What an amazing performance. Not only are these soloists virtuosic, but they know how to listen to each other! Those of you who complain because both soloist played differently than other recordings, please know that it's part of practice of ornamentations. Baroque music was heavily ornamented, but the ornaments weren't written down because they were common practice at the time. I think Podger and Manze did an superb job here!
When I first started listening to classical music this was one of my first favourite performances, and it still is...that bit of amazing but simple improvisation at 3:45 is just GENIUS.
eh if Baroque is your thing then yay. Doesn't matter what others think. If you like it then rock that Baroque in the bathtub man while you're soaping them pits. I decided I don't. Don't hate each other for opinions. This snobbery in the classical shit needs to stop. I play whatever I like and I don't give a flying flip what others think and neither should you. When classical starts to become a social contest for you then it ceases to make you tear up in your eye and shiver down your spine.
Period specialists or not, some of the performance is enjoyable, some of it is not. I am not too concerned with the imitation of Baroque factor, but some of it really is harsh and abrasive and not enjoyable. Doesn't matter who it is playing.
You know, you're right. These musicians ought to be free to perform before people who choose to attend their concert. While I do not agree with their Bach method, I apologize for my discourteous remarks.
@violinhunter2 'this version is for professionals' !?!?!?!?!? can't let you get away with THAT. who the HELL do you think you are? it's musical snobs like yourself that i a) CAN'T STAND and b) contribute to the widening of the gap between audiences and musicians. thumbs up if you believe that music belongs to EVERYBODY.
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My goodnes, how can this be good? Listen to the gentleman's (I dont know who he is and have no interest to either) crazy nonsense at 1.24 onwards. What he is doing? And they look so smug while presenting their embarrassingly amateurish playing. Who are these players? They are offensively bad. Offensively bad.
@blacktiger444 Who are these players? for starters, you can start by listening to narrator at the end of the clip. Second, you can look in Wikipedia, there's a short description of their careers. I don't know who you are, but I enjoyed their performance, and for what it's worth, it seems that so did the rest of the audience in the Royal Albert Hall.
Sounds absolutely terrible-it rasps the ear! These two "musicians" should hear the version by the Ljubljana SO and be shamed. In fact they should probably learn their scales first.
Right... that is also probably why each of them has his/her own entry in wikipedia. It's quite common for musicians who don't know their scales to get those.
@glorendil Not that I agree at all with blacktiger 444, but this is pretty stupid and illogical reply to his comment. You can't say a musician is good/bad by the existence of a wikipedia entry!
First, I wasn't saying they were good because they have a Wikipedia entry (read my comment again if you're not sure).
As for the logic, it's rather simple. If a specific person has an entry in Wikipedia it's because that person is well known for something. In our case - it's musicianship. Since people who don't know their scales aren't known for their musicianship they wouldn't get a Wikipedia entry, in contradiction with blacktiger444's commnet.
@glorendil You took "don't know their scales" quite literally, which I think in the context of music criticism would rather be a hyperbole for putting up a bad performance. Wikipedia is self-edited, and hence having a slight inkling of musicianship would grant you a good independent entry, provided your publicity agents are diligent enough. This does not make you immune from people declaring that you are inferior to other more legendary musicians/performances; hence the irrelevance of Wikipedia.
@physphilmusic I didn't take it literally, but I rather more in the spirit of "don't know the rudiments of playing music" (which includes knowledge of scale), which is quite different than "put up a bad performance", so based on that I think my logic was sound.
As Wikipedia, while what you say is possible, I don't think it holds in this case. There are 149 contemporary classical violinists and 20 baroque. Think how many violinists exist in the world. I doubt the list has even one lousy player.
@glorendil The problem is that tens of times I have encountered musician pages on Wikipedia that are merely copied and pasted from their official biographies on their websites. Which means that it is difficult to compare a merely proficient musician with a truly excellent one. I strongly believe there differences: although not to the literal extreme of not knowing scales, some musicians are simply there more because of the force of their looks, personality, promotion and luck.
@glorendil My goodnes, how can this be good? Listen to the gentleman's (I dont know who he is and have no interest to either) crazy nonsense at 1.24 onwards. What he is doing? And they look so smug while presenting their embarrassingly amateurish playing. Who are these players? They are offensively bad. Offensively bad.
@blacktiger444 I beg your pardon? That offensively bad amateurish player is Andrew Manze, arguably the world number one authority in violin period performance.... I would have a listen to some of his recordings before expressing gross judgements on his playing.....
@blacktiger444 You're probably just not used to listening to true baroque or period music. For the inexperienced listener, baroque does tend to sound amateurish because they do not use as much pressure and vibrato as the modern violinist. Also, they use a faster, more swelling bow speed. But this is how it sounded back in the day, and Rachel and Andrew are masters at imitating the standard. If you listen to it long enough, either you will grow to love it, or you'll hate it. Your prerogative.
Most people have been fairly polite so far but can I just ask: do you in fact have ears? This is pretty much as close as you can get to how this music would have sounded in Bach's lifetime. The two musicians you so ignorantly call "amateurish" are two of the very best and most knowledgeable period instrument performance specialists. Period performance - despite its greater authenticity - may not be to your taste, but do not show yourself up by insulting two great musicians.
You have no idea. Not only is it 10x more difficult technically to play on baroque equipment - which you obviously know nothing about. But on top of that the musicianship and artistry, along with the improvisation put into this performance can only be done by someone so accomplished and well-studied. You lack those credentials as well.
Stick to your chin rest, shoulder rest, and Tourte bow until you're ready to come out of the sandbox.
couldn't agree more. you think playing on a period instrument would be similar to a modern one, but it's actually quite difficult. this performance is pretty amazing.
This is a great performance, but I feel Manze is all over the place, and I can hear it in his sound. I think Podger is much more authentic and in complete control. She can ornament and tastefully color the music without losing character. Very respectful to Bach and his music.
This is an absolutely fantastic performanc!. I just get the feeling that Rachel Podger is more comfortable with the interpretation of this piece, Manze seems to be slightly overdoing the phrasing and rubato, but when Podger comes in with an imitation she gets it spot on. Just my opinion, but still a great performance of this fantastic piece.
Oh God...this piece has such a terrible memory for me, lol. I worked SO HARD learning it for a performance as a duet with my teacher, and I swear, I played it so well....and at 2:54, I came in exactly one eight note early...ONE!!! Which screwed me up for the entire peice. I almost cried, lol. I somehow managed to find my place at 3:22, but everything before that my teacher played without me. I was soooo about to be in tears....(lol, sorry for the rant, guys.)
Потрясающе! ! ! Великолепная трактовка финала двойного скрипичного концерта Баха! Исполнение заряжено невероятным драйвом!!!! Давно я не слышал ТАКОГО Баха! ! !
que hermosa cancion me gusta solo que me gustaria saber que marca es el violon que tiene rachel talvez me puedan responder es que se da la casualidad que mi violin es igual al de ella y es igual en todo aspecto espero la respuesta por favor respondanme
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some body needs 2 teach that damn bold guy 2 B still or atleast stick him 2 something that will keep him straight I can only imagine hows walks in public what an embarrassment his performance is terrible
FABULOUS!!!! Manze brings much-needed passion to this and every other piece of music he plays. Check out his Handel sonatas...to.die.for. Love ya Andrew!!!!!!!!
Hehe, yes! His Handel sonatas are excellent, and his Corelli, both more-than-ably supported by Richard Egarr. I've got his Handel in D major posted in fact
I've started already... in fact, thelightisahead, I believe that everyone should learn music, because it takes you to another world, more powerfull than any other!
LOL yeah i noticed at 3:48. i know what you mean. Nice touch. And also about that 'arabic' feel at 4:06 that lolmanerik commented on - thats a nice bit of lib and baroque decoration. Just shows that they really are masters of their art.
wwaaahahaha. real maaasters. sounds like a decoration from a musician without education..nothing more.. I know muuuuch better Baroque players. They dom´t do this decorations in Bach. It is not Vivaldi. It is GERMAN music.
Excellent indeed!!!! Thank you so much for uploading this, along with Parts 1 and 2. I've been a big fan of Podger and Manze for a long long time, it's great to see some 'actions'!!
I agree. hahaha. very lol. whats going on in violin world. I mean this r the proms right, everybody go look jascha heifetz. Manzeboy and iPodger should look and listen also.
they aren't, they are tuned to the Barouque "A"... as you should know Baroque strings were made of real gut, which made the tone different... so either their instruments are Baroque instruments (which i suspect) or they tuned to the Baroque "A".
yeah they should all be genuine Baroque instruments. If not actual antiques, Andrew Manze would have had them made. Check out their bows...Maybe they should wear wigs too...
actually the BBC Proms Presented mentioned the instruments...I couldnt hear the one for Rachel, but Manze's is apparently a Gagliagno. Very nice violin. I played one once.
@violinbouii Not just the strings, but Baroque violins/violas are not equipped with a bass bar. This not only affects depth of sound, but also stabilizes the frame of the instrument under the left foot of the bridge. This means they can't tune the instruments higher without risk of collapsing the whole top of the instrument. The average tension of Baroque strings is around 63 pounds; whereas, modern strings are usually around 80 pounds.
Firstly, I'm not knocking this or anything, I think they play very well. But I don't like the way he starts, just before they play. I know us violinists like to, in fact need to, put that kinda pomp in our playing to enrich it, but to that extent, it just puts off people unfamiliar with classical music! I dunno
I'm afraid I dont understand. What do you mean by "pomp"? That he is being too ceremonial? It's Andrew Manze, and he appeals to a particular audience. People who like him appreciate his interpretation (which is meant to be the genuine Baroque article). I had this conversation with a doctor (heart surgeon, actually) about whether classical music should try to cater to the masses.
I wonder why people even try bashing musicians' interpretation of baroque period music. Isn't the music from the Baroque period of music open to interpretation so that the musician(s) decides how each piece is played?
As much as I find musical snobbery to be completely and utterly stupid (especially when it comes from Bach fans who elevate him to Godlike levels), I find this presentation very distasteful. When I learned the concerto, I was enamoured with Oistrakh's rendition.
I think the whole thing was too agitated. I know what they were trying to accomplish, but I don't think it worked out.
You didn't mention that it's a complete mess. I can't here any counterpoint or harmony at all because the ensemble playing lacks any cohesion whatsoever and fails to make up for it in energy making for a truly worthless performance.
speechless. Podger and Manze. Jesus H. Christ. I love this recording. Can't put enough exclamation marks.
mmenchu 1 week ago
What an amazing performance. Not only are these soloists virtuosic, but they know how to listen to each other! Those of you who complain because both soloist played differently than other recordings, please know that it's part of practice of ornamentations. Baroque music was heavily ornamented, but the ornaments weren't written down because they were common practice at the time. I think Podger and Manze did an superb job here!
MrJaeshu 1 month ago
Circle of 5th progression is just ahhhh!!! Gets me all the time!
Kigozi23 1 month ago
I'm sorry but that circle of 5th's progression gets me all the time. In a weird way it's real jazzy....feeling that. 3.45 was hoooot
Kigozi23 1 month ago
this is part of concert program in
BBC Proms 2004
-Prom 47 of 2004 season. Royal Albert Hall, London, on Saturday 21 August 2004
performers:
Andrew Manze, 1st violin/director
Rachel Podger, 2nd violin
The English Concert
rrquatro 1 month ago
18 people couldn't take all of the AWESOME!
tapetedepadaria 1 month ago
AMAZING!!!!!!!!
jin12345678 2 months ago
if you think Bach wold have objected to 3:45 ..you have no understanding of him , his music or the the passion of music.
fuse2uk 2 months ago
When I first started listening to classical music this was one of my first favourite performances, and it still is...that bit of amazing but simple improvisation at 3:45 is just GENIUS.
kyleclef 3 months ago
he realy knows how to feel the music !
Kraviotho 4 months ago
Amo Bach, su musica no es de este mundo.
vjrmagno 5 months ago
A fireworks! I love the interaction between the two soloists! And what are they doing with these chromaticisms at 3:45? That's madness … I love it!
mizzothify 6 months ago
I very much enjoyed the exuberance of the playing, and the visual aspect. BRAVO & BRAVA!
FrZeile 7 months ago
What the HELL did they do starting at 3:45? OMG. Musical orgasm. IN. MAH. PANTS!!!
hazimsuhadi 8 months ago 5
eh if Baroque is your thing then yay. Doesn't matter what others think. If you like it then rock that Baroque in the bathtub man while you're soaping them pits. I decided I don't. Don't hate each other for opinions. This snobbery in the classical shit needs to stop. I play whatever I like and I don't give a flying flip what others think and neither should you. When classical starts to become a social contest for you then it ceases to make you tear up in your eye and shiver down your spine.
AnontheOP 9 months ago
Period specialists or not, some of the performance is enjoyable, some of it is not. I am not too concerned with the imitation of Baroque factor, but some of it really is harsh and abrasive and not enjoyable. Doesn't matter who it is playing.
Brendanslocumb 10 months ago
You know, you're right. These musicians ought to be free to perform before people who choose to attend their concert. While I do not agree with their Bach method, I apologize for my discourteous remarks.
Cheers :)
blacktiger444 10 months ago
One of the best on YouTube!!!! Thanks. (This version is for professionals.)
violinhunter2 11 months ago
@violinhunter2 'this version is for professionals' !?!?!?!?!? can't let you get away with THAT. who the HELL do you think you are? it's musical snobs like yourself that i a) CAN'T STAND and b) contribute to the widening of the gap between audiences and musicians. thumbs up if you believe that music belongs to EVERYBODY.
stevenisserlisfan 5 months ago
Andrew Manze - here? Tragedy man! I love Bach's music but i don't know what is this. Very, very bad version!
Slaaweck1 11 months ago
Terrorific version, I HATE IT!! This is an insult to J.S. Bach!! This is a commercial version, not a good version, very very bad!!
legendbach 11 months ago
@blacktiger444. Are you a musician at all? You must be joking..3:44 is just incredible!!
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My goodnes, how can this be good? Listen to the gentleman's (I dont know who he is and have no interest to either) crazy nonsense at 1.24 onwards. What he is doing? And they look so smug while presenting their embarrassingly amateurish playing. Who are these players? They are offensively bad. Offensively bad.
blacktiger444 1 year ago
@blacktiger444 Who are these players? for starters, you can start by listening to narrator at the end of the clip. Second, you can look in Wikipedia, there's a short description of their careers. I don't know who you are, but I enjoyed their performance, and for what it's worth, it seems that so did the rest of the audience in the Royal Albert Hall.
glorendil 1 year ago
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violawing 9 months ago
Bach rules! Listen carefully and you'll realise that the third movement of the double violin concerto is rough anarchy.
zandras3ddo 1 year ago
If only every performer could show that much enjoyment and shere joy while playing.
mirhlarebekka 1 year ago
That's neat that they perform this piece in the original tune of baroque era music! Everybody is tuned about a half step lower than modern day music.
sk8ingchamp 1 year ago
restitution parfaite du génie de bach,admiration sans bornes !
robynsalain 1 year ago
I LOVE IT!
cellomaan 1 year ago
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rosalbasemiplena 1 year ago
@rosalbasemiplena Right on. He's given up the violin though, so I believe. Good call.
seelingnight 1 year ago
out of tune at 3:48, Rachel's part. Anyone hear it? Still great playing though, hard piece!
walkingon2001 1 year ago
love the communication between the two player
sealingTIE 1 year ago
I love the energy level and superb musicianship in this rendition.
Doug2World 1 year ago
Sounds absolutely terrible-it rasps the ear! These two "musicians" should hear the version by the Ljubljana SO and be shamed. In fact they should probably learn their scales first.
blacktiger444 1 year ago
@blacktiger444 koji kurac model? I'm from ljubljana, and the SO sucks :D
Tejck 1 year ago
@blacktiger444
Right... that is also probably why each of them has his/her own entry in wikipedia. It's quite common for musicians who don't know their scales to get those.
Not.
glorendil 1 year ago
@glorendil Not that I agree at all with blacktiger 444, but this is pretty stupid and illogical reply to his comment. You can't say a musician is good/bad by the existence of a wikipedia entry!
physphilmusic 1 year ago
@physphilmusic
Illogical? Really?
First, I wasn't saying they were good because they have a Wikipedia entry (read my comment again if you're not sure).
As for the logic, it's rather simple. If a specific person has an entry in Wikipedia it's because that person is well known for something. In our case - it's musicianship. Since people who don't know their scales aren't known for their musicianship they wouldn't get a Wikipedia entry, in contradiction with blacktiger444's commnet.
glorendil 1 year ago
@glorendil You took "don't know their scales" quite literally, which I think in the context of music criticism would rather be a hyperbole for putting up a bad performance. Wikipedia is self-edited, and hence having a slight inkling of musicianship would grant you a good independent entry, provided your publicity agents are diligent enough. This does not make you immune from people declaring that you are inferior to other more legendary musicians/performances; hence the irrelevance of Wikipedia.
physphilmusic 1 year ago
@physphilmusic I didn't take it literally, but I rather more in the spirit of "don't know the rudiments of playing music" (which includes knowledge of scale), which is quite different than "put up a bad performance", so based on that I think my logic was sound.
As Wikipedia, while what you say is possible, I don't think it holds in this case. There are 149 contemporary classical violinists and 20 baroque. Think how many violinists exist in the world. I doubt the list has even one lousy player.
glorendil 1 year ago
@glorendil The problem is that tens of times I have encountered musician pages on Wikipedia that are merely copied and pasted from their official biographies on their websites. Which means that it is difficult to compare a merely proficient musician with a truly excellent one. I strongly believe there differences: although not to the literal extreme of not knowing scales, some musicians are simply there more because of the force of their looks, personality, promotion and luck.
physphilmusic 1 year ago
@glorendil My goodnes, how can this be good? Listen to the gentleman's (I dont know who he is and have no interest to either) crazy nonsense at 1.24 onwards. What he is doing? And they look so smug while presenting their embarrassingly amateurish playing. Who are these players? They are offensively bad. Offensively bad.
blacktiger444 1 year ago
@blacktiger444 I beg your pardon? That offensively bad amateurish player is Andrew Manze, arguably the world number one authority in violin period performance.... I would have a listen to some of his recordings before expressing gross judgements on his playing.....
CorelliCollective 1 year ago
@blacktiger444 You're probably just not used to listening to true baroque or period music. For the inexperienced listener, baroque does tend to sound amateurish because they do not use as much pressure and vibrato as the modern violinist. Also, they use a faster, more swelling bow speed. But this is how it sounded back in the day, and Rachel and Andrew are masters at imitating the standard. If you listen to it long enough, either you will grow to love it, or you'll hate it. Your prerogative.
Violinfanatic 1 year ago
@blacktiger444
Most people have been fairly polite so far but can I just ask: do you in fact have ears? This is pretty much as close as you can get to how this music would have sounded in Bach's lifetime. The two musicians you so ignorantly call "amateurish" are two of the very best and most knowledgeable period instrument performance specialists. Period performance - despite its greater authenticity - may not be to your taste, but do not show yourself up by insulting two great musicians.
jkpiano 11 months ago
mmm... period instruments...
jazzevans 1 year ago
DIVINOS
madretierra6 1 year ago
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woa they are not very good. i'm twelve and i can play this as well, not very hard... well ok i'm almost 13, but still welll you know
ciao
snipperzzz 2 years ago
You have no idea. Not only is it 10x more difficult technically to play on baroque equipment - which you obviously know nothing about. But on top of that the musicianship and artistry, along with the improvisation put into this performance can only be done by someone so accomplished and well-studied. You lack those credentials as well.
Stick to your chin rest, shoulder rest, and Tourte bow until you're ready to come out of the sandbox.
/endrant
musicmatt09 2 years ago 32
couldn't agree more. you think playing on a period instrument would be similar to a modern one, but it's actually quite difficult. this performance is pretty amazing.
runxcwithme 2 years ago 3
@musicmatt09 Yes, how dare they dream.
qozle 1 year ago
@musicmatt09 How fucking rude -- the guy's entitled to try if he wants to.
prkprescott1 1 year ago
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@prkprescott1
Johnny come lately.
In case you missed the statement to which I replied, here it is:
"woa they are not very good. i'm twelve and i can play this as well, not very hard... well ok i'm almost 13, but still welll you know"
I can play this as well, not very hard...
And how is my statement factually incorrect OR rude?
Good day, prk.
musicmatt09 1 year ago
@musicmatt09 Or, as Dre would say, "I was strapped with gats when you was cuddled in the cabbage patch"
hymnofashes 1 year ago
@musicmatt09 lol u mad?
donesixfour 8 months ago
Is this tuned a half step down?
fatrump123 2 years ago
It is standard (modern) baroque tuning: A=415hz.
musicmatt09 2 years ago 2
One thing I like about the HIP style of Bach is the athleticism. That, and of course the crystal clear counterpoint. Thanks for the upload.
fdaltrey 2 years ago
amazing! I wonder, if the "improvisation" at the end (the chromatic, the thrills) are spontaneous or stipulated.. :) fantastic performance!
MrConductor1984 2 years ago
Great, wish one day I could listen to them live.
bastianinisfan 2 years ago 2
Well I think that Manze is playing to the live Proms crowd to a certain extent. I have this on disc and he's much more conservative there.
And is it just me or is Rachel Podger hot?
AlanG106 2 years ago
@AlanG106
It's not just you.
priscianusjr 1 year ago
they are playing with antiques... so dang lucky...
sounds awesome
runninriot15 2 years ago
Genial!!!!...por donde se lo mire, una version para los tiempos de los tiempos.Gracias MAESTROS: Rachel Podger & Andrew Manze!!!!
violinluis 2 years ago
Wow. Manze is explosive. It's my first time seeing him live.
animeviolalord 2 years ago
Great, living performance. Very unique.
briffid 2 years ago
This is a great performance, but I feel Manze is all over the place, and I can hear it in his sound. I think Podger is much more authentic and in complete control. She can ornament and tastefully color the music without losing character. Very respectful to Bach and his music.
jlgviolin 2 years ago
RIDICOLI!
Immaviol 2 years ago
perche' ridicoli?
formaggioneone 2 years ago
lo mejor del mundo andrew manze
Juan9558 2 years ago
you really tell that they truly love playing this music, and it makes listening that much better.
pkenans 2 years ago
Que bello y que hermosos,los músicos son personas muy especiales y sensibles y del compositor que puedo decir...magnifico
madretierra6 2 years ago
it is not baroque in the sound
runemoney456 2 years ago
very good amazing
runemoney456 2 years ago
manze is better than Carmignolla
jorsitoh 2 years ago
They are very different players from very different regions, don't you think?
I've always liked Manze's interpretations best of anyone...
Carmignolla's technique though... my God! Best bow-arm in the business, as far as I can tell.
I secretly wish those two would get together for something!
isitvalottioryoung1 2 years ago
esta es la musica mas bella del mundo......
bach fue muy grande es uno de mis autores favoritos!!!!!!!!
violinescostar 2 years ago
even if i'm not a fan of this baroque-way, it's really great to see so much life in there!!!!wonderful music-making
jghamm 2 years ago
rachel podger has hair like hermoine granger from harry potter:)
Mendolssohn 2 years ago
Viva la musica!
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I think they confuse baroc with rock music...they play like stoned dogs
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shocking.......unbelievably bad.......mediocre
tigishvili 2 years ago
this is what baroque music sounds like. what do u expect them to do? they are baroque specialists.
Mendolssohn 2 years ago 9
Is that the proms?
OrianaDiazL 2 years ago
This is an absolutely fantastic performanc!. I just get the feeling that Rachel Podger is more comfortable with the interpretation of this piece, Manze seems to be slightly overdoing the phrasing and rubato, but when Podger comes in with an imitation she gets it spot on. Just my opinion, but still a great performance of this fantastic piece.
hellow326 2 years ago 2
does anyone know when this was performed? i really can't tell.
Mendolssohn 2 years ago
Royal Albert Hall, Proms 2004
isitvalottioryoung1 2 years ago 2
los únicos violines iguales son los de fábrica y no creo que ella esté usando uno de esos. . .chao! :D
elmae999 2 years ago
Oh God...this piece has such a terrible memory for me, lol. I worked SO HARD learning it for a performance as a duet with my teacher, and I swear, I played it so well....and at 2:54, I came in exactly one eight note early...ONE!!! Which screwed me up for the entire peice. I almost cried, lol. I somehow managed to find my place at 3:22, but everything before that my teacher played without me. I was soooo about to be in tears....(lol, sorry for the rant, guys.)
lakesidemourning 3 years ago 4
Haha, I love how Manze starts off this part. So much furious activity.
fluentinsilence 3 years ago 3
BRAVO..BRAVO ...What else do I need to say?
DrLuu1972 3 years ago 2
ENCORE ENCORE?
Rheesoman 3 years ago 2
Потрясающе! ! ! Великолепная трактовка финала двойного скрипичного концерта Баха! Исполнение заряжено невероятным драйвом!!!! Давно я не слышал ТАКОГО Баха! ! !
Krasafftcik 3 years ago
que hermosa cancion me gusta solo que me gustaria saber que marca es el violon que tiene rachel talvez me puedan responder es que se da la casualidad que mi violin es igual al de ella y es igual en todo aspecto espero la respuesta por favor respondanme
horuhe89 3 years ago
i'm gay but i think i'm in love!
how gorgeous!!
Alire1 3 years ago
Fenomenalno! Bravooo!
vanesaxxl 3 years ago
the applause for this execution is just deafening!! bravo!
essmtg 3 years ago
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some body needs 2 teach that damn bold guy 2 B still or atleast stick him 2 something that will keep him straight I can only imagine hows walks in public what an embarrassment his performance is terrible
phazon4 3 years ago
Also what the hell is wrong with there violins something is wrong
phazon4 3 years ago
he's leading the orchestra that's why he moves around...... they have to listen to each other, and watch each other...
PeriodinstrumentfaN 3 years ago
Bravo both of you. Happy birthday Andrew!!!! (January 14)
violinhunter2 3 years ago
I like when Manze wiped off the fake sweat at 3:59. He he. Very nice piece. I think the tempo should have been Allegro con spirito!
EmceeLorder 3 years ago
he was pushing his glasses back onto his head.
ineedair3 2 years ago
"Dueling Banjos" for snobs.
Makes me proud to be a snob.
monkeyhawk 3 years ago 2
HAHA listen to the way the announcer says "Bach". It's hyterical.
lovesjoyajm 3 years ago
Haha, I literally laughed out loud when I heared her BAAA of a Bach. She sounds like a sheep. That was so cute.
violinmusicfan 3 years ago
Ya and she also said that "they chased each other violinistically...to the finish line."
And my favorite: "One critic has said of her that she engages with his music as if she were Bach's playmate." Pretty kinky, eeh?
hoopsmaster13 3 years ago
Hahaha :D yeah the presenters do come out with some guff lol
thelightisahead 3 years ago
Love the way the two violins converse with each from 0:11 to 0:19 hehe
thelightisahead 3 years ago
Podger - yes
Manze - no!
jabberwock01 3 years ago
I am always curious about this. Why all the hating on Manze? I think he is wonderful! Care tell why you don't care for this fine violinist?
OldFashionedMama23 3 years ago 2
FABULOUS!!!! Manze brings much-needed passion to this and every other piece of music he plays. Check out his Handel sonatas...to.die.for. Love ya Andrew!!!!!!!!
OldFashionedMama23 3 years ago 2
Hehe, yes! His Handel sonatas are excellent, and his Corelli, both more-than-ably supported by Richard Egarr. I've got his Handel in D major posted in fact
thelightisahead 3 years ago
Excellent performance, but for me it is too romantic.
vakareden2345 3 years ago
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geraldopus 3 years ago
I love it. Beautiful playing.
adoops 3 years ago 3
why take time to notice mistakes? Just enjoy the music. Stunning performance
drmario22 3 years ago 3
Genius! Absolutly Breathtaking!!! I'm going to make an hiper-effort to be able to play this someday, with someone!!! :D
100000000/5!!!
Cronocrata 3 years ago 11
Go for it! :)
thelightisahead 3 years ago
I will! ^^
I've started already... in fact, thelightisahead, I believe that everyone should learn music, because it takes you to another world, more powerfull than any other!
Gotta love classical music ^^
Cronocrata 3 years ago
Yes yes yes yes yes yes yes!
I'm with you all the way :D
thelightisahead 3 years ago
LOL yeah i noticed at 3:48. i know what you mean. Nice touch. And also about that 'arabic' feel at 4:06 that lolmanerik commented on - thats a nice bit of lib and baroque decoration. Just shows that they really are masters of their art.
DualThunder 3 years ago 2
wwaaahahaha. real maaasters. sounds like a decoration from a musician without education..nothing more.. I know muuuuch better Baroque players. They dom´t do this decorations in Bach. It is not Vivaldi. It is GERMAN music.
lolmanerik 3 years ago
Careful, you are writing about a time-period in which the International Style was quite solidified...
Do we not run the risk of coming-off a bit sophomoric, my friend?
isitvalottioryoung1 2 years ago
...sophomorically, I suppose, to make it an adverb...
isitvalottioryoung1 2 years ago
pedant
augustcaducus 2 years ago
Hey, I resemble that remark!
It's true.
I am occasionally guilty of pedantry. But only in the most delightful way!
isitvalottioryoung1 2 years ago
One of my favourite pieces. I love the chords at 1:12 and 3:41, and I really love the random variation at 3:47!
And cristine93 seems to be right. Correct me if im wrong, but it sounds more like Double Violin Concerto in C# minor rather than D minor.
Though it doesn't seem right to me transposing it down a semitone. I mean, violins can't exactly play a semitone lower than a low G... so yer.
Also... Manze looks like the guy from the master of disguise, when he's in the turtle outfit.
Sunfeather1 3 years ago
C# minor???????????
they are playing on period instruments...with pitch a=415Hz which means everything sounds a semitone lower...
bunchy26 3 years ago
indeed...
PeriodinstrumentfaN 3 years ago
funny chords at 3:48 - 3:50 from Mr. Manze.
4:06 - 4:08 sounds like some arabic piece. very funny performance!
lolmanerik 3 years ago
rly good
manofsteel7272 3 years ago
whoah there. what major/minor is this ?
i doesnt sound like the original version
haha ;D
very nice
cristine93 3 years ago
Excellent indeed!!!! Thank you so much for uploading this, along with Parts 1 and 2. I've been a big fan of Podger and Manze for a long long time, it's great to see some 'actions'!!
PC900 3 years ago
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Manze is a bit look-a-like with Mr. Bean. But i think Mr Bean would do a better job than Manze playing the violin.
00000ppp 3 years ago
Everyone knows Andrew Manze is the Harry Potter of Baroque musik.
...would Trevor Pinnock be Lord Voldemort then?
isitvalottioryoung1 3 years ago 2
lol :>
PeriodinstrumentfaN 3 years ago
I agree. hahaha. very lol. whats going on in violin world. I mean this r the proms right, everybody go look jascha heifetz. Manzeboy and iPodger should look and listen also.
lolmanerik 3 years ago
Improvising is more his rep. If it was her she was paying him back in his own is all. Better still if so. ;-)
AndSendMe 3 years ago
Why is she altering the music at 3:47?
firebreathone 3 years ago
no he is
kyleclef 3 years ago
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wrong key... freaking barok style. it is rather rock than barok!!!
gimaru1 3 years ago
it's baroque-_-
Arenn92 3 years ago
i love the bit at 3:40!!!! so much!!!!
kyleclef 3 years ago
very interesting way to play this piece :):)
I kinda liked trills here and there but certainly not on the second double stops
SSHIBAL99 3 years ago
really? The changes at 3.47 sends shivers of fresh tingles down my spine. Loved it.
monster0129 3 years ago
Well I think it really depends on one's taste; you may like it, some don't.
this reminds me of the conversation i had with a violin player. He liked Andrea Boceli's voice better than pavarotti's. but Parvarotti's the best.
SSHIBAL99 3 years ago
y r they undertuned?
Jcgoldenboy1313 4 years ago
they aren't, they are tuned to the Barouque "A"... as you should know Baroque strings were made of real gut, which made the tone different... so either their instruments are Baroque instruments (which i suspect) or they tuned to the Baroque "A".
violinbouii 4 years ago
yeah they should all be genuine Baroque instruments. If not actual antiques, Andrew Manze would have had them made. Check out their bows...Maybe they should wear wigs too...
monster0129 3 years ago
actually the BBC Proms Presented mentioned the instruments...I couldnt hear the one for Rachel, but Manze's is apparently a Gagliagno. Very nice violin. I played one once.
monster0129 3 years ago
@violinbouii Not just the strings, but Baroque violins/violas are not equipped with a bass bar. This not only affects depth of sound, but also stabilizes the frame of the instrument under the left foot of the bridge. This means they can't tune the instruments higher without risk of collapsing the whole top of the instrument. The average tension of Baroque strings is around 63 pounds; whereas, modern strings are usually around 80 pounds.
CountertenorJ 1 year ago
Baroque A is like A flat
Arenn92 3 years ago
y r they undertuned?
Jcgoldenboy1313 4 years ago
y r they undertuned?
Jcgoldenboy1313 4 years ago
Awsome! =]
Jcgoldenboy1313 4 years ago
Firstly, I'm not knocking this or anything, I think they play very well. But I don't like the way he starts, just before they play. I know us violinists like to, in fact need to, put that kinda pomp in our playing to enrich it, but to that extent, it just puts off people unfamiliar with classical music! I dunno
thelightisahead 4 years ago
I'm afraid I dont understand. What do you mean by "pomp"? That he is being too ceremonial? It's Andrew Manze, and he appeals to a particular audience. People who like him appreciate his interpretation (which is meant to be the genuine Baroque article). I had this conversation with a doctor (heart surgeon, actually) about whether classical music should try to cater to the masses.
monster0129 3 years ago
hmmm, ms. podger looks like she'd be shaking all up in it when she's doing the petite morte thing...wild!
darpuzw 4 years ago
perfect performence and constructıon
ibrahimxsgn 4 years ago
I loved the song!Who did the arrangement?Very tasty indeed,yes!
Alejandro914 4 years ago
i'd say it is adlib not arrangement. concerto would have been much better if they'd played the original note as it is^^
maestroshim 4 years ago
I wonder why people even try bashing musicians' interpretation of baroque period music. Isn't the music from the Baroque period of music open to interpretation so that the musician(s) decides how each piece is played?
mathfreak123 4 years ago 3
As much as I find musical snobbery to be completely and utterly stupid (especially when it comes from Bach fans who elevate him to Godlike levels), I find this presentation very distasteful. When I learned the concerto, I was enamoured with Oistrakh's rendition.
I think the whole thing was too agitated. I know what they were trying to accomplish, but I don't think it worked out.
chomskyFTW 4 years ago
This is perfect!Incredulity...
goldellie 4 years ago
You didn't mention that it's a complete mess. I can't here any counterpoint or harmony at all because the ensemble playing lacks any cohesion whatsoever and fails to make up for it in energy making for a truly worthless performance.
hbcapp 4 years ago
Are you a conductor?
chinosob 4 years ago 4