typical christian..they always pick a phrase in the book and make it a stepping stone to prove they are right..they always ignore the other phrases that answer for the other phrases..even in their own bible.they can't even point a statement that Jesus (PBUH) claim divinity or worship him,but they still wanna pick a phrase that actually shown nothing of Jesus claim divinity.but no christian even follow what had Jesus said in John 16:12-14..We Muslim follow Jesus more then Christian 'emself
WHATEVER FOR YA'LL HATERZZZ!!! ISLAM IS SPREADING AT YOU, SO TELL ME WHAT YOU GONNA DO? KEEP ON TALKING THE NONSENSE, BUT THE SPIRIT OF ISLAM IS SNIPPING INTO UR NERVE. IT IS NOT HATRED THAT WAS INSIDE U..U SEE, IT IS SOME KIND OF JELOUSY. SO TELL ME NOW, BAD BOY BAD BOY, WHAT U GONNA DO, WHAT U GONNA DO, ISLAM IS CLOSE TO YOU, OWH..BAD BOY BAD BOY! (MAN, I CAN RAP TOO, I CANT BELIEVE IT, LOL)
And the fact this guy takes that as evidence shows a lack of ability to comprehend the comparisons he just made.
And believes this unfounded claim just as an illiterate Arab man did around 1350 years ago. That is not something I'd want to say on a podium addressing an audience...
U did not understand what the guy meant..that is different :)...Muhammad was illitarate but was wise and of a good mind and soul. he just couldn't read or write :)..and suddenly at 40 years he became able to...after the revelation..you don't think he knew how to read and write and kept it a secret amooung his people to suddenly amaze them with verses they were not able to replicate or defy..it even took their greatests poets and bards with daze and cofusion that they named it "magical words"..
"If there is camel dung on the ground, a camel was here."
Yup
"If there is a (human) footprint in the sand, a human was here"
Fair enough, yes.
But the existence of planets or the universe itself is NOT evidence of a God.
You know from observation that camels produce dung, so when you see it you can assume a camel was there. You also know from observation that we leave footprints in the sand.
However, because no one has ever witnessed a deity creating a universe, the comparison fails.
man you can't convince me that the earth and all the systems working together in perfect harmony..to protect us and stain life on earth is Just a mere chance,,,,some chaios came into prefect order..how come? explain? have u ever seen that before...cahos come to order, even primitive order withot an external influence..no ozone layer we are toast by UV no magnitic field we are toast by solar radiations..no water,atmosphere, appropriate temp we are screwed..
why do you think he is not intellegent...many people converted becuase they listen to that man....why do you thing you are smarter than him OR smarter than them...narcasis? greatness madness? what?
Because the things he is saying are not intelligent.
He puts forth two easily proven experiential facts (one about camel dung and another about footprints) and then makes an erroneous comparison of those facts with the existence of the universe as proof of God's existence.
All of his claims are based on unproven assumptions. And then he says morality cannot exist without a belief in God, which is easily proven otherwise. His arguments lack credibility.
@ac44na45va46 If Allah is so Powerfull and Omniscient, why did THEY let you post a so stupid comment ? Because THEY will deeply mislead unbielievers like you in their sins and their stupidity.
I always wonder about those who are trying to define the moral absoloutes in a constantly changing (dare I say EVOLVING) world. We must as men constantly observe the history of our civilizations, our codes and ethics, and integrate new technologies to further our potentials.
Quite right -- given a glimpse into our rear view of history, we have to question how effective religion really is, particularly since religion has had much, much more time than science to sell itself. Religion did not give us conveniences such as modern plumbing, aquifers, mass transit, penicillin, or the Internet. All the while, more and more people are turning away from religion.
One need not go to peace TV to challenge zakir or others like him. My challenge to Zakir (and all of you muslims) is that if he is a doctor he knows what is hypnotism and let him get hypnotised and I will prove from your own mouths that you all had previous births - all are reborn- you cross check the details.-and therefore afterlife, hellfire, judgement day , heaven with virgins are all false. see Ramachandra Guruji proving it in youtube. A muslim schoolboy talks of his previous birth.
1)i have read english translations of the quo'ran..and just like the bible, it is full of contradictions and misogyny...2)you are placing supernatural elements into physiclan study..what has worshipping allah got to do with science?!?! ...why do i need to worship a god when all ineed to is conduct an experiment??? 3) so...if you want to learn about religion, go to anyone...but if you want to learn about islam...go to an 'unbiased' muslim?!?! lol!!!
Surah 3:52-When Jesus found Unbelief on their part He said: "Who will be My helpers to (the work of) Allah?" Said the disciples: "We are Allah's helpers: We believe in Allah, and do thou bear witness that we are Muslims.
6:163-163: Say: "Truly, my prayer and my service of sacrifice, my life and my death, are (all) for Allah, the Cherisher of the Worlds:
No partner hath He: this am I commanded, and I am the first of those who bow to His will.
muslim purely means someone who submits their will to the will of God. meaning all the prophets were muslims
as for the second verse you said that contradicts this is simply just saying to muhammad (saw) that he is to be the first muslim among his people- because they were all idolaters
simple as that - no contradictions- you have to read them in context
Jesus lived quite some time before mohammed. So... if Jesus was a muslim... then mohammed certainly wasn't the first muslim. Therefore... contradiction.
ok let me explain this again seeing as your having much difficulty
read in context
the muhammad verse is refering to muhammad being the first person to be a muslim amongst his people i.e the makkans- if you read it says "say: truly...." showing that God is telling him to say this to the makkans
the jesus verse is saying that they are muslims in the context that they submit their will to the will of God's (literal meaning of muslim)
so there have been muslims from the beggining of time.
islam isn't a new religon it's a re established abrahamic religon that has rid or interpretations, translations, and man made verses. This is the word of ALLAH continue looking for a contradiction for this book has no flaw for it is made by the divine power. Your bible is partly divine and rest mankind has entered it's print.
Look all your life if you find one contradiction that cannot be justified or proven wrong i will convert to any religon you want. how's that sounds? but if i find contradiction in christianty how about you convert? ...are you willing? i know i am for the word of allah is by my side, my creator, your creator, the worlds sustainer ya karemu ya satar ya mujeru ya jabar
I find it funny that Yusufali, Pickthal AND Shakir disagree with your translation. Since you cannot hope to compare your credentials with theirs, I think I'll accept their translation.
But again... you fail to reconcile that in one verse, Allah can do anything immediately, and in the next... it takes him some time. Thus... a contradiction.
ppl ask questions for many reasons. Atheists ask questions to confusion believers and As soon as you answer them they will throw another question.
Just to keep you way from their faith or no-faith which is unique every Atheist has different beliefs. They have few common goals and one of them is to confusion religious ppl.
Unfortunately, it's not win-loss game it's either Heaven or Hell so Be careful which option you pick.
The challenge was "Find a contradiction in the quran". I did so. I find it interesting that conspicuous contradiction is merely brushed aside by the "believers".
The quran contains contradictions, thus... it isn't perfect. And if not perfect, obviously wasn't written by a "perfect" being, of which there STILL is no evidence of 6,000 years after it's inception by Akhenaton.
Even if I prove there is no contradictions in the Qur'an; you will still be an atheist. Anyhow
To shortcut the discussion "the Quran, has challenged all mankind with all their literary geniuses and scientists, from the first day of its revelation to the Last Day, to produce a like of it or even a single chapter of it."
To prove The Qur'an is not from ALLAH simple produce a single chapter of it.
To prove "Henry V" is not from Shakespear, simple produce a single chapter of it.
This makes no sense. Nor does your statement.
I have already shown a contradiction. In one statement, the quran states that allah can do anything, immediately. In another, it states it took allah 6 days to do something. This, is a contradiction. This certainly proves the quran has contradictions.
And no... it has not challenged "all of mankind". Finding a contradiction was easy. Would you like another?
Frankly, I expected that answer. God decided to allow a contridiction in its book.
But... you can't answer "he wanted it that way" to this one:
6:101 " The Originator of the heavens and the earth! How can He have a child, when there is for Him no consort, when He created all things and is Aware of all things? "
So... a god that can do anything, but can't have children without a consort. yet creates everything else from nothing. Hmmm... seems to me yet another contradiction!
Sura 7:54-Your Guardian-Lord is Allah, Who created the heavens and the earth in six days, and is firmly established on the throne
If you're going to try to correct Yusufali. Pickthal, or Shakir... you need to show your credentials. There's nothing to correct. This, is a contradiction. And you can't get around that.
@Exmech2 the heavens and the earth has not been created in six days but in six periods you , Ayoum can be days or periods but scientifictly its not possible that the heavens and earth were created in six days so its six periods
@TryingToBeGoodMuslim Salaam wR Allah wB! Brother, these guys know the truth but they are paid to write what they write :) People who know the truth but are paid to say and write these things will never tell you that they know these facts and that they know the Truth, they will keep coming up with things one after the other in the same way you noticed, :) They are here to throw questions without wanting an answer :) They will jump to next Q ..
@usmangani71 You're saying I know the truth, but am PAID to write what I write? This is not the first time I've seen a muslim lie. Won't be the last either.
Sorry, but your quran state that "shooting stars" are thrown by allah to strike down djinn. We know what shooting stars are now. Meteorites. No "god" has anything to do with them, and they do not strike down djinn. An error in the quran perhaps?
@Dunya2akhira I see, you say he "WON'T" do something, but of course he CAN do it. But then, who are you to say what this "god" will or will not do, eh? On a side note, the world got along quite well without Islam. There is no such thing as truth by popularity. Merely because "millions" prove themselves ignorant, and wishing to delve into delusion does not prove that delusion to be "truth".
@Exmech2 its like you have no understanding, the momnet God does such acts he's not god, the title would not represent the meaning.
Islam (Submission) is same religion given to Adam (AS) and all the Prophets (AS). Quran is the final message from God given to mankind. try to be humble in your approach and submit to your creator. Peace
@Dunya2akhira If I told you to submit to the will of the Leprechauns, you'd think me insane. Prove to me your god, and I shall prove to you the existence of the almighty Leprechauns.
@Exmech2 Insha'Allah I wil prove 2uThe God :) 2Start wth v shud knw wht Is God/Allah? Do v agree God is sme1 who MakesNoMistakes? V hve Allah's word (Quran) whch hs no mstakes watsoevr &ppl way mre intelligent thn u (scientists, Medicl exprts, Astrnauts, Geolgst etc) hve been tryin2find n error in Quran but they either failed&stopped tryin &/or failed&accepted Islam. It hs mre thn 1000Verses relatd2Science&None of thm hve been proven wrong, in fact Science recently sd thingsQuranSaid1400YrsBck
@Exmech2 Answer continues... Quran has no errors, science is saying things now whch Quran said 1400 years back, means something fr someone with a sane mind. U hve a choice2make continue finidng errors or watch d debate between Dr Zakir Naik and William Campbell 2save ur time becz in that debate Dr Zakir Naik is answerin all d assumed errors. Unless u r paid to do what u do in here u got to be insane not to accept d truth :) after watching the debate I suggested. :) May Allah open your heart :)
@Exmech2 -Answer continues...The God-Allah proves His Might by mentioning Himself in all d scriptures (Torah, Bible, Hinduism, Buddhism etc) The God-Allah proves His Might by mentionin His Last&Final Prophet Muhammed (pbuh) BY NAME in all d scriptures, The God-Allah proves His Might by fulfilling His promise tht He wil nt let d final scripture get modified or changed, by Himself preserving it. Besides all D othr Miracles of Quran it shud b enough tht He Kept His Word unchanged4ovr1400Years :)
@usmangani71 If your supposed god can affect the real world then it is measurable, quantifiable. Good luck with measuring it.
Plato's Republic has remained unchanged for more than 2,300 years. Beating your god out by 700 years. Is Plato god? Does having a book qualify for godhood? Delusion at best, insanity at worst.
@Exmech2 I told you that you need to improve on your skills (Reading and Comprehending as well ) :) Having a book is not a qualification... Having a book that is error free is a qualification :) ... You very well know what I am talking about, don't you? And thats the reason you are trying to push in the next topic before the current topic is resolved, just like bro 'TryingToBeGoodMuslim' pointed out tht u insert a new topic to divert frm d current one :) May Allah guide U
@usmangani71 Plato wasn't error free? But still, As yet I've pointed out two errors. Your grasp of the language is not enough to argue the first, ergo we shall concentrate on the second. Is your god "all forgiving" or not? Your book says both. Contradiction? Certainly seems like it. Your response????
39:153 Say: O My slaves who have been prodigal to their own hurt! Despair not of the mercy of Allah, Who forgiveth all sins. Lo! He is the Forgiving, the Merciful.
So, even if you fall away from islam and become "prodigal" he will forgive. Except:
4:137 Those who believe, then disbelieve and then (again) believe, then disbelieve, and then increase in disbelief, Allah will never pardon them.
@Exmech2 Earlier u gave d verse of Quran 35:001 n i gave u d response to it whch u did nt acknowldge tht ur understanding was at fault :) Anyways...I hope u wud hencefrth read translation of Yusuf Ali & learn to comprehend it in correct way.
39:53 (not 153) is sayin 'My Servants' :) whch means they believe in Allah and seek no partner wth Him. So they can expect Mercy from Allah.
@usmangani71 "& learn to comprehend it in correct way" Translated: "Lose all critical thinking skills, credibility, and learn to become a deluded drone like me".
No thank you. You saying there is no contradiction goes against the laws of logic. Saying there are things he will not forgive after saying there is nothing that will not be forgiven is a contradiction whether you admit it or not.
@Exmech2 Can you give me a verse in Quran where you find (your own definition that God can do everything?)
God has power over everything but as per Islamic belief God can not do everything because he can not lie, he can not be evil he can not be a man he can not be unjust... there are so many things He can not do, the moment He does these things he ceases to be God. SO, correct your definition and y ou will not be able to find any contradiction in Quran.
PICKTHAL: Praise be to Allah, the Creator of the heavens and the earth, Who appointeth the angels messengers having wings two, three and four. He multiplieth in creation what He will. Lo! Allah is Able to do all things.
You'll find that Pickthal and Yusufali say essentially the same thing.
@Exmech2 - Did you actually check Yusuf Ali's translation or are you blindly saying that Yusuf Ali translates it as "Allah is Able to do all things" ...? Yusuf Ali translates it as "....He adds to Creation as He pleases: for Allah has power over all things." (Ch-35 Soorat Al-Fatir Verse # 1)
I hope you don't need to be explained the difference between "Allah is Able to do All things" ...and.... "Allah has power over all things." :)
May Allah (swt) bless you and guide u to d rght path :)
@usmangani71 So... you're saying your "god" cannot do everything? Then why call it god?
On a side note, there were three only slightly different translations. The terms "able to do all things", and "power over all things" are operatively the same.
@Exmech2 A suggestion n a free advice to u.. work on ur ability to comprehend in the correct manner :) I am sure you have an English teacher around who can tell you the difference between "Able to do all things" and "Power over all things"
Yes I am saying My God can not do everything because he is a Genuine God & I did give you several examples He can not lie, He can not be evil etc.. The moment God does all these He ceases to be God :) AND... becz He can not do all this He is d REAL God.
@usmangani71 You explain the supposed "grand difference". Why would Pickthals' translation be accepted if it were so off the mark, eh? Yet your book says your god has power over ALL things. ALL things obviously includes itself. So Allah has power over Allah just like every other entity. It can be "evil" if it wants. And it can lie. Just like its' adherents.
@Exmech2 You may continue with your self created statements and assumptions and meanings :) LOL It was funny to read "ALL things obviously includes itself"
Talk to yourself henceforth ..I thought it would be an intellectual discussion :)
@Exmech2 To correct you again my friend :) We don't believe that God can do everything and anything, Allah in Quran says "Allah has power over all thing" ...its your misinformation and self created statement that God can do anything... I repeat God can not do a lot of things :) He can not lie, He can not be evil, He can not be unjust, He can not be a Human :) So, Ur trick is nt going to work, you say certain self created statement and relate something from Quran and then ask for explanations
@usmangani71 Evil is a relative term. Proclaiming that no muslim should trust a non-muslim is xenophobic and cultish. In other words... evil. So yes, your god can be evil.
@Exmech2 No Muslim should trust a disbeliever is a correct belief becz if he doesnt believe in his Creator and can disbelieve His Creator, his Sustainer...(in other words betray his Creator) how can such a person be trusted? To any sane mind it is not Xenophobic and to any sane mind it will make sense :)
Hence, if it is not Xenophobic there is no chance of it being an evil act :)
Your problem is that u think u can really comprehend stuff :)
Xenophobic: : one unduly fearful of what is foreign and especially of people of foreign origin.
yes, it is xenophobic. Your problem is that you have allowed your cult to remove all of your critical thinking abilities. You've become a drone, a robot. Sad. Reality is far sweeter then giving your life to a delusion.
@Exmech2 dude I think you're missing the pooint of that surah. It's not saying that Allah can't have children without a consort, it is an indirect rhetorical question towards certain people at that time that claimed that Jesus is the literal, biological Son of God. He asked them how can a God be unique and have another just like Him ( a son, or a wife, or both )? Not like he can't do it, it's just," what's the point?" If he does that, it'll be just like polytheism.
Look how manys sects there are in christianty islam and judaism.. And these are just the 3 abrahamic religions
The media mixes up a whole heap of truth and lies and im not just talking about the subject of religion
The economic systems of the world improve as does technology. But the morality of mankind declines. People have the answer to all their questions at their fingertip but do they use it?
No!.. because they "can't be bothered".. Disagree?
everybody views their time to be the most confusing/terrible/warring etc, etc, time of history!!
and one of the simplest ways to judge that religion is basically wrong is what you have just described: there are so many viewpoints, how can they all be right when they have so many have (apparently) such discrepancies?
...morality is subjective and dependant upon the view of the subject...
..and people do have a lot of answers at their fingertips that they choose to ignore...like the lack of evidence for the existence of god...!
the quo'ran itself says that jesus did not die on the cross, yes? ...yet the bible has the death of christ on the cross as its prime foundation....how can they both be right?!?! ..becuase propganda rules...then as today...
and as for 'cant be bothered'...i see salman rushdie is still alive years after the fatwah was proscribed...
Here are Golden Rules for your research: 1. First pray "O ALLAH! show me that you exist." 2. Understanding yourself, ask yourself "Why I don't believe in ALLAH?", "Who created this Universe? and Why?", "Why I'm here?", "Is there life after death?", "Is There A Heaven? A Hell?" ... 3. Now ask yourself "Who can answer these questions?" 4. Use reliable Sources of Information. Ask Muslims about Islam and Christian about Christianity.
1. so in order to do research...you have to ask allah to show you he exists..? which is the one thing he hasnt done for over 1400years...hmmm...
2. and if i want to know what napoleon thought of jews, i have to first ask 'why i dont believe in allah'...? hmmm...
3. what do your questions 1 and 2 have to do research..?
4. but arent christians biased towards christianity and muslims biased towards islam? ..surely you need to be unbiased to get a true picture of the world?
these are the strongest answers you have ever seen?
REALLY?!?!
well, considering how often muslims question their own religion (i.e. they dont..), then yes, i can believe that...
a few centuries ago we, in europe, had something called the renaissance...it was kind of like an enlightening across the continent of knowledge and learning...and since that time the belief in a sky-bully has since declined...
let me think: increase of intelligence, decrease in religion..hmmmm..connected???
Oh i think you'll find.. increase in confusion, decrease in religion
Eistien turned away from god because he thought humans were intellgent enough to live without G, but the more he studied the universe the more he turned back to G and before he died he beleived again
General physics makes the world look simple and gives the possibilty of an "accidental" beginning to the world.. But add qautum physics to the eqaution and the world becomes far more complicated than we ever imagined.. Accident?
but surely science, research and logic help dispel this confusion? ...confusion comes from uncertainty, uncertainty comes with lack of knowledge....if you have 'faith' then by definition you dont know...you just believe....
...and i AM accountable for my actions...hence i dont believe in god..if god knows everything then i cannot have free will because god already knows what is going to happen (..and what i am going to decide...) and i am powerless to prevent it...so if you belive in free will then you cannot have an all-knowing god....its called 'logic'...you may wanna try it some time...
...AND STILL WAITING FOR GOLDEN RULES OF RESEARCH....!
You see, I don't have to answer this rebuttal because you have said:
[i AM accountable for my actions...hence i dont believe in god]
Misguiding the guide!
This is what I have told you before you are posting some questions that yourself don't believe in -but WHY? I think "You are escaping from the real issues (holes) in your beliefs by discuss other ppl beliefs.
Be honest with yourself "at less" and let's discuss what do you really believe in.
so you dont have to answer because i dont believe in something?!?! i AM able to discuss other peoples beliefs because i have the ability to be objective about them...to deal with them without bias and look at all the available evidence and make a decision based upon it...whereas you just ignore any points that you dont like and use hearsay from an old book to 'validate' your responses...
and what does "Be honest with yourself 'at less' and let's discuss what do you really believe in." mean..?
if god knows everything then that means there is a plan that is already set...which means while you THINK you have free will, you dont really, because the plan is set and god already knows what choices you have made BEFORE you have made them....
...and you do not blame god for your mistakes because you do not understand logic and casue and effect (oh, and you are scared to...)....
please try and keep up with general intelligence before commenting on things that you dont understand....
if, as you say, god influences our decisions..then we have no free will..we are merely puppets who are blind to the strings that are being pulled...
agnostics dont blame god as they dont know if he exists..thats what agnostic means: without knowledge...please try and keep up!
and considering christian scholars have been arguing over the predestination vs free will dilemma for almost 2000 years and STILL havent got it sorted...do you honestly think you understand it?!?!
So humans must be puppets to everybody according to your defintion of free will...
If a stranger walked up to me in a dark alley and tried to get me to try some of his drugs whispering in my ear "have some they make your life soooo much better" he is INFLUENCING my decisions... but does that mean the person who makes the choice to take the drugs has no will over his own actions if he takes the drug?
...but the drug dealer is not omnipotent or omniscient..
all of your life and choices are affected by others to one degree or another...everything is connected.
and drugs CAN make your life better..they can also make it worse...
that person my have an experimental nature that tempts him to try drugs...he may be easily swayed and have a lack of self esteem...both of these (and many more) traits are influenced by various chemicals in the brain...so it COULD BE SAID that you have no free will..
if i make a choice that means that i have thought about the choice before the event.....i have to have some kind of plan to put into action...
if god knows everything then, by definition, he knows my plan before i have made it..ergo he knows my CHOICE before i have made it...therefore, as god made the universe, he already knows ALL THE MANY PERMUTATIONS OF CHANCE that exist...simply by starting the universe he knows the great plan..hence no free will...
One who believes that it is impossible to know whether there is a God.
One who is skeptical about the existence of God but does not profess true atheism.
One who is doubtful or noncommittal about something.
An agnostic is therefore someone who isn't sure about the existance of god but doesn't rule out the possibilty.. not "without knowledge" as i think you'll find a lot of agnostics know a lot more than people who calim to beleive in god.
Agnosticism (Greek: α- a-, without + γνώσις gnōsis, knowledge.
err...the statement 'without knowledge' does not mean a lack of knowledge about things in general...it means that they are honest enough to state they do not know whether god exists or not...
i presume you KNOW that god exists? how? have you had a conversation with him? have you had him round for tea? have you been to play tennis with him? the answer to all these is a simple NO.
>>> because of your upbringing: do you HONESTLY think thatif you were raised as a christian in a christian environment, gong to a christian church, with a christian society around you, that you would be a muslim?!?!
when you bring up a child within a certain environment and restrict that enviroment (socially, politically, spiritually) and, most importantly, threaten non-conformity with ostricization from all they have ever known...conformity tends to follow...
its quite amazing how you people work...you have no sense of learning anymore, no sense of logic or science, no sense of honour, no sense of humour...
all you have tried to do during this discourse is spew various quotes learnt from an insidious book that should have been left behind centuries ago...
non of the answers you have provided have answered any of my questions...you have ignored points that YOU have raised and i have shown that are incorrect....
Its amazing how "an insidious book" (The Holy Qur'an) can answer most of your questions. Indeed, this is proof, that the Qur'an, which was revealed to the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh), is not outdated and it's one of the fundamental sources of Islamic teachings.
[you are like a child.] in fast learning and accepting the truth. What about you?
yep...the quo'ran can answer most of my questions...if, that is, they are about the abuse of women and general physical abuse...yep, LOTS of info in the quo'ran about that...
and a child learns 'the truth' by what their parents tell them...its called 'trust'. however, as an adult, you have a responsibilty to ask questions about yourself and the world around you.
Okay why don't YOU answer the questions! maybe your knowledge about Islam is better than mine.
Are you out of your mind, If you ask any Muslim about his beliefs from where he should Answer you? from your books of course he should back to the source of Islam which is "Qur'an". Deal with it
and dont you think that 'pbuh' is a bit disrespectful? i mean, its a contraction of 'peace be upon him'..so are you contracting the respect because you cant be bothered to write it...?
i posted mulitple points which you have not answered fully...you have accused me of being unlearned ('i will tell you the golden rules of research'...when? i have asked SEVERAL times!!)...you threaten me with removal from the board after 'spamming'...which you have done multiple times since!!
y'know...you probably ARE a good muslim: you never ask questions of your own faith because you have been told NOT TO ASK questions for so long.
answer what questions?!?!? you havent asked any that i havent answered with logic and honesty...whereas you keep throwing quotations around from the qou'ran which, as we have already found out, is inconsistent and anachronistic!
Let's talk about your unorganized comments and questions? In fact most of them are not questions they are mix of your faith (1 & 2) and other out of subject(4 & 9). In addition to that '13 Just noticed..' and number '14' without source reference..
[your answer not answer my questions]
You are not waiting for my answers cuz you already took you decide e.g. [..you tell me who invented something which, most probably, doesnt exist.] 'doesnt exist'
hah! and you tell ME that i am spamming!! quit changing the subject!!
if you had not taken SO VERY LONG to answer my points and, as usual, provided no real answers other than 'quotes' from a book that, apparently, cannot be translated...of course they are unorganized...NOW!!!
its funny how we can read hieroglyphs (approx 5000 years old), aramaic (2500 years old) and sumerian (6000 years old)...but cannot translate a 1400year old book that about 1billion people read everyday!!!
and here we are approx 6weeks after i posted my list of 20 points and tryingtobegoodmuslim hasnt been able to follow thru ith a satisfactory argument for any of them...well, at he is consistent...
...by the way...a muslim friend of mine is setting up a meeting with a 'learned friend' of his so we can discuss theology...he needs to get someone else because he is unable to forward his argument/theory because i keep pointing out flaws in it...does that sound familiar to you...?
...while you are looking for someone else to be responsible for your life...!!
and i am obviously looking for answers...which you are unwilling (..or unable...?) to provide...
and i am STILL waiting for your so-called 'golden rules of research'....
is this the muslim way of discussing you religion? you just try and make it that the other person gets sooo very bored with waiting for a sensible topic/viewpoint that they eventually go away?!?!?
12. but satan can lie...and if he was trying to make a book that sounds like it was written by god, why WOULDNT he put something like that in if it furthers his aims? ...deception and misdirection??? if satan is 'insignificant', then why doesnt god get rid of him? again i refer you back to rex mundi of the cathars...and wouldnt all this mean that if god created everything then he also created satan? why? free will? element of chaos?
...and still waiting for the golden rules of research...
There are several verses in the Quran which will give enough evidence that satan is not the author of the Quran.
In Surah Al Aaraf chapter 7 verse 200
"If a suggestion from Satan assail your (mind),seek refuge with Allah; for He hears and knows(all things).
Can you tell me, why would satan tell his followers, that whenever he gives any suggestions to them, they should seek refuge in Allah (swt) to whom he is an avowed enemy?
10.we are here so god exists? nope.thats not an argument OR proof, just circular (and faulty) reasoning...try again. as for rational people admitting that the universe exists...nope, try again...(and try reading descartes or kirkegaard sometime)...so u still havent answered my point...and as or how i think the universe began, yep, probably big bang...we are back to pesky evidence again...
oh, and i tried to follow the link but couldnt get to it..went onto islamonline tho...it was nice...
..and here we go with a poorly disguised attempt to discuss the laws of physics....tell me, which angle do you want go on? socratic? deterministic? existential? mathematical? logical? probabilistic? basically put:
If 'x' is a sufficient cause of 'y', then the presence of 'x' necessarily implies the presence of 'y'. However, another cause 'z' may alternatively cause 'y'. Thus the presence of 'y' does not imply the presence of 'x'.
straight from wikipedia...ahh...you gotta love it!
do you honestly think that if you were brought up in a christian household, going to a christian church each day...basically living your life now but as a christian instead of a muslim...that you would still be a muslim...?
do you anything about personality conditioning? or is that something else you dont ask questions about?
8. so the guy in the vid is incorrect then? either big bang happened (and koran predicted it) or it didnt happen (as guy in this vid says)...which kinda brings me to: who (or what) created god?
9. i CAN discuss the alleged attributes of god without believing in him...i have done a LOT of research...remember the fairies? do you know anything about theology in general? ...or just theology of islam?
'it contradict with definition of creator'...okaaayyy...but for something to exist, something needs to exist in order to create it...look man, if you dont know, then just say so...its much easier on everyone!
err...tom wouldnt give birth as tom is a boys name...unless of course 'tom' was short name for 'thomasina' or means something different where you are...
i read a series of books years ago called 'the duncton tales'...basically imagine watership down with moles and religion and you have pretty much got it...
in the books there were 2 major religions: 'the stone' and 'the word'..and they were differentiated by what you know intrinsically in your heart and what a book says....now, the point i am making is that the stone ('silence') is very natural and peaceful...while the book ('word')is very contradictory, authoritarian and sometimes violent...
tell me...have you noticed how much more knowlege about lots of things i have than you?
and have you noticed how much more i laugh?
why do you think that is?
oh, and i was also wondering why you were so hostile and threatening about my 'spam' and removing me when you were quite happy to have 'purgingfalsehood' spewing his vile, racist bigotry...?
[..i have faith in mankind..] My Q to You how you can prove your Faith. Unless I have clear idea about your faith the dialogue is not going to be fruitful.
i have no proof of my faith. simple. i have no evidence for it and it can be easily refuted. and i can be honest and objective about it....its just something i believe and it doesnt hurt anyone. still no satisfactory answers about my points...and i dont mind you spamming...lol!
[2. human inteligence unlimited..] Are you suggesting there is a relationshiop btw Human Brian Complexities and Intelligence? If your answer "Yes there is" then can you tell me
What's the relationship btwn Human brain Complexities and Human inteligence?
[3. dont know who created Earth..] We know who created Earth, but you don't. The still vaild Who created Earth?
[..Heaven no evidence for over 10,000yrs] Are you looking for physical evidence?
[..he was quite a religious scholar with a good knowledge of Judaism and Christianity.]
Almighty Allah says: (And thou (O Muhammad) wast not a reader of any scripture before it, nor didst thou write it with thy right hand, for then might those have doubted, who follow falsehood.)
hmmmm...funny then how i have read that he was a successful businessman...would be unusual if he couldnt read....
also strange how the qu'ran encourages learning and seeking knowledge..which are MUCH easier if you can read...also strange then that islamic countries have some of the highest percentages of illiterate people..? maybe THEY are trying to be more like m'hed. eh?
and as i have mentioned previously, how come the printing press was banned is islamic countries for so many years?
i BELIEVE that m'hed existed because we have several thousands of accounts from various different people of various different faiths saying that he existed....i am questioning your qu'ranic proscribed tenet that he couldnt read or write....
....'hardcore questions about my faith'...I am not a christian/jew/muslim/buddhist or atheist...I WANT TO BELIEVE!! its just that people like you cannot answer simple theological questions ABOUT YOUR OWN RELIGION!!!
...and if m'hed put such a strong emphasis on learning, why would he for all of his life insist to not learn himself? first of all: not learn to read and write; second:to use reading to learn more? Is he disobedient to his own god? ...or just himself?
typical christian..they always pick a phrase in the book and make it a stepping stone to prove they are right..they always ignore the other phrases that answer for the other phrases..even in their own bible.they can't even point a statement that Jesus (PBUH) claim divinity or worship him,but they still wanna pick a phrase that actually shown nothing of Jesus claim divinity.but no christian even follow what had Jesus said in John 16:12-14..We Muslim follow Jesus more then Christian 'emself
penyumerah02 1 year ago
WHATEVER FOR YA'LL HATERZZZ!!! ISLAM IS SPREADING AT YOU, SO TELL ME WHAT YOU GONNA DO? KEEP ON TALKING THE NONSENSE, BUT THE SPIRIT OF ISLAM IS SNIPPING INTO UR NERVE. IT IS NOT HATRED THAT WAS INSIDE U..U SEE, IT IS SOME KIND OF JELOUSY. SO TELL ME NOW, BAD BOY BAD BOY, WHAT U GONNA DO, WHAT U GONNA DO, ISLAM IS CLOSE TO YOU, OWH..BAD BOY BAD BOY! (MAN, I CAN RAP TOO, I CANT BELIEVE IT, LOL)
penyumerah02 1 year ago
@penyumerah02 bro, hang relax skit pasai ni.......cool down the emphasizing the topic...btw, that kinda catchy:D
izzylife93 5 months ago
mohammad should have stuck to talking about camel dung, after that he gets out of his depth
yatter1 1 year ago
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TheSoulboi 1 year ago
why would someone even bother putting this guy up
110Haqq 2 years ago
this guy is a joke lol
fireamracing 2 years ago
your face is a joke
Lilithyx 2 years ago
this guy is amazing a christian convert i see
rajarizwan 2 years ago 2
And the fact this guy takes that as evidence shows a lack of ability to comprehend the comparisons he just made.
And believes this unfounded claim just as an illiterate Arab man did around 1350 years ago. That is not something I'd want to say on a podium addressing an audience...
Lobotaru 2 years ago
U did not understand what the guy meant..that is different :)...Muhammad was illitarate but was wise and of a good mind and soul. he just couldn't read or write :)..and suddenly at 40 years he became able to...after the revelation..you don't think he knew how to read and write and kept it a secret amooung his people to suddenly amaze them with verses they were not able to replicate or defy..it even took their greatests poets and bards with daze and cofusion that they named it "magical words"..
mzkaddah 2 years ago
"If there is camel dung on the ground, a camel was here."
Yup
"If there is a (human) footprint in the sand, a human was here"
Fair enough, yes.
But the existence of planets or the universe itself is NOT evidence of a God.
You know from observation that camels produce dung, so when you see it you can assume a camel was there. You also know from observation that we leave footprints in the sand.
However, because no one has ever witnessed a deity creating a universe, the comparison fails.
Lobotaru 2 years ago
man you can't convince me that the earth and all the systems working together in perfect harmony..to protect us and stain life on earth is Just a mere chance,,,,some chaios came into prefect order..how come? explain? have u ever seen that before...cahos come to order, even primitive order withot an external influence..no ozone layer we are toast by UV no magnitic field we are toast by solar radiations..no water,atmosphere, appropriate temp we are screwed..
mzkaddah 2 years ago 5
@mzkaddah I guess it is a case not of the environment adapted to us but us being adapted to the environment
TheGamanic 7 months ago
It's no use falling to their level my friend, be patient as you reply to them.
rwpla 2 years ago
thank u shiekh khalid
gutale100 2 years ago
Good job........
mrssyidriss 2 years ago
mashalaah is good man alik moslem aim moslem
xaaliyo09 2 years ago 2
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If Allah is so powerful, why did he give so little
Intelligence this man?
ac44na45va46 2 years ago
read "The 100 most influential persons in history"
ALGfunk 2 years ago 13
He gave him more intelligence then you ever will have.
NoMercyForTheWeak 2 years ago 3
what is his stupidity,can you tell me?
shooter6895 2 years ago 2
why do you think he is not intellegent...many people converted becuase they listen to that man....why do you thing you are smarter than him OR smarter than them...narcasis? greatness madness? what?
mzkaddah 2 years ago
@mzkaddah
Because the things he is saying are not intelligent.
He puts forth two easily proven experiential facts (one about camel dung and another about footprints) and then makes an erroneous comparison of those facts with the existence of the universe as proof of God's existence.
All of his claims are based on unproven assumptions. And then he says morality cannot exist without a belief in God, which is easily proven otherwise. His arguments lack credibility.
Lobotaru 2 years ago
@ac44na45va46 If Allah is so Powerfull and Omniscient, why did THEY let you post a so stupid comment ? Because THEY will deeply mislead unbielievers like you in their sins and their stupidity.
Manzeron 2 years ago
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moshalhat 2 years ago
SUBHANALLAH
SAJEDMUNIR 2 years ago
I always wonder about those who are trying to define the moral absoloutes in a constantly changing (dare I say EVOLVING) world. We must as men constantly observe the history of our civilizations, our codes and ethics, and integrate new technologies to further our potentials.
Boognish64 2 years ago
Quite right -- given a glimpse into our rear view of history, we have to question how effective religion really is, particularly since religion has had much, much more time than science to sell itself. Religion did not give us conveniences such as modern plumbing, aquifers, mass transit, penicillin, or the Internet. All the while, more and more people are turning away from religion.
mrbhave 2 years ago
Was his argument against evolution "because it's works too good?"
Boognish64 2 years ago
One need not go to peace TV to challenge zakir or others like him. My challenge to Zakir (and all of you muslims) is that if he is a doctor he knows what is hypnotism and let him get hypnotised and I will prove from your own mouths that you all had previous births - all are reborn- you cross check the details.-and therefore afterlife, hellfire, judgement day , heaven with virgins are all false. see Ramachandra Guruji proving it in youtube. A muslim schoolboy talks of his previous birth.
uddathunni 2 years ago
tryingtobe:
1)i have read english translations of the quo'ran..and just like the bible, it is full of contradictions and misogyny...2)you are placing supernatural elements into physiclan study..what has worshipping allah got to do with science?!?! ...why do i need to worship a god when all ineed to is conduct an experiment??? 3) so...if you want to learn about religion, go to anyone...but if you want to learn about islam...go to an 'unbiased' muslim?!?! lol!!!
lothos2008 3 years ago
1. [the quo'ran..and just like the bible, it is full of contradictions and misogyny]
GREAT, can you share with us what you have read from the Qur'an "which Verse or Surah?" and where did you found the contradictions?
TryingToBeGoodMuslim 3 years ago
Surah 3:52-When Jesus found Unbelief on their part He said: "Who will be My helpers to (the work of) Allah?" Said the disciples: "We are Allah's helpers: We believe in Allah, and do thou bear witness that we are Muslims.
6:163-163: Say: "Truly, my prayer and my service of sacrifice, my life and my death, are (all) for Allah, the Cherisher of the Worlds:
No partner hath He: this am I commanded, and I am the first of those who bow to His will.
So... is mohammed or jesus the firstmuslim?
Exmech2 3 years ago
there is no contradiction here
muslim purely means someone who submits their will to the will of God. meaning all the prophets were muslims
as for the second verse you said that contradicts this is simply just saying to muhammad (saw) that he is to be the first muslim among his people- because they were all idolaters
simple as that - no contradictions- you have to read them in context
peace
strive234 2 years ago
Jesus lived quite some time before mohammed. So... if Jesus was a muslim... then mohammed certainly wasn't the first muslim. Therefore... contradiction.
Exmech2 2 years ago
ok let me explain this again seeing as your having much difficulty
read in context
the muhammad verse is refering to muhammad being the first person to be a muslim amongst his people i.e the makkans- if you read it says "say: truly...." showing that God is telling him to say this to the makkans
the jesus verse is saying that they are muslims in the context that they submit their will to the will of God's (literal meaning of muslim)
so there have been muslims from the beggining of time.
peace
strive234 2 years ago
islam isn't a new religon it's a re established abrahamic religon that has rid or interpretations, translations, and man made verses. This is the word of ALLAH continue looking for a contradiction for this book has no flaw for it is made by the divine power. Your bible is partly divine and rest mankind has entered it's print.
saifulisfree 2 years ago
Look all your life if you find one contradiction that cannot be justified or proven wrong i will convert to any religon you want. how's that sounds? but if i find contradiction in christianty how about you convert? ...are you willing? i know i am for the word of allah is by my side, my creator, your creator, the worlds sustainer ya karemu ya satar ya mujeru ya jabar
saifulisfree 2 years ago
7:54
Lo! your Lord is Allah Who created the heavens and the earth in six Days, ...
2:117
The Originator of the heavens and the earth!
When He decreeth a thing, He saith unto it only: "Be!" And it is.
And yet the universe is billions of years old. So, did Allah take 6 days? Or was it instantaneous?
Exmech2 2 years ago
Days is an english word.
Arabic word for day has many meanings - including, period.
7:54
Lo! your Lord is Allah Who created the heavens and the earth in six periods.
If you are not a christian, perhaps you are an athiest ?
ROGERDOGER786 2 years ago
I find it funny that Yusufali, Pickthal AND Shakir disagree with your translation. Since you cannot hope to compare your credentials with theirs, I think I'll accept their translation.
But again... you fail to reconcile that in one verse, Allah can do anything immediately, and in the next... it takes him some time. Thus... a contradiction.
Exmech2 2 years ago
And another thing... you actually think I'm a christian? LMAO!!!
Both christians, and mohammed cult are delusional!!!
Exmech2 2 years ago
An answer is coming .. but what are you than? Athiest?
ROGERDOGER786 2 years ago
ppl ask questions for many reasons. Atheists ask questions to confusion believers and As soon as you answer them they will throw another question.
Just to keep you way from their faith or no-faith which is unique every Atheist has different beliefs. They have few common goals and one of them is to confusion religious ppl.
Unfortunately, it's not win-loss game it's either Heaven or Hell so Be careful which option you pick.
TryingToBeGoodMuslim 2 years ago
I'm quite happy to pick reality, thank you.
The challenge was "Find a contradiction in the quran". I did so. I find it interesting that conspicuous contradiction is merely brushed aside by the "believers".
The quran contains contradictions, thus... it isn't perfect. And if not perfect, obviously wasn't written by a "perfect" being, of which there STILL is no evidence of 6,000 years after it's inception by Akhenaton.
Exmech2 2 years ago
Even if I prove there is no contradictions in the Qur'an; you will still be an atheist. Anyhow
To shortcut the discussion "the Quran, has challenged all mankind with all their literary geniuses and scientists, from the first day of its revelation to the Last Day, to produce a like of it or even a single chapter of it."
To prove The Qur'an is not from ALLAH simple produce a single chapter of it.
TryingToBeGoodMuslim 2 years ago
To prove "Henry V" is not from Shakespear, simple produce a single chapter of it.
This makes no sense. Nor does your statement.
I have already shown a contradiction. In one statement, the quran states that allah can do anything, immediately. In another, it states it took allah 6 days to do something. This, is a contradiction. This certainly proves the quran has contradictions.
And no... it has not challenged "all of mankind". Finding a contradiction was easy. Would you like another?
Exmech2 2 years ago
[In one statement, the quran states that allah can do anything, immediately. In another, it states it took allah 6 days to do something.]
Where is the contradiction!
ALLAH decided to create the heavens and the earth in six days. e.g. I can travel to any near city by a Car or bus. However, I traveled by a Bus.
TryingToBeGoodMuslim 2 years ago
Frankly, I expected that answer. God decided to allow a contridiction in its book.
But... you can't answer "he wanted it that way" to this one:
6:101 " The Originator of the heavens and the earth! How can He have a child, when there is for Him no consort, when He created all things and is Aware of all things? "
So... a god that can do anything, but can't have children without a consort. yet creates everything else from nothing. Hmmm... seems to me yet another contradiction!
Exmech2 2 years ago
Let's focus and not jump from one topic to another.
Correct your statement: (God decided to create the heavens and earth in six days and he can created them immediately.)
Where is no contradiction and it's very clear.
Don't argue and insist to misunderstand the Qur'an.
TryingToBeGoodMuslim 2 years ago
Correct my statement?? It's not my statement.
Sura 7:54-Your Guardian-Lord is Allah, Who created the heavens and the earth in six days, and is firmly established on the throne
If you're going to try to correct Yusufali. Pickthal, or Shakir... you need to show your credentials. There's nothing to correct. This, is a contradiction. And you can't get around that.
Exmech2 2 years ago
Let me rephrase your question:
Why God created the heavens and the earth in six days with the ability to create them immediately
And the answer is Almighty does not have a limit, if anything was wanted, will be as he wanted at the time he wanted, and how he wanted.
TryingToBeGoodMuslim 2 years ago
@Exmech2 the heavens and the earth has not been created in six days but in six periods you , Ayoum can be days or periods but scientifictly its not possible that the heavens and earth were created in six days so its six periods
nodo2505 1 year ago
@nodo2505 also.....i DAY in heaven is not equal to a DAY on earth
patpongparty 1 year ago
@TryingToBeGoodMuslim Salaam wR Allah wB! Brother, these guys know the truth but they are paid to write what they write :) People who know the truth but are paid to say and write these things will never tell you that they know these facts and that they know the Truth, they will keep coming up with things one after the other in the same way you noticed, :) They are here to throw questions without wanting an answer :) They will jump to next Q ..
usmangani71 1 year ago
@usmangani71 You're saying I know the truth, but am PAID to write what I write? This is not the first time I've seen a muslim lie. Won't be the last either.
Sorry, but your quran state that "shooting stars" are thrown by allah to strike down djinn. We know what shooting stars are now. Meteorites. No "god" has anything to do with them, and they do not strike down djinn. An error in the quran perhaps?
Exmech2 1 year ago
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Dunya2akhira 1 year ago
@Dunya2akhira I see, you say he "WON'T" do something, but of course he CAN do it. But then, who are you to say what this "god" will or will not do, eh? On a side note, the world got along quite well without Islam. There is no such thing as truth by popularity. Merely because "millions" prove themselves ignorant, and wishing to delve into delusion does not prove that delusion to be "truth".
Exmech2 1 year ago
@Exmech2 its like you have no understanding, the momnet God does such acts he's not god, the title would not represent the meaning.
Islam (Submission) is same religion given to Adam (AS) and all the Prophets (AS). Quran is the final message from God given to mankind. try to be humble in your approach and submit to your creator. Peace
Dunya2akhira 1 year ago
@Dunya2akhira If I told you to submit to the will of the Leprechauns, you'd think me insane. Prove to me your god, and I shall prove to you the existence of the almighty Leprechauns.
Good luck with that.
Exmech2 1 year ago
@Exmech2 Insha'Allah I wil prove 2uThe God :) 2Start wth v shud knw wht Is God/Allah? Do v agree God is sme1 who MakesNoMistakes? V hve Allah's word (Quran) whch hs no mstakes watsoevr &ppl way mre intelligent thn u (scientists, Medicl exprts, Astrnauts, Geolgst etc) hve been tryin2find n error in Quran but they either failed&stopped tryin &/or failed&accepted Islam. It hs mre thn 1000Verses relatd2Science&None of thm hve been proven wrong, in fact Science recently sd thingsQuranSaid1400YrsBck
usmangani71 1 year ago
@Exmech2 Answer continues... Quran has no errors, science is saying things now whch Quran said 1400 years back, means something fr someone with a sane mind. U hve a choice2make continue finidng errors or watch d debate between Dr Zakir Naik and William Campbell 2save ur time becz in that debate Dr Zakir Naik is answerin all d assumed errors. Unless u r paid to do what u do in here u got to be insane not to accept d truth :) after watching the debate I suggested. :) May Allah open your heart :)
usmangani71 1 year ago
@Exmech2 -Answer continues...The God-Allah proves His Might by mentioning Himself in all d scriptures (Torah, Bible, Hinduism, Buddhism etc) The God-Allah proves His Might by mentionin His Last&Final Prophet Muhammed (pbuh) BY NAME in all d scriptures, The God-Allah proves His Might by fulfilling His promise tht He wil nt let d final scripture get modified or changed, by Himself preserving it. Besides all D othr Miracles of Quran it shud b enough tht He Kept His Word unchanged4ovr1400Years :)
usmangani71 1 year ago
@usmangani71 If your supposed god can affect the real world then it is measurable, quantifiable. Good luck with measuring it.
Plato's Republic has remained unchanged for more than 2,300 years. Beating your god out by 700 years. Is Plato god? Does having a book qualify for godhood? Delusion at best, insanity at worst.
Exmech2 1 year ago
@Exmech2 I told you that you need to improve on your skills (Reading and Comprehending as well ) :) Having a book is not a qualification... Having a book that is error free is a qualification :) ... You very well know what I am talking about, don't you? And thats the reason you are trying to push in the next topic before the current topic is resolved, just like bro 'TryingToBeGoodMuslim' pointed out tht u insert a new topic to divert frm d current one :) May Allah guide U
Take a walk bro :)
usmangani71 1 year ago
@usmangani71 Plato wasn't error free? But still, As yet I've pointed out two errors. Your grasp of the language is not enough to argue the first, ergo we shall concentrate on the second. Is your god "all forgiving" or not? Your book says both. Contradiction? Certainly seems like it. Your response????
Exmech2 1 year ago
@usmangani71 Error #1: "God Forgives all things":
39:153 Say: O My slaves who have been prodigal to their own hurt! Despair not of the mercy of Allah, Who forgiveth all sins. Lo! He is the Forgiving, the Merciful.
So, even if you fall away from islam and become "prodigal" he will forgive. Except:
4:137 Those who believe, then disbelieve and then (again) believe, then disbelieve, and then increase in disbelief, Allah will never pardon them.
Exmech2 1 year ago
@Exmech2 Earlier u gave d verse of Quran 35:001 n i gave u d response to it whch u did nt acknowldge tht ur understanding was at fault :) Anyways...I hope u wud hencefrth read translation of Yusuf Ali & learn to comprehend it in correct way.
39:53 (not 153) is sayin 'My Servants' :) whch means they believe in Allah and seek no partner wth Him. So they can expect Mercy from Allah.
4:137 is nt contradictin wth 39:53 :)
Wher do u see problem in that? :)
Get d barrier of urMind bro&thnStudyQuran
usmangani71 1 year ago
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@usmangani71 "& learn to comprehend it in correct way" Translated: "Lose all critical thinking skills, credibility, and learn to become a deluded drone like me".
No thank you. You saying there is no contradiction goes against the laws of logic. Saying there are things he will not forgive after saying there is nothing that will not be forgiven is a contradiction whether you admit it or not.
Exmech2 1 year ago
@Exmech2 Can you give me a verse in Quran where you find (your own definition that God can do everything?)
God has power over everything but as per Islamic belief God can not do everything because he can not lie, he can not be evil he can not be a man he can not be unjust... there are so many things He can not do, the moment He does these things he ceases to be God. SO, correct your definition and y ou will not be able to find any contradiction in Quran.
usmangani71 1 year ago
@usmangani71 @usmangani71
035.001
PICKTHAL: Praise be to Allah, the Creator of the heavens and the earth, Who appointeth the angels messengers having wings two, three and four. He multiplieth in creation what He will. Lo! Allah is Able to do all things.
You'll find that Pickthal and Yusufali say essentially the same thing.
Exmech2 1 year ago
@Exmech2 - Did you actually check Yusuf Ali's translation or are you blindly saying that Yusuf Ali translates it as "Allah is Able to do all things" ...? Yusuf Ali translates it as "....He adds to Creation as He pleases: for Allah has power over all things." (Ch-35 Soorat Al-Fatir Verse # 1)
I hope you don't need to be explained the difference between "Allah is Able to do All things" ...and.... "Allah has power over all things." :)
May Allah (swt) bless you and guide u to d rght path :)
usmangani71 1 year ago
@usmangani71 So... you're saying your "god" cannot do everything? Then why call it god?
On a side note, there were three only slightly different translations. The terms "able to do all things", and "power over all things" are operatively the same.
Exmech2 1 year ago
@Exmech2 A suggestion n a free advice to u.. work on ur ability to comprehend in the correct manner :) I am sure you have an English teacher around who can tell you the difference between "Able to do all things" and "Power over all things"
Yes I am saying My God can not do everything because he is a Genuine God & I did give you several examples He can not lie, He can not be evil etc.. The moment God does all these He ceases to be God :) AND... becz He can not do all this He is d REAL God.
usmangani71 1 year ago
@usmangani71 You explain the supposed "grand difference". Why would Pickthals' translation be accepted if it were so off the mark, eh? Yet your book says your god has power over ALL things. ALL things obviously includes itself. So Allah has power over Allah just like every other entity. It can be "evil" if it wants. And it can lie. Just like its' adherents.
Exmech2 1 year ago
@Exmech2 You may continue with your self created statements and assumptions and meanings :) LOL It was funny to read "ALL things obviously includes itself"
Talk to yourself henceforth ..I thought it would be an intellectual discussion :)
usmangani71 1 year ago
@usmangani71 Ah, a real Ad Hominem argument. How quaint.
Exmech2 1 year ago
@Exmech2 To correct you again my friend :) We don't believe that God can do everything and anything, Allah in Quran says "Allah has power over all thing" ...its your misinformation and self created statement that God can do anything... I repeat God can not do a lot of things :) He can not lie, He can not be evil, He can not be unjust, He can not be a Human :) So, Ur trick is nt going to work, you say certain self created statement and relate something from Quran and then ask for explanations
usmangani71 1 year ago
@usmangani71 Evil is a relative term. Proclaiming that no muslim should trust a non-muslim is xenophobic and cultish. In other words... evil. So yes, your god can be evil.
Exmech2 1 year ago
@Exmech2 No Muslim should trust a disbeliever is a correct belief becz if he doesnt believe in his Creator and can disbelieve His Creator, his Sustainer...(in other words betray his Creator) how can such a person be trusted? To any sane mind it is not Xenophobic and to any sane mind it will make sense :)
Hence, if it is not Xenophobic there is no chance of it being an evil act :)
Your problem is that u think u can really comprehend stuff :)
Go back to school kid :)
usmangani71 1 year ago
@usmangani71
Xenophobic: : one unduly fearful of what is foreign and especially of people of foreign origin.
yes, it is xenophobic. Your problem is that you have allowed your cult to remove all of your critical thinking abilities. You've become a drone, a robot. Sad. Reality is far sweeter then giving your life to a delusion.
Exmech2 1 year ago
@Exmech2 dude I think you're missing the pooint of that surah. It's not saying that Allah can't have children without a consort, it is an indirect rhetorical question towards certain people at that time that claimed that Jesus is the literal, biological Son of God. He asked them how can a God be unique and have another just like Him ( a son, or a wife, or both )? Not like he can't do it, it's just," what's the point?" If he does that, it'll be just like polytheism.
andysdead 1 year ago
i would also like to hear these 'contradictions- coz so far- none have been found'
strive234 2 years ago
This is the most confusiong time in history
Look how manys sects there are in christianty islam and judaism.. And these are just the 3 abrahamic religions
The media mixes up a whole heap of truth and lies and im not just talking about the subject of religion
The economic systems of the world improve as does technology. But the morality of mankind declines. People have the answer to all their questions at their fingertip but do they use it?
No!.. because they "can't be bothered".. Disagree?
01frosts 3 years ago
everybody views their time to be the most confusing/terrible/warring etc, etc, time of history!!
and one of the simplest ways to judge that religion is basically wrong is what you have just described: there are so many viewpoints, how can they all be right when they have so many have (apparently) such discrepancies?
...morality is subjective and dependant upon the view of the subject...
lothos2008 3 years ago
..and people do have a lot of answers at their fingertips that they choose to ignore...like the lack of evidence for the existence of god...!
the quo'ran itself says that jesus did not die on the cross, yes? ...yet the bible has the death of christ on the cross as its prime foundation....how can they both be right?!?! ..becuase propganda rules...then as today...
and as for 'cant be bothered'...i see salman rushdie is still alive years after the fatwah was proscribed...
lothos2008 3 years ago
...and i am still waiting for these alleged golden rules of research, tryingtobegoodmuslim...
i am starting to think that they dont exist and you just made up that particular comment as a jibe...?
lothos2008 3 years ago
TryingToBeGoodMuslim 3 years ago
1. so in order to do research...you have to ask allah to show you he exists..? which is the one thing he hasnt done for over 1400years...hmmm...
2. and if i want to know what napoleon thought of jews, i have to first ask 'why i dont believe in allah'...? hmmm...
3. what do your questions 1 and 2 have to do research..?
4. but arent christians biased towards christianity and muslims biased towards islam? ..surely you need to be unbiased to get a true picture of the world?
lothos2008 3 years ago
[1. ..he hasnt done for over 1400years]
Have you read his book? before jump to this conclusion! Aren't you interested to read his book & to know his message to you?
[3. what do your questions 1 and 2 have to do research..?] & 3.
Problem Analysis & expectation management.
[..unbiased to get a true picture of the world? ]
That's truth if you would like to compare btw religions you go for unbiased source.
However, if you would like to learn about Islam you have to go to Muslim scholars.
TryingToBeGoodMuslim 3 years ago
these are the strongest answers you have ever seen?
REALLY?!?!
well, considering how often muslims question their own religion (i.e. they dont..), then yes, i can believe that...
a few centuries ago we, in europe, had something called the renaissance...it was kind of like an enlightening across the continent of knowledge and learning...and since that time the belief in a sky-bully has since declined...
let me think: increase of intelligence, decrease in religion..hmmmm..connected???
lothos2008 3 years ago
Oh i think you'll find.. increase in confusion, decrease in religion
Eistien turned away from god because he thought humans were intellgent enough to live without G, but the more he studied the universe the more he turned back to G and before he died he beleived again
General physics makes the world look simple and gives the possibilty of an "accidental" beginning to the world.. But add qautum physics to the eqaution and the world becomes far more complicated than we ever imagined.. Accident?
01frosts 3 years ago
but surely science, research and logic help dispel this confusion? ...confusion comes from uncertainty, uncertainty comes with lack of knowledge....if you have 'faith' then by definition you dont know...you just believe....
lothos2008 3 years ago
Oh my goodness the strongest answers to question of non Muslims I ever seen in my life that why I am proud to be Muslim cz it gives
Answers Allah khuwakbar
gooooooogllll1234 3 years ago
...and i AM accountable for my actions...hence i dont believe in god..if god knows everything then i cannot have free will because god already knows what is going to happen (..and what i am going to decide...) and i am powerless to prevent it...so if you belive in free will then you cannot have an all-knowing god....its called 'logic'...you may wanna try it some time...
...AND STILL WAITING FOR GOLDEN RULES OF RESEARCH....!
lothos2008 3 years ago
You see, I don't have to answer this rebuttal because you have said:
[i AM accountable for my actions...hence i dont believe in god]
Misguiding the guide!
This is what I have told you before you are posting some questions that yourself don't believe in -but WHY? I think "You are escaping from the real issues (holes) in your beliefs by discuss other ppl beliefs.
Be honest with yourself "at less" and let's discuss what do you really believe in.
TryingToBeGoodMuslim 3 years ago
so you dont have to answer because i dont believe in something?!?! i AM able to discuss other peoples beliefs because i have the ability to be objective about them...to deal with them without bias and look at all the available evidence and make a decision based upon it...whereas you just ignore any points that you dont like and use hearsay from an old book to 'validate' your responses...
and what does "Be honest with yourself 'at less' and let's discuss what do you really believe in." mean..?
lothos2008 3 years ago
God is all knowing
But he has also allowed us to have our own free will
Maybe if you knew the difference between free will and all knowing you'd understand the concept of god
He doesn't control our actions however being "all knowing" he still know's what we are going to do
(Now before you answer.. please try thinking hard about what i just said)
How then does god being all knowing take away our free will?
Our freedom to make our own decisions?
Btw we do not blame god for our mistakes
Thankyou
01frosts 3 years ago
if god knows everything then that means there is a plan that is already set...which means while you THINK you have free will, you dont really, because the plan is set and god already knows what choices you have made BEFORE you have made them....
...and you do not blame god for your mistakes because you do not understand logic and casue and effect (oh, and you are scared to...)....
please try and keep up with general intelligence before commenting on things that you dont understand....
lothos2008 3 years ago
Your telling me that because god knows everything that means we don't have a free will.. and your talking about logic?
I think your getting confused between influence and fate
God influences our decisions but he doesn't make them for us
If your smart you will not blame god for the problems in the world.. agnostics blame god and thats why they turn away from religion
But they do not understand that god provides everything a human needs.. but GREED is the cause of our problems.. not god!
01frosts 3 years ago
if, as you say, god influences our decisions..then we have no free will..we are merely puppets who are blind to the strings that are being pulled...
agnostics dont blame god as they dont know if he exists..thats what agnostic means: without knowledge...please try and keep up!
and considering christian scholars have been arguing over the predestination vs free will dilemma for almost 2000 years and STILL havent got it sorted...do you honestly think you understand it?!?!
lothos2008 3 years ago
So humans must be puppets to everybody according to your defintion of free will...
If a stranger walked up to me in a dark alley and tried to get me to try some of his drugs whispering in my ear "have some they make your life soooo much better" he is INFLUENCING my decisions... but does that mean the person who makes the choice to take the drugs has no will over his own actions if he takes the drug?
NO OFCOURSE NOT! he made the CHOICE to do so..
The same concept applies to god
01frosts 3 years ago
...but the drug dealer is not omnipotent or omniscient..
all of your life and choices are affected by others to one degree or another...everything is connected.
and drugs CAN make your life better..they can also make it worse...
that person my have an experimental nature that tempts him to try drugs...he may be easily swayed and have a lack of self esteem...both of these (and many more) traits are influenced by various chemicals in the brain...so it COULD BE SAID that you have no free will..
lothos2008 3 years ago
...and let me show you logic:
if i make a choice that means that i have thought about the choice before the event.....i have to have some kind of plan to put into action...
if god knows everything then, by definition, he knows my plan before i have made it..ergo he knows my CHOICE before i have made it...therefore, as god made the universe, he already knows ALL THE MANY PERMUTATIONS OF CHANCE that exist...simply by starting the universe he knows the great plan..hence no free will...
lothos2008 3 years ago
By the way the definition of an agnostic is:
One who believes that it is impossible to know whether there is a God.
One who is skeptical about the existence of God but does not profess true atheism.
One who is doubtful or noncommittal about something.
An agnostic is therefore someone who isn't sure about the existance of god but doesn't rule out the possibilty.. not "without knowledge" as i think you'll find a lot of agnostics know a lot more than people who calim to beleive in god.
01frosts 3 years ago
Agnosticism (Greek: α- a-, without + γνώσις gnōsis, knowledge.
err...the statement 'without knowledge' does not mean a lack of knowledge about things in general...it means that they are honest enough to state they do not know whether god exists or not...
i presume you KNOW that god exists? how? have you had a conversation with him? have you had him round for tea? have you been to play tennis with him? the answer to all these is a simple NO.
you FEEL there is a god...and why...? >>>
lothos2008 3 years ago
>>> because of your upbringing: do you HONESTLY think thatif you were raised as a christian in a christian environment, gong to a christian church, with a christian society around you, that you would be a muslim?!?!
when you bring up a child within a certain environment and restrict that enviroment (socially, politically, spiritually) and, most importantly, threaten non-conformity with ostricization from all they have ever known...conformity tends to follow...
check out the mormons...
lothos2008 3 years ago
wise luqman son did you know brothers and sisters that prophet luqman is a black man (luqman in the quran)
badnogood 3 years ago
...of course...being a good muslim doesnt autmatically mean you are a good person....
lothos2008 3 years ago
its quite amazing how you people work...you have no sense of learning anymore, no sense of logic or science, no sense of honour, no sense of humour...
all you have tried to do during this discourse is spew various quotes learnt from an insidious book that should have been left behind centuries ago...
non of the answers you have provided have answered any of my questions...you have ignored points that YOU have raised and i have shown that are incorrect....
you are like a child.
lothos2008 3 years ago
[quotes learnt from an insidious book].
Allah AKBAR, thankfully, you have admitted it.
Its amazing how "an insidious book" (The Holy Qur'an) can answer most of your questions. Indeed, this is proof, that the Qur'an, which was revealed to the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh), is not outdated and it's one of the fundamental sources of Islamic teachings.
[you are like a child.] in fast learning and accepting the truth. What about you?
TryingToBeGoodMuslim 3 years ago
yep...the quo'ran can answer most of my questions...if, that is, they are about the abuse of women and general physical abuse...yep, LOTS of info in the quo'ran about that...
and a child learns 'the truth' by what their parents tell them...its called 'trust'. however, as an adult, you have a responsibilty to ask questions about yourself and the world around you.
lothos2008 3 years ago
[the quo'ran...] Are you directing my Answer!!!
Okay why don't YOU answer the questions! maybe your knowledge about Islam is better than mine.
Are you out of your mind, If you ask any Muslim about his beliefs from where he should Answer you? from your books of course he should back to the source of Islam which is "Qur'an". Deal with it
And you told me about Logic
TryingToBeGoodMuslim 3 years ago
and dont you think that 'pbuh' is a bit disrespectful? i mean, its a contraction of 'peace be upon him'..so are you contracting the respect because you cant be bothered to write it...?
lothos2008 3 years ago
You are again changing the subject...
TryingToBeGoodMuslim 3 years ago
?
i am changing the subject from what?
i posted mulitple points which you have not answered fully...you have accused me of being unlearned ('i will tell you the golden rules of research'...when? i have asked SEVERAL times!!)...you threaten me with removal from the board after 'spamming'...which you have done multiple times since!!
y'know...you probably ARE a good muslim: you never ask questions of your own faith because you have been told NOT TO ASK questions for so long.
lothos2008 3 years ago
answer what questions?!?!? you havent asked any that i havent answered with logic and honesty...whereas you keep throwing quotations around from the qou'ran which, as we have already found out, is inconsistent and anachronistic!
lothos2008 3 years ago
Let's talk about your unorganized comments and questions? In fact most of them are not questions they are mix of your faith (1 & 2) and other out of subject(4 & 9). In addition to that '13 Just noticed..' and number '14' without source reference..
[your answer not answer my questions]
You are not waiting for my answers cuz you already took you decide e.g. [..you tell me who invented something which, most probably, doesnt exist.] 'doesnt exist'
TryingToBeGoodMuslim 3 years ago
Point 12 I quoted 3 verses from Qur'an as an proof that Qur'an is not from Satan.
Does Satan tell you "Before you read my book ask God to save you from me?" or 'Worship only one God 'Allah' and don't follow me!!'
How stupid do you think he is?
Now either you accept this answer or you provide your proof the Qur'an is from Satan.
TryingToBeGoodMuslim 3 years ago
hah! and you tell ME that i am spamming!! quit changing the subject!!
if you had not taken SO VERY LONG to answer my points and, as usual, provided no real answers other than 'quotes' from a book that, apparently, cannot be translated...of course they are unorganized...NOW!!!
its funny how we can read hieroglyphs (approx 5000 years old), aramaic (2500 years old) and sumerian (6000 years old)...but cannot translate a 1400year old book that about 1billion people read everyday!!!
lothos2008 3 years ago
Leave the translation hassle to us and
Answer my Question:
Does Satan tell you "Before you read my book ask God to save you from me?" or 'Worship only one God 'Allah' and don't follow me!!'
How stupid do you think he is?
Now either you accept this answer or you provide your proof the Qur'an is from Satan.
TryingToBeGoodMuslim 3 years ago
and here we are approx 6weeks after i posted my list of 20 points and tryingtobegoodmuslim hasnt been able to follow thru ith a satisfactory argument for any of them...well, at he is consistent...
lothos2008 3 years ago
Review my responses and answer my questions.
TryingToBeGoodMuslim 3 years ago
..and yet again you are spamming...
and STILL NO GOLDEN RULES OF RESEARCH!!!
lothos2008 3 years ago
...by the way...a muslim friend of mine is setting up a meeting with a 'learned friend' of his so we can discuss theology...he needs to get someone else because he is unable to forward his argument/theory because i keep pointing out flaws in it...does that sound familiar to you...?
lothos2008 3 years ago
[.a muslim friend of mine is setting up a meeting ...]
He's wasting his time.
[i keep pointing out flaws in it.]
ofcourse you do, because you are not looking for answers; you are looking for endless arguments.
TryingToBeGoodMuslim 3 years ago
...while you are looking for someone else to be responsible for your life...!!
and i am obviously looking for answers...which you are unwilling (..or unable...?) to provide...
and i am STILL waiting for your so-called 'golden rules of research'....
is this the muslim way of discussing you religion? you just try and make it that the other person gets sooo very bored with waiting for a sensible topic/viewpoint that they eventually go away?!?!?
lothos2008 3 years ago
[and i am obviously looking for answers]
Sorry, I haven't noted that because you were battling the battle.
Are you willing to accept Islam, if I answer your questions?
[unwilling (..or unable...?) to provide.]
Interesting, so my ability is limited!
[is this the muslim way of discussing you religion?.. sooo very bored..]
Well maybe this is the best way to make you response to my questions & comments.
TryingToBeGoodMuslim 3 years ago
12. but satan can lie...and if he was trying to make a book that sounds like it was written by god, why WOULDNT he put something like that in if it furthers his aims? ...deception and misdirection??? if satan is 'insignificant', then why doesnt god get rid of him? again i refer you back to rex mundi of the cathars...and wouldnt all this mean that if god created everything then he also created satan? why? free will? element of chaos?
...and still waiting for the golden rules of research...
lothos2008 3 years ago
There are several verses in the Quran which will give enough evidence that satan is not the author of the Quran.
In Surah Al Aaraf chapter 7 verse 200
"If a suggestion from Satan assail your (mind),seek refuge with Allah; for He hears and knows(all things).
Can you tell me, why would satan tell his followers, that whenever he gives any suggestions to them, they should seek refuge in Allah (swt) to whom he is an avowed enemy?
TryingToBeGoodMuslim 3 years ago
In Surah Baqarah, chapter 2 verse 168
"O ye people!
Eat of what is on earth, lawful and good;
and do not follow the footsteps of the Evil one, For he is to you an avowed enemy."
TryingToBeGoodMuslim 3 years ago
In Surah Yasin, chapter 36 verse 60
"Did I not enjoin on you,
O ye children of Adam,
that ye should not worship Satan;
for that he was to you an enemy avowed?"
TryingToBeGoodMuslim 3 years ago
10.we are here so god exists? nope.thats not an argument OR proof, just circular (and faulty) reasoning...try again. as for rational people admitting that the universe exists...nope, try again...(and try reading descartes or kirkegaard sometime)...so u still havent answered my point...and as or how i think the universe began, yep, probably big bang...we are back to pesky evidence again...
oh, and i tried to follow the link but couldnt get to it..went onto islamonline tho...it was nice...
lothos2008 3 years ago
Do you know what is cause effect law? and can you explain it with an example?
TryingToBeGoodMuslim 3 years ago
..and here we go with a poorly disguised attempt to discuss the laws of physics....tell me, which angle do you want go on? socratic? deterministic? existential? mathematical? logical? probabilistic? basically put:
If 'x' is a sufficient cause of 'y', then the presence of 'x' necessarily implies the presence of 'y'. However, another cause 'z' may alternatively cause 'y'. Thus the presence of 'y' does not imply the presence of 'x'.
straight from wikipedia...ahh...you gotta love it!
lothos2008 3 years ago
[.and here we go with a poorly disguised attempt to discuss the laws of physics.]
That is because you are blinded by the belief in non belief.
TryingToBeGoodMuslim 3 years ago
ha!
yet again you show your inability to understand basic details...i say yet again: i want to believe!!
but i am not going to believe in something that show inherent inconsistency while asking me to never ask any questions...EVER!!!
lothos2008 3 years ago
[i am not going to believe in something that show inherent inconsistency]
I agree with you.
TryingToBeGoodMuslim 3 years ago
duhhhh...well why are you a muslim then?
do you honestly think that if you were brought up in a christian household, going to a christian church each day...basically living your life now but as a christian instead of a muslim...that you would still be a muslim...?
do you anything about personality conditioning? or is that something else you dont ask questions about?
lothos2008 3 years ago
about time!!
ok, here we go...
8. so the guy in the vid is incorrect then? either big bang happened (and koran predicted it) or it didnt happen (as guy in this vid says)...which kinda brings me to: who (or what) created god?
9. i CAN discuss the alleged attributes of god without believing in him...i have done a LOT of research...remember the fairies? do you know anything about theology in general? ...or just theology of islam?
lothos2008 3 years ago
[vid is incorrect then] Did I say that? No.
Khalid Yasin excluded the natural selection & the Big Bong as a "Creator" for this Universe.
Allah Created the Universe using the Big Bong.
TryingToBeGoodMuslim 3 years ago
[who (or what) created god?] Wrong Question.
It contradict with the definition of Creator.
TryingToBeGoodMuslim 3 years ago
'it contradict with definition of creator'...okaaayyy...but for something to exist, something needs to exist in order to create it...look man, if you dont know, then just say so...its much easier on everyone!
lothos2008 3 years ago
Can you answer this question:
Tom gives birth to a baby, is it a boy or a girl?
TryingToBeGoodMuslim 3 years ago
err...tom wouldnt give birth as tom is a boys name...unless of course 'tom' was short name for 'thomasina' or means something different where you are...
lothos2008 3 years ago
i read a series of books years ago called 'the duncton tales'...basically imagine watership down with moles and religion and you have pretty much got it...
in the books there were 2 major religions: 'the stone' and 'the word'..and they were differentiated by what you know intrinsically in your heart and what a book says....now, the point i am making is that the stone ('silence') is very natural and peaceful...while the book ('word')is very contradictory, authoritarian and sometimes violent...
lothos2008 3 years ago
tell me...have you noticed how much more knowlege about lots of things i have than you?
and have you noticed how much more i laugh?
why do you think that is?
oh, and i was also wondering why you were so hostile and threatening about my 'spam' and removing me when you were quite happy to have 'purgingfalsehood' spewing his vile, racist bigotry...?
just wondering...no need to answer...
lothos2008 3 years ago
I haven't noticed that sorry. Posting more messages don't mean you have more knowledge.
[...more knowledge..i have]Is this all about?
YOUR Knowledge..
And YOU Haven't ANSWER my questions, You just posted more BLA BLA BLA. No evidence
Prove your FAITH and show me what you have.
TryingToBeGoodMuslim 3 years ago
i agree..posting more messages doesnt prove knowledge...having more knowledge about various things proves i have more knowledge.
this is still your vid...i have evidence to proove everything i claim, or can point you in the direction to find it (which you wont of course...).
and as i have said: i have faith in mankind..which you obviously lack because you cannot accept that you are responsible for your own life.
lothos2008 3 years ago
no repsonse for a while....have you given up?!?!
lothos2008 3 years ago
[..i have faith in mankind..] My Q to You how you can prove your Faith. Unless I have clear idea about your faith the dialogue is not going to be fruitful.
TryingToBeGoodMuslim 3 years ago
i have no proof of my faith. simple. i have no evidence for it and it can be easily refuted. and i can be honest and objective about it....its just something i believe and it doesnt hurt anyone. still no satisfactory answers about my points...and i dont mind you spamming...lol!
lothos2008 3 years ago
lothon2008,
[2. human inteligence unlimited..] Are you suggesting there is a relationshiop btw Human Brian Complexities and Intelligence? If your answer "Yes there is" then can you tell me
What's the relationship btwn Human brain Complexities and Human inteligence?
[3. dont know who created Earth..] We know who created Earth, but you don't. The still vaild Who created Earth?
[..Heaven no evidence for over 10,000yrs] Are you looking for physical evidence?
TryingToBeGoodMuslim 3 years ago
[5. Was muhammed illiterate?] Yes he was.
[..he was quite a religious scholar with a good knowledge of Judaism and Christianity.]
Almighty Allah says: (And thou (O Muhammad) wast not a reader of any scripture before it, nor didst thou write it with thy right hand, for then might those have doubted, who follow falsehood.)
TryingToBeGoodMuslim 3 years ago
hmmmm...funny then how i have read that he was a successful businessman...would be unusual if he couldnt read....
also strange how the qu'ran encourages learning and seeking knowledge..which are MUCH easier if you can read...also strange then that islamic countries have some of the highest percentages of illiterate people..? maybe THEY are trying to be more like m'hed. eh?
and as i have mentioned previously, how come the printing press was banned is islamic countries for so many years?
lothos2008 3 years ago
If you don't believe in God, what's the point of discussing prophets of God? or you just want to escape from heardcore questions about your faith.
TryingToBeGoodMuslim 3 years ago
i can discuss something i dont believe, can't i?
i dont believe in fairies but i can discuss them.
i BELIEVE that m'hed existed because we have several thousands of accounts from various different people of various different faiths saying that he existed....i am questioning your qu'ranic proscribed tenet that he couldnt read or write....
lothos2008 3 years ago
....'hardcore questions about my faith'...I am not a christian/jew/muslim/buddhist or atheist...I WANT TO BELIEVE!! its just that people like you cannot answer simple theological questions ABOUT YOUR OWN RELIGION!!!
lothos2008 3 years ago
...and if m'hed put such a strong emphasis on learning, why would he for all of his life insist to not learn himself? first of all: not learn to read and write; second:to use reading to learn more? Is he disobedient to his own god? ...or just himself?
lothos2008 3 years ago
2. i never said it was 'unlimited'..if you are going to quote me please do so accurately.
the higher the number of synapses in the brain then the higher number of connections which is a very good