damage increase that 2 points in Conviction affords you. Besides, if you're pressed for threat, you'd gain far more by just swapping in the ret libram and/or a slower weapon--probably the best solution since you can do it in combat.

Cheers

[justinounjian]

@cypher5001 Oh right i was thinking SotP for some reason. What a weird bug tho. I assume it will be fix soon.

[justinounjian]

@cypher5001 And i dont see how JotJ will proc and EXTRA SoComm tick. Is it a bug? The talent simply increases judgment damage. As I understand untalented it should still proc a SoComm on every judgment still or am i wrong in that assumption?

[cypher5001]

@justinounjian Judgements of the Just puts a debuff on your target whenever you judge that decreases their attack speed (it doesn't "increase judgement damage"--maybe you're thinking of something else?). In any case, the application of the debuff itself counts as a physical attack, so if you have 1 point in the talent, you'll get a double seal proc whenever you judge: One proc from judgement, and one from JotJ's application.

Google "judgements of the just procs seals" for more info on the bug.

[balla32636]

just question. in the holy tree there is a talent that increases your seal of veng/curruption by 20% or something is there a viable raiding build with that talent? cuz that should or if i think in simplest form increase threat overall by a good chunk

[justinounjian]

@balla32636 seems obvious right? But actually it not better then crusade. And u cant have both, so point for point crusade in the ret tree is better then seals of the pure.

[njz23]

yeah , got any ideas for me , for leveling??

[justinounjian]

@njz23 Yup, level as ret :)

[Rali613]

What one of these specs, would you recommend for Off-Tanking?

[justinounjian]

@Rali613 the vary first spec i cover. Like i said in the vid gives u everything u need, and nothing u dont need,

[njz23]

yo man i have a level 80 rogue i am thinkinh about rerolling to a paladin pst me back please, I need to know some stuff thank you . i am just scared if i level a paladin to 80 that he will get boaring at 80 =/

[justinounjian]

@njz23 paladins are probably the most overpowered class in game right now. Them being "boring" or not is personal preference.

[benb132]

can you plz make a vid about the tallent tree for 5-man

[bluerosemedia]

another great vid btw very informative :)

[bluerosemedia]

I thought 2 points in Imp Judgment was a big No.. have things changed? since 3.3 thanks

[justinounjian]

@bluerosemedia It really isnt an issue. The only other place u can really put that point is in benediction, but mana problems in raids are a non issue. So the extra point is nice in case u mob is out of range from u, u can hit it with a judgement 1 sec sooner.

[pontus950]

is that talent three good in wsg??

so i can pvp mutsh?

[justinounjian]

@pontus950 eh the talent tree is missing a few key pvp talents. But i fuck shit up in wsg, maybe it cause i run around with 46k hp unbuffed :)

[jaylikesweed420]

when a prot pally says there hp do we count are bos cuzz i never know what to tell raid leaders

[justinounjian]

@jaylikesweed420 u can tell him 2 different things. Unbuffed health (which is pretty self explanatory) or Self buffed health(aka SB). Then u just buff with BoS or BoK and tell them that.

[thehateo0]

Thanks for the help ;)

Was wondering if you maybe could make a spec for HC's because im gonna farm alot hc because i almost ding 80. So if you would do that it would be super awsome, because i think its very confused to make a spec.

[carlenn2008]

Very helpful mate :)