THE CRISIS AND RESISTANCE, FROM PALESTINE TO CUBA - Part 1 of 4

[socialismorbarbarism]

this is a wicked video!! BRRAPPPP long live Cuba Socialista

[meryanoneill]

first post edit: traditional authoritarian rule, another term for monarchy

[zetsway5000]

How is centralized power right wing? Do you call a centrally planned economy right wing? You have extremely warped views.

[meryanoneill]

furthermore post 1939, was a wartime german government that yes ate up private business but no more than allied governments did to there respective business just using a different method

[zetsway5000]

You seem to think if something isn't at the Utopian level of that system then it shouldn't use the name. To say that they all destroyed private business at the same level is to be a historic illiterate.

[meryanoneill]

i disagree that the national socialist were socialist in any way, if anything hitler prior to 1939 needed big business in germany to get what he wanted, names dont define ideology, names are names, how many dictatorships were democratic-republics?

[walaa925]

Thank you

[rantie]

this is inspiring stuff..

[zetsway5000]

No its a load of crap. Fucking socialists should kill themselves, fucking thieves.

[BOLSHEVIXTREME]

why don't you kill yourself and due the world a favour?

Socialism rocks!

smash fascism

[zetsway5000]

Fascism is a form of socialism lmfao. There was very little difference in the governments of Nazi Germany and the soviet union.

[BOLSHEVIXTREME]

fascism a form of socialism?

National Socialism or Nazism was only considered to be a fascist ideology because of its opposition against marxism, liberalism and immigration

fascism is a form of nationalism not socialism

[zetsway5000]

Stances on immigration dont determine a fascist government, to say it does is to say that you dont know what fascism is. Fascism is any movement, tendency, or ideology that favors dictatorial government, centralized control of private enterprise, repression of all opposition, and extreme nationalism. (continued)

[zetsway5000]

(continued)

It is in many ways like the socialism and police state policies seen in the soviet union. Even the Germans said in a news letter that they and the communists of the USSR were very similar in terms of ideology. They only dropped that talking position when it got negative views from the German public.

[BOLSHEVIXTREME]

WELL DUH

of course there going to be similar

national socialists and socialists oppose capitalism

Stalin, was in a way, a left wing nationalist but in an ethnic term more like an anti imperialist, libertarian terms

however Hitler, despite the fact the fact that his ideology took its roots from both left and right wing politics, was a right wing authortarian nationalist as well as a socialist

[zetsway5000]

Lmfao Stalin was not Anti Imperialistic. How was Hitler a right wing authoritarian? He was only socially conservative, but so was Stalin. The only real difference in how they ran their countries was racial views and all out corporatism in Germany. You can't be right wing and appose capitalism. Which Hitler said was a scam of the Jews and that it needed to be destroyed.

[BOLSHEVIXTREME]

ok first of all stalin did oppose imperialism

why do you think he introduced the policy of socialism in one country?

the main fundamental idea of left wing nationalism is to oppose imperalism

and since Hitler was a national socialist, who's ideology sterred more to the far right than the left, he obviously opposed capitalism he considered himself to be a national socialist

you cant support any form of socialism if you don't oppose capitalism

his ideology came from both socialism and fascism

[zetsway5000]

Stalin did not appose imperialism. His end goal was to erase all borders. You can't erase all borders and remove the state without first taking over all countries. That's why he tried to team up with Hitler until Hitler back stabbed him. Again Stalin was just as much of a social conservative as Hitler. To call Hitler far right while calling Stalin far left is like calling a cow a cow and the cows brother a duck. For the last time fascism is a form of socialism, get that in your thick skull.

[BOLSHEVIXTREME]

stalin's ideology was communism and socialism not imperialism

i am aware of the nazi soviet non agression pact

Stalin wanted to created an entire communist world so he and Hitler decided to take over Poland and Czechoslovakia, which may have appeared to be an imperalistic move

[zetsway5000]

You can't have communism without imperialism, or else it's just national socialism, and it appeared to be an imperialist move because it was.

[zetsway5000]

Also, you're getting fascism and Nazism confused. Nazism is fascism but they adapted it to the individual national circumstances. For example antisemitism.

[zetsway5000]

The difference between communism in its less then Utopian form as Stalin used it and fascism was that fascism only wanted socialism at a national level, and that it should have different variations based on location and the people purporting it IE adding corporatism to the mix. While communism wanted imperialism and eventual world wide revolution of all the working class, and the eventual united world order through government under socialism.

[meryanoneill]

both of you are way wrong and over the top, i can see the high school history showing through your belts, first point i must address, zetsway it is very easy to oppose capitalism and be right wing, im sure we can agree monarchies and authoritarian rule is for the most part a right wing ideology, did monarch not consolidate power, including economic power within the state?

[zetsway5000]

To even say monarchies and authoritarian rule is right wing is to be an idiot.

[meryanoneill]

next fascism isnt it socialism? no, not in any way National Socialist, please, next thing you'll be trying to tell me is east German was a democratic republic just becuase its official name was the "german democratic republic" prior to 1939 the national socialist completely relied on big German business for votes and support only post 39 did you see major forms of government takeover of private business, but that can be chalked up to a war effort

[meryanoneill]

tell me zetsway, why would the nazis, if they are so socialist left wing, see their beginning in the crisis of 1919 acting in police corps fight communist militias along the french border? most nazis started flying the kizer's battle flag, which is hardly liberal, no they were right wing nationalists, that used the term socialist to attract un-educated German workers, their reforms were right wing only

[zetsway5000]

What's your definition of right wing and left wing?