@dudesrock2 What do you mean by Japanese JJ? Gendai or Koryu. If you are talking about Koryu JJ then you are wrong. Koryu JJ is extremely outdated and very little is applicable to today. I studied several Koryu arts while I was in Japan. We no longer fight with the weaponry that Koryu JJ dealt with and we no longer wear the type of yoroi (armor). If you are talking about Gendai JJ, such as Judo, then BJJ is herald even in japan as one of the most effective ones.
Except that BJJ isn't Jui-Jitsu at all and should more acuratley be called Brazilian Judo, as it derives from Kodokan Judo. Judo itself was a sport created by takign all of the dangerous techniques out of Jui-Jitsu so that it could be taught in schools.
@rne02 Judo is a form of JiuJitsu. Judo was called JiuJitsu for a long time. I wouldn't say it really took out all the dangerous techniques because you can still kill someone with a choke and you can still break peoples limbs. The difference is the training. Moves that you can practiced on a resisting partners you learn to apply them better. Japanese JJ primarily uses kata to teach. This is one reason Kano's Judo was able to beat older JJ schools.
@Lordasia Yes you are very much correct, judo still has it`s fair share of shime and kenstu waza`s. Which are all legal in competition. Not sure about all of the types of ankle locks though?
@Lordasia Asia you don't do any koryu JJ anymore? We used to chat on Ebudo WAY back in the day. I'm still doing Genbukan and Kokusai Jujutsu and I agree that you have to incorporate randori into it. Since I've started training it more "judo like" and doing more newaza, I've actually gotten better at the kata I think. It's a shame that so many koryu just train "dead", when randori was common in the old days too. Keep up the good work!
@pacificimporters I still do some Koryu JJ form time to time but for the most part now I just use it as a reference. Too much dead training goes on for real use. I'm glad you have introduced some alive elements. One of the turn offs from Koryu JJ training was the attitudes against alive training. The alive training has allowed me to pull waza that senior students couldn't because they weren't used to resistance.
@chilidog1001 two things very wrong with your statement 1) Gracies have ALWAYS claimed their art came from Maeda (a judoka) 2) Maeda did not teach them very thing. Prime example "Sankaku Jime" (Triangle Choke). The Triangle didn't come into Gracie JJ until the around the 70s. Rolls Gracie learned it from a Judo book and started using it. Something the Gracies freely admit too. So please don't be so ignorant next time. Thank you.
@Lordasia when the fuck did they say that! they always say gracie jiu jitsu is the best and it is all you need to take down a much bigger opponent. when jigoro kano invented a martial art that relied only on technique to subdue anyone opponent using throws and locks : now the gracie's are just taking the fame...dont be stupid
@chilidog1001 Your ignorance is profound. First off, Tell me where in this video do they use the term GJJ? In Brazil its just simply Jiu Jitsu you won't normally hear BJJ or GJJ unless they're talking about a specific school.
They built upon Judo just like Sambo did. Just like Sambo there are other influences on GJ, such as wrestling. And FYI Jigoro Kano made Judo from taking techiniques from other schools of JJ. So you whining about GJJ is stupid.
@chilidog1001 In any book written by a Gracie states that Carlos learned directly from Mitsuyo Maeda. Its callded JJ because when it came to Brazil Judo was still being called Jiu Jitsu. Tomita, one of Kano's students, even refered to Judo as Jiu Jitsu int the the early 1900s. Mikonosuke Kawaishi, Kodokan 7th, used both Judo and JJ interchangeably. The art he took to France is still called Kawaishi Ryu JJ to this day. I guess he stole too, right? Seriously stop being damn ignorant.
@Lordasia BTW I am Nidan in Judo. I started when I was a kid when we were stationed in Japan. I am a brown belt in BJJ. I know well enough to know they are similar but also very different in approach. Different enough to be seen as its own art, again much like Sambo.
@Lordasia first off its called jujutsu if you are referring to the japanese arts second kano refined the old techniques and did not steal them, he removed to techniques that rely on strength and power so that a much smaller stature can subdue a bigger opponent. third the gracies did not refine anything im not "whining" about the name of gracie jiu jitsu yet they call it that all the time at the gracie academy. please explain to me what technique was "built upon" gracies are bull shit nutsuckers
@chilidog1001 First off you are WRONG. "Ju Jutsu" "Jiu Jitsu" は同じ どちらでもいい 日本で柔術だけだ
Second your reasoning is wrong. One man can refine techniques but another can't? Ridiculous. I've seen more setups for say an armbar in BJJ than I have ever seen in over 20 yrs of doing Judo. Next time try to construct a logical argument. So far you haven't said anything that hasn't been reputed.
@Lordasia the gracies didnt refine anything they specialised in newaza and developed variations on old judo techs and specialised in using judo for real match fights.
@billysue2 Developing variations is also refining. Its no secret that BJJ came form Judo but its silly to say that BJJ developed many more ways of employing techniques than Judo has. Considering I have a lot of experience with both I can say that confidently.
@chilidog1001 With in the last 30 yrs how many times a judoka has won a match with a gogoplata (yes I know the japanese name but I don't think you do with out googling it) ?
@barrettokarate Don't worry i won't ..The only one i could tell is Lucio 'lagarto' who's my coach at gracie barra, or roger gracie who academy it is..
And i know who it is my friend..
Renzo is a legend in my neck of the woods, he even wore my football teams shirt at the abu dhabi ufc event..
I love that this film was ancient & yet restored for not great tips alone, yet for the Gracie family's ador. I enjoy their great BJJ playing and I enjoyed this vintage film. More power to MMA!!!!!!!!!
Isso é o melhor e mais completo sistema de combate corpo a corpo de o mundo seus gringo fela da puta!!! e isso é nosso é BRASILEIRO!!! e todos vcs comem na nossa mão!!!
I had this video along with a video of Mel Gibson and John Saxon talking about Gracie Jiujitsu. As well as a advertisement to movie companies to use jiujitsu for choreography. Unfortunately a friend who borrowed my video lent it out and I never saw it again. I am grateful to once again see this footage.
That was really good, I enjoyed that alot I wish it was longer, I liked the speed of helio's execution of the technique during the self defence segment
even in the 50s the girls in brazil are hotties. in the end he sits next to her after he breaks homeboys arm and says to her, wait till I work you in your guard.
Gotta admire Helio for what he created. Gotta admire the way his sons carried it on. The Gracies have not proved to be invincible tho: Rickson is the only won who never lost, and he avoided fighting Sakuraba when Saku was kicking Gracie ass.
Remember Brazil and where they lived had a different outlook on life than what you or I may precieve life ot be. Fighting in Brazil I would say is more frequent than in let's say Japan (I could be wrong).
The gracies did what they did in order to make money, but that doesn't mean what they show does not work. They were willing to back up what they say especially in Brazil.
Well said man!! But the Gracies didn't think only about making money, otherwise Rorion wouldn't sell his UFC interests!!! The real objective was spread the fame of BJJ!
Now that they are in the states they would rather get payed lots of money to fight a professional fighter (Like Rickson). But if anybody had a problem with them they can step into their academy or whatever and they can settle matters there (as I see in youtube with Robin Gracie bare knuckle fighting some professional fighter i think).
*sigh* And so, another style basher is born. I thought you were different, I thought you were alright...
I'll admit I had my share of stupid comments. But I also had my share of training in Karate, Judo, Aikido and BJJ and I liked all of those. I don't hate the arts - I hate the art bashers, the bragging and flaming.
Maybe I just learned my lesson the hard way - I lost a possible friend and got a sure enemy. I'm sorry. I pray to avoid making the same mistake in the future.
I agreed with you in everything untill we came to the Gracies! I'm no art basher Taekwondo (the most beautiful MA); Judo (the best MA philosophy); Muay Thai (the most cool MA); Karate (the best way to learn self control and no violance)... The Gracies also respect the other arts (you'll see that in my next vids)! You are the one with wrong attitudes here not me or the Gracies, so don't try to sound like the victim! I had you as a friend but you started provoking me, your responsability! Goodbye!
I agreed with you in everything untill we came to the Gracies! I'm no art basher Taekwondo (the most beautiful MA); Judo (the best MA philosophy); Muay Thai (the most cool MA); Karate (the best way to learn self control and no violance)... The Gracies also respect the other arts (you'll see that in my next vids)! You are the one with wrong attitudes here not me or the Gracies, so don't try to sound like the victim! I had you as a friend but you started provoking me, your responsability! Goodbye!
Yeah right, I'm the THREE PEOPLE who voted low on your video! (sarcasm) Fuck off, Pedro! I deleted you from my subscriptions and friendlist because you're such an insecure dick! And I'm training grappling and kickboxing now so you'd have to bash every fucking art out there to actually piss me off.
You were always the 1st guy to comment my vids and then all of my Gracie vids are rated 1 star (as fast as you used to comment them)!!! What would you think if you were in my position? I still think it's you man!! No more name calling, just tell me the truth: was it you???
You were always the 1st guy to comment my vids and then all of my Gracie vids are rated 1 star (as fast as you used to comment them)!!! What would you think if you were in my position? I still think it's you man!! No more name calling, just tell me the truth: was it you???
Call me what you will man!! You know it's BULLSHIT!!! Just tell me one thing are you the guy who keep on rating my vids or not??? Just tell me the truth man!
Call me what you will man!! You know it's BULLSHIT!!! Just tell me one thing are you the guy who keep on rating my vids or not??? Just tell me the truth man!
OK man, I'll believe you!! So if it wasn't you I'm sorry about those messages cuz I really thought it was you!!! I thought you were provoking me, my bad!!
It's self defense and least the graice's self defense as demonstarted here by Helio is what made bjj stand apart from judo or japanese jujutsu's self defense. Plus Helio his family were willing to demonstrate what they know against people ALOT..which was unheared of at the time.
Helio was in this t.v show in the 1967 and he was challenged bu\y a capoiera practioner. A week later they fougth in a live television program. The program was called, "Desafio 67".
OK judoka....gracie jiu jitsu is a diffrernt form, modified, do you understand what that means? Kano did it in his own way, so did GM Helio, besides Gracie Jiu Jitsu has a lot of traditional jiu jitsu infleunce besides the kodokan, buuuut, it's way better and defines what a style is all about, want to argue more? Please watch all ufc, pride etc fights and tell me which style and technique they use..thank you.
Fedor uses GJJ??? Your right about GJJ being a modified form, but history says it is just a modified form of Judo. Who did the Gracies get their traditional Jujitsu techniques from?
Maeda and this guy had a backround in kodokan and fusen ryu jiu jitsu, I just dislike people especially judo guys talking bullshit, let s just look at a judo academy and what they do and look at GM Helio....it s the best style for streetfighting
HAHAHA Nice try. I've done my own research, and BJJ definately has no direct influence from Fusen Ryu. At best they may be able to claim somesort of connection through Kodokan Judo which derived some techniques from Fusen Ryu. Maeda may have studied Tenshin Shinyo Ryu (One of the base styles of Judo) as a boy, but he never advanced far enough to call himself a teacher of that style. The only style he was qualified to teach was Kodokan Judo.
let s not forget kano had studied 7 different styles of jiu jitsu, and his style was another jiu jitsu style, but sounds different because of the name and also because jiu jitsu schools were not organized at the time and he did that perfectly, still though maeda had different infleunce on his backround, besides he behaved differently than all other judokas from the kodokan, only kimura in later years fought professionally also, even pro wrestling, but noy even close to maeda
Fuck Judokas trying to take credit for all, what the hell, is like a fake watch salesman taking credit for rolex and other stuf...come on, dont even try it, judo is a sport, Gracie Jiu Jitsu the best system of self defense there is.
Yoshida sucks, just watch a REAL vale tudo between Royce and yoshida, the second match, without bullshit, so shut up please.
welll if you consider that taking inuntirreuted punches to the face throughout the whole fight is good an synnonimous to a draw okayyy....royce kicked his ass the whoel fight...yoshida was good, is strong and a real asshole.
To all stupid judokas u can kiss my ass and try to do the same....GM Helio uplifted the level of obsolete judo and japanese jiu jitsu...thank God he did it or we would have to put up with your bullshit!!
Everybody who is serious about MMA needs Gracie Jiu-Jitsu. Even the best MMA strikers have solid jiu-jitsu. As for this being just Judo, then I guess you are correct Chastell BUT it is pre-WWII Judo - huge difference from what we know as Judo today. This video is a gem! Just love watching master Carlos Gracie dominate the mat at 60 years old!!
He's not the best in solid grappling in general. But when it comes to applying submissions in his fights he is good. I don't see him winning any abu dabi in his weight class or in absoulte weight division or in any major major grappling competitions.
I look at it all and I think, no matter how many of them would lose in MMA, no matter how many times, they still win because everyone is doing what they intedned...sort of. The modern stuff rocks!
This is just judo, the way they stand up after no gets the advantage the gratious display of throws and the KIME-NO-KATA display as 'gracie' self defence.
Oh and the 'grand master' who got his ass kicked by Kimura, and the state champion when only about 20 people in brazil practiced Judo!!!
Eh can't deny that the self defense looks good though. People say that w/ gjj you can't take on more than one person but if you apply these type of self defense tactics you possibly can take out 2 or maybe 3 people at th same time.
Oh and let's not forget where judo came from too. Alot of the stuff judo has, came from jujutsu. It' s not like judo is 100% unique. And that tieing rope to a tree to practice a throw routine came from another martial art too...I don't remember which martial art but it was not 1st invented for the purpose of judo.
ok, so answer me this, why are all judokas always traying to start shit up with jiu jitsu, sounds like resentment because they realize gracie jiu jitsu accomplishes thr real purpose of a fight, while judo is a mere sport
If you truly believe it is GJJ self defense techniques are the reason Jiu jitsu works then ... well? Fact is even BJJ, which is sport oriented, also "accomplishes the real purpose of a fight". It doesn't take much to initiate a clinch, hell it's a desperation move in Boxing. And striking some body when your on the ground doesn't take too much to figure out, especialy if you wish to strike like a Gracie.
hahaha I do not agree with you, desperate move my ass? It{s a smart move to kepp from getting hit in a sport, even in nature you see the same, you will never ever see a tiger facing off a buffalo, it would be stupid, he closes the distance and goes for the kill, so please, I know and can tell you are a fan of ppv sports, but never misunderstand athelicism with true self defense.
The only reason one initiates a clinch in Boxing is because they are taking to many blows. Can't say the clinch isn't a smart defensive move though, but it's not going to score you any points and only stalls the match. As far as self defense goes I never said the clinch was a bad thing, just that it is easy enough to initiate.
->Are you serious? Watch Ufc 3 & 4. It's about timing and that takes a while to develop. Because people aren't stupid in mma or even in some street fights, they'll knee you in the head (case in point: Ralph Gracie vs. Gomi) or any other way to avoid a clinch.
Ralph vs Gomi ... wasnt he going for a shoot when he got kneed? BTW Im not the first to say the clinch is easy to achieve, hell I even heard it from Rorion and his videos. In one of their propaganda films Rorion refers to it as "the inevitable clinch". So are you saying Rorion/Helio was lying?
Yeah your right about Ralph going for a shoot. But still it's not easy to get a clinch someone can move; dodge tot he side and punch or kick.
He refered to the, "the inevitable clinch" to those gracie vs. style videos because those people (at the the time in the late 80's and early 90's) did not have sense of what do do once they got on the clinch and went to the ground. That's why he said inevitable because he knew that once he got the clinch and got the fight to the ground that was it.
What I agree with alot of people is that the whole style vs. style thing does not make a style better than another. It just shows that the person reacted better, knew something more, or had more expierence in that type of angle of a fight.
Thats another thing I disliked about Helios marketing. Trying to make people believe that it was his style and only his that would produce good fighters. Yet there are plenty of BJJ fighters not linked with his style who do very well in MMA, not to mention all the other styles. HMMM?
Here I go wasting time on this, than looking for a job. But whatever.
Yes there is some Shady stuff with the Gracies, but who doens't have some shady things going on? There is alot of practioners out their who do some stuff that is not right.
DO you think Kimura knocking some people unconscious during randori is right? (as I read on him) That goes against Kano's view for Judo. And him cheating on the written part of one of his dan testing, do you think that was right?(you can read up on this if you like). How about adding strength to Judo (pulling rope form a tree to better you throws), doesn't that goes against Kano's original view of using technique over strength? Yet Kano allows it eventually.
No strength in Judo? You misunderstand what he means. Minimal strength with "Maximum efficency", meaning you only use as much strength as needed, but you still need strength even if it is only a little. Just like Tai Chi.
Dude what i was trying to say was that Kano originally favored technique over strength. Using the sense of balance and momentum. The throws were designed from jujutsu to use minimum strength.
You still didn't answer my questions:
-Was it right for Kimura to render people unconscious during randori?
-Was it right for Kimura to Cheat during one of his dan testing (the written section)?
Yes, and I wanted to point out that not everybody has a trim and proper history. Everybody has some skeletons in their closet, had lied or told lies, and have done and said some shady things not just the Gracies. And not just the Gracies believe their style of combat is the superior way to fight.
Alot of people who take kung fu think their sytle is the superior way to fight and will always lead to victory, but in fact it depends on what you know and what your opponent(s) know.
My little cousins are falling into that view that a style is superior to a style. They think you can beat anyone with kung fu, because it has "dangerous/deadly" strikes. But who said that someone has to just stand there as they apply those strikes? Who says I can move out of the way, and apply what I know given the position?
Alot of other people who practice other martial arts think the same too not just Helio. My friend, and his sifu in shaolin kung fu; they believe their style can produce THEE BEST FIGHTERS, and is the best style. When again it's not the style it's the person and what he/she knows which will dictate the winner or her/his surivial. AND alot of people can not come to girps with that.
Yeah but people who study judo give bjj sucess to judo. And some newbies who barely touched judo's surface think judo is one of a kind. When Karo Parisyian does a throw in MMA, the say it's judo. But that throw can date back to one of the school of jujutsu.
I really think they should give Maeda credit. I mean maeda challenging and being challenged but other arts or dusciplines. Does't that sound similiar to the Gracies?
Challenging and being challenged sounds like Judo to me, early Judo anyways. Maeda was not the only Judoka to tour the world and fight in NHB fights. Many of the early Judoka travelled the world, spreading Judo through fights with other styles.
OKAY, but home many of those judoka's students or onlookers followed what they have done (participate NHB fights), and were pretty sucessful at it? And had alot of their own family members participating in NHB figths as well and becoming pretty sucessful at it too?
Oh and please name me those judokas that have had as much, or more publicity around different countries as Maeda. And were as sucessful as Maeda in winning alot of his challenge matches against other styles. And also POSSIBLY...POSSIBLY has influenced other styles as well. As I see some old school catch wrestlers applying jujutsu type of throws (at times).
And please lend me some reading material on them too.
it is so efiecient self defence that helio himself in order to beat 1 guy(a gymnastick trainer) he took his 3 brothers with him....hm.....
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migraine516 10 months ago
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unabomberman 11 months ago
caraka olha o mestre hélio o carlos e o carlson caraka que vídeo top!
7Campelo 1 year ago
Jiu jitsu in general is the best self defence form but i think the Japanese style is more effective than the Brazilian style
dudesrock2 1 year ago
@dudesrock2 What do you mean by Japanese JJ? Gendai or Koryu. If you are talking about Koryu JJ then you are wrong. Koryu JJ is extremely outdated and very little is applicable to today. I studied several Koryu arts while I was in Japan. We no longer fight with the weaponry that Koryu JJ dealt with and we no longer wear the type of yoroi (armor). If you are talking about Gendai JJ, such as Judo, then BJJ is herald even in japan as one of the most effective ones.
Lordasia 1 year ago
@Lordasia
Except that BJJ isn't Jui-Jitsu at all and should more acuratley be called Brazilian Judo, as it derives from Kodokan Judo. Judo itself was a sport created by takign all of the dangerous techniques out of Jui-Jitsu so that it could be taught in schools.
rne02 1 year ago
@rne02 Judo is a form of JiuJitsu. Judo was called JiuJitsu for a long time. I wouldn't say it really took out all the dangerous techniques because you can still kill someone with a choke and you can still break peoples limbs. The difference is the training. Moves that you can practiced on a resisting partners you learn to apply them better. Japanese JJ primarily uses kata to teach. This is one reason Kano's Judo was able to beat older JJ schools.
Lordasia 1 year ago
@Lordasia Yes you are very much correct, judo still has it`s fair share of shime and kenstu waza`s. Which are all legal in competition. Not sure about all of the types of ankle locks though?
Motownbrother 1 year ago
@Lordasia Asia you don't do any koryu JJ anymore? We used to chat on Ebudo WAY back in the day. I'm still doing Genbukan and Kokusai Jujutsu and I agree that you have to incorporate randori into it. Since I've started training it more "judo like" and doing more newaza, I've actually gotten better at the kata I think. It's a shame that so many koryu just train "dead", when randori was common in the old days too. Keep up the good work!
pacificimporters 10 months ago
@pacificimporters I still do some Koryu JJ form time to time but for the most part now I just use it as a reference. Too much dead training goes on for real use. I'm glad you have introduced some alive elements. One of the turn offs from Koryu JJ training was the attitudes against alive training. The alive training has allowed me to pull waza that senior students couldn't because they weren't used to resistance.
Lordasia 10 months ago
@dudesrock2 i never said it was ineffective i said Japanese Jujutsu is more effective as a self defence martial art
dudesrock2 1 year ago
@dudesrock2 If you're talking about Koryu JJ then you are very wrong. If your talking Gendai JJ then both Judo and BJJ have got them beat as well.
Lordasia 1 year ago
the gracie stole every move from judo and claimed it as their own
chilidog1001 1 year ago
@chilidog1001 two things very wrong with your statement 1) Gracies have ALWAYS claimed their art came from Maeda (a judoka) 2) Maeda did not teach them very thing. Prime example "Sankaku Jime" (Triangle Choke). The Triangle didn't come into Gracie JJ until the around the 70s. Rolls Gracie learned it from a Judo book and started using it. Something the Gracies freely admit too. So please don't be so ignorant next time. Thank you.
Lordasia 1 year ago
@Lordasia when the fuck did they say that! they always say gracie jiu jitsu is the best and it is all you need to take down a much bigger opponent. when jigoro kano invented a martial art that relied only on technique to subdue anyone opponent using throws and locks : now the gracie's are just taking the fame...dont be stupid
chilidog1001 1 year ago
@chilidog1001 Your ignorance is profound. First off, Tell me where in this video do they use the term GJJ? In Brazil its just simply Jiu Jitsu you won't normally hear BJJ or GJJ unless they're talking about a specific school.
They built upon Judo just like Sambo did. Just like Sambo there are other influences on GJ, such as wrestling. And FYI Jigoro Kano made Judo from taking techiniques from other schools of JJ. So you whining about GJJ is stupid.
Lordasia 1 year ago
@Lordasia and tell me why its called gracie jiu jitsu instead of jiu jitsu or judo because they stole every technique and call it their own
chilidog1001 1 year ago
@chilidog1001 In any book written by a Gracie states that Carlos learned directly from Mitsuyo Maeda. Its callded JJ because when it came to Brazil Judo was still being called Jiu Jitsu. Tomita, one of Kano's students, even refered to Judo as Jiu Jitsu int the the early 1900s. Mikonosuke Kawaishi, Kodokan 7th, used both Judo and JJ interchangeably. The art he took to France is still called Kawaishi Ryu JJ to this day. I guess he stole too, right? Seriously stop being damn ignorant.
Lordasia 1 year ago
@Lordasia BTW I am Nidan in Judo. I started when I was a kid when we were stationed in Japan. I am a brown belt in BJJ. I know well enough to know they are similar but also very different in approach. Different enough to be seen as its own art, again much like Sambo.
Lordasia 1 year ago
@Lordasia first off its called jujutsu if you are referring to the japanese arts second kano refined the old techniques and did not steal them, he removed to techniques that rely on strength and power so that a much smaller stature can subdue a bigger opponent. third the gracies did not refine anything im not "whining" about the name of gracie jiu jitsu yet they call it that all the time at the gracie academy. please explain to me what technique was "built upon" gracies are bull shit nutsuckers
chilidog1001 1 year ago
@chilidog1001 First off you are WRONG. "Ju Jutsu" "Jiu Jitsu" は同じ どちらでもいい 日本で柔術だけだ
Second your reasoning is wrong. One man can refine techniques but another can't? Ridiculous. I've seen more setups for say an armbar in BJJ than I have ever seen in over 20 yrs of doing Judo. Next time try to construct a logical argument. So far you haven't said anything that hasn't been reputed.
Lordasia 1 year ago
@Lordasia the gracies didnt refine anything they specialised in newaza and developed variations on old judo techs and specialised in using judo for real match fights.
billysue2 11 months ago
@billysue2 Developing variations is also refining. Its no secret that BJJ came form Judo but its silly to say that BJJ developed many more ways of employing techniques than Judo has. Considering I have a lot of experience with both I can say that confidently.
Lordasia 11 months ago
@chilidog1001 With in the last 30 yrs how many times a judoka has won a match with a gogoplata (yes I know the japanese name but I don't think you do with out googling it) ?
Lordasia 1 year ago
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BJJ has so many flaws to exploit.
ForwardIntent 1 year ago
old school gracie hits
jkerry 1 year ago
What the kid don't know is the beach dude gave is girl crabs...
GJJ 4 life...
ev3nflow 1 year ago
@ev3nflow LOL Don't tell Renzo Gracie that. The kid that beats up the meat head on the beach is actually Renzo's dad Carlos Robson Gracie.
barrettokarate 1 year ago
@barrettokarate Don't worry i won't ..The only one i could tell is Lucio 'lagarto' who's my coach at gracie barra, or roger gracie who academy it is..
And i know who it is my friend..
Renzo is a legend in my neck of the woods, he even wore my football teams shirt at the abu dhabi ufc event..
peace..
ev3nflow 1 year ago
War small beach dude!!!!!!
LittleJ2008 1 year ago
I love that this film was ancient & yet restored for not great tips alone, yet for the Gracie family's ador. I enjoy their great BJJ playing and I enjoyed this vintage film. More power to MMA!!!!!!!!!
Endetey 1 year ago
He stole my girl now I destroy his elbow.
Tippet76 1 year ago
O locutor original parece ter vindo diretamente do desenho do Pica-pau
luied1920 2 years ago
jssj
felomanias 2 years ago
O locutor original parece ter vindo diretamente do desenho do Pica-pau hehehe
marcosfenrir 2 years ago
Was that Renzo as the skinny guy at the end who learns JJ to win his girl back from the bully?
denter 2 years ago
that was Renzo's father Robson
lilpretomunchmunch 2 years ago
renzo was born in the sixties and this video is from the fifties so its imposible that it was renzo
sumoshinobi 2 years ago
I have never seen that defense to a two hand front choke.....at 4:10
SCROGY 2 years ago
Nice old video. I don't care for the kick defenses, there are much better ones in the jujutsu system.
JeffreyJamesLippold 2 years ago
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yeee941 2 years ago
Presenting the greatest con man ever
cjudoka 2 years ago
Who??
mickeyford 2 years ago
@cjudoka you are mistaking gracie jj with madoff jj
nirvana2465 2 years ago
hav you ever trained in bjj stop dissin what you don't know
sumoshinobi 2 years ago
I really enjoyed the little scene in the end where the guy takes im JJ to beat up a jock
Devonmeister 2 years ago 5
BJJ has evolved so much, and whats with the scene at the end lol. what a slut.
MichaelBjj 2 years ago
Isso é o melhor e mais completo sistema de combate corpo a corpo de o mundo seus gringo fela da puta!!! e isso é nosso é BRASILEIRO!!! e todos vcs comem na nossa mão!!!
laranjaworm 2 years ago
lol,descendeu do japao primeiro
goncalom90 2 years ago
I had this video along with a video of Mel Gibson and John Saxon talking about Gracie Jiujitsu. As well as a advertisement to movie companies to use jiujitsu for choreography. Unfortunately a friend who borrowed my video lent it out and I never saw it again. I am grateful to once again see this footage.
onesteptoyourdreams 2 years ago
"The most complete form of self defense."
Don't get me wrong I think it's an amazing martial art and I love practicing it but it's quite far from complete.
The stand up and take downs are not very impressive. Once on the ground it is second to none.
R.I.P. Grand Master Helio
JKDLIFER 3 years ago
well its from the fifties!
liamgyu 2 years ago
Cool vid Gracies are the shit!
amazing flying armbar!
That girl was a slut, that guy should of smacked her after he fucked up the new boyfriend!!
spicanuck 3 years ago 3
these are very classical jujutsu moves.. very cool vid.
spartanlpz 3 years ago
Damn! That flying armbar at 3:20 was flawless. You don't get to see that move very often =/.
Dashblades 3 years ago
Do the Brazil won Mongols?Do they won in World War II? funny!
dmtau 3 years ago
its cool to see how the sport has developed, and to see some of the self defense moves they still teach today the exact same way
klarvis 3 years ago
That was really good, I enjoyed that alot I wish it was longer, I liked the speed of helio's execution of the technique during the self defence segment
alexyynz 3 years ago
Gracie Jiu-Jitsu!!! Massa!!!
develchio 3 years ago
lol Charles Atlas gracie jiu jitsu.
ravenTJ1979 3 years ago
Big respects to the Gracie family.
flxhrnndz1 3 years ago 10
But what happens when the big strong guy learns Jiu Jitsu?
Aurudin 3 years ago 4
the guy would ultimately respect smaller guys because jiu jitsu keeps one humble and respectful to others.
chnazm 3 years ago
They go beat the crap out of each other in UFC.
Thunderhouse2 3 years ago
even in the 50s the girls in brazil are hotties. in the end he sits next to her after he breaks homeboys arm and says to her, wait till I work you in your guard.
Frater8 3 years ago 2
"Unfortunate, not to be wrong..."
"There goes your girl.."
epic
omgwhyamihere 3 years ago 2
I think it was more like "It's unfortunate not to be strong...."
wraag 3 years ago 2
just saw that =/
omgwhyamihere 3 years ago
sure enough! there's a hope.
raironman 3 years ago 2
That said, I think Rickson would have creamed Saku.
siasti 3 years ago
even though rickson never fought anyone with a good record?
mettal7 2 years ago
Gotta admire Helio for what he created. Gotta admire the way his sons carried it on. The Gracies have not proved to be invincible tho: Rickson is the only won who never lost, and he avoided fighting Sakuraba when Saku was kicking Gracie ass.
siasti 3 years ago
Excellent! I really enjoyed it. Thank you for posting.
indeterminatenexus 3 years ago 3
Last part - "Learn GJJ to score hot chicks!"
Geeez, how shallow can you get? -_-
Hotora86 4 years ago
Yeah that is shallow. But I mean alot of disciplines I guess have that notion but they don't say it.
I mean at the time who wouldn't want a Samurai man or a chinese warrior in the early centurries (they study their respected styles)?
And I think..I think what the Gracies mean't by doing gjj to score hot chicks...is that you will get a pretty ropped physique, thus attracting girls.
lyricallyundefined 4 years ago
the last part it's just like propaganda... funny lolz!
GuayacoKid 3 years ago 3
I mean grappling, especially in the ground is known to give a pretty ripped physique (given eating the proper food).
Or maybe the idea of being able to hold your own in a fight will attract girls (which in natural case sometimes it does, believe it or not).
I'm not trying to say what the Gracies said is not shady, but yeah.
lyricallyundefined 4 years ago
Remember Brazil and where they lived had a different outlook on life than what you or I may precieve life ot be. Fighting in Brazil I would say is more frequent than in let's say Japan (I could be wrong).
The gracies did what they did in order to make money, but that doesn't mean what they show does not work. They were willing to back up what they say especially in Brazil.
lyricallyundefined 4 years ago
Well said man!! But the Gracies didn't think only about making money, otherwise Rorion wouldn't sell his UFC interests!!! The real objective was spread the fame of BJJ!
PedroLMariano2 3 years ago
Now that they are in the states they would rather get payed lots of money to fight a professional fighter (Like Rickson). But if anybody had a problem with them they can step into their academy or whatever and they can settle matters there (as I see in youtube with Robin Gracie bare knuckle fighting some professional fighter i think).
lyricallyundefined 4 years ago
That part in the end is simply HILARIOUS!!! But the video is SMOOTH, favorited!!!
PedroLMariano2 4 years ago
Come on man, stop writing hatemail. I don't wanna fight you. Take a chill pill.
Hotora86 4 years ago
Fuck man, you blew it up!!! Now I'm posting Helio vs. Kimura and then I'll post BJJ over Karate! Stay tuned, but now you won't post CRAP on them!!!
PedroLMariano2 4 years ago
*sigh* And so, another style basher is born. I thought you were different, I thought you were alright...
I'll admit I had my share of stupid comments. But I also had my share of training in Karate, Judo, Aikido and BJJ and I liked all of those. I don't hate the arts - I hate the art bashers, the bragging and flaming.
Maybe I just learned my lesson the hard way - I lost a possible friend and got a sure enemy. I'm sorry. I pray to avoid making the same mistake in the future.
Goodbye and good luck.
Hotora86 4 years ago
I agreed with you in everything untill we came to the Gracies! I'm no art basher Taekwondo (the most beautiful MA); Judo (the best MA philosophy); Muay Thai (the most cool MA); Karate (the best way to learn self control and no violance)... The Gracies also respect the other arts (you'll see that in my next vids)! You are the one with wrong attitudes here not me or the Gracies, so don't try to sound like the victim! I had you as a friend but you started provoking me, your responsability! Goodbye!
PedroLMariano2 4 years ago
I agreed with you in everything untill we came to the Gracies! I'm no art basher Taekwondo (the most beautiful MA); Judo (the best MA philosophy); Muay Thai (the most cool MA); Karate (the best way to learn self control and no violance)... The Gracies also respect the other arts (you'll see that in my next vids)! You are the one with wrong attitudes here not me or the Gracies, so don't try to sound like the victim! I had you as a friend but you started provoking me, your responsability! Goodbye!
PedroLMariano2 4 years ago
Yeah right, I'm the THREE PEOPLE who voted low on your video! (sarcasm) Fuck off, Pedro! I deleted you from my subscriptions and friendlist because you're such an insecure dick! And I'm training grappling and kickboxing now so you'd have to bash every fucking art out there to actually piss me off.
LEAVE ME THE FUCK ALONE!!!
Hotora86 4 years ago
You were always the 1st guy to comment my vids and then all of my Gracie vids are rated 1 star (as fast as you used to comment them)!!! What would you think if you were in my position? I still think it's you man!! No more name calling, just tell me the truth: was it you???
PedroLMariano2 4 years ago
You were always the 1st guy to comment my vids and then all of my Gracie vids are rated 1 star (as fast as you used to comment them)!!! What would you think if you were in my position? I still think it's you man!! No more name calling, just tell me the truth: was it you???
PedroLMariano2 4 years ago
"I'm no art basher" - you said. Bullshit. Now you claim that BJJ is the "most effective art" and the other arts are worthless.
I train in grappling you idiot, why would I bash BJJ???
I don't hate the Gracies, I hate YOU because you're a mindless nuthugger and style basher.
Now fuck off.
Hotora86 4 years ago
Call me what you will man!! You know it's BULLSHIT!!! Just tell me one thing are you the guy who keep on rating my vids or not??? Just tell me the truth man!
PedroLMariano2 4 years ago
Call me what you will man!! You know it's BULLSHIT!!! Just tell me one thing are you the guy who keep on rating my vids or not??? Just tell me the truth man!
PedroLMariano2 4 years ago
NO!
Hotora86 4 years ago
OK man, I'll believe you!! So if it wasn't you I'm sorry about those messages cuz I really thought it was you!!! I thought you were provoking me, my bad!!
PedroLMariano2 4 years ago
That part in the end is simply HILARIOUS!!! But the video is SMOOTH, favorited!!!
PedroLMariano2 4 years ago
today bjj is a independent martial art. But COME FROM JUDO (Kano jiu jitsu)
Accept that!!! It is simple.
barbita10 4 years ago
It's self defense and least the graice's self defense as demonstarted here by Helio is what made bjj stand apart from judo or japanese jujutsu's self defense. Plus Helio his family were willing to demonstrate what they know against people ALOT..which was unheared of at the time.
Helio was in this t.v show in the 1967 and he was challenged bu\y a capoiera practioner. A week later they fougth in a live television program. The program was called, "Desafio 67".
lyricallyundefined 4 years ago
I mean who does that in national t.v? Not many..and the Gracie's were willing to take up the challenges.
lyricallyundefined 4 years ago
OK judoka....gracie jiu jitsu is a diffrernt form, modified, do you understand what that means? Kano did it in his own way, so did GM Helio, besides Gracie Jiu Jitsu has a lot of traditional jiu jitsu infleunce besides the kodokan, buuuut, it's way better and defines what a style is all about, want to argue more? Please watch all ufc, pride etc fights and tell me which style and technique they use..thank you.
malandrojiujitsu 4 years ago
Fedor uses GJJ??? Your right about GJJ being a modified form, but history says it is just a modified form of Judo. Who did the Gracies get their traditional Jujitsu techniques from?
kirokyukan 4 years ago
Maeda and this guy had a backround in kodokan and fusen ryu jiu jitsu, I just dislike people especially judo guys talking bullshit, let s just look at a judo academy and what they do and look at GM Helio....it s the best style for streetfighting
elperico5 4 years ago
Fusen Ryu??? Where did you ge that from? Who did Maeda/Gracies learn Fusen Ryu From?
kirokyukan 4 years ago
do your own research bro
elperico5 4 years ago
HAHAHA Nice try. I've done my own research, and BJJ definately has no direct influence from Fusen Ryu. At best they may be able to claim somesort of connection through Kodokan Judo which derived some techniques from Fusen Ryu. Maeda may have studied Tenshin Shinyo Ryu (One of the base styles of Judo) as a boy, but he never advanced far enough to call himself a teacher of that style. The only style he was qualified to teach was Kodokan Judo.
kirokyukan 4 years ago
malandrojiujitsu has a point.
lyricallyundefined 4 years ago
Kano's kodokan incorporated fusen as he did with the others ju jistu styles, to compleat the dynamics of judo.Not all just some technics.
shiai67 4 years ago
let s not forget kano had studied 7 different styles of jiu jitsu, and his style was another jiu jitsu style, but sounds different because of the name and also because jiu jitsu schools were not organized at the time and he did that perfectly, still though maeda had different infleunce on his backround, besides he behaved differently than all other judokas from the kodokan, only kimura in later years fought professionally also, even pro wrestling, but noy even close to maeda
malandrojiujitsu 4 years ago
Fuck Judokas trying to take credit for all, what the hell, is like a fake watch salesman taking credit for rolex and other stuf...come on, dont even try it, judo is a sport, Gracie Jiu Jitsu the best system of self defense there is.
Yoshida sucks, just watch a REAL vale tudo between Royce and yoshida, the second match, without bullshit, so shut up please.
elperico5 4 years ago
Wasn't the second fight a draw?
kirokyukan 4 years ago
welll if you consider that taking inuntirreuted punches to the face throughout the whole fight is good an synnonimous to a draw okayyy....royce kicked his ass the whoel fight...yoshida was good, is strong and a real asshole.
elperico5 4 years ago
What does the record say? Next I suppose you are also going to claim the score keepers were biased because they were in Japan?
kirokyukan 4 years ago
luv it
Tianshanwarrior 4 years ago
To all stupid judokas u can kiss my ass and try to do the same....GM Helio uplifted the level of obsolete judo and japanese jiu jitsu...thank God he did it or we would have to put up with your bullshit!!
cadelao76 4 years ago
I hate people that underestimate someone else, ESPECIALLY if they're bigger.
T850CSM101a1676 4 years ago
Everybody who is serious about MMA needs Gracie Jiu-Jitsu. Even the best MMA strikers have solid jiu-jitsu. As for this being just Judo, then I guess you are correct Chastell BUT it is pre-WWII Judo - huge difference from what we know as Judo today. This video is a gem! Just love watching master Carlos Gracie dominate the mat at 60 years old!!
AaronBJJ 4 years ago
Ow!!! Never saw Fedor doing BJJ. And he is the best.
ska4fun 4 years ago
He's not the best in solid grappling in general. But when it comes to applying submissions in his fights he is good. I don't see him winning any abu dabi in his weight class or in absoulte weight division or in any major major grappling competitions.
lyricallyundefined 4 years ago
grappling is a sport, gracie jiu jitsu is NOT a sport, is an art of self defense
malandrojiujitsu 4 years ago
I look at it all and I think, no matter how many of them would lose in MMA, no matter how many times, they still win because everyone is doing what they intedned...sort of. The modern stuff rocks!
T850CSM101a1676 4 years ago
This is just judo, the way they stand up after no gets the advantage the gratious display of throws and the KIME-NO-KATA display as 'gracie' self defence.
Oh and the 'grand master' who got his ass kicked by Kimura, and the state champion when only about 20 people in brazil practiced Judo!!!
chastell 4 years ago
Eh can't deny that the self defense looks good though. People say that w/ gjj you can't take on more than one person but if you apply these type of self defense tactics you possibly can take out 2 or maybe 3 people at th same time.
lyricallyundefined 4 years ago
Oh and let's not forget where judo came from too. Alot of the stuff judo has, came from jujutsu. It' s not like judo is 100% unique. And that tieing rope to a tree to practice a throw routine came from another martial art too...I don't remember which martial art but it was not 1st invented for the purpose of judo.
lyricallyundefined 4 years ago
Judo never claimed to be unique, and always gave proper credit for it's techniques even when they were taken from wrestling.
kirokyukan 4 years ago
ok, so answer me this, why are all judokas always traying to start shit up with jiu jitsu, sounds like resentment because they realize gracie jiu jitsu accomplishes thr real purpose of a fight, while judo is a mere sport
malandrojiujitsu 4 years ago
If you truly believe it is GJJ self defense techniques are the reason Jiu jitsu works then ... well? Fact is even BJJ, which is sport oriented, also "accomplishes the real purpose of a fight". It doesn't take much to initiate a clinch, hell it's a desperation move in Boxing. And striking some body when your on the ground doesn't take too much to figure out, especialy if you wish to strike like a Gracie.
kirokyukan 4 years ago
hahaha I do not agree with you, desperate move my ass? It{s a smart move to kepp from getting hit in a sport, even in nature you see the same, you will never ever see a tiger facing off a buffalo, it would be stupid, he closes the distance and goes for the kill, so please, I know and can tell you are a fan of ppv sports, but never misunderstand athelicism with true self defense.
elperico5 4 years ago
The only reason one initiates a clinch in Boxing is because they are taking to many blows. Can't say the clinch isn't a smart defensive move though, but it's not going to score you any points and only stalls the match. As far as self defense goes I never said the clinch was a bad thing, just that it is easy enough to initiate.
kirokyukan 4 years ago
hahaha so ur talking about sport point matches which dosen t interest me at all...I m more into real fighting
elperico5 4 years ago
"It doesn't take much to initiate a clinch".
->Are you serious? Watch Ufc 3 & 4. It's about timing and that takes a while to develop. Because people aren't stupid in mma or even in some street fights, they'll knee you in the head (case in point: Ralph Gracie vs. Gomi) or any other way to avoid a clinch.
lyricallyundefined 4 years ago
Ralph vs Gomi ... wasnt he going for a shoot when he got kneed? BTW Im not the first to say the clinch is easy to achieve, hell I even heard it from Rorion and his videos. In one of their propaganda films Rorion refers to it as "the inevitable clinch". So are you saying Rorion/Helio was lying?
kirokyukan 4 years ago
Yeah your right about Ralph going for a shoot. But still it's not easy to get a clinch someone can move; dodge tot he side and punch or kick.
He refered to the, "the inevitable clinch" to those gracie vs. style videos because those people (at the the time in the late 80's and early 90's) did not have sense of what do do once they got on the clinch and went to the ground. That's why he said inevitable because he knew that once he got the clinch and got the fight to the ground that was it.
lyricallyundefined 4 years ago
That was it for those people.
What I agree with alot of people is that the whole style vs. style thing does not make a style better than another. It just shows that the person reacted better, knew something more, or had more expierence in that type of angle of a fight.
lyricallyundefined 4 years ago
Thats another thing I disliked about Helios marketing. Trying to make people believe that it was his style and only his that would produce good fighters. Yet there are plenty of BJJ fighters not linked with his style who do very well in MMA, not to mention all the other styles. HMMM?
kirokyukan 4 years ago
Here I go wasting time on this, than looking for a job. But whatever.
Yes there is some Shady stuff with the Gracies, but who doens't have some shady things going on? There is alot of practioners out their who do some stuff that is not right.
lyricallyundefined 4 years ago
DO you think Kimura knocking some people unconscious during randori is right? (as I read on him) That goes against Kano's view for Judo. And him cheating on the written part of one of his dan testing, do you think that was right?(you can read up on this if you like). How about adding strength to Judo (pulling rope form a tree to better you throws), doesn't that goes against Kano's original view of using technique over strength? Yet Kano allows it eventually.
lyricallyundefined 4 years ago
No strength in Judo? You misunderstand what he means. Minimal strength with "Maximum efficency", meaning you only use as much strength as needed, but you still need strength even if it is only a little. Just like Tai Chi.
kirokyukan 4 years ago
Dude what i was trying to say was that Kano originally favored technique over strength. Using the sense of balance and momentum. The throws were designed from jujutsu to use minimum strength.
You still didn't answer my questions:
-Was it right for Kimura to render people unconscious during randori?
-Was it right for Kimura to Cheat during one of his dan testing (the written section)?
lyricallyundefined 4 years ago
Of course it wasn't right.
kirokyukan 4 years ago
Yes, and I wanted to point out that not everybody has a trim and proper history. Everybody has some skeletons in their closet, had lied or told lies, and have done and said some shady things not just the Gracies. And not just the Gracies believe their style of combat is the superior way to fight.
Alot of people who take kung fu think their sytle is the superior way to fight and will always lead to victory, but in fact it depends on what you know and what your opponent(s) know.
lyricallyundefined 4 years ago
My little cousins are falling into that view that a style is superior to a style. They think you can beat anyone with kung fu, because it has "dangerous/deadly" strikes. But who said that someone has to just stand there as they apply those strikes? Who says I can move out of the way, and apply what I know given the position?
lyricallyundefined 4 years ago
Alot of other people who practice other martial arts think the same too not just Helio. My friend, and his sifu in shaolin kung fu; they believe their style can produce THEE BEST FIGHTERS, and is the best style. When again it's not the style it's the person and what he/she knows which will dictate the winner or her/his surivial. AND alot of people can not come to girps with that.
lyricallyundefined 4 years ago
Yeah but people who study judo give bjj sucess to judo. And some newbies who barely touched judo's surface think judo is one of a kind. When Karo Parisyian does a throw in MMA, the say it's judo. But that throw can date back to one of the school of jujutsu.
I really think they should give Maeda credit. I mean maeda challenging and being challenged but other arts or dusciplines. Does't that sound similiar to the Gracies?
lyricallyundefined 4 years ago
Challenging and being challenged sounds like Judo to me, early Judo anyways. Maeda was not the only Judoka to tour the world and fight in NHB fights. Many of the early Judoka travelled the world, spreading Judo through fights with other styles.
kirokyukan 4 years ago
OKAY, but home many of those judoka's students or onlookers followed what they have done (participate NHB fights), and were pretty sucessful at it? And had alot of their own family members participating in NHB figths as well and becoming pretty sucessful at it too?
lyricallyundefined 4 years ago
Oh and please name me those judokas that have had as much, or more publicity around different countries as Maeda. And were as sucessful as Maeda in winning alot of his challenge matches against other styles. And also POSSIBLY...POSSIBLY has influenced other styles as well. As I see some old school catch wrestlers applying jujutsu type of throws (at times).
And please lend me some reading material on them too.
lyricallyundefined 4 years ago
fUNNY CHOKE from rear mount. Thanks for the vid.
hellopendejos 4 years ago
That's okuri eri jime choke..sliding lapel choke very common in Judo and Jiu Jitsu.
nekcrank 4 years ago