Huckabee: "wives are to be servants" Dec 10 Worst Person.

[missyouhoo]

miss this guy

[xaviervonrottie]

Fucking LOL at someone here trying to use the Adam and Eve story as a REAL argument!

[wesleyfpt]

Sadly, this is the best republicans can do in 2012.

[CreedChrist]

[Our government] originating in the voluntary compact of a people who in that very instrument profess the Christian religion, it may be considered, not as republic Rome was, a Pagan, but a Christian republic." In 1811 ( People v Ruggles), New York Chief Justice James Kent held: "'...whatever strikes at the root of Christianity tends manifestly to the dissolution of civil government... .' We are a Christian people, and the morality of the country is deeply engrafted upon Christianity.

[AtlantoLemurian]

@CreedChrist

How many times do I have to tell you, i'm a Libertarian, and I reject the whole left/right paradigm?! Looks like you really do have selective hearing.

[AtlantoLemurian]

@CreedChrist

While their were attempts by some of our founding fathers (most notably Benjamin Rush and Patrick Henry) to make bible studies mandatory for all American schools, their proposals were shot down with the signing of the Virginia Statute for Religious Freedom in 1786 and later with the signing of the first amendment on December 15, 1791.

[AtlantoLemurian]

@CreedChrist

Historians on both the left and the right have got it wrong. Left-wing historians insist that our founding fathers were all secalurists and/or unitarians (like John Adams or Thomas Jefferson), and they intended America to be a secular nation, but right-wing Evangelicals are no better in their assertions that our founding fathers were all devout, bible-thumping, born-again Christians who inteded America to be a Christian nation. Well, both these statements aren't entirely true.

[AtlantoLemurian]

@CreedChrist

The 1811 people v ruggles case was about some guy who was sentenced to prison for three months for uttering blasphemy against Jesus and his mother Mary. You ignore the fact that the New York State constitution in 1811 was very different than today, and if this kind of case occured today, the offender WOULD NOT be imprisoned for any length of time, and such an action would be viewed as a violation of freedom of speech.

[AtlantoLemurian]

@CreedChrist

I also forgot to add this fact concerning the people v ruggles case: it was entirely a state-level case, NOT a federal-level case.

[AtlantoLemurian]

@CreedChrist

I know the reason why you brought up the people v ruggles case: as the typical, born-again Evangelical Dominionist, you long for the good ol' days when people could be thrown in prison for insulting Christianity, right? Well get used to it; times have changed. Just as slavery today is illegal (which it wasn't in 1811), the offender in a similiar case today wouldn't be imprisioned, and such an action would be viewed as a violation of free speech.

[AtlantoLemurian]

@CreedChrist

Just because insulting Christianity was illegal 200 years doen't mean it should be illegal today. We all know slavery wasn't illegal 200 years ago, but now it is. Why can't the same go for Christianity?

[CreedChrist]

In a 1774 report to King George, the Governor of Boston noted: "If you ask an American, who is his master? He will tell you he has none, nor any governor but Jesus Christ." The pre-war Colonial Committees of Correspondence soon made this the American motto: "No King but King Jesus." And this sentiment was carried over into the 1783 peace treaty with Great Britain ending that war, which begins "In the name of the most Holy and Undivided Trinity... ."

[AtlantoLemurian]

@CreedChrist

I anticipated you'd respond with more born-again, pro-Evangelical Dominionist Propoganda, all of which can be easily disproved. All the events you described occured before the signing of the Virginia Statute for Religious Freedom in 1786 and and the ratification of the Bill of Rights and the signing of the first amendment on December 15, 1791.

[AtlantoLemurian]

@CreedChrist The bottom line is that we're neither a Christian nore secular republic; we're a constitutional republic whose chief religion happens to be Christianity. While some of our founding fathers like Benjamin Rush did attempt turn America into a Christian nation, their attempts were shot down with the signing of the Virginia Statute for Religious Freedom in 1786, and again with the signing of the 1st amendment on December 15, 1791.

[CreedChrist]

liberals are so dumb. Liberal American obviously doesn't understand the roles of wife and husband and the differing authority. Yes the husband is head of the wife and a true wife should reverence her husband. In american many wives do not follow this command anymore and are wild and rebellious. The husbands aren't willing to take lead anymore. And in turn they are paying for it, the divorce rate in America is the highest in the world.

[AtlantoLemurian]

@CreedChrist

Move to the middle east if you don't like the idea of women bieng allowed to divorce or work outside the home, you mysogynistic piece of shit! And no, I'm not liberal, but it's crystal clear that the only idiot here is you.

[CreedChrist]

@AtlantoLemurian you sound like a typical left-wing nut. Filthy mouth, unable to make a point across without swearing and insulting. A wife should honor and respect her husband. Man is the head of woman because God gave him that authority to lead and direct his family. Without that there is no direction in marriage and it cannot function correctly. Feminist perverts the marriage roles, and thats why there is so much divorce

[AtlantoLemurian]

@CreedChrist

Are you deaf, or do you have selective hearing? I told you, I'm not a liberal. I'm also not left-wing. In fact, I'm neither left nor right, because the whole left/right paradigm is false. And also FYI, I happen to be a libertarian; I'm conservative on some issues and liberal on others. While it's true liberals are dumb neocons like you are every bit as dumb for using the bible to justify degrading the status of women to that of second citizens.

[AtlantoLemurian]

@CreedChrist

I notice how christian conservatives like you (not all christian conservatives are mysogynistic BTW) are quick to condemn middle eastern countries like Saudi Arabia for their brutal oppression of women in spite of the fact that if people like you had you way, women would be just as brutally oppressed over here as in Saudi Arabia. That fact perfectly demonstrates the depths of your hypocrisy.

[AtlantoLemurian]

@CreedChrist

Just be honest and admit the fact that you hate women as much as the Taliban you constantly demonize.

It also sounds like you're against egalitarian relationships between men and women. If you wanna live in a country where such relationships between the genders is non-existent and women are denigrated to the status of second-class citizens for religious reasons, then move to the ,middle east. I'm sure you'll be much happier there.

[AtlantoLemurian]

@CreedChrist

I'm against no-fault divorce, and while it's true the feminist movement has lost its way, nothing changes the fact that you're a sexist who talks and thinks like it's the year 1510 rather than 2010. Back then, the sole purpose of woman was that of a baby factory and nothing more. Women today have proven themselves to be more than just that, but mysogynistic bible-thumpers like you just LOVE to deny reality.

[CreedChrist]

@AtlantoLemurian ook at the divorce rates genius and the stability of the family in the western world today. The western world has the highest rate of divorce and illititimacy than the rest of the world. Over half of all prison inmates are from broken homes. Women were taken care of better earlier and had stable familys unil the feminist movement. Now they are kicked out and forced to get jobs and support their deadbeat husbands. How free is that? lol. But your too blinded by liberal hypocrisy

[CreedChrist]

@AtlantoLemurian where have I condemned Saudi Arabia? You know nothing about me so how do you know what I support and what I do not? Your argument that the bible treats women as "second class citizens" it a leftist feminist rhetoric created by Jewish secular feminists like Gloria Stienen and Betty Freidan. So yes you are influenced by the liberal left wingnuts. Traditional gender roles have nothing to do with being second class citizen.

[AtlantoLemurian]

@CreedChrist

Okay, so I was wrong. The reason why you don't condemn Saudi Arabia is because you approve of their brutal oppression of women, and their denigration to the status of second-class citizens. If you really do love the way Saudi Arabia treats their women, then why don't you move there?

[AtlantoLemurian]

@CreedChrist

Women in Saudi Arabia aren't allowed to work outside the home, hold positions of authority, can't divorce and can't leave their homes without their husband's permission. Even then, thy can't go anywhere in public unless escorted by a male relative. They're also not allowed to inherit wealth or own property since they're technically property themselves, first of their fathers, then their husbands after they marry.

[AtlantoLemurian]

@CreedChrist

Women were once treated in a similiar fasion in the western world until modern times.

And for the upteenth time, I am Not a liberal, i'm a libertarian. I'm fiscally and politically conservative (I hate big governments and excess spending), and socially liberal. You're a complete fucking idiot for thinking that i'm a left-wing liberal just because I support women's rights.

[AtlantoLemurian]

@CreedChrist

The bible treats women as second-class citizens is left-wing feminist propaganda you say? HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!! Looks like someone can't handle the truth! The truth is a bitch, isn't it?! The sad fact is, the bible HAS been one of the biggest oppressors of women throughout history.

[AtlantoLemurian]

@CreedChrist

The way you label anyone or anything that doesn't agree with you as "left-wing propaganda" reflects the depths of you ignorance and stupidity.

[nrobyar]

Yes, don't you just love Mike Huckabee??? Keith Oberman gets the WORST PERSON award!!!!

[mdelcamp1]

Maybe most people, including MSNBC's Keith Oberman, do not understand how A.I.D.S. / S.I.D.S. is transmitted to others. As it happens, at the start of this new and deadly disease, I read a feature story - yes, an actual investigative journalistic piece - about the Gay Canadian airline steward who, knowing his promiscuous lifestyle was spreading death, persisted anyway. Maybe you should read it yourselves.

[Ishmulel]

burqa

[abramwaltskarda]

Olberman is the most biased person in news he couldn't be balanced if he tried.

[skydived95]

So to get this straight ..... Huckabee was reclined in his favorite lounger while Mrs. Huckabee is feeding him grapes and his son was out slaughtering the neghborhood dogs and cats? gotta luv those fucking Christians LOL

[1776freedomfighter]

What an ignoramous. Stick it up your ass you stupid son of a bitch. God will get you for that one. Everyone is created equal, you dumbass. This would be a much better world if the tables were turned and women were in the position that men are in. Men have f***ed this world up royal.

[mdelcamp1]

Feminism and Abortion is engendered by Corporate Capitalism and the Government who have figured out it loots American family resources, picks the pockets of Main Street America. It is Top Down, not Bottom Up like Women's Vote Movement, which was also a mistake, given today's American modernist culture. Environmentalism steals property rights similarly, of the Middle Class, in favor of silly ideas of resource and population Malthusian thinking; just a power grab and a compelling political lie.

[SnApLiTs]

and this relates the the video?

[sheerterror77]

Haha. Maybe Huckabee got so fat because he was sitting on his fat ass while his wife was serving him for all those years...

[cunextmeet]

Vote Huckabee get a burqa llolll!!!!

[ThumbWarDestroyer]

fucking conservative christians will be the death of America.

[CreedChrist]

@ThumbWarDestroyer you are honestly THAT stupid? Who were the founding fathers of American? They were all Christians with conservative values! It was built by christian European hands!. Abraham Lincoln found the republican party. Without the conservative republicans the slaves would still be slaves. Read a history book please! You left-wing nuts are gonna turn America into a socialist country, you filthy socialist..

[AtlantoLemurian]

@CreedChrist

You're the one who needs to read a history book, stupid. While are founding fathers were Christian, they were NOT conservative by the standards of their times. If they were conservative, they would've never rebelled against Great Britain in the first place. And further more, While the Republicans did indeed abolish slavery And segregation, that was back when they were the liberal party.

[AtlantoLemurian]

@CreedChrist

You sound like the typical right-wing, Evangelical nutbag who thinks our founding fathers were all bible-thumping Christians who inteded America to be a Christian Theocracy with Christianity as the state religion. Hate to shine the light of truth on you, but that simply isn't true. I'll disprove your assertions that our founding fathers intended America to be a Christian theocracy with quotes from some of our founding fathers in my next post.

[AtlantoLemurian]

@CreedChrist

"Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burned, tortured, fined and imprisioned; yet we have not advanced one inch towards uniformity."

"Question with boldness even the existence of a god; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason, than that of blind-folded fear."

"Christianity neither is, nor ever was, part of the common law." - Thomas Jefferson

[AtlantoLemurian]

@CreedChrist

"The Government of the United States is not in any sense founded upon the Christian religion."

"This would be the best of all possible worlds, if there were no religion in it."

-John Adams

"All national institutions of churches, whether Jewish, Christian or Turkish, appear to me no other than human inventions, set up to terrify and enslave mankind, and monopolize power and profit" - "Thomas Paine

[AtlantoLemurian]

@CreedChrist

And you right-wing Evangelical nuts wanna turn America into a Christian Fascist Theocracy, you filthy Christofascist. You fourth reich (err, far right) Evangeliclowns are every bit as bad, of not worse, than the Islamic Taliban, because just like them, you won't stop at nothing to shove your religion down everybody's throats.

[CreedChrist]

@AtlantoLemurian of be quiet with your filththy mouth. At least speak like a mature adult(which must be hard for leftists). Samuel Adams, who has been called 'The Father of the American Revolution' wrote The Rights of the Colonists in 1772, which stated: "The rights of the colonists as Christians...may be best understood by reading and carefully studying the institution of the Great Law Giver and Head of the Christian Church, which are to be found clearly written and promulgated in the NT

[AtlantoLemurian]

@CreedChrist

While it's true some of our founding fathers were indeed conservative in terms of their religious beliefs (such as Samuel Adams, George Washington, Patrick Henry or Benjamin Rush), they were contrasted by those with more liberal religious beliefs or who rejected organized religion altogether (like Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Paine, John Adams, Benjamin Franklin or James Madison).

[AtlantoLemurian]

@CreedChrist

Let me give you some parallels between Iran (an Islamic theocracy) and America if it ever becomes a Christian Theocracy:

1. In Iran, non-Muslims are thrown in prison. Same thing would happen to non-Christians like myself if America ever becomes a theocracy.

2. In Iran, all other religions except Islam are outlawed. Same thing would go with America in this scenario: all other religions except Christianity would be outlawed. (continued in next post).

[AtlantoLemurian]

@AtlantoLemurian

3. In addition to non-Muslims, humanist, feminist and secularists (who are undoubtedly on your hate list) are also thrown in prison.

4. Women aren't allowed to vote, hold office, work outside the home or own property in Iran (since their technically property themselves; first of their fathers, then their husbands). Same would go for America if mysogynists like you have your way.

[AtlantoLemurian]

@AtlantoLemurian

5. Anything anti-Islam in Iran is outlawed. (BTW: Pakistan recently banned Utube for alleged anti-Islamic content). Evangelical Dominionists are no diffrerent in the way you're always campaigning to outlaw or censor anything that's anti-Christian, all the while promoting hatred and intolerance towards othe religions.

6. In Iran, women and non-muslims are forbidden by law to vote. Same goes for America in this scenario: women and non-Christians would be forbidden from voting.

[AtlantoLemurian]

@AtlantoLemurian

7. material such as pronography, rap and rock music are banned in Iran. Same would go for America if you evangelical dominionists are allowed to have your way.

8. Last but not least: Athiesm and homosexuality is punishable by death in Iran. Athiesm and homosexuality would too be punishable by death in America if you dominionists are allowed to have you way.

[AtlantoLemurian]

@AtlantoLemurian

The reasons i've just stated are the reasons why conservative christians will be the death of America if allowed to have your way: We'll cease to be the land of the free and home of the brave, and become the land of the reppressed and home of the persecuted, just Like Iran is today. So again, if you really want to live in a country with a reppressive theocratic government, move to Iran.

[AtlantoLemurian]

@CreedChrist

Yes, Christian conservatives will be the death of America, because you people wanna turn America into a totalitarian, Christian theocracy, where all other religions would be outlawed, and non-Christians like myself thrown into prison, women wouldn't be allowed to vote, work outside the home or hold office, and athiesm and homosexuality would be punsihable by death. If you want to live in a country with a theocratic government, move to Iran or Saudi Arabia.

[liberalgrl]

Olbermann rules!

[nrobyar]

If this is the worst thing you can find to tag someone with this title, you are a sad bunch. Huckabee was speakin to a Baptist church and this has nothing to do with his running for President. Presidents don't enforce their religious beliefs on the public. You guys will think of anything to try and criticize. With Huckabee you really have to nit pick

[DuckyInThePond]

Mysoginism isn't a religious belief.

[Anakrias]

O noes, if you support huckabee, your not only sexist, but your a muslim too...

the burqa (or however its spelt) is religous clothing for the muslims, why is it under fire when this has nothing to do with that? I am christian and i agree with the traditional marraige, not an abusive one. A servant unto her husband, and a husband that is to provide and protect all of his wifes needs. Yay Huckabee!

[pujoe]

Both husband/wife submit to God first...there is no room for abuse of a wife under "servant leadership." (ideally...however not all Christian husbands are perfect as their wives know)

As we know, not all "public servants" act as our servants. If Huckabee TRULY holds himself accountable to God, he will not abuse the powers entrusted him...however, he is not perfect either like most men...I can only count on him to not abuse the power we entrust him with because he knows that he cannot fool God.

[Xonedos]

If he is elected i am moving to Canada.

[juhsepi]

Bye

[Bureyeanne]

It's fitting that the music by Bach is about the fear of God.

[GodSaveUs80]

Submitting yourselves one to another in the fear of God. Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body. Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing. Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it; (Eph. 5:21-25)

Also see 1 Peter 3, Titus 2, Col 3:18-19, etc

[carpal24]

Well if the bible says it it must be right. LOL

[juhsepi]

The purpose of the message is how to get a marriage to work.

#1 It's tells wives to trust in there husbands

#2 It's telling Husbands to earn your wifes trust, and then lists how to go about that.

#3 If you going to mock those that trust in the Bible, then don't be a coward about hearing something you don't like.

[carpal24]

I am sorry, how am I being a coward? I thought I was challenging something I did not agree with. How is that cowardly?

[juhsepi]

Your right, perhaps coward isn't the right word. Ignorant seems more suitable. Address the rest of what said.

[GodSaveUs80]

I despise Huckabee as the shill he is, but as a Christian I agree with him on this point. The matter then becomes: if you're a Christian, you won't want to hear it. And if you are - what else do you expect him to say?

[DragonFly122]

"Wives are to be servants"

This is soooooo Handmaid's tale.

What a douchebag.

[makapuubodysurfing1]

BS............................­

[SuperFantasticMan]

The word "submit" has been warped into a terrible word nowadays. Men and Women are supposed to submit to God. Wives are supposed to respect and submit to their husbands. Husbands are supposed to love their wives as Christ loved the church (church meaning, those that submit to God the Father).

Submitting to someone is a beautiful thing, but people take that word "submit" nowadays and see it as an oppresive, slavery ideal. That's totally not what it is at all.

[xychr0]

Exactly. It's not that the husband is in charge of the household, really, because God is in charge. And wherever there are two people, there must be a leader - thankfully, that's been arranged. But the difference between a misogynist marriage and a Christian one is that the husband is accountable to God.

[CreedChrist]

Yes God i head of us all. However God did give man a higher authority than woman. A Genesis says "Your desire will be for your husband, and he will rule over you" Genesis 3:16. God does give a special authority to man that is only for him. He intended him, but natural law to be head of the wife and Christ was head of the Church. And the Church obviously does not have authority over Christ. feminism is harmful to the family unit because it perverts the roles between man and woman.

[AtlantoLemurian]

@CreedChrist

In your 2nd comment here, you quote Genesis 3:16 as a justification for limiting the status of women in society. There are literally a thousand interperatations of the bible, and if you want to interperet Genesis 3:16 as meaning women are the cause of all evil and sin, go right ahead, just don't force your brand of beliefs on all of society.

[AtlantoLemurian]

@CreedChrist

America, by its very nature, is an egalitarian society (meaning full equality between the two genders). If you want to live in a country where egalitarian relationships between men and women are non-existent, then move to Iran or Saudi Arabia. A guarentee you, you'll be much happier there.

[AtlantoLemurian]

@CreedChrist

You say that feminism is destroying the western world. What makes you think the western world was any better back when only men were in charge? war, rape, murder and robbery was commonplace unlike today, and som was famine, plague and pestelince. Plus life expectancy for most people was only 30. Anyone who challenged the ruling class (mostly men, of course), were tortured and/or executed under the most horrific circumstances. This was ALL during a time when only men ran society.

[AtlantoLemurian]

@CreedChrist

I bet you think the middle ages were a much better time simply because men, and only men were in control of society back then, inspite of the fact that the middle ages were a far less civilized time than today.

[AtlantoLemurian]

@CreedChrist

Looking back at history, men really did do a good job at running society, inspite of the fact that warfare, religious persecution, social inequality, famine, plaque and pestilence were commonplace back then. That was until feminists messed everything up.

PS: If you can't tell i'm being sarcastic, then you're dumber than I thought. Seriously, read a history book, and you'll see how well men ran society inspite of all the wars, religious persecutions, etc.

[AtlantoLemurian]

@CreedChrist

I bet if I ever injected you with truth syrum, you'd honestly admit that you think women are gateways for the devil, and because Eve sinned first, the only way for women to be saved is though childbearing. I bet you'd also admit you think that whether a woman dies in childbirth or grows exhausted from the process matters not, for that's what all they're here for.

[NUTCASE71733]

@AtlantoLemurian

The story of adam and eve is a myth. No evidence to support the idea it actually happened.

[AtlantoLemurian]

@CreedChrist

You think that women are the cause of all evil and sin in the world. Hate to shine the light of truth on you, but men have caused far more evil and sin than women ever have or ever will. Anyway, this will be my last post here. You label call everything i've said here as"feminst, left-wing propaganda" all you want, but nothing changes the fact that this isn't "feminist, left-wing propaganda," but the cold hard truth: men have fucked up the world far more then women have or will.

[kansanchief]

WOW, hey REPUBLICANS, if HILLARY is the DEM, we better not send HUCK up against her! THE AMERICAN WOMEN will FRY HUCK UP and toss him to the SIDE!

WOW, talk bout ammo for Hillary, ALL SHE HAS TO DO TO GET EVERY WOMANS VOTE under the age of 80, is REMIND them what HUCK SAID! * to BE SUBSERVIANT ** wow,, BOW WOMEN BOW! say no to HUCKS

[encinomanbrewery]

Never trust a "Southern" Baptist. I have worked with several over the years and they are holier than thou and they have no religious tollerance for any other denomination. They typically show hatred for Catholics and other christian denominations. They think they are the only ones going to heaven. heeeeheee...

[CPAsheldon]

I am not a Baptist and I know several of the Southern variety and do not find that are like you say at all.

[citizenBNW]

Phyllis Schlafly, president of the national Eagle Forum, is even more blunt. "He [Huckabee] destroyed the conservative movement in Arkansas, and left the Republican Party a shambles," she says. "Yet some of the same evangelicals who sold us on George W. Bush as a 'compassionate conservative' are now trying to sell us on Mike Huckabee."

[thjadewolf]

You have got to be kidding me people are defending Huckabee. This is the man who says that illegal immigrants are stealing jobs from aborted American fetuses! Regardless of how you feel about MSNBC (I also think it's doody), Huckabee is a sexist and a racist, and should not even be seriously considered for president.

[jakelassiter]

Wow...MSNBC is a complete joke.

The funny thing about that "statement" he signed is that it also says the same thing about husbands submitting mutually and loving their wives...gee, how horrible! *obvious sarcasm*

MSNBC is irrelevant.

[cafekevin]

Olbermann is a moron. Huckabee is a man of integrity and honor. Boy... is this the worst you can find on Huckabee? I mean... must be a slow news day... or, is the writers strike hurting? only a few of the reasons this is an idiotic video!

[deliriou5freak]

It does seem like we're going to get another "scary" Huckabee moment every day until the primaries. I really hope Mitt runs out of stuff; it is getting old.

[giosig]

No. Tokyo kieth is a scumbag

[giosig]

Nothing to say. Another spew of puke from Tokyo keith olbershit

[tehsilentcircus]

How ignorant are you?

[FisherOfMen06]

How ignorant...I'm talking about this guy, not Mike.

[deliriou5freak]

Hahahahahahahahaha I'm Keith Olbermann I am completely ignorant of anything having to do with religion as soon as it's mentioned I automatically assume Christians want the same thing as the Taliban because I'm just so darn morally SUPERIOR than they are that I know I'm right!!! WHEEEE!!!!

[Hopeful71]

WHEEEEE, I'm Delirious5 and I use sarcasm and personal attacks when I can't argue with facts I don't like.

[deliriou5freak]

What facts? That Huckabee said something believed by just about anyone who holds to a traditional view of the Bible? "Servant leadership" means that the man must put his needs last and be all about making his wife happy. Sounds very controversial!

[Hopeful71]

You need to speak to your fellow Baptist. Back when this released I witnessed several of them saying the servant leadership line was most clearly about being a servant unto god as a leader to his family. Not one mention about the wife's happiness.

There was something about (paraphrasing) he must love her as christ loved the church. The argument being therefore he would do no wrong to her BUT it still puts the woman in a submissive position. That is the part you can't get around.

[deliriou5freak]

Well, I'm not a Baptist. And I don't want to get around anything, so far as I can tell. But it's ok, we won't come to agreement about this.

[Hopeful71]

Agreed. We are like the American public; some agree, some don't. Since Huckabee is a politician this will get played out at the ballot box.

Sorry for the Baptist assumption, my mistake.

[deliriou5freak]

It's ok, no prob. I guess so.

[deliriou5freak]

From wikipedia:

"Unlike leadership approaches with a top-down hierarchical style, Servant Leadership instead emphasizes collaboration, trust, empathy, and the ethical use of power."

Ah scary! We have to keep that crap out of our marriages! It might get in the way of our selfish lives!

[buckwilliee]

What are you... stupid?

"A wife is to submit herself graciously to the servant leadership of her husband."

is not the same as "wives are to be servants". It says the Husbands are to be servants, moron.

Slap yourself upside the head, repeatedly.

[Hopeful71]

The full statement is pretty clear. Women are to submit to the husband's authority. It parses that statment by saying they are equal, but still makes it very clear the woman must submit. Can't have it both ways.

Punch yourself in the family jewels for trying to imply misunderstanding when there clearly was none.

[deliriou5freak]

They are held in equal esteem under this idea; they will have different roles. Men have to take responsibility for themselves and their families here. In my opinion, we could use more, not less of that.

[Hopeful71]

Then let his words stand. You have your opinion, other will have theirs. You and Huckabee can stand by your convinctions and plenty will rally around you. Others see this seperation and putting the male in the authoritative role as sexist.

Can't please all the people ANYtime.

[juhsepi]

So if your such an expert on translating things, then what does the Bible say the Husbands role is???

5:25 Husbands, go all out in your love for your wives, exactly as Christ did for the church - a love marked by GIVING, not getting.

5:26 Christ's love makes the church whole. His words evoke her beauty. Everything he does and says is designed to bring the BEST OUT OF HER

Does that sound like a way a master should treat there servant.

[juhsepi]

The full statement is pretty clear. You stopped at Wives submit to your husbands authority. Keep reading look at the instruction given to men in that same chapter.

[theattendance]

That's just funny! Huckabee should not be president!