Lol, sportica needs to get a life. Stay at home mom and writer? Sounds like a sour puss who doesn't contribute to society except to complain about others. I am terrified to see what your children turn out like with a waaaa waaaa like you.
@MommaRed13, your Christlike postitivity glows with a holy light that is unlike any other. If joining Mary Kay will empower me with the love you so openly display to others, then perhaps I SHOULD sign up. Cheers.
Further more Marykay is all about putting your faith first family second and career third! and running your business with INTEGRITY. If you are a former consultant that wasnt successful stop blaming your director or prayer. You could have easily been adopted into another unit that wouldve been just as pleased to see you succeed even without personal gain. Those are lame excuses and as we all know EXCUSES ARE JUST LIES THAT NO ONE BELIEVES BUT YOU.
@MKpinkTV, I have never been in Mary Kay, so there goes your default argument. Now are you going to answer my question or no? Why haven't you made director or NSD yet?
@Sportica actually I am a Future director headed in to DIQ with 14 team members all who ORDER on the regular because they WORK and SELL on the regular. Take responsibility for YOUR short comings no one can "make" you successful but YOU. And the sooner you realize that the better off you will be. Sorry you had a poor experience it doesn't mean that everyone will.
@MKpinkTV, you said that "noone can make you successful but you." If that is true, why can't you get promoted in Mary Kay without recruiting others into the business? Clearly, those RECRUITS (and the qualifying inventory orders you try to get them to come in with) are what you depend on to hopefully make you successful.
Also, I've never been in Mary Kay. MKers look so silly when they automatically assume that all people who speak against MK are former IBCs who had "poor experiences." ;)
Marykay is all about uplifting women and helping them change their circumstances! for former consultants that did not succeed. Did you attend weekly success meetings? were you proactive in bringing in business. Or did you expect to cut open the box and magically be a million dollar sales director? With marykay. What you put in is EXACTLY what you get out. And as for recruiting the only way to move up the career path is by the CONTINUED success of your team members. Stop slandering my company
@MKpinkTV, and just how successful have YOU been in your Mary Kay business? Are you a director or NSD yet? Why not? You did claim that what you put in is exactly what you get out, after all.
The whole "continued success" is incorrect, as one moves us the career ladder based on how many recruits they get and how much they can get them to ORDER, not SELL. Mary Kay does not track actual retail sales to customers, so selling success matters very little in MK.
I tried MK a year ago. The products are so expensive and the company offers you no help in developing your business unless you want to fork over plenty of money. Mt leader was manipulative. More, the leaders in Chicago lied to me and my colleagues; they said that the free product we got with our larger initial order and subsequent orders we could actually sell back to the company if we decided to fold. This is far from the truth. Fortunately I broke even when I sold, but others end up losing.
Mary Kay has literally saved my life in more ways than one. Everything I read from the comments is totally false, I don't know what Mary Kay you guys are all talking about. Mary Kay is about so much more than "selling"
@megmarykay1, really? Are you TRULY prepared to tell everyone here that the quotes of the Mary Kay National Sales Directors and the magazines articles I have posted are "totally false?" If so, you are either ignorant or a liar, both of which are very desirable qualities in the Mary Kay world. And yes, you are right; Mary Kay is about so much more than selling. It's about recruiting, recruiting, recruiting. Why else would Mary Kay make it the ONLY way you can get a promotion?
Here's another great quote showing how much Mary Kay's founder respected men: “Frankly,” Mary Kay said, “Recruiting men is a waste of time. This company is for women, and I’m proud of it. I’m convinced that when God made men he was just practicing.” ~”The Hot Pink Empire of Mary Kay Ash,” Texas Monthly Magazine, 1979. No wonder Ash burned through five husbands, not counting the two who died. Call me crazy, but a true woman of God would not be disrespecting God's creation in this manner.
I agree that is a poor teaching! And those NSD's are not following the MK philosophy. My sales director encourages me to buy more product too, but I don't want to do my business that way. Remember we are independent consultants and we have the right to CHOOSE how to run our business. Good luck to you.
@danafamily1, while you do have the right to choose how you run your business, many Mary Kay leaders will tell you that you are dooming yourself to fail with such a "negative" attitude. I genuinely wish you luck as well, because you will truly be swimming against the tide by making decisions that are in YOUR best interest and not your director's. If you want to try a little experiment, ask your director what chargebacks and co-pays are and how many she gets. She'll LOVE that.
sportica: If I had a sales director or any level of any company teaching me to lie, I would question their integrity. Obviously your concerns are with these NSD's and you should rightfully call them out. I don't know what she is specifically saying that you feel is lying, but that does not mean every MK person is operating that way. You are judging the entire MK company and all its consultants based on some information that you received about a NSD!
@danafamily1, the NSD in question was teaching her followers to intentionally leave product out of a customer's orders so as to have an excuse to meet with her again and get her into a recruiting interview. That is flat-out lying. What's interesting is that when I personally contacted other NSDs about this teaching on FB, many of them dismissed my concerns and blocked me. Their actions speak extremely poorly of themselves and the supposedly "God first" company they represent.
@danafamily1, everyone in Mary Kay has to do the same thing in order to move up, which is to recruit and load those recruits up with big inventories. The scripts used to do this are rife with manipulation. Every MK person looking to move up the ladder IS operating that way, albeit on greater and lesser levels, and I have seen enough scripts to prove this. Some are less forceful in the manipulation, others are more subtle, but all are seeking the same end result.
I am surprised to see all the negative comments here! Apparently there are alot of successful women in Mary Kay, if you are not one of them maybe this business is not right for you. MK has wonderful products and many great causes, opportunities and influences. Maybe it's not the company or the opportunity that needs to change, it's your attitude!
@danafamily1, did you catch the top comment from NSD Dacia Wiegandt above? That NSD is actively teaching women how to LIE, and there are many top Mary Kay leaders just like her who are teaching the same sorts of things. How can pointing out such deplorable behavior be negative? Then again, you may have no problem with lying, in which case, Mary Kay would be just right for you. Shalom.
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@hsagal04 And this shows just how over-populated the Mary Kay consultant ecosphere is. Every discussion of Mary Kay brings consultants flocking to beg for customers. Even on the MK Facebook page ... comment after comment of "Hey, Sailor! Look at what I've got.".
I have seen a 50% increase in my business in the last 3 months! And I don't even go out and look for customers. Love the extra money, especially this time of year, property taxes and all!
I'm so proud to see Mary Kay recognized for the good it brings to so many people. I don't understand why people feel the need to talk so much trash ...jealous much?
@islandgirl3615, there's little to be jealous of. Consultants are rewarded silly awards based on how much they ORDERED, not how much they actually SOLD. That's like giving Wal-Mart a prize because they restocked the Charmin. And those "free" cars? They're not free at all. If whoever's driving them fails to meet their monthly ordering quotas, they pay big time on those cars or lose them altogether. It's far easier just to buy a decent car and keep it outright. p i n k t r u t h . c o m
@buns1983, there are still quotas to be made. Miss those quotas and you get no cash compensation to help you pay for that "free" car. It's still far better to buy a car outright using consistent money earned from a job, namely a job in which one's paycheck is not dependent on how much product one's unit orders (not sells) in a given month.
@islandgirl3615 jealous that you guys must purchase inventory all the time because the shady MK Co changes products and packaging ALL the time to MAKE CONSULTANTS BUY MORE, with no warning before hand, so there will no waiting and hold out to order? I am so jealous of that. And how shifty the Sds are? Mary Kay sucks and so does the products. And the company as well, and a majority of consultants It is a cult. Plain and simple cult/pyramid.
This is VERY simple. As a business, we buy all of our products needed for our business from MK. Other business have multiple 'vendors' - saves TONS of time to do it as a consultant this way with MKand her relevant products. It takes money to make money - duh. Buy inventory and sell it. Other get a commission based on how well you do. If you have good customer service & build, one becomes successful. Consultants only have product inventory as overhead. Good ethics help long term success.
@kseltrecht yes. Several GRAND. They try to push the Pearl status inventory on new recruit. Anywhere from like $4500 to 6gs. BEElieve me. My unit scanned obits, went to nursing homes and lurk around NA and AA meetings. SO yeah, I think so.
Oh my! How evil this company is! Become recession proof! Buy several grand in inventory and you will feed your family and earn a car. Does seem very enticing, no? I tried, but became aware of the women above me quite quickly, WITHOUT any internet sites.
nesube, Mary Kay Corporate may be running in the black...are you? I mean no disrespect, I just know the pressure of having to place those wholesale orders to reach the next level or to qualify for this or make production for that. As a former consultant I know that you do not make a true 50% profit off of sales, with hostess credits, monthly or quarterly sales you may run just to move product off your shelf to make room for the product you bought from that wholesale order you just placed...
@sunrisedawn10 So...Sunrisedawn...why weren't you selling your product each month? That is why you decided to become a consultant wasn't it? To make money? If you were ordering product and having to make "more room" for it...then you obviously "were not doing your job" now were you?
Since we're talking about ethical and godly behavior, let's look at some quotes from your Mary Kay NSDs. Here's one from NSD Dacia Wiegandt where she teaches MK consultants how to lie: "If [the customer] he says to me, “Well, I’ve actually gotta go because I gotta pick up my child,” what am I going to do? I’m going to leave something out of her product. So I have a reason to get back with her within 24 hours. Y’all have to think quick, y’all have to think on your toes."
Isn't that lovely? A top Mary Kay leader who claims that God is her business partner is openly telling IBCs to intentionally leave things out of a customer's order just so she can get that customer into a recruiting interview! That is dishonest, diabolical, and pure negativity as far as I am concerned.
@dancingbutterfly77, if you are referring to the "lie to customers" quote spoken by NSD Dacia Wiegandt, I transcribed that directly from a video of Wiegandt giving that speech at an Ortega Area Fall Advance in Kansas City.
I have been a Mary Kay Independent Beauty Consultant OWNER for 3 years. The difference is owner. The pyramid is the 8-5 I work everyday. There are several middle persons and forget about moving up unless someone dies or retires. If you are lazy and let people throw trash in your well, then so be it. No one pushes you to order products. As for the NSD that quit, that is her choice. It is a choice.
What does your Schedule C look like, Paula? What do your Mary Kay expenses look like on paper compared to what you are bringing in? If the expenses are considerably more than what you're making in take-home profit, well, that tells the real story on whether or not one is doing well in their business.
@Sportica - I probably wouldn't meet a former NSD. It is not a passing glance. NSD is top level management and if one would like to go for it they can. There are other management levels in Mary Kay. They are a choice - not mandatory. Depends on what a person wants. Hard work is hard work whether as a business owner or owned by a business.
@paula552003, I speak theoretically. You probably won't meet any former NSDs, but you have read the words of one right here. I personally would be reconsidering my MK business if a top Mary Kay leader was claiming that the top wasn't as peachy as it's being painted. After all, if someone at the TOP said she was frustrated and without payoff, what chance to the ranks BELOW her have?
@Sportica I don't understand all this hostility about this company. I respect that the company has survived for over 48 years, that the women that have made a career of it are happy, healthy, successful and have no regrets...isn't that what we all should expect from our careers choices? If you are someone in this discussion that it didn't work out for...it is no different than the other 5-10 other jobs that didn't work out for you in the past...understand?
@thedenversource, I have never been in the business. I have, however, researched what its leaders have taught to an end that would blow your mind. I have transcribed countless MK training CDs, watched videos, penned over fifty articles, and read enough MK training material to craft a stack three feet high. This company has survived for 48 years because it uses manipulation to trap and hold women within its system.
@thedenversource, in Mary Kay, women are commonly taught to avoid asking too many questions, always put on a happy face, always speak well of the company, and shut out any and all who would dare speak one thin word against it. That being said, how do you know that the women who made a career of it are TRULY "happy, healthy, and successful?" How do you know they are not merely putting on the Pollyana front that they are schooled in via their leaders and the general MK culture?
@paula552003, if you were looking to make NSD, and a woman who was a former NSD told you that she was a frustrated entrepreneur who worked hard without ever producing a payoff, wouldn't it make sense to give her claim more than a passing glance? If you make NSD someday, does that mean YOU will be a frustrated entrepreneur without payoff as well? Something to think about.
And Mary Kay is more than just selling of make-up, it is about women's empowerment. Making women feel good about themselves and them knowing that it doesn't take a lot to look good. You can always try before you by and WE make house calls. :) what other make-up company does that?
@jordanlne08 Um all the ones that I order from on the internet. You've heard of the internet right? I'd assume you have your own site and use CDS. Personally I'd rather have great products from Sephora or Ulta that don't give me cystic acne or cause allergic dermatitis that I pay to have delivered than the garbage I used to sell as an IBC. Oh and the companies above give me freebies and samples of products I'd actually like to use.
@kellyzat If you have issues with such frightening things as you mentioned in your statement above, perhaps you are battling something caused from factors "other" than your skin care regiment. Anything that I read with the word "cystic" in it...makes me think of other areas of the body..areas that we often use phrases like "practice safe s_ x"
I would like to point out that Mary Kay is equal marketing, NOT a pyramid scheme. You always make 50% commission of everything you sell, whether you have 0 team members or 200. If you do have team members though you get a percentage of the 50% that went to the company. Not from your team members. Make sure to get all the facts before you make any claims.
@manzyjoy86 The graduated commission structure for recruiting is the very definition of a pyramid scheme. You know very well that you commission at 5 agents on what they sell provided they are 'active' and ordering at Star level each quarter. Don't be disingenuous, we've been there and done that. If you had 200 active ladies at Star Level you'd be called oh a Sales Director or a National Sales Director.
Haters gonna hate... Every business has folks that will misrepresent the company's values. Mary Kay gives women freedom and in that freedom some have unethical practices. My wife has used this business to pour into women and I have witnessed lives changed. If its not for you then pass... If you want to get rich quick buy a lotto ticket. With MK you have to work and it has ups and downs, but the inherent system doesn't burn you; lazy or unethical practices do. I know because I've seen it...
@JeepinNorCal, as a husband, did you know that Mary Kay culture is against you from the get-go? Are you aware of the "Husband Unawareness Program," that is taught by so many Mary Kay leaders? It's a tee-hee way to address women going behind their husband's backs in order to "find a way, make a way" in their Mary Kay businesses. If that isn't unethical, disrespectful, and ungodly, nothing is.
@Sportica - It is not the culture of the entire company that you speak of. I have met hundreds of woman in the business and yes, some are quite unethical, but the majority are not. Every organization has folks that do it wrong... I can only speak for my wife and how she treats her unit and how her and the other directors are treated by their NSD.
@JeepinNorCal, can you prove to me that the majority of women in Mary Kay are not "unethical?" Probably not. But you CAN look at what leaders in MK are teaching women like your wife as necessary for Mary Kay success. There are countless examples in which women are instructed to listen to their leaders and heed their guidance because hey, they're higher on the food chain than everyone else. And that's where things get dodgy.
@Sportica - You are correct that I cannot prove that the majority are ethical. I am only testifying to the hundreds that I have met... You are right that some are shady, I am not trying to suggest otherwise and I am sorry someone was unethical to you- it is clear that they scammed you in some way, or that you weren't listening well. Your sheer number of posts lets us see your frustration. I hope you can find something positive to focus your energies on so that you wont have to attack others.
@JeepinNorCal, I do not post to attack, only to warn. If you consider the posting of manipulative quotes from Mary Kay leaders as "negative," then so be it; you are free to think as you wish. Do consider, however, that I am not the one teaching women how to lie to their customers, how to go behind their husband's backs, and how to twist a "yes" answer out of every woman within three feet of her. I am merely the one calling these deceivers out.
@Sportica What are you talking about?? Did you know that husbands are encouraged to go to meetings, and treated just as good as their wife consultants, because the MK opportunity is all about family and togetherness. I don't know why your so upset with MK but I wish you would get your facts together before you slander a company that has worked so hard to uphold it's image and integrity.
@dancingbutterfly77, my facts are solid and husbands in MK are disrespected to a degree that is sickening. One overcoming objections script has this response to a customer's buying objection of, "I have to ask my husband first" : "...sometimes husbands don’t understand the value of cosmetics…If you ask him tonight and he says no, you won’t get it. If you buy it today and he has a fit, you still got it! I've never heard of a divorce over a MK set." Integrity? None.
@Sportica And it is not just husbands.My mom said in front of my SD that she was not participating in the first facial party at our units building and I was told that she is not allowed back...I got very offended and said if she cannot come, I won't come..and then she (SD) told me that she needs to be more positive, and participate! I said my mom can do what she wants! Who are you to tell me and my mother how to act?
@Sportica Also, in HS I took electives and one was Sociology and I went to college and studied Sociology and Psych. Mary Kay is a cult. I am a Catholic, and my unit tried to make me pray w/ them, and I could and would not. I over heard the Caddy car director and she said to my SD "work on this with her or I will have to. I am worried about her. With all these new recruits, she must keep her mouth shut!" I knew it was about me.
@dancingbutterfly77, husbands are the fifth wheel in Mary Kay. Check out this quote from Alan Farnham’s Fortune article “Mary Kay’s Lessons in Leadership" that talks about MK Seminar and husbands: “In general, Seminar speaks to husbands with a candor that would get another company in hot water, were the sex roles reversed. A husband’s highest function, it’s implied, is to support his wife’s career. If for some reason he can’t do that, he should get out of the way."
@Sportica I just bing that, by copy and paste from the words you wrote. Pulled it right on up. I do wish I could comment, and he seriously needs to use more paragraphs!
@dancingbutterfly77 here's more quotes from that Fortune article: 1. “One Seminar woman told a group of husbands, “Don’t put barriers in my way. Put the bags in the car.” 2. "At Seminar, husbands know, without being told, that they’re fifth wheels here and that their job is to be quiet and not get into trouble.” Sounds to me that husbands are treated "just as good as their wife consultants" as long as they are good little boys who play along and keep their mouths shut, no?
@kellyzat, I have been in Mary Kay 21 yrs and have experienced the business at several levels. It's obvious based on your comments Mary Kay is not for you but that's fine. People like me will continue to make the money, take the trips and have an option other than a 9 to 5 job. Wish you well in your endeavors. gghappy2b
@SuperHumanRadioTV, you've been in 21 years and you're not sitting at the top? If you were in a conventional Corporate american job and a Mary Kay recruiter heard that, she'd be screaming for you to join Mary Kay.
Doesn't it bother you that you have been working your tail off in a job that gives you no retirement benefits, no medical or dental benefits, and can fire you at the drop of a hat per the language in the Consultant Agreement?
@Sportica - Also, MK rewards retail sales with National Court of Sales at Seminar. The rewards (I'm assuming you mean the Star program) with wholesale orders comes from the concept that if you are moving product (making the sales), you need to replenish your inventory with a wholesale order. If you are doing this consistently, you will reach a specific levels and the company will offer you a reward.
@RegalRysse, Mary Kay does NOT track actual retail sales to non-consultant customers. Court of Sales is awarded based on WHOLESALE ORDERS placed by consultants, period. There is no guarantee that a woman who made Court of Sales actually sold all that product at full retail, nor is there proof, since retail sales - again - is not tracked. It is an award that is based on pure speculation.
@Sportica - No one is lying. Everyone is CAPABLE of being a consultant - not everyone may CHOOSE to do it. You need no background in sales or any other formal training. There are many people who join, truly see what it's about and after a yr, decide it's not for them. I'm sorry that you dealt with someone who "work so hard to overcome objections and get that "yes" answer". That's not what the company is about. My personal belief.. if everyone was a consultant, there would be no customers.
@RegalRysse, Without the yes, you get no promotion, no pink car, no commission check, and no hope of ever making National Sales Director. One of NSD Pamela Shaw's training documents told directors to "Push through to a win" when it came to getting a signed agreement. You say getting the yes answer is not what the company is about, and yet I don't see Mary Kay Corporate telling NSD Shaw to put a sock in it.
Red Flag #1: Mary Kay rewards wholesale orders, not actual retail sales. That's like rewarding Starbucks just because they restocked their cups. Red Flag #2: You cannot promote yourself unless you recruit, and you will never make the bigger bucks unless you recruit. The best part? Former NSD Allison LaMarr quit Mary Kay in 2010, admitting that she was a "frustrated entrepreneur" who was "working extremely hard without ever producing a payoff.” p i n k t r u t h . c o m
Since Mary Kay is a sales job, wouldn't it make sense for Corporate to reward consultants for what they actually SOLD to retail customers? Prizes, titles, and cars in MK are all based on how much product is ordered, and the only way you get promoted is to recruit. Even worse, the only way a recruited person will count towards a prize, title, or "free" car is if you can get THEM to order at least $600 in product. Actual sales does not appear to matter one iota in Mary Kay.
@buns1983, your expenses have to come out of that 50%, so IBCs are not getting a full 50% profit. I would love to see your Schedule C after 9 years in, because I'll bet it can provide some very telling statistics. I do applaud you for not recruiting, but unfortunately, there are NSDs in MK (such as Anita Garrett-Roe) who are teaching consultants that stealing customers from women like you is perfectly okay.
@Sportica I agree my expenses come out of that 50%. But my only expenses are the $8.75 I'm charged for shipping and the $3.50 used to purchase 10 catalogs every 3 months. So, in 3 months, my expenses total $29.75. I sell approximately $250 a month which would give me a profit of $125 a month, or $375 for three months minus my $29.75 in expenses which means I still take in $345.25. I would say that is good money for the no more than 10 hours I put into it a month.
@buns1983, with all due respect, there are more expenses than just shipping costs and catalogs. IBCs can expect to spend their profits on samples and supplies, gift with purchase, any MK events (such as Seminar), packaging, advertising, business supplies, telephone, auto expenses, personal website, interest expense, training (via CDs and other methods), child care, clothing, and expired/outdated product. Not all of these may apply to your situation, but I bet many of them do.
@Sportica As for having customers stolen from me, so be it. If my customers feel like I am not serving them efficiently they can move on. My parents have had a retail business for the past 35 years. Gaining and losing customers is a part of retail. I have also learned that 50% profit before expenses is an excellent profit margin since most retail stores operate on a 30-40% profit margin before expenses.
@buns1983, the customer-stealing issue is simply an observation, is all. Personally, it would bother me knowing that I worked for a company who had leaders who were deliberately working against my efforts to build a business or who called me "selfish" because I failed to recruit others into the system. (It is quite common for Mary Kay NSDs to refer to women such as yourself in this manner)
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@Sportica May I ask how you get "Promoted" in your job? I've been in corporate for several years...and yes, sales are VERY important...but mentoring others to do what I do is more important...doesn't that make more sense? What I read on this site is a lot of whining...excuse making...lazy ladies...looking for easy money and willing to trash talk all the hard working women of today for taking charge of their lives...I say...start acting your age already...if your under 12 years...go to bed!
@thedenversource, I don't need a promotion. I am a stay-at-home mom and a writer, and therefore the CEO of my own business. You have been given quotes and explanations and yet you refuse to hear. Therefore, I say again: believe whatever you wish, but I will say this: You are not completely confident in your almighty opportunity, because I can smell your defensiveness straight through the monitor. Cheers.
Mary Kay is definitely not a pyramid, consultants order product directly from the company and sell to customers. Team members do not order from their recruiters at a different price, they order exactly the same way everyone else does (directly from the company). It is all direct sales and there are no middlemen like you find with pyramids. This was a great story to show success is still possible, regardless of our economy's situation. Kellyzat, you should really read up on the company more.
kellyzat, you can rest assured this is not a scheme!! I have been a Mary Kay Independent Consultant for several years and very proud to represent a company that is financially secure operating totally in the black. By no means is this a pyramid and I would suggest that you do some research and speak with several people in the Mary Kay family to make sure you are speaking correctly. Thank you ABC for airing this feel good story!
@nesube, it's financially secure because Mary Kay's customers are its own consultants, and new consultants are the ones being conned into ordering huge inventory packages the day they sign their agreements. National Sales Director Pam Shaw even admitted in one of her training documents that the biggest source of director production comes from new consultants. Why wouldn't the biggest source of production be coming from seasoned consultants who supposedly know how to sell? Just a thought.
It's no scheme, kellyzat.. I've been a MK consultant for 3 years and haven't recruited a single person. Sales alone. For certain rewards, it is a team effort so it does benefit you to grow your team, but it's far from mandatory. And a lot of people recruit themselves, decide they want the opportunity and do the work to get what they want. The stories that you hear of where people were when they began and seeing what they've accomplished since... that's inspiring. It's not for everyone though.
@RegalRysse, if it's not for everyone, then why do recruiters work so hard to convince people in the recruiting interview that it IS for everyone? Why do they work so hard to overcome objections and get that "yes" answer?
NSD Natalie Privette-Jones once said on a training CD, "“Anybody can do Mary Kay – all you have to do is be excited and have fun!” If Mary Kay is supposedly not for everyone, which one of you is lying?
Lol, sportica needs to get a life. Stay at home mom and writer? Sounds like a sour puss who doesn't contribute to society except to complain about others. I am terrified to see what your children turn out like with a waaaa waaaa like you.
MommaRed13 3 weeks ago
@MommaRed13, your Christlike postitivity glows with a holy light that is unlike any other. If joining Mary Kay will empower me with the love you so openly display to others, then perhaps I SHOULD sign up. Cheers.
Sportica 2 days ago
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sendmypdf1 3 weeks ago
What a great story. I know I support The best Mary Kay Rep Ever... Naomi Thompson in Jacksonville, NC!
gotsonny1 1 month ago
Further more Marykay is all about putting your faith first family second and career third! and running your business with INTEGRITY. If you are a former consultant that wasnt successful stop blaming your director or prayer. You could have easily been adopted into another unit that wouldve been just as pleased to see you succeed even without personal gain. Those are lame excuses and as we all know EXCUSES ARE JUST LIES THAT NO ONE BELIEVES BUT YOU.
MKpinkTV 1 month ago
@MKpinkTV, I have never been in Mary Kay, so there goes your default argument. Now are you going to answer my question or no? Why haven't you made director or NSD yet?
Sportica 1 month ago
@Sportica actually I am a Future director headed in to DIQ with 14 team members all who ORDER on the regular because they WORK and SELL on the regular. Take responsibility for YOUR short comings no one can "make" you successful but YOU. And the sooner you realize that the better off you will be. Sorry you had a poor experience it doesn't mean that everyone will.
MKpinkTV 3 days ago
@MKpinkTV, you said that "noone can make you successful but you." If that is true, why can't you get promoted in Mary Kay without recruiting others into the business? Clearly, those RECRUITS (and the qualifying inventory orders you try to get them to come in with) are what you depend on to hopefully make you successful.
Also, I've never been in Mary Kay. MKers look so silly when they automatically assume that all people who speak against MK are former IBCs who had "poor experiences." ;)
Sportica 2 days ago
Marykay is all about uplifting women and helping them change their circumstances! for former consultants that did not succeed. Did you attend weekly success meetings? were you proactive in bringing in business. Or did you expect to cut open the box and magically be a million dollar sales director? With marykay. What you put in is EXACTLY what you get out. And as for recruiting the only way to move up the career path is by the CONTINUED success of your team members. Stop slandering my company
MKpinkTV 1 month ago
@MKpinkTV, and just how successful have YOU been in your Mary Kay business? Are you a director or NSD yet? Why not? You did claim that what you put in is exactly what you get out, after all.
The whole "continued success" is incorrect, as one moves us the career ladder based on how many recruits they get and how much they can get them to ORDER, not SELL. Mary Kay does not track actual retail sales to customers, so selling success matters very little in MK.
Sportica 1 month ago 3
I tried MK a year ago. The products are so expensive and the company offers you no help in developing your business unless you want to fork over plenty of money. Mt leader was manipulative. More, the leaders in Chicago lied to me and my colleagues; they said that the free product we got with our larger initial order and subsequent orders we could actually sell back to the company if we decided to fold. This is far from the truth. Fortunately I broke even when I sold, but others end up losing.
wooskigradle 1 month ago
Mary Kay has literally saved my life in more ways than one. Everything I read from the comments is totally false, I don't know what Mary Kay you guys are all talking about. Mary Kay is about so much more than "selling"
megmarykay1 1 month ago
@megmarykay1, really? Are you TRULY prepared to tell everyone here that the quotes of the Mary Kay National Sales Directors and the magazines articles I have posted are "totally false?" If so, you are either ignorant or a liar, both of which are very desirable qualities in the Mary Kay world. And yes, you are right; Mary Kay is about so much more than selling. It's about recruiting, recruiting, recruiting. Why else would Mary Kay make it the ONLY way you can get a promotion?
Sportica 1 month ago 7
Here's another great quote showing how much Mary Kay's founder respected men: “Frankly,” Mary Kay said, “Recruiting men is a waste of time. This company is for women, and I’m proud of it. I’m convinced that when God made men he was just practicing.” ~”The Hot Pink Empire of Mary Kay Ash,” Texas Monthly Magazine, 1979. No wonder Ash burned through five husbands, not counting the two who died. Call me crazy, but a true woman of God would not be disrespecting God's creation in this manner.
Sportica 1 month ago 5
I agree that is a poor teaching! And those NSD's are not following the MK philosophy. My sales director encourages me to buy more product too, but I don't want to do my business that way. Remember we are independent consultants and we have the right to CHOOSE how to run our business. Good luck to you.
danafamily1 2 months ago
@danafamily1, while you do have the right to choose how you run your business, many Mary Kay leaders will tell you that you are dooming yourself to fail with such a "negative" attitude. I genuinely wish you luck as well, because you will truly be swimming against the tide by making decisions that are in YOUR best interest and not your director's. If you want to try a little experiment, ask your director what chargebacks and co-pays are and how many she gets. She'll LOVE that.
Sportica 2 months ago 2
sportica: If I had a sales director or any level of any company teaching me to lie, I would question their integrity. Obviously your concerns are with these NSD's and you should rightfully call them out. I don't know what she is specifically saying that you feel is lying, but that does not mean every MK person is operating that way. You are judging the entire MK company and all its consultants based on some information that you received about a NSD!
danafamily1 2 months ago
@danafamily1, the NSD in question was teaching her followers to intentionally leave product out of a customer's orders so as to have an excuse to meet with her again and get her into a recruiting interview. That is flat-out lying. What's interesting is that when I personally contacted other NSDs about this teaching on FB, many of them dismissed my concerns and blocked me. Their actions speak extremely poorly of themselves and the supposedly "God first" company they represent.
Sportica 2 months ago 6
@danafamily1, everyone in Mary Kay has to do the same thing in order to move up, which is to recruit and load those recruits up with big inventories. The scripts used to do this are rife with manipulation. Every MK person looking to move up the ladder IS operating that way, albeit on greater and lesser levels, and I have seen enough scripts to prove this. Some are less forceful in the manipulation, others are more subtle, but all are seeking the same end result.
Sportica 2 months ago 5
"How do you explain the continued success with MK in this economy?"
Frontloading.
MBHBCB 2 months ago 5
I am surprised to see all the negative comments here! Apparently there are alot of successful women in Mary Kay, if you are not one of them maybe this business is not right for you. MK has wonderful products and many great causes, opportunities and influences. Maybe it's not the company or the opportunity that needs to change, it's your attitude!
danafamily1 2 months ago
@danafamily1, did you catch the top comment from NSD Dacia Wiegandt above? That NSD is actively teaching women how to LIE, and there are many top Mary Kay leaders just like her who are teaching the same sorts of things. How can pointing out such deplorable behavior be negative? Then again, you may have no problem with lying, in which case, Mary Kay would be just right for you. Shalom.
Sportica 2 months ago 2
For anyone interested I am a MK consultant and offer free facials and gifts to first time costumers if you're iterested just reply to this comment or send a message I'll be happy to assist you. No matter where you live.
hsagal04 2 months ago
@hsagal04 And this shows just how over-populated the Mary Kay consultant ecosphere is. Every discussion of Mary Kay brings consultants flocking to beg for customers. Even on the MK Facebook page ... comment after comment of "Hey, Sailor! Look at what I've got.".
GagMeStudios 1 month ago 4
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buns1983 2 months ago
I have seen a 50% increase in my business in the last 3 months! And I don't even go out and look for customers. Love the extra money, especially this time of year, property taxes and all!
buns1983 2 months ago
How long have you had your MK business?
Sportica 2 months ago
@Sportica 9 years. I don't recruit, go to meetings or keep inventory.
buns1983 2 months ago
Mary Kay is a "bright spot" for so many of my friends who work for themselves! what a great opportunity Mary Kay offers.
jennrut 2 months ago
I'm so proud to see Mary Kay recognized for the good it brings to so many people. I don't understand why people feel the need to talk so much trash ...jealous much?
islandgirl3615 2 months ago
@islandgirl3615, there's little to be jealous of. Consultants are rewarded silly awards based on how much they ORDERED, not how much they actually SOLD. That's like giving Wal-Mart a prize because they restocked the Charmin. And those "free" cars? They're not free at all. If whoever's driving them fails to meet their monthly ordering quotas, they pay big time on those cars or lose them altogether. It's far easier just to buy a decent car and keep it outright. p i n k t r u t h . c o m
Sportica 2 months ago 3
@Sportica So instead of taking the car, take the cash compensation and put it towards your own car!
buns1983 2 months ago
@buns1983, there are still quotas to be made. Miss those quotas and you get no cash compensation to help you pay for that "free" car. It's still far better to buy a car outright using consistent money earned from a job, namely a job in which one's paycheck is not dependent on how much product one's unit orders (not sells) in a given month.
Sportica 2 months ago 2
@islandgirl3615 jealous that you guys must purchase inventory all the time because the shady MK Co changes products and packaging ALL the time to MAKE CONSULTANTS BUY MORE, with no warning before hand, so there will no waiting and hold out to order? I am so jealous of that. And how shifty the Sds are? Mary Kay sucks and so does the products. And the company as well, and a majority of consultants It is a cult. Plain and simple cult/pyramid.
DeeMarieGK 1 month ago
This is VERY simple. As a business, we buy all of our products needed for our business from MK. Other business have multiple 'vendors' - saves TONS of time to do it as a consultant this way with MKand her relevant products. It takes money to make money - duh. Buy inventory and sell it. Other get a commission based on how well you do. If you have good customer service & build, one becomes successful. Consultants only have product inventory as overhead. Good ethics help long term success.
sarahethompson1 2 months ago
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MultiAhka 2 months ago
several grand? I don't think so
kseltrecht 2 months ago
@kseltrecht yes. Several GRAND. They try to push the Pearl status inventory on new recruit. Anywhere from like $4500 to 6gs. BEElieve me. My unit scanned obits, went to nursing homes and lurk around NA and AA meetings. SO yeah, I think so.
DeeMarieGK 1 month ago
Oh my! How evil this company is! Become recession proof! Buy several grand in inventory and you will feed your family and earn a car. Does seem very enticing, no? I tried, but became aware of the women above me quite quickly, WITHOUT any internet sites.
DeeMarieGK 2 months ago
nesube, Mary Kay Corporate may be running in the black...are you? I mean no disrespect, I just know the pressure of having to place those wholesale orders to reach the next level or to qualify for this or make production for that. As a former consultant I know that you do not make a true 50% profit off of sales, with hostess credits, monthly or quarterly sales you may run just to move product off your shelf to make room for the product you bought from that wholesale order you just placed...
sunrisedawn10 2 months ago
@sunrisedawn10 So...Sunrisedawn...why weren't you selling your product each month? That is why you decided to become a consultant wasn't it? To make money? If you were ordering product and having to make "more room" for it...then you obviously "were not doing your job" now were you?
thedenversource 2 months ago 2
Since we're talking about ethical and godly behavior, let's look at some quotes from your Mary Kay NSDs. Here's one from NSD Dacia Wiegandt where she teaches MK consultants how to lie: "If [the customer] he says to me, “Well, I’ve actually gotta go because I gotta pick up my child,” what am I going to do? I’m going to leave something out of her product. So I have a reason to get back with her within 24 hours. Y’all have to think quick, y’all have to think on your toes."
Sportica 2 months ago 5
Isn't that lovely? A top Mary Kay leader who claims that God is her business partner is openly telling IBCs to intentionally leave things out of a customer's order just so she can get that customer into a recruiting interview! That is dishonest, diabolical, and pure negativity as far as I am concerned.
Sportica 2 months ago 2
@Sportica Where did you find that quote from?
dancingbutterfly77 1 month ago
@dancingbutterfly77, if you are referring to the "lie to customers" quote spoken by NSD Dacia Wiegandt, I transcribed that directly from a video of Wiegandt giving that speech at an Ortega Area Fall Advance in Kansas City.
Sportica 1 month ago 2
I have been a Mary Kay Independent Beauty Consultant OWNER for 3 years. The difference is owner. The pyramid is the 8-5 I work everyday. There are several middle persons and forget about moving up unless someone dies or retires. If you are lazy and let people throw trash in your well, then so be it. No one pushes you to order products. As for the NSD that quit, that is her choice. It is a choice.
paula552003 2 months ago
What does your Schedule C look like, Paula? What do your Mary Kay expenses look like on paper compared to what you are bringing in? If the expenses are considerably more than what you're making in take-home profit, well, that tells the real story on whether or not one is doing well in their business.
Sportica 2 months ago 9
@Sportica - I probably wouldn't meet a former NSD. It is not a passing glance. NSD is top level management and if one would like to go for it they can. There are other management levels in Mary Kay. They are a choice - not mandatory. Depends on what a person wants. Hard work is hard work whether as a business owner or owned by a business.
paula552003 2 months ago
@paula552003, I speak theoretically. You probably won't meet any former NSDs, but you have read the words of one right here. I personally would be reconsidering my MK business if a top Mary Kay leader was claiming that the top wasn't as peachy as it's being painted. After all, if someone at the TOP said she was frustrated and without payoff, what chance to the ranks BELOW her have?
Sportica 2 months ago
@Sportica I don't understand all this hostility about this company. I respect that the company has survived for over 48 years, that the women that have made a career of it are happy, healthy, successful and have no regrets...isn't that what we all should expect from our careers choices? If you are someone in this discussion that it didn't work out for...it is no different than the other 5-10 other jobs that didn't work out for you in the past...understand?
thedenversource 2 months ago
@thedenversource, I have never been in the business. I have, however, researched what its leaders have taught to an end that would blow your mind. I have transcribed countless MK training CDs, watched videos, penned over fifty articles, and read enough MK training material to craft a stack three feet high. This company has survived for 48 years because it uses manipulation to trap and hold women within its system.
Sportica 2 months ago 7
@thedenversource, in Mary Kay, women are commonly taught to avoid asking too many questions, always put on a happy face, always speak well of the company, and shut out any and all who would dare speak one thin word against it. That being said, how do you know that the women who made a career of it are TRULY "happy, healthy, and successful?" How do you know they are not merely putting on the Pollyana front that they are schooled in via their leaders and the general MK culture?
Sportica 2 months ago 6
@paula552003, if you were looking to make NSD, and a woman who was a former NSD told you that she was a frustrated entrepreneur who worked hard without ever producing a payoff, wouldn't it make sense to give her claim more than a passing glance? If you make NSD someday, does that mean YOU will be a frustrated entrepreneur without payoff as well? Something to think about.
Sportica 2 months ago
And Mary Kay is more than just selling of make-up, it is about women's empowerment. Making women feel good about themselves and them knowing that it doesn't take a lot to look good. You can always try before you by and WE make house calls. :) what other make-up company does that?
jordanlne08 2 months ago
@jordanlne08 Um all the ones that I order from on the internet. You've heard of the internet right? I'd assume you have your own site and use CDS. Personally I'd rather have great products from Sephora or Ulta that don't give me cystic acne or cause allergic dermatitis that I pay to have delivered than the garbage I used to sell as an IBC. Oh and the companies above give me freebies and samples of products I'd actually like to use.
kellyzat 2 months ago
@kellyzat If you have issues with such frightening things as you mentioned in your statement above, perhaps you are battling something caused from factors "other" than your skin care regiment. Anything that I read with the word "cystic" in it...makes me think of other areas of the body..areas that we often use phrases like "practice safe s_ x"
thedenversource 2 months ago
I would like to point out that Mary Kay is equal marketing, NOT a pyramid scheme. You always make 50% commission of everything you sell, whether you have 0 team members or 200. If you do have team members though you get a percentage of the 50% that went to the company. Not from your team members. Make sure to get all the facts before you make any claims.
manzyjoy86 2 months ago
@manzyjoy86 The graduated commission structure for recruiting is the very definition of a pyramid scheme. You know very well that you commission at 5 agents on what they sell provided they are 'active' and ordering at Star level each quarter. Don't be disingenuous, we've been there and done that. If you had 200 active ladies at Star Level you'd be called oh a Sales Director or a National Sales Director.
kellyzat 2 months ago
Haters gonna hate... Every business has folks that will misrepresent the company's values. Mary Kay gives women freedom and in that freedom some have unethical practices. My wife has used this business to pour into women and I have witnessed lives changed. If its not for you then pass... If you want to get rich quick buy a lotto ticket. With MK you have to work and it has ups and downs, but the inherent system doesn't burn you; lazy or unethical practices do. I know because I've seen it...
JeepinNorCal 2 months ago 2
@JeepinNorCal, as a husband, did you know that Mary Kay culture is against you from the get-go? Are you aware of the "Husband Unawareness Program," that is taught by so many Mary Kay leaders? It's a tee-hee way to address women going behind their husband's backs in order to "find a way, make a way" in their Mary Kay businesses. If that isn't unethical, disrespectful, and ungodly, nothing is.
Sportica 2 months ago 2
@Sportica - It is not the culture of the entire company that you speak of. I have met hundreds of woman in the business and yes, some are quite unethical, but the majority are not. Every organization has folks that do it wrong... I can only speak for my wife and how she treats her unit and how her and the other directors are treated by their NSD.
JeepinNorCal 2 months ago
@JeepinNorCal, can you prove to me that the majority of women in Mary Kay are not "unethical?" Probably not. But you CAN look at what leaders in MK are teaching women like your wife as necessary for Mary Kay success. There are countless examples in which women are instructed to listen to their leaders and heed their guidance because hey, they're higher on the food chain than everyone else. And that's where things get dodgy.
Who is your wife's NSD, by the way?
Sportica 2 months ago
@Sportica - You are correct that I cannot prove that the majority are ethical. I am only testifying to the hundreds that I have met... You are right that some are shady, I am not trying to suggest otherwise and I am sorry someone was unethical to you- it is clear that they scammed you in some way, or that you weren't listening well. Your sheer number of posts lets us see your frustration. I hope you can find something positive to focus your energies on so that you wont have to attack others.
JeepinNorCal 2 months ago
@JeepinNorCal, I do not post to attack, only to warn. If you consider the posting of manipulative quotes from Mary Kay leaders as "negative," then so be it; you are free to think as you wish. Do consider, however, that I am not the one teaching women how to lie to their customers, how to go behind their husband's backs, and how to twist a "yes" answer out of every woman within three feet of her. I am merely the one calling these deceivers out.
Sportica 2 months ago 11
@JeepinNorCal, also, I didn't catch the name of your wife's NSD. Would you be so kind as to tell me who she is?
Sportica 2 months ago
@Sportica What are you talking about?? Did you know that husbands are encouraged to go to meetings, and treated just as good as their wife consultants, because the MK opportunity is all about family and togetherness. I don't know why your so upset with MK but I wish you would get your facts together before you slander a company that has worked so hard to uphold it's image and integrity.
dancingbutterfly77 1 month ago
@dancingbutterfly77, my facts are solid and husbands in MK are disrespected to a degree that is sickening. One overcoming objections script has this response to a customer's buying objection of, "I have to ask my husband first" : "...sometimes husbands don’t understand the value of cosmetics…If you ask him tonight and he says no, you won’t get it. If you buy it today and he has a fit, you still got it! I've never heard of a divorce over a MK set." Integrity? None.
Sportica 1 month ago 5
@Sportica And it is not just husbands.My mom said in front of my SD that she was not participating in the first facial party at our units building and I was told that she is not allowed back...I got very offended and said if she cannot come, I won't come..and then she (SD) told me that she needs to be more positive, and participate! I said my mom can do what she wants! Who are you to tell me and my mother how to act?
DeeMarieGK 1 month ago
@Sportica Also, in HS I took electives and one was Sociology and I went to college and studied Sociology and Psych. Mary Kay is a cult. I am a Catholic, and my unit tried to make me pray w/ them, and I could and would not. I over heard the Caddy car director and she said to my SD "work on this with her or I will have to. I am worried about her. With all these new recruits, she must keep her mouth shut!" I knew it was about me.
DeeMarieGK 1 month ago
@dancingbutterfly77, husbands are the fifth wheel in Mary Kay. Check out this quote from Alan Farnham’s Fortune article “Mary Kay’s Lessons in Leadership" that talks about MK Seminar and husbands: “In general, Seminar speaks to husbands with a candor that would get another company in hot water, were the sex roles reversed. A husband’s highest function, it’s implied, is to support his wife’s career. If for some reason he can’t do that, he should get out of the way."
Sportica 1 month ago 4
@Sportica I just bing that, by copy and paste from the words you wrote. Pulled it right on up. I do wish I could comment, and he seriously needs to use more paragraphs!
DeeMarieGK 1 month ago
@dancingbutterfly77 here's more quotes from that Fortune article: 1. “One Seminar woman told a group of husbands, “Don’t put barriers in my way. Put the bags in the car.” 2. "At Seminar, husbands know, without being told, that they’re fifth wheels here and that their job is to be quiet and not get into trouble.” Sounds to me that husbands are treated "just as good as their wife consultants" as long as they are good little boys who play along and keep their mouths shut, no?
Sportica 1 month ago 3
@kellyzat, I have been in Mary Kay 21 yrs and have experienced the business at several levels. It's obvious based on your comments Mary Kay is not for you but that's fine. People like me will continue to make the money, take the trips and have an option other than a 9 to 5 job. Wish you well in your endeavors. gghappy2b
SuperHumanRadioTV 2 months ago
@SuperHumanRadioTV, you've been in 21 years and you're not sitting at the top? If you were in a conventional Corporate american job and a Mary Kay recruiter heard that, she'd be screaming for you to join Mary Kay.
Doesn't it bother you that you have been working your tail off in a job that gives you no retirement benefits, no medical or dental benefits, and can fire you at the drop of a hat per the language in the Consultant Agreement?
Sportica 2 months ago
@Sportica - Also, MK rewards retail sales with National Court of Sales at Seminar. The rewards (I'm assuming you mean the Star program) with wholesale orders comes from the concept that if you are moving product (making the sales), you need to replenish your inventory with a wholesale order. If you are doing this consistently, you will reach a specific levels and the company will offer you a reward.
RegalRysse 2 months ago
@RegalRysse, Mary Kay does NOT track actual retail sales to non-consultant customers. Court of Sales is awarded based on WHOLESALE ORDERS placed by consultants, period. There is no guarantee that a woman who made Court of Sales actually sold all that product at full retail, nor is there proof, since retail sales - again - is not tracked. It is an award that is based on pure speculation.
Sportica 2 months ago
@Sportica - No one is lying. Everyone is CAPABLE of being a consultant - not everyone may CHOOSE to do it. You need no background in sales or any other formal training. There are many people who join, truly see what it's about and after a yr, decide it's not for them. I'm sorry that you dealt with someone who "work so hard to overcome objections and get that "yes" answer". That's not what the company is about. My personal belief.. if everyone was a consultant, there would be no customers.
RegalRysse 2 months ago
@RegalRysse, Without the yes, you get no promotion, no pink car, no commission check, and no hope of ever making National Sales Director. One of NSD Pamela Shaw's training documents told directors to "Push through to a win" when it came to getting a signed agreement. You say getting the yes answer is not what the company is about, and yet I don't see Mary Kay Corporate telling NSD Shaw to put a sock in it.
Sportica 2 months ago
Red Flag #1: Mary Kay rewards wholesale orders, not actual retail sales. That's like rewarding Starbucks just because they restocked their cups. Red Flag #2: You cannot promote yourself unless you recruit, and you will never make the bigger bucks unless you recruit. The best part? Former NSD Allison LaMarr quit Mary Kay in 2010, admitting that she was a "frustrated entrepreneur" who was "working extremely hard without ever producing a payoff.” p i n k t r u t h . c o m
Sportica 2 months ago 2
@Sportica Many vendors reward for purchasing wholesale.
buns1983 2 months ago
Since Mary Kay is a sales job, wouldn't it make sense for Corporate to reward consultants for what they actually SOLD to retail customers? Prizes, titles, and cars in MK are all based on how much product is ordered, and the only way you get promoted is to recruit. Even worse, the only way a recruited person will count towards a prize, title, or "free" car is if you can get THEM to order at least $600 in product. Actual sales does not appear to matter one iota in Mary Kay.
Sportica 2 months ago 2
@Sportica I am happy taking my 50% profit. Not really looking for a career in this, just an extra few hundred dollars a month.
As for the prizes, many vendors offer rewards for wholesale purchases, not sales.
buns1983 2 months ago
@buns1983, your expenses have to come out of that 50%, so IBCs are not getting a full 50% profit. I would love to see your Schedule C after 9 years in, because I'll bet it can provide some very telling statistics. I do applaud you for not recruiting, but unfortunately, there are NSDs in MK (such as Anita Garrett-Roe) who are teaching consultants that stealing customers from women like you is perfectly okay.
Sportica 2 months ago
@Sportica I agree my expenses come out of that 50%. But my only expenses are the $8.75 I'm charged for shipping and the $3.50 used to purchase 10 catalogs every 3 months. So, in 3 months, my expenses total $29.75. I sell approximately $250 a month which would give me a profit of $125 a month, or $375 for three months minus my $29.75 in expenses which means I still take in $345.25. I would say that is good money for the no more than 10 hours I put into it a month.
buns1983 2 months ago
@buns1983, with all due respect, there are more expenses than just shipping costs and catalogs. IBCs can expect to spend their profits on samples and supplies, gift with purchase, any MK events (such as Seminar), packaging, advertising, business supplies, telephone, auto expenses, personal website, interest expense, training (via CDs and other methods), child care, clothing, and expired/outdated product. Not all of these may apply to your situation, but I bet many of them do.
Sportica 2 months ago
@Sportica As for having customers stolen from me, so be it. If my customers feel like I am not serving them efficiently they can move on. My parents have had a retail business for the past 35 years. Gaining and losing customers is a part of retail. I have also learned that 50% profit before expenses is an excellent profit margin since most retail stores operate on a 30-40% profit margin before expenses.
buns1983 2 months ago
@buns1983, the customer-stealing issue is simply an observation, is all. Personally, it would bother me knowing that I worked for a company who had leaders who were deliberately working against my efforts to build a business or who called me "selfish" because I failed to recruit others into the system. (It is quite common for Mary Kay NSDs to refer to women such as yourself in this manner)
Sportica 2 months ago
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@Sportica May I ask how you get "Promoted" in your job? I've been in corporate for several years...and yes, sales are VERY important...but mentoring others to do what I do is more important...doesn't that make more sense? What I read on this site is a lot of whining...excuse making...lazy ladies...looking for easy money and willing to trash talk all the hard working women of today for taking charge of their lives...I say...start acting your age already...if your under 12 years...go to bed!
thedenversource 2 months ago
@thedenversource, I don't need a promotion. I am a stay-at-home mom and a writer, and therefore the CEO of my own business. You have been given quotes and explanations and yet you refuse to hear. Therefore, I say again: believe whatever you wish, but I will say this: You are not completely confident in your almighty opportunity, because I can smell your defensiveness straight through the monitor. Cheers.
Sportica 2 months ago 9
@thedenversource you are a hypocrite. What you implied about Cystic Acne...you should be ashamed of yourself. Are you a man?
DeeMarieGK 1 month ago
Love Mary Kay!!
BeautyBee11 2 months ago 3
"165,000 woman started a Mary Kay business last April alone!" WOW!
XxAC130Time1xX 2 months ago 2
Mary Kay is definitely not a pyramid, consultants order product directly from the company and sell to customers. Team members do not order from their recruiters at a different price, they order exactly the same way everyone else does (directly from the company). It is all direct sales and there are no middlemen like you find with pyramids. This was a great story to show success is still possible, regardless of our economy's situation. Kellyzat, you should really read up on the company more.
RoByNsBeAuTyTlpS 2 months ago in playlist U.S. Videos
kellyzat, you can rest assured this is not a scheme!! I have been a Mary Kay Independent Consultant for several years and very proud to represent a company that is financially secure operating totally in the black. By no means is this a pyramid and I would suggest that you do some research and speak with several people in the Mary Kay family to make sure you are speaking correctly. Thank you ABC for airing this feel good story!
nesube 2 months ago
@nesube, it's financially secure because Mary Kay's customers are its own consultants, and new consultants are the ones being conned into ordering huge inventory packages the day they sign their agreements. National Sales Director Pam Shaw even admitted in one of her training documents that the biggest source of director production comes from new consultants. Why wouldn't the biggest source of production be coming from seasoned consultants who supposedly know how to sell? Just a thought.
Sportica 2 months ago
This is totally awesome! I'm so glad they did an article on something positive instead of negative!
brittykittyful 2 months ago 3
It's no scheme, kellyzat.. I've been a MK consultant for 3 years and haven't recruited a single person. Sales alone. For certain rewards, it is a team effort so it does benefit you to grow your team, but it's far from mandatory. And a lot of people recruit themselves, decide they want the opportunity and do the work to get what they want. The stories that you hear of where people were when they began and seeing what they've accomplished since... that's inspiring. It's not for everyone though.
RegalRysse 2 months ago 3
@RegalRysse, if it's not for everyone, then why do recruiters work so hard to convince people in the recruiting interview that it IS for everyone? Why do they work so hard to overcome objections and get that "yes" answer?
NSD Natalie Privette-Jones once said on a training CD, "“Anybody can do Mary Kay – all you have to do is be excited and have fun!” If Mary Kay is supposedly not for everyone, which one of you is lying?
Sportica 2 months ago
Love to hear the pink truth side of this story. Mary Kay is an MLM/Pyramid scheme pure and simple, a scheme which will not 'bring America back'.
kellyzat 2 months ago