Vocal Widening Technique - TheRecordingRevolution.com

[ShadoutMusic]

He is makin us to think that this is too freakin good to belive... proof 3:01 "Ull see what u will find"..."Im finding it hard to belive" :)

[dolemic000G]

NAMASTE!!!

[brianlw23]

Man your voice on this video sounds like Judd Nelson from the Breakfast Club!

[duendelg]

thankkkkk uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu i love uuuuu no homoooooooo lol ^_^ o seriously thank u very much man :)

[EnMandsMusik]

I think the swedish group ABBA did that kind of thing all the time back in the 70 an 80'ties. Thats how they got their vocal to sond the way it did. They recorded voices back and forth to get the timediff. So its not a new idea but it is very easy to do in a DAW.

[Reaper1984]

I listened to this track example, and instantly i sang a harmony with it.

where is the vocal harmony? it would fit great!

[BeyondtheEndMetal]

Also, Graham, does the whole fake widening thing feel really weird on your ears compared to a natural double (recording the dub)?  For some reason it plays really weird tricks on my ears....lol sounds so weird almost like its not there..but it is...probably because its so perfect.

[recordingrevolution]

@BeyondtheEndMetal It's always better to do a natural double or triple if you can. If things sound weird then adjust the delay of the left and right tracks a bit till things sit better.

[BeyondtheEndMetal]

Graham, you said that you perceive the audio in the left ear louder? I've used the waves doubler for so many projects and the left was ALWAYS louder, but always showed up as the same volume on the meters and it was driving me NUTS...I've calibrated my monitors so much but this was freaking me out and screwing with me...do you happen to know why this happens?

[recordingrevolution]

@BeyondtheEndMetal I miss spoke in the video. It's purely because the left signal comes first in time (at least in this example). It is weird, and I just try to compensate for it till things sound right to me.

[thanosbikos]

@BeyondtheEndMetal It's because of psychoacoustics. Naturally, when a sound comes from your left, it comes to the left ear first and it is loud. Your right ear hears it delayed and weaker. When you create a delay in the console, you have the sound coming to the left ear first and then to the right, but on the same volume. That doesn't happen in nature though. So the brain, trying to interpret the source, perceives it as louder on the left because it came first, and you have to compensate.

[BeyondtheEndMetal]

@thanosbikos You know..that makes a ton of sense...In nature..something sitting directly in front of you doesn't come to one ear before it comes to the other....it arrives at the same time...so your mind is tricked and thinks the sound is coming from the left..almost as if the song was being played on the left side of your body instead of in front of you..yeah that makes total sense....thanks a ton. I usually have to compensate like 4-6 db to get it even...I thought my monitors were messed up.

[alfalfasprout69]

Thats Awesome... Thank you....

[rawstarmusic]

Yeah the widening technique works effective and well, thanks.

[CrankCase08]

So no one made a plug-in that does that widening effect from a single track?

[rikstar23]

Hi Graham, you say that we hear sound louder in the left than the right ear... is this documented or is it just your own observation. In my studio i often find the left monitor seems louder than the right, even tho the meters are showing equal levels and the mix is equally placed. I've checked and double checked the equipment and that seems fine. If its a scientifically observed phenomenon then that would explain a lot. Great video's by the way, clear and informative :-)

[jimgravesus]

Awesome. thanks.

[ThaGazza]

This reall helpful!!!!

[peakerone]

Great job

[silencekj]

That was very good! I've done the dub copy and shift the note a semitone but haven't shifted it left to right before. Love the tip. I will be watching you.

[14603256]

thanks for the tutorial

[165strat]

great stuff, thanks for your time !!!

[therightclique]

This is a great technique. I do have to disagree about our brains supposedly hearing things in the left first, as this is just false. The reason the one in the left sounded louder is because you made it play earlier. Our brains lock onto the first thing we hear and follow that. This would happen if you had done this with the track panned to the right too. Still a great technique. I also recommend adjusting the EQ and compression to be slightly different for each side to add even more variety.

[MythicalNumber]

This is all cool, thanks for the tip.....but what do you do processing wise?? How do you treat the 3 tracks with plugins? EQS, Comp, Verb, Delays and stuff? Are you putting the same FXS on all 3? How do you manage?

Thanks body.

[recordingrevolution]

@MythicalNumber Check out my video on this it's called Vocal Processing.

[davidbrucemusicvideo]

At 2:18 you say you can click ALT and click and drag to duplicate the vocal track. l'm trying to do that in Logic Pro 8 and can't seem to... Help! I'm trying to finish my album this week and am dying to try this!

[recordingrevolution]

@davidbrucemusicvideo This is a key command in Pro Tools. It is the same thing as copying and pasting.

[MythicalNumber]

@davidbrucemusicvideo

This is all cool, thanks for the tip.....but what do you do processing wise?? How do you treat the 3 tracks with plugins? EQS, Comp, Verb, Delays and stuff? Are you putting the same FXS on all 3? How do you manage?

Thanks body.

[perkinsgo]

dregnocandbenkproductions on myspace or just the com part

[RealtyStudioHD]

Freaking awesome tutorial! Please keep the vocal tutorials like this coming. There aren't near enough out there that are explained as well as yours.

[davidbrucemusicvideo]

Bummer, l put in the search bar that l was looking for this, but in Logic Pro. I still liked the idea and your teaching technique is good, so l'll try it in Logic Pro. I'm subbing ya too. Thanks, bro.

[Raindarsus]

@davidbrucemusicvideo That technic will work in any daw. I used it back when i didn't have a proper chorus when I was using cool edit... oh so long ago! lol. Now I use PT myself.

[Raindarsus]

You can actually just do that without having to do a re-dub of the voice. sames steps but with copies of the one good take you made.

[davidbrucemusicvideo]

@Raindarsus

Good point. That's how l do it, but l use Logic Pro 8.

[Raindarsus]

How to create a Chorus without using an actual chorus ;) 

[perkinsgo]

my company website, Dregnoc and Benk Productions, is under construction again since I changed my host from hostbaby to godaddy.com since it was more cost efficient. My myspace is dregnocandbenkproductions Let me know what you think and excuse the language on a couple of tracks. I am in the process of cleaning it up to become more commercial with my song choices.

[perkinsgo]

Graham, I am an independent music label and recording studio owner. I have been mixing and mastering on my own for about 5 years. I thank you for showing me that tip because I have a cousin that have been doing music for over 20 years that wouldn't show me that tip at all. I've seen it done using waves vst plug ins but I did not understand the science or reason behind it. I wished that you could be my mentor, if you had the time and patience to deal with me personally.

[recordingrevolution]

@perkinsgo So glad that this tip was helpful to you! I use it a lot, so I'm happy to share. That's cool that you have an indie label. Do you have a website to your stuff? Thanks for checking out the vid and keep up the mixing work!

[MrMCLOS]

WOW, really nice. Thank you, that is something i prob would have not heard from anyone else unless i paid them.

[recordingrevolution]

@MrMCLOS Thanks! I'm trying to help!

[PastorJayJay]

This is nice. If you listen with headphones you will hear the left ear science.

[editorskeys]

Great Video Graham, I agree I didn't know about the left ear tip.

[LukeSock]

Didn't know about that left ear tidbit. That was really cool and a great quality tutorial as usual, Graham!

[recordingrevolution]

@LukeSock Thanks Luke. Trying to be helpful!

[therightclique]

@LukeSock You didn't know about it because it isn't accurate. Your brain is just following what it hears first. This is actually a good way to make an instrument more audible in a mix. If you think the bass is hard to hear in a mix, include a bass intro. This will train the brain to hear and follow those tones. As far as the video goes, the exact same thing would happen if you had the right track playing earlier. You follow the thread of what you heard first. It's an aural illusion.

[LukeSock]

@therightclique Uh...