We didn't "win" at Khe Sanh, we "survived". A few months after we "won" this battle we pulled out of the area, leaving it to NVA if they even wanted it. Khe Sanh was a battle of stubborn will. How much did the USA spend to fight this battle? God only knows. Giap deployed his artillery brilliantly and we used brute air power to keep NVA at bay. What a waste of life and money so the generals can "play" at war...
Here are ten good reasons why thinking Americans should love their country.. 1.Entertainmen 2.Immigration 3.Technology 4.Creating Wealth 5.Generosity 6.Human Achievement 7.Enlightened Power 8.Medicine 9.Democracy 10.Freedom Why are Americans, despite the national self-hatred expressed by so many elites,Because America is a force for good in the world as no country has ever been. There's nowhere else I'd even consider living.
@Ericzx3 funny thing about American nationalists is that it reminds me of North Korean Nationalists. Yes The US is a much better country.But some people are just fucking blind when it comes to the truth. I like my own country, but i dont think its better then all other countrys, Just because we score high on the list of best country to live in by the UN. Its ok to be proud of who and what you are but that dont make you superior to other nations. Im from Norway by the way.
@Svinabogen By the U.S. being the wealthiest, strongest and most influential nation, it is considered the police of the world and its actions or inaction affects other nations. One notable area is regarding the issue of debt and poverty. Being a major part of the every country and helping to formulate the United Nations over 50 years ago, the US’ actions can be felt around the world.Then the rest of the world would start to accept us again. It is just a matter of trust and giving.
@Dalamon1 you can also say we are the strongest because of our strong military and war technology. ALSO when other country has crisis and natural diaster the US is the one any country comes to first..
that's not to say the US is perfect but compared to other countries it's much stronger
china has human rights issues (less freedoms, a shortage of women due to years of female infanticide, along with other pitfalls)
Russia poorly developed economy and has a very strict government
Military of russia is similiar to usa. Human rights in china are probably wors in some ways but china in general is more flexible. Did u knew that in china most of ppl dont pay taxes? they are not recieving any money when they are old but it comes hand in hand. In china aswell when is too hot goverment orders to change day shifts and night ones so ppl work during nightime. China is allready stronger then Usa in a matter of economics.
@Dalamon1 sorry Dalamon i didn't see this reply ......but here I go.Well, now our economy is 38% of the world's total. Our economy has grown not only in real dollars, but as a proportion of the world's total, despite the 10s of millions of illegals crossing are border,despite our giving 100s of billions of dollars in aide around the world, including to China. China helps no one, but is headset on becoming dominant in the world by trying to controll space.
:D I would love to know where exactly are you spending those "100s of biliions of dollars in aid" and especially for china :DD. Really man, you are day dreaming. Usa is not involved anywhere, where they wont profit....
And russias economy is extremly powerfull. You have to understeand that maybe you dont feel that way as an american, making joked of russians. But ive been in Moscow and Ny aswell and i can tell that both nations have many similiarities. Russians are making jokes of america beeign a poor country aswell. Just to tell you, a cup of tea in Moscow cost me 12 euro...whats like 16dollars. Moscow is the most expensive city on earth.There are bentleys,lamborginis,jaguars and others everywhere.
@Dalamon1 There is no doubt that America uses economic institutions, i.e. corporations, to infiltrate other countries' sovereignty, but Russia does exactly the same. Russia is no different than the US in that they have imperialist intentions and simply cannot keep their guns in their pants. Comment was regarded to the goverment not it's people!!!
NOBODY LIKES AMERICAN SOLDIERS REMEMBER THAT !!! and if u ask yourself why? then try to think the last time that soldiers where deployed somewhere for a good cause... NONE... only if there's oil... and nevertheless you people support them, for what? i have nothing against americans in general, but i'dd really like to put a bullet in your heads to everyone who is calling those soldiers heroes...
@konsteve meet me somewhere, I'd like to see if you COULD put a bullet in my head, lol. You're a fucking tough guy talking anonymous shit on the internet. The United States is still the best country in the world. It stil has the largest economy in the world. We still have the strongest military...FULL OF HEROES.
@human151 of course u have, but u still didn't answered my question, what's so heroic in invading a country?
on the other hand i agree with you, america has the strongest military, but only because u guys are always at war, whose reason is always oil. Can't u see that ?... And obsiously you have never lived in an other country saying tha america is the best country...
Bloody hell, I have to put my hat to my heart to these vietnamise vets (NV and SV) they thought hell fighting a war only higher command wanted to fight.
Thank you for your reply. I do Nixon said he would end the war but it went on until 1972. I thank your Dad for his service in 3 Wars. Hard to believe 3 Wars is unreal. I will watch Fog of War and see what I get from it. I just get very angry when I see on a shirt I have just purchased "Made in Vietnam" Bothers me.
Mr. Tessler I will waqtch "Fog of War" again and will study it more closley. No need to be insulting. You say you are 58 yo. I am 2 years older than you so this was something I followed as a Teen From 1965 to 1969 because of a thing we had then called "The Draft". No not the lottery the Draft. I may have been young but knew my ass would be sent there. My father a WW2 Purple Heart recipent did not like the way Johnson ran the war and how he left office with the war just hanging and no bombing.
@bobtis -- then, believing as you do (effed up, imo), your beef is still with NIXON; he had bombs & nukes at his disposal too, ya know.
fyi, my father was combat vet of 3 wars in asia: japan, korea & vietnam; 1/3 of his squadron (w/similiar service) took early retirement when ordered to vietnam, not cuz they were cowards (combat vets all), but cuz we couldn't bomb JAPAN to knees when militarily finished (took 2 nukes) & korea ended in draw; they saw writing on wall & vietnam wasn't worth it.
@bobtis -- blow it out your hairy ear, bobbie. NIXON had vietnam war longer than johnson... nukes, you say? yep, maybe. but why NUKE a country of NO strategic value cuz we got the 'domino theory' thing WRONG. read back a couple of pages in comments... watch all of 'fog of way'... try not to post more tired, discredited bs about vietmam war.
golly, ger-- you went back month to dredge "jwcondreyjr" as EXCUSE to recite PEACETIME service in pacific. what a piece of shit you are, 'vet' or no; you disrespect real deal COMBAT veterans whose toilet paper you aren't fit to off-load.THIS offends me most, tho:
"Enter Vietnam and MacNamera. McNamera was fighting the korean war."
my dad & macnamara both served in lemay's WW2 command on GUAM; during KOREA, mac was AUTO EXECUTIVE. watch 'fog o war' re: mac's mindset. idiot.
I enjoy reading some of the comments that are being posted however, some of the comments are made in response to other posts. Then others try to comment on the posts and they are out of context. The posts can become unorganized and irrealevent but thanks for the comments.
Yes, every war US use a lot of money to save your US ass. Poor country have to pay high dead for your big money on airforce and bombing. Luckily, after every single win of US country again poor country, china and Russia take advance time and resource to move on.
And you know what.... let US win another some war, and RUSSIA and CHINA will bomb all of US city without afraid, because US ALREADY BROKE!
Yes, pls bomb more country on more stupid war, god bless US.
The US military can easily win any conventional war where the enemy is clearly defined and in BDUs thanks to our supreme firepower and technological gadgets.
In a long drawn out insurgency war, such as Vietnam then and Iraq/Afghan now, the US military will lose due to:
a) The unwillingness to take casualties on our side
b) The utterly high cost to keep US war machines well oiled
c) A high dollar war cannot be carried on for decades
d) America is at the mall while US Marines are at war
Thank you for understanding our predicament. If the vietcong or the middle eastern insurgents wore uniforms, it would be the Gulf War all over again. A war won so quickly it was not even considered by the public a war but an operation. A war in which we lost NOT A SINGLE TANK. A war in which we lost 113 men to enemy fire and inflicted 30,000 fatalities, thats not counting the TENS OF THOUSANDS who surrendered to US forces
That is exactly what we are going to say about the Iraqis when we and whatever is left of our "coalition" pull out of Iraq within the next year or two.
Vietnamization is a face saving maneuver. We never replaced the loss of weapons and supplies to SVN on the 1 for 1 basis, which was the term we signed on the Paris accord in 1972 for us to completely pull out of Vietnam in March 1973.
well we have had band of brothers and the picific ,id like to see some heroes from the vietnam war , i find it educating , but only from one side , i also like to read what it was like for the supposed enemy ...
Khe Sanh was well planned by the NVA. You can't win a war you're not right in. The US Government used "linebaker II" to bring the NVA back to the bargaining table. The US fought the NVA, VC, Soviets, and Chinese. No way to win a war like that.
@gerry301 McArtur was fired for incompetance, and disloyalty to his commander. After general Walker died in a jeep accident, Mathew Ridgeway was put in command and McArtur placed outside the chain of command. Although McArthur still showed up for photo ops after a victory, it was Ridgeways show. Ridgeway stopped the retreat and started pushing back. He was excellant (ref: Chip Yong Ni) He fired a number of commanders who had retreat plans but no offensive plans.
@gerry30: "I mean like why, you know, do you think [vietnam war] was 'fucking stupid'?"
cuz like, vietnam had been fighting CHINA for 1000 years, so were, like, NEVER gonna seek chinese military aide/support (like north korea) and just, like, wanted own country back fr french colonialists & US cold arriors worshipping 'domino theory' they dreamt up...
o yeah. and needless dead soldiers & civilians. lots of them. millions... that's why vietnam war was "fucking stupid."
@tessler6868 LOL, but China did support North Vietnam during the war, to include almost 1,000 advisors being killed. When the French left Vietnam the country was divided by the UN and over 1 million fled the north to get away from communism. The Berlin wall had gone up just a few years earlier, South Korea was invaded by the communist north, Hungary was crushed by the Soviets, communist insurgency in Greece was thwarted. Domino theory dreamt up?
@gerry30 -- dude, you conflate vietnam & korea. TOTALLY different situations & histories. ho chi minh was american-educated, admired jefferson & BEGGED allies not to allow french back after ww2. french came back, vietnamese expelled them & UN got involved cuz WEST was pissed off & spooked ala newly-hatched domino theory (KOREA BORDERED china & historically had good relations w/same). ho chi minh was nationalist, not communist, but US blundered us into assassinations, coups & intervention.
@tessler6868 Didn't know Ho was educated in the US. I always thought it was in Vietnam and France. He did visit the US for a while but then moved on. Letting the French back in was more a British decision than that of the US, as responsibility for South East Asia was given to the British after WWII as determined at Yalta. The US would be responsible for the Phillipines on up in East Asia. The Accords for dividing north from the south were signed by both the French and the Viet Mihn in 1954.
@gerry301 -- dude, you keep blathering banalities & irrelevancies. AGAIN, korea & vietnam were different situations w/different HISTORIES but US erroneously lumped together as possible communist 'satellites' of china: aka domino theory. AGAIN, this lack of differentiation was MISTAKE that led to our ill-fated intervention in NATIONALIST movement against colonial french (originally)...
yalta & who signed 54 accords after ho chi expelled colonial-french after WEST let them return ... irrelevant.
@tessler6868 "Blathering banalities & irrelivencies"? "Satellites of China"? "w/different HISTORIES"? The "domino theory" had nothing to do with Korea. The domino theory was that if Vietnam went communist, Laos, Thailand, and Cambodia would soon follow. The "French" were "gone" when the US sent advisors to help against the Viet Cong insurgency. Your attempt to side step history and the importance of the meeting at Yalta is an attempt to rewrite history to your satisfaction.
@gerry301 -- KOREA? where you served peacetime & married, etc? this is VIETNAM video. a war you don't know jack about but what you WANT to believe. you can find nutso authors on any subject, but won't find vietnam COMBAT vet who believes vietnam was winnable, save nuking.
" 'French' were 'gone' when US sent advisors to help against Viet Cong insurgency" -- cuz US erroneously applied DOMINO theory to a NATIONALIST conflict
you are NOT a combat vet, just blathering word warrior. piss off
@tessler6868 China and Korea share the same border but historically did 'not' have good relations. China had several times in history invaded Korea. This has much to with with why Kim Il Jong went to Stalin for support of his invasion than to Mao who was interested at the time. Kim refused Maos offer of help. It was only later when things became dire that Kim allowed the Chinese into the war. As I stated above, there was concern over the spread of communism at the time.
@jwcondreyjr Am familiar with the Korean war. McArthur was fired because he was out of touch with reality and believe only himself. Truman on meeting with McArthur asked him about "what if the Chinese intervien" McArthur thought Truman a dunce and said he had everything in hand. Even when many of the reports showed otherwise. McArthur also went over Trumans head and went to Taiwan to talk about Chang Ki cheks help in the war. When the Chinese did enter McArthur wanted to use nukes.
@jwcondreyjr The chinese were stopped cold by Ridgeway and lost many many troops during the next two years to Ridgeways tactics. Enter Vietnam and MacNamera. McNamera was fighting the korean war. Hold the line, find them, fix them, and use US weapons to kill them. Body count would be the the factor to wear the NVA out. Unfortunately this wasn't Korea and the NVA strategy was to just stay in the fight. Thus every battle a victory. The NVA could choose the time and place to fight.
@jwcondreyjr Let me see? I spent two years in Korea, one on the DMZ, and another at a mountain site. Married a Korean girl while I was there. Have read most every book written about the Korean conflict, to include the recent "Coldest Winter" wriiten by David Halberstam. It is considered the best up to date history of the Korean war as it includes cables sent by Russian diplomates at the time as well as other achival material now available since the breakup of the Soviet union. And you?
@jwcondreyjr As for Vietnam, I spent 7 years in Asia including one in Vietnam. Have read close to 100 books on the war to include Bernard Falls " Street without Joy". On the other hand you are right in claiming the war was lost due to mismanagement at the highest levels of government. By the way, MacArthur was fired for incompetance, first claiming the North Koreans would run at the sight of US troops, then not regarding intelligence that was increasingly showing Chinese in Korea.
Very tenacious and desperate fighting for the marines back then. Talk about determination! Not far from there I heard that their was a Special Forces camp that was also going under a tough siege, and asked the Marines for help. It was a tough decision for the Marines because they were going through their own hell. The North Vietnamese Army was a force to be reckoned with.
@jwcondreyjr The VC and the North forces never numbered more than 800000 anytime.At the height of the war,the US had 500000,not including the south forces.Vietnam was a full-blown war in all respects. Guerrilla warfare isn't an excuse:-Other countries have dealt with it.
Frankly speaking the American ground forces are vastly over-rated:-Low discipline,over-dependence on air cover,An outdated war philosophy,human rights-No wonder the Chinese and the terrorists are so confident...
@redtihor1 Don't bet on it. Its what an army can bring to the fight more than bravery that exists on all sides in a war. The war 'strategy' was faulty from the political top during Vietnam. A strategy of attrition (body counts) vs 'staying in the fight as long as it takes' cannot win, if the enemy can choose the time and place of battle. The US after Vietnam, Iraq, Afganistan, is perhaps the best in the world at defeating any terrorists or insugents. Tell me who is doing better?
@gerry301 Regarding insurgency,the best are the Israelis,followed by the Thais-If one forgets about the HR issues and near-genocide taking place there...Americans have a good record-when it comes to their own troops.Don't forget about the Afghans,Pakistanis and Iraqis dying each day.The current strategy of internal siege being followed by US generals is based on that premise only...Great way of winning hearts and minds indeed !!
@gerry301 In Vietnam,the funny thing was that both the French and the Americans seemed to be trying their best to lose...I never questioned the bravery of the poor chaps on the ground;It was just that the planning,the execution,the PR-the entire war effort itself was a textbook case of "How not to win a war".
Add the fact that the army fought the entire war as if they expected the Vietminh to charge in on Panzers and T-72s;That's not the way to face an enemy at all...
oh yes, america loves to to bomb 3rd world countries and support dictators if its opportune. always in the name of freedom and peace. i make a low bow to the ppl of north vietnam for not surrendering in front of a highly superior force of invaders
war are crazy , civilian are the casualties.. , vietnamese killing each other.foreigner intervention made it worst.. why they prolong the agony.. if they can easily nuke the enemy place..first evacuate all civilian, put them on one safe place, then nuke every enemy field.. gas them.. its a seems crazy idea.. that are the reality of war..needs crazy idea to end war quickly , .... .. and thank God my crazy idea never been done..or else.. vietnam will not be as productive like today..
@ericksonhermo I really hope that you were joking with the N-bomb idea;But what did you mean by pro-life?War involves death and suffering-that's why people are both repulsed and attracted by it...
Your initial idea will never work-Just consider the moral implications...The US interferes where it has no business and bombs the fuck out of it's enemies ?
Iran isn't the only nation calling them the Great Satan and there's a reason why it does...
@redtihor1 WE ARE IN THE WORLD WHERE THE POWERFUL NATIONS CONTROLS THE WEAK NATION.. ITS A MATTER OF CHOOSING SIDES.. NATION THAT WANT TO BE LEFT ALONE AND RISE AGAINST THE POWERFUL .. WILL BE ASSUME AS TERRORIST NATION, WAR WILL BE PLOTTED ON THAT NATION, OIL EMBARGO ETC.. THATS MY OPINION..
@ericksonhermo You really are strange...I can't make out whether you're in earnest or simply joking. Nations that want to be left alone do have a name-"rogue states". These generally have totalitarism/ Theocracies and are hardly models for the rest of the world to emulate. As for Iraq and Afghanistan, both wars were long overdue.
The U.S could have won the war if they had invaded the north as early as 1963, before the communist had a sizable amount of support from the south vietnamese and
America's youth counter-culture. According to Sun Tzu's art of war, you shoudn't launch lengthy campaigns and countrys should be conquered intact.
@Rockguitarhero462 learn why they didnt invade the north and you will understand that the USA had no way of winning that war. you got in one hand a huge army armed and supply by socialist nations with conviction of dying for the motherland and in the other, you got an army who fights for money and for grety political ambitions. who do you think was gonna win?? the comunist vietnamese of course.
@loslorie What about The Korean war? Korea was pretty much the same as Vietnam except the fact that in Korea we invaded the North. Have you ever read the art of war?
@loslorie Wow thanks for asking. The Art of War says that when you invade a country, you're supposed to conquer it intact. It clearly states that you shouldn't carry out long campaigns i.e. perpetual war. Battles should be won quickly and with little effort and with few casualties on your own side. Ironically, the vietnamese communist actually had a general, Von Giap, who read and applied the art of war. You could probably find the art of war in yaour public library
@Rockguitarhero462 The Art of War ...I believe Gen. Bradley recommended it to his officers in some speech of his.But there is something even more useful and thought-provoking: Commonsense."Don't shoot yourself in the foot.Again.Again.And Again."Has the US heard about this ?
Americans are safe in their little continent across the oceans.It's the Asians who pay the price for their lunacy.The US will lost the Afghan war-I assure you of that,unless they change their batshit insane policy there.
@redtihor1 i heard that a number of officers in the U.S. military, especially west point graduates, are quite familiar with The Art of War. The U.S. doesn't use Sun Tzu war tatics much when up against a guerilla force which is really stupid. U.S. soldiers are tend to be culturally insensitive when occupying foreign countries which is a huge mistake. If the U.S. wins in Afghanistan, they will do so barely considering that Sun Tzu advises against lengthy wars.
@Rockguitarhero462 Precisely,That's why the British have been so successful in most of their wars,It's strange that a nation that once fought the samar battle and Ilsan offensive can mess things so badly these days.And America is supposed to be the defender of Democracy and Human rights.It shouldn't be propping up dictatorships and religious regimes,should it?
@redtihor1 America doesn't really care about democracy or human rights; what America wants is to install leaders who will play ball. In other words, set up a minor puppet regime all over the world. The American military tends to be a bunch of cocky bastards who think they can win a war with superior firepower. Wars are tricky these days, not like in olden times when you could go kill people indiscriminately. Ethics, Morals, the media, and growing pacifist sentiment have kinda fucked things up.
@redtihor1 i heard that a number of officers in the U.S. military, especially west point graduates, are quite familiar with The Art of War. The U.S. doesn't use Sun Tzu war tatics much when up against a guerilla force which is really stupid. U.S. soldiers tend to be culturally insensitive when occupying foreign countries which is a huge mistake. If the U.S. wins in Afghanistan, they will do so barely considering that Sun Tzu advises against lengthy wars.
Was Khe Sanh worth it? Looking at the grand scheme of things, I'd say yes. Because, think about it, the Tet Offensive would've been A LOT worse had Khe Sanh fell into North Vietnamese hands. MUCH worse, on so many levels.
By god if only you people would stop listening to absolute rubbish and see,know and feel what it was like. My son's Father was 2 when the Vietnam War ended (he was in the south) and i don't ask him i just look at footage...yeh i have asked but it just goes over his head. However wrong the war was (and it was) we would not have the beautiful son we have today....
Hochiminh was a nationalist, but the US mistaken him for being a communist because he spent time in Russia and China. But Ho did spent that equal amount of time in France and England. Ho was from South VN by the way. He came to the US first for help to free VN from the French but was denied so he turned to the Soviet for help.
The US and South VN should have taken Hanoi. I shouldn't blame you because it wasn't your war and your country. But we lost because South VN politicians were corrupted and didn't bother to attack Hanoi. They had no will and purpose to fight.
There was nothing to take at KheSanh, no one lived there. It was the VC trick to pull all US guns in there and keep them at Khe Sanh as long as possible so they can penetrate South VN and took it. Need to learn to play chess before you become officer.
@Oceancolour5 play chess my ass. u viet monkey can't think for shit. u need help from chinese and russian to keep you alive. the yanks should just bomb the viets back to stone age.
@rainyday2005! You ate too much Chinese babies and you talked nonsense with your shit head. The Chinese and Russians put themselves in VN war because they wanted to spread the poisonous communism in Asia. Most people from VN would rather have a democratic rich country like South Korea than be be like staving North Korea communist for 35 years after the war.
@Oceancolour5 u r a retard who got poisoned by agent orange. last time i checked viet monkey land is communist and no one is starving there. if u want to make lies, at least do some homework. monkey
@Oceancolour5 China and Russian supports Vietnam to spread communism, you are right there. But Vietnamese did not fight for spreading Communism, but to regain its motherland. The French were sucking the life blood out off Vietnam. And after the French got their ass kicked by the North VN, the South VN government continued to miss-treat its people, using the same master-slave ideology that was once used by the French.
@IgnoredComment! The only slaves are now Vietnamese workers make $100/month. Communist is modern slavery in different form. I am from the South VN and before 1975 a teacher could afford to buy a nice house to live, now they can't hardly feed themselves. NorthVN communists were uneducated peasants and that how communists could brainwash them easily, the wanted to free SouthVN from slavery and hunger but VN before 1975 was like North and South Korea, rich and free vs hungry and poor.
This video is nothing but propoganda, the vietnamese are not stupid and unable to do things. Cost them 50 cents a life and millions and millions of U.S dollars for us.
Whether its Vietnam, Afghanistan or Wherever... if you plan on invading a foreign Nation you better be ready to kill EVERYONE. If you cannot commit to that you cannot win.
okay but now vietnam is under communist rule meaning to say... someone loose! about afghanistan, i dont really care about that either, people are killing themselves there! anyway what the heck we got problems to resolve in our own country so what do i care about other country anyway?
This was a political war. Senators thought they could be generals and put human life over expensive aircraft. Trying to make the military like a company. Profit over life. Wish some of those senators would be in jail or sent to the front lines.
@ijij123 You are must be . . .stupid or you are Xinhua to distort . . .VC and US Army same side . . . .Then Khe Sanh was Fake Battle ! Dmtau was a former fighter Pilot in that war from South VN Airforce.. may ask you :
-Vietnam is my country .. you know better than me ? Distort is a big crime just Treason . Death will be surely !
@dmtau i see im talking about Warfare brother! and please dont make any comment if you can't really speak better english idiot! well... America still lost the Vietnam War, so who the hell cares about vietnam now? Oh by the way buddy its your country so say anything u wanna say i dont give a crap! got that?
@ijij123 man america lost the war not in the battlefields of vietnam they were winning after the tet offensive and the heavy bombardment of hanoi u.s. withdrewed because people in america were turning againts the war u.s. did not lose the war militarily they just quit because of protests speaking of tau just dont mind him he is just a tupoy i will give you a proof of what i said about vietnam with u.s.
The US forces only left Vietnam after the war was officially over on the singing of the “Paris Peace Accord” on 27 January 1973, by the North Vietnamese Foreign Minister Lê Ðức Thọ and U.S. Secretary of State Henry Kissinger, who both were awarded the Nobel Peace Prize for thier efforts. However the North started hostilities again in 1974 and this time the USA did not come and help South Vietnam and by 1975 the south had lost their struggle with the north.
@1bjk374 but i just could not understand why most people view vietnam as an american defeat when in fact it wasnt. the tet offensive showed signs that the americans will win vietnam after tet offensive the nva and vc were weakening and instead of americans finishing the job after tet the americans began to withdrew their troops and turning the fight to the ARVN forces in a program called vietnamization
@dimitboris jajjaj in fact was not an american defeat jajajajaj how could still today still be americans who may try to say that the americans won anything in vietnam?? its so funny. americans loose billion sand billions, they lost half million soldiers, cause the wounded who were still alive are a bunch of crazy homeles living in the streets fo the united states,. the communist vietnamese re-united their homeland and thats call a total victory.
@loslorie ur just a fucking idiot in vietnam u.s. only lost 58000 americans and u.s. won the tet offensive they just withdrew because nixon ordered them to withdraw in 1973 and u.s. withdraw its forces little by little in 1969 by a program called vietnamization if u.s. invaded vietnam it will end the vietnamn war was not a war to be won just take khe sanh as an example. did u.s. lose that battle? no your just too stupid to understand
@dimitboris what is your point? that the US didnt won the war because they didnt want to? i dont understand your point brother. vietnamisation, the presindent pulling out,congress not supporting the war, all of them maneuvers to pull out because they knew they were lost. they left with the tail between their legs like the flithy dogs they are. of course living in shame after killing thousends of innocent civilians apparently doesnt bother asholes like you.
@loslorie yes u.s. did not wijn that war but they dont lose it also do you think that when an army withdraws it really lose the war there are many ways of withdrawing an army think again use your IQ you brainless glupyi
@loslorie just watch easter offensive 1972 u.s. won that offensive think again if an army withdraws does it mean it lose people in ameria are just hippies i think you just refuse to believe doesnt really veil your stupidity
"What we still don't understand is why you Americans stopped the bombing of Hanoi. You had us on the ropes. If you had pressed us a little harder, just for another day or two, we were ready to surrender! It was the same at the battles of TET. You defeated us! We knew it, and we thought you knew it.
@dimitboris It doesn't matter if you search it on Google. Anybody can bullshit a quote and put it on a website. That's why you have to have legitimate sources.
There's also sites that prove that the quote is false. Check out the article on Snopes.
Do you really want to debate this kid, because I'd love to tear apart the other shitty arguments you've been spouting up here.
@skankuser oh yeah just watch tet offensive did the nva and vc captured saigon? in that time is that what you call u.s. defeated militarily? yes u.s. was defeated politically if an army withdraws it has many reasons kuser or whoerver you are. stupid man in 1975 saigon are american forces there? no yes i found out that article is false but think again u.s. did not lose vietnam militarily
@dimitboris ...and I never said they lost militarily, but the quote you attributed to Giap was completely false.
The problem was that the United States was that they could never win the war militarily, because the doctrine of "search and destroy" did not match well with an enemy that did not care about military losses.
There's no point in arguing any of this with you, because you haven't looked up or researched any of this. You're only regurgitating what other people have told you.
@skankuser i searched it man. you are right that qoute is false and im sorry if i said something bad to you. also about that war in vietnam as i have read u.s. was there not a full scale warfare but to defend the south itself by 1973 of nixons propaganda america go home that was the main reason why american troops are withdrawn in vietnam you are right about giaps qoute man it is all false
@dimitboris It wasn't propaganda, but Kissinger and Nixon were definitely playing a double game. If you want to know a little more about the whole "peace with honor" thing and what a crock of shit it was, you should definitely check out "No Peace, No Honor: Nixon, Kissinger, and Betrayal in Vietnam" by Larry Berman. They knew damn well the North Vietnamese would launch an attack as soon as we left. We sold out the South Vietnamese. Kissinger to this day will still not debate Berman about it.
@skankuser well all i wanna know man is why nixon decided to let americans withdrawand why they did not invade hanoi if the u.s. did hanoi is finished
@loslorie But we were elated to notice your media was definitely helping us. They were causing more disruption in America than we could in the battlefields. We were ready to surrender. You had won!
those are the words of general giap if you dont believe me jumbo wacko search in google general giap admits near defeat
@dimitboris and the CIA i guess didnt see that or didnt find out. for god sake, stop justifying the defeat and your shame, learn how to live in shame, stop being a bad looser.
@loslorie well i am just trying to explain to you what happened. because you keep telling wrong ones. you are the bad loser not me because you cant understand what really happened on that war vy sovsem fignya
"What we still don't understand is why you Americans stopped the bombing of Hanoi. You had us on the ropes. If you had pressed us a little harder, just for another day or two, we were ready to surrender! It was the same at the battles of TET. You defeated us! We knew it, and we thought you knew it.
@ijij123 But we were elated to notice your media was definitely helping us. They were causing more disruption in America than we could in the battlefields. We were ready to surrender. You had won!"
@ijij123 man do not believe what the media just said vietnam was the first ever televised war and you know the media sometimes made inaccurate news tet offensive was a BIG american victory but the media turned it into a defeat even the russian media turned battle of hill 3234 instead of victory into a defeat man the difference between u.s. vietnam war and soviet war in afghanistan is that the americans were winning in vietnam after the tet offensive because the nva and the vc were weakening
@ijij123 but at least vc never defeated u.s.a. just dont believe tau he is just a crazy old man i talked to him even general giap admits that u.s. defeated north vietnam at tet and north vietnam was nearly defeated but u.s. just pulled out after tet and launched a program vietnamization thatr programs main objective is to turn over the fih to the south vietnamese arvn instead of american soldiers comrade
@MrSniperHunt13 No US never wanted or able to conquer Vietnam . . .The whole world with Mongols did ! How US can do or even they never ever want to do if they have real Liberty . . .US from 1776 under rule of Mongols.. .US have no Military .. .if they have.. .WWII . .Mongols did not kill more than 6 millions US ciitzen . . .Are you American?
@dimitboris Mr. "Retarded" . . Now please tell me ! "US have a military". . .What a hell why WWII was not step in US land. . .Mr."Shit" tell me why more than 6 millions good US were killed by Nazis Gas Burned. . .You are SOB. . .Don't tell me right,prove too . . . .you are death meat by your distort !
@dmtau u.s. rules by mongol mongols mongols BLAH BLAH BLAH you know something tau u.s. defeated the nazis and the japanese and saved your stupid Govno pizda country from japanese you you are the SOB
@dmtau tau just shut the yebat up ok you old govno i shouldnt talk to a crazy old money like you go to the mental first before you talk to me u.s. ruled by mongols BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH :D
@MrSniperHunt13 Who do all distort ? Mongols Media name Xinhua . . with Hollywood made those Video . . . . .Now all of them already got pay for what they did . . . How . .all death .. likes US Military too .
@dmtau blah blah blah tau mongols mongols you tupoy or idiot blah blah you are just a crazy old freak u.s. did not lose vietnam they were winning you stupid old gromila!!!!!!!!!! but they withdrewed after tet but at least u.s.a. was winning YOU STUPID OLD FROG COKAK BLAH BLAH BLAH MONGOLS BLAH BLAH BLAH
@dmtau BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH stop saying u.s. ruled by mongols go to the mental institution before you talk or reply me you crazy old monkey just SHUT THE YEBAT up OK
@dmtau well you want a proof go ask general vo nguyen giap you old foolish stupid man i even interviewed him and he said u.s. could have won if they did not withdrew that is what he said to me tau i a an article writer from Russia i even got to his home even though it is far he said well he was ready to abandon the campaign if u.s. did not withdrew after tet tet was the biggest damage he has ever taken in his life as he told me so you stop croaking old govno frog
@dimitboris Russia is worst than "Shits). .So they have nothing in VN.Russia under rule of Mongols more than few 1000 of yrs!Even the Idiot movies star likes Mel Gibson said to his stupis Russian Girl :
-Fuck Russia . .Fuck you too. . . .
Why this guy could used those bad works to one Nation ?The Russia or Russian people are cowards . . .99% of Russian are living in US by Welfare. . .
@dmtau blah blah blah blah ruled by mongols better take your retard medication we Russians have een ruled by mongols but st alexander nevsky refused to accept the golden horde stupid
@dmtau south vietnam is a govno pizda country ruled by mongols the world japan even defeated the mongols ruled by mongols blah blah blah blah blah tau better have a brain surgery:D you tupoy govno!!!!!
We didn't "win" at Khe Sanh, we "survived". A few months after we "won" this battle we pulled out of the area, leaving it to NVA if they even wanted it. Khe Sanh was a battle of stubborn will. How much did the USA spend to fight this battle? God only knows. Giap deployed his artillery brilliantly and we used brute air power to keep NVA at bay. What a waste of life and money so the generals can "play" at war...
randy95023 1 week ago
All this US hate is nothing but envy. All of Europe is indebted to the US for
the Marshall plan. Britain was extraordinarily brave against the Germans but
the US was supplying them with tools to keep going, All of this "imperialist"
talk is nothing but BS. At the end of WW2, the US had the wherewithal to takeover
any country including the Soviet Union but we did not want to do so. We had the
A Bomb and the Soviets hadn't stolen the technology until later. The US will fight for its interests
barcagirl2001 2 weeks ago
propaganda dudes are all like yeah while vietnam was a bad bad war with bad people on both sides. may mai lai never be forgotten
antutu2011 4 months ago
15000 dead on one side, 200 on second..thats sick. Communists deserved to kill em all for sure.
Dalamon1 4 months ago
Thats wy the Americans are the most hated people in the world.
Yes u cam make the peoples hate u all.
The only thing good in america is the money.This thing everybody like.
Pay the Chineses.hahahaha
Another imperor is getting down hahahaha
CesarioAS 5 months ago
US military is enemy of Vietnam
chungghostle 6 months ago
Ericzx3 6 months ago
@Ericzx3 funny thing about American nationalists is that it reminds me of North Korean Nationalists. Yes The US is a much better country.But some people are just fucking blind when it comes to the truth. I like my own country, but i dont think its better then all other countrys, Just because we score high on the list of best country to live in by the UN. Its ok to be proud of who and what you are but that dont make you superior to other nations. Im from Norway by the way.
Svinabogen 5 months ago
@Svinabogen By the U.S. being the wealthiest, strongest and most influential nation, it is considered the police of the world and its actions or inaction affects other nations. One notable area is regarding the issue of debt and poverty. Being a major part of the every country and helping to formulate the United Nations over 50 years ago, the US’ actions can be felt around the world.Then the rest of the world would start to accept us again. It is just a matter of trust and giving.
Ericzx3 5 months ago
@Ericzx3 Dude today america is not considered as world strongest country anymore. China and russia have taken over....Good days are gona for US
Dalamon1 4 months ago
@Dalamon1 you can also say we are the strongest because of our strong military and war technology. ALSO when other country has crisis and natural diaster the US is the one any country comes to first..
that's not to say the US is perfect but compared to other countries it's much stronger
china has human rights issues (less freedoms, a shortage of women due to years of female infanticide, along with other pitfalls)
Russia poorly developed economy and has a very strict government
Ericzx3 4 months ago
@Ericzx3
Military of russia is similiar to usa. Human rights in china are probably wors in some ways but china in general is more flexible. Did u knew that in china most of ppl dont pay taxes? they are not recieving any money when they are old but it comes hand in hand. In china aswell when is too hot goverment orders to change day shifts and night ones so ppl work during nightime. China is allready stronger then Usa in a matter of economics.
Dalamon1 4 months ago
@Dalamon1 sorry Dalamon i didn't see this reply ......but here I go.Well, now our economy is 38% of the world's total. Our economy has grown not only in real dollars, but as a proportion of the world's total, despite the 10s of millions of illegals crossing are border,despite our giving 100s of billions of dollars in aide around the world, including to China. China helps no one, but is headset on becoming dominant in the world by trying to controll space.
Ericzx3 4 months ago
@Ericzx3
:D I would love to know where exactly are you spending those "100s of biliions of dollars in aid" and especially for china :DD. Really man, you are day dreaming. Usa is not involved anywhere, where they wont profit....
Dalamon1 4 months ago
@Dalamon1 just look it up!! there's the net...:)
Ericzx3 4 months ago
@Ericzx3
And russias economy is extremly powerfull. You have to understeand that maybe you dont feel that way as an american, making joked of russians. But ive been in Moscow and Ny aswell and i can tell that both nations have many similiarities. Russians are making jokes of america beeign a poor country aswell. Just to tell you, a cup of tea in Moscow cost me 12 euro...whats like 16dollars. Moscow is the most expensive city on earth.There are bentleys,lamborginis,jaguars and others everywhere.
Dalamon1 4 months ago
@Dalamon1 There is no doubt that America uses economic institutions, i.e. corporations, to infiltrate other countries' sovereignty, but Russia does exactly the same. Russia is no different than the US in that they have imperialist intentions and simply cannot keep their guns in their pants. Comment was regarded to the goverment not it's people!!!
Ericzx3 4 months ago
NOBODY LIKES AMERICAN SOLDIERS REMEMBER THAT !!! and if u ask yourself why? then try to think the last time that soldiers where deployed somewhere for a good cause... NONE... only if there's oil... and nevertheless you people support them, for what? i have nothing against americans in general, but i'dd really like to put a bullet in your heads to everyone who is calling those soldiers heroes...
konsteve 6 months ago
@konsteve meet me somewhere, I'd like to see if you COULD put a bullet in my head, lol. You're a fucking tough guy talking anonymous shit on the internet. The United States is still the best country in the world. It stil has the largest economy in the world. We still have the strongest military...FULL OF HEROES.
human151 5 months ago
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@human151 of course u have, but u still didn't answered my question, what's so heroic in invading a country?
on the other hand i agree with you, america has the strongest military, but only because u guys are always at war, whose reason is always oil. Can't u see that ?... And obsiously you have never lived in an other country saying tha america is the best country...
konsteve 5 months ago
I dont get it, what's so heroic in invading a country trying to capture it and die ?
konsteve 6 months ago 5
Bloody hell, I have to put my hat to my heart to these vietnamise vets (NV and SV) they thought hell fighting a war only higher command wanted to fight.
digimanga 7 months ago
amefefe925 you suck and your so such a stupid idiot go eat poop on the road!
ashjohnson5 7 months ago
American killers so called soldiers,
go away and find another war for you.
This film is propaganda nothing more,
go kill women and children
MrTheEvilgerman 8 months ago
this is nothing but a massacre.. fuckyou america !!
amfefe925 8 months ago
US fire power made all the difference....that is why there was no 2nd Dien-Bien-Phu....
FrenchExpat1 8 months ago
real soldiers on all side will go to heaven.
sphinx129 9 months ago
Thank you for your reply. I do Nixon said he would end the war but it went on until 1972. I thank your Dad for his service in 3 Wars. Hard to believe 3 Wars is unreal. I will watch Fog of War and see what I get from it. I just get very angry when I see on a shirt I have just purchased "Made in Vietnam" Bothers me.
bobtis 11 months ago
GOD BLESS AMERICA.I HAVE TAKEN THE OATH OF ALLIGANCE.mehrdadtedayrom
mehrdadtedayrom 11 months ago
Mr. Tessler I will waqtch "Fog of War" again and will study it more closley. No need to be insulting. You say you are 58 yo. I am 2 years older than you so this was something I followed as a Teen From 1965 to 1969 because of a thing we had then called "The Draft". No not the lottery the Draft. I may have been young but knew my ass would be sent there. My father a WW2 Purple Heart recipent did not like the way Johnson ran the war and how he left office with the war just hanging and no bombing.
bobtis 11 months ago
@bobtis -- then, believing as you do (effed up, imo), your beef is still with NIXON; he had bombs & nukes at his disposal too, ya know.
fyi, my father was combat vet of 3 wars in asia: japan, korea & vietnam; 1/3 of his squadron (w/similiar service) took early retirement when ordered to vietnam, not cuz they were cowards (combat vets all), but cuz we couldn't bomb JAPAN to knees when militarily finished (took 2 nukes) & korea ended in draw; they saw writing on wall & vietnam wasn't worth it.
tessler6868 11 months ago
rofl 15k men? where the bodies of all these nva/vietcong? rofl dude it was all a feint!
sprucepantherkmt 11 months ago
mas360. You are somewhat correct and also the unwillingness to use Atomic weapons. Kill the head.
bobtis 11 months ago
Thank you Vietnam Vets. The war Johnson would not let you win. He quit on you.
bobtis 11 months ago
@bobtis -- blow it out your hairy ear, bobbie. NIXON had vietnam war longer than johnson... nukes, you say? yep, maybe. but why NUKE a country of NO strategic value cuz we got the 'domino theory' thing WRONG. read back a couple of pages in comments... watch all of 'fog of way'... try not to post more tired, discredited bs about vietmam war.
thanks
tessler6868 11 months ago
golly, ger-- you went back month to dredge "jwcondreyjr" as EXCUSE to recite PEACETIME service in pacific. what a piece of shit you are, 'vet' or no; you disrespect real deal COMBAT veterans whose toilet paper you aren't fit to off-load.THIS offends me most, tho:
"Enter Vietnam and MacNamera. McNamera was fighting the korean war."
my dad & macnamara both served in lemay's WW2 command on GUAM; during KOREA, mac was AUTO EXECUTIVE. watch 'fog o war' re: mac's mindset. idiot.
tessler6868 11 months ago
buh bye, gerry. informed discussion (or relevant, anyway) of VIETNAM war may now resume...
tessler6868 11 months ago
I enjoy reading some of the comments that are being posted however, some of the comments are made in response to other posts. Then others try to comment on the posts and they are out of context. The posts can become unorganized and irrealevent but thanks for the comments.
jwcondreyjr 11 months ago
Yes, every war US use a lot of money to save your US ass. Poor country have to pay high dead for your big money on airforce and bombing. Luckily, after every single win of US country again poor country, china and Russia take advance time and resource to move on.
And you know what.... let US win another some war, and RUSSIA and CHINA will bomb all of US city without afraid, because US ALREADY BROKE!
Yes, pls bomb more country on more stupid war, god bless US.
thanhminh4482 1 year ago
The US military can easily win any conventional war where the enemy is clearly defined and in BDUs thanks to our supreme firepower and technological gadgets.
In a long drawn out insurgency war, such as Vietnam then and Iraq/Afghan now, the US military will lose due to:
a) The unwillingness to take casualties on our side
b) The utterly high cost to keep US war machines well oiled
c) A high dollar war cannot be carried on for decades
d) America is at the mall while US Marines are at war
mas360 1 year ago 22
Thank you for understanding our predicament. If the vietcong or the middle eastern insurgents wore uniforms, it would be the Gulf War all over again. A war won so quickly it was not even considered by the public a war but an operation. A war in which we lost NOT A SINGLE TANK. A war in which we lost 113 men to enemy fire and inflicted 30,000 fatalities, thats not counting the TENS OF THOUSANDS who surrendered to US forces
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jwcondreyjr 1 year ago
@jwcondreyjr
That is exactly what we are going to say about the Iraqis when we and whatever is left of our "coalition" pull out of Iraq within the next year or two.
Vietnamization is a face saving maneuver. We never replaced the loss of weapons and supplies to SVN on the 1 for 1 basis, which was the term we signed on the Paris accord in 1972 for us to completely pull out of Vietnam in March 1973.
mas360 1 year ago
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jwcondreyjr 1 year ago
well we have had band of brothers and the picific ,id like to see some heroes from the vietnam war , i find it educating , but only from one side , i also like to read what it was like for the supposed enemy ...
heresjohny32 1 year ago
History is history,
War is just the fucking games of some guys who want to gain power.
People are just billion of sheeps.
Fuck it, what we really want is safety and food.
Whoever try to fuck war up need to burn in hell. Fuck them all.
JasonPhan2010 1 year ago
Khe Sanh was well planned by the NVA. You can't win a war you're not right in. The US Government used "linebaker II" to bring the NVA back to the bargaining table. The US fought the NVA, VC, Soviets, and Chinese. No way to win a war like that.
IRIQUOIS227 1 year ago
So if u went to khe sahn today would it be like that coz they abandoned it?
WELSHYM249 1 year ago
Thank you for your service and sacrifices, Vietnam veterans. You will always be honoured and never be forgotten.
mrjew 1 year ago 12
vietnam was fucking stupid
CWGrudzinski 1 year ago
@CWGrudzinski I mean like why, you know, do you think it was 'fucking stupid'?
gerry301 1 year ago
@gerry301 McArtur was fired for incompetance, and disloyalty to his commander. After general Walker died in a jeep accident, Mathew Ridgeway was put in command and McArtur placed outside the chain of command. Although McArthur still showed up for photo ops after a victory, it was Ridgeways show. Ridgeway stopped the retreat and started pushing back. He was excellant (ref: Chip Yong Ni) He fired a number of commanders who had retreat plans but no offensive plans.
gerry301 1 year ago
@gerry30: "I mean like why, you know, do you think [vietnam war] was 'fucking stupid'?"
cuz like, vietnam had been fighting CHINA for 1000 years, so were, like, NEVER gonna seek chinese military aide/support (like north korea) and just, like, wanted own country back fr french colonialists & US cold arriors worshipping 'domino theory' they dreamt up...
o yeah. and needless dead soldiers & civilians. lots of them. millions... that's why vietnam war was "fucking stupid."
you're welcome, gerry.
tessler6868 1 year ago
@tessler6868 LOL, but China did support North Vietnam during the war, to include almost 1,000 advisors being killed. When the French left Vietnam the country was divided by the UN and over 1 million fled the north to get away from communism. The Berlin wall had gone up just a few years earlier, South Korea was invaded by the communist north, Hungary was crushed by the Soviets, communist insurgency in Greece was thwarted. Domino theory dreamt up?
gerry301 1 year ago
@gerry30 -- dude, you conflate vietnam & korea. TOTALLY different situations & histories. ho chi minh was american-educated, admired jefferson & BEGGED allies not to allow french back after ww2. french came back, vietnamese expelled them & UN got involved cuz WEST was pissed off & spooked ala newly-hatched domino theory (KOREA BORDERED china & historically had good relations w/same). ho chi minh was nationalist, not communist, but US blundered us into assassinations, coups & intervention.
tessler6868 1 year ago
@tessler6868 Didn't know Ho was educated in the US. I always thought it was in Vietnam and France. He did visit the US for a while but then moved on. Letting the French back in was more a British decision than that of the US, as responsibility for South East Asia was given to the British after WWII as determined at Yalta. The US would be responsible for the Phillipines on up in East Asia. The Accords for dividing north from the south were signed by both the French and the Viet Mihn in 1954.
gerry301 1 year ago
@gerry301 -- dude, you keep blathering banalities & irrelevancies. AGAIN, korea & vietnam were different situations w/different HISTORIES but US erroneously lumped together as possible communist 'satellites' of china: aka domino theory. AGAIN, this lack of differentiation was MISTAKE that led to our ill-fated intervention in NATIONALIST movement against colonial french (originally)...
yalta & who signed 54 accords after ho chi expelled colonial-french after WEST let them return ... irrelevant.
tessler6868 1 year ago
@tessler6868 "Blathering banalities & irrelivencies"? "Satellites of China"? "w/different HISTORIES"? The "domino theory" had nothing to do with Korea. The domino theory was that if Vietnam went communist, Laos, Thailand, and Cambodia would soon follow. The "French" were "gone" when the US sent advisors to help against the Viet Cong insurgency. Your attempt to side step history and the importance of the meeting at Yalta is an attempt to rewrite history to your satisfaction.
gerry301 11 months ago
@gerry301 -- KOREA? where you served peacetime & married, etc? this is VIETNAM video. a war you don't know jack about but what you WANT to believe. you can find nutso authors on any subject, but won't find vietnam COMBAT vet who believes vietnam was winnable, save nuking.
" 'French' were 'gone' when US sent advisors to help against Viet Cong insurgency" -- cuz US erroneously applied DOMINO theory to a NATIONALIST conflict
you are NOT a combat vet, just blathering word warrior. piss off
tessler6868 11 months ago
@tessler6868 LOL, when you can't win an argument, denegrate the messanger. "Piss off"? OK by me, but next time do your homework.
gerry301 11 months ago
@tessler6868 China and Korea share the same border but historically did 'not' have good relations. China had several times in history invaded Korea. This has much to with with why Kim Il Jong went to Stalin for support of his invasion than to Mao who was interested at the time. Kim refused Maos offer of help. It was only later when things became dire that Kim allowed the Chinese into the war. As I stated above, there was concern over the spread of communism at the time.
gerry301 1 year ago
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jwcondreyjr 1 year ago
@jwcondreyjr Am familiar with the Korean war. McArthur was fired because he was out of touch with reality and believe only himself. Truman on meeting with McArthur asked him about "what if the Chinese intervien" McArthur thought Truman a dunce and said he had everything in hand. Even when many of the reports showed otherwise. McArthur also went over Trumans head and went to Taiwan to talk about Chang Ki cheks help in the war. When the Chinese did enter McArthur wanted to use nukes.
gerry301 1 year ago
@jwcondreyjr The chinese were stopped cold by Ridgeway and lost many many troops during the next two years to Ridgeways tactics. Enter Vietnam and MacNamera. McNamera was fighting the korean war. Hold the line, find them, fix them, and use US weapons to kill them. Body count would be the the factor to wear the NVA out. Unfortunately this wasn't Korea and the NVA strategy was to just stay in the fight. Thus every battle a victory. The NVA could choose the time and place to fight.
gerry301 1 year ago
@jwcondreyjr Let me see? I spent two years in Korea, one on the DMZ, and another at a mountain site. Married a Korean girl while I was there. Have read most every book written about the Korean conflict, to include the recent "Coldest Winter" wriiten by David Halberstam. It is considered the best up to date history of the Korean war as it includes cables sent by Russian diplomates at the time as well as other achival material now available since the breakup of the Soviet union. And you?
gerry301 11 months ago
@jwcondreyjr As for Vietnam, I spent 7 years in Asia including one in Vietnam. Have read close to 100 books on the war to include Bernard Falls " Street without Joy". On the other hand you are right in claiming the war was lost due to mismanagement at the highest levels of government. By the way, MacArthur was fired for incompetance, first claiming the North Koreans would run at the sight of US troops, then not regarding intelligence that was increasingly showing Chinese in Korea.
gerry301 11 months ago
Very tenacious and desperate fighting for the marines back then. Talk about determination! Not far from there I heard that their was a Special Forces camp that was also going under a tough siege, and asked the Marines for help. It was a tough decision for the Marines because they were going through their own hell. The North Vietnamese Army was a force to be reckoned with.
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jwcondreyjr 1 year ago
@jwcondreyjr The VC and the North forces never numbered more than 800000 anytime.At the height of the war,the US had 500000,not including the south forces.Vietnam was a full-blown war in all respects. Guerrilla warfare isn't an excuse:-Other countries have dealt with it.
Frankly speaking the American ground forces are vastly over-rated:-Low discipline,over-dependence on air cover,An outdated war philosophy,human rights-No wonder the Chinese and the terrorists are so confident...
redtihor1 1 year ago
@redtihor1 Don't bet on it. Its what an army can bring to the fight more than bravery that exists on all sides in a war. The war 'strategy' was faulty from the political top during Vietnam. A strategy of attrition (body counts) vs 'staying in the fight as long as it takes' cannot win, if the enemy can choose the time and place of battle. The US after Vietnam, Iraq, Afganistan, is perhaps the best in the world at defeating any terrorists or insugents. Tell me who is doing better?
gerry301 1 year ago
@gerry301 Regarding insurgency,the best are the Israelis,followed by the Thais-If one forgets about the HR issues and near-genocide taking place there...Americans have a good record-when it comes to their own troops.Don't forget about the Afghans,Pakistanis and Iraqis dying each day.The current strategy of internal siege being followed by US generals is based on that premise only...Great way of winning hearts and minds indeed !!
redtihor1 1 year ago
@gerry301 In Vietnam,the funny thing was that both the French and the Americans seemed to be trying their best to lose...I never questioned the bravery of the poor chaps on the ground;It was just that the planning,the execution,the PR-the entire war effort itself was a textbook case of "How not to win a war".
Add the fact that the army fought the entire war as if they expected the Vietminh to charge in on Panzers and T-72s;That's not the way to face an enemy at all...
redtihor1 1 year ago
oh yes, america loves to to bomb 3rd world countries and support dictators if its opportune. always in the name of freedom and peace. i make a low bow to the ppl of north vietnam for not surrendering in front of a highly superior force of invaders
djscheisse 1 year ago
US army had been fuked in Vietnam and then in Iraq ,,,,,soon in Afghanistan and so on....
world504 1 year ago
@world504 what is fuked? nice spelling FAG
xtradloffx 1 year ago
@world504 Ur retarded, we have not been fucked in any of those wars asshole, did you watch the fucking video
marvelousfuntimes 1 year ago
air power is america's trade mark in a war.
grvc44 1 year ago
@grvc44 And the primary reason for it's defeat in most...
redtihor1 1 year ago
war are crazy , civilian are the casualties.. , vietnamese killing each other.foreigner intervention made it worst.. why they prolong the agony.. if they can easily nuke the enemy place..first evacuate all civilian, put them on one safe place, then nuke every enemy field.. gas them.. its a seems crazy idea.. that are the reality of war..needs crazy idea to end war quickly , .... .. and thank God my crazy idea never been done..or else.. vietnam will not be as productive like today..
ericksonhermo 1 year ago
easy guys.. im just joking with a nuclear bomb idea.. im a pro life.. and to all who replied on my comment.. you have your point.
ericksonhermo 1 year ago
@ericksonhermo I really hope that you were joking with the N-bomb idea;But what did you mean by pro-life?War involves death and suffering-that's why people are both repulsed and attracted by it...
Your initial idea will never work-Just consider the moral implications...The US interferes where it has no business and bombs the fuck out of it's enemies ?
Iran isn't the only nation calling them the Great Satan and there's a reason why it does...
redtihor1 1 year ago
@redtihor1 WE ARE IN THE WORLD WHERE THE POWERFUL NATIONS CONTROLS THE WEAK NATION.. ITS A MATTER OF CHOOSING SIDES.. NATION THAT WANT TO BE LEFT ALONE AND RISE AGAINST THE POWERFUL .. WILL BE ASSUME AS TERRORIST NATION, WAR WILL BE PLOTTED ON THAT NATION, OIL EMBARGO ETC.. THATS MY OPINION..
ericksonhermo 11 months ago
@ericksonhermo You really are strange...I can't make out whether you're in earnest or simply joking. Nations that want to be left alone do have a name-"rogue states". These generally have totalitarism/ Theocracies and are hardly models for the rest of the world to emulate. As for Iraq and Afghanistan, both wars were long overdue.
redtihor1 11 months ago
kill them 6 nam at 2:40
PAOHMONGYANG 1 year ago
The U.S could have won the war if they had invaded the north as early as 1963, before the communist had a sizable amount of support from the south vietnamese and
America's youth counter-culture. According to Sun Tzu's art of war, you shoudn't launch lengthy campaigns and countrys should be conquered intact.
Rockguitarhero462 1 year ago
@Rockguitarhero462 learn why they didnt invade the north and you will understand that the USA had no way of winning that war. you got in one hand a huge army armed and supply by socialist nations with conviction of dying for the motherland and in the other, you got an army who fights for money and for grety political ambitions. who do you think was gonna win?? the comunist vietnamese of course.
loslorie 1 year ago
@loslorie What about The Korean war? Korea was pretty much the same as Vietnam except the fact that in Korea we invaded the North. Have you ever read the art of war?
Rockguitarhero462 1 year ago
@Rockguitarhero462 no i have not, but can you tell me what did the book teach you?
loslorie 1 year ago
@loslorie Wow thanks for asking. The Art of War says that when you invade a country, you're supposed to conquer it intact. It clearly states that you shouldn't carry out long campaigns i.e. perpetual war. Battles should be won quickly and with little effort and with few casualties on your own side. Ironically, the vietnamese communist actually had a general, Von Giap, who read and applied the art of war. You could probably find the art of war in yaour public library
Rockguitarhero462 1 year ago
@Rockguitarhero462 The Art of War ...I believe Gen. Bradley recommended it to his officers in some speech of his.But there is something even more useful and thought-provoking: Commonsense."Don't shoot yourself in the foot.Again.Again.And Again."Has the US heard about this ?
Americans are safe in their little continent across the oceans.It's the Asians who pay the price for their lunacy.The US will lost the Afghan war-I assure you of that,unless they change their batshit insane policy there.
redtihor1 1 year ago
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Rockguitarhero462 1 year ago
@redtihor1 i heard that a number of officers in the U.S. military, especially west point graduates, are quite familiar with The Art of War. The U.S. doesn't use Sun Tzu war tatics much when up against a guerilla force which is really stupid. U.S. soldiers are tend to be culturally insensitive when occupying foreign countries which is a huge mistake. If the U.S. wins in Afghanistan, they will do so barely considering that Sun Tzu advises against lengthy wars.
Rockguitarhero462 1 year ago
@Rockguitarhero462 Precisely,That's why the British have been so successful in most of their wars,It's strange that a nation that once fought the samar battle and Ilsan offensive can mess things so badly these days.And America is supposed to be the defender of Democracy and Human rights.It shouldn't be propping up dictatorships and religious regimes,should it?
redtihor1 1 year ago
@redtihor1 America doesn't really care about democracy or human rights; what America wants is to install leaders who will play ball. In other words, set up a minor puppet regime all over the world. The American military tends to be a bunch of cocky bastards who think they can win a war with superior firepower. Wars are tricky these days, not like in olden times when you could go kill people indiscriminately. Ethics, Morals, the media, and growing pacifist sentiment have kinda fucked things up.
Rockguitarhero462 1 year ago
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@redtihor1 i heard that a number of officers in the U.S. military, especially west point graduates, are quite familiar with The Art of War. The U.S. doesn't use Sun Tzu war tatics much when up against a guerilla force which is really stupid. U.S. soldiers tend to be culturally insensitive when occupying foreign countries which is a huge mistake. If the U.S. wins in Afghanistan, they will do so barely considering that Sun Tzu advises against lengthy wars.
Rockguitarhero462 1 year ago
fiercest battle???? America just bombed to fvck out of them while there was no real battle. battle of long tan was much more fierce
asdfghjklkjhgfdsa555 1 year ago
fiercest battle???? America just bombed to fvck out of them while there was no real battle.
asdfghjklkjhgfdsa555 1 year ago
American was nearly face a second Dien Bien Phu, thank to technology!
MYTHOMINHTRAN 1 year ago
Diem Bein Phu…. It did not happen again. phuck em
Ripley44mag 1 year ago 5
@Ripley44mag Khe Sanh was never meant to be another Dien Bien Phu. Westmoreland was setup by Giap into thinking this was what the NVA wanted.
skankuser 1 year ago
Was Khe Sanh worth it? Looking at the grand scheme of things, I'd say yes. Because, think about it, the Tet Offensive would've been A LOT worse had Khe Sanh fell into North Vietnamese hands. MUCH worse, on so many levels.
Point50Cal 1 year ago
By god if only you people would stop listening to absolute rubbish and see,know and feel what it was like. My son's Father was 2 when the Vietnam War ended (he was in the south) and i don't ask him i just look at footage...yeh i have asked but it just goes over his head. However wrong the war was (and it was) we would not have the beautiful son we have today....
MRJETKAT 1 year ago
Rainyday! Monkeys knocked out Chinese apes.
Oceancolour5 1 year ago
Hochiminh was a nationalist, but the US mistaken him for being a communist because he spent time in Russia and China. But Ho did spent that equal amount of time in France and England. Ho was from South VN by the way. He came to the US first for help to free VN from the French but was denied so he turned to the Soviet for help.
Oceancolour5 1 year ago
The US and South VN should have taken Hanoi. I shouldn't blame you because it wasn't your war and your country. But we lost because South VN politicians were corrupted and didn't bother to attack Hanoi. They had no will and purpose to fight.
Oceancolour5 1 year ago
There was nothing to take at KheSanh, no one lived there. It was the VC trick to pull all US guns in there and keep them at Khe Sanh as long as possible so they can penetrate South VN and took it. Need to learn to play chess before you become officer.
Oceancolour5 1 year ago
@Oceancolour5 play chess my ass. u viet monkey can't think for shit. u need help from chinese and russian to keep you alive. the yanks should just bomb the viets back to stone age.
rainyday2005 1 year ago
@rainyday2005! You ate too much Chinese babies and you talked nonsense with your shit head. The Chinese and Russians put themselves in VN war because they wanted to spread the poisonous communism in Asia. Most people from VN would rather have a democratic rich country like South Korea than be be like staving North Korea communist for 35 years after the war.
Oceancolour5 1 year ago
@Oceancolour5 u r a retard who got poisoned by agent orange. last time i checked viet monkey land is communist and no one is starving there. if u want to make lies, at least do some homework. monkey
rainyday2005 1 year ago
@Oceancolour5 China and Russian supports Vietnam to spread communism, you are right there. But Vietnamese did not fight for spreading Communism, but to regain its motherland. The French were sucking the life blood out off Vietnam. And after the French got their ass kicked by the North VN, the South VN government continued to miss-treat its people, using the same master-slave ideology that was once used by the French.
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IgnoredComment 1 year ago
@IgnoredComment! The only slaves are now Vietnamese workers make $100/month. Communist is modern slavery in different form. I am from the South VN and before 1975 a teacher could afford to buy a nice house to live, now they can't hardly feed themselves. NorthVN communists were uneducated peasants and that how communists could brainwash them easily, the wanted to free SouthVN from slavery and hunger but VN before 1975 was like North and South Korea, rich and free vs hungry and poor.
Oceancolour5 1 year ago
This video is nothing but propoganda, the vietnamese are not stupid and unable to do things. Cost them 50 cents a life and millions and millions of U.S dollars for us.
accident777 1 year ago
Whether its Vietnam, Afghanistan or Wherever... if you plan on invading a foreign Nation you better be ready to kill EVERYONE. If you cannot commit to that you cannot win.
jjmdirector 1 year ago
@jjmdirector I am inclined to agree with you, kill them all.
garretguidry1 1 year ago
well base to this video i think america is winning... 15000 dead in VC, in america 200? wow yeah i think their winning?
ijij123 1 year ago
@ijij123 15000 TOTAL casualties means KIA+injured. Total estimated KIA for the VC is 1600. The US suffered more than 700 KIA and 4000 casualties.
saigonpunkid 1 year ago
@saigonpunkid what well what the heck! dont really know what happen here, anyway vietnam is good now so i think its ok.
ijij123 1 year ago
okay but now vietnam is under communist rule meaning to say... someone loose! about afghanistan, i dont really care about that either, people are killing themselves there! anyway what the heck we got problems to resolve in our own country so what do i care about other country anyway?
ijij123 1 year ago
Heroes !
pim1234 1 year ago
This was a political war. Senators thought they could be generals and put human life over expensive aircraft. Trying to make the military like a company. Profit over life. Wish some of those senators would be in jail or sent to the front lines.
gungasc 1 year ago
u guys want to know why we lost the vietnam war?! one word, FUKING HIPPIES!
Watuable 1 year ago
@Watuable that's 2 words, you idiot
Ome99 1 year ago
@Watuable That's two words
Lachausis 1 year ago
we should have blasted all of nv like this!!!1 boo ya
skirbyr 1 year ago
But if this happens again? VC wont be able to hide in the dark, predator night vission etc are now in use.
ijij123 1 year ago
@ijij123 You are must be . . .stupid or you are Xinhua to distort . . .VC and US Army same side . . . .Then Khe Sanh was Fake Battle ! Dmtau was a former fighter Pilot in that war from South VN Airforce.. may ask you :
-Vietnam is my country .. you know better than me ? Distort is a big crime just Treason . Death will be surely !
dmtau 1 year ago
@dmtau i see im talking about Warfare brother! and please dont make any comment if you can't really speak better english idiot! well... America still lost the Vietnam War, so who the hell cares about vietnam now? Oh by the way buddy its your country so say anything u wanna say i dont give a crap! got that?
ijij123 1 year ago
@ijij123 dont believe this old tupoy or idiot comrade he is just crazy about u.s.
dimitboris 1 year ago
@ijij123 so your telling me that AMERICA didn't loose the war in Vietnam? please they pulled out meaning that America really lost!
ijij123 1 year ago
@ijij123 man america lost the war not in the battlefields of vietnam they were winning after the tet offensive and the heavy bombardment of hanoi u.s. withdrewed because people in america were turning againts the war u.s. did not lose the war militarily they just quit because of protests speaking of tau just dont mind him he is just a tupoy i will give you a proof of what i said about vietnam with u.s.
dimitboris 1 year ago
The US forces only left Vietnam after the war was officially over on the singing of the “Paris Peace Accord” on 27 January 1973, by the North Vietnamese Foreign Minister Lê Ðức Thọ and U.S. Secretary of State Henry Kissinger, who both were awarded the Nobel Peace Prize for thier efforts. However the North started hostilities again in 1974 and this time the USA did not come and help South Vietnam and by 1975 the south had lost their struggle with the north.
1bjk374 1 year ago
@1bjk374 but i just could not understand why most people view vietnam as an american defeat when in fact it wasnt. the tet offensive showed signs that the americans will win vietnam after tet offensive the nva and vc were weakening and instead of americans finishing the job after tet the americans began to withdrew their troops and turning the fight to the ARVN forces in a program called vietnamization
dimitboris 1 year ago
@dimitboris jajjaj in fact was not an american defeat jajajajaj how could still today still be americans who may try to say that the americans won anything in vietnam?? its so funny. americans loose billion sand billions, they lost half million soldiers, cause the wounded who were still alive are a bunch of crazy homeles living in the streets fo the united states,. the communist vietnamese re-united their homeland and thats call a total victory.
loslorie 1 year ago
@loslorie ur just a fucking idiot in vietnam u.s. only lost 58000 americans and u.s. won the tet offensive they just withdrew because nixon ordered them to withdraw in 1973 and u.s. withdraw its forces little by little in 1969 by a program called vietnamization if u.s. invaded vietnam it will end the vietnamn war was not a war to be won just take khe sanh as an example. did u.s. lose that battle? no your just too stupid to understand
dimitboris 1 year ago
@dimitboris what is your point? that the US didnt won the war because they didnt want to? i dont understand your point brother. vietnamisation, the presindent pulling out,congress not supporting the war, all of them maneuvers to pull out because they knew they were lost. they left with the tail between their legs like the flithy dogs they are. of course living in shame after killing thousends of innocent civilians apparently doesnt bother asholes like you.
loslorie 1 year ago
@loslorie yes u.s. did not wijn that war but they dont lose it also do you think that when an army withdraws it really lose the war there are many ways of withdrawing an army think again use your IQ you brainless glupyi
dimitboris 1 year ago
@loslorie just watch easter offensive 1972 u.s. won that offensive think again if an army withdraws does it mean it lose people in ameria are just hippies i think you just refuse to believe doesnt really veil your stupidity
dimitboris 1 year ago
@loslorie man this is what general giap said
"What we still don't understand is why you Americans stopped the bombing of Hanoi. You had us on the ropes. If you had pressed us a little harder, just for another day or two, we were ready to surrender! It was the same at the battles of TET. You defeated us! We knew it, and we thought you knew it.
dimitboris 1 year ago
@dimitboris Giap did not say that. In fact, it's a hoax, and has been proven so on many occasions. Snopes even has an article on it.
Perhaps you should collect your sources at more reputable places such as JSTOR or LexisNexis.
skankuser 1 year ago
@skankuser well just search in google general giap admits near defeat and you will see it there
dimitboris 1 year ago
@dimitboris It doesn't matter if you search it on Google. Anybody can bullshit a quote and put it on a website. That's why you have to have legitimate sources.
There's also sites that prove that the quote is false. Check out the article on Snopes.
Do you really want to debate this kid, because I'd love to tear apart the other shitty arguments you've been spouting up here.
skankuser 1 year ago
@skankuser oh yeah just watch tet offensive did the nva and vc captured saigon? in that time is that what you call u.s. defeated militarily? yes u.s. was defeated politically if an army withdraws it has many reasons kuser or whoerver you are. stupid man in 1975 saigon are american forces there? no yes i found out that article is false but think again u.s. did not lose vietnam militarily
dimitboris 1 year ago
@dimitboris ...and I never said they lost militarily, but the quote you attributed to Giap was completely false.
The problem was that the United States was that they could never win the war militarily, because the doctrine of "search and destroy" did not match well with an enemy that did not care about military losses.
There's no point in arguing any of this with you, because you haven't looked up or researched any of this. You're only regurgitating what other people have told you.
skankuser 1 year ago
@skankuser i searched it man. you are right that qoute is false and im sorry if i said something bad to you. also about that war in vietnam as i have read u.s. was there not a full scale warfare but to defend the south itself by 1973 of nixons propaganda america go home that was the main reason why american troops are withdrawn in vietnam you are right about giaps qoute man it is all false
dimitboris 1 year ago
@dimitboris It wasn't propaganda, but Kissinger and Nixon were definitely playing a double game. If you want to know a little more about the whole "peace with honor" thing and what a crock of shit it was, you should definitely check out "No Peace, No Honor: Nixon, Kissinger, and Betrayal in Vietnam" by Larry Berman. They knew damn well the North Vietnamese would launch an attack as soon as we left. We sold out the South Vietnamese. Kissinger to this day will still not debate Berman about it.
skankuser 1 year ago
@skankuser well all i wanna know man is why nixon decided to let americans withdrawand why they did not invade hanoi if the u.s. did hanoi is finished
dimitboris 1 year ago
@loslorie But we were elated to notice your media was definitely helping us. They were causing more disruption in America than we could in the battlefields. We were ready to surrender. You had won!
those are the words of general giap if you dont believe me jumbo wacko search in google general giap admits near defeat
dimitboris 1 year ago
@dimitboris and the CIA i guess didnt see that or didnt find out. for god sake, stop justifying the defeat and your shame, learn how to live in shame, stop being a bad looser.
loslorie 1 year ago
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dimitboris 1 year ago
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@loslorie well i am just trying to explain to you what happened. because you keep telling wrong ones. you are the bad loser not me because you cant understand what really happened on that war vy sovsem fignya
dimitboris 1 year ago
@ijij123 man this is what general giap said
"What we still don't understand is why you Americans stopped the bombing of Hanoi. You had us on the ropes. If you had pressed us a little harder, just for another day or two, we were ready to surrender! It was the same at the battles of TET. You defeated us! We knew it, and we thought you knew it.
dimitboris 1 year ago
@ijij123 But we were elated to notice your media was definitely helping us. They were causing more disruption in America than we could in the battlefields. We were ready to surrender. You had won!"
dimitboris 1 year ago
@ijij123 man do not believe what the media just said vietnam was the first ever televised war and you know the media sometimes made inaccurate news tet offensive was a BIG american victory but the media turned it into a defeat even the russian media turned battle of hill 3234 instead of victory into a defeat man the difference between u.s. vietnam war and soviet war in afghanistan is that the americans were winning in vietnam after the tet offensive because the nva and the vc were weakening
dimitboris 1 year ago
@ijij123 but the mujahideen in afghanistan were still intact as a guerrila force and we russians are still figthing them
dimitboris 1 year ago
@ijij123 but at least vc never defeated u.s.a. just dont believe tau he is just a crazy old man i talked to him even general giap admits that u.s. defeated north vietnam at tet and north vietnam was nearly defeated but u.s. just pulled out after tet and launched a program vietnamization thatr programs main objective is to turn over the fih to the south vietnamese arvn instead of american soldiers comrade
dimitboris 1 year ago
why U.S.wanted to conquer vietnam?
MrSniperHunt13 1 year ago
@MrSniperHunt13 No US never wanted or able to conquer Vietnam . . .The whole world with Mongols did ! How US can do or even they never ever want to do if they have real Liberty . . .US from 1776 under rule of Mongols.. .US have no Military .. .if they have.. .WWII . .Mongols did not kill more than 6 millions US ciitzen . . .Are you American?
dmtau 1 year ago
i see.Yes
MrSniperHunt13 1 year ago
@dmtau u.s. have a military what do you call the u.s. troops fighting vietnam and in ww2 dummies THINK AGAIN YOU RETARDED GOVNO!!!!!!!!!
dimitboris 1 year ago
@dimitboris Mr. "Retarded" . . Now please tell me ! "US have a military". . .What a hell why WWII was not step in US land. . .Mr."Shit" tell me why more than 6 millions good US were killed by Nazis Gas Burned. . .You are SOB. . .Don't tell me right,prove too . . . .you are death meat by your distort !
dmtau 1 year ago
@dmtau u.s. rules by mongol mongols mongols BLAH BLAH BLAH you know something tau u.s. defeated the nazis and the japanese and saved your stupid Govno pizda country from japanese you you are the SOB
dimitboris 1 year ago
@dmtau tau just shut the yebat up ok you old govno i shouldnt talk to a crazy old money like you go to the mental first before you talk to me u.s. ruled by mongols BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH :D
dimitboris 1 year ago
@MrSniperHunt13 Who do all distort ? Mongols Media name Xinhua . . with Hollywood made those Video . . . . .Now all of them already got pay for what they did . . . How . .all death .. likes US Military too .
dmtau 1 year ago
@dmtau blah blah blah tau mongols mongols you tupoy or idiot blah blah you are just a crazy old freak u.s. did not lose vietnam they were winning you stupid old gromila!!!!!!!!!! but they withdrewed after tet but at least u.s.a. was winning YOU STUPID OLD FROG COKAK BLAH BLAH BLAH MONGOLS BLAH BLAH BLAH
dimitboris 1 year ago
@dmtau BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH stop saying u.s. ruled by mongols go to the mental institution before you talk or reply me you crazy old monkey just SHUT THE YEBAT up OK
dimitboris 1 year ago
@dimitboris I can not stop to do that ! If the idiot likes you. . don't prove what the Idiot likes you comments ! Bye Xinhua "Shit"
dmtau 1 year ago
@dmtau well you want a proof go ask general vo nguyen giap you old foolish stupid man i even interviewed him and he said u.s. could have won if they did not withdrew that is what he said to me tau i a an article writer from Russia i even got to his home even though it is far he said well he was ready to abandon the campaign if u.s. did not withdrew after tet tet was the biggest damage he has ever taken in his life as he told me so you stop croaking old govno frog
dimitboris 1 year ago
@dimitboris Russia is worst than "Shits). .So they have nothing in VN.Russia under rule of Mongols more than few 1000 of yrs!Even the Idiot movies star likes Mel Gibson said to his stupis Russian Girl :
-Fuck Russia . .Fuck you too. . . .
Why this guy could used those bad works to one Nation ?The Russia or Russian people are cowards . . .99% of Russian are living in US by Welfare. . .
dmtau 1 year ago
@dmtau blah blah blah blah ruled by mongols better take your retard medication we Russians have een ruled by mongols but st alexander nevsky refused to accept the golden horde stupid
dimitboris 1 year ago
@dmtau south vietnam is a govno pizda country ruled by mongols the world japan even defeated the mongols ruled by mongols blah blah blah blah blah tau better have a brain surgery:D you tupoy govno!!!!!
dimitboris 1 year ago