I'll keep this short, the Bible says it all, scientific facts that were foretold thousand of years ago, for example, The Bible foretells us Alexander the Great, and what happens before AND after him, I can send you a link for it if you wish but after reading your previous comments to others I doubt your open-minded. The Book of revelation has foretold what will happen and what has happend so far. People who say the Bible contradicts itself are clearly blind to the fact that there are none.
First off, I have seen the "the bible predicted this" "proof" before. It always ends up being like Nostradamus' supposed predictions, that being vague, multi-applicable, and therefore meaningless.
No contradictions? Try the account of Jesus' resurrection. Two of the apostles seem to disagree on some rather significant matters.
Also have a look at Matthew. He seems to diverge from the other accounts on many topics.
As the last example I can fit in this comment, have a look at Genesis one and two. They disagree on the process and order of creation, and therefore at least one is wrong (and they also therefore came from different authors of different opinions).
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1RadicalOne.... LOL ok isnt sam harris an atheist. Y r u taking ppl outside the faith and using them as an example. 2nd of ppl have there opinions but tell me where in the quran does it say suicde killing is ok.
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No its not that but they do have a bioest opinion about islam, so how can I accept that. There r many muslims scholars that no arabic and more about islam then any other athiest out there. Y dont u use those sources
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Yeah they send the same message but there r thing that r unquie in the quran but only in the arabic langauage. No where in the quran does it ever talk about holy war. Jihad does not mean holy war. harb-u-muqadasah is the arabic word for holy war. But no where in the quran does it have any mention of that word. So how are u ganna clame something when the word is nowhere to be found in the orginal language
Jihad doesn't mean holy war? Argue with Oxford University Press. Firestone, Rueven (1999). Jihad: The Origin of Holy War in Islam. Oxford University Press. ISBN 019-5125800.
No i am not saying that but I rather go to an expert. Would u go to a muslim and ask him about evlution. I sugguest u watch some of dr zakir naik video on jihad. This man knows arabic and will explain what jihad means
Well I gave u a source so u can search it up dr zakir naik is an expert in islam so my sugguestion is to watch his videos on jihad. And if u dont accpeted the truth that fine
"but there r thing that r unquie in the quran but only in the arabic language"
...HUH??? why only in the Arabic language?? that's not too smart then is it...? so then logically that would mean only Arabian people should follow the quran and nobody else...that of course is fine with me, since I would never even be interested to follow the rules and regulations of super primitive fairytales..
@VastSupremacy The quran is unque in arabic because if u change the langauge u change some of its meaning. If u translate the quran to english for instance it will have the same message for most part but doesnt have the same effect because of the unquie language it use. By the way there has been proof of Moses spliting the sea and a flood occuring during Noahs time
@1RadicalOne No wrong the Christians say that the bible was the inspired word of god. Not the actual literal word of god. And if u do actually read the holy quran it is from gods prespective.
Then explain this quote from the late Jerry Falwell, one of the most influential preachers of the century:
"The Bible is the inerrant, literal word of the living God. It is absolutely infallible, without error in all matters pertaining to faith and practice, as well as in areas such as geography, science, history, etc."
@1RadicalOne What is there to explain. Look at the bible itself. Where is there a bible according to god? its all according to matthew, mark, luke, john. So it obvously wasnt the literal word of god.
@1RadicalOne Ok but ti still isnt the literal word of god. It is the word of men schaulers. But not the actual word of god. The quran means the recitation. Which is the actual word of god.
@1RadicalOne I dont think u understand what I am saying. Literal word of god means coming out straight from god and that the quran. But the bible is inspired word of god. Meaning his message was inspired but not his actual words.
I ask you to prove that this direct speak ever occurred. And in anticipation of what I suspect you will provide, you need a source outside the Quran or hadith to prove the Quran or hadith.
@1RadicalOne Have u read the quran?? it is in 1st persective. u dont need an outside soruch of the quran or hadith because those r the source that r the most accuret.
@1RadicalOne Y cant u use a source that proves itself. WOuld u say the same thing about science??? I mean u need another source to confirm what u say so its basically the same thing.
Science is not used to prove itself, not in the sense you are implying. Science is the process of making hypotheses - essentially educated guesses - and testing them. If the evidence acquired supports the hypotheses, they become theories - a sort of explanation.
@1RadicalOne Yeah but these explanation change throughout time so nothing is ever consistent. So 1 day u belive something and will die 4 that belif as an athiest but then some new theory comes out and then u change ur mind. Do u see the inconsitiancy with scinece.
@1RadicalOne No i dont think its more reliable. But what i am saying is u can be arguing 1 thing 2day but change ur opinion on it 2morrow. But the only thing the science is proving that this universe it complex which is just more evidence that god exist.
@1RadicalOne No i wouldnt argue something that has been shown false. But nothing in the quran has show to be false. If there are mathemtical rules how isnt this complicating. Our earth is perfectly away from the sun to hold life. How isnt that complex right there itself.
If u actually notice from all those relgious from chrsitainty hindus and the ancient egyptians, had a god that was limited and its creation. But god isnt part of creation, so therefore he isnt limted. That is the differnece.
One, the Earth is only "perfect" for OUR life. Had it been farther or closer, some other form of life would be here and say "look how perfect it was for us! It must be design!".
More, there is actually quite a lot of leeway in how far it can be and be habitable to current life. Ten million miles further, no big difference.
Two, not all of those religions have limited gods - Christianity and Judaism being the big ones - and how does that matter anyways?
@1RadicalOne Wrong if the earth moved a bit away from the son or closer. It would be to cold or to hot to ever have life on it. So that doesnt work. All i am saying is that it was prefectly placed for us to live on. Now how can something like that happend on its own. As far as the limited god's. It does matter because if they are part of creation, that means they were limited and were created from some1. But if they r not limited and r outside of creation, they arnt born or created.
@mcpencil evolution is a theory, ask any evolutionary biologist. the fossil record is not complete furthermore conjectures have been added to bridge the gap between the records. it is a theory, so hence not fact
....and yet 99.9999999999% of scientists in the relevant fields accept evolution. May I remind you, gravity is also a theory.
Therefore, for all practical purposes, according to real world knowledge instead of "revelations from angels", evolution is true, and the Quran is false.
You are misunderstanding what the word "theory" means in science; it is not what it means in casual English, but rather something closer to "explanation". Look this up anywhere you like, save for places like Answers in Genesis, and you will see what I mean. Even Wikipedia has a decent article on it.
@mcpencil What about evolution? It doesnt go against Islam. It is not confirmed or denied by islam. There are still scientist in the world that deny the theory of evolution because it has flaws.
The Quran states that "Allah" literally created man from dust/earth, in a similar way to Genesis from the Bible... so it's totally against evolution. Therefore Islam is against reality as observed by science.
@mcpencil LOL really shows how much u know about islam. When it was refering to creating man. Who was it talking about it was talking about Adam not the entire mankind. The quran states that god created u in stages. And also mentions that every living things was made from water. Which we know is a scentific fact today. So i think that u need to read the quran and study it before u just throw things out. So please study it and dont just google things thanks!
You're living in a fantasy if you get your worldview, opinions, and morality, from blind faith in an ancient book. The Quran is mostly plagiarism of earlier texts anyway.
@mcpencil Really thats all u got, plagarisim? If ur talking about plagiarisim from the bible, its wrong because there are many stories that are different. Again i sugguest that u read the Quran and islamic source before u make such claims.
@mcpencil Fairytales lol. I think ur living in a fariytail were u belive that the universe was created on its own. LOL Lets throw logic out the window completely.
@bosnianmuslim22 The Qur'an is nonsense all you need to do is read the true holy book The Lord Of The Rings, there is indesputable evidence that the great prophet tolkien (peace be upon him) actually did write it, his son is actually still alive and is an eye witness! Please give yourself to the light of tolkien or you will be damning yourself to eternity in the dark lord Saurons fire pits!
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When they justify it through scripter. Anyone can take things out of context from scripter to use it the way they want. There r muslim suicide bombers, but islam does not allow that.
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well if they belive in god but dont follow the scripters how does it make it them part of the relgion just because they say the belive in the god lol come on u make no sense at all. If some is born into a muslim famliy lets say and do all these things that r against islam r u ganna call them muslims just becuase where they were born lol no! of course not. If you dont follow the scipters they are following something else just like what atheist do.
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1RadicalOne... There is no difference between and atheist and a so called theisted that doesnt follow that scripters. Saying that ur muslims or a belive isnt a actually beliver. U have to show it through following scripter but those ppl that are in jail dont follow scripters just like atheist. No relgiouse muslims would ever say that the muslim in jail is a true beliver
Yes, there is. If they believe in a religious god - any god - they are, by definition, NOT an atheist. You can't try to redefine a group of people just to prove your point.
"No relgiouse [sicx2] muslims would ever say that the muslim in jail is a true beliver [sic]"
Same with the Christians, Jews, Hindus, etc. But that's the No True Scotsman Fallacy.
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Ok less then a qurater of them are atheist what is that mean. A lack of belife in god could also mean that u belife but dont follow scripter. Like atheist do they dont follow scripter right. Nether do those ppl that go 2 jail meaning they are close to atheistim just because they dont follow scripter. I wouldnt concider some1 muslim if they go out there and rape some1 or do somthing horrific becuase islam doesnt allow those things. Every atheist follows his own ways right so u can say there all
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Every atheist out there usally has the belifs of his society for the most part. So if u c a bunch of killing in ur society u will turn to that. 4 example look at ghettos in america, r u telling me those ppl that r in gangs r relgiouse ppl? Just because he belifes in god does that make him a belifer. No it dosent because he isnt following scripture and any1 that dosent means he is an atheist in a way just because they do what atheist do which is not follow scripter
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I have answered all ur questions but all ur doing is repeating urself and clam that i didnt answer them.
And yes, any1 that rapes some1 or kills inncents or things of that nature, has a lack of belif in god. In islam we r suppose 2 fear god!! And any1 that fears god would never rape a women or things like that.
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But the majority of muslims dont force it!!! that what u need to get. And even if the majority did that doesnt reflect of islam because no were in islam does it say u will be punished if u dont wear ur hajab. Thats the thing man u dont get. In islam there is punishment for adultry or murdering inncents ect but no where does it say anything about punishing women that done wear hijab thats what u need to understand
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1RadicalOne.... Yeah but what i am saying is u r way off with 2 million most ppl think its in the 5 to 6 million range. But that doesnt even matter how many belifers there r that has nothing 2 do with islam.
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Ok then meaning then once that do wear it dont do it out of fear or force cuz there are muslims that dont. And i am not trying to sound rude but ur not a muslims women so how are u ganna say how they feel. Just because 1 told u she is forece 2 wear it. I know many muslim women that do wear it and some that dont, and non of them ever say they r force to wear it. Come on now man, u really need 2 stop using the media as ur source and go out there and ask muslim women.
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The quran says to wear it not force it. Thats what ur not getting. And just because some muslims force it doesnt mean its islam. Just like I said if an atheist rapes some1 ur not ganna blame every athesist for that. The quran doesnt forces it so u really dont have nothing! So u should stop repeating ureself, cuz that doesnt get u anywhere
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1RadicalOne... It says 7 million I dont think it would be that big of a difference. Like u said about 2 million which is a hug difference. But that doesnt even matter how many ppl r muslims in america its the fastest growing religion
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the source is go to google and type in population by religion in the US, and click on the 1st link and ull find it there. I try to send the direct adress but for some reason it is not showing up on the comments.
The first link is Wikipedia. Not a very reliable source. And even there you've distorted it. It reads "The number of Muslims in the US is somewhat controversial. Some sources mention estimates as high as 6-7 million"
Indicating that that is the HIGH end of the scale. Even so, it's still less than 2 percent. Compare that to the fact that 11 percent are atheists. Believe me, they ARE a major minority.
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No were in the book does it say wear it or ull suffer the consequences. Like I said before it says it should be worn, But nowhere does it say force them to wear it. Dont look at what some muslims do, but look at what islam teaches
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1RadicalOne.... U know one muslim that does it out of fear. U know how many muslims I know, they all say they do it out of love to god and 2 respect themseleves, I have never heard any women being force to wear it by her family or friends. And why dont the 1s that dont wear it fear any1 there friends or family?
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1RadicalOne... No actually the book doesnt force it. It tells u that u should without a question wear it, but u cant be force to wear it thats the difference.
If the book says to wear it, and the parents and/or Islamic police say "follow the book exactly or suffer the consequences", then yes, they ARE being forced to do it.
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I am not just throwing out statistics i reasearched it. U can even go outside and ask a bunch of ppl if they were virgins when they got married. How many ppl in america would actually say they were virgins till marriage, I dont know any and i have a lot of american friends.
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1RadicalOne... Reasearch them and ull find out that there r about 6 million muslims in america but y does that even matter no1 here forces them to wear the hajab but they still wear it y?
They do it because, as I said EARLIER, they feel it is necessary to be accepted by family/friends/etc. I know one Muslim female who wears it simply out of fear of her parents' reaction. Surely she cannot be alone in that regard.
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Obvously its not overkill. Look at america 95% have sex before marriage, meaning these kind of things r happening more and more. Society brain washes women to dress a certain way for mens desires and women have to keep a certain standard to have guys attention. Now tell me is these suppose 2 be moral?
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Well u said that look at what some of these countries do 2 force women to wear hajab. So every muslim is like that or islam is like that, thats what u basically ment. So i said u cant blame every atheist 4 some atheist that go out there and rape some1.
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If you actually find statistics the majority of them say that there about 6 million muslim in america.
Where anywhere in those versues does it talk about forcing women 2 wear the hajb. It say it should be worn, but nowhere does it say u have to force them to wear it.
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1RadicalOne... What do u mean do i look 4 those things? Just pay attention whats going around u man. How many guys do u know when they c big breast or big backside r ganna look and make a comment about it. Even go up 2 the girl a flirt with her. Which could lead 2 a date which could lead 2 kissing which could lead 2 sex. So if u use ur head maybe there is logic behind covering up.
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1RadicalOne... What are u talking about man there r 6 million muslims in america. and is also the fastest growing relgion in america due to conversions. OK just because they do it at those places doesnt mean islam teaches it. Where in the quran does it froce women 2 cover up. I want proof from the quran. Cuz that islam is the quran not what some muslims do
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I dont think u have any idea how many muslims r there in the US. There r about 6 million muslims and about 25000 convert every year and 60% of them are women. If they felt oppressed y r so many women converting or should i say reverting? And I can tell ur brain washed by media just because they do it in iraq doesnt mean islam forces it. And women have the freedom here 2 not wear it but many of them do y? Here its a free country so they can wear it or not doesnt matter what friends or family thin
0.6 percent of Americans are Muslims. That's not even two million. Get your facts straight. For contrast, there are more ATHEISTS in the US, and I'm sure you're aware of the evangelicals' opinions on us.
"Just because they do it in Iraq"?
And Iran, and Pakistan, and Afghanistan, and Saudi Arabia, and Sudan, etc etc etc. It's especially convincing when they try to use the scriptures as "justification" for that.
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1RadicalOne.... Man u really dont get it. U said whats wrong with wearing a t shirt and some shorts. 1st of tshirt show there how big there breast r. Meaning that would attract men 2 look at them 4 there looks. 2nd 4 shorts u can see there backside and u can c there legs which also is an attection to men. Like I said before it isnt just about how a women looks it is about here personality.
Do you really LOOK for those things? Perhaps, then, the root of the problem has been identified. Most people - sane, rational, self-controlled people - couldn't care less.
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Dude u really r brain washed by media. Instead of making these crazy clams y dont u ask a muslim women, how she fells. Women in america can dress as they like including muslim women, so y r they still covering up if they have the freedom?
First off, there are NOT many Muslims (of any gender) in America. The Christians make sure of that.
Second, yes, they can. But not because of Islam, but because the law SAYS THEY CAN. Doing to women here in Canada what would be done in Iraq lands you in JAIL.
Third, ask? And how do you suppose I would compensate for pressure from family and friends? As was said about Christianity, "how to tell if they just follow to keep the parents happy?"
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1RadicalOne.... Yeah god tells them to cover up. They dont have to cover up there face. And like I said women arnt forced to wear it, and those who are beaten 4 it, thats not islam. They choose 2 wear it, and its moral because they arnt look at because of there looks but 4 personality.
Unlike a lot of women in america that dress like hookers just 2 get attention from guys is that suppose 2 me moral. Atleast when they cover up the respect there bodies.
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By the way women are allow to take there hajabs off when they are around women or family member or childern. There are also things men have to do that women dont 4 example provide 4 the family. Women can work, but they have the choice to ether spend it on the family or spend it for themselve which men dont have the same option.
Allowed to take them off when alone with family or other females? And how exactly is that moral, to decree that women must wear certain clothing whenever in public, just because a "holy" book says so? Especially considering what happens to women who disobey.
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How would i be surpised. Men have more strenght then women that a proven fact man.
As far as the dress code is concerned it is 4 modesty. It is required 2 wear, but it cant be forced on nobody. What is wrong with covering up and being modest then dressing like a hooker. The purpose 4 it also is 4 the men not 2 just look at them just 4 there look but by there personality and brain.
I stuggest u actually read about islam and not just find propaganda that is put on tv.
You would be surprised because you don't know her.
Anyway, "modesty"? You are saying covering all but the eyes is necessary for that? "forced on nobody"? Then why are women who disobey beaten, mutilated, and sometimes murdered?
And don't start the "it's all a propaganda conspiracy" canard. You won't do well.
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1RadicalOne... Do u know what jihad means??? I dont think u do man. It means self struggle against things that are against islam. Thats what jihad means ur brain washed by the media. Where in the quran does it talk about conquer the world? Islam only teaches 2 fight in self defends and that it should be the last thing u 2 concider. By the way holy war in arabic is harabum muqaddasah, but that word is nowhere mention in the quran. So dont look at media if u want information
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There r muslims out there that drink ok, but my point is islam doesnt allow it. Athesim allows everything the individual want.
And actually no its not a contradiction, for example if some1 breaks into ur house and wants 2 steal ur things and u and ur family r there r u going 2 send ur wife out there 2 try to stop him or r u ganna go out there 2 stop him. Of course u r because u have more strength. Its the mans job to protect his family.
You really ARE dense. My point was not that there are muslims who drink, but that it was ridiculous to impose sanctions on it. Furthermore, cut the "atheists can do whatever they want" crap. I blew that out of the water in my first volley of comments. Try reading them.
"U [sic] r [sic] because u [sic] have more strength."
You'd be surprised, actually. Furthermore, what about issues that are not physically rooted, such as the "glass ceiling" and the islamic dress code?
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they streighten ur position hahaha man u have no idea what ur talking about. What islam teaches is selfdefends. R u telling me if some1 wanted to come into ur house and kill u and u killed them that would be wrong?
No. That would be self-defense. (That said, nonlethal incapacitation would be the more desirable alternative.)
But you missed my point entirely. What Islam teaches is Jihad, holy war, world conquest. Too often have I heard "it's in self-defense against invasion by this culture/that people/their ideology" for it to be believable.
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1RadicalOne... Ok they r killing for oil and goverment is not right then ok its not always about religouse reasons 4 wars. As far as bush is concernt he isnt the only 1 that decided 2 go 2 war. There other that decide if they can go 2 war or not
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1RadicalOne..... Man u have no idea what ur talking about. Have u ever gone out and seen drunk ppl its barly ever in privite ppl go 2 clubs parties. Get drunk, and because of that drinking get into fights, fornicating which could lead 2 stds. And doing so many unlawful things. And as u mention bad 4 ur health. Thats a redicules question to even ask.
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U dont drink but there are millions of atheist that do drink and do other things that are unlawful. And no islam is not sexist, there are just things womens rolls in life and there are mens rolls in life. Man and women are equal but not the same.
But 4 u who determines what is good or what is bad?
There are millions of Christians who drink. Millions of others of other groups who drink. What's your point? That only the "true" muslims are lawful people? More, besides the obvious health risks, what exactly is immoral about drinking - if done appropriately, in moderation and in private?
"Islam is not sexist...there are womens [sic] rolls [sic] in life and mens [sic]."
Congratulations. Contradicted yourself in the same sentence.
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sura 9;6 If one of the idol worshipers sought safe passage with you, you shall grant him safe passage, so that he can hear the word of GOD, then send him back to his place of security. That is because they are people who do not know.
So my suggustion to u is please read the whole quran! and put things in context.
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sura 9;5 Once the Sacred Months are past, (and they refuse to make peace) you may kill the idol worshipers when you encounter them, punish them, and resist every move they make. If they repent and observe the Contact Prayers (Salat) and give the obligatory charity (Zakat), you shall let them go. GOD is Forgiver, Most Merciful.
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Next up sura 9 in context.
sura 9;4 If the idol worshipers sign a peace treaty with you, and do not violate it, nor band together with others against you, you shall fulfill your treaty with them until the expiration date. GOD loves the righteous
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sura 2;190 Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for Allah loveth not transgressors.
Meaning u cant start wars and cant transgress. I dont think u have ever read the whole quran.
sura 5;32 anyone who murders any person who had not committed murder or horrendous crimes, it shall be as if he murdered all the people. And anyone who spares a life, it shall be as if he spared the lives of all the people. Meaning cant kill inncents.
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Wow man have u ever heard of putting things into context and not just use a versue. read sura 8 the whole thing and put it into context it is talking about when ur in war, that u cast terror in the enemy. The ppl that are attacking you. And if u put it into context with other verses of the quran, it tells you that u cant kill inncents, cant start wars and cant transgress limiteds.
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Ok that exactly what America is doing in Iraq they are fighting the goverment and wanted to get rid of saddam hussain and esp democercy. Does it make it right for them to force democercy on another country. Thats according to the media that war is about democercy but i personally think its for oil. So is it right to kill for oil? And if there is no goverment what does that mean? there is no laws. Which means ppl could do whatever they want.
It's about both democracy and oil, but it also incorporates some of the "holy war" doctrine. In Bush's own wordsm "God told me to go to war with Iraq."
No, it is not right. Can I stop it? No; I'm not even a US citizen.
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1RadicalOne... 1st of man this aint no spelling contest. I am in a hurry thats y i miss spell things.First point about morality, where do u get it from to determine what is right and what is wrong? And as far as pregency and crimes are concered it has nothing 2 do with the relgion. Some1 that a muslim follows the quran and sex outside of marriages and commiting crimes is prohibited in islam. Meaning so called "muslim" are more atheist then they are muslims because they dont follow the quran.
What is right and wrong? It should be intrinsically obvious that under almost all circumstances say, theft is wrong - I hope for your sake it is, even without scripture - and that something like drinking alcohol, while a bad health choice, is not morally wrong if done in private (and not done before driving).
You also used the "no true scotsman" fallacy. I'll leave that one to you to research.
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And you also said ppl could be doing something more productive then praying. The point of prayer is to keep u away from bad things like alchole and other things like that.
Why is prayer necessary to do that? Case in point: I don't drink - at all - but do I pray about it? No.
(Moreover, who is to declare what is "good" and "bad"? Your god? Why, then, does everyone's god seem to express their personal convictions? (E.g. Phelps' god is a raging homophobe, Sharia Muslims' god is sexist, etc.)
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Ok just because some ppl fight for relgion doesnt mean the relgion is like that. 2nd of not every war is against relgion. Like the war in iraq is 4 oil does that make it right. There is war to overthrow goverments does that mean we should get rid of goverments. If 1 atheist does something bad do we blame all atheist because they can do what they want. I mean ur calms r redicules.
Moving on, "just because some people fight for religion doesn't mean religion is like that".
Which religion do you want to paint as peaceful? Islam? Then why "cast terror into the hearts of those who are bent on denying the truth; strike, then, their necks!" (Koran 8.12).? God instructs his Muslim followers to kill unbelievers, to capture them, to ambush them (Koran 9.5). Everything contributes to advancing the holy goal: "Strike terror into God's enemies, and your enemies" (Koran 8.60).
"And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying ... he that blasphemeth the name of the LORD, he shall surely be put to death, and all the congregation shall certainly stone him. Leviticus 24:13-16"
"Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy everything that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women,
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AtheisticHappiness 1 year ago
So many atheists on YouTube! Did you see atheistichappiness attack religion.
AtheisticHappiness 1 year ago
great Video 5 stars!!!!
VastSupremacy 2 years ago
I'll keep this short, the Bible says it all, scientific facts that were foretold thousand of years ago, for example, The Bible foretells us Alexander the Great, and what happens before AND after him, I can send you a link for it if you wish but after reading your previous comments to others I doubt your open-minded. The Book of revelation has foretold what will happen and what has happend so far. People who say the Bible contradicts itself are clearly blind to the fact that there are none.
Exposetheworld 2 years ago
First off, I have seen the "the bible predicted this" "proof" before. It always ends up being like Nostradamus' supposed predictions, that being vague, multi-applicable, and therefore meaningless.
No contradictions? Try the account of Jesus' resurrection. Two of the apostles seem to disagree on some rather significant matters.
Also have a look at Matthew. He seems to diverge from the other accounts on many topics.
1RadicalOne 2 years ago
Ok, thanks I'll take a look, mind sending the specific links?
God Bless
Exposetheworld 2 years ago
Here is one concerning the aforementioned tomb discrepancy:
watch?v=eBvS7kfWCgg
Here are a few "Matthewian" contradictions:
Matt 19:26 vs Judges 1:19
Matt 13:12 vs Psalm 92:15 (and more)
Matt 7:8 vs Proverbs 1:28
Matt 8:5-7 vs Luke 7:3-7
As the last example I can fit in this comment, have a look at Genesis one and two. They disagree on the process and order of creation, and therefore at least one is wrong (and they also therefore came from different authors of different opinions).
1RadicalOne 2 years ago
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thats like me going to a muslim who wrote a book on atheism and y its wrong r u ganna accept that?
bosnianmuslim22 2 years ago
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1RadicalOne.... LOL ok isnt sam harris an atheist. Y r u taking ppl outside the faith and using them as an example. 2nd of ppl have there opinions but tell me where in the quran does it say suicde killing is ok.
bosnianmuslim22 2 years ago
Are you saying you won't listen to a non-Muslim? If so, there's no point in debating you.
1RadicalOne 2 years ago
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No its not that but they do have a bioest opinion about islam, so how can I accept that. There r many muslims scholars that no arabic and more about islam then any other athiest out there. Y dont u use those sources
bosnianmuslim22 2 years ago
"There are many Muslim scholars that no [sic] Arabic than any other athiest [sic] out there"
Prove they know more.
1RadicalOne 2 years ago
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What do u mean prove they know more. Its common sense if some1 know the original language of these things then they obvously would know more
bosnianmuslim22 2 years ago
Oh, please. Not the "only the original Arabic Quran is true, all other versions distort the 'true' message" canard.
1RadicalOne 2 years ago
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Yeah they send the same message but there r thing that r unquie in the quran but only in the arabic langauage. No where in the quran does it ever talk about holy war. Jihad does not mean holy war. harb-u-muqadasah is the arabic word for holy war. But no where in the quran does it have any mention of that word. So how are u ganna clame something when the word is nowhere to be found in the orginal language
bosnianmuslim22 2 years ago
Jihad doesn't mean holy war? Argue with Oxford University Press. Firestone, Rueven (1999). Jihad: The Origin of Holy War in Islam. Oxford University Press. ISBN 019-5125800.
1RadicalOne 2 years ago
Argue with Oxford Unversity press r u seriosue man. Y dont u ask a muslim what jihad means???
bosnianmuslim22 2 years ago
So you ARE saying you won't listen to a non-Muslim.
1RadicalOne 2 years ago
No i am not saying that but I rather go to an expert. Would u go to a muslim and ask him about evlution. I sugguest u watch some of dr zakir naik video on jihad. This man knows arabic and will explain what jihad means
bosnianmuslim22 2 years ago
Would I go to a Muslim? Sure, if they were a biologist qualified in the field of evolutionary biology.
1RadicalOne 2 years ago
Well I gave u a source so u can search it up dr zakir naik is an expert in islam so my sugguestion is to watch his videos on jihad. And if u dont accpeted the truth that fine
bosnianmuslim22 2 years ago
@bosnianmuslim22
"but there r thing that r unquie in the quran but only in the arabic language"
...HUH??? why only in the Arabic language?? that's not too smart then is it...? so then logically that would mean only Arabian people should follow the quran and nobody else...that of course is fine with me, since I would never even be interested to follow the rules and regulations of super primitive fairytales..
VastSupremacy 2 years ago
@VastSupremacy The quran is unque in arabic because if u change the langauge u change some of its meaning. If u translate the quran to english for instance it will have the same message for most part but doesnt have the same effect because of the unquie language it use. By the way there has been proof of Moses spliting the sea and a flood occuring during Noahs time
bosnianmuslim22 1 year ago
@VastSupremacy And no the quran is every1 but since its the literal word of god it has to be recited in arabic while praying
bosnianmuslim22 1 year ago
You have to prove the assertion that the Qu'ran is the "literal word of god".
You do realize the Christians make the EXACT same claim.
1RadicalOne 1 year ago
@1RadicalOne No wrong the Christians say that the bible was the inspired word of god. Not the actual literal word of god. And if u do actually read the holy quran it is from gods prespective.
bosnianmuslim22 1 year ago
Then explain this quote from the late Jerry Falwell, one of the most influential preachers of the century:
"The Bible is the inerrant, literal word of the living God. It is absolutely infallible, without error in all matters pertaining to faith and practice, as well as in areas such as geography, science, history, etc."
1RadicalOne 1 year ago
@1RadicalOne What is there to explain. Look at the bible itself. Where is there a bible according to god? its all according to matthew, mark, luke, john. So it obvously wasnt the literal word of god.
bosnianmuslim22 1 year ago
I agree, though for somewhat different reasons. The bible is a load of crap, and a great deal of it is very violent disgusting crap.
My point is that the "[scripture] is the word of god" is a claim made by at least four religions, all with the exact same "evidence".
1RadicalOne 1 year ago
@1RadicalOne Ok but ti still isnt the literal word of god. It is the word of men schaulers. But not the actual word of god. The quran means the recitation. Which is the actual word of god.
bosnianmuslim22 1 year ago
So your argument is that its name means word of god, and therefore that means it is the word of god. Pathetic.
1RadicalOne 1 year ago
@1RadicalOne I dont think u understand what I am saying. Literal word of god means coming out straight from god and that the quran. But the bible is inspired word of god. Meaning his message was inspired but not his actual words.
bosnianmuslim22 1 year ago
You need to prove that the quran is the literal word of your god first.
1RadicalOne 1 year ago
@1RadicalOne He spoke directily to muhammad through the angel garbrial. SO whatever god told him to say he recited. Have u ever read the quran????
bosnianmuslim22 1 year ago
I ask you to prove that this direct speak ever occurred. And in anticipation of what I suspect you will provide, you need a source outside the Quran or hadith to prove the Quran or hadith.
1RadicalOne 1 year ago
@1RadicalOne Have u read the quran?? it is in 1st persective. u dont need an outside soruch of the quran or hadith because those r the source that r the most accuret.
bosnianmuslim22 1 year ago
No, you cannot use a source to prove itself. An incorrect source will provide erroneous proofs.
1RadicalOne 1 year ago
@1RadicalOne Y cant u use a source that proves itself. WOuld u say the same thing about science??? I mean u need another source to confirm what u say so its basically the same thing.
bosnianmuslim22 1 year ago
Science is not used to prove itself, not in the sense you are implying. Science is the process of making hypotheses - essentially educated guesses - and testing them. If the evidence acquired supports the hypotheses, they become theories - a sort of explanation.
1RadicalOne 1 year ago
@1RadicalOne Yeah but these explanation change throughout time so nothing is ever consistent. So 1 day u belive something and will die 4 that belif as an athiest but then some new theory comes out and then u change ur mind. Do u see the inconsitiancy with scinece.
bosnianmuslim22 1 year ago
Yes, science changes to accommodate new evidence. This makes it closer and closer to reality.
Do you really believe that holding a belief, even after finding proof it is wrong, is more reliable?
1RadicalOne 1 year ago
@1RadicalOne No i dont think its more reliable. But what i am saying is u can be arguing 1 thing 2day but change ur opinion on it 2morrow. But the only thing the science is proving that this universe it complex which is just more evidence that god exist.
bosnianmuslim22 1 year ago
"what i am saying is u can be arguing 1 thing 2day but change ur opinion on it 2morrow."
So? Would you rather argue the same thing, even long after it is shown to be false?
"science is proving that this universe it complex which is just more evidence that god exist. "
One, the universe is actually rather simple, being the manifestation of a few mathematical rules.
Two, how does it specifically prove YOUR god as opposed to that of the Christians, or the Hindus, or the Ancient Egyptians?
1RadicalOne 1 year ago
@1RadicalOne No i wouldnt argue something that has been shown false. But nothing in the quran has show to be false. If there are mathemtical rules how isnt this complicating. Our earth is perfectly away from the sun to hold life. How isnt that complex right there itself.
If u actually notice from all those relgious from chrsitainty hindus and the ancient egyptians, had a god that was limited and its creation. But god isnt part of creation, so therefore he isnt limted. That is the differnece.
bosnianmuslim22 1 year ago
One, the Earth is only "perfect" for OUR life. Had it been farther or closer, some other form of life would be here and say "look how perfect it was for us! It must be design!".
More, there is actually quite a lot of leeway in how far it can be and be habitable to current life. Ten million miles further, no big difference.
Two, not all of those religions have limited gods - Christianity and Judaism being the big ones - and how does that matter anyways?
1RadicalOne 1 year ago
@1RadicalOne Wrong if the earth moved a bit away from the son or closer. It would be to cold or to hot to ever have life on it. So that doesnt work. All i am saying is that it was prefectly placed for us to live on. Now how can something like that happend on its own. As far as the limited god's. It does matter because if they are part of creation, that means they were limited and were created from some1. But if they r not limited and r outside of creation, they arnt born or created.
bosnianmuslim22 8 months ago
Your opening statement is simply false, and the rest of your comment falls apart from there.
1RadicalOne 8 months ago
@bosnianmuslim22
"But nothing in the quran has show to be false."
um.. evolution?
mcpencil 9 months ago
@mcpencil evolution is a theory, ask any evolutionary biologist. the fossil record is not complete furthermore conjectures have been added to bridge the gap between the records. it is a theory, so hence not fact
MrArv786 9 months ago
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....and yet 99.9999999999% of scientists in the relevant fields accept evolution. May I remind you, gravity is also a theory.
Therefore, for all practical purposes, according to real world knowledge instead of "revelations from angels", evolution is true, and the Quran is false.
mcpencil 9 months ago
You are misunderstanding what the word "theory" means in science; it is not what it means in casual English, but rather something closer to "explanation". Look this up anywhere you like, save for places like Answers in Genesis, and you will see what I mean. Even Wikipedia has a decent article on it.
1RadicalOne 9 months ago
@mcpencil What about evolution? It doesnt go against Islam. It is not confirmed or denied by islam. There are still scientist in the world that deny the theory of evolution because it has flaws.
bosnianmuslim22 4 months ago
@bosnianmuslim22
The Quran states that "Allah" literally created man from dust/earth, in a similar way to Genesis from the Bible... so it's totally against evolution. Therefore Islam is against reality as observed by science.
mcpencil 4 months ago
@mcpencil LOL really shows how much u know about islam. When it was refering to creating man. Who was it talking about it was talking about Adam not the entire mankind. The quran states that god created u in stages. And also mentions that every living things was made from water. Which we know is a scentific fact today. So i think that u need to read the quran and study it before u just throw things out. So please study it and dont just google things thanks!
bosnianmuslim22 4 months ago
@bosnianmuslim22
You're living in a fantasy if you get your worldview, opinions, and morality, from blind faith in an ancient book. The Quran is mostly plagiarism of earlier texts anyway.
mcpencil 4 months ago
@mcpencil Really thats all u got, plagarisim? If ur talking about plagiarisim from the bible, its wrong because there are many stories that are different. Again i sugguest that u read the Quran and islamic source before u make such claims.
bosnianmuslim22 1 day ago
@bosnianmuslim22
Hi. Who cares about this argument? I didn't realise it was still important to you. Let's just move on, it's totally pointless. Have a nice day.
mcpencil 1 day ago
@bosnianmuslim22
But you're welcome to live in a fantasy fairytale...
mcpencil 4 months ago
@mcpencil Fairytales lol. I think ur living in a fariytail were u belive that the universe was created on its own. LOL Lets throw logic out the window completely.
bosnianmuslim22 4 months ago
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@bosnianmuslim22
When did I ever say the universe was created on it's own, and what does this have to do with evolution?
mcpencil 4 months ago
@bosnianmuslim22 The Qur'an is nonsense all you need to do is read the true holy book The Lord Of The Rings, there is indesputable evidence that the great prophet tolkien (peace be upon him) actually did write it, his son is actually still alive and is an eye witness! Please give yourself to the light of tolkien or you will be damning yourself to eternity in the dark lord Saurons fire pits!
greeny202a 1 year ago
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When they justify it through scripter. Anyone can take things out of context from scripter to use it the way they want. There r muslim suicide bombers, but islam does not allow that.
bosnianmuslim22 2 years ago
Islam does not allow that? Really? Is that what you believe? I suggest you read Sam Harris' "The End of Faith".
1RadicalOne 2 years ago
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well if they belive in god but dont follow the scripters how does it make it them part of the relgion just because they say the belive in the god lol come on u make no sense at all. If some is born into a muslim famliy lets say and do all these things that r against islam r u ganna call them muslims just becuase where they were born lol no! of course not. If you dont follow the scipters they are following something else just like what atheist do.
bosnianmuslim22 2 years ago
"do all these things that r [sic] against islam"
When they try to justify what they do with passages from the scripture, it becomes clear their actions are not secular.
1RadicalOne 2 years ago
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1RadicalOne... There is no difference between and atheist and a so called theisted that doesnt follow that scripters. Saying that ur muslims or a belive isnt a actually beliver. U have to show it through following scripter but those ppl that are in jail dont follow scripters just like atheist. No relgiouse muslims would ever say that the muslim in jail is a true beliver
bosnianmuslim22 2 years ago
Yes, there is. If they believe in a religious god - any god - they are, by definition, NOT an atheist. You can't try to redefine a group of people just to prove your point.
"No relgiouse [sicx2] muslims would ever say that the muslim in jail is a true beliver [sic]"
Same with the Christians, Jews, Hindus, etc. But that's the No True Scotsman Fallacy.
1RadicalOne 2 years ago
Every1 is a indivdual thinker in someway, but what i am saying is that socetity does play a roll in it as well
bosnianmuslim22 2 years ago
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atheist just because they dont follow scripter
bosnianmuslim22 2 years ago
By definition, atheism is the lack of a belief in a god. They are NOT "all atheists".
1RadicalOne 2 years ago
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Ok less then a qurater of them are atheist what is that mean. A lack of belife in god could also mean that u belife but dont follow scripter. Like atheist do they dont follow scripter right. Nether do those ppl that go 2 jail meaning they are close to atheistim just because they dont follow scripter. I wouldnt concider some1 muslim if they go out there and rape some1 or do somthing horrific becuase islam doesnt allow those things. Every atheist follows his own ways right so u can say there all
bosnianmuslim22 2 years ago
Less than a quarter of a percent. That translates to less than a 250th.
And you use the no true scotsman fallacy again. I suggest you reread the response it got the LAST two times.
1RadicalOne 2 years ago
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Every atheist out there usally has the belifs of his society for the most part. So if u c a bunch of killing in ur society u will turn to that. 4 example look at ghettos in america, r u telling me those ppl that r in gangs r relgiouse ppl? Just because he belifes in god does that make him a belifer. No it dosent because he isnt following scripture and any1 that dosent means he is an atheist in a way just because they do what atheist do which is not follow scripter
bosnianmuslim22 2 years ago
"Every atheist out there usally [sic] has the belifs [sic] of his society for the most part"
Not entirely. Atheists tend to be individual, independent thinkers.
Yes, those "ppl" [sic] are "relgiouse" [sic]. Almost all Americans are.
1RadicalOne 2 years ago
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I have answered all ur questions but all ur doing is repeating urself and clam that i didnt answer them.
And yes, any1 that rapes some1 or kills inncents or things of that nature, has a lack of belif in god. In islam we r suppose 2 fear god!! And any1 that fears god would never rape a women or things like that.
bosnianmuslim22 2 years ago
You have not satisfactorily answered the questions. Yes, I am repeating myself, because you are not getting the point.
"any1 [sic] that rapes some1 [sic] or kills inncents [sic] has a lack of belif [sic] in god"
What? Do the research. Less than a quarter of a percent of the american prison population is atheist. Try again.
1RadicalOne 2 years ago
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But the majority of muslims dont force it!!! that what u need to get. And even if the majority did that doesnt reflect of islam because no were in islam does it say u will be punished if u dont wear ur hajab. Thats the thing man u dont get. In islam there is punishment for adultry or murdering inncents ect but no where does it say anything about punishing women that done wear hijab thats what u need to understand
bosnianmuslim22 2 years ago
Read the previous comments.
1RadicalOne 2 years ago
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1RadicalOne.... Yeah but what i am saying is u r way off with 2 million most ppl think its in the 5 to 6 million range. But that doesnt even matter how many belifers there r that has nothing 2 do with islam.
bosnianmuslim22 2 years ago
Then why did you make a point of it? Surely you were trying to prove something.
1RadicalOne 2 years ago
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Ok then meaning then once that do wear it dont do it out of fear or force cuz there are muslims that dont. And i am not trying to sound rude but ur not a muslims women so how are u ganna say how they feel. Just because 1 told u she is forece 2 wear it. I know many muslim women that do wear it and some that dont, and non of them ever say they r force to wear it. Come on now man, u really need 2 stop using the media as ur source and go out there and ask muslim women.
bosnianmuslim22 2 years ago
Why don't you stop repeating yourself and read the responses those questions received last week?
1RadicalOne 2 years ago
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The quran says to wear it not force it. Thats what ur not getting. And just because some muslims force it doesnt mean its islam. Just like I said if an atheist rapes some1 ur not ganna blame every athesist for that. The quran doesnt forces it so u really dont have nothing! So u should stop repeating ureself, cuz that doesnt get u anywhere
bosnianmuslim22 2 years ago
You are in fact the one repeating yourself. If a great many Muslims force it because of what they read in their scriptures, it IS Islam.
"If an atheist rapes some1 [sic] ur [sic] not ganna [sic x2] blame every athesist [sic]"
No, but do they do it out of a lack of a belief? No.
1RadicalOne 2 years ago
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1RadicalOne... It says 7 million I dont think it would be that big of a difference. Like u said about 2 million which is a hug difference. But that doesnt even matter how many ppl r muslims in america its the fastest growing religion
bosnianmuslim22 2 years ago
That is true, yes. Does that prove its correctness nor acceptability? No.
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nejraa54 2 years ago
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Go all the way down to islam and read... Even obama says there are about 7 million muslims in the US
bosnianmuslim22 2 years ago
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the source is go to google and type in population by religion in the US, and click on the 1st link and ull find it there. I try to send the direct adress but for some reason it is not showing up on the comments.
bosnianmuslim22 2 years ago
The first link is Wikipedia. Not a very reliable source. And even there you've distorted it. It reads "The number of Muslims in the US is somewhat controversial. Some sources mention estimates as high as 6-7 million"
Indicating that that is the HIGH end of the scale. Even so, it's still less than 2 percent. Compare that to the fact that 11 percent are atheists. Believe me, they ARE a major minority.
1RadicalOne 2 years ago
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No were in the book does it say wear it or ull suffer the consequences. Like I said before it says it should be worn, But nowhere does it say force them to wear it. Dont look at what some muslims do, but look at what islam teaches
bosnianmuslim22 2 years ago
It says in the book "wear it".
The people who enforce it say "follow the book or suffer"
Surely you can figure THIS out, can't you?
1RadicalOne 2 years ago
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1RadicalOne.... U know one muslim that does it out of fear. U know how many muslims I know, they all say they do it out of love to god and 2 respect themseleves, I have never heard any women being force to wear it by her family or friends. And why dont the 1s that dont wear it fear any1 there friends or family?
bosnianmuslim22 2 years ago
Why don't they fear it?
Two possible reasons:
Moderation - in which case you go against your own arguments, as there are Muslims who do not follow the dress code you've been defending.
Confidence/Independence - They may have parents who want it, but are aware that their life should not be a reflection of someone else's demands.
1RadicalOne 2 years ago
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1RadicalOne... No actually the book doesnt force it. It tells u that u should without a question wear it, but u cant be force to wear it thats the difference.
bosnianmuslim22 2 years ago
If the book says to wear it, and the parents and/or Islamic police say "follow the book exactly or suffer the consequences", then yes, they ARE being forced to do it.
1RadicalOne 2 years ago
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I am not just throwing out statistics i reasearched it. U can even go outside and ask a bunch of ppl if they were virgins when they got married. How many ppl in america would actually say they were virgins till marriage, I dont know any and i have a lot of american friends.
bosnianmuslim22 2 years ago
You researched it? Give me a source.
1RadicalOne 2 years ago
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1RadicalOne... Reasearch them and ull find out that there r about 6 million muslims in america but y does that even matter no1 here forces them to wear the hajab but they still wear it y?
bosnianmuslim22 2 years ago
They do it because, as I said EARLIER, they feel it is necessary to be accepted by family/friends/etc. I know one Muslim female who wears it simply out of fear of her parents' reaction. Surely she cannot be alone in that regard.
1RadicalOne 2 years ago
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Obvously its not overkill. Look at america 95% have sex before marriage, meaning these kind of things r happening more and more. Society brain washes women to dress a certain way for mens desires and women have to keep a certain standard to have guys attention. Now tell me is these suppose 2 be moral?
bosnianmuslim22 2 years ago
Stop throwing out statistics and PROVE THEM.
1RadicalOne 2 years ago
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Well u said that look at what some of these countries do 2 force women to wear hajab. So every muslim is like that or islam is like that, thats what u basically ment. So i said u cant blame every atheist 4 some atheist that go out there and rape some1.
bosnianmuslim22 2 years ago
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If you actually find statistics the majority of them say that there about 6 million muslim in america.
Where anywhere in those versues does it talk about forcing women 2 wear the hajb. It say it should be worn, but nowhere does it say u have to force them to wear it.
bosnianmuslim22 2 years ago
6 Million? Hell, even WIKIPEDIA disagrees with you on that!
"Nowhere does it force them"
Really? Does having it in the book, then demanding that they follow the book to the letter not count as forcing?
1RadicalOne 2 years ago
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1RadicalOne... What do u mean do i look 4 those things? Just pay attention whats going around u man. How many guys do u know when they c big breast or big backside r ganna look and make a comment about it. Even go up 2 the girl a flirt with her. Which could lead 2 a date which could lead 2 kissing which could lead 2 sex. So if u use ur head maybe there is logic behind covering up.
bosnianmuslim22 2 years ago
How many? Not many. I do not tend to associate with those who are more concerned with instinctual desire than intellect.
There's logic in clothing, yes, but going fanatical with the hijab is most certainly overkill.
1RadicalOne 2 years ago
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R u ganna say cuz some atheist r rapest that all would be rapest of course not. But according 2 ur logic that would be the case
bosnianmuslim22 2 years ago
What? How?
1RadicalOne 2 years ago
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1RadicalOne... What are u talking about man there r 6 million muslims in america. and is also the fastest growing relgion in america due to conversions. OK just because they do it at those places doesnt mean islam teaches it. Where in the quran does it froce women 2 cover up. I want proof from the quran. Cuz that islam is the quran not what some muslims do
bosnianmuslim22 2 years ago
Saying "what are you talking about" and reasserting your incorrect "facts" does not make them right. Try again.
Proof from the Quran? Try this:
"Enjoin your wives, your daughters, and the wives of true believers that they should cast their outer garments over their persons"
[sura 33:59]
Here's one from the Hadith:
"the Prophet hung a curtain between me and him and the Verse regarding the order for Hijab was revealed. " [Volume 7, Book 65, Number 375]
1RadicalOne 2 years ago
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Let me ask u something 2 u is it moral 4 a girl 2 go around sleeping with a bunch of guys? Or the other way around.
bosnianmuslim22 2 years ago
No. And you merely make yourself look foolish by trying to make it look like I said it was.
1RadicalOne 2 years ago
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I dont think u have any idea how many muslims r there in the US. There r about 6 million muslims and about 25000 convert every year and 60% of them are women. If they felt oppressed y r so many women converting or should i say reverting? And I can tell ur brain washed by media just because they do it in iraq doesnt mean islam forces it. And women have the freedom here 2 not wear it but many of them do y? Here its a free country so they can wear it or not doesnt matter what friends or family thin
bosnianmuslim22 2 years ago
0.6 percent of Americans are Muslims. That's not even two million. Get your facts straight. For contrast, there are more ATHEISTS in the US, and I'm sure you're aware of the evangelicals' opinions on us.
"Just because they do it in Iraq"?
And Iran, and Pakistan, and Afghanistan, and Saudi Arabia, and Sudan, etc etc etc. It's especially convincing when they try to use the scriptures as "justification" for that.
1RadicalOne 2 years ago
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1RadicalOne.... Man u really dont get it. U said whats wrong with wearing a t shirt and some shorts. 1st of tshirt show there how big there breast r. Meaning that would attract men 2 look at them 4 there looks. 2nd 4 shorts u can see there backside and u can c there legs which also is an attection to men. Like I said before it isnt just about how a women looks it is about here personality.
bosnianmuslim22 2 years ago
Do you really LOOK for those things? Perhaps, then, the root of the problem has been identified. Most people - sane, rational, self-controlled people - couldn't care less.
1RadicalOne 2 years ago
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Dude u really r brain washed by media. Instead of making these crazy clams y dont u ask a muslim women, how she fells. Women in america can dress as they like including muslim women, so y r they still covering up if they have the freedom?
bosnianmuslim22 2 years ago
First off, there are NOT many Muslims (of any gender) in America. The Christians make sure of that.
Second, yes, they can. But not because of Islam, but because the law SAYS THEY CAN. Doing to women here in Canada what would be done in Iraq lands you in JAIL.
Third, ask? And how do you suppose I would compensate for pressure from family and friends? As was said about Christianity, "how to tell if they just follow to keep the parents happy?"
1RadicalOne 2 years ago
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Its like me saying 4 example look at those women in rap videos there made 2 dress skanky or theyll get fired is that fair or moral?
bosnianmuslim22 2 years ago
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1RadicalOne.... Yeah god tells them to cover up. They dont have to cover up there face. And like I said women arnt forced to wear it, and those who are beaten 4 it, thats not islam. They choose 2 wear it, and its moral because they arnt look at because of there looks but 4 personality.
Unlike a lot of women in america that dress like hookers just 2 get attention from guys is that suppose 2 me moral. Atleast when they cover up the respect there bodies.
bosnianmuslim22 2 years ago
Oh, christ. You don't learn, do you? You used the "no true Scotsman" fallacy before. Yes, it is Islam. They are some of the most devout followers.
And you move to strawman. "dress like hookers is that suppose [sic] 2 [sic] me [sic] moral."
Who said anything like what you are asserting that I am promoting? What exactly is wrong with, say, an average T-Shirt and average shorts?
1RadicalOne 2 years ago
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By the way women are allow to take there hajabs off when they are around women or family member or childern. There are also things men have to do that women dont 4 example provide 4 the family. Women can work, but they have the choice to ether spend it on the family or spend it for themselve which men dont have the same option.
bosnianmuslim22 2 years ago
Allowed to take them off when alone with family or other females? And how exactly is that moral, to decree that women must wear certain clothing whenever in public, just because a "holy" book says so? Especially considering what happens to women who disobey.
1RadicalOne 2 years ago
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How would i be surpised. Men have more strenght then women that a proven fact man.
As far as the dress code is concerned it is 4 modesty. It is required 2 wear, but it cant be forced on nobody. What is wrong with covering up and being modest then dressing like a hooker. The purpose 4 it also is 4 the men not 2 just look at them just 4 there look but by there personality and brain.
I stuggest u actually read about islam and not just find propaganda that is put on tv.
bosnianmuslim22 2 years ago
You would be surprised because you don't know her.
Anyway, "modesty"? You are saying covering all but the eyes is necessary for that? "forced on nobody"? Then why are women who disobey beaten, mutilated, and sometimes murdered?
And don't start the "it's all a propaganda conspiracy" canard. You won't do well.
1RadicalOne 2 years ago
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1RadicalOne... Do u know what jihad means??? I dont think u do man. It means self struggle against things that are against islam. Thats what jihad means ur brain washed by the media. Where in the quran does it talk about conquer the world? Islam only teaches 2 fight in self defends and that it should be the last thing u 2 concider. By the way holy war in arabic is harabum muqaddasah, but that word is nowhere mention in the quran. So dont look at media if u want information
bosnianmuslim22 2 years ago
I don't look at the media - too much bias - but, if I did, where would I look? Not your Koran, I hope.
1RadicalOne 2 years ago
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There r muslims out there that drink ok, but my point is islam doesnt allow it. Athesim allows everything the individual want.
And actually no its not a contradiction, for example if some1 breaks into ur house and wants 2 steal ur things and u and ur family r there r u going 2 send ur wife out there 2 try to stop him or r u ganna go out there 2 stop him. Of course u r because u have more strength. Its the mans job to protect his family.
bosnianmuslim22 2 years ago
You really ARE dense. My point was not that there are muslims who drink, but that it was ridiculous to impose sanctions on it. Furthermore, cut the "atheists can do whatever they want" crap. I blew that out of the water in my first volley of comments. Try reading them.
"U [sic] r [sic] because u [sic] have more strength."
You'd be surprised, actually. Furthermore, what about issues that are not physically rooted, such as the "glass ceiling" and the islamic dress code?
1RadicalOne 2 years ago
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they streighten ur position hahaha man u have no idea what ur talking about. What islam teaches is selfdefends. R u telling me if some1 wanted to come into ur house and kill u and u killed them that would be wrong?
bosnianmuslim22 2 years ago
No. That would be self-defense. (That said, nonlethal incapacitation would be the more desirable alternative.)
But you missed my point entirely. What Islam teaches is Jihad, holy war, world conquest. Too often have I heard "it's in self-defense against invasion by this culture/that people/their ideology" for it to be believable.
1RadicalOne 2 years ago
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1RadicalOne... Ok they r killing for oil and goverment is not right then ok its not always about religouse reasons 4 wars. As far as bush is concernt he isnt the only 1 that decided 2 go 2 war. There other that decide if they can go 2 war or not
bosnianmuslim22 2 years ago
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1RadicalOne..... Man u have no idea what ur talking about. Have u ever gone out and seen drunk ppl its barly ever in privite ppl go 2 clubs parties. Get drunk, and because of that drinking get into fights, fornicating which could lead 2 stds. And doing so many unlawful things. And as u mention bad 4 ur health. Thats a redicules question to even ask.
bosnianmuslim22 2 years ago
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U dont drink but there are millions of atheist that do drink and do other things that are unlawful. And no islam is not sexist, there are just things womens rolls in life and there are mens rolls in life. Man and women are equal but not the same.
But 4 u who determines what is good or what is bad?
bosnianmuslim22 2 years ago
There are millions of Christians who drink. Millions of others of other groups who drink. What's your point? That only the "true" muslims are lawful people? More, besides the obvious health risks, what exactly is immoral about drinking - if done appropriately, in moderation and in private?
"Islam is not sexist...there are womens [sic] rolls [sic] in life and mens [sic]."
Congratulations. Contradicted yourself in the same sentence.
1RadicalOne 2 years ago
Who determines what is good or bad? I answered that in a previous comment.
1RadicalOne 2 years ago
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sura 9;6 If one of the idol worshipers sought safe passage with you, you shall grant him safe passage, so that he can hear the word of GOD, then send him back to his place of security. That is because they are people who do not know.
So my suggustion to u is please read the whole quran! and put things in context.
bosnianmuslim22 2 years ago
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sura 9;5 Once the Sacred Months are past, (and they refuse to make peace) you may kill the idol worshipers when you encounter them, punish them, and resist every move they make. If they repent and observe the Contact Prayers (Salat) and give the obligatory charity (Zakat), you shall let them go. GOD is Forgiver, Most Merciful.
bosnianmuslim22 2 years ago
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Next up sura 9 in context.
sura 9;4 If the idol worshipers sign a peace treaty with you, and do not violate it, nor band together with others against you, you shall fulfill your treaty with them until the expiration date. GOD loves the righteous
bosnianmuslim22 2 years ago
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also in sura 8
[8:56] You reach agreements with them, but they violate their agreements every time; they are not righteous.
[8:57] Therefore, if you encounter them in war, you shall set them up as a deterrent example for those who come after them, that they may take heed.
[8:58] When you are betrayed by a group of people, you shall mobilize against them in the same manner. GOD does not love the betrayers.
bosnianmuslim22 2 years ago
Why are you posting these quotes? They strengthen MY position, not yours? Does this really seem like the actions of a benevolent deity?
1RadicalOne 2 years ago
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sura 2;190 Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for Allah loveth not transgressors.
Meaning u cant start wars and cant transgress. I dont think u have ever read the whole quran.
sura 5;32 anyone who murders any person who had not committed murder or horrendous crimes, it shall be as if he murdered all the people. And anyone who spares a life, it shall be as if he spared the lives of all the people. Meaning cant kill inncents.
bosnianmuslim22 2 years ago
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Wow man have u ever heard of putting things into context and not just use a versue. read sura 8 the whole thing and put it into context it is talking about when ur in war, that u cast terror in the enemy. The ppl that are attacking you. And if u put it into context with other verses of the quran, it tells you that u cant kill inncents, cant start wars and cant transgress limiteds.
bosnianmuslim22 2 years ago
Riiiight. I give you two quotes. And your response? "You took it out of context!" Classic.
1RadicalOne 2 years ago
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Ok that exactly what America is doing in Iraq they are fighting the goverment and wanted to get rid of saddam hussain and esp democercy. Does it make it right for them to force democercy on another country. Thats according to the media that war is about democercy but i personally think its for oil. So is it right to kill for oil? And if there is no goverment what does that mean? there is no laws. Which means ppl could do whatever they want.
bosnianmuslim22 2 years ago
It's about both democracy and oil, but it also incorporates some of the "holy war" doctrine. In Bush's own wordsm "God told me to go to war with Iraq."
No, it is not right. Can I stop it? No; I'm not even a US citizen.
1RadicalOne 2 years ago
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1RadicalOne... 1st of man this aint no spelling contest. I am in a hurry thats y i miss spell things.First point about morality, where do u get it from to determine what is right and what is wrong? And as far as pregency and crimes are concered it has nothing 2 do with the relgion. Some1 that a muslim follows the quran and sex outside of marriages and commiting crimes is prohibited in islam. Meaning so called "muslim" are more atheist then they are muslims because they dont follow the quran.
bosnianmuslim22 2 years ago
No, it isn't a spelling contest, but your lack of comprehension thereof makes clear your corresponding lack of education.
1RadicalOne 2 years ago
Bzzt. Two fallacies in one comment.
What is right and wrong? It should be intrinsically obvious that under almost all circumstances say, theft is wrong - I hope for your sake it is, even without scripture - and that something like drinking alcohol, while a bad health choice, is not morally wrong if done in private (and not done before driving).
You also used the "no true scotsman" fallacy. I'll leave that one to you to research.
1RadicalOne 2 years ago
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And you also said ppl could be doing something more productive then praying. The point of prayer is to keep u away from bad things like alchole and other things like that.
bosnianmuslim22 2 years ago
Why is prayer necessary to do that? Case in point: I don't drink - at all - but do I pray about it? No.
(Moreover, who is to declare what is "good" and "bad"? Your god? Why, then, does everyone's god seem to express their personal convictions? (E.g. Phelps' god is a raging homophobe, Sharia Muslims' god is sexist, etc.)
1RadicalOne 2 years ago
Before you reply, read ALL of the comments I have replied with. There are, not including this comment, six.
1RadicalOne 2 years ago
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Ok just because some ppl fight for relgion doesnt mean the relgion is like that. 2nd of not every war is against relgion. Like the war in iraq is 4 oil does that make it right. There is war to overthrow goverments does that mean we should get rid of goverments. If 1 atheist does something bad do we blame all atheist because they can do what they want. I mean ur calms r redicules.
bosnianmuslim22 2 years ago
First off, learn spelling and grammar. Your comments are nearly incomprehensible.
1RadicalOne 2 years ago
Moving on, "just because some people fight for religion doesn't mean religion is like that".
Which religion do you want to paint as peaceful? Islam? Then why "cast terror into the hearts of those who are bent on denying the truth; strike, then, their necks!" (Koran 8.12).? God instructs his Muslim followers to kill unbelievers, to capture them, to ambush them (Koran 9.5). Everything contributes to advancing the holy goal: "Strike terror into God's enemies, and your enemies" (Koran 8.60).
1RadicalOne 2 years ago
Christianity is the same.
"And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying ... he that blasphemeth the name of the LORD, he shall surely be put to death, and all the congregation shall certainly stone him. Leviticus 24:13-16"
"Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy everything that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women,