Turkey has to finally digest the fact that Cyprus is another country. Turkey has to renounce her desire to have the right to interfere in internal Cypriot affairs. Turkey has to understand that unless she ends her barbaric occupation of the northern part of Cyprus and unless she reverses her decades long policy of transporting Turkish settlers from the mountains of Turkey to Cyprus, she will remain a paraiah State and never join the EU and therefore the Kemalist Secular model will fail.
Nigel Farage, Ron Paul, Judge Napolitano are the men I listen to for a daily dose of sanity in an insane world, do you have any other names for me to investigate?
turks would give their right arm and their siter's left leg to join the EU...not for anything but being considered civilized.....you cant buy class!...and we wont let you in..no matter how much you beg.
@friendlyfitters We never beg and to be honest we even do not want to be a member of EU. Our concern is we hope one day EU will not beg Turkey to be a member.
@friendlyfitters so you accept some EU contries accept bribe? To be a member of EU is national Turkish policy run by government but even if it will not end positive for Turks it will still useful for Turkey. So this is win win policy for us. I personally don't to be a part of EU like millions in Turkey. The question which you should ask yourself your country UK will be in union in next 10 years?
My parents allways said that this was all Germany's fault, because back then the german economie wasnt that good so they asked from Turkey workers, Turkey was also not so well and needed money so for each person Germany gave Turkey 10 000Mark, can you imagine so what happened next all in Turkey it was announced ''who wants to go to Germany to work?'' so all the people from the country sides that didnt even see a city in Turkey ended up in the middle of Europe:) funny..
@Tralgit Do you know that Christianity is correct? The world around us reveals that G-d DOES exist, and the historical evidence reveals that Jesus Christ really did come to this earth and there is overwhelming evidence that Jesus Christ really did physically rise from the dead. Jesus is coming again and the signs of the end times that were foretold in the Bible are coming to pass.
When I hear..... " leaders following public opinion needs to be changed ..." I really start to worry as surely this is the process of democracy in action and if leaders cease to consider or follow what the people who put them in power are saying they just become a law unto themselves with no accountability or responsibility to those whose best interests they are supposed to be representing .
Don't lie to yourself. You and I both know that you would never leave the Netherlands to live in Turkey permenantley. Turkey is still a 3rd world country and will remain so for a very long time. The West is wealthu due to the freedom and ingenuity of the people, which allows for free thought and innovations. This you will never find in the islamic world, which is why they will always lag behind.
Turkey is well developed countries and is more western then most western countries.
It's a secular country and not Islamic or Christian like most countries on Earth.
Turkey has democrasy, because how else can you answer the fact that Turkey writes so many sciences and innovations on documents that exceeds the numbers of Europe?
Why is Germany and France afraid of Turkey being in EU?
Ask Germany and the anatollian peasants who failed to integrate in the society. Europeans do not want Turkey because of three things:
Size, Religion and GDP. Plus the AK party is making Turkey more Islamic and leaving Kemalism behind. Turkey should look eastwards to its neighbours. Why does Turkey and turkish people want to join the EU anyway?
@okayplayer82 You want to proof me something why dont you ask them here and let them discuss here?
Size is something very good for the muscles of the EU But Turkey will be biggest and will get most seat in EU. That's why it's a negative thing for Germany and France because they don't want EU but just the power and the money.
So in short.. all other EU countries are their puppets
Religion is secular in Turkey, also Why does religion intervene in this?Unless you are Sarkozy
@mustiej70 Thanks for sharing. What you wrote is a great example why muslims living in Europe are rightfully considered a disloyal 5th column which ought not to be trusted. If it's such a pain to live in Netherlands, why not move back to the "more european than Europe" (LOL!) hellhole of Turkey?
@mustiej70 dude you really should leave the netherlands and go back to turkey! If you hate it so much then buy a one way ticket. The natives may even have a whip round!
Turkey is no more a part of Europe than Brazil is - having the former capital of the Byzantine Empire as its own capital does not make all Turkey European. Are Brazil & Goa part of Europe because they used to be Portuguese colonies ? If so, the Americas & Australia count as part of Europe. So would China. What silliness.
@ZeberdeeZeeGerman none of that you smelly kraut. the british like the germans a lot more than the french, suprising as you tried to invade is in 1914, 1939 and now 2011 with your european empire. we will not surrender.
Finally I've worked it out, politicians are powerful people in the UK. But the want to become more powerful, they want to joint europe together into a large country. This will rival USA and compete with Russia and China. The differing opinion arises when the residents of UK want their towns and cities to remain as towns and cities they grew up in.
This really is a fight for democrasy, but the people, and democrasy will lose. Because the government recognise the importance of being powerful.
@coldheartless1990, not only that, the characters here, except Nigel Farage, are completey incapable of seeing the difference between economic prosperity and territorial expansion (i.e. imperialism). They soulnd like Napoleons, or rather small people with Napoleonic complexes.
This has happened many times in history. When rulers don't see the difference between economic prosperity and territorial expansion, territorial expansion wins.
Frederick II, Napoleon, Hitler, Russian Tsars and all other imperialists trample the rights of their own people, subject them to economic depravation, trample on others they just conquered, all to accumulate more territory. They consider it "glory." This is how they measure the greatness of their empires: physical size and number of nations conquered. Everything else becomes secondary and unimportant.
@Kurtlane Thanks for your replies, you seem to be right. The result of the summit is that David Cameron has recognised we don't want the fiscal government but hasn't yet called for a referendum...and I don't understand where that leaves us.
The imperial ambitions of the people you mention are a consequence of the European nation state alliance system which the EU has succesfully vanquished after centuries of war and failure.
Europe does not need to grow! What are they talking about?? Europe needs to consolidate its own members and make the necessary reforms first. Trying to enlarge the EU is like stretching your supply lines too thin, remember Napoleon and Hitler in Russia??? Europe for Europeans only!!
Only half of Istanbul, the former Constantinople is in Europe, the rest of the country which is separated from Europe by a river is in the Middle East. Europe doesn't want to share a boarder with Iraq, or be directly involved in the Turkish/Kurdish conflict. Plus the big elephant in the room: Un-ease about an exponentially growing Muslim minority in every single European country, they don't want to admit a Muslim country which will be one of the largest countries in Europe.... continued.
@hop208 I'm sorry if that sounds bigoted, but it's the truth. Maybe 30 years ago it would have been okay, but the current Turkish president who is very popular in Turkey is taking the country in a more religious direction. It didn't help when he went to Germany and told the large Turkish expat population there NOT to assimilate into German society. The longer Europe waits, the more likely Turkey will turn, economically and CULTURALLY towards the Middle East.
@hop208, do you think making Turkey the member of EU will turn it away from becoming a very nasty and powerful Middle Eastern dictatorship, essentially another Iran,
or would it in fact encourage it to do all that while improving its economy and subjugating the rest of Europe, doing all sorts of shenanigance possible as mnember of the EU while treating Europeans as enemies to be conquered. And conquering.
@Kurtlane Erdogan seems to be taking the country towards the Middle East. The secular mood of the population is slowly being replaced with a more religious one. Look at any video on Ataturk and you'll see tons of comments about how he betrayed Islam by making Turkey more European in nature. Turkey also threatened Israel with a full military incursion if they didn't let them break the blockade. I want the peace process between Israel and Palestine to be resolved QUICKLY, but Turkey isn't helping
@hop208, conflict between Israel and "Palestine" (actually, the Arab-Israeli conflict) is utterly irresolvable. People will colonize Pluto, and it will still be going on.
This is one of the main reasons why everyone is making such noise about what after all is a relative small conflict. Because resolving a conflict can give a diplomat his 15 minutes of fame, or even a bit more, but "resolving" an irresolvable conflict fives him job security for the rest of his life.
I completely agree with all you said about Turkey. In light of all that, wouldn't its inclusion into the European Union be like letting a fox into a chicken coup? Especially now, when Europe is already very Middle Eastern, and becoming more so every day.
@Kurtlane It would be. Which is why they want to join and finally complete the Ottoman conquest of Europe as they intended. Only this time, they have the support of the Left in Europe which is so inthralled with the thought of challenging America that they would sell the cultural soul of their own continent. I consider myself a Liberal, but this is getting ridiculous.
I have a lot of Turkish friends, well, Belgians with Turkish parents. Of course my friends are only a small sample, but I don't get the impression they or their family in Turkey are pretty fond of joining the EU lately and who could really blame them?
I have nothing but seething contempt for the political classes and of course ANYONE who is pro EU. I recommend people up on the subject you wouldn't believe the ridiculous laws we obey which number in their thousands. British businesses are being stifled because of this monsterous EU project. Our own unemployed are labelled 'lazy' whilst immigrants suck up 97% of our jobs!! It is a fucking disgrace!! The Berlin wall was torn down and so will the EU!!!
Great Turkish economy? What a raving lunacy!! Turks mass emigrated to Germany in 80s and 90s and tens of thousands of them are ILLEGALLY here in UK. They don't have legal, tax paying jobs, and let's guess how they make up money for living? Apart from money matters, when somebody will have balls to say about religious problems? We are living in Christianity based society, and bringing here more and more Muslims will just cause another Yugoslavia. That was a multi-cultural country as well.
You are aware that the Turkish economy felt almost no impact of the economic crisis, aren't you? Stop obsessing over ancient desert dogma's and look at the facts. Their production of consumer goods rose 7.2% in 2009-2010. It's rating has been overall gone up by 2 notches with most agencies. That's better than any European country did during the crisis.
@SSTTEEAALLTTHH All the more reason for the Turks to stay OUT of the EU; Turkey doesn't need to be dragged down by anti-business, Socialist bureaucrats in Brussels.
Religious problems are only there for people who make problems of it. Oh and some news for you, our entire society is build on a combination of classical and secular values. That's why our laws are based on the format and jurisdictional system of the Roman Empire, rather then stoning homosexuals. That's why we have democracies and republics rather than theocracies. Christianity was the worst thing to happen to West-Europe (Dark Ages) and it's good we left it behind us.
hmm.. Because they are not offical candidate , there is no turn back for Turkey's membership, May Morocco's historical roots in iberia (continent of europe) :-) but they are defines as internationally continental african , and israel..., they sent back by europeans to mideast that there is no place for jews in europe, it is not my opinion, i think germans and poles dont want to see them in europe again.
You can categorize the Turkey european, mideastern, asian, caucasusian, transcontinental even transatlantic :-) but you can not change history , treaties as you want,
Not you personally numb nuts. Your bloody country. And you (sorry, germany, you idiot...) do run Europe. If you decided to leave the E.U. It would crumble to the ground hours after. The E.U is a mess and a screwed up ideal that many millions of soliders fought against in the Napoleonic war, ww1, and ww2.
Every country is like that. They decide our futures, we have no say. And what are you complaining about anyway. You started ww2 so that you could rule Europe. It didnt work out that way...because freedom and liberty won out...Now jump forward 76 years to 2011, and you effectivley run Europe anyway. You got your way, it took 70+ years, but you got your way. So dont complain gerry...
i am from turkey, i guess the real problem is eu dont know either they want turkey or not. first they should decide it, and most of turkısh people dont want to be ın eu, but press always shows that we want... eu can be happy to look after all easrtern european countries, ... there are just 4-5 countries better then turkey in eu. SO BEFORE telling the bad sides of turkey, tell your politicians to cut the connection wıth turkey about eu.
You cant solve the present problems by looking to the past? Oh well for learning by mistakes. - You cant solve the problems in the present without looking at where you want to go? You can't get to where you want to go without solving the problems in the present... These politicians are idiots, apart from Nigel Farage ;)
You would love for the UK to have a refrendum on EU membership? Then give us a godamn referundum, then we can finally say goodbye to the EU. The only reason the Eu won't give out referundums for the public to vote on is because they know it will fail, such as referndums of membership to the EU, because they know if they did the EU would die.
@xUK91x Explain to me how the United Kingdom would survive on its own.....with no manufacturing base to speak of if we completely pulled out of the EU?
@MovieMad007 so you are happily content with laws imposed upon us by complete foreigners? A few of which are literally ex-communists who couldnt give a rats ass about the publics needs. And the UK has no manufactoring base? what a load of bull. I say re-join and regrow our relationships with the commonwealth. The UK has always depended on trade as an island nation, and exiting the EU wont effect it, and if it does, shame on the EU, as they will be again showing the bully they are.
@xUK91x I simply asked you how we would survive with no manufacturing base?? We do not have a big enough manufacturing base to survive on our own! I'm sorry but that is fact! And you have to realise that! This country (fact) is reliant on the Financial Services sector - which is ok if you are happy to squander away your Trade Deficit (balance of payments) but this becomes critical if you are removed from a trade agreement area (in our case the EU) and become self reliant.
So if YOU and UKIP are so scared of Foreign influence why is Nigel Farage licking the American Asses trying to gather support over there - if He wasn''t trying to influence "friends" over there and gather mates over there! God forbid if UKIP ever got in power Farage would increase trade with the US! The US has Empire Ambitions - it already does Macdonalds Empire - runs Iraq it runs Afghanistan and if we are not careful it will run our Police force!
@MovieMad007 he ovo likes other countries but he just doesnt want other countries dictating what our laws should be and how much money we should give to the eu
@ruthio1 ermm right - we don't seem to mind telling other Sovereign Nations and UN members like Iraq or Libya or Syria how to live and what they should do! When we invaded other Nations (India, Pakistan, countries in East Africa, Australia, Canada, N Zealand) to build the British Empire we didnt have any problems telling those Nations what to do! So now the boot is on the other foot.. suddenly we don't like being told what to do! A little bit of sour grapes or a bit two faced on our part?
we desperately need the trade (trade deficit second worst in the world after America) ...yet we are not willing to play by the rules and structures. The EU does work - its the stupid individuals MEP's - and the individual EU member states Governments who interpret the rules incorrectly. I have actually read one or two of them fully and studied it in depth at uni and our Government has in my opinion implemented it incorrectly.
@MovieMad007 well we did all that during the race for imperial empires every country tried it and to be fair we did bring those countries trial by jury parlimentry democracy and an economic system and it cant be that bad because these countries have stayed in the commonwealth but the days of empire are over i believe in the eu but we should have more control over immigration, court systems and economy
@xUK91x let me remind you the EU was formed as a trading body to trade competitively against the likes of the Americas, China, Asia, and the now Ex-Soviet Union. Russia has become a huge competative force which is a threat to the UK,ok! The Commonwealth (what Commonwealth???). Don't you think you are being a bit two headed here? On the one hand you are dead set against foreign EU rule on you but on the other hand you are quite willing to benefit from the Commonwealth -
ermmm how do you think the Commonwealth was formed? Yes by invasion!!!! The Commonwealth was not for the good of those other countries - it was for Britain! We killled people in India and Pakistan (look at the Kashmir war), I have lived in Kenya, East Africa - which used to be in the Commonwealth but is now Independent. Australia and New Zealand are in the Commonwealth .....but for how much longer becaause they joined ASEAN. And Australia does not like being ruled by a Monarch 12,000 miles away!
@MovieMad007 Its not being two headed at all, if anything i see the commonwealth as family countries. Why the EU is pushing more and more to a fully unified Europe. The ideal of a trading body was a sweet idea to begin with, little did they let on what there true agenda was and now we are seeing it bright as day in the 21st century. They want one country, the United Nations of Europe, similar to the USA. They even denied Irelands referendum when they said no and bullied them into doing it again.
These Pro ExpansionLiberals are starting to get on my nerves.They would include even the Bermuda triangle in the E.U if they could.(Including whatever Aliens happen to live there).
JUST LOOK AT THOSE NAMES...CHESHIT OSMAN..KIOPEK DAMADJAN..,KIORFISHEK BULETOLSUN..,OSMAN CHEPRAK..,SIKIM NINENIAMDJANU...,DOMUS GIOTENI...,AHMED KIOTEK..,AND IMAGINE THOSE ZOO-MONGOLIAN NAMES TO INVADE OUR COUNTRYES...AND WITH THE NAMES COMES THE FACES..DARK..NASTY..SHORT PEOPLE,NOT MORE THAN 1,60..SCREWING THEYR WIFES ONLY IN THE ASS..,THATS WHY THEY WARE THOSE PANTS,TO SHIT INSIDE AFTER..PATHETIC COUNTRY...
@eleonik76 There's a difference between constructive criticism and outright racism. You're like the Balkan Patriots I argue with over that despicable piece of propaganda 300.
A piss-poor Slovenian talking about prosperity and ambition. Get your own house in order first, I would suggest. And then his dictatorial talk about 'leadership', just disgusting.
Turkey has no place in the EU. It is not European and will never be. If the EU wanted Turkey in, they would have allowed them in years ago.
Turkey is not in Europe. We can rhyme off the human rights abuses and the terrorist threat on our door step and the continued disregard for the armenian genocide and the oppression of minorities and so on and so forth, but the simple fact that simply needs stated is that 98% of Turkey is in Asia. It is not a European country; culturally or geographically.
@Mehlwurm18 Of coarse he said that, he's from Turkey! A country where it's perfectly legal for a man to beat his wife and where police-man stand by and do nothing while her husband stabs her over 50 times (a real happening that you can see on youtube). It's a country that is completely uninterested in the opinion of half of it's population. Shouldn't be too hard for them to extend it to the other half too.
LOOK AT THIS JELKO KACIN!! ARE YOU FUCKN IDIOT YOU FUCKN SLOVENIAN PIECE OF SHIT??!! "THE LEADERS HAVE TO SAY WHAT PEOPLE SHOULD THINK AND DO" ARE YOU FUCKN FORGOT THAT ITS NOT 1980?? ITS 2011!! COME HERE TO TELL ME WHAT A HELL I SHOULD DO,YOU FUCKN FAGGOT!! I BET THAT YOU ARE A SHEMALE,AND YOU HAVE NO BALLS EVEN!! NIGEL IS THE MAN!! DARE TO FACE THE FACTS! DARE TO SAY THE TRUTH! AND YOU ARE FUCKN INSECT! FUCKN COCROACH! PIECE OF SHIT! SHAME FOR THE HUMAN RACE!
Where is the EU going? We the public are never asked, consulted or even informed about these events until this non-democratic cancer has decided. We the public are simply ignored and treated as imbeciles!
These people make me sick. I can only imagine how frustrated Nigel Farage must get with these ignorant power hungry idiots. I cannot believe they openly talk about ignoring and moulding public opinion! Hello, dictatorship!
Calm down Europeans. Turkey is not joining EU for at least another 10-15 years and by then Turkey will opt out itself. I am Turkish and there is a dimension of our candidacy about internal politics and that is why we look like eager to join. In fact majority of Turks already gave up the idea of joining and more will do so in the coming years. When the time comes, Turkey will agree for a privileged partnership with EU rather than membership, which is what we want as well.
Turkey is a big problem for our European overlords. The vast majority of Europeans is against an EU membership for Turkey. They want Turkey in, but for that have to drop the last pretense that EU is a democracy.
And I agree, Turkey woud've "earned" membership earlier than these countries, but now that they're inside, we have to battle the negative consequences and we CAN'T take more countries into EU at the moment. The economic stress is IMMENSE for us, more and more people are suffering from unemployment, poverty at later age etc.pp..
As a Euro-Turkish young, in here Turkey, appreciate many of european values. I mean these are for example , Human-centrism, rationalism, even to recycle wastes for environment or social rights.Of course We do all of them without Eu. But if eu reject accession of turkey , i will stay same but i am not sure about my society, day by day support to eu is falling , to hate uprising.
After all certainly , europe is loosing a allianz of , and gaining enemy.
Well, if Turkey would be seen as a modern country, it would be in the EU already but for some reason, there is ALWAYS some shit going on in Turkey which makes us (the "old" Europeans) shake our heads in disbelief, may it be an islamistic government, may it be murders of Christians in the streets of turkish cities.
@sooperfukker all year around, i have never heard evil murdering onto christians in here. And the recent government full elected by the people that is democracy. I mean until 2002 Turkey had always pro-secular governments.
There are many excuses...
If turkey wont part of the union, the nearest neigbour with all his might exert to defeat it ;-)
Then you don't know much about your own country; in early 2010, even a Christian Bishop (!), Luigi Padovese was murdered in Anatolia. Turkey has a long tradition of killing Christians, let's not forget about Andre Santoro, a catholic priest who has shot in 2006 by a man yelling "Allahu Akbar" while he was praying in his church.
Turkey DOES have a big problem with islamic influence & violence and it's well understandable that such a country cannot become European.
While we don't have anything against perfectly normal turkish people, we are VERY MUCH afraid of these hidden islamic hate mongers coming to other European countries and doing their dirty work there. It would be like importing Islamic terrorism on purpose.
And because the Turkish Islamic government tries to play the big man by claiming it would conquer Europe, the Europeans have all good reasons to refuse Turkey's membership. It's easy like 1+1 is 2.
@sooperfukker muslims who lives in europe, if you think they are kinda terrorist or enemy againist people, reason is european smugness and arrogance made transform them out society.
For Turkey-Eu relations it can not be reason. Turkey is a country and no directly connected on euro-muslims.
If you have problems with muslim minority in your country ,it is yourself's problem not Turkey's
Turks in the european countries are DIRECTLY accessed by the turkish ministry of religion. Wherever mosques are built here, whenever muslims try to engage in lawfare against the state or the people, they are SPONSORED by the turkish ministry of religion ! EVERYWHERE IN EUROPE !
The turkish ministry of religion, which has good connections to the saudi arab origin of islamism is a key element of bringing radical islam to europe, THROUGH TURKEY.
I always ask myself : How much do turkish people in Turkey actually KNOW about the global islamistic activities of their government ? Can you answer that question ?
@sooperfukker It is not ministry, its name is Presidency of religious affairs. It is founded after fall of Islam Caliphate by Kemal Atatürk who brought secularism to Turkey. That Presidency is assurance of the secular system of Turkey. It is general authority about religion yes. If Without it, all muslim congregation groups would comment the Quran as they want. And it is great opportunity for radicals that scares you.
@sooperfukker We Turks have more cautious problems than spreading islam over europe. I will respond your question again with examples. All kind of churchs such as orthodox-catholic- or armenian have freedom and they are really hard working to convert a muslim turk into christinaity in here, were you know?. or Churchs and even synagouges has same exemption with mosques. Electricity- municipal waters-gas
@sooperfukker if Eu disturbed about Turkey's turning face into EAST. Thats why is Eu. Turkey has worked with allies during cold war as a member of NATO. Joined to the Council of Europe in 1950s. But after all years what happened? Incomprehensible , All former Iron Curtain countries even Bulgaria are membered earlier than Turkey.
I am fully aware that turkish people care about LOTS of things and religion is probably NOT really on top of the list.
And true, it is INCOMPRENSABLE that countries like Bulgaria have joined EU. But let's be clear: It was NOT because european people wanted it to join, but because EU bueurocrats wanted to expand the borders of EU. The people in the EU were NEVER ASKED.
@adamakillikonus AND THAT IS COUSE YOUR NASTY MENTALITY..,NASTY DIRTY AND FANATIK CULTURE!! LACK OF HUMAN RIGHTS!!ANADOLIK COUNTRY WITH DARK AND UGLY FACES!! WE DONT CARE WHICH UNION YOU WILL JOIN MAN!! WE DONT LIKE TO SEE YOU IN OUR STREETS,WE DONT WANT TO HEAR YOUR LANGUAGE IN THE SUPERMARKET,WE DONT WANT TO SEE YOUR FACES,AND WE DONT WANT YOU IN OUR HOUSES!! EVEN YOU JOIN THE EU..,THAT WILL NOT CHANGE!! YOU WILL BE ALWAYS ASIAN-MONGOLIAN BUNCH OF UGLY FACES!!
@jfarinhote What is "European culture"? If Greece's culture is European, if Bulgaria's culture is European, if Bosnia's culture is European then Turkey's culture is European too.Europe hasn't got a common culture.Turkey is a Southeastern European country whether you like it or not, it's the truth.And there is another truth, you are a racist.
@PLQENQS4 Turkey is a Middle East Country, with a Middle East culture. Middle East is not Europe it never was it will never be. This has nothing to do with racism or be against Turkey. I respect the Turks and their History.
@jfarinhote Then many other Balkan countries are Middle Eastern too.Bosnia, Greece etc. We have similiar cultures.Republic of Turkey is an European country since it's found by Ataturk.
@PLQENQS4 By your standards then Israel, should be part of EU too. Turkey doesnt need to be part of the EU, what would be better for both is to strengthen commercial relations etc.
@jfarinhote Cyprus is not in Europe, it's completely in West Asia.I'm afraid you are bad at geography.Also I don't care it's population is Greek or not.And our population is Turkish, so? Just give up and accept that you are just a racist.
lol pause at 04.56, he does NOT like farage
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Turkey has to finally digest the fact that Cyprus is another country. Turkey has to renounce her desire to have the right to interfere in internal Cypriot affairs. Turkey has to understand that unless she ends her barbaric occupation of the northern part of Cyprus and unless she reverses her decades long policy of transporting Turkish settlers from the mountains of Turkey to Cyprus, she will remain a paraiah State and never join the EU and therefore the Kemalist Secular model will fail.
Super03061973 2 days ago
Nigel Farage, Ron Paul, Judge Napolitano are the men I listen to for a daily dose of sanity in an insane world, do you have any other names for me to investigate?
q1w2e3r467 1 week ago
@q1w2e3r467 yes J ventura n G Galloway, the Real News network Restore the Republic
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Bloody hell Michael Cashman is a deluded fool
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iluvmusicqwe 1 week ago
For stupid turks its not about economics..its about having class...being European.(channel,Givenchy,Armani,Georgio Armani)
Turkey= dried fruit
Class my ass!
Turks are a bunch of Islamites,with one of the worst human rights records.
friendlyfitters 1 week ago 2
turks would give their right arm and their siter's left leg to join the EU...not for anything but being considered civilized.....you cant buy class!...and we wont let you in..no matter how much you beg.
friendlyfitters 1 week ago
@friendlyfitters We never beg and to be honest we even do not want to be a member of EU. Our concern is we hope one day EU will not beg Turkey to be a member.
polyxenus 1 week ago
@polyxenus .....bullshit! typical turkish bullshit.
go and bullshit somewhere else...your goverment is spending millions and millions in giving bribes and such to become a member.
Yet again ,we wont let some islamite backward,criminal nation into the EU...EVER!
friendlyfitters 1 week ago
@friendlyfitters
You mean backwards like war criminal serbia or bulgaria or thieving romania or poland?
privee1 1 week ago
@friendlyfitters so you accept some EU contries accept bribe? To be a member of EU is national Turkish policy run by government but even if it will not end positive for Turks it will still useful for Turkey. So this is win win policy for us. I personally don't to be a part of EU like millions in Turkey. The question which you should ask yourself your country UK will be in union in next 10 years?
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There is also no place for any jewish/zionist nation in the EU!
mounir10t 3 weeks ago
Im Turk, I dont want that Turkey joins the EU because we dont need anybody, we're allies anyways so lets just leave it like that!
zoralcimbom 3 weeks ago
My parents allways said that this was all Germany's fault, because back then the german economie wasnt that good so they asked from Turkey workers, Turkey was also not so well and needed money so for each person Germany gave Turkey 10 000Mark, can you imagine so what happened next all in Turkey it was announced ''who wants to go to Germany to work?'' so all the people from the country sides that didnt even see a city in Turkey ended up in the middle of Europe:) funny..
zoralcimbom 3 weeks ago
Turkey's economy has trebled in size in the past decade outside the European Union while Greece is bankrupt three decades after joining.
Turkey does not need the European Union to progress. If anything the ongoing debt crisis may actually impede its progress.
suhailshafi 3 weeks ago
To be part of the EU you have to be IN Europe first...
yrhyngrwyd 1 month ago
@yrhyngrwyd you bastard, answer me, is cyprus in europe? if yes, why the north cyprus wasnt included in eu. if no, why is cyprus in eu?
osmanadamm 2 weeks ago
There is no place for any muslim nation in the EU!
Tralgit 1 month ago 3
@Tralgit Do you know that Christianity is correct? The world around us reveals that G-d DOES exist, and the historical evidence reveals that Jesus Christ really did come to this earth and there is overwhelming evidence that Jesus Christ really did physically rise from the dead. Jesus is coming again and the signs of the end times that were foretold in the Bible are coming to pass.
marionetemanJ 1 month ago
@marionetemanJ Pal, my religion is based on George Carlin. Look him up and enjoy.
Tralgit 1 month ago
I have become a very big fan of farage over the past few months, he is saying what everyone is thinking,,,
nickyjns 1 month ago
Farage is the man!!!
tommillard92 1 month ago
turkey shares our values, it helped us against communism and will help as against dhihadism as well.
n8junge 1 month ago
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mezza205 2 months ago
The EU needs to get some more poor nations into it because they have bleed the existing ones dry. The parasite needs a new host.
earthstick 2 months ago 2
When I hear..... " leaders following public opinion needs to be changed ..." I really start to worry as surely this is the process of democracy in action and if leaders cease to consider or follow what the people who put them in power are saying they just become a law unto themselves with no accountability or responsibility to those whose best interests they are supposed to be representing .
jeffhack09 2 months ago 2
@jeffhack09 it's been this way for a long time. read 'Public Opinion' by Walter Lippman, and search for Noam Chomsky's comments on it
DRL337PhD 2 months ago
Me as a proud Turk.
I don't want my country Turkey in the EU.
EU is in decline while Turkey is making growth records.
The EU is a joke... I live in The Netherlands and trust me.. you don't wanna live in this shit country.
So boring,every day is the same day, everyone has the same boring ass life, expensive,crisis,no jobs,weird fucking language,alot of old people.
EU need Turkey more then Turkey needs EU.
Also.. Turkey is historically and still more european then most European countries.
mustiej70 2 months ago
@mustiej70
lol, then why not move back to Turkey? No one is forcing you to stay in the netherlands.
Face it, no western european would like to move to Turkey.
okayplayer82 2 months ago
@okayplayer82 Ask my parents why they left my village in Turkey which became almost a freaking CITY!
We don't need and want europeans in Turkey..
These europeans think they are something because of the term western.. well fuck that word.
Europe is in decline... realize the facts.
mustiej70 2 months ago 2
@mustiej70
Don't lie to yourself. You and I both know that you would never leave the Netherlands to live in Turkey permenantley. Turkey is still a 3rd world country and will remain so for a very long time. The West is wealthu due to the freedom and ingenuity of the people, which allows for free thought and innovations. This you will never find in the islamic world, which is why they will always lag behind.
okayplayer82 2 months ago
@okayplayer82 @jeffhack09 Wow, what lies have you been taught.
Speak for yourself
Turkey is well developed countries and is more western then most western countries.
It's a secular country and not Islamic or Christian like most countries on Earth.
Turkey has democrasy, because how else can you answer the fact that Turkey writes so many sciences and innovations on documents that exceeds the numbers of Europe?
Why is Germany and France afraid of Turkey being in EU?
Power? Size? Military? Money?
mustiej70 2 months ago
@mustiej70
Ask Germany and the anatollian peasants who failed to integrate in the society. Europeans do not want Turkey because of three things:
Size, Religion and GDP. Plus the AK party is making Turkey more Islamic and leaving Kemalism behind. Turkey should look eastwards to its neighbours. Why does Turkey and turkish people want to join the EU anyway?
okayplayer82 2 months ago
@okayplayer82 You want to proof me something why dont you ask them here and let them discuss here?
Size is something very good for the muscles of the EU But Turkey will be biggest and will get most seat in EU. That's why it's a negative thing for Germany and France because they don't want EU but just the power and the money.
So in short.. all other EU countries are their puppets
Religion is secular in Turkey, also Why does religion intervene in this?Unless you are Sarkozy
GDP rises alot Eu not.
mustiej70 2 months ago
@mustiej70 Thanks for sharing. What you wrote is a great example why muslims living in Europe are rightfully considered a disloyal 5th column which ought not to be trusted. If it's such a pain to live in Netherlands, why not move back to the "more european than Europe" (LOL!) hellhole of Turkey?
LKHK76 2 months ago
@mustiej70 dude you really should leave the netherlands and go back to turkey! If you hate it so much then buy a one way ticket. The natives may even have a whip round!
rougebaron76 1 month ago
UKIP Nigel Farage is 100% right and the UK should leave EU. WAKE UP Mr. PM
sunny9kapoor 2 months ago 2
Turkey is no more a part of Europe than Brazil is - having the former capital of the Byzantine Empire as its own capital does not make all Turkey European. Are Brazil & Goa part of Europe because they used to be Portuguese colonies ? If so, the Americas & Australia count as part of Europe. So would China. What silliness.
5355vbxjbj76rvn 2 months ago 2
The EU want Turkey to join the club so they can use the large Turkish army to defend themselves from the Brits
ZeberdeeZeeGerman 2 months ago
@ZeberdeeZeeGerman none of that you smelly kraut. the british like the germans a lot more than the french, suprising as you tried to invade is in 1914, 1939 and now 2011 with your european empire. we will not surrender.
FadeToBlack888 2 months ago
@FadeToBlack888 I'm british not a kraut-ignore zee username-FUK EU and Turkey
ZeberdeeZeeGerman 2 months ago
Finally I've worked it out, politicians are powerful people in the UK. But the want to become more powerful, they want to joint europe together into a large country. This will rival USA and compete with Russia and China. The differing opinion arises when the residents of UK want their towns and cities to remain as towns and cities they grew up in.
This really is a fight for democrasy, but the people, and democrasy will lose. Because the government recognise the importance of being powerful.
coldheartless1990 3 months ago
@coldheartless1990, not only that, the characters here, except Nigel Farage, are completey incapable of seeing the difference between economic prosperity and territorial expansion (i.e. imperialism). They soulnd like Napoleons, or rather small people with Napoleonic complexes.
This has happened many times in history. When rulers don't see the difference between economic prosperity and territorial expansion, territorial expansion wins.
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Kurtlane 3 months ago
Frederick II, Napoleon, Hitler, Russian Tsars and all other imperialists trample the rights of their own people, subject them to economic depravation, trample on others they just conquered, all to accumulate more territory. They consider it "glory." This is how they measure the greatness of their empires: physical size and number of nations conquered. Everything else becomes secondary and unimportant.
I always hated imperialism. Every imperialism.
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Kurtlane 3 months ago
If there is any evidence needed that EU should be dismantled, the sooner the better - here it is.
Kurtlane 3 months ago
@Kurtlane Thanks for your replies, you seem to be right. The result of the summit is that David Cameron has recognised we don't want the fiscal government but hasn't yet called for a referendum...and I don't understand where that leaves us.
coldheartless1990 3 months ago
@Kurtlane
The imperial ambitions of the people you mention are a consequence of the European nation state alliance system which the EU has succesfully vanquished after centuries of war and failure.
youngian 1 month ago
@youngian, well, this video shows beyond any doubt that imperial ambitions are very much alive today.
Whether they were vanquished and have now been reborn, or whether they were never vanquished - who cares.
Kurtlane 1 month ago
@coldheartless1990 I really hope you a wrong! I think public opinion is changing fast!
rougebaron76 1 month ago
"Turkey is a representative of Europe's values"
Right. And so is the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia, the Islamic Republic of Iran and the Republic of the Sudan.
WIth the way Europe is islamizing, he might be right. Recently on Latma they only half-jokingly called France an Islamic country.
The way Turkey is changing into second (and second-rate) Iran, Kemal Ataturk must be spinning in his grave. But who cares about him.
Kurtlane 3 months ago
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I hate polish, I hate Romanian, I hate Turkish, I hate Italian, I hate Greeks. I don't want to shop around these people let alone work with them.
Immigration immigration what a fucking problem the EU state has caused in the UK. So fucking annoyed.
EU project is like a cancer.
chris77777777ify 3 months ago
I hate polish, I hate Romanian, I hate Turkish, I hate Italian, I hate Greeks. I don't want to shop around these people let alone work with them.
Immigration immigration what a fucking problem the EU state has caused in the UK. So fucking annoyed.
EU project is like a cancer.
chris77777777ify 3 months ago
@chris77777777ify You sound like a faggot. Hetero men like foreign women. Fags don't. You are faggot.
MrDrogosan 3 months ago
Europe does not need to grow! What are they talking about?? Europe needs to consolidate its own members and make the necessary reforms first. Trying to enlarge the EU is like stretching your supply lines too thin, remember Napoleon and Hitler in Russia??? Europe for Europeans only!!
ancestoralmemory 3 months ago
Only half of Istanbul, the former Constantinople is in Europe, the rest of the country which is separated from Europe by a river is in the Middle East. Europe doesn't want to share a boarder with Iraq, or be directly involved in the Turkish/Kurdish conflict. Plus the big elephant in the room: Un-ease about an exponentially growing Muslim minority in every single European country, they don't want to admit a Muslim country which will be one of the largest countries in Europe.... continued.
hop208 3 months ago
@hop208 I'm sorry if that sounds bigoted, but it's the truth. Maybe 30 years ago it would have been okay, but the current Turkish president who is very popular in Turkey is taking the country in a more religious direction. It didn't help when he went to Germany and told the large Turkish expat population there NOT to assimilate into German society. The longer Europe waits, the more likely Turkey will turn, economically and CULTURALLY towards the Middle East.
hop208 3 months ago
@hop208, do you think making Turkey the member of EU will turn it away from becoming a very nasty and powerful Middle Eastern dictatorship, essentially another Iran,
or would it in fact encourage it to do all that while improving its economy and subjugating the rest of Europe, doing all sorts of shenanigance possible as mnember of the EU while treating Europeans as enemies to be conquered. And conquering.
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Kurtlane 3 months ago
Who will turn who? EU would make Turkey European, or Turkey would make Europe Midde Eastern?
Kurtlane 3 months ago
@Kurtlane Erdogan seems to be taking the country towards the Middle East. The secular mood of the population is slowly being replaced with a more religious one. Look at any video on Ataturk and you'll see tons of comments about how he betrayed Islam by making Turkey more European in nature. Turkey also threatened Israel with a full military incursion if they didn't let them break the blockade. I want the peace process between Israel and Palestine to be resolved QUICKLY, but Turkey isn't helping
hop208 3 months ago
@hop208, conflict between Israel and "Palestine" (actually, the Arab-Israeli conflict) is utterly irresolvable. People will colonize Pluto, and it will still be going on.
This is one of the main reasons why everyone is making such noise about what after all is a relative small conflict. Because resolving a conflict can give a diplomat his 15 minutes of fame, or even a bit more, but "resolving" an irresolvable conflict fives him job security for the rest of his life.
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Kurtlane 3 months ago
I completely agree with all you said about Turkey. In light of all that, wouldn't its inclusion into the European Union be like letting a fox into a chicken coup? Especially now, when Europe is already very Middle Eastern, and becoming more so every day.
Kurtlane 3 months ago
@Kurtlane It would be. Which is why they want to join and finally complete the Ottoman conquest of Europe as they intended. Only this time, they have the support of the Left in Europe which is so inthralled with the thought of challenging America that they would sell the cultural soul of their own continent. I consider myself a Liberal, but this is getting ridiculous.
hop208 3 months ago
@hop208, yes, we agree.
It's amazing to me how many Europeans at high levels are anti-American. Americans are not anti-European, not at all.
Kurtlane 3 months ago
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hop208 3 months ago
I wonder what benefit slovenia gets for turkeys in europe??? That slovenia man should be made to live in turkey.
TheAnoDomini 3 months ago
3% of Turkey is in Europe and yet they might join the EU.. why not just let Iraq, Cameroon and Swaziland in.. ? FFS
millsathn 3 months ago 11
@millsathn Because they're not a part of the European continent? 0% of Cyprus is in Europe why were they allowed in the E.U?
Don't worry Turkey won't be joining Europe anyway, why would they want to join a failing broke E.U? So they can bail out Greece and Italy? lol
idontfkinknow1234 3 months ago
@millsathn The European Union is an empire. And empires need to keep expanding or they start to collapse.
mikesheen741 3 months ago
@millsathn
Well if war criminal Serbia, can, and shitty garbage Bulgaria, ,petty criminal Romania, and Poland can , yes they should!!
privee1 1 week ago
@millsathn Or Libya? Or how bout Russia? Or morrocco!
Spjungen 16 hours ago
I have a lot of Turkish friends, well, Belgians with Turkish parents. Of course my friends are only a small sample, but I don't get the impression they or their family in Turkey are pretty fond of joining the EU lately and who could really blame them?
I want out, ffs.
SSTTEEAALLTTHH 3 months ago
Cashman....what a fool
bartlemy 3 months ago
"The main problem is that our leaders are following public opinion"
Just wow.... This man would fucking hang from the gallows for saying something like that here.
Communist piece of shit.
Dorkus89Malorkus 3 months ago
Farage was spot-on he talks about the EU monetary system hitting the buffers before Christmas, how right he was!
Hammersmith80 4 months ago 4
I have nothing but seething contempt for the political classes and of course ANYONE who is pro EU. I recommend people up on the subject you wouldn't believe the ridiculous laws we obey which number in their thousands. British businesses are being stifled because of this monsterous EU project. Our own unemployed are labelled 'lazy' whilst immigrants suck up 97% of our jobs!! It is a fucking disgrace!! The Berlin wall was torn down and so will the EU!!!
Hammersmith80 4 months ago
Great Turkish economy? What a raving lunacy!! Turks mass emigrated to Germany in 80s and 90s and tens of thousands of them are ILLEGALLY here in UK. They don't have legal, tax paying jobs, and let's guess how they make up money for living? Apart from money matters, when somebody will have balls to say about religious problems? We are living in Christianity based society, and bringing here more and more Muslims will just cause another Yugoslavia. That was a multi-cultural country as well.
Bleyst666 4 months ago
@Bleyst666
You are aware that the Turkish economy felt almost no impact of the economic crisis, aren't you? Stop obsessing over ancient desert dogma's and look at the facts. Their production of consumer goods rose 7.2% in 2009-2010. It's rating has been overall gone up by 2 notches with most agencies. That's better than any European country did during the crisis.
SSTTEEAALLTTHH 3 months ago
@SSTTEEAALLTTHH All the more reason for the Turks to stay OUT of the EU; Turkey doesn't need to be dragged down by anti-business, Socialist bureaucrats in Brussels.
SatchmoSings 3 months ago 12
@Bleyst666
Religious problems are only there for people who make problems of it. Oh and some news for you, our entire society is build on a combination of classical and secular values. That's why our laws are based on the format and jurisdictional system of the Roman Empire, rather then stoning homosexuals. That's why we have democracies and republics rather than theocracies. Christianity was the worst thing to happen to West-Europe (Dark Ages) and it's good we left it behind us.
SSTTEEAALLTTHH 3 months ago
It is crazy that they wanted Turkey to be in the EU when they now admit Greece shouldn't have been in. Great so all Turks can move to England.
knightschwartz 4 months ago 2
It is not breaking news i mean Turkey's neighbours. It is too late reason for reject Turkey. ;-)
adamakillikonus 4 months ago
hmm.. Because they are not offical candidate , there is no turn back for Turkey's membership, May Morocco's historical roots in iberia (continent of europe) :-) but they are defines as internationally continental african , and israel..., they sent back by europeans to mideast that there is no place for jews in europe, it is not my opinion, i think germans and poles dont want to see them in europe again.
adamakillikonus 4 months ago
Turkey's full membership of eu is the certain right of Turkey.
adamakillikonus 4 months ago
@adamakillikonus no, we dont want you in EU, stick to playing with saudi-arabia and iran plz.
Ullbritt 1 day ago
You can categorize the Turkey european, mideastern, asian, caucasusian, transcontinental even transatlantic :-) but you can not change history , treaties as you want,
adamakillikonus 4 months ago
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baywatchrules12 6 months ago
@baywatchrules12 He said: "half have stayed" As in half of the one million Polish immigrants who came to work in the UK have stayed.
FreedomFighterUK 5 months ago
UKIP Nigel Farage VOTE
uatch 6 months ago 2
@yardsmoka
Not you personally numb nuts. Your bloody country. And you (sorry, germany, you idiot...) do run Europe. If you decided to leave the E.U. It would crumble to the ground hours after. The E.U is a mess and a screwed up ideal that many millions of soliders fought against in the Napoleonic war, ww1, and ww2.
MrDeano324 7 months ago
@yardsmoka
Every country is like that. They decide our futures, we have no say. And what are you complaining about anyway. You started ww2 so that you could rule Europe. It didnt work out that way...because freedom and liberty won out...Now jump forward 76 years to 2011, and you effectivley run Europe anyway. You got your way, it took 70+ years, but you got your way. So dont complain gerry...
MrDeano324 7 months ago
We in Denmark have allready got WAY to many turks here, and we dont want anymore of them.
gugagagagreprpr 7 months ago
Michael Cashman is scarey. What planet is he on? Ask the people!!!!!!!
qsuzie1 7 months ago
we need to get out of this lunatic asylum
bsport131 7 months ago
i am from turkey, i guess the real problem is eu dont know either they want turkey or not. first they should decide it, and most of turkısh people dont want to be ın eu, but press always shows that we want... eu can be happy to look after all easrtern european countries, ... there are just 4-5 countries better then turkey in eu. SO BEFORE telling the bad sides of turkey, tell your politicians to cut the connection wıth turkey about eu.
maneraserdog 7 months ago
You cant solve the present problems by looking to the past? Oh well for learning by mistakes. - You cant solve the problems in the present without looking at where you want to go? You can't get to where you want to go without solving the problems in the present... These politicians are idiots, apart from Nigel Farage ;)
xUK91x 8 months ago
You would love for the UK to have a refrendum on EU membership? Then give us a godamn referundum, then we can finally say goodbye to the EU. The only reason the Eu won't give out referundums for the public to vote on is because they know it will fail, such as referndums of membership to the EU, because they know if they did the EU would die.
xUK91x 8 months ago
@xUK91x Explain to me how the United Kingdom would survive on its own.....with no manufacturing base to speak of if we completely pulled out of the EU?
MovieMad007 7 months ago
@MovieMad007 so you are happily content with laws imposed upon us by complete foreigners? A few of which are literally ex-communists who couldnt give a rats ass about the publics needs. And the UK has no manufactoring base? what a load of bull. I say re-join and regrow our relationships with the commonwealth. The UK has always depended on trade as an island nation, and exiting the EU wont effect it, and if it does, shame on the EU, as they will be again showing the bully they are.
xUK91x 7 months ago
@xUK91x I simply asked you how we would survive with no manufacturing base?? We do not have a big enough manufacturing base to survive on our own! I'm sorry but that is fact! And you have to realise that! This country (fact) is reliant on the Financial Services sector - which is ok if you are happy to squander away your Trade Deficit (balance of payments) but this becomes critical if you are removed from a trade agreement area (in our case the EU) and become self reliant.
MovieMad007 7 months ago
So if YOU and UKIP are so scared of Foreign influence why is Nigel Farage licking the American Asses trying to gather support over there - if He wasn''t trying to influence "friends" over there and gather mates over there! God forbid if UKIP ever got in power Farage would increase trade with the US! The US has Empire Ambitions - it already does Macdonalds Empire - runs Iraq it runs Afghanistan and if we are not careful it will run our Police force!
MovieMad007 7 months ago
@MovieMad007 he ovo likes other countries but he just doesnt want other countries dictating what our laws should be and how much money we should give to the eu
ruthio1 6 months ago
@ruthio1 ermm right - we don't seem to mind telling other Sovereign Nations and UN members like Iraq or Libya or Syria how to live and what they should do! When we invaded other Nations (India, Pakistan, countries in East Africa, Australia, Canada, N Zealand) to build the British Empire we didnt have any problems telling those Nations what to do! So now the boot is on the other foot.. suddenly we don't like being told what to do! A little bit of sour grapes or a bit two faced on our part?
MovieMad007 6 months ago
we desperately need the trade (trade deficit second worst in the world after America) ...yet we are not willing to play by the rules and structures. The EU does work - its the stupid individuals MEP's - and the individual EU member states Governments who interpret the rules incorrectly. I have actually read one or two of them fully and studied it in depth at uni and our Government has in my opinion implemented it incorrectly.
MovieMad007 6 months ago
@MovieMad007 well we did all that during the race for imperial empires every country tried it and to be fair we did bring those countries trial by jury parlimentry democracy and an economic system and it cant be that bad because these countries have stayed in the commonwealth but the days of empire are over i believe in the eu but we should have more control over immigration, court systems and economy
ruthio1 6 months ago
@xUK91x let me remind you the EU was formed as a trading body to trade competitively against the likes of the Americas, China, Asia, and the now Ex-Soviet Union. Russia has become a huge competative force which is a threat to the UK,ok! The Commonwealth (what Commonwealth???). Don't you think you are being a bit two headed here? On the one hand you are dead set against foreign EU rule on you but on the other hand you are quite willing to benefit from the Commonwealth -
MovieMad007 7 months ago
ermmm how do you think the Commonwealth was formed? Yes by invasion!!!! The Commonwealth was not for the good of those other countries - it was for Britain! We killled people in India and Pakistan (look at the Kashmir war), I have lived in Kenya, East Africa - which used to be in the Commonwealth but is now Independent. Australia and New Zealand are in the Commonwealth .....but for how much longer becaause they joined ASEAN. And Australia does not like being ruled by a Monarch 12,000 miles away!
MovieMad007 7 months ago
@MovieMad007 Its not being two headed at all, if anything i see the commonwealth as family countries. Why the EU is pushing more and more to a fully unified Europe. The ideal of a trading body was a sweet idea to begin with, little did they let on what there true agenda was and now we are seeing it bright as day in the 21st century. They want one country, the United Nations of Europe, similar to the USA. They even denied Irelands referendum when they said no and bullied them into doing it again.
xUK91x 7 months ago
michael cashman is completely retarded and living on cloud 9
xuiton 8 months ago
It's interesting how you conveniently edited out opposing views. It's quite telling.
wolland1313 8 months ago
E.U. , PLEASE DON'T LET THIS INFIDEL TURKS TO JOIN !!!!!!!!!!!
LOOK AT THE TURK'S BARBARIC HISTORY WHAT THEY DID TO ARMENIANS.
TURK WILL COME IN TO YOUR HOME AND KILL YOUR BABES AND FUCK YOUR WIVES THATS A FACT!!!!!!
xxnick007xx 8 months ago
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TELL THE TRUTH, U FUCKIN ANIMAL TURKS !!!!!!!
YOU INFIDEL MOTHER FUCKERS !!!!!!!!!!!
FUCK YOUR KORAN AND ALL OF YOUR GOD'S !!!!!!!!!!
YOU HISTORICAL INFIDEL MOTHER FUCKERS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
MOTHER FUCKERS LIKE YOU SHOULDN'T BE AROUND ANYWHERE NEAR TO THIS
EARTH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ALL OF YOU TURK MOTHER FUCKERS SHOULD BURN IN HELL, AND MAKE SOUR NO FUCKIN BURNED DOST LEFT AFTER !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
FUCKIN IDIOTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
xxnick007xx 8 months ago
These Pro ExpansionLiberals are starting to get on my nerves.They would include even the Bermuda triangle in the E.U if they could.(Including whatever Aliens happen to live there).
Yperkeimenos 9 months ago
JUST LOOK AT THOSE NAMES...CHESHIT OSMAN..KIOPEK DAMADJAN..,KIORFISHEK BULETOLSUN..,OSMAN CHEPRAK..,SIKIM NINENIAMDJANU...,DOMUS GIOTENI...,AHMED KIOTEK..,AND IMAGINE THOSE ZOO-MONGOLIAN NAMES TO INVADE OUR COUNTRYES...AND WITH THE NAMES COMES THE FACES..DARK..NASTY..SHORT PEOPLE,NOT MORE THAN 1,60..SCREWING THEYR WIFES ONLY IN THE ASS..,THATS WHY THEY WARE THOSE PANTS,TO SHIT INSIDE AFTER..PATHETIC COUNTRY...
eleonik76 10 months ago
@eleonik76 There's a difference between constructive criticism and outright racism. You're like the Balkan Patriots I argue with over that despicable piece of propaganda 300.
14GloryofRome14 10 months ago
When does it stop? If Turkey joins the EU everyone else should leave it.
hunkgod 10 months ago
@hunkgod lol agreed, turkey sucks major balls
Ullbritt 1 day ago
A piss-poor Slovenian talking about prosperity and ambition. Get your own house in order first, I would suggest. And then his dictatorial talk about 'leadership', just disgusting.
Turkey has no place in the EU. It is not European and will never be. If the EU wanted Turkey in, they would have allowed them in years ago.
Krifko 10 months ago
If Turkey is really a "prosperous country", why do they recieve 550 million Euros of European tax money in EU funding each year ?
Spenner56 10 months ago
@Spenner56 the shifty Turks receive the €550million (petty-cash) for little things
such as the luck of Human Rights amongs other little things that they find ever so
difficult to grasp bcoz of their islamist faith BUT in the EU this CROOKS will stand
to gain €30BILLION every year without lifting a lazy Turkish finger and not having to
play by the EU rules but their islamic-ones and ,,,minarets by the thousands!!ewee
ratzP 10 months ago
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Turkey is not in Europe. We can rhyme off the human rights abuses and the terrorist threat on our door step and the continued disregard for the armenian genocide and the oppression of minorities and so on and so forth, but the simple fact that simply needs stated is that 98% of Turkey is in Asia. It is not a European country; culturally or geographically.
matrix4022 11 months ago
EU HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH DEMOCRACY ! IT'S A DICTATORSHIP SYSTEM.
FACT!
Nigel we are with you, kick their ASS, break up EU, show to the world this is not working and what more, people are against the UNION OF SLAVERY.
GREECE WILL SHOW THE WAY.
trustmeU2needhelp 11 months ago 4
"The main problem that we are confronted with is the fact that our leaders are following public opinion" - DId he REALLY just say that?!
Mehlwurm18 11 months ago 26
@Mehlwurm18 Of coarse he said that, he's from Turkey! A country where it's perfectly legal for a man to beat his wife and where police-man stand by and do nothing while her husband stabs her over 50 times (a real happening that you can see on youtube). It's a country that is completely uninterested in the opinion of half of it's population. Shouldn't be too hard for them to extend it to the other half too.
lauraleesmithagain 9 months ago
LOOK AT THIS JELKO KACIN!! ARE YOU FUCKN IDIOT YOU FUCKN SLOVENIAN PIECE OF SHIT??!! "THE LEADERS HAVE TO SAY WHAT PEOPLE SHOULD THINK AND DO" ARE YOU FUCKN FORGOT THAT ITS NOT 1980?? ITS 2011!! COME HERE TO TELL ME WHAT A HELL I SHOULD DO,YOU FUCKN FAGGOT!! I BET THAT YOU ARE A SHEMALE,AND YOU HAVE NO BALLS EVEN!! NIGEL IS THE MAN!! DARE TO FACE THE FACTS! DARE TO SAY THE TRUTH! AND YOU ARE FUCKN INSECT! FUCKN COCROACH! PIECE OF SHIT! SHAME FOR THE HUMAN RACE!
eleonik76 11 months ago
its interesting how the leftist euro fanatics are so similar to the bourgeois marx was trying to abolish
Ndboulton10 11 months ago
@Ndboulton10,why do you assume that all euro fanatics are leftist?Are Angela Merkel's CDU not a centre-right party that happens to be pro-EU?
SLPBritain 10 months ago
Where is the EU going? We the public are never asked, consulted or even informed about these events until this non-democratic cancer has decided. We the public are simply ignored and treated as imbeciles!
s13hgp 11 months ago 2
Leave the EU and then let Turkey join.
Fleshious 1 year ago
These people make me sick. I can only imagine how frustrated Nigel Farage must get with these ignorant power hungry idiots. I cannot believe they openly talk about ignoring and moulding public opinion! Hello, dictatorship!
scrembo 1 year ago
Cashman: "You must SHAPE opinion, you must LEAD opinions". Sounds more like a dictatorial than a democratic process.
terrafirma91 1 year ago
Cashman: "You must SHAPE opinion, you must LEAD opinions". Sounds more like a dictatorial than a democratic process.
terrafirma91 1 year ago
Nigel speaking sense and kicking ass as usual. To Yushkhan - Turkey will rule Europe - errrrrr yeah chilli sauce and garlic sauce on that please mate
august251976 1 year ago
LOL @ 5:20 - 5:34.
geolog12 1 year ago
Calm down Europeans. Turkey is not joining EU for at least another 10-15 years and by then Turkey will opt out itself. I am Turkish and there is a dimension of our candidacy about internal politics and that is why we look like eager to join. In fact majority of Turks already gave up the idea of joining and more will do so in the coming years. When the time comes, Turkey will agree for a privileged partnership with EU rather than membership, which is what we want as well.
afaresis 1 year ago
Turkey will rule Europe, Ottoman Empire for life you fucken Giro!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
YUSKHAN 1 year ago
Turkey is a big problem for our European overlords. The vast majority of Europeans is against an EU membership for Turkey. They want Turkey in, but for that have to drop the last pretense that EU is a democracy.
alizta 1 year ago
This talk is discusting! These Bastards talk like some dictators!
"Leaders must chance the public opinion". WTF Man, WTF!
Weintraubeheld221 1 year ago
And I agree, Turkey woud've "earned" membership earlier than these countries, but now that they're inside, we have to battle the negative consequences and we CAN'T take more countries into EU at the moment. The economic stress is IMMENSE for us, more and more people are suffering from unemployment, poverty at later age etc.pp..
sooperfukker 1 year ago
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adamakillikonus 1 year ago
As a Euro-Turkish young, in here Turkey, appreciate many of european values. I mean these are for example , Human-centrism, rationalism, even to recycle wastes for environment or social rights.Of course We do all of them without Eu. But if eu reject accession of turkey , i will stay same but i am not sure about my society, day by day support to eu is falling , to hate uprising.
After all certainly , europe is loosing a allianz of , and gaining enemy.
adamakillikonus 1 year ago
@adamakillikonus
Well, if Turkey would be seen as a modern country, it would be in the EU already but for some reason, there is ALWAYS some shit going on in Turkey which makes us (the "old" Europeans) shake our heads in disbelief, may it be an islamistic government, may it be murders of Christians in the streets of turkish cities.
sooperfukker 1 year ago
@sooperfukker all year around, i have never heard evil murdering onto christians in here. And the recent government full elected by the people that is democracy. I mean until 2002 Turkey had always pro-secular governments.
There are many excuses...
If turkey wont part of the union, the nearest neigbour with all his might exert to defeat it ;-)
adamakillikonus 1 year ago
@adamakillikonus
Then you don't know much about your own country; in early 2010, even a Christian Bishop (!), Luigi Padovese was murdered in Anatolia. Turkey has a long tradition of killing Christians, let's not forget about Andre Santoro, a catholic priest who has shot in 2006 by a man yelling "Allahu Akbar" while he was praying in his church.
Turkey DOES have a big problem with islamic influence & violence and it's well understandable that such a country cannot become European.
sooperfukker 1 year ago
While we don't have anything against perfectly normal turkish people, we are VERY MUCH afraid of these hidden islamic hate mongers coming to other European countries and doing their dirty work there. It would be like importing Islamic terrorism on purpose.
And because the Turkish Islamic government tries to play the big man by claiming it would conquer Europe, the Europeans have all good reasons to refuse Turkey's membership. It's easy like 1+1 is 2.
sooperfukker 1 year ago
@sooperfukker if you are giving importance to the exceptions more than common.
in 2009 who 3 months pregnant innocent Merve Şirbini murdered at the courthouse in german.
in some of european german,french,dutch mosques and islam culture centers under indcendiary fatal sabotages.
Enough and more to your question i think.
adamakillikonus 1 year ago
@sooperfukker muslims who lives in europe, if you think they are kinda terrorist or enemy againist people, reason is european smugness and arrogance made transform them out society.
For Turkey-Eu relations it can not be reason. Turkey is a country and no directly connected on euro-muslims.
If you have problems with muslim minority in your country ,it is yourself's problem not Turkey's
adamakillikonus 1 year ago
@adamakillikonus
You're going wrong here.
Turks in the european countries are DIRECTLY accessed by the turkish ministry of religion. Wherever mosques are built here, whenever muslims try to engage in lawfare against the state or the people, they are SPONSORED by the turkish ministry of religion ! EVERYWHERE IN EUROPE !
The turkish ministry of religion, which has good connections to the saudi arab origin of islamism is a key element of bringing radical islam to europe, THROUGH TURKEY.
sooperfukker 1 year ago
@sooperfukker
I always ask myself : How much do turkish people in Turkey actually KNOW about the global islamistic activities of their government ? Can you answer that question ?
sooperfukker 1 year ago
@sooperfukker It is not ministry, its name is Presidency of religious affairs. It is founded after fall of Islam Caliphate by Kemal Atatürk who brought secularism to Turkey. That Presidency is assurance of the secular system of Turkey. It is general authority about religion yes. If Without it, all muslim congregation groups would comment the Quran as they want. And it is great opportunity for radicals that scares you.
adamakillikonus 1 year ago
@sooperfukker We Turks have more cautious problems than spreading islam over europe. I will respond your question again with examples. All kind of churchs such as orthodox-catholic- or armenian have freedom and they are really hard working to convert a muslim turk into christinaity in here, were you know?. or Churchs and even synagouges has same exemption with mosques. Electricity- municipal waters-gas
adamakillikonus 1 year ago
@sooperfukker if Eu disturbed about Turkey's turning face into EAST. Thats why is Eu. Turkey has worked with allies during cold war as a member of NATO. Joined to the Council of Europe in 1950s. But after all years what happened? Incomprehensible , All former Iron Curtain countries even Bulgaria are membered earlier than Turkey.
adamakillikonus 1 year ago 7
@adamakillikonus
I am fully aware that turkish people care about LOTS of things and religion is probably NOT really on top of the list.
And true, it is INCOMPRENSABLE that countries like Bulgaria have joined EU. But let's be clear: It was NOT because european people wanted it to join, but because EU bueurocrats wanted to expand the borders of EU. The people in the EU were NEVER ASKED.
sooperfukker 1 year ago
@adamakillikonus AND THAT IS COUSE YOUR NASTY MENTALITY..,NASTY DIRTY AND FANATIK CULTURE!! LACK OF HUMAN RIGHTS!!ANADOLIK COUNTRY WITH DARK AND UGLY FACES!! WE DONT CARE WHICH UNION YOU WILL JOIN MAN!! WE DONT LIKE TO SEE YOU IN OUR STREETS,WE DONT WANT TO HEAR YOUR LANGUAGE IN THE SUPERMARKET,WE DONT WANT TO SEE YOUR FACES,AND WE DONT WANT YOU IN OUR HOUSES!! EVEN YOU JOIN THE EU..,THAT WILL NOT CHANGE!! YOU WILL BE ALWAYS ASIAN-MONGOLIAN BUNCH OF UGLY FACES!!
eleonik76 10 months ago
@adamakillikonus Turkey has not an european culture, it has not a european population hence cannot be part of European Union.
jfarinhote 4 months ago
@jfarinhote What is "European culture"? If Greece's culture is European, if Bulgaria's culture is European, if Bosnia's culture is European then Turkey's culture is European too.Europe hasn't got a common culture.Turkey is a Southeastern European country whether you like it or not, it's the truth.And there is another truth, you are a racist.
PLQENQS4 4 months ago
@PLQENQS4 Turkey is a Middle East Country, with a Middle East culture. Middle East is not Europe it never was it will never be. This has nothing to do with racism or be against Turkey. I respect the Turks and their History.
jfarinhote 4 months ago
@jfarinhote Then many other Balkan countries are Middle Eastern too.Bosnia, Greece etc. We have similiar cultures.Republic of Turkey is an European country since it's found by Ataturk.
PLQENQS4 4 months ago
@PLQENQS4 By your standards then Israel, should be part of EU too. Turkey doesnt need to be part of the EU, what would be better for both is to strengthen commercial relations etc.
jfarinhote 4 months ago
@jfarinhote By my standards, Turkey should be part of EU like how Cyprus became a part of EU even if it's COMPLETELY in Middle East.
PLQENQS4 4 months ago
@PLQENQS4 I'm afraid you are wrong, Cyprus is in Europe and the majority of its population is greek.
jfarinhote 4 months ago
@jfarinhote Cyprus is not in Europe, it's completely in West Asia.I'm afraid you are bad at geography.Also I don't care it's population is Greek or not.And our population is Turkish, so? Just give up and accept that you are just a racist.
PLQENQS4 4 months ago