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  • Call it what you may - the most sensational spiritual revolution, or the spiritual blitzkrieg, the revolution of which the mankind had never witnessed before. To this very day, no other religion comes even close to matching Qur’an's record of the spectacular impact on lives of masses.

  • @osamyoosama Zorasterianism, was one of the most wide spread faith in the world, its a monotheistic religion that said to have started in Afghanistan, is still in India today, but it was the religion of the Persian empire, and before it was engulfed by christianity and Islam was the major world religion for thousands of years. There is also a faith called buddhism thats till the worlds largest religion today, so your actually very wrong, crack open some history books.

  • @ASexyChef

    Facing this Christian religion which spread by Roman influence and power, stood the religion of Persia supported by the moral power of India and the Far East. The civilization of Egypt, extending to Phoenicia and that of Mesopotamia had for many ages separated the East from the West and prevented any grave confrontation of their ideologies and civilizations.

  • @ASexyChef

    The entry of Egypt and Phoenicia into Christianity dissolved this barrier and brought the Christianity of the West and the Zoroastrianism of the East face to face. For centuries east and West confronted each other without intermingling between their religions. Each felt such fear of the other party's religion that a moral barrier came to replace the old barrier provided by the ancient Near Eastern civilizations.

  • @ASexyChef

    Each was thus compelled to direct its religious expansion to its own hinterland, away from the other's territory. Despite the numerous wars they fought, each exhausted its power without being able to confront the other on the religious or civilizational level.

    Although Persia conquered and ruled Syria and Egypt and the approaches of Byzantium, its kings never thought of spreading their religion or of converting the Christians.

  • @ASexyChef

    On the contrary, the conquerors respected the religions of the conquered and assisted them in reconstructing the temples which war had ravished. They granted them the liberty of upholding their religious rituals.

    The farthest the Persians had gone in infringing on their subjects' religion was to seize the "Holy Cross" and to keep it in Persia. When the tables were turned and the Byzantines won, they took the cross back.

  • @ASexyChef

    Thus the spiritual conquests of the West were restricted to the West, and those of the East were restricted to the East. The moral barrier separated them as decisively as the geographic civilizational one had done. Spiritually speaking, the two paths were equivalent and their equivalence prevented any clash between them.

  • @ASexyChef

    In Persia, Zoroastrianism was attacked by the same kind of decay. Although fire worship continued to give the various factions a semblance of unity, the religion and its followers divided into sects which contended with one another. Apparently unaffected by the religious controversy around the divine personifications and the meanings behind them, the political structure of the land remained strong.

  • @ASexyChef

    All sects sought the protection of the Persian emperor, and the latter readily gave it to them if only to increase his own power and to use them one against the other wherever a political gain for him was to be made or a political threat from any one section was to be avoided.

  • @ASexyChef

    The two powers, Christianity and Zoroastrianism, the West and the East, each allied with a number of smaller states which it held under its influence, surrounded the Arabian Peninsula at the beginning of the sixth century C.E. Each entertained its own ideas of colonialism and expansion. In each camp, the men of religion exerted great efforts to spread the faith anti doctrine in which they believed.

  • @ASexyChef

    This proselytizing notwithstanding, the Arabian Peninsula remained secure against conquest except at the fringes. Like a strong fortress it was secure against the spread of any religious call, whether Christian or Zoroastrian. Only very few of its tribes had answered the call, and they did so in insignificant numbers-a surprising phenomenon in history.

  • @ASexyChef

    To understand it we must grasp the situation and nature of Arabia and the influence that nature had exerted upon the lives, morals and thought of its people.

  • @ConstantineJoseph

    "Don’t you know that I am in the Father and that the Father is in me? The words that I say to you are not my own. Rather, it is the Father, living in me who is doing this work."[John 14:10]

    But further reading in the very same chapter:

    "On that day you will realize that I am in my Father, and you are in me, and I am in you."[John 14:20]

  • "Before Abraham was, I AM". - Jesus.

    Do you know the importance of this statement? It means Jesus is YWHW "Yud Hay Vav Hay" Himself. In Hebrew, he said I AM and that means he says he is el Elohim, God.

    There is no doubt that Jesus is God himself. Even Napoleon Bonaparte, after reading the bible, understand the deity of Jesus. His works on earth are eternal, everlasting, from generation to generation.

  • 3 a

    Jesus was a man who spoke the truth which he heard from God. This can be compared with the Gospel According to John where Jesus says to the Israelites: “You are determined to kill me, a man who has told you the truth that I heard from God” (John 8:40).

  • 93 b

    All praise is due to Allah, and blessings and peace be upon His final Messenger

    Peace Be Upon Those Who Follow True Guidance

    I get back to you for further clarification, if needed.

    From my heart to Y O U R !!

    Have a great Day!

    Wasalam 'Alaykuum Wa Rahmat Allah Wa Barakatu.

    SabelAllah

  • 92 b

    It seems to me that the Bible and the Quran are most definitely from the exact same source and they compliment each other very nicely. In fact, it appears that the Bible does not contradict the Quran, except in the very same places where the Bible contradicts itself.

  • 91 b

    Final comment

    I would like to state that after years of studying the Bible and then learning the Arabic language to read the Quran as it was originally recited to Muhammad, peace be upon him, by the angel Gabriel, I have come to an amazing conclusion.

  • 90 b

     would like to suggest to the non-Muslims to consider obtaining a Quran THE HOLY QURAN

    (Yusuf Ali Translation) through the following links:

    w.......

    (dot)hyahya(dot)org/

    Quran_translation/Quran_transl­ation_index(dot)php ] and then investigate for themsleves what the Quran is really all about and what it might mean to them in their lives.

  • 89 b

    Respect For Holy Books

    Muslims should respect the Bible because it does still contain some of the original teachings of Allah. But there is no need to go to Bible classes or purchase one to read to try to learn about what our purpose is here in this life. The Quran makes it clear that Allah has indeed, perfected our "way of life" for us and has conferred on us His favor and has chosen for us to submit to Him in Islam.

  • 88 b

    Bible And Quran - Originally Both From Allah

    Conclusion: Both the Bible and the Quran have come to us by way of Almighty God, then through His angel Gabriel and then to the prophets, peace be upon them. However, when the next step comes into play (that of the human beings faithfully transmitting it on to others and future generations) we find out that Allah has only perserved His Last and Final Revelation for all times. And He certainly did not need the humans to do that.

  • 87 b

    So there are not many Ikhtilafan in the Quran, there is only one - where the sentence is mentioned. So you see how things are put together perfectly. It has been suggested to mankind: Find a mistake. Man could not get hold of a mistake, and he is very clever, because this sentence could also mean: Find many Iktilafan and so he quickly goes to the index to see if he can find many of them and there is only one... Sorry clever person.

  • 86 b

    Unique Word Refers to Itself in Quran

    The author of this sentence said if this book came from someone besides God then you will find in it many Ikhtalafan (inconsistencies). The word Ikhtilaf is found many times in the Quran. But the word Ikhtalafan is only found once in the Quran.

  • 85 b

    For example, if I say Toronto is a big city - I used the word Toronto as I meant this place Toronto is a big city. But if I say to you Toronto has 7 letters, I am not talking about this place Toronto, I am talking about this word - Toronto. So, the revelation is above reasoning, but it is not above reason. That is to say we are more apt not to find in the Quran something that is unreasonable, but we may find something that we would have never figured out for ourselves.

  • 84 b

    Quran Provides Reason

    What I am talking about is built on a thing that is called in Logic: Use and Mention of a Word. When you use a word, you are using its meaning. When you mention a word, you are talking about the symbol without the meaning.

  • 83 b

    So that everywhere you happened to mention that such and such is like such and such that then you check your index, filing system, or your IBM punch cards or whatever, to make sure that in this whole book you mentioned them both the same number of times. But that's what you will find in the Quran.

  • 82 b

    Follow that through and you will find that in the Quran there are 8 places were an Ayah says something is like something else, using this (Mithel), you will find in every case and take both sides of it whatever that word is look it up in the index and it will be lets say 110 times and lookup the other word and it will be said to be equal to the same 110. That is quite a project of co-ordination if you try to write a book that way yourself.

  • 81 b

    And so that everything in there should really be there for a specific purpose. And I got to thinking about the Ayah which I mentioned before, it says, the likeness of Jesus is the likeness of Adam. It an equation, it uses the Arabic word (mithel), it says Jesus, Adam, equal. You go to the index of the Quran, you look up the name ISA it is in the Quran 25 times, you lookup the name Adam it is there 25 times. They are equal, through scattered references but 25 of each.

  • 80 b

    Quran Has Exact Accuracy

    Let me tell you about a personal investigation, it occurred to me that there are a number of things you can find in the Quran that give evidence to its origin -- internal evidence. If the Quran is dictated from a perfect individual; it originates with God, then there should not be any wasted space, it should be very meaningful. There should be nothing that we don't need that you can cut off, and it should not be missing anything.

  • 79 b

    Until the only explanation came to be, it is the left over energy from that original explosion which fits in exactly as would be predicted by the mathematical calculation of what would be this thing if the universe began from a single point and exploded outwards. So they confirmed that, but in 1978. Centuries before that here is the Quran saying the heavens and the earth in the beginning they were one piece and split and says in another Ayah : "of the heavens we are expanding it".

  • 78 b

    You will find in two different Ayahs the statement that all the creation began from a single point, and from this point it is expanding. In 1978 they gave the Noble prize to two people who proved that thats the case. It is the big bang origin of the universe.It was determined by the large radio receivers that they have for the telephone companies which were sensitive enough to pick up the transmissions from satellites and it kept finding background noise that they could not account for.

  • 77 b

    and so on, and if I give him the right answers pretty soon he will get convinced, "Oh yes, you did meet him". If you apply the same kind of thinking when you look at the Quran, here is a book that says it came from the one who was there when the universe began. So you should be asking that one: So tell me something that proves it. Tell me something that shows me you must have been there when the universe was beginning.

  • 76 b

    Quran Has Internal Evidences

    Now I can come back to the claim the Quran makes that it has internal evidence of its origin. There are many many ways that you can look at this. As one example, if I single out somebody here and say: You know, I know your father - he is going to doubt that, he has never seen me with his father. He would say, how does he look like, is he tall short does he wear glasses?

  • 75 b

    So the point is whoever wrote Matthew and Chapter 2 was trying to prove a point by quoting something out of context, and he undid himself, because if you follow through on it, it can not be so.

  • 74 b

    But never mind - suppose it is true, read on, the second verse says "and after that he kept on worshipping Bal", because this is what the Israelites were guilty of, very often they kept falling back into Idol worshipping. So if that "Israel" really meant Jesus and it means that Jesus is the son of God that came out of Egypt they must also mean that Jesus from time to time used to bow down to that idol Bal. You have to be consistent, and follow through on what it says.

  • 73 b I mentioned this point some months ago here in another talk, to which a young lady with us objected that Israel is a symbolic name for Jesus. You will have a hard time finding that anywhere in the Bible because it isn't there. You can take an index of the Bible and lookup the word "Israel" everywhere the word occurs and you will find no where in any place that you can connect the word Israel with Jesus.

  • 72 b

    Israel the nation was considered as the son of God. Moses was told to go to Pharaoh and say to him: If you touch that nation of people, you touch my son; warning him, warning Pharaoh: don't touch that nation, calling the nation "the son of God". So that this is the only thing talked about in Hosea 11:1. "Out of Egypt I called my son" can only refer to the nation of Israel.

  • 71 b

    So he said because Jesus went to Egypt and then came back out of Egypt and we have this passage in the Hebrew scriptures "out of Egypt I called my son" Jesus must have been the son of God. If you look and see what he was quoting, Hosea 11:1 he quotes the second half of a complete sentence, the complete sentence reads: "When Israel was young I loved him and out of Egypt I called my son".

  • 70 b

    When the writer of Matthew, whoever he was, because the name Matthew won't be found in the book of Matthew; when he described this event saying that he came back out of Egypt, he said: " This was to fulfil a prophecy which is written" and then he quotes Hosea Chapter 11 "Out of Egypt I called my Son".

  • 69 b

    Maybe they -- some of those writers - believed a certain thing and in order to prove it quoted from their scriptures -- the Old Testament, the Hebrew writings - quoted out of context to prove their point. There are examples of that kind of thing. In Matthew 2 it said that a king wanted to kill the young child Jesus so he with his family went to Egypt, and they stayed there until that king died, and then they came back.

  • 68 b

    Writers of Bible - Out of Context

    When I talk about the Bible and quote various verses here and there I am often accused of putting things out of context, to say you have lifted something out of what it was talking about and given it a meaning. I don't want to respond to the accusation as such, but it doesn't seem to occur to many people that perhaps those who wrote portions of the Bible in the first place were guilty of the same thing.

  • 66 b

    I believed that Jesus was the son of God because the Jews who killed him said that's what he used to say ! His enemies used to say that, so he must have said it, this is what it amounts to. In other hand we have the words of Jesus saying he would keep the law, the law of Moses and we have the statement in the Bible, why did the Jews kill him ?

  • 65 b

    They will say for example he said such and such and the Jews said he is blaspheming, he claimed to be God and they tried to stone him. So they argue that he must have been claiming to be God because look ! - the Jews tried to kill him. They said that's what he was claiming. But the interesting thing is that all the evidence is then built on the fact that a person is saying: ....

  • 64 b

    Bible Does Not Claim Jesus Claimed to Be Son of God

    It is a fact that the words "son of God" are not found on the lips of Jesus anywhere in the first three Gospel accounts, he was always calling himself the Son of Man. And it is a curious form of reasoning that I have seen so often that it is established from Bible that he claimed to be God because - look how the Jews reacted.

  • 63 b

    Obviously you have made matters difficult by deciding what the first one meant. If you read on in Chapter 14 you will see what he went on to say. He was saying the closest you are going to seeing God are the works you see me doing.

  • 62 b

    If that is crystal clear then you have a difficult portion when you go back just a few pages to Chapter 5 when another man came to Jesus and said show us God and he said you have never seen God you have never heard his voice. Now what did he mean there if on the other occasion he meant that he was God?

  • 61 b

    The problem is that this is an exercise in self deception - why are some parts clear and some parts difficult? It is because somebody decided what this clearly means, now that makes this very difficult. To give you an example, John Chapter 14 a certain man said to Jesus: Show us God, and Jesus said: If you have seen me you have seen God. Now without reading on the Christian will say: See Jesus claimed to be God, he said if you have seen me you have seen God.

  • 60 b

    Clear Parts & Difficult Parts of Bible

    I wrote to a man one time, who wrote a book about Christianity and I had some of the objections I mentioned to you now. And his reply to me was that I am making matters difficult to myself, that there are portions in the Bible that are crystal clear and that there are portions that are difficult, and that my problem was that I am looking at the difficult part instead of the clear parts.

  • 59 b

    But the Bible also says the a certain Einah did not die he was taken up into the heaven by God. Whether it is true or not, who knows, but the point is if Jesus being taken up proves he is God, why does not it prove Einah was God? The same thing happened to him.

  • 58 b

    This is Special Pleading, if you see what I mean. The implications are not consistent. If this implies that then in that case it must also imply the same thing. We have those who would say Jesus was God because he was taken up in the heaven.

  • 57 b

    In other hand we know very well that there is no miracle ever worked by Jesus that is not also recorded in the Old Testament as worked by one of the prophets. You had amongst others, Elijah, who is reported to have cured the leper, raise the dead boy to life and to have multiplied bread for the people to eat - three of the most favorite miracles cited by Jesus. If the miracles worked by Jesus proved he was God, why don't they prove Elijah was God ?

  • 57 b

    Special Pleading of the Bible

    The citation of the Bible very often takes the form of what is called in Argumentation: Special Pleading. Special Pleading is when implications are not consistent. When you take something and you say: Well that must mean this, but you don't use the same argument to apply it to something else. To give an example, I have seen it in publications many times, stating that Jesus must have been God because he worked miracles.

  • 56 b

    Quran Invites - Not Demands

    So that the Quran does not demand belief - the Quran invites belief, and here is the fundamental difference. It is not simply delivered as: Here is what you are to believe, but throughout the Quran the statements are always: Have you O man thought of such and such, have you considered so and so. It is always an invitation for you to look at the evidence; now what do you believe ?

  • 55 b

    It was God that gave him life, so he must have been God's son. The Quran reminds the Christian in one short sentence to remember Adam - who was his father ? - and in fact, who was his mother ? He did not have a father either and in fact he did not have a mother, but what does that make him? So that the likeness of Adam is the likeness of Jesus, they were nothing and then they became something; that they worship God.

  • 54 b

    So that for every suggestion that the Christian may say: My Bible say such and such, the Quran will not simply say: No that is not true, it will say: Do they say such and such then ask them such and such. You have for example the Ayah that compares Jesus and Adam. There are those who may say that Jesus must have been God (Son of God) because he had no father. He had a woman who was his mother, but there was no human father.

  • 53 b

    The Christians may point to some words that it is recorded Jesus said and say this proves my point. But the Muslim does not simply open his book and say: No, no the Quran says this, because the Quran does not simply deny something the Bible says and say something else instead. The Quran takes the form of a rebuttal, it is a guidance as the opening says (Huda lil mutakeen).

  • 52 b

    Difference of Authority

    So the difference in Christianity and Islam comes down to a difference of authority and appeal to authority. The Christian wants to appeal to the Bible and the Muslim wants to appeal to the Quran. You can not stop by saying: This is true because me book say it is, and somebody else would say something else is true because my book says differently, you can not stop at that point, and the Quran does not.

  • 51 b

    There has never - in hundreds of years - ever been some suggestion as to where that book came from but that the Quran does not already mention that objection and reply to it. Many times you will find the Ayah saying something like: Do they say such and such and so, say to them such and such and so. In every case there is a reply. More than that the Quran claims that the evidence of its origin is in itself, and that if you look at this book you will be convinced.

  • 50 b

    Some of you are students, would you dare to hand in a paper after you completed a research work or something at the bottom you put down there "You wont find mistakes in this". Would you dare to challenge your professor that way?. Well the Quran does that. It is telling: If you really think you know where this came from then starts looking for mistakes because you wont find any. Another interesting thing the Quran does is that it quotes all its critics.

  • 49 b

    It begins that way and continues that way stressing that. And there is one very amazing statement in the Quran when you come to the fourth Sura 82nd Ayah which says to those who say Quran is something else than the word of God. It challenges them saying: "Have they not considered the Quran, if it came from someone other than God they will find in it many mistakes".

  • 48 b

    Who is the Author?

    Now I come back to the Quran, and as I mentioned the speaker in the Quran is - in the first person - is God. The book claims throughout that it is the word of God. It names itself 70 times as the Quran. It talks about its own contents. It has self-reference. The Quran states in the first Sura after Fatiha that "This is the book, there is no doubt in it, it is a guidance for those who are conscious of God" and so on and so on...

  • Warning - Dear Fellow Humans

    The only reason for your existence on this earth is to worship, recognize & give thanks to The Creator of the Universe and Earth.

    His name is ALLAH THE MOST HIGH and HE is ONE and has no partners.

    You are classed as a DISBELIEVER if you fail to acknowledge this and a severe punishment awaits you in the next life.

    Paradise has been created for those who agrees and duration in it is forever.

    Our main enemy is Satan & his job is to lead us to the Hell fire!

  • 41 b

    Either that promise was false that when God said my word wont fade away, he was mistaken, or the portion which has the mistake in it was not a part of the word of God in the first place, because the promise was that it would be safeguarded, it would not be corrupted.

  • 14 b

    Memorized by Millions - Entirely

    The important thing to keep in mind about the Quran is the memorization and transmission of the actual "Recitation" just as it came to Muhammad, peace be upon him, from the Angel Gabriel and was learned and memorized by his companions and they in turn, passed it down to their followers and continued in this way until we see today, over 10,000,000 (ten million) Muslims who have committed the entire Quran to memory.

  • 10 b

    Much of what has been translated from these scrolls is similar to some of the oldest manuscripts, but there are still very important differences worthy of note. We would like to recommend some important reading on this topic at the end of this paper.

  • Do not let Muslims who say that the Bible is corrupted for their own Quran confirms that thr Christian and Jewish Scriptures are pure.

    Surah 5:48 says to Judge what is in the Chritian Bible and to judge Muhammads words if they are true by what is in Our Scriptures.

    If the Bible is corrupted then Islam is false and if the Bible is not corupted Islam is false. Either way Islam is false.

    There are other passages in the Quran that confirm the Bible is trustworthy.

  • @osamyoosama No Muslim has accepted Jesus Christ unless they have turned to Christianity. The Isa in your book is no Biblical figure, he doesn't have any teachings at all in your book. He is a two dimentional figure, who does not speak his own words so how can you accept him?

    Why did your prophet not call him by his proper name if he was a real propeht?

  • @Surfxeo

    يا ايها الناس قد جاءكم الرسول بالحق من ربكم فامنوا خيرا لكم وان تكفروا فان لله ما في السماوات والارض وكان الله عليما حكيما

    O mankind! The messenger hath come unto you with the Truth from your Lord. Therefor believe; (it is) better for you. But if ye disbelieve, still, lo! unto Allah belongeth whatsoever is in the heavens and the earth. Allah is ever Knower, Wise.

  • @osamyoosama Your Quran confirms that the Bible is uncorrupted in Muhammads day and we know what was in the Bible in Muhammads day and we have 500 years of manuscript evidence that what we have today is the same as it was in the 1st century A.D. & we have the Dead Sea Scrolls confirming what Moses and the OT prophets wrote!

    So by saying the Bible is corrupt you are contradicting your own prophet!!!

    Proof text Surah 5:48!!!

  • @osamyoosama

    Galatians 1:8-9

    But even if we, or an angel from heaven, should preach to you a gospel contrary to what we have preached to you, he is to be accursed!

    As we have said before, so I say again now, if any man is preaching to you a gospel contrary to what you received, he is to be accursed!

    1 Cor 11:14

    For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light

  • @osamyoosama Angels are also called messengers so why not call them great as well?

    As John 8:23-25 says if you do not accept that Jesus is God who was in the beginning you will die in your sins.

    Isaiah 7:14

    Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a signl Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.

    There is a name of Jesus from the Old Testament from one of the most Messianic texts of the Old Testament.

    Your play on words will not work!!!

  • c

    Historically, morally and prophetically, Muhummed (pbuh) the last and Final Messenger of God, "The Spirit of Truth," is the only one to guide mankind into all truth. He is pre-eminently the Natural Successor to Christ.

    Your further inquiries, comments and criticisms are welcome. Don’t just sit there, for the sake of God, act now!

  • @osamyoosama : uhmm...no, thanks.

  • @Alineniz Hey Alineniz!! Why dont u watch all Ahmad Deedat & Shabir Ally interfaith debates in youtubes? This will save me a lot of time explaining all over again what been explained by these 2 great Muslim Scholars ok!! They are great Bible Scholars themselves & they can educate u on all the Bible verses that u have misunderstood & misinterprated ok! Lock yourself up in your room and watch all of them! Another video are those from