I asked my doctor if I could paint his house, if he would take my chickens, if I could mow his lawn or drive his kids to school; none of it worked. He still wanted my insurance card and copayment. Where is this haggling and negotiating that Lowden says works for healthcare? And why is "haggling" and "bartering" for a heart operation or kidney transplant better than.... universal healthcare? You know, where we ALL have a right to medicine, without..... haggling?
Chris Matthews interviewed her yesterday and it was anything but "hardball". He gave her some softball questions that sucked balls...he always pressed pundits hard but let the person who's view point really matters off easy...i lost a little respect for him for that...
She was absolutely right. Before the government created Medicare and screwed up the whole system, people did barter with their local doctor for healthcare. She is only saying that there is a BETTER way than putting the federal government of something that THEY BROKE.
@adamsfall As always, liberals miss the whole point of what she said. Bartering use to go on ALL THE TIME. It still does in some places today. My son has bartered computer work for dental work. The problem is that once the government started giving away care to people through Medicare and Medicaid, they drove up the costs for the rest of us.
@jensen1901 No one is suggesting that the doctors HAVE to barter. Her point was simply that in the past and some in the present, doctors have compassionate accepting alternative forms of payment for their services. Where you need to "get real" is the fact that the government is the one causing this problem by NOT PAYING THE FULL COST of treating Medicare and Medicaid patients. Blaming insurance companies is a misdirection. The healthcare takeover is not about fix anything.
@CommonSenseJoe My parents and grandparents were both alive well before medicaid and medicare. When I asked if they bartered for doctor bills, they laughed. This may have happened in rural areas where health care was harder to come by in the past, but we live in a different world. Furthermore, we wouldn't have medicaid and medicare if there wasn't a demand for it. I worked in a medical office as well as for an insurance company, gov. does not give it away. It is paid for by most who use it.
@adamsfall We live in a world where the government promises FREE healthcare to people and then fails to pay the full cost of it. They are reimbursing providers (as you know) only 80% of cost on Medicare and 60% of cost for Medicaid. Providers are dropping both of them in droves. The truth is the government has to takeover ALL healthcare to cover the failure of Medicare and Medicaid. The President lies about healthcare reform in order to get control of ALL of it through "insurance reform".
@CommonSenseJoe I think a bigger problem are insurance companies who need to let people die and pay out as little as possible so they can make a profit.
@adamsfall But that is NOT the problem. That is the straw man being put forward by the administration. Every insurance company has a contracted obligation to pay their claims. There is no evidence that insurance companies failed to do so on a consistent or widespread basis. None of the so-called "reforms" even deal with such issues. All the reforms do is drive companies out of the business completely.
@CommonSenseJoe How are they going out of business when their enrollment is going to skyrocket? Most enrolees have a yearly and or lifetime max and once they hit that, that's it. Even if they are in the middle of chemo or some other life saving treatment.
@adamsfall Respectfully, I don't think you understand the law. In four years, insurance companies will NO LONGER be allow to place an annual or lifetime cap on claims. This means that it will be impossible to assess the risk involved in providing insurance. A perfectly healthy 18 year old can break their neck and cost them millions in claims. No business can accept an unlimited obligation for a limited compensation. It is just plain common sense.
@CommonSenseJoe I understand max caps will be lifted. My whole point that health insurance administered on a for profit basis will always fail because of the profit margin. Bonuses in the tens of millions while people will HAVE to die in order to insure profit.
@adamsfall Then you agree this is NOT reform but a takeover of healthcare! Great, now we are making progress. No one died in order to "insure a profit". You can hate capitalism, but, at least, be honest about it. The profit margin in health insurance is about 4%. If there was tons of money being made then all these rich democrats should get together and start a health insurance company. In short order, they could show us all how is SHOULD be done. The government broke the system.
@CommonSenseJoe Where the hell did you get that I said it was a takeover? And where do you get this %4 profit margin? Stephen Hemsley CEO of United makes a salary of 3.2 mil without including bonuses and stock options. Just look up these CEO's salaries and tell me ONE civil servant who is paid like that and tell me what the overhead for gov. as opposed to private insurance is.
@adamsfall You agreed that the caps will be lifted. You know that will kill private insurance. That makes it a takeover. What does the salary of the CEO of United have to do with anything? Do you think that 3.2 million makes a big difference in the profit margin? It does not.
No one is saying a civil servant is NOT cheaper, but they are cheaper for a reason. They suck at what they do. However, if the President wanted socialized medicine, he should have made an honest argument for it.
I asked my doctor if I could paint his house, if he would take my chickens, if I could mow his lawn or drive his kids to school; none of it worked. He still wanted my insurance card and copayment. Where is this haggling and negotiating that Lowden says works for healthcare? And why is "haggling" and "bartering" for a heart operation or kidney transplant better than.... universal healthcare? You know, where we ALL have a right to medicine, without..... haggling?
MaskedMarvyl 10 months ago
Chris Matthews interviewed her yesterday and it was anything but "hardball". He gave her some softball questions that sucked balls...he always pressed pundits hard but let the person who's view point really matters off easy...i lost a little respect for him for that...
thetruthis9 1 year ago
She's a dingbat should have never gotten into politics.
paultous 1 year ago
a doctor can make 100thousand to over a million a year what makes u think he's going to take a farm animal in trade ?
1961arnie 1 year ago
She was absolutely right. Before the government created Medicare and screwed up the whole system, people did barter with their local doctor for healthcare. She is only saying that there is a BETTER way than putting the federal government of something that THEY BROKE.
CommonSenseJoe 1 year ago
@CommonSenseJoe What would you barter for an office visit, with lab and x-rays?
adamsfall 1 year ago
@adamsfall As always, liberals miss the whole point of what she said. Bartering use to go on ALL THE TIME. It still does in some places today. My son has bartered computer work for dental work. The problem is that once the government started giving away care to people through Medicare and Medicaid, they drove up the costs for the rest of us.
CommonSenseJoe 1 year ago
@CommonSenseJoe
Doctors don't want bartering, they want to get paid. Gert real.
jensen1901 1 year ago
@jensen1901 No one is suggesting that the doctors HAVE to barter. Her point was simply that in the past and some in the present, doctors have compassionate accepting alternative forms of payment for their services. Where you need to "get real" is the fact that the government is the one causing this problem by NOT PAYING THE FULL COST of treating Medicare and Medicaid patients. Blaming insurance companies is a misdirection. The healthcare takeover is not about fix anything.
CommonSenseJoe 1 year ago
@CommonSenseJoe My parents and grandparents were both alive well before medicaid and medicare. When I asked if they bartered for doctor bills, they laughed. This may have happened in rural areas where health care was harder to come by in the past, but we live in a different world. Furthermore, we wouldn't have medicaid and medicare if there wasn't a demand for it. I worked in a medical office as well as for an insurance company, gov. does not give it away. It is paid for by most who use it.
adamsfall 1 year ago
@adamsfall We live in a world where the government promises FREE healthcare to people and then fails to pay the full cost of it. They are reimbursing providers (as you know) only 80% of cost on Medicare and 60% of cost for Medicaid. Providers are dropping both of them in droves. The truth is the government has to takeover ALL healthcare to cover the failure of Medicare and Medicaid. The President lies about healthcare reform in order to get control of ALL of it through "insurance reform".
CommonSenseJoe 1 year ago
@CommonSenseJoe I think a bigger problem are insurance companies who need to let people die and pay out as little as possible so they can make a profit.
adamsfall 1 year ago
@adamsfall But that is NOT the problem. That is the straw man being put forward by the administration. Every insurance company has a contracted obligation to pay their claims. There is no evidence that insurance companies failed to do so on a consistent or widespread basis. None of the so-called "reforms" even deal with such issues. All the reforms do is drive companies out of the business completely.
CommonSenseJoe 1 year ago
@CommonSenseJoe How are they going out of business when their enrollment is going to skyrocket? Most enrolees have a yearly and or lifetime max and once they hit that, that's it. Even if they are in the middle of chemo or some other life saving treatment.
adamsfall 1 year ago
@adamsfall Respectfully, I don't think you understand the law. In four years, insurance companies will NO LONGER be allow to place an annual or lifetime cap on claims. This means that it will be impossible to assess the risk involved in providing insurance. A perfectly healthy 18 year old can break their neck and cost them millions in claims. No business can accept an unlimited obligation for a limited compensation. It is just plain common sense.
CommonSenseJoe 1 year ago
@CommonSenseJoe I understand max caps will be lifted. My whole point that health insurance administered on a for profit basis will always fail because of the profit margin. Bonuses in the tens of millions while people will HAVE to die in order to insure profit.
adamsfall 1 year ago
@adamsfall Then you agree this is NOT reform but a takeover of healthcare! Great, now we are making progress. No one died in order to "insure a profit". You can hate capitalism, but, at least, be honest about it. The profit margin in health insurance is about 4%. If there was tons of money being made then all these rich democrats should get together and start a health insurance company. In short order, they could show us all how is SHOULD be done. The government broke the system.
CommonSenseJoe 1 year ago
@CommonSenseJoe Where the hell did you get that I said it was a takeover? And where do you get this %4 profit margin? Stephen Hemsley CEO of United makes a salary of 3.2 mil without including bonuses and stock options. Just look up these CEO's salaries and tell me ONE civil servant who is paid like that and tell me what the overhead for gov. as opposed to private insurance is.
adamsfall 1 year ago
@adamsfall You agreed that the caps will be lifted. You know that will kill private insurance. That makes it a takeover. What does the salary of the CEO of United have to do with anything? Do you think that 3.2 million makes a big difference in the profit margin? It does not.
No one is saying a civil servant is NOT cheaper, but they are cheaper for a reason. They suck at what they do. However, if the President wanted socialized medicine, he should have made an honest argument for it.
CommonSenseJoe 1 year ago
@CommonSenseJoe Joe the fucking plumber. God damn, 4% profit. Hell, I might as well be watching that fixed bull shit station.
Subject and verb agreement george/sarah. Just like bush-common fuck up.
MrEatonbeaver 1 year ago
@MrEatonbeaver You need medication. You make no sense at all.
CommonSenseJoe 1 year ago
@CommonSenseJoe Fuck the library card, you need a ride to the library.
walkermydawg 1 year ago
@CommonSenseJoe Subject and verb agreement, dumb fuck. "If there was tons..."
Get a library card.
MrEatonbeaver 1 year ago