@saintanarchy3 I think we're in agreement here... Honestly I agree with everything you're saying. I just don't understand hatred of the other races. We can preserve our ways without hating people. I wasn't included in PE because I was horrible at basketball, not because the other kids hated me.
@masterthehate2 I don't believe Jew's have our Folks interest at heart but I don't hate them. Never been robbed by a Jew! Now, niggers! That's a horse a different color, lol! Death to shitskins! They are our NUMBER 1 enemy and don't fool yourself into thinking otherwise! WPWW 14/88
@methistopholes We could just send them back to africa too you know... If they tried to float (As shit often does) back over. Then consider it an invasion and kill them then.
As far as niggers and other truly inferior races go, in my opinion.. Out of sight, out of my country, and out of mind. IF they were back living in grass huts like their monkey brothers then that's as good as dead for me.
@methistopholes If you live in the US then sure you have! Who do you think is behind taxing your income? Who controls the Federal Reserve? Who has stolen our country, and manipulated it into fighting unjust wars?
@saintanarchy3 and no offense, brother. But I have never once read in any saga that people who were non-white couldn't partake in the rites of our gods.
@saintanarchy3 And would they? Would a jew just wander down the path all "la dee dah" and decide to participate in a blot?
I agree with you in personal opinon. I wouldn't want non-whites partaking in my religion BUT do you think Odin cares more about skin color or strength of arm when Ragnarok comes?
@saintanarchy3 You know the old tribes were "communistic societies" where each member of the tribe gained and survived because of the others.
Marxism? Do you have any understanding of what Marxism is?
any retard who can't even say "they're taking over our governments" without fucking it up is no one to be speaking on such things, racist and stupid or otherwise.
Odin is the All-Father. If I see you speaking such things I'll send you to Hel myself. Faggot
jews are no victims, they and the muslims and christians always look for power, thats why they are fighting to take over europe, look at muslims now in britain, they really care about converting the world. its just sick. we must fight back and take these abrahamics out of europe!
To all those folk unfamiliar with the work of woden-'Vicky the Viking'-wisdom, here's how he rolls......
He gives us HIS interpretation of how he thinks Marxists regard racism, so you ask HIM how he defines it. And HE remains silent, but is ready to jump in and again misrepresent and stereotype all leftist opinion. He's just a silly little Viking-Boy extremist, who uses terms like leftist and Marxist as a pejorative and isn't really ready for grown-up debate.
@SuperMoominpapa If I think that 'racism' is a dubious concept of Marxist origin then why would I have a definition if asked (which you haven't)? Your logic, as always, is faulty.
I do not need to misrepresent leftist opinion. It falls on its own. Any confusion about my representation of leftist opinion stems from the fact that leftist opinion is full of contradictions and faulty logic.
Grown-up debate? Would that be a debate where I agree with you on everything?
@wodenswisdom OK, I'll play along, 'racism' is a Marxist term and one that you don't recognise. So what word in your lexicon, do you use to describe the nature of the tension between Rwandan Hutu and Tutsi, or Idi Amin's treatment of the Indians, or the stance of the NEW Black Panther Party.
I never mentioned the BNP, it was you that made the connection and tried to defend a racially defined membership.
@SuperMoominpapa Tension between the Hutu and Tutsi's? Ethnic tension. Idi Amin's treatment of the indians could be considered ethnic cleansing (like in Zimbabwe against whites) and the BPP are anti-white black militants.
You did not explicitly say the BNP but that was clearly what you were getting at since you have gone on about the BNP entry requirements in the past.
@wodenswisdom The reason the colonial Belgians favoured the Tutsi was because of their supposed RACIAL similarity to Europeans. You compared Uganda to present day Zimbabwe, but Mugabe uses RACE not ethnicity as motivation for his own 'land grabs'. I mentioned the New BPP, not the BPP. And yes they are anti-white RACE militants. So there you go, there's at least three situations where people have used RACE to further their goals........and you still refuse to accept the word and it's definition.
@SuperMoominpapa How were the Tutsi racially similar to Europeans? They look nothing like Europeans.
What do you consider to be the difference between race and ethnicity?
Using the term 'race' is different from the term 'racism'. The term 'race' is the existence of genetically variant peoples. 'Racism' is the Marxism interpretation of the relationship between Europeans and other genetically distinct peoples.
@wodenswisdom Tutsi similar to Europeans? Well the Belgians thought so, based on an erroneous assumption about their 'heritage' and their physical features.
Yes, you're quite correct, RACE and RACISM are two completely different words ( you're really getting the most out of that 'word-a-day calender')
Tell me is AGE a word, but AGEISM a Marxist plot, is CHAUVIN a name, but CHAUVINISM a Marxist plot, is SEX a word, but SEXISM a Marxist plot
@SuperMoominpapa The Belgians were clearly wrong about the Tutsi. I have seen pictures of Tutsi's and they are nothing like Europeans. Maybe the Belgiums thought they looked European compared to the Hutu's, but not similar to Europeans.
No, I have not discovered Marxist origins for the concepts of 'ageism', 'chauvinism' and 'sexism. These concepts tend to be minor preoccupations for Marxists while they fight 'imperialism' and 'fascism'.
@SuperMoominpapa While the Belgians were wrong, ethnicity is a relevant. North-Europeans are genetically and phenotypically distinct from other peoples. It is basically about loyalty to those of more recent common ancestry. Without genetic testing in our daily lives we go by physical aspects which are expressions of genetics.
'Racism' is basically a reactionist 'argument' against unfashionable/right-wing views on ethnicity and culture.
@wodenswisdom Ethnicity is a lot more complex than the imposed classification of race, as it covers location, culture, language and religion. Any race can have many distinct ethnicities within it. So using the the two words interchangeably isn't helpful and will always force people to question the motivation, when someone like David Lane or Nick Griffin uses the word. If you want avoid accusations of racism then try to avoid 'code-words' and euphemisms. Does 88 always mean 'Precepts' of just HH.
@SuperMoominpapa I am aware that within races their are subgroups and different degrees of relatedness. It is you who has imposed this simplistic classification on our debates. So what if Lane and Griffin use the words 'race' and 'ethnicity'? So do the rest of society. I do not care about avoiding accusations of 'racism' because I do not recognise the term. What 'code-words' and euphemisms are you referring to, and where did 88 come from? I do not remember using it.
@wodenswisdom I personally don't believe in the concept of races, so the idea that I simplisticaly classify is ridiculous. I've no problem with people using words like ethnicity or heritage, as long as it's not used to mask ideas about supremacy or intolerance. I never said you mentioned 88, just that you must be aware of the way that some people use 14/88 as a reference to Heil Hitler.
Keep on saying stupid shit like " Marxists invented Racism" and the only accusations will question your sanity
@SuperMoominpapa What gives you the impression that me or any nationalist use the terms ethnicity and heritage to 'mask ideas about supremacy or intolerance'? Do you not think that nationalism could be about self-preservation? When nationalists do not comply with your idea of nationalism why do you assume that there must be something malevolent behind it all?
Why mention 88 or 14/88? The concept of 'racism' is a Marxist term whether you believe it or not.
@SuperMoominpapa Just wondered, why are you on an Odinist video? I doubt you are into Odinism since it is an indigenous North European belief system, and judging from your previous comments on other videos, you consider the preservation of anything indigenous to this part of the world 'racist'. Are you on her looking to argue with 'racist' Odinists?
Wow... you are a sick person! Odinism? Where the fuck did you get that name? I am ashamed... Asatru is not about racism! and neither about hateing the Christians! Just look at Harald Klak. Asatru is about following the line which nature gives us, and not about the lines who Hitler wantes us to follow..!
@Sonnybamsen What do you believe the word 'racism' means? Are you one of those leftists who believe that 'racism' is where a white person defends their heritage? The word 'racism' is of Marxist extraction and anyone who uses it should be a figure of ridicule.
@wodenswisdom ......"The word 'racism' is of Marxist extraction and anyone who uses it should be a figure of ridicule".......
That's an interesting statement to hear from someone, who spends a lot of time commenting on a video called 'BNP supporter victim of a RACIST attack'. I've never once heard you trot out that line on that page.
You also support and campaign for a political party that uses the racist killings of Kriss Donald and Ross Parker as political ammunition.
@SuperMoominpapa I may comment on the video but I did not name it.
The use of the word racism in connection to the murder of white individuals by non-Europeans when race is the motive is to illustrate the hypocrisy of leftists who consider every attack on non-whites as 'racist', but not vice versa. Either drop all this about 'racism' or illustrate that it can be directed against whites too.
@wodenswisdom - The fact that the scum who butchered Kriss were all convicted of racially-motivated violence goes against your fallacious arguement about how 'racism' is perceived. Racism can still be described as 'prejudice plus power', whether this power is institutional, positional or demographical. This includes armed gangs looking for an innocent young man or a political party being selective about who can or cannot join them.
@SuperMoominpapa Whether someone is convicted of racially-motivated attacks does not have an influence on how 'racism' is perceived, and the two concepts are different. 'Racially-motivated' is tangible because someones race can be a motive for attacking someone, while 'racism' is intangible.
Why should parties not be selective about who joins them? The BNP, for example, wants to save this countries heritage from Marxist scum, so why would it let people in who do not share its views?
I don't recall reading many of these points in the Havamal, nor any other text. Further, I will not discount a good man because his blood isn't "pure". If a man is honorable, brave, and kind, he is as a brother to me regardless of his genetic makeup. Don't bastardize my fore-father's beliefs with your own agenda against non-whites, discounting good men because of impure blood. This isn't Odin's teachings, nor does calling non-believers "enemies of Odin" behold those teachings.
@scott33195 bro. not even a little. your god turns his/her/its followers into sheep, servants, and spineless husks of there former selves. christianity preeches complete reliance on god and absolutely will not allow you to defend yourself
@Streyar yes and no not exactly. in the myth of jesus, he tought of turning the other cheak, yes, but im sure he didnt mean to jump off a bridge if someone tells you to. he also tought of love. the reason the bible says humans are sheep is because as humans we are sheep in my opinion. we follow whatever catches our eyes: media economy politics. not to mention i think that Odin is God because they both reside in the heaven and their son fights a reptile thing. parallels cant be ignored my friend.
@scott33195 it would only be parallel if the ideas were created around the same time. however this isnt the case. sorry to berate your faith but in my opinion christianity just took alot of stuff from a bunch of other religions and changed some stuff around a little. and the Gods of the norsemen arent hear to save us from "first sin" they are hear to guide us toward a much more righteous and honorable path. and if you want to be a sheep fine but some of us refuse this role so many have excepted.
@Streyar the parallels changed over time. thats what makes them "parallels," and not "the same." Christianity is influenced greatly from many other religions. the traditions and a few beliefs are. although the core belief in one God, his son, and his highest messenger was a combination of originality and from judaism.
@scott33195 regardless christianity copies all the other religions and jumps for fuckin joy and rubs it in EVERYONES faces when some of their stuff happens to be right.
@scott33195 No, Christianity is a desert religion as well as Islam and Judaism. All 3 should have stayed in the desert to destroy each other there in the desert instead of spreading worldwide and turning this earth into complete trash.
@DevilishBlueEyes the world is complete trash because humans are trashing it. do you think that it would be any different if buddhism or odinism were the dominant religions? not to mention there were also many forms of odinism in different countries of the north left to "destroy eachother."
@scott33195 I really do reckon the world would be different if christianity, jewdaism and islam had stayed "in the desert" because they are all monotheistic religions ased on the same original book.
odinism and many of the other religions present before the spread of christianity into europe were polytheistic and much more accepting of each other, and while sure nations went to war against each other they didn't do it in the name of any god/goddess as a "holy war"
@wintersnowolves oh well, im not too educated about the Northern religions. although i know that Native Americans, Persians, and Babylonians conquered in the name of a god of war, the sky, or the creator.
@scott33195 oh they'd go to war in the name of whichever god but they didnt do it with... religious backing... if you get me. they never went due to the "my god/gods are better than your god/gods" argument.
I'm interested in learning more about Odin-ism. An acquaintance of mine is an Odinist but we lost touch just when I was willing to learn more. I like the principals behind it, aside from the fact of mongrelism. That bit bothers me, I hear a lot of christians preaching that in churches and it greatly upsets my morals considering the fact I suppose I was raised "color blind." But if anyone has the time feel free to sent me a message so we may speak more in depth.
@izsmrpickle long time since you posted about this so hope you remember it...
there are 3 main types of odinists i have come across, universalists, tribalists, and (essentially) the skin-heads who give it a bad name. universalists say any colour person of any decent can be an odinist, tribalists (if remembrin right) won't stop a person becoming an odinist if they want, and the skin-heads are totalitarian in preventing different coloured people joining. by the above definition im a tribalist
@wintersnowolves Ya, its funny you said that cause the other day I ran into an odinist and he noticed my mjolnir I received as a gift from one of my friends and we had started talking then he did a completely 180 in attitude when my girlfriend (who is of Japanese descent) came to the car. Started talking about how I shouldn't be allowed my gift, ect. But your explanation brings a lot of things to light.
@izsmrpickle no problem, feel free to message if you want some more info (note, i dont know all of it meself but hey, it aint the easiest religion to find out about without having to sift through some complete garbage)
@those Odinists who go on about 'racists' in Odinism. The Marxist manipulated governments use the term racist to demonise any North European people who are concerned about the survival of our people and heritage. By excluding anyone who the left-wing intelligentsia denounce as racist you are excluding the very people who the survival of our native belief system relies on and you undermine the future of our belief system. Do not play into Marxist hands. You are being manipulated.
Typical response from a white traitor who will watch his own people get manipulated by jews and destroyed by invaders. I think I'll stay and fight. This is my home and I won't be leaving any time soon.
@FidesExerc How many jews have personally done anything to YOU or ME. What are you, Muslim? Let the Muslims and jews fight over Israel. The desert's are not our home. We belong to the north winds and the cold seas.
@wodenswisdom yeah, I thought odinists were supposed to live harmoniously when in contact with other cultures and not try to impose different values on them.
@AAtaak You misunderstand Odinism. You can only live harmoniously with those who are prepared to live harmoniously with you and it seems that it is not usually the case with immigrants to Northern Europe. Odinism is not a hippy religion. An Odinists duty is to protect their beliefs and traditions. An Odinist would not impose their beliefs onto other cultures because Odinism is not a universal belief system. It is for those of North European descent. Each to their own.
My last name is Thurman or in scandalnavian Thor's man. This belief system is that of my familys family, and it disgusts me how it has been manipulated into a racist way of being. Any one that knows anything about my people would know that we assimilated with the people that we conquored. That means we altered our blood lines. It is not writen any where that I have ever seen that we wanted nor cared about a pure blood line. That is Nazism, not Odinism.
Look up the term Volk or Volkish then get back to me. The Norse of old certainly were not suicidal, and in the process of invasion, they didn't stand by and watch it happen without fighting their invaders.
I am a member of the only Åsatru community in norway being suported by the state, people with racist or nazi ideals are denied membership, Åsatru is a religion who do not care for race, sexuality or anny other difference of that sort, people who belive in that are not welcome among us and we do not suport their worship of the old gods. But tell me this, what is te difference betwen Åsatru and Odinism? I myself have only heard racists speak of Odinism, others keep to Åsatru, or am I wrong?
I didn't think that there was a diference. I supose there is a posibiltiy though. Disgusting bigots manipulated the Quran to form the Nation of Islam which a racist organization. Weak minded individuals could have, in their cowardice could have altered Asatru to form a racist sect of the religion.
I just wanted to add support to the Nation of Islam remark, and if anyone wants to say differently to what you stated, then they needn't look any further then the biography of Malcolm X.
Look, you don't have to be racist to want and preserve your blood line. Worshiping the gods of our eropean ancestors is folk oriented (BLOOD). If you lived in America you would have the same desire. There are so many non whites here that hate whites and want to try and breed us out it's disgusting. So you then become even more driven to connect with white culture, blood and the past. Caring about your race is a necessity for the survival of our people
The Odinist Fellowship here in the UK is not a racist organisation by any means. Some of the people within it may be but the Fellowship itself is not.
@HaakonTheViking very long time since you posed this question but think I can in part answer it...
I'm from the UK, born a christian, used to believe it. 3/4 years ago I lost faith and looked to find a religion that appealed to my core beliefs to start with and I come across "Odinism." If asked what religion I follow I will say Odinism before Asatru because its the name I came across first... unfortunately it was a racist dominated forum that I found it on so maybe its a poor example
If there is no predestination, then why was fatalism such a strong component in the Old Ways? If man doesn't need a savior, then explain everything that the gods, specifically Odin did for the Scandinavian race? If you don't think that you can take your possessions with you, then why did the original worshipers of the Asa burn their beloved dead with their possessions thinking that all matter had a spiritual equivalent? Can someone explain?
they probably didnt burn eveyrthing they owned or burried it, but gave it to their sons and daughters or to the tibe. Some things went with them supposedly, but what use would tools be in the afterlife? Maybe they felt they wanted these items burried with them so that others could not have them. The thing is, no one knows what is instore for us in any after life but me personally. The gods/goddess gave us life, so we thank them, we dont believe we need any 'salvation', that is christianity.
I'm not trying to be sarcastic or contrary, but the fact is we know that the Vik believed that all physical matter had its spiritual or incorporeal equivalent, a pan-animism. Therefore, if you destroy the physical matter the spiritual essence is free of its bond. I can provide a link to that if you would like.
And you are simply doing what modern New Age reconstructionsists do concerning salvation. Which is why Odinism and Asatru as they are practiced today fall neatly into that category.
Ancesteral religion, a good part of the religion is worshipping of the ancestors. Odin being the greatest as legend says. However there are many views on this. Odinism isnt the correct term to use to begin with to explain this religion. Odinism gives the sense that the entire religion is centered around Odin. Odin being the head god, but not the only one worshipped. Asatru is the correct term, but there are many terms for it.
Just because Asatru and Odinism have a commonality with Christianity doesn't mean that you can just remove the commonality because it turns you off. That's just wrong, no two ways about it. Salvation is not a Christian idea, it is a human idea. And Odin's graciousness is what rewards courage with entrance into Valhalla(salvation). The World Tree is an outstanding narrative, outlining the archetypal "savior" where Odin becomes the suffering savior.
Well there is a good and a bad, all religions have that. However we all look at things different. I cant speak much for slavic heathenism, or baltic heathenism, but its along the same lines as Asatru or Celtic/Roman. Essentially all these religions were the same, and broke up over time mostly due to language barriers.
You have a very bad understanding of Odinism. The gods aren't there to save you, they are there to guide you, so you live an honorable life. You are taught to be self reliant not a slave to god, very different to Christianity. Which is the reason why Christianity was so incompatible with europe and why they fought against it for so long.
@abdulbade um look at history like how the church burned "witches" for worshipping "pagan" gods i'm sure there was alot of fighting about that i know if someone came to my home and said "you have to believe what i believe or you're going to die" i'd fight them
@UnyieldingDefiance Well said.. this video is by far not the core of Odinism.. it's the Core of Wotanism.which is pretty much just racism wrapped in a religious package no different than the KKK. Odin is a half breed as is his son Thor. So how can you be purer than your god? Hail Odin and may the truth be shown to these ignorant liars.
@TheWellofMimir Hey I never said Odinism was for people of different ethnicities, there are no different ethnicities in the myths. All the gods and the Giants are described as our ancestors would have seen eachother and the world around them.
I'm a folkish Odinist, you have to be white Germanic to be an Odinist.
Now, if you want to admit that Odinism is a modern construct, and that it is a conglomeration of varied ancient religious qualities from the Scandinavian/ Germanic people group.... well that is a whole other matter. In that case you would be right. But if you are claiming that Odinism is a faithful tradition keeping the integrity of the old.... that isn't even remotely accurate or objective.
There is actually very little evidence to assure that every individual was buried with their belongings, and that they were a major component in the afterlife. It was typically those whom had wealth and worthy belongings who were buried with them.
I'm really not trying to piss anyone off but there seems to be a common them here. Many Odinists and Asatru Folk claim to be faithfully observing the Old Ways and yet I always seem to hear them saying stuff like:"There is no predestination!" or "We need no salvation." or "You can't carry on into the next life tangible possessions." But that is the antithesis of what was believed in ancient times. It's intellectually dishonest.
People take things to literal, they did back then because they did not know what the afterlife was. People, this includes every religion really believe that they can take their xbox360 with them into the aftrlife and play it with god or odin or lugus and smoke afew blunts with them. That is absurd! I dont believe in that, I am a heathen [personally follow the cetlic/germanic path] but do it in a morem odern sense.
But what created the process for us to even have children? Thats what religion is for. Athiest take things to literal, as soon as they read a bible or the havamal, they say that crap is bullshit, the earth wasnt created 500 years ago but five million. My friend science only explains so much, religion is used to explain the other half, the fact is, humans play the guessing game, thats all we have done for our entire exsistence.
@kwazi6 um excuse me but what about those of us who do'nt have children nor wish to have them are you saying that all we are is things to pump out future versions of us who in turn have no point but to pump out more? that's a sad way to look at life you're basically calling all of us breeders and that's all we should do well excuse me but i hate children and want none thanks
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these are just as fake as the greek or roman old beliefs...But if it was real..I'm sure the norse god Odin,greek god zues,and roman god jupiter are having a brawl as we speak..
Irminenschaft of the SS is different than Astaru and Wotanism. To become Wotan in the flesh through mastery of the Light of the Runes, is to become Irmin. Those who become Irmin are the pillar, they bear the fire of Vril and the light of the inner sun. All other dimensions of the Edda on the bridge of light emanate to a lesser degree in this world, therefore we need only concern ourselves with this world, to become Gods, that is the meaning of life, and the gate to Valhalla.
In the US we have invaders from south of the border. would you question that? In Europe, they have invaders as well. In Russia they also have invaders. Are you really trying to be serious? Im not even talking about the politics behind nations yet, but we can certainly get into how whole political systems get changed as a result of manipulation and deceit. They too would be invaders.
If you want serious discussion on this, I can do that, but try to use some common sense first.
@FidesExerc My recent family is from south of the border, but my fathers are dna R1b u106 l48 =Frisian/Saxon and my mothers fathers are haplo I1 = Ultra Norse...care not to keep your brother down because of the color of his skin. Dub Gall exist, take it literally.
your retarded. Asatru is an old norse word meanin faith in the Gods. Odinism is what some choose to call that faith today. do some research before you post retarded comments like that again.
Now all you have to do is tell us which came first.
Christianity is a 'Copy' religion. Many things are consistant between Odinism and Christianity, but the Xtians distort and make a mockery of our volkish lines. They do this while adhering to the will of their jew masters.
REAL Odinists hate lies and deceipt.
REAL Odinists would defend their kin from destruction.
Ásatrú/Odinism beginnings go far back into pre-history with evidence dating to 42,000 years ago. Horus and Ra , about 3100 BC. so, who stold from who?!?!?
just because they are similar dosent mean some one stole from some one eles, un less your a catholic priest in the roman empire, orginoll mythology theives.
Yes, The Gods as living tangible beings are finite. But their characteristics, traits, ideologies, virtues, etc. are infinite if we continue to pass them down.
How does having a certain color of skin make one more or less likely to survive in today's society? If it doesn't, then it's not beneficial, and therefore not evolution.
Mutations aren't "good" or "bad" just because they are, but because of the way in which they affect a specific species' chances of survival in a specific environment. In Northern Europe, sure, being white may have made you blend in better with the snow, but in someplace hot, having darker skin decreases the chance of sunburn.
In addition, how is it impossible that the alfs and the trolls were yet another type of "spirit," similar to a landwight? Why do they have to be members of some species? The only reason I can come up with is that you start with a bias, and then try to prove yourself right, ignoring (or stretching for an interpretation that suits you for) any evidence or text that doesn't support your pre-existing opinion. Rather than say I'm wrong and insult my assertions, why don't you show me HOW I'm wrong?
"Can science explain his sudden appearance on the planet? No."
On the Origin of Species - Charles Darwin
Start there.
Religion and science don't have to go against one another, except when religion fails to accept that scientific observations are clearly fact, and therefore dogma shouldn't be more important than KNOWLEDGE.
Wait... so... let me guess... you (theoneandonlyrv2... not everyone who honors the Gods) view the Eddas as literal, and basically your own version of the Bible?
Also... You think Thor runs around with a hammer beating the crap out of people over their race?
I'm glad I don't subscribe to your bullshit, sir. What about when humans are mentioned separately from the trolls and alves?
Being any color besides a light/medium brown (think middle-eastern) is a genetic mutation. Science HAS proven that.
ill tackle that.... look we as Odinists dont necessarily view the Lore as factual history. We dont view Thor as an actual red bearded man running around all muscled up with a hammer killing giants any more than a christian believes his god is an old man with white robes golden sashes and a crown sitting on a throne (which by the way is the way the greeks viewed zeus). We know that there is a real Thor but our brains cannot fully grasp what he is so we use the symbology passed down to us.
Those who would seek to destroy it, like say.. stupid motherfuckers like you who fail to understand that just because you're not a hateful motherfucker doesn't make you a hippy.
You must be fucking retarded.
Honor your ancestors, the Gods and Odin the allfather, ALL fucking father, if you're too stupid to understand what "all"father represents than go worship some bleeding ChristGod.
I'm sorry to say, but if you intend to pass off hatred under the banner of Odinism and Asatru than I can only utter a nid to you. The idea you expressed reminded me of skinheads who pervert and twist Odinism into some pseudo-neonazi tool to spread hatred against those who're non-Aryan. If this is your view than indeed a Nid by Odin and Rigr and all of the aesir.
If I'm wrong, and I hope I am, I take back anything I said but it seems like I'm not wrong, at least about the message you send.
In fact to even refer to inter-marriage as "mongalization" makes me think you're some extremist who is the true enemy of the all-father. There is no honor in segregating your fellow man, who are also held equal by the gods. No man is a slave to any other man unless by choice or for payment. To consider intermarriage to be mongrelization is to consider your fellow man (who differ in race) to be anything less than your very far distant kin.
My one comment is about "those who would destroy their line"
I see all humans as sons of Odin and therefore all my kin. I do not believe that we can possibly dilute our lines but only enhance them with the prospect of more kindred and more kin. This, I believe is the truth. As sacred as our lines are to us, even the prospect of continuing them and sustaining them without diluting them is impossible unless by incest.
I'm proud to say that I'm a European/Native and proud to say I follow Odin.
I think that's a problem with the people, not the religions. It's unfortunately easy to use religion to make people violent, but the person who wants to be violent to begin with, would want to with or without religion, and is just using religion as an excuse for hate.
I have no problem with peace between the two religions or their followers. Peace is a good thing. I was just saying that I think it's better to agree to disagree, and get along despite disagreeing, than to say both religions are different ways of describing the same thing, which I think in a way sort of cheapens both beliefs, saying they have to be like each other in order for both to be valid in some way.
And what about the people who (according to the Eddas) didn't wind up in Valhalla OR the coast where the evil are punished (name escapes me)?
Plus, Thor had a child with a jötunn (giant), and many other gods married them. The fire giants led by Sutr are separate, but I don't get how you can associate Odin with God, when Odin is supposed to die at Ragnarok, and God is considered immortal. Yes, I know of the Cross, but I would figure Odin hanging for 9 days equated to that in your theory.
On the whole, yeah, but there are exceptions. I'm not saying that the giants were good, just that some of them were at least part of the time. There is a difference.
What about those Jotun (fire giants) who are portrayed by the Eddas as not being so bad? Several of them inter-marry with the Aesir and Vanir, for example. Also, Loki's wife is said to stand by him the entire time he's chained down to that rock, collecting the acid from the snake's mouth in a bowl in order to spare him from as much of it as possible. Loyalty (at least loyalty to a loved one) is not generally a trait associated with demons in Judeo-Christian belief.
Ragnarok is not a prophesy in the same way that Revelation is considered by Christians to be a prophesy. It's not guaranteed to happen, and in addition is purely symbolic.
Also, "the devil" is a Christian symbol. The Norse Gods and Goddesses are not perfect nor are the Jotun all pure evil. Loki was good friends with Odin for a long time.
Asatru don't believe in Satan, and therefore the warning that a certain being "is Satan," is pointless.
I personally believe you conveyed a few things in the wrong way. I also think you've placed to much of your own ideas onto the gods. The Gods do not despise those who do not follow. They simply don't care. Followers of the Jotun however could be a highly different matter however. My two cents.
Whoever dislikes this is a heathen.
IlvesofDrakkonDamm 1 week ago
We aren't Subjects to our gods like the Christians are to their god. We are seen as equals to our gods.
OiSkinnHead69 7 months ago
The mead contained the elixer of immortality aka the philosopher stone.
It may be found today easily as EM1 microbial innoculant. I suggest you try some. Write down a profound question before you sleep. You will see.
bullsaidart 7 months ago
@saintanarchy3 everyone hates jews. I think they're both? Not sure... Either way I'm sorry about misjudging you.
masterthehate2 8 months ago
@saintanarchy3 I think we're in agreement here... Honestly I agree with everything you're saying. I just don't understand hatred of the other races. We can preserve our ways without hating people. I wasn't included in PE because I was horrible at basketball, not because the other kids hated me.
masterthehate2 8 months ago
@masterthehate2 I don't believe Jew's have our Folks interest at heart but I don't hate them. Never been robbed by a Jew! Now, niggers! That's a horse a different color, lol! Death to shitskins! They are our NUMBER 1 enemy and don't fool yourself into thinking otherwise! WPWW 14/88
methistopholes 6 months ago
@methistopholes We could just send them back to africa too you know... If they tried to float (As shit often does) back over. Then consider it an invasion and kill them then.
As far as niggers and other truly inferior races go, in my opinion.. Out of sight, out of my country, and out of mind. IF they were back living in grass huts like their monkey brothers then that's as good as dead for me.
masterthehate2 6 months ago
@methistopholes If you live in the US then sure you have! Who do you think is behind taxing your income? Who controls the Federal Reserve? Who has stolen our country, and manipulated it into fighting unjust wars?
StandbyEurope 5 months ago
@saintanarchy3 Like hell I'll mix!! that's disgusting.
masterthehate2 8 months ago
@saintanarchy3 and no offense, brother. But I have never once read in any saga that people who were non-white couldn't partake in the rites of our gods.
masterthehate2 8 months ago
@saintanarchy3 And would they? Would a jew just wander down the path all "la dee dah" and decide to participate in a blot?
I agree with you in personal opinon. I wouldn't want non-whites partaking in my religion BUT do you think Odin cares more about skin color or strength of arm when Ragnarok comes?
masterthehate2 8 months ago
@saintanarchy3 You know the old tribes were "communistic societies" where each member of the tribe gained and survived because of the others.
Marxism? Do you have any understanding of what Marxism is?
any retard who can't even say "they're taking over our governments" without fucking it up is no one to be speaking on such things, racist and stupid or otherwise.
Odin is the All-Father. If I see you speaking such things I'll send you to Hel myself. Faggot
masterthehate2 8 months ago
jews are no victims, they and the muslims and christians always look for power, thats why they are fighting to take over europe, look at muslims now in britain, they really care about converting the world. its just sick. we must fight back and take these abrahamics out of europe!
jin54363 11 months ago
Same old crap. Stop worshipping Neolithic stories. This is the 21st century! And that goes for christians, too.
IBcooful 11 months ago
To all those folk unfamiliar with the work of woden-'Vicky the Viking'-wisdom, here's how he rolls......
He gives us HIS interpretation of how he thinks Marxists regard racism, so you ask HIM how he defines it. And HE remains silent, but is ready to jump in and again misrepresent and stereotype all leftist opinion. He's just a silly little Viking-Boy extremist, who uses terms like leftist and Marxist as a pejorative and isn't really ready for grown-up debate.
SuperMoominpapa 1 year ago
@SuperMoominpapa If I think that 'racism' is a dubious concept of Marxist origin then why would I have a definition if asked (which you haven't)? Your logic, as always, is faulty.
I do not need to misrepresent leftist opinion. It falls on its own. Any confusion about my representation of leftist opinion stems from the fact that leftist opinion is full of contradictions and faulty logic.
Grown-up debate? Would that be a debate where I agree with you on everything?
wodenswisdom 1 year ago
@wodenswisdom OK, I'll play along, 'racism' is a Marxist term and one that you don't recognise. So what word in your lexicon, do you use to describe the nature of the tension between Rwandan Hutu and Tutsi, or Idi Amin's treatment of the Indians, or the stance of the NEW Black Panther Party.
I never mentioned the BNP, it was you that made the connection and tried to defend a racially defined membership.
SuperMoominpapa 1 year ago
@SuperMoominpapa Tension between the Hutu and Tutsi's? Ethnic tension. Idi Amin's treatment of the indians could be considered ethnic cleansing (like in Zimbabwe against whites) and the BPP are anti-white black militants.
You did not explicitly say the BNP but that was clearly what you were getting at since you have gone on about the BNP entry requirements in the past.
wodenswisdom 1 year ago
@wodenswisdom The reason the colonial Belgians favoured the Tutsi was because of their supposed RACIAL similarity to Europeans. You compared Uganda to present day Zimbabwe, but Mugabe uses RACE not ethnicity as motivation for his own 'land grabs'. I mentioned the New BPP, not the BPP. And yes they are anti-white RACE militants. So there you go, there's at least three situations where people have used RACE to further their goals........and you still refuse to accept the word and it's definition.
SuperMoominpapa 1 year ago
@SuperMoominpapa How were the Tutsi racially similar to Europeans? They look nothing like Europeans.
What do you consider to be the difference between race and ethnicity?
Using the term 'race' is different from the term 'racism'. The term 'race' is the existence of genetically variant peoples. 'Racism' is the Marxism interpretation of the relationship between Europeans and other genetically distinct peoples.
wodenswisdom 1 year ago
@wodenswisdom Tutsi similar to Europeans? Well the Belgians thought so, based on an erroneous assumption about their 'heritage' and their physical features.
Yes, you're quite correct, RACE and RACISM are two completely different words ( you're really getting the most out of that 'word-a-day calender')
Tell me is AGE a word, but AGEISM a Marxist plot, is CHAUVIN a name, but CHAUVINISM a Marxist plot, is SEX a word, but SEXISM a Marxist plot
SuperMoominpapa 1 year ago
@SuperMoominpapa The Belgians were clearly wrong about the Tutsi. I have seen pictures of Tutsi's and they are nothing like Europeans. Maybe the Belgiums thought they looked European compared to the Hutu's, but not similar to Europeans.
No, I have not discovered Marxist origins for the concepts of 'ageism', 'chauvinism' and 'sexism. These concepts tend to be minor preoccupations for Marxists while they fight 'imperialism' and 'fascism'.
wodenswisdom 1 year ago
@wodenswisdom Yes, you're correct, the Belgians were wrong. That's what happens when you use the notion of race as a foundation for society.
Odinism is self-evidently racialist, but since you've not been able to give me a definition of what racism is, it's hard for me to answer.
SuperMoominpapa 1 year ago
@SuperMoominpapa While the Belgians were wrong, ethnicity is a relevant. North-Europeans are genetically and phenotypically distinct from other peoples. It is basically about loyalty to those of more recent common ancestry. Without genetic testing in our daily lives we go by physical aspects which are expressions of genetics.
'Racism' is basically a reactionist 'argument' against unfashionable/right-wing views on ethnicity and culture.
wodenswisdom 1 year ago
@wodenswisdom Ethnicity is a lot more complex than the imposed classification of race, as it covers location, culture, language and religion. Any race can have many distinct ethnicities within it. So using the the two words interchangeably isn't helpful and will always force people to question the motivation, when someone like David Lane or Nick Griffin uses the word. If you want avoid accusations of racism then try to avoid 'code-words' and euphemisms. Does 88 always mean 'Precepts' of just HH.
SuperMoominpapa 1 year ago
@SuperMoominpapa I am aware that within races their are subgroups and different degrees of relatedness. It is you who has imposed this simplistic classification on our debates. So what if Lane and Griffin use the words 'race' and 'ethnicity'? So do the rest of society. I do not care about avoiding accusations of 'racism' because I do not recognise the term. What 'code-words' and euphemisms are you referring to, and where did 88 come from? I do not remember using it.
wodenswisdom 1 year ago
@wodenswisdom I personally don't believe in the concept of races, so the idea that I simplisticaly classify is ridiculous. I've no problem with people using words like ethnicity or heritage, as long as it's not used to mask ideas about supremacy or intolerance. I never said you mentioned 88, just that you must be aware of the way that some people use 14/88 as a reference to Heil Hitler.
Keep on saying stupid shit like " Marxists invented Racism" and the only accusations will question your sanity
SuperMoominpapa 1 year ago
@SuperMoominpapa What gives you the impression that me or any nationalist use the terms ethnicity and heritage to 'mask ideas about supremacy or intolerance'? Do you not think that nationalism could be about self-preservation? When nationalists do not comply with your idea of nationalism why do you assume that there must be something malevolent behind it all?
Why mention 88 or 14/88? The concept of 'racism' is a Marxist term whether you believe it or not.
wodenswisdom 1 year ago
@wodenswisdom Should have read "or just HH"
SuperMoominpapa 1 year ago
@SuperMoominpapa Just wondered, why are you on an Odinist video? I doubt you are into Odinism since it is an indigenous North European belief system, and judging from your previous comments on other videos, you consider the preservation of anything indigenous to this part of the world 'racist'. Are you on her looking to argue with 'racist' Odinists?
wodenswisdom 1 year ago
@wodenswisdom
Why am I on an Odin-ISM video?
Well you know me, I've got a mind as broad as my shoulders.
Anti-Northern European? Moi? Not at all, I think Honi is gorgeous.
SuperMoominpapa 1 year ago
@SuperMoominpapa So you do not believe that Odinism is 'racist'?
wodenswisdom 1 year ago
Wow... you are a sick person! Odinism? Where the fuck did you get that name? I am ashamed... Asatru is not about racism! and neither about hateing the Christians! Just look at Harald Klak. Asatru is about following the line which nature gives us, and not about the lines who Hitler wantes us to follow..!
Sonnybamsen 1 year ago
@Sonnybamsen What do you believe the word 'racism' means? Are you one of those leftists who believe that 'racism' is where a white person defends their heritage? The word 'racism' is of Marxist extraction and anyone who uses it should be a figure of ridicule.
wodenswisdom 1 year ago
@wodenswisdom ......"The word 'racism' is of Marxist extraction and anyone who uses it should be a figure of ridicule".......
That's an interesting statement to hear from someone, who spends a lot of time commenting on a video called 'BNP supporter victim of a RACIST attack'. I've never once heard you trot out that line on that page.
You also support and campaign for a political party that uses the racist killings of Kriss Donald and Ross Parker as political ammunition.
What IYO is racism?
SuperMoominpapa 1 year ago
@SuperMoominpapa I may comment on the video but I did not name it.
The use of the word racism in connection to the murder of white individuals by non-Europeans when race is the motive is to illustrate the hypocrisy of leftists who consider every attack on non-whites as 'racist', but not vice versa. Either drop all this about 'racism' or illustrate that it can be directed against whites too.
wodenswisdom 1 year ago
@wodenswisdom - The fact that the scum who butchered Kriss were all convicted of racially-motivated violence goes against your fallacious arguement about how 'racism' is perceived. Racism can still be described as 'prejudice plus power', whether this power is institutional, positional or demographical. This includes armed gangs looking for an innocent young man or a political party being selective about who can or cannot join them.
SuperMoominpapa 1 year ago
@SuperMoominpapa Whether someone is convicted of racially-motivated attacks does not have an influence on how 'racism' is perceived, and the two concepts are different. 'Racially-motivated' is tangible because someones race can be a motive for attacking someone, while 'racism' is intangible.
Why should parties not be selective about who joins them? The BNP, for example, wants to save this countries heritage from Marxist scum, so why would it let people in who do not share its views?
wodenswisdom 1 year ago
Out of all the gods Loki has brown eyes I wonder what else has brown eyes from experience people with brown eyes are manipulative.
Muaythaimauler 1 year ago
I don't recall reading many of these points in the Havamal, nor any other text. Further, I will not discount a good man because his blood isn't "pure". If a man is honorable, brave, and kind, he is as a brother to me regardless of his genetic makeup. Don't bastardize my fore-father's beliefs with your own agenda against non-whites, discounting good men because of impure blood. This isn't Odin's teachings, nor does calling non-believers "enemies of Odin" behold those teachings.
MajesticChicken 1 year ago 2
Hi I'm new to this and would like to track my ancestry.
Is ther a difference between Odinism, Wotanism, Asatru???
1NX9 1 year ago
very much so
safemypikey 1 year ago
@1NX9
And judging by the content of your home page, you should rather be studying the Bagvatam Gita.
safemypikey 1 year ago
@safemypikey
Too boring.
1NX9 1 year ago
@1NX9 To be honest, as a follower of Asatru, I have not really seen any difference. To be honest, they are pretty much the same faith.
FollowerOfTheGods 1 year ago
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You all are fuckin' crazy.
XxFightinDirtyxX 1 year ago
hi! im a christian and i was wondering, do you think that maybe, Odin and Yaweh are the same god? just slightly different myths?
scott33195 1 year ago
@scott33195 bro. not even a little. your god turns his/her/its followers into sheep, servants, and spineless husks of there former selves. christianity preeches complete reliance on god and absolutely will not allow you to defend yourself
Streyar 1 year ago
@Streyar yes and no not exactly. in the myth of jesus, he tought of turning the other cheak, yes, but im sure he didnt mean to jump off a bridge if someone tells you to. he also tought of love. the reason the bible says humans are sheep is because as humans we are sheep in my opinion. we follow whatever catches our eyes: media economy politics. not to mention i think that Odin is God because they both reside in the heaven and their son fights a reptile thing. parallels cant be ignored my friend.
scott33195 1 year ago
@scott33195 it would only be parallel if the ideas were created around the same time. however this isnt the case. sorry to berate your faith but in my opinion christianity just took alot of stuff from a bunch of other religions and changed some stuff around a little. and the Gods of the norsemen arent hear to save us from "first sin" they are hear to guide us toward a much more righteous and honorable path. and if you want to be a sheep fine but some of us refuse this role so many have excepted.
Streyar 1 year ago
@Streyar the parallels changed over time. thats what makes them "parallels," and not "the same." Christianity is influenced greatly from many other religions. the traditions and a few beliefs are. although the core belief in one God, his son, and his highest messenger was a combination of originality and from judaism.
scott33195 1 year ago
@scott33195 regardless christianity copies all the other religions and jumps for fuckin joy and rubs it in EVERYONES faces when some of their stuff happens to be right.
Streyar 1 year ago
@scott33195 No, Christianity is a desert religion as well as Islam and Judaism. All 3 should have stayed in the desert to destroy each other there in the desert instead of spreading worldwide and turning this earth into complete trash.
DevilishBlueEyes 1 year ago
@DevilishBlueEyes the world is complete trash because humans are trashing it. do you think that it would be any different if buddhism or odinism were the dominant religions? not to mention there were also many forms of odinism in different countries of the north left to "destroy eachother."
scott33195 1 year ago
@scott33195 I really do reckon the world would be different if christianity, jewdaism and islam had stayed "in the desert" because they are all monotheistic religions ased on the same original book.
odinism and many of the other religions present before the spread of christianity into europe were polytheistic and much more accepting of each other, and while sure nations went to war against each other they didn't do it in the name of any god/goddess as a "holy war"
wintersnowolves 1 year ago
@wintersnowolves um... vikings?
scott33195 1 year ago
@scott33195 what about them? they prayed for victory and celebrated when they won but did they actually go to war over the religion?
wintersnowolves 1 year ago
@wintersnowolves oh well, im not too educated about the Northern religions. although i know that Native Americans, Persians, and Babylonians conquered in the name of a god of war, the sky, or the creator.
scott33195 1 year ago
@scott33195 oh they'd go to war in the name of whichever god but they didnt do it with... religious backing... if you get me. they never went due to the "my god/gods are better than your god/gods" argument.
wintersnowolves 1 year ago
@DevilishBlueEyes yes we need to toss the enslaving cape of these desert religions...honor Odin and your ancestors instead.
Cuah123 1 year ago
Greetings from Gaulish side my friends! The Gauls and Norse once had much in common and still do!
HoundofOdin 1 year ago
Thank you for taking the time to make this video.
alwatts1488 1 year ago
Damn Nazifucks - Get awey from the beuty that Forn Sidr is! - Hail to an nonracist Odin!
Frejadisa 1 year ago 4
@Frejadisa well said
wintersnowolves 1 year ago
A long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away.
ecnalubma696969 1 year ago
fuck odin, he's a fake
HAIL mickey mouse
o24681o121416182o 1 year ago
Here is a message from icelanders stop putting racism into asatru. Odanism wtf?
there is no sutch thing, its asatru and nothing else. Dont put twists into our beliefs and its not a white extremist belief.
NitroxideHS 1 year ago 3
Wasn't Odin hung from a tree and stabbed in the side with a spear? I don't, seems to resemble something else.
JrzJohnny 1 year ago
@JrzJohnny yes he was
horismoku 1 year ago
I'm interested in learning more about Odin-ism. An acquaintance of mine is an Odinist but we lost touch just when I was willing to learn more. I like the principals behind it, aside from the fact of mongrelism. That bit bothers me, I hear a lot of christians preaching that in churches and it greatly upsets my morals considering the fact I suppose I was raised "color blind." But if anyone has the time feel free to sent me a message so we may speak more in depth.
izsmrpickle 1 year ago
@izsmrpickle long time since you posted about this so hope you remember it...
there are 3 main types of odinists i have come across, universalists, tribalists, and (essentially) the skin-heads who give it a bad name. universalists say any colour person of any decent can be an odinist, tribalists (if remembrin right) won't stop a person becoming an odinist if they want, and the skin-heads are totalitarian in preventing different coloured people joining. by the above definition im a tribalist
wintersnowolves 1 year ago
@wintersnowolves Ya, its funny you said that cause the other day I ran into an odinist and he noticed my mjolnir I received as a gift from one of my friends and we had started talking then he did a completely 180 in attitude when my girlfriend (who is of Japanese descent) came to the car. Started talking about how I shouldn't be allowed my gift, ect. But your explanation brings a lot of things to light.
izsmrpickle 1 year ago
@izsmrpickle no problem, feel free to message if you want some more info (note, i dont know all of it meself but hey, it aint the easiest religion to find out about without having to sift through some complete garbage)
wintersnowolves 1 year ago
Hail Odin.
iamunluckyme 1 year ago
@those Odinists who go on about 'racists' in Odinism. The Marxist manipulated governments use the term racist to demonise any North European people who are concerned about the survival of our people and heritage. By excluding anyone who the left-wing intelligentsia denounce as racist you are excluding the very people who the survival of our native belief system relies on and you undermine the future of our belief system. Do not play into Marxist hands. You are being manipulated.
wodenswisdom 2 years ago 17
Typical response from a white traitor who will watch his own people get manipulated by jews and destroyed by invaders. I think I'll stay and fight. This is my home and I won't be leaving any time soon.
FidesExerc 2 years ago 15
@FidesExerc How many jews have personally done anything to YOU or ME. What are you, Muslim? Let the Muslims and jews fight over Israel. The desert's are not our home. We belong to the north winds and the cold seas.
Nordic pride.
masterthehate2 8 months ago
@wodenswisdom yeah, I thought odinists were supposed to live harmoniously when in contact with other cultures and not try to impose different values on them.
AAtaak 1 year ago
@AAtaak You misunderstand Odinism. You can only live harmoniously with those who are prepared to live harmoniously with you and it seems that it is not usually the case with immigrants to Northern Europe. Odinism is not a hippy religion. An Odinists duty is to protect their beliefs and traditions. An Odinist would not impose their beliefs onto other cultures because Odinism is not a universal belief system. It is for those of North European descent. Each to their own.
wodenswisdom 1 year ago
@wodenswisdom WOTAN= Will Of The Aryan Nation
TheEinarr88 1 year ago
I Agree! Hail Hail Ermen!
GodsofGermania 2 years ago
My last name is Thurman or in scandalnavian Thor's man. This belief system is that of my familys family, and it disgusts me how it has been manipulated into a racist way of being. Any one that knows anything about my people would know that we assimilated with the people that we conquored. That means we altered our blood lines. It is not writen any where that I have ever seen that we wanted nor cared about a pure blood line. That is Nazism, not Odinism.
MarlinB 2 years ago 12
Look up the term Volk or Volkish then get back to me. The Norse of old certainly were not suicidal, and in the process of invasion, they didn't stand by and watch it happen without fighting their invaders.
FidesExerc 2 years ago 7
I am a member of the only Åsatru community in norway being suported by the state, people with racist or nazi ideals are denied membership, Åsatru is a religion who do not care for race, sexuality or anny other difference of that sort, people who belive in that are not welcome among us and we do not suport their worship of the old gods. But tell me this, what is te difference betwen Åsatru and Odinism? I myself have only heard racists speak of Odinism, others keep to Åsatru, or am I wrong?
HaakonTheViking 2 years ago
I didn't think that there was a diference. I supose there is a posibiltiy though. Disgusting bigots manipulated the Quran to form the Nation of Islam which a racist organization. Weak minded individuals could have, in their cowardice could have altered Asatru to form a racist sect of the religion.
MarlinB 2 years ago
I just wanted to add support to the Nation of Islam remark, and if anyone wants to say differently to what you stated, then they needn't look any further then the biography of Malcolm X.
izsmrpickle 1 year ago
Look, you don't have to be racist to want and preserve your blood line. Worshiping the gods of our eropean ancestors is folk oriented (BLOOD). If you lived in America you would have the same desire. There are so many non whites here that hate whites and want to try and breed us out it's disgusting. So you then become even more driven to connect with white culture, blood and the past. Caring about your race is a necessity for the survival of our people
FullMoonMysticism1 2 years ago 4
Dude! Annyone can be a pagan, black or white, your "blood" does not matter. Breed out whites? wtf too mutch nazi propaganda perhaps?
The so called white race is not endagerd or annything, if you feel unwellcome where you live becouse of your skinn colour, then simple move!
HaakonTheViking 2 years ago
The Odinist Fellowship here in the UK is not a racist organisation by any means. Some of the people within it may be but the Fellowship itself is not.
The same applies to the Odinic Rite.
StevePhoenix1988 2 years ago
@HaakonTheViking very long time since you posed this question but think I can in part answer it...
I'm from the UK, born a christian, used to believe it. 3/4 years ago I lost faith and looked to find a religion that appealed to my core beliefs to start with and I come across "Odinism." If asked what religion I follow I will say Odinism before Asatru because its the name I came across first... unfortunately it was a racist dominated forum that I found it on so maybe its a poor example
wintersnowolves 1 year ago
@wintersnowolves focus instead on Odin as your ancestor, as an example on how to live.
Cuah123 1 year ago
Good points but Odin is called that in Old Norsk he's kwon as Wotan in German.
arkvoldthebonecrushe 2 years ago 4
this is bull shit no one has ominisince not even the gods. if something new everything it would fall under the own weight of it's own knowledge.
jojothebastardbunny 2 years ago
If there is no predestination, then why was fatalism such a strong component in the Old Ways? If man doesn't need a savior, then explain everything that the gods, specifically Odin did for the Scandinavian race? If you don't think that you can take your possessions with you, then why did the original worshipers of the Asa burn their beloved dead with their possessions thinking that all matter had a spiritual equivalent? Can someone explain?
LeGrondeur 2 years ago
they probably didnt burn eveyrthing they owned or burried it, but gave it to their sons and daughters or to the tibe. Some things went with them supposedly, but what use would tools be in the afterlife? Maybe they felt they wanted these items burried with them so that others could not have them. The thing is, no one knows what is instore for us in any after life but me personally. The gods/goddess gave us life, so we thank them, we dont believe we need any 'salvation', that is christianity.
seamuspowers 2 years ago
I'm not trying to be sarcastic or contrary, but the fact is we know that the Vik believed that all physical matter had its spiritual or incorporeal equivalent, a pan-animism. Therefore, if you destroy the physical matter the spiritual essence is free of its bond. I can provide a link to that if you would like.
And you are simply doing what modern New Age reconstructionsists do concerning salvation. Which is why Odinism and Asatru as they are practiced today fall neatly into that category.
LeGrondeur 2 years ago
Ancesteral religion, a good part of the religion is worshipping of the ancestors. Odin being the greatest as legend says. However there are many views on this. Odinism isnt the correct term to use to begin with to explain this religion. Odinism gives the sense that the entire religion is centered around Odin. Odin being the head god, but not the only one worshipped. Asatru is the correct term, but there are many terms for it.
seamuspowers 2 years ago
Just because Asatru and Odinism have a commonality with Christianity doesn't mean that you can just remove the commonality because it turns you off. That's just wrong, no two ways about it. Salvation is not a Christian idea, it is a human idea. And Odin's graciousness is what rewards courage with entrance into Valhalla(salvation). The World Tree is an outstanding narrative, outlining the archetypal "savior" where Odin becomes the suffering savior.
It's just a fact, Asatru calls for a savior.
LeGrondeur 2 years ago
Well there is a good and a bad, all religions have that. However we all look at things different. I cant speak much for slavic heathenism, or baltic heathenism, but its along the same lines as Asatru or Celtic/Roman. Essentially all these religions were the same, and broke up over time mostly due to language barriers.
seamuspowers 2 years ago
You have a very bad understanding of Odinism. The gods aren't there to save you, they are there to guide you, so you live an honorable life. You are taught to be self reliant not a slave to god, very different to Christianity. Which is the reason why Christianity was so incompatible with europe and why they fought against it for so long.
UnyieldingDefiance 2 years ago 26
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europe fought against christianity? can i have a refrence, or can you tell me, i would like to learn about it?
abdulbade 1 year ago
@abdulbade um look at history like how the church burned "witches" for worshipping "pagan" gods i'm sure there was alot of fighting about that i know if someone came to my home and said "you have to believe what i believe or you're going to die" i'd fight them
horismoku 1 year ago
@UnyieldingDefiance Well said.. this video is by far not the core of Odinism.. it's the Core of Wotanism.which is pretty much just racism wrapped in a religious package no different than the KKK. Odin is a half breed as is his son Thor. So how can you be purer than your god? Hail Odin and may the truth be shown to these ignorant liars.
TheWellofMimir 11 months ago
@TheWellofMimir Hey I never said Odinism was for people of different ethnicities, there are no different ethnicities in the myths. All the gods and the Giants are described as our ancestors would have seen eachother and the world around them.
I'm a folkish Odinist, you have to be white Germanic to be an Odinist.
UnyieldingDefiance 11 months ago
Now, if you want to admit that Odinism is a modern construct, and that it is a conglomeration of varied ancient religious qualities from the Scandinavian/ Germanic people group.... well that is a whole other matter. In that case you would be right. But if you are claiming that Odinism is a faithful tradition keeping the integrity of the old.... that isn't even remotely accurate or objective.
LeGrondeur 2 years ago 2
There is actually very little evidence to assure that every individual was buried with their belongings, and that they were a major component in the afterlife. It was typically those whom had wealth and worthy belongings who were buried with them.
PrplStckyPnch008 2 years ago
I'm really not trying to piss anyone off but there seems to be a common them here. Many Odinists and Asatru Folk claim to be faithfully observing the Old Ways and yet I always seem to hear them saying stuff like:"There is no predestination!" or "We need no salvation." or "You can't carry on into the next life tangible possessions." But that is the antithesis of what was believed in ancient times. It's intellectually dishonest.
LeGrondeur 2 years ago
People take things to literal, they did back then because they did not know what the afterlife was. People, this includes every religion really believe that they can take their xbox360 with them into the aftrlife and play it with god or odin or lugus and smoke afew blunts with them. That is absurd! I dont believe in that, I am a heathen [personally follow the cetlic/germanic path] but do it in a morem odern sense.
seamuspowers 2 years ago
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Ah i think people should watch my video response to this !!!
shermonator88 2 years ago
Sod Odin and his 'rules' - wherever they've come from?
Hail Freyja and f*ck anything that moves!
(if it doesn't move, f*ck it 'till it does)
Sturmtiger100 2 years ago
Our Children are the only reason for living.
There is nothing more important.
kwazi6 2 years ago
But what created the process for us to even have children? Thats what religion is for. Athiest take things to literal, as soon as they read a bible or the havamal, they say that crap is bullshit, the earth wasnt created 500 years ago but five million. My friend science only explains so much, religion is used to explain the other half, the fact is, humans play the guessing game, thats all we have done for our entire exsistence.
seamuspowers 2 years ago
@kwazi6 um excuse me but what about those of us who do'nt have children nor wish to have them are you saying that all we are is things to pump out future versions of us who in turn have no point but to pump out more? that's a sad way to look at life you're basically calling all of us breeders and that's all we should do well excuse me but i hate children and want none thanks
horismoku 1 year ago
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these are just as fake as the greek or roman old beliefs...But if it was real..I'm sure the norse god Odin,greek god zues,and roman god jupiter are having a brawl as we speak..
mythologySeeker 2 years ago
omg history fail
SwordBound 2 years ago
We know there are myths ofcourse, but these are OUR MYTHS. They connect Us to Our Ancestors' Heritage.
This is the History that the jewish-christian myths seek to and have separated Us from.
kwazi6 2 years ago
your a fucking idiot. you call yourself a mythology seeker yet you have no respect for any mythology. To Hel with you.
SirThorgil 2 years ago
LOL if so Odin would fuck them all, Odin is God of gods.
666Warg999 2 years ago
@mythologySeeker so prove it's fake to me........
horismoku 1 year ago
Hail Odin King of the Aryan Gods may he bless
Germany, Holland and Iceland Bless them one and all Odin.
Gnostic2030 2 years ago
Hail Odin! hail the gods! Thank you for making this video, I hope to have this in the future to show my daughter.
ullrsecho 2 years ago
xervans are you from AL?. message me if ya want.
greenzspy 2 years ago
Irminenschaft of the SS is different than Astaru and Wotanism. To become Wotan in the flesh through mastery of the Light of the Runes, is to become Irmin. Those who become Irmin are the pillar, they bear the fire of Vril and the light of the inner sun. All other dimensions of the Edda on the bridge of light emanate to a lesser degree in this world, therefore we need only concern ourselves with this world, to become Gods, that is the meaning of life, and the gate to Valhalla.
DIABOLISMUNDI 2 years ago
yea they are invaders to the OTHER people but not to themself
doomsdale91 2 years ago
kudos on laying out the principals of Odinism. not a pagan, but it's better than other three religions I could name
purplehazethc 2 years ago
thanks for posting this up im not a pagan but i do respect them much more normal religions HAILZ!
sonofjaybirdswind 2 years ago
In the US we have invaders from south of the border. would you question that? In Europe, they have invaders as well. In Russia they also have invaders. Are you really trying to be serious? Im not even talking about the politics behind nations yet, but we can certainly get into how whole political systems get changed as a result of manipulation and deceit. They too would be invaders.
If you want serious discussion on this, I can do that, but try to use some common sense first.
FidesExerc 2 years ago 2
@FidesExerc My recent family is from south of the border, but my fathers are dna R1b u106 l48 =Frisian/Saxon and my mothers fathers are haplo I1 = Ultra Norse...care not to keep your brother down because of the color of his skin. Dub Gall exist, take it literally.
Cuah123 1 year ago
well your doing a good job of it any way.
much better then just about every nazitruer out their.
im inpressed...
hell, maby if you close your eyes and scream loud enough your version of asatru will become the right one.
a round of applause for you! your videos and statements not only conveys retardation but ignorance
greenzspy 2 years ago
this is not asatru it is odinism...they are different your comment shows retardation and ignorance
doomsdale91 2 years ago
first off odinism isent really asatru, it is not history based. so my responce is
NO YOU!
p.s. ur poo dose indeed stink
greenzspy 2 years ago
your retarded. Asatru is an old norse word meanin faith in the Gods. Odinism is what some choose to call that faith today. do some research before you post retarded comments like that again.
Hail Odin. Hail Frigga. Hail the Aesir and Vanir.
May Odin bless you all
SirThorgil 2 years ago
why do you insists on making us all look retarded?
if you wana spew this stuff do it in a place where only asatruars can see.
any one can see this hear thanks baby wipe
greenzspy 2 years ago
With your last comment, you do well enough making yourself look retarded; You certainly don't need my help.
FidesExerc 2 years ago
Now all you have to do is tell us which came first.
Christianity is a 'Copy' religion. Many things are consistant between Odinism and Christianity, but the Xtians distort and make a mockery of our volkish lines. They do this while adhering to the will of their jew masters.
REAL Odinists hate lies and deceipt.
REAL Odinists would defend their kin from destruction.
FidesExerc 2 years ago
Great video, 5 stars over and over!!
Ulfvaldr2012 2 years ago
one eyed god? like horus or Ra.....wow atleast other religions recreate their gods to not appear to be of a resemblence,
erice161 2 years ago
Ásatrú/Odinism beginnings go far back into pre-history with evidence dating to 42,000 years ago. Horus and Ra , about 3100 BC. so, who stold from who?!?!?
Ulfvaldr2012 2 years ago
just because they are similar dosent mean some one stole from some one eles, un less your a catholic priest in the roman empire, orginoll mythology theives.
greenzspy 2 years ago
Odin originally had 2 eyes, but sacrificed one of his eyes. Not like Ra at all.
FidesExerc 2 years ago
P.S. The christains stoled everthing about there religion, and most ironicly from Egypt. Jesus has more in comon with Horus than any 2 other Gods
Ulfvaldr2012 2 years ago
mongralisation? race? if you are a follower of odin GOD OF knowledge U would not spout this garbage..
HAIL THE ASIEAR
HAIL THE VAINEAR
WASSAIL TO MY BROTHERS FREE OF HATE!
greenzspy 2 years ago
Odin would and does recognize that our people our blood are being lost.....so take your new age bs and go back to Christianity....
14revolutioncalling 2 years ago
some one is testy lol!!!
greenzspy 2 years ago
INFILTRATOR!!!
Odinism is all about blood lineage.
Keep your peace, love, everyone is the same bull shit and go spout it to the kikes that you bow down to.
Fuck off and die
FidesExerc 2 years ago
I'd happily bow to the 'kikes' as you call them, much rather than your idiotic ways.
Stop perverting the name of our ancestors.
Reidhir 2 years ago
The slower and the more painful of a death you have the better.
My ancestors fought off invaders and stood for something. You welcome the infestation and greet them with open arms.
In all seriousness, just die. You're unworthy of your blood (assuming you're white in the first place)
FidesExerc 2 years ago
I'd like to see you provide such an end, níðingar.
Reidhir 2 years ago
Hail! Allfather is not omnipotent. Omnipotence is a myth created by Xtians. The Gods are finite.
CrimsonNasferatu 2 years ago 3
Yes, The Gods as living tangible beings are finite. But their characteristics, traits, ideologies, virtues, etc. are infinite if we continue to pass them down.
The gods live in us by proxy.
FidesExerc 2 years ago
That's because everything else is the same, and these are the only visible differences.
Your assertion serves to emphasize the unity of humanity, rather than exaggerate the difference, as was clearly your goal.
Anyway, I'm done. YOU sir, are a troll... of the internet variety. If you don't know what that is, look it up.
charliehazzard 3 years ago
How does having a certain color of skin make one more or less likely to survive in today's society? If it doesn't, then it's not beneficial, and therefore not evolution.
Mutations aren't "good" or "bad" just because they are, but because of the way in which they affect a specific species' chances of survival in a specific environment. In Northern Europe, sure, being white may have made you blend in better with the snow, but in someplace hot, having darker skin decreases the chance of sunburn.
charliehazzard 3 years ago
In addition, how is it impossible that the alfs and the trolls were yet another type of "spirit," similar to a landwight? Why do they have to be members of some species? The only reason I can come up with is that you start with a bias, and then try to prove yourself right, ignoring (or stretching for an interpretation that suits you for) any evidence or text that doesn't support your pre-existing opinion. Rather than say I'm wrong and insult my assertions, why don't you show me HOW I'm wrong?
charliehazzard 3 years ago
"Can science explain his sudden appearance on the planet? No."
On the Origin of Species - Charles Darwin
Start there.
Religion and science don't have to go against one another, except when religion fails to accept that scientific observations are clearly fact, and therefore dogma shouldn't be more important than KNOWLEDGE.
charliehazzard 3 years ago
Wait... so... let me guess... you (theoneandonlyrv2... not everyone who honors the Gods) view the Eddas as literal, and basically your own version of the Bible?
Also... You think Thor runs around with a hammer beating the crap out of people over their race?
I'm glad I don't subscribe to your bullshit, sir. What about when humans are mentioned separately from the trolls and alves?
Being any color besides a light/medium brown (think middle-eastern) is a genetic mutation. Science HAS proven that.
charliehazzard 3 years ago
ill tackle that.... look we as Odinists dont necessarily view the Lore as factual history. We dont view Thor as an actual red bearded man running around all muscled up with a hammer killing giants any more than a christian believes his god is an old man with white robes golden sashes and a crown sitting on a throne (which by the way is the way the greeks viewed zeus). We know that there is a real Thor but our brains cannot fully grasp what he is so we use the symbology passed down to us.
SirThorgil 2 years ago
thankyou, you took the words out of my mind!
seamuspowers 2 years ago
Those who would seek to destroy it, like say.. stupid motherfuckers like you who fail to understand that just because you're not a hateful motherfucker doesn't make you a hippy.
You must be fucking retarded.
Honor your ancestors, the Gods and Odin the allfather, ALL fucking father, if you're too stupid to understand what "all"father represents than go worship some bleeding ChristGod.
masterthehate 3 years ago
what the fuck are you babbling about. get a grip before you post child.
SirThorgil 2 years ago
I'm sorry to say, but if you intend to pass off hatred under the banner of Odinism and Asatru than I can only utter a nid to you. The idea you expressed reminded me of skinheads who pervert and twist Odinism into some pseudo-neonazi tool to spread hatred against those who're non-Aryan. If this is your view than indeed a Nid by Odin and Rigr and all of the aesir.
If I'm wrong, and I hope I am, I take back anything I said but it seems like I'm not wrong, at least about the message you send.
masterthehate 3 years ago
In fact to even refer to inter-marriage as "mongalization" makes me think you're some extremist who is the true enemy of the all-father. There is no honor in segregating your fellow man, who are also held equal by the gods. No man is a slave to any other man unless by choice or for payment. To consider intermarriage to be mongrelization is to consider your fellow man (who differ in race) to be anything less than your very far distant kin.
masterthehate 3 years ago
My one comment is about "those who would destroy their line"
I see all humans as sons of Odin and therefore all my kin. I do not believe that we can possibly dilute our lines but only enhance them with the prospect of more kindred and more kin. This, I believe is the truth. As sacred as our lines are to us, even the prospect of continuing them and sustaining them without diluting them is impossible unless by incest.
I'm proud to say that I'm a European/Native and proud to say I follow Odin.
masterthehate 3 years ago
I think that's a problem with the people, not the religions. It's unfortunately easy to use religion to make people violent, but the person who wants to be violent to begin with, would want to with or without religion, and is just using religion as an excuse for hate.
charliehazzard 3 years ago
I have no problem with peace between the two religions or their followers. Peace is a good thing. I was just saying that I think it's better to agree to disagree, and get along despite disagreeing, than to say both religions are different ways of describing the same thing, which I think in a way sort of cheapens both beliefs, saying they have to be like each other in order for both to be valid in some way.
charliehazzard 3 years ago
And what about the people who (according to the Eddas) didn't wind up in Valhalla OR the coast where the evil are punished (name escapes me)?
Plus, Thor had a child with a jötunn (giant), and many other gods married them. The fire giants led by Sutr are separate, but I don't get how you can associate Odin with God, when Odin is supposed to die at Ragnarok, and God is considered immortal. Yes, I know of the Cross, but I would figure Odin hanging for 9 days equated to that in your theory.
charliehazzard 3 years ago
On the whole, yeah, but there are exceptions. I'm not saying that the giants were good, just that some of them were at least part of the time. There is a difference.
charliehazzard 3 years ago
spazz out at the guy who called you a fruitcake again. twas good.
cobaltdan9 3 years ago
What about those Jotun (fire giants) who are portrayed by the Eddas as not being so bad? Several of them inter-marry with the Aesir and Vanir, for example. Also, Loki's wife is said to stand by him the entire time he's chained down to that rock, collecting the acid from the snake's mouth in a bowl in order to spare him from as much of it as possible. Loyalty (at least loyalty to a loved one) is not generally a trait associated with demons in Judeo-Christian belief.
charliehazzard 3 years ago
Dear FidesExerc,
You're an idiot. There is no evidence that Odin or any of the Aesir or Vanir want you to be racist.
charliehazzard 3 years ago
Ragnarok is not a prophesy in the same way that Revelation is considered by Christians to be a prophesy. It's not guaranteed to happen, and in addition is purely symbolic.
Also, "the devil" is a Christian symbol. The Norse Gods and Goddesses are not perfect nor are the Jotun all pure evil. Loki was good friends with Odin for a long time.
Asatru don't believe in Satan, and therefore the warning that a certain being "is Satan," is pointless.
charliehazzard 3 years ago
I personally believe you conveyed a few things in the wrong way. I also think you've placed to much of your own ideas onto the gods. The Gods do not despise those who do not follow. They simply don't care. Followers of the Jotun however could be a highly different matter however. My two cents.
Thulgore 3 years ago