@amator827 I've crashed with a Megane last year against a Landrover, i came out nicely, the pedals on the woman's Landrover came up and broke her feet! But yeah, i feel safe on a big SUV aswell...and they are a bit! Oh and the "You are lolol" was me just goofing!! xD
@amator827 A 3 Star SUV vs say a 5 star Fiesta, even though the Fiesta is a small car, will be safer in the Fiesta. Remember, its about speed, its also about size but it has to be a BIG differnece. Like a Truck and a Fiesta. An SUV isnt that much bigger and therefore will have a smaller impact on the results.
Its all about sending the energy around the passengers. So if the cant do that, then YES... the foot pedals will break your legs and the roof will collapse on you.
Why Topgear discusses things they haven't got any clue about. EuroNCAP is completely meaningless on the road situation. If Range Rover vs that 5 star Avensis is compared in a head on collision, well I hope you won't be inside the Avensis, folks.
Goes to show you paranoid mothers: buying a big ugly SUV won't guarantee your children's safety. Now can you please stop clogging up the roads and buy normal cars. A Ford Focus ST (the new one not the one shown here) and VW Golf GTI both have 5*s, so they're as safe as any Range Rover. And are a lot more fun to drive, much cheaper, more economical and better looking.
I rolled my 2000 Freelander 4 times after hitting a barrier at 70 km per hour and it didn't look as bad as the NCAP one. Go figure. What does this mean? Are the crash test in line with real world crashes?
@roastoo00ooveges all depends on how you crashed it. these tests are total frontal impact, i presume you only clipped the barrier rather than slamming full on into it? What NCAP's tests generally involve is the car either hitting or being hit by an object square on.
@Mikeb1001 Oh yeah, I slammed into the barrier at about a 10 deg angle, launched, rotated almost 360 deg, and then tumbeled through trees and fence posts. The song playing on the CD was by Cat Stevens, and didnt miss a beat. The parcel shelf cover held 20kg of tools and junk in the back. This impressed me the most.
@roastoo00ooveges Yep that's exactly what I was getting at, that your vehicle deals with other impacts much better, clearly it's overall rigidity is much better than it's ability to deal with a front-on smash.
My Dad is getting me a 2004 Lincoln Town Car and I am very pleased that I am getting one. This is said to have the best crash test scores all around of any car ever built. The 2003 - 2008 Lincoln Town Car scored 5 stars for the side, frontal, and rollover crash tests for all occupants. I should feel pretty safe when driving this car.
@DSKayFan1 The Town Car is a very safe car in a crash. The problem is that the Town Car is more likely to crash than a l0t of other cars because the handling is horrible. I'm pretty sure the current Acura MDX has a better crash test rating, and given that it is an SUV, it is better in a head-on collision that a Town Car, but in a side impact the Town Car is probably better, although your head in a town car is at the same height as the front of the car hitting you.
No disrespect to proton or the country that makes it... but simply put... it is not a safe car to be driving in as what they are trying to tell people. A nice 1.8X Renault Engine, Lotus racing spec suspensions that takes corners very well is good handling, but should it crash... you're going to be in a world of hurt.
@Hansenio yeah,,no doubt,,even though its engine is from Laguna 5 Star NCAP engine,,the body of the car is 3 Star,,i guess i just have to take some precautions,,
Newer isn't always better, though. BMW refreshed the 5-series for 2008 and they made a safe vehicle dangerous. I did horrendous in IIHS crash tests, especially for side impact.
I agree that it looks like cute, class act. This is especially true with new Freelander. Despite their higher cost, Land Rovers are my favorite SUVs. BTW, I noticed that the problems people experienced in the BMW M62 engined Range Rovers from 2003-2005 were the engine and electrical problems from the E38 7-series, including the BMW's nasty habit of having a crack in the plastic radiator. What a dreadful compromise, but now with Jaaaag engines, LRs are really making a comeback.
there is no better nor best, but fr the vid clearly prove Proton does better than Freelander, which it is made by..... as the info below that i got from the Wiki.
Land Rover Freelander
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.
"The Land Rover Freelander is a compact SUV made by the British company Land Rover; a subsidiary of Tata Motors. The current generation is sold as the LR2 in North America, as opposed to Freelander 2 in Europe". - We are only Human & nothing is perfect... :p
BUT a car should save you and your passengers should the worst happen without serious injury or damage, 1-3 star euroncap cars are generally poor in an accident while those with 4 and 5 euroncap stars are generally better in crashes. If I had a family I would go for a euroncap 4 or 5 star rated MPV, that way I would know they are going to be safe if the worst happens.
@tripleA17 The simple antidote to all this is quite simply to drive correctly in the first place, reducing the chances of you having to rely on your car's safety system. On the whole here in the UK we all drive much smaller cars anyway. there's far more Punto's, Fiesta's, Focuses and other such cars than X5s, Land Rovers or ML320s. That way the object you crash into is much lighter in the first place.
Yes it is! The cabin deforms badly,the pedals push your legs backward,the steering wheel moves into your chest and the footwell deforms badly;that's not safe in a crash that's downright dangerous!
malaysian cars is nothing but pure shitty....how'd you expect to build a great car with cheap ass money? can you imagine build a space rocket with rm 10 in you hands? not even in millions years..
If a car is safe in a crash, then the pedals shouldn't push your legs and ankles back,the footwells shouldn't rupture, the steering wheel should push back into your chest and the cabin shouldn't badly deform and there shouldn't be hazards under the dash which could cause serious injuries to the femurs/tibulas and the side impact protection shouldn't overload the body/chest.
just bcoz brits dont make cars anymore does'nt mean that they know nothing,its like saying bcoz malasia did'nt invent the steak,we cant criticise it if it taste bad....people in the know in proton should do a better job to increase its cars quality and safety. firstly by taking in the criticism and using them to improve. ever heard about constructive criticism....?
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sorry to say this but i have to say , YOU THINK YOU WETERN AND YOU YOU SMART ! YOU CAN MAKE GOOD CARS . NO RIGHT ! SO DONT TRY TO SPOIL MALAYSIAN CARS IF DONT KNOW HOW TO MAKE CARS IDIOT ! STUPID WHITE PEOPEL !
malaysian cars is nothing but pure shitty....how'd you expect to build a great car with cheap ass money? can you imagine build a space rocket with rm 10 in you hands? not even in millions years..i dont say mlysian stupid but malay have to think
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hey stupid bastrard blackmarshllxp you think you smart YOU KNOW ABOUT CARS FUCK YOU BITCH YOU CAN KISS MY ASS ! AND I THINK YOU NEED TO USE YOUR BRAIN BEFORE YOU TALK ! WE JUST DEVELOP OUR AUTOMOTIF INDUSTRIES FOR 20 YEARS AND OF COURSE WE HAVA ALOT OF MISTAKE ! SO DONT TRY TO COMMENT OUR PRODUCT ! IF YOUR GOVERMENT DONT LIKE OUR PRODUCT WHY THE HELL THEY WNT US TO EXSPORT OUR PRODUCT TO YOUR STUPID FUCKING COUNTRY !
the frontal wall test is one of many, NCAP 5 star means complete protection all around the vehicle, they even have pedestrian rating. Quite amusing that the BMW X5 V8 has a five star crash rating but only one for pedestrians, they get fucked 8)
I have two Freelanders, a 2005 Freelander 1 and a 2008 Freelander 2/LR2 and one thing to remember on these crash tests, they are designed for you to hit a concrete block/wall. If you are driving along and rear end someone their car will absorb the wreck as well. So at 40mph it won't be as bad as hitting a wall that doesn't move.
And my Freelander 1 is a well built car compared to the Freelander 1s that were before 2004, but the Freelander 2 is even better than the post 2004 Freelander 1.
We'll say the same thing about your country then. Happy? You don't need to visit Malaysia at all. We malaysians don't welcome you. You can say that you dont want us to go to your country too, none of us will go anyway. We've got much more better places to go to.
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your dream is to work and live in Italy you cunt. More places like what? huh? Jungles ? Hahahaha funny shit. How can you compare Malaysia to Italy? Huh?
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dump ass malaysian, they really look like monkeys especially their language, when they talk is like monkey talking to donkey, half of them shemales and the other half thinking to be so, hahaha pls agree with me guys their country is a jungle, i have been there
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That is what you all know, go to hell go to hell. Anything new? Still having the same English? Well, let me tell you some thing and keep it in mind, go put yourself inside the toilet/WC and flush it hahahahaha you're gone after doing so. I guess hell is better hahaha gook monk
Wow... Malaysia's car proton is actually imported to other countrys?! Thats so cool =3.... There's a new car now in Malaysia, that's the brand new Proton SAGA.
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ur happy coz ur stupid proton exporting their shit, listen carefully 3 star car should not be like that so this proton has half star. its the worst car in this video, watch again pls
back when this was actually a car show
koolyman 9 months ago
I don't think this is avilible for frontal crashes car to car
amator827 1 year ago
My opinion is if a SUV with 3star crashes in a fieste that has lets say 5stars, i think the SUV is safer, corect me if I am wrong.
amator827 1 year ago
@amator827 You are lolol
grabedigger 1 year ago
@grabedigger am I rong?
amator827 1 year ago
@amator827 I've crashed with a Megane last year against a Landrover, i came out nicely, the pedals on the woman's Landrover came up and broke her feet! But yeah, i feel safe on a big SUV aswell...and they are a bit! Oh and the "You are lolol" was me just goofing!! xD
grabedigger 1 year ago
@grabedigger I can't belive the thing with the pedals braking her feet, could be.
amator827 1 year ago
@amator827 Believe it, they did!
grabedigger 1 year ago
@amator827 A 3 Star SUV vs say a 5 star Fiesta, even though the Fiesta is a small car, will be safer in the Fiesta. Remember, its about speed, its also about size but it has to be a BIG differnece. Like a Truck and a Fiesta. An SUV isnt that much bigger and therefore will have a smaller impact on the results.
Its all about sending the energy around the passengers. So if the cant do that, then YES... the foot pedals will break your legs and the roof will collapse on you.
Pepingco 1 year ago
Why Topgear discusses things they haven't got any clue about. EuroNCAP is completely meaningless on the road situation. If Range Rover vs that 5 star Avensis is compared in a head on collision, well I hope you won't be inside the Avensis, folks.
Zipper965 1 year ago
all car in the clip is good and safe. but the driver make it unsafe. phew.
mehafezara 1 year ago
Toyota is good, Proton sucks!!!!!
JENSDONT 1 year ago
@JENSDONT I'm glad Proton isn't sold in North America.
mattjnor98 1 year ago
@mattjnor98 I'm also glad it isn't sold in Belgium... x)
JENSDONT 1 year ago
Goes to show you paranoid mothers: buying a big ugly SUV won't guarantee your children's safety. Now can you please stop clogging up the roads and buy normal cars. A Ford Focus ST (the new one not the one shown here) and VW Golf GTI both have 5*s, so they're as safe as any Range Rover. And are a lot more fun to drive, much cheaper, more economical and better looking.
NobleM15fan 1 year ago
I rolled my 2000 Freelander 4 times after hitting a barrier at 70 km per hour and it didn't look as bad as the NCAP one. Go figure. What does this mean? Are the crash test in line with real world crashes?
roastoo00ooveges 1 year ago
@roastoo00ooveges all depends on how you crashed it. these tests are total frontal impact, i presume you only clipped the barrier rather than slamming full on into it? What NCAP's tests generally involve is the car either hitting or being hit by an object square on.
Mikeb1001 1 year ago
@Mikeb1001 Oh yeah, I slammed into the barrier at about a 10 deg angle, launched, rotated almost 360 deg, and then tumbeled through trees and fence posts. The song playing on the CD was by Cat Stevens, and didnt miss a beat. The parcel shelf cover held 20kg of tools and junk in the back. This impressed me the most.
roastoo00ooveges 1 year ago
@roastoo00ooveges Yep that's exactly what I was getting at, that your vehicle deals with other impacts much better, clearly it's overall rigidity is much better than it's ability to deal with a front-on smash.
Mikeb1001 1 year ago
My Dad is getting me a 2004 Lincoln Town Car and I am very pleased that I am getting one. This is said to have the best crash test scores all around of any car ever built. The 2003 - 2008 Lincoln Town Car scored 5 stars for the side, frontal, and rollover crash tests for all occupants. I should feel pretty safe when driving this car.
DSKayFan1 1 year ago
@DSKayFan1 It would; in any crash you're going to be at least 12 feet from whatever it is you'll be hitting!
NobleM15fan 1 year ago
@DSKayFan1 The Town Car is a very safe car in a crash. The problem is that the Town Car is more likely to crash than a l0t of other cars because the handling is horrible. I'm pretty sure the current Acura MDX has a better crash test rating, and given that it is an SUV, it is better in a head-on collision that a Town Car, but in a side impact the Town Car is probably better, although your head in a town car is at the same height as the front of the car hitting you.
surethang27 1 year ago
I'm getting a second hand 05 Avensis today possibly. Looks like I'll be okay whatever happens on the way home. So will my baby in the back.
emmalmillar 1 year ago
Proton Waja is a gd car,,especially the 1.8X Renault Laguna Engine,,
protonsingapore 1 year ago
@protonsingapore
No disrespect to proton or the country that makes it... but simply put... it is not a safe car to be driving in as what they are trying to tell people. A nice 1.8X Renault Engine, Lotus racing spec suspensions that takes corners very well is good handling, but should it crash... you're going to be in a world of hurt.
Hansenio 1 year ago
@Hansenio yeah,,no doubt,,even though its engine is from Laguna 5 Star NCAP engine,,the body of the car is 3 Star,,i guess i just have to take some precautions,,
protonsingapore 1 year ago
we have a chrysler pacifica 5 star rollover 5 star frontal and side impact i want a volvo xc 90 when i drive but i doubt it hahah
GabeTheDrumme 2 years ago
I bought a 2005 toyota avensis, it`s very nice and pleasant car
perfekt12345 2 years ago
I've got an Toyota Avensis late 2007 model. You won't find a better car, seriously.
Ratkomladicromanija 2 years ago
I am jealous
Type59 2 years ago
Proton Impian is cheap. Thats why only 3 stars.
lolf08 2 years ago
@lolf08 But the Freelander wasn't cheap, and it was 3 stars.
1bentley4ever 2 years ago
@1bentley4ever maybe the new Freelander is better.
lolf08 2 years ago
Newer isn't always better, though. BMW refreshed the 5-series for 2008 and they made a safe vehicle dangerous. I did horrendous in IIHS crash tests, especially for side impact.
1bentley4ever 2 years ago
Still Freelander looks good. Its not that I dont care for safety or anything but it's a nice car.
lolf08 2 years ago
I agree that it looks like cute, class act. This is especially true with new Freelander. Despite their higher cost, Land Rovers are my favorite SUVs. BTW, I noticed that the problems people experienced in the BMW M62 engined Range Rovers from 2003-2005 were the engine and electrical problems from the E38 7-series, including the BMW's nasty habit of having a crack in the plastic radiator. What a dreadful compromise, but now with Jaaaag engines, LRs are really making a comeback.
1bentley4ever 1 year ago
@lolf08 the new one is 4 stars
AnthonyUK 1 year ago
@AnthonyUK thanks for the info
lolf08 1 year ago
Im 18 and i have one of them 2003 toyota avensis t4
stephenharvey15 2 years ago
thats the old freelander the newer ones 2004-upwards are 4 or 5 star
halethewhale 2 years ago
4:03
topgearisfantastic 2 years ago
My dad's escort is a 2000 model, and it's 2 star.
topgearisfantastic 2 years ago
I hope you two aren't fighting about something, cause he could be gone in a day in that thing. :)
the06bug 2 years ago
Love the escort part!
topgearisfantastic 2 years ago
there is no better nor best, but fr the vid clearly prove Proton does better than Freelander, which it is made by..... as the info below that i got from the Wiki.
Land Rover Freelander
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.
"The Land Rover Freelander is a compact SUV made by the British company Land Rover; a subsidiary of Tata Motors. The current generation is sold as the LR2 in North America, as opposed to Freelander 2 in Europe". - We are only Human & nothing is perfect... :p
MrJeremy97001 2 years ago
I guess it's just best not to have an accident at all :)
tripleA17 2 years ago
BUT a car should save you and your passengers should the worst happen without serious injury or damage, 1-3 star euroncap cars are generally poor in an accident while those with 4 and 5 euroncap stars are generally better in crashes. If I had a family I would go for a euroncap 4 or 5 star rated MPV, that way I would know they are going to be safe if the worst happens.
AnthonyUK 2 years ago
@tripleA17 The simple antidote to all this is quite simply to drive correctly in the first place, reducing the chances of you having to rely on your car's safety system. On the whole here in the UK we all drive much smaller cars anyway. there's far more Punto's, Fiesta's, Focuses and other such cars than X5s, Land Rovers or ML320s. That way the object you crash into is much lighter in the first place.
Mikeb1001 1 year ago
never thougt the rover would be so bad!
scareface999 2 years ago
i was thinking the same thing so where is that fat ass price tag going? the badge?
Nequetrefi11 2 years ago
so proton still not bad wat, still better than some european cars. =)
Clement8617 2 years ago
Yes it is! The cabin deforms badly,the pedals push your legs backward,the steering wheel moves into your chest and the footwell deforms badly;that's not safe in a crash that's downright dangerous!
AnthonyUK 2 years ago
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malaysian cars is nothing but pure shitty....how'd you expect to build a great car with cheap ass money? can you imagine build a space rocket with rm 10 in you hands? not even in millions years..
blackmarshallxp 2 years ago
If a car is safe in a crash, then the pedals shouldn't push your legs and ankles back,the footwells shouldn't rupture, the steering wheel should push back into your chest and the cabin shouldn't badly deform and there shouldn't be hazards under the dash which could cause serious injuries to the femurs/tibulas and the side impact protection shouldn't overload the body/chest.
AnthonyUK 2 years ago
Those with 1-3 stars generally fare worse in a crash than those with 4 and 5 stars.
AnthonyUK 2 years ago 8
just bcoz brits dont make cars anymore does'nt mean that they know nothing,its like saying bcoz malasia did'nt invent the steak,we cant criticise it if it taste bad....people in the know in proton should do a better job to increase its cars quality and safety. firstly by taking in the criticism and using them to improve. ever heard about constructive criticism....?
orangmiri 2 years ago 2
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sorry to say this but i have to say , YOU THINK YOU WETERN AND YOU YOU SMART ! YOU CAN MAKE GOOD CARS . NO RIGHT ! SO DONT TRY TO SPOIL MALAYSIAN CARS IF DONT KNOW HOW TO MAKE CARS IDIOT ! STUPID WHITE PEOPEL !
izansmart 2 years ago
malaysian cars is nothing but pure shitty....how'd you expect to build a great car with cheap ass money? can you imagine build a space rocket with rm 10 in you hands? not even in millions years..i dont say mlysian stupid but malay have to think
blackmarshallxp 2 years ago
You dumb piece of shit, why has it got anything to do with race here???
poyolahkau 2 years ago
you bitch,you know nothing about cars yet you wanna fucking comment? think....dont be an asshole
blackmarshallxp 2 years ago
in uk, yes it's cheap...
so, UK can get the finest grade of proton's cars...
in Malaysia, no...it's quite expensive...
yet malaysian get barely acceptable quality...
(they cant increase the quality in malaysia, or else the price a proton's car = a lorry...)
it's just a matter of currency exchange...
cheap in UK doesn't mean it's totally cheap...
pls open ur eyes wider...
if you want, proton can increase the price...
is that what you mean by "malay have to think?"
shunichi 2 years ago
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hey stupid bastrard blackmarshllxp you think you smart YOU KNOW ABOUT CARS FUCK YOU BITCH YOU CAN KISS MY ASS ! AND I THINK YOU NEED TO USE YOUR BRAIN BEFORE YOU TALK ! WE JUST DEVELOP OUR AUTOMOTIF INDUSTRIES FOR 20 YEARS AND OF COURSE WE HAVA ALOT OF MISTAKE ! SO DONT TRY TO COMMENT OUR PRODUCT ! IF YOUR GOVERMENT DONT LIKE OUR PRODUCT WHY THE HELL THEY WNT US TO EXSPORT OUR PRODUCT TO YOUR STUPID FUCKING COUNTRY !
izansmart 2 years ago
Proton is a fuckyou car. Copy mitshubishi, copy this and that,
And lotus also have to buy just to own that technology and call it their own. LOL.
Malaysia: money can buy anything, yeah. Money over brains like you
beatlesalbum 2 years ago
pls dont blame proton for that...
u buy something, then it's yours...
beside, the assimilation of technology is applied this case.
Lotus and Proton are sharing the technology...
shunichi 2 years ago
It's Nt Copy , It's Sharing With Mitsubishi ...
john2rds 2 years ago
I can see your anger...
but if you're really smart as your name,
answer them with a wisdom...
shunichi 2 years ago
proton waja is a good car man,,,,,
protonsingapore 3 years ago
good car to drive
BAD car in a crash
enough said
voiceofreason2008 2 years ago 11
the frontal wall test is one of many, NCAP 5 star means complete protection all around the vehicle, they even have pedestrian rating. Quite amusing that the BMW X5 V8 has a five star crash rating but only one for pedestrians, they get fucked 8)
HYBRIDVISION 3 years ago
Theyre all fine until someone ploughs up the arse end of you in a range rover at 80
baminyoeye1 3 years ago
I have two Freelanders, a 2005 Freelander 1 and a 2008 Freelander 2/LR2 and one thing to remember on these crash tests, they are designed for you to hit a concrete block/wall. If you are driving along and rear end someone their car will absorb the wreck as well. So at 40mph it won't be as bad as hitting a wall that doesn't move.
And my Freelander 1 is a well built car compared to the Freelander 1s that were before 2004, but the Freelander 2 is even better than the post 2004 Freelander 1.
94gtvert 3 years ago
i would expect the new freelander is better tho... the freelander 2...
trlalli92 3 years ago
Freelander 2 is a 5 Star car
573W1E6R1FF1N 3 years ago
holy crap i actually considered buying the freelander...screw that piece of shit, i'm getting the toyota
parasmani6 3 years ago 3
New Freelander is 5* now
itisrich 3 years ago 2
i didn't even get the toyota lol
i got honda accord
parasmani6 3 years ago
Toyota, The Best Built Cars In The World!
betdec 3 years ago
We'll say the same thing about your country then. Happy? You don't need to visit Malaysia at all. We malaysians don't welcome you. You can say that you dont want us to go to your country too, none of us will go anyway. We've got much more better places to go to.
eSpringPellet 3 years ago
like holland??
lololiet 3 years ago
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your dream is to work and live in Italy you cunt. More places like what? huh? Jungles ? Hahahaha funny shit. How can you compare Malaysia to Italy? Huh?
mikebagio 3 years ago
racist....
pakcikdin 3 years ago 6
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moron asshole
mikebagio 3 years ago
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dump ass malaysian, they really look like monkeys especially their language, when they talk is like monkey talking to donkey, half of them shemales and the other half thinking to be so, hahaha pls agree with me guys their country is a jungle, i have been there
mikebagio 3 years ago
shit on you..
rulina2007 3 years ago
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ya i will shit in your mouth you pig. PEE DRINKER, SHIT EATER. shame on you and your cars. You still wanna talk abt this crab car?
mikebagio 3 years ago
go to hell... and show your car there... make the satan proud..
rulina2007 3 years ago
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That is what you all know, go to hell go to hell. Anything new? Still having the same English? Well, let me tell you some thing and keep it in mind, go put yourself inside the toilet/WC and flush it hahahahaha you're gone after doing so. I guess hell is better hahaha gook monk
mikebagio 3 years ago
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Shit on you and the one who born you hahaha stop talking stupid ASIANS slant eye pll
mikebagio 3 years ago
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ur mum really bitch coz a lot of heavy shit on ur head..
rulina2007 3 years ago
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And your mum is a slut and pee drinker PUNK
mikebagio 3 years ago
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puki mak engkau la bodoh!!!
rulina2007 3 years ago
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You racist bastard...
AlexanderBaldwin1990 3 years ago
>.> Raggedy Freelander... I was thinking get one.
imthecoffee 3 years ago
Rover 75 4-star. Nice :)
MoonTrot101 3 years ago
Rover 75 4-star. Nice :)
MoonTrot101 3 years ago
Wow... Malaysia's car proton is actually imported to other countrys?! Thats so cool =3.... There's a new car now in Malaysia, that's the brand new Proton SAGA.
eSpringPellet 3 years ago
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ur happy coz ur stupid proton exporting their shit, listen carefully 3 star car should not be like that so this proton has half star. its the worst car in this video, watch again pls
mikebagio 3 years ago
thx video,,but stil,,,,the proton waja(impian)wil b my 1st choice
protonsingapore 3 years ago
thanks for upload, good video;]
MemoChlpataRuka 3 years ago 2