it seemed like that the chinese hade everything going for them in the beijing games. they won the women and the men's team. the men i could see, but the women, no.
@MsMusiclover008 i don't think start values would have been that much of a factor considering zou kai had more form breaks, legs seperation, missed handstands, unpointed toes, a deep squat and step back on dismount. i believe that was more than enough of an equalizer for horton to win seeing how hortan really had one major mistake a step backwards on the landing. but whatever, cant change the past no matter how much i want to
fantastic routine, but I don't think that gymnasts should be allowed to do 3 of such similar moves (e.g. his 3 big kovacs variations); also too many giants for a routine at this level.
I really think this was just a fantastic routine - I don't know enough about judging etc to know if it should have been gold but I enjoyed this routine the most out of the final... it was amazing and very clean
He should of beat Zou Kai! I hate to say it but the judging was accurate. It is just frustrating cause Jon's routine was cleaner and more exiting then Zou Kai's
@hames100 Most of them were right but just not the common terms. Like he did a Yamawaki and they said Markelov, but in the FIG code of points it says Yamawaki is a Markelov with legs together. Or the Cassina or layout Kolmanm is just a layout Kovacs with a 1/1 twist. He used awkward words but they were still correct
@Manningxx1 well of course he can watch and say wat hes doing but he cant identify the specific skills, for one, yamawaki and markelov are two different skills. second, those kovacses he did have names, and all he said was "layout kovacs! full twist layout kovacs! tuck twist in the kovacs!" he obviously doesnt know the names of the skills is all im saying. and when he says "mr miller invented that move many years ago." he probably doesnt know the guys first name, its not in the code as a miller
@Manningxx1 For the other thing in the code the triple twisting double layout is called a fedorchenko. because fedorchenko was the first to do it off highbar. However the skill wasn't INVENTED on highbar. it was invented on trampoline by none other then Wayne Miller. He knows alot more then both you and me, so read up before you try to argue.
@hames100, Terminology. It's made to be viewed by the general public. Besides he is British they have different names for stuff For the Yamawaki Markelov. the markelov came first and Yamawaki was called straight markelov for years until the more recent code of points the last 3 Olympic years began calling it Yamawaki. Because he was the first to do it.
@seanapaulafans Oh, come on. Do you really believe that Fenner doesn't know releases from dismounts? It was clearly a slip of tongue, lighten up. Appreciate him, because he's the best, most informed english speaking gymnastics commentator there is.
I don't know how people can do gymnastics , especially high bar. just being upside donw makes me nervous, let alone doing flips over a 15ft high bar. Its amazing to me
clearly a better routine... his toe points were better, his dismound was better, and he had a higher degree of difficulty... he was totally robbed. Take it from someone that was a level 10 gymnast on high bar.. he should've won!
@bwolf1234 Zhou's routine was actually harder than Jonathan's, if you can believe it. Jonathan's routine was incredible, but Zhou had the advantage. Zhou's SV was 7.2, Jonathan's was 6.9. Jonathan had the better execution score by .2. But because Zhou had .3 higher difficulty, he got .1 higher than Jonathan.
End result...
Zhou 16.200
Jonathan 16.100
that is why Zhou won gold. Maybe from a spectator point of view, Jonathan's your winner.:)
This routine (and the way some people are taking to it) is like Diane Dos Santos's floor. She has the huge tumbles, but she has NO connections and no dance (in Horton's case pirouettes)
Horton gets high marks for his releases and dismount but that's only 4 skills, his other skills are just not as difficult unlike Zou Kai who had difficulty all the way through his routine./
@SGhockeychika4 Yes. I really was sad for the Hamm's brotthers, the gymnastics lose too much and i tottaly agree with you that the americans was aggrieved without them, but I stil guess that the chineses had a "overscores".Maybe they won at any rate, but with the real scores.
Jonathan routine looks more exciting because his releases are al over the bar.Those 3 releases are dramatic to watch and have high values.He has been credited for it in his difficulty value.His other moves combined together gave him a difficulty value that was still lower than Zou Kai by 0.3.Thats why he lost.
zou kai's twisting moves into elgrip are also very difficult but do not look dramatic or exciting.
To win you need both sufficient high difficulty value and good execution.
@francislsp Problem is, Kai had four form breaks and missed four or five handstands by 45 degrees or more--should have been deductions. Judges were tired here, apparently. Horton only had one or two visible breaks. Kai shouldn't have even medaled.
@Timboek89 And, I think it's easier to be clean in those kind of elements than in flight elements, so they could have an equivalent start note, not with the same elements, but zou kai was cleaner than horton. I think it could be a reason that zou kai was first and horton just 2nd. But I agree that Horton's routine was just awesome too :)
@Jesusfreak28532 You only have to look to floor. Her event final floor routine scored an execution of 9.350, I believe the highest execution on floor the entire Olympics. Yet, her floor is hideous.
1) Crossed legs on every twisting line, That should be a 0.1 each time.
2) Double front, horribly cowboyed They could even take away 0.3, but they don't
3) Her dance is horrible, she puts no emotion into it.
@Gr33nkiwi Interesting. I just find it odd that every commentator Ive watched(not just the Americans), have not commented on that. I just find it hard to believe that the judges would overscore someone so blatantly and not have anyone call them on it. After what happened in 2004, I highly doubt that they would be so blatant as to overscore someone by at least .5, that just doesn't make any sense.
@Jesusfreak28532 The British commentators comment on it. And, they don't comment on it because it's what she always does. It's not a slip, she always does that.
And, how can you say that doesn't make any sense. WATCH Nastia, you can SEE everything I pointed out. Especially on floor. She crosses her legs every twist, her double front is horribly cowboyed. Watch her bars, she always messes up her bottom swing in her giants, they are literally HORRIBLE, and her dismount id bad too ...
@Gr33nkiwi and what Im saying is that it makes no sense for the judges to allow her to get away with it on a consistent basis if she does it "every" time. They stand to gain nothing for allowing her to do something like that. Also to the whole double front, in my experience most tall gymnasts "cowboy" their double fronts, so my thinking is that they probably get a pass because its considerably more difficult for them to get into full form by the time they hit the flip part.
@Jesusfreak28532 Judges don't deduct much because she always does it. And, I love how you quoted "every time" obviously trying to insinuate that she doesn't make the form mistakes every time.
If you want an obvious place where she is not deducted look no further than bars. Every time she does a giant she flicks her knees out and bends them backwards. That's a 0.1 each time, but, they almost never give it to her consistently. They may give her 0.1 sometimes,
@Gr33nkiwi I quoted every time because you said it, not me. And it makes no sense for the judges not to deduct just because she does it every time. The sport is about perfection, not rewarding those who've developed bad habits. I just have a hard time seeing judges allowing her to make the same mistakes over and over without penalizing her. It seems to me that if they did that there would have been worldwide outrage over her medal(something like Paul Hamm etc).
@Jesusfreak28532 Check her event final bar routine. I counted 9 places where she opens her legs either on kip or giants. That's an automatic 0.9 deduction, and, that's the minimum. Yet she only got about 1.05 in deduction when there were other things wrong with the routine (some missed handstands cowboy dismount ect.)
The judges overlook this sometimes because she has a nice line. Judges have been underscoring/overscoring gymnasts for years and it does happen, and Nastia is overscored. in ex.
@Gr33nkiwi What Im saying is that I don't understand why your making such an issue of Nastia being overscored when you say yourself that its been happening for years. If its been happening for years than why do we even care? It sounds pretty normal to me
@Jesusfreak28532 Because someone put here "The Chinese were SO overscored and America was so underscored!" when, they weren't. If anything Yang Yilin was underscored and Nastia Liukin was overscored.
@Gr33nkiwi Okay, but as far as the Chinese being overscored, I think its pretty obvious that the home team almost always has the advantage when it comes to scoring. Even back in Atlanta people were saying the Americans were overscored purely because of the venue.
@Jesusfreak28532 But China wasn't overscored in the slightest ... they were actually pretty bang-on with the Chinese score, excluding maybe Yang Yilin on bars.
@Jesusfreak28532 And only got a 9.250. Anna Pavlova is so much cleaner and elegant than Nastia, yet, her execution was a full 0.1 away when her routine was beautiful.
@thepirateoftheninja - Zou Kai also "stumbled" and had a bigger step on his landing (nearly ended up falling backwards); i think Horton deserved the Gold! Zou Kai did an awesome job, but Horton was better this night! Same thing happened with the girls; both Yan Yiling on the AA competition (over-scored, specifically on the BB, 15.725) and Cheng Fei on the event finals (over-scored, finished 3rd with a fall); so let's be fair!
@thepirateoftheninja Tell that to all the 16 year-old girls who bitch about Nastia's routine not being difficult because of all the pirouetting and her less-than-perfect form. Because doing an Ono, Healy, and Ono 1 1/2 to a laid out Gienger is SO easy. Give me a break.
I think this routine was cleaner then the one Zou Kai performed, I'm not a judge, but somehow I've got the feeling that the chinnees gymnast got a higher score because the olympics were simply in China, so that had influence on the judges.
@Timboek89 Zou Kai's routine gives less flight elements than Horton's routine, but flight elements are actually not the most valuable.. you can have in-bar elements, el-grip and dorsal elements, that give more points than flight elements.
@Timboek89 And, I think it's easier to be clean in those kind of elements than in flight elements, so they could have an equivalent start note, not with the same elements, but zou kai was cleaner than horton. I think it could be a reason that zou kai was first and horton just 2nd. But I agree that Horton's routine was just awesome too :)
@Timboek89 And, I think it's easier to be clean in those kind of elements than in flight elements, so they could have an equivalent start note, not with the same elements, but zou kai was cleaner than horton. I think it could be a reason that zou kai was first and horton just 2nd. But I agree that Horton's routine was just awesome too :)
@Timboek89 Yes that's right! Horton deserves the gold medal.I'm brazilian but I think that the americans ( all ) was injured.In all of the team competition mens and womens, the chineses scores was "overscored".Alicia Sacramone in vault finals, ex, Cheng has a fall, but got the bronze.Sad for gymnastics fans.
@lilyia1 The Chinese wasn't over scored. Cheng won because of the advantage of higher difficulty over Alicia. I thought Alicia was going to win, but i see why she didn't. Same with Zhou over Jonathan. Zhou had the difficulty. As a gymnastics spectator, I loved Jonathan's and Alicia's performances. But in terms of scoring, the judges made the right decision. It's unfortunate that both Jonathan and Alicia weren't rewarded for their great performances, but that the way it is. :)
@Timboek89 This was cleaner, but Zhou Kai had the difficulty advantage. Zhou had .3 advantage over Jonathan ( 7.2 compared to 6.9). In the execution score, Jonathan did outperform Zhou by .200. But because Zhou had .300 advantage on difficulty, he had .100 over Jonathan. The result was 16.200 for Zhou and 16.100 for Jonathan. That's why Zhou got the higher score. not because of influence. :)
@Timboek89 clearly a better routine... his toe points were better, his dismound was better, and he had a higher degree of difficulty... he was totally robbed. Take it from someone that was a level 10 gymnast on high bar.. he should've won
@Timboek89 clearly a better routine... his toe points were better, his dismound was better, and he had a higher degree of difficulty... he was totally robbed. Take it from someone that was a level 10 gymnast on high bar.. he should've won
@Quie8 a boring routine like tht is not a 17.2 zhou's routine was nothing like jonathan's even the anouncers agree zhou was overscored in difficulty...
If he stuck that dismount, there probably wouldve been a good chance that he couldve gotten gold.
smeetfan1234 2 days ago
I can do that *put cheetos in mouth*
ZeroAce100 1 week ago
it seemed like that the chinese hade everything going for them in the beijing games. they won the women and the men's team. the men i could see, but the women, no.
1970kmy 3 weeks ago
Look at the Asian at 2:50 thinking "I want a biscuit"
Noahleiva1119 1 month ago
YES!!! BISCUITS FOR EVERYONE!!!
Noahleiva1119 1 month ago
Convenient how Zou Kai beat him by .25? I'm calling horshit, Chinese bastards rigged it.
hames100 1 month ago
what a dismount !! seriously :OOO
antoine1800 1 month ago
LOLL AFTR HIS 3 BIG RELEASES THE COMMENTATOR SAYS "THREE THREE HUGE DISMOUNTS" LIKE THEY ARE RELEASE MOVES BUD
MrSupernose 2 months ago
The BBC commentators make these videos so much better!
MNgymnast25 3 months ago in playlist Favorite videos
Biscuit...
bobmcbill100 4 months ago
triple-twisting double back layout!
elementyourmom 4 months ago
the 2008 beijing olympics is the most unfavorable olympics for the USA team, both men and women... they favored the home team China obviously...
qatarean09 4 months ago
@qatarean09 what about 1996 in atlanta?
weihao524 4 months ago 2
@qatarean09 I disagree ! The women team (I don't remember the men team final) did more mistakes than China did in TF !
pampl3m0usse 2 months ago
I didn't know Randy Orton was this good at the High Bar!
ParkourClearwater 4 months ago
someone get this man a biscut!
gatlar28 6 months ago 6
hes the best on highbar
WOGAGymnastDavid 6 months ago
LMAO I LOVE the BBC commentators. They are by far my favorite.
PhenixJoe 6 months ago
That man deserves a biscuit!
Hxlgg 6 months ago 59
for me this boy winned the gold medal not this chinese...but like every time ofcourse chinese guy will win in beijing....
graffitimaniaaa 6 months ago 6
Were the Chinese in 2:50 and beyond taking off their pants???
SmileXDforever 6 months ago
If it weren't for the bogus code of points, he should have taken gold.
MsMusiclover008 7 months ago 3
@MsMusiclover008 i don't think start values would have been that much of a factor considering zou kai had more form breaks, legs seperation, missed handstands, unpointed toes, a deep squat and step back on dismount. i believe that was more than enough of an equalizer for horton to win seeing how hortan really had one major mistake a step backwards on the landing. but whatever, cant change the past no matter how much i want to
agators212 6 months ago
hes a taugh cookie xD ... that man deserves a biscuit ;D:D:D! haha awsome!
katharina435 7 months ago
Jonathan Horton should of won he was cleaner and had more exciting routine
steamuser123 7 months ago 2
After the Kolman: 1:02 Three huge, huge DISMOUNTS. What the hell?
seanapaulafans 8 months ago
fantastic routine, but I don't think that gymnasts should be allowed to do 3 of such similar moves (e.g. his 3 big kovacs variations); also too many giants for a routine at this level.
PekoeDeLaRosa666 8 months ago
@PekoeDeLaRosa666 u should be quiet now, just dont talk ever again
yrmomsuncle 8 months ago
Oh god, wish i had 1 dollar for every pixel in this video....
I really need those 2 dollars
NewtonBlog 8 months ago
I really think this was just a fantastic routine - I don't know enough about judging etc to know if it should have been gold but I enjoyed this routine the most out of the final... it was amazing and very clean
lizzle7654 8 months ago
what is a double twist dismount called (going in the direction of the bar)?
pcgator2 8 months ago
The coach! lol!
Stonymypony 8 months ago
He should of beat Zou Kai! I hate to say it but the judging was accurate. It is just frustrating cause Jon's routine was cleaner and more exiting then Zou Kai's
GymnastPoop 9 months ago
Those commentators need to learn some names if the skills. They were all wrong
hames100 9 months ago
@hames100 Most of them were right but just not the common terms. Like he did a Yamawaki and they said Markelov, but in the FIG code of points it says Yamawaki is a Markelov with legs together. Or the Cassina or layout Kolmanm is just a layout Kovacs with a 1/1 twist. He used awkward words but they were still correct
Manningxx1 9 months ago
@Manningxx1 well of course he can watch and say wat hes doing but he cant identify the specific skills, for one, yamawaki and markelov are two different skills. second, those kovacses he did have names, and all he said was "layout kovacs! full twist layout kovacs! tuck twist in the kovacs!" he obviously doesnt know the names of the skills is all im saying. and when he says "mr miller invented that move many years ago." he probably doesnt know the guys first name, its not in the code as a miller
hames100 9 months ago
@Manningxx1 For the other thing in the code the triple twisting double layout is called a fedorchenko. because fedorchenko was the first to do it off highbar. However the skill wasn't INVENTED on highbar. it was invented on trampoline by none other then Wayne Miller. He knows alot more then both you and me, so read up before you try to argue.
Manningxx1 9 months ago
@hames100, Terminology. It's made to be viewed by the general public. Besides he is British they have different names for stuff For the Yamawaki Markelov. the markelov came first and Yamawaki was called straight markelov for years until the more recent code of points the last 3 Olympic years began calling it Yamawaki. Because he was the first to do it.
Manningxx1 9 months ago
man this guy is so beast!!! kovaces are completly tight dang super awsome
TheCasper1901 10 months ago
Fairly entertaining in it's own right...but add those commentators...television GOLD...
Ashitaka1110 10 months ago 30
he shouldve got the gold medal..
thejasminetan 10 months ago
w h a t t h e h e l l
udemike 10 months ago
That man who deserves a biscuit graduated from my hometown :D
sora1234980 10 months ago
That's awesome! I watched this when it was actually showing during the olympics! Love it!!
gymnasticsgirl4729 11 months ago
Haha that man deserves a biscuit
Ramoneskater123 11 months ago
THAT MAN DID NOT DESERVED A BISCUIT HE DESERVED THE GOLD MEDAL DAT'S WHAT HE DESERVED... ;=)
hondutrujilloca 11 months ago 2
I love the coaches reaction! haha
drboii228 11 months ago
soo powerfull!
supaja 11 months ago
i hope a biscuit was given to him
nintendocrew 11 months ago
Best routine of the night by far. It's a damn shame he didn't win the gold.
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TheKartracer6 1 year ago
only reason Zou Kai won is because hes Chinese Johnathons was way better
gffff25 1 year ago
GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLD!!!!!!!!!!!! I was so mad wen he got silver!
TheSickNastiest 1 year ago
That man deserves a biscuit!
hames100 1 year ago
Oh c'mon. Some1 learn that comentator guy all the skill names. He kinda said dismounts not releases when Horton did all the kovacs.
Btw the straight full twisting is a Cassina, full twisting tuck kovacs - Kolman. :)
seanapaulafans 1 year ago
@seanapaulafans Oh, come on. Do you really believe that Fenner doesn't know releases from dismounts? It was clearly a slip of tongue, lighten up. Appreciate him, because he's the best, most informed english speaking gymnastics commentator there is.
MaebySurelyBarely 1 year ago
wow. his coach jumps sooooo high when he lands
ringotut 1 year ago
In my opinion he is the only "Epic" gymnast from America.
WC4ME 1 year ago
Beijing is such a big bulshit olympic games, no wonder chinesse got all the gold medals in almost all sports..
Jonathan supposed to be win the gold medals!! but thats ok, london 2012 will wait him and his wife :)
newflava89AGAIN 1 year ago
8 people couldn't catch their kovacs
Bebbar 1 year ago
Love the BBC commentators. BBC has the best gymnastic commentators in the world lol :-)
journalistgirl07 1 year ago 42
@journalistgirl07 SO true. i HATE the NBC commentators.
fishdude77 8 months ago
@journalistgirl07 you're freaking right!
ldpproenca10 7 months ago
this is greatest ever
GodBlessYou2008 1 year ago
This is a great routine... Zou Kai won the gold though because he has a greater difficulty. I agree that this was a great routine though...
BubbleTeaLove13 1 year ago
if only he would have stuck it!!
isaaccoronado11 1 year ago
I just love the commentator "that man diserves a biscuit", he's amazing !
About Horton, he should have won, Zou Kai's form where awfully and he didn't hit any handstands -____-. Chinese won in China...
Missnewyork28 1 year ago
I don't know how people can do gymnastics , especially high bar. just being upside donw makes me nervous, let alone doing flips over a 15ft high bar. Its amazing to me
Sjones675 1 year ago
three huge huge..."dismounts" hahaha wtf
kieranjollygymnast 1 year ago
he was robbed
kieranjollygymnast 1 year ago
How the FUCK did this not win gold? I just watched zou kai's routine and it's nowhere NEAR as impressive!
TheGCable 1 year ago
zou kai won because of all the connection bonus he had like the endo healy eagle to stretched jaeger
electriczero22 1 year ago
hahaha that man deserves a biscut! lol that commentator is hilarious
liukinluver99 1 year ago
I LOVE that commentator
MadFlenser 1 year ago
epic
EverythingElse723 1 year ago
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bwolf1234 1 year ago
clearly a better routine... his toe points were better, his dismound was better, and he had a higher degree of difficulty... he was totally robbed. Take it from someone that was a level 10 gymnast on high bar.. he should've won!
bwolf1234 1 year ago
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@bwolf1234 Zhou's routine was actually harder than Jonathan's, if you can believe it. Jonathan's routine was incredible, but Zhou had the advantage. Zhou's SV was 7.2, Jonathan's was 6.9. Jonathan had the better execution score by .2. But because Zhou had .3 higher difficulty, he got .1 higher than Jonathan.
End result...
Zhou 16.200
Jonathan 16.100
that is why Zhou won gold. Maybe from a spectator point of view, Jonathan's your winner.:)
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Quie8 1 year ago
He is so cute, i would love to see him in underwear :)
Holycani 1 year ago
"he's a tough cookie"
AAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA that was great(:
ballet322 1 year ago
I think this routine is more thrilling than that of Zou Kai. I love both.
gonzrule 1 year ago
I cant help but watch this all the time. Never boring .
lisapizza16 1 year ago
He got robbed!
roch202020 1 year ago
the only reason horton got second was because he was in china, fuckin chinks
YDGpowerthree 1 year ago
@YDGpowerthree Chinks won the 2008 Olympics. Are you crying now you fuckin racist bitch?
chingvang559 1 year ago
jonathan would have won the gold medal if the code was changed before the olympics, because kolman straight is now a g-element
supaja 1 year ago
His coach was sooo happy!!! :) good!
starrgirl991 1 year ago
his coach jumped nearly as high as his dismount haha
jjbulls4523 1 year ago
That man deserves a BISCUIT
tjohnson946 1 year ago 187
@tjohnson946 Gotta love the Brittish!! :) That cracked me up so hard..
08dressageGal 11 months ago
man idk i really do think this routine was better than zou kai's routine but thats just my opinion...
Shorty101x3 1 year ago
if he would have stuck the landing, i wonder who would have won the tie breaker?
Lenae6292 1 year ago
I respect Jonathan Horton for accepting the judges' desision.
There is not need to be a sore loser like Egveni Plusheko.
xfalcongodx 1 year ago 2
He's one tough cookie who deserves a biscuit!
MaebySurelyBarely 1 year ago 3
This routine (and the way some people are taking to it) is like Diane Dos Santos's floor. She has the huge tumbles, but she has NO connections and no dance (in Horton's case pirouettes)
Horton gets high marks for his releases and dismount but that's only 4 skills, his other skills are just not as difficult unlike Zou Kai who had difficulty all the way through his routine./
Gr33nkiwi 1 year ago
I think the zou kai one was cleaner, but i prefer this routine much more in aggression and style.
i also prefer horton's dismount. for something massive like that he stuck it better than zou kais.
Sail17 1 year ago
@SGhockeychika4 Yes. I really was sad for the Hamm's brotthers, the gymnastics lose too much and i tottaly agree with you that the americans was aggrieved without them, but I stil guess that the chineses had a "overscores".Maybe they won at any rate, but with the real scores.
lilyia1 1 year ago
lol
ZeroAce100 1 year ago
GOOD LAWD
catpoop2430 1 year ago
thats bullshit he tottaly deserved a golden biscut! That chinese guy didn't have as nearly enough difficulty!
luv4cookie1 1 year ago 3
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Zou Kai got first, but jonathan should have won the gold!
feikevandervijver 1 year ago
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Zou Kai got first, but Jonathan should have won gold!
feikevandervijver 1 year ago
Zou Kai got first, but Jonathan should have won gold!!
feikevandervijver 1 year ago 2
who got first??
Shorty101x3 1 year ago
'That man deserves a biscuit!' - good call.
tabbycat123 1 year ago
that man deserves a biscuit!:P love it <3<3<3 he deserved gold
sbar17 1 year ago 3
he should hav gotten gold his routine was SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO much cleanr than zou kai who almost fel on his dismount
weflip12 1 year ago 19
@weflip12 I totally agree
lisapizza16 1 year ago
@weflip12 yeah because you're an olympic Judge..........
chinwaggler 1 year ago
I love the call--"that man deserves a biscuit!" This clearly, clearly, clearly was better than Zou Kai, who probably deserved fourth place.
ctcassidy 1 year ago
Screw zou kai everyone horton is the true olympic champion on this apperatus
liukin95 1 year ago
Jonathan routine looks more exciting because his releases are al over the bar.Those 3 releases are dramatic to watch and have high values.He has been credited for it in his difficulty value.His other moves combined together gave him a difficulty value that was still lower than Zou Kai by 0.3.Thats why he lost.
zou kai's twisting moves into elgrip are also very difficult but do not look dramatic or exciting.
To win you need both sufficient high difficulty value and good execution.
francislsp 1 year ago
@francislsp Problem is, Kai had four form breaks and missed four or five handstands by 45 degrees or more--should have been deductions. Judges were tired here, apparently. Horton only had one or two visible breaks. Kai shouldn't have even medaled.
ctcassidy 1 year ago 3
haha! that man deserves a biscuit!
kixxxtyler 1 year ago
that man deserves a biscuit!!!
flipkid2233 1 year ago
awesom
spasskonto10 1 year ago
tht man deserves a biscuit! lol
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@Timboek89 And, I think it's easier to be clean in those kind of elements than in flight elements, so they could have an equivalent start note, not with the same elements, but zou kai was cleaner than horton. I think it could be a reason that zou kai was first and horton just 2nd. But I agree that Horton's routine was just awesome too :)
KalaXionE 1 year ago
Let's just make this clear. If anyone in Beijing was overscored on execution it was Nastia Liukin BY FAR. So, Americans do not complain.
Gr33nkiwi 1 year ago
@Gr33nkiwi How? If you're going to make a claim than back it up
Jesusfreak28532 1 year ago
@Jesusfreak28532 You only have to look to floor. Her event final floor routine scored an execution of 9.350, I believe the highest execution on floor the entire Olympics. Yet, her floor is hideous.
1) Crossed legs on every twisting line, That should be a 0.1 each time.
2) Double front, horribly cowboyed They could even take away 0.3, but they don't
3) Her dance is horrible, she puts no emotion into it.
4) Her 11/2 punch 11/2 is always horribly low.
Anna Pavlova did a PERFECT routine in the AA
Gr33nkiwi 1 year ago
@Gr33nkiwi Interesting. I just find it odd that every commentator Ive watched(not just the Americans), have not commented on that. I just find it hard to believe that the judges would overscore someone so blatantly and not have anyone call them on it. After what happened in 2004, I highly doubt that they would be so blatant as to overscore someone by at least .5, that just doesn't make any sense.
Jesusfreak28532 1 year ago
@Jesusfreak28532 The British commentators comment on it. And, they don't comment on it because it's what she always does. It's not a slip, she always does that.
And, how can you say that doesn't make any sense. WATCH Nastia, you can SEE everything I pointed out. Especially on floor. She crosses her legs every twist, her double front is horribly cowboyed. Watch her bars, she always messes up her bottom swing in her giants, they are literally HORRIBLE, and her dismount id bad too ...
Gr33nkiwi 1 year ago
@Gr33nkiwi and what Im saying is that it makes no sense for the judges to allow her to get away with it on a consistent basis if she does it "every" time. They stand to gain nothing for allowing her to do something like that. Also to the whole double front, in my experience most tall gymnasts "cowboy" their double fronts, so my thinking is that they probably get a pass because its considerably more difficult for them to get into full form by the time they hit the flip part.
Jesusfreak28532 1 year ago
@Jesusfreak28532 Judges don't deduct much because she always does it. And, I love how you quoted "every time" obviously trying to insinuate that she doesn't make the form mistakes every time.
If you want an obvious place where she is not deducted look no further than bars. Every time she does a giant she flicks her knees out and bends them backwards. That's a 0.1 each time, but, they almost never give it to her consistently. They may give her 0.1 sometimes,
Gr33nkiwi 1 year ago
@Gr33nkiwi I quoted every time because you said it, not me. And it makes no sense for the judges not to deduct just because she does it every time. The sport is about perfection, not rewarding those who've developed bad habits. I just have a hard time seeing judges allowing her to make the same mistakes over and over without penalizing her. It seems to me that if they did that there would have been worldwide outrage over her medal(something like Paul Hamm etc).
Jesusfreak28532 1 year ago
@Gr33nkiwi Since there wasn't, I highly doubt Nastias the only one who gets "rewarded" for her bad form
Jesusfreak28532 1 year ago
@Jesusfreak28532 Check her event final bar routine. I counted 9 places where she opens her legs either on kip or giants. That's an automatic 0.9 deduction, and, that's the minimum. Yet she only got about 1.05 in deduction when there were other things wrong with the routine (some missed handstands cowboy dismount ect.)
The judges overlook this sometimes because she has a nice line. Judges have been underscoring/overscoring gymnasts for years and it does happen, and Nastia is overscored. in ex.
Gr33nkiwi 1 year ago
@Gr33nkiwi What Im saying is that I don't understand why your making such an issue of Nastia being overscored when you say yourself that its been happening for years. If its been happening for years than why do we even care? It sounds pretty normal to me
Jesusfreak28532 1 year ago
@Jesusfreak28532 Because someone put here "The Chinese were SO overscored and America was so underscored!" when, they weren't. If anything Yang Yilin was underscored and Nastia Liukin was overscored.
Gr33nkiwi 1 year ago
@Gr33nkiwi Okay, but as far as the Chinese being overscored, I think its pretty obvious that the home team almost always has the advantage when it comes to scoring. Even back in Atlanta people were saying the Americans were overscored purely because of the venue.
Jesusfreak28532 1 year ago
@Jesusfreak28532 But China wasn't overscored in the slightest ... they were actually pretty bang-on with the Chinese score, excluding maybe Yang Yilin on bars.
Gr33nkiwi 1 year ago
@Jesusfreak28532 And only got a 9.250. Anna Pavlova is so much cleaner and elegant than Nastia, yet, her execution was a full 0.1 away when her routine was beautiful.
Gr33nkiwi 1 year ago
pure testosterone.
Exerciso 1 year ago
He is insane!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
gymnastics47 1 year ago
That is so easy i can do that I'm lvl 6 and i can do all of that in my sleep.(cough) (cough)
ZeroAce100 1 year ago
Man do I love these BBC commentators
paiges38 1 year ago 4
that man deserves a biscuit.
gkboyle 1 year ago 4
That man deserves a biscuit
Lilytb4 1 year ago 2
That man deserves a biscuit.
turkeyhead15271212 1 year ago 2
that man deserves a biscuit!!!! lol
greyskies34 2 years ago
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Jesusfreak28532 2 years ago
@greyskies34 quite possible one of the funniest sayings ive hever heard
Jesusfreak28532 2 years ago
OMG you should all do your research before banging the judges!
Zou Kai: 16.200 (final score)
Jonathan Horton: 16.175 (final score)
There was 0.025 points between them! Americans need to get over themselves. This guy WOULD have won had he not stumbled on his landing.
PS:
Zou Kai had a higher start value - 7.20
Horton had a higher execution score - 9.275.
Therefore, according to FIG standards, Zou Kai's routine was actually harder.
Quit complaining and learn how the sport works.
thepirateoftheninja 2 years ago
@thepirateoftheninja - Zou Kai also "stumbled" and had a bigger step on his landing (nearly ended up falling backwards); i think Horton deserved the Gold! Zou Kai did an awesome job, but Horton was better this night! Same thing happened with the girls; both Yan Yiling on the AA competition (over-scored, specifically on the BB, 15.725) and Cheng Fei on the event finals (over-scored, finished 3rd with a fall); so let's be fair!
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roch202020 1 year ago
@thepirateoftheninja Tell that to all the 16 year-old girls who bitch about Nastia's routine not being difficult because of all the pirouetting and her less-than-perfect form. Because doing an Ono, Healy, and Ono 1 1/2 to a laid out Gienger is SO easy. Give me a break.
markedexclusive 1 year ago 2
"hes a tough cookie" hahahahaha "that man deserves a biscuit"
MrHappymonkeyfish 2 years ago
diserves gold!
thijsken007 2 years ago 2
this routine definately should have beaten zou kai, i mean cmon...
liivetolaugh 2 years ago 13
Three words....
That. Is. Ridiculous.
moondog1997 2 years ago 2
I think this routine was cleaner then the one Zou Kai performed, I'm not a judge, but somehow I've got the feeling that the chinnees gymnast got a higher score because the olympics were simply in China, so that had influence on the judges.
The routine is awesom anyway!
Anyway
Timboek89 2 years ago 51
tats how i felt too! like in the woman's uneven bars!
stardust38 2 years ago 6
I totally agree. same thing for the womans gymnastics team
lisapizza16 2 years ago
@Timboek89 cats
bunnyman1245 2 years ago
@Timboek89 No, not at all. Although this routine was good, it's not as clean.
Gr33nkiwi 1 year ago
@Timboek89 Zou Kai's routine gives less flight elements than Horton's routine, but flight elements are actually not the most valuable.. you can have in-bar elements, el-grip and dorsal elements, that give more points than flight elements.
KalaXionE 1 year ago
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@Timboek89 And, I think it's easier to be clean in those kind of elements than in flight elements, so they could have an equivalent start note, not with the same elements, but zou kai was cleaner than horton. I think it could be a reason that zou kai was first and horton just 2nd. But I agree that Horton's routine was just awesome too :)
KalaXionE 1 year ago
@Timboek89 And, I think it's easier to be clean in those kind of elements than in flight elements, so they could have an equivalent start note, not with the same elements, but zou kai was cleaner than horton. I think it could be a reason that zou kai was first and horton just 2nd. But I agree that Horton's routine was just awesome too :)
KalaXionE 1 year ago
@Timboek89 totally agree :(
Gymnast861 1 year ago
@Timboek89 Yes that's right! Horton deserves the gold medal.I'm brazilian but I think that the americans ( all ) was injured.In all of the team competition mens and womens, the chineses scores was "overscored".Alicia Sacramone in vault finals, ex, Cheng has a fall, but got the bronze.Sad for gymnastics fans.
lilyia1 1 year ago 2
@lilyia1 The Chinese wasn't over scored. Cheng won because of the advantage of higher difficulty over Alicia. I thought Alicia was going to win, but i see why she didn't. Same with Zhou over Jonathan. Zhou had the difficulty. As a gymnastics spectator, I loved Jonathan's and Alicia's performances. But in terms of scoring, the judges made the right decision. It's unfortunate that both Jonathan and Alicia weren't rewarded for their great performances, but that the way it is. :)
Quie8 1 year ago
@Timboek89 This was cleaner, but Zhou Kai had the difficulty advantage. Zhou had .3 advantage over Jonathan ( 7.2 compared to 6.9). In the execution score, Jonathan did outperform Zhou by .200. But because Zhou had .300 advantage on difficulty, he had .100 over Jonathan. The result was 16.200 for Zhou and 16.100 for Jonathan. That's why Zhou got the higher score. not because of influence. :)
Quie8 1 year ago
@Timboek89
It was cleaner, he gotter a higher execution score. But Zou Kai had quite a good advantage over Horton in terms of difficulty.
So, no, China wasn't overscored. If anything certain Americans *cough* Nastia Liukin *cough* were overscored.
Gr33nkiwi 1 year ago
@Timboek89 how that china guy had like barley any release moves and a medicore dismout compared to horton!
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@Timboek89 clearly a better routine... his toe points were better, his dismound was better, and he had a higher degree of difficulty... he was totally robbed. Take it from someone that was a level 10 gymnast on high bar.. he should've won
bwolf1234 1 year ago
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@Timboek89 clearly a better routine... his toe points were better, his dismound was better, and he had a higher degree of difficulty... he was totally robbed. Take it from someone that was a level 10 gymnast on high bar.. he should've won
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Quie8 1 year ago
@Quie8 a boring routine like tht is not a 17.2 zhou's routine was nothing like jonathan's even the anouncers agree zhou was overscored in difficulty...
ellovestumbling332 1 year ago