@TheMomentumGaming I was not meaning to insult whatsoever. I just have not heard of you until this exactly moment. Anyways, what are the games? Any videos? Downloads? Etc...?
@TheDosterr lol no shit, you have to program to be a programmer. Obviously i dont just sit and learn without testing my skills with creating 3d games in opengl. i have coded about 2 1/2 full games where i put a LOT of time into. if that doesn't cut it then what does?
Both solutions sux. it's not bug, it's just wrong by design.
i would get rid of anyone in my team who solves problems with, lets say, payment system by moving payments through other channels (because flying is cool) or hack something with payment data (because he is confident in design) to fix problem. what if truck with flat tires crash in tunnel and get 100 people killed?
Solution is - use 2 trucks that fit in tunnel or build new road, preferably without bloody tunnels.
When the truck goes off the next turn because there was no way to reinflate the tires out there, the cleverness no longer appears so clever.
I'd say programmers are people who copy and paste code, and who don't use a computer when they get home. Coders code as much, if not more so, at home as they do at work. If your companies product isn't software, you can get by with programmers and occasionally bring in coders to rework everything when the duct tape and bubblegum snaps and falls off.
A coder solves the problem of getting the truck across. A programmer has the knowledge to actually build a tunnel that works with all trucks and trucks that work with available tunnels regardless of specification. Period. So, if truck was built by people with the right knowledge, there wouldnt even be a problem in the first place.
This is stupid, I make java games as a hobby because I want to go to college for computer science, not because I wan't to be a "Coder" or "Programmer".
what a poor commercial trick. shame on you. "You are coder, unless You pay us and learn programming" - bullshit! The target audience - teen wankers :)
Truck gets through tunnel but, due to low air in tires, gets shitty gas mileage. Uses up fuel much faster than expected, gets stranded on side of freeway with no cell phone signal. Has to hitch a ride to nearest pay phone but person who picks him up turns out to be a serial killer. Driver never heard from again. Good job programmers.
@Blackouti386 Back when the programmer was letting air out of the tires someone passed by and, using their knowledge of trucks and the distance to the next stop off calculated that the truck would run out of fuel long before it got to it's destination.
They then follow the trucker and, when the trucker runs out of gas and leaves the truck, they open the back and take whatever they want.
Programmers think their shit don't stink, hackers teach them otherwise.
It's not pure bullshit, there are differences between the two, the lines can get a bit blurry when looking at higher level languages, but low level languages there is a clear difference.
Maybe Software Engineer and programmer are the same thing, coder and developer are also the same, have you ever heard of Web programmer? No? Good, because there such no thing, Web is for coders and developers.
coders are 9-19 year old boys who live with their mothers, masturbate, play video games all day and think they know it all because they've watch a few c++ tutorials on youtube and use Ubuntu as an OS.
@jacf1020 Well Im 14 and have a good interest in programming. It sure is good to start at young age. Also I dont use ubuntu I use windows dual booted with os x. And i know nearly everything about c#
@jacf1020 I am 14 and I'm learning C++, and I know I will not learn all of C++ anytime soon. I might become elderly before I learn it all. And youtube is not a valid source of learning programming. I prefer Windows over Ubuntu. (The only reason to use Ubuntu is to make programs cross platform.)
@OSDolphin I'm 25 and I'm a Software engineer. I sometimes wished I would've started at your age but 98 percent of the people i started with wanted to become software engineers because they love games. They all thought they knew it all because they started at 5 and as time went on we studied UML, data structures, discrete math, calculus etc! we wrote tons of manuals and documents with seq, class diagrams and the like and guess what? after months they were dropping like flies.
@OSDolphin I don't know what you are planning to study or if you are at all, but if you are try study the what and not the how of things, get some problem solving skills, study tons of math and physics ( it structures your thinking and it will boost your logic), go out with friends an socialize, learn how to sell stuff, workout, Don't learn how to code because that changes everyday, you'll have to unlearn a lot of things and you don't get to pick what to program at work.
@jacf1020 what about the 9-19 year old boys who have read a numebr of programmig books in order from beginner to advanced, such as c++ without fear,Practical C++ Programming, Programming Pearls, Effective C++ : 55 Specific Ways to Improve Your Programs and Designs More Effective C++: 35 New Ways to Improve Your Programs and Designs,C++ the programming, written by the creator of c++ himself. THEN read 2 books on opengl and one on direct x.....im 14 and i did all of these things.
@TheMomentumGaming would you take your parents to a doctor that only read books to become one? life doesn't work that way! school is need it even if many don't want to believe it.
@jacf1020 wait..all that happens in school is that a guy teaches you the same thing a book could.I have done more projects than i probably ever would have done in school. so if oyur talking about experience, theres oyur answer
@jacf1020 I'd take my parents to a doctor whose successfully done a plethora of operations though vs. one with a degree straight out of school. At the end of the day its all about what you've done. Who would you want on your team? Steve Wozniak who didn't complete school until he didn't need it, or random degree dude. At the end of the day its all relative.
@moonsoonmenu lol I'd like to see your market research, it sounds like you're a 20 something year old jealous of the younger generation. lol Is there a Mark Zuckerberg poster on a wall at home that you throw darts at?
@moonsoonmenu you don't know what you're talking about. Steve did complete school and I can tell from your comment that either you quit or have never been inside a university.
@jacf1020 You've got baseless statements. Watch an interview or read a book get it straight. Learn how he dropped out and created Apple, later he went back to complete his degree, he also became a teacher. "When I went back to finish my degree, Apple was already well known" foundersatwork(dot) com/steve-wozniak
also: "Woz returned to Berkeley to finish his senior undergraduate year" another site. I love programming, now go back and re-read my last comment.
@TheMomentumGaming you clearly do not have an idea of what an university or a work environment is like! keep thinking that the little snippets you code from a book or the tutorials you find on youtube are "projects!" lmao! you have no idea!!! the funny thing is that only people who don't have what it takes to get an actual degree are the ones who talk shit the most!
@jacf1020 lol what?!! first off i dont watch tutorials on youtube unless its a particular thing im having problems with. And snippets of code from books? im done with books man all i do is create 3d games, they are not little projects, ive been working on one game for about 6 months on my own,im sure when i go to college i will have a huge head start on all the others who think like you and say you cant self teach yourself. And ami talking shit?! no im not,you talked shit about in in your...
@jacf1020 continued......first comment you posted. The point im trying to make is that maybe i dont have experience in a work office or anything like that, but i am very knowledgeable in the subjects i do study such as game dev in opengl(currently learning direct 3d). The projects i find in books have nothing to do with the 3d games i create. and why do you assume im talking shit?! you made a very general statement about a large group of people. And some like me do not fit the description.
@TheMomentumGaming Impressive, just make sure you keep your momentum and follow your dream, as you get older people take it harder on you and hold less regard towards what you want pushing their standards on you. Some think they hold a justification towards this, others are simply afraid you'll succeed. PS at the end of the day its about what you've done not what you've seen.
@xlordtk I'm a Software engineer, getting an M.S. in Mechatronics. I didn't even know what a programming language was until I got some worthless Cisco and Comptia certifications in my late teens and then I went to college and started to design, develop, and maintain Software with actual diagrams, proper documentation and code!
The vid is great. It gets the point across very well and the animation is really nice. I'm not gonna get into the who terminology thing, I'll leave that to others, however, the English in the vid has plenty of grammar mistakes. I would correct them before using this as part of a marketing campaign.
Use used to program in c++. but then I realised it was stupid to continue with so little time considering how ambitious I am. I use java now. I write games. I still learn c++, but I don't make games with it.
@imperialcrypt Technically, the term 'coding' refers to nothing more then 'writing code'. Back in the days of the Elders of The Internet, though, very good programmers (the ones that made a computer do marvelous things with only limited RAM/CPU-power available) were often referred to as 'coders'; Partially because their source would be unintelligible to read for the 'uninitiated', partially because most of the 'code' was actually written in assemly a.k.a. 'machine code'.
Anyone who thinks the 2nd guy was smarter has never worked in the real world. As soon as you get the truck through that tunnel, your BA (or PM) will need the truck to pass though another tunnel 10 inches shorter than the 1st. Keep the helicopter pilot on speed dial.
eh? this vid is way off. is this like "drummer" verses "percussionist"? Maybe your title should be hacker (old skool, not "cracker") verses code grunt (or script kiddie), but the visual example is stupid too. The hacker ("programmer") would simply drive around the tunnel barrier
Man I think that Mr. Coder should become the all time ruler of the world. I mean he had the skills to dial a phone, funds to fund it and courage to overcome any challenge in life.... he's the man.... LOL sdf. :) greatest thinker is he, simple is engineering... lol j/k lmfao.....
Man I think that Mr. Coder should become the all time ruler of the world. I mean he had the skills to dial a phone, funds to fund it and courage to overcome any challenge in life.... he's the man.... LOL sdf. :) greatest thinker is he, simple is engineering... lol j/k lmfao.....
While a software engineer designs, develops, tests, and evaluates of the software and systems.
And a computer scientist invents algorithmic processes that create, describe, and transform information and formulate suitable abstractions to model complex systems.
That what's I know from my major, computer science... :)
There are explanations about this things on Wikipedia also.
AFAIK a programmer writes computer softwares specifically using programming languages.
A scripter writes scripts using scripting languages.
Programming languages are compiled while scripting languages are interpreted though this difference is blurred in today's languages such as Java. So maybe both a programmer and a scripter can be called coders.
@drawmaster77 That is not actually true im not trying to troll arround but well, a software engineer is equal to a programmer while a coder is equal to a scripter !
@darkdevil905 as a person with a bachelors in computer science, working on his masters, I tend to disagree :)
Software engineer can work as programmer at times, but they design software architecture, and often manage programmers. SE does all the use cases, class diagrams, sequence diagrams, state charts.. you name it, to create a robust and extendable software in the end. SE also often does software analyst job (estimating development costs etc). Programmer just programs.
@drawmaster77 I still have only 14 years old i program in C++ and i started with structured BASIC but more known as QBASIC or QuickBasic with 11 years old now im on C++ since my 12 years old im still learning Windows API C++ programming with some Microsoft press books for Visual C++ and yes off course your right but well as a starter into GUI i still need a board to make some algorithms for complex GUI designs !
@drawmaster77 i don't think you get it. engineer and programmer are essentially the same thing, as they're both designers of intelligent solutions. coders are just taught to write programs with just one objective: they work.
the difference between software engineer (i.e. programmer) and coder is similar to the one between architect and construction worker.
@darkdjordje the coder is more of a slang word for programmer. Its somebody who "codes". Using your comparison, SE is like architect, coder/programmer is like a construction worker. The word "engineer" undermines somebody with a an engineering degree. You can't just code a "hello world" program and call yourself an engineer, but you are a programmer/coder of that application. Essentially programmer/coder means something you do, whereas a Software Engineer means your qualification level.
@stayalive1017 no, the fact that someone would rely on a predefined and precompiled set of routines, data structures, and functions/methods would make them a coder.
@frosty1433 um I dont know how familiar you are with programming, but everybody is using precompiled libraries, SDKs, and so on. Nobody in their sane mind writes complex program from scratch.
@drawmaster77 coders and programmers handle precompiled libraries extremely differently. when I hear the term "coding language" I assume a high level programming language, where there's a underlying engine that handles the majority of structure, memory management, and the lanaguage is on a level where you don't have to explicitly include a library before you need it, and optimized for fast compile. coding languages can compare to an extendable program with it's own flavor of language for the SDK
@drawmaster77 > Nobody in their sane mind writes complex program from scratch.
Actually, I'm thinking about just making a hobbyist os from scratch using asm. I think it would be fun to be able to have complete control over a device. I always figured it was all just about designing an infrastructure, adding libraries of your own, and basically creating your own way to utilize the libraries. the low and high levels of programming languages distinguish programming from coding.
@frosty1433 well then you are doing it mostly for fun/learning... or masochism :) If they coded Win7 from scratch they would finish it only by like 2020.. but by that time everybody would be using macs and nobody would buy it :)
@drawmaster77 it's not too hard to get an asm os going far enough for a bare-bone C program to take control like this: q8MXCUA-A2w
don't think that there's not people still writing in asm. it's actually a pretty demanding industries for technologies other than personal devices and servers. Mac OS X probably wouldn't run on a fighter jet cpu, or on emergency components, and things like satellites too. there's always new microprocessors needing instructions written
What?! A coder know one language thoroughly and programmer know's more than language and acts as an architect. A programmer can do a coder's job, but a coder can't do a programmer's job.
Wish the point were a bit more obvious here. What, coders use brute-force techniques which, while not very pretty, get the job done? While programmers are more like architects who create elegant, well-crafted designs -- and yet still manage to, on occasion, f@*k up??
correct me if I'm wrong but I'm pretty sure coding is the same as programming... so therefore a coder is no different from a programmer, but otherwise smart video.
@smikesmike05 Coders are like smart assembly line workers as opposed to programmers who are plant engineers. Programmers are the brains, the glorious visionaries who create things. Large software programmers that often run into billions of lines are designed and developed by a handful of programmers. Coders follow instructions of the large program.
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moonsoonmenu 2 days ago
a plague on both their houses
jxhensley 4 days ago
@TheMomentumGaming I was not meaning to insult whatsoever. I just have not heard of you until this exactly moment. Anyways, what are the games? Any videos? Downloads? Etc...?
TheDosterr 6 days ago
@TheDosterr There are no gmaes or videos. It was just a fun thing we built.
therorlearning 6 days ago
@therorlearning But TheMomentummGaming clearly said he has two and a half games finished... lol
TheDosterr 6 days ago
@TheMomentumGaming Just because you have read books does not make you a programmer. Just thought I should point that out.
TheDosterr 1 week ago
@TheDosterr lol no shit, you have to program to be a programmer. Obviously i dont just sit and learn without testing my skills with creating 3d games in opengl. i have coded about 2 1/2 full games where i put a LOT of time into. if that doesn't cut it then what does?
TheMomentumGaming 6 days ago
Both solutions sux. it's not bug, it's just wrong by design.
i would get rid of anyone in my team who solves problems with, lets say, payment system by moving payments through other channels (because flying is cool) or hack something with payment data (because he is confident in design) to fix problem. what if truck with flat tires crash in tunnel and get 100 people killed?
Solution is - use 2 trucks that fit in tunnel or build new road, preferably without bloody tunnels.
moofymoo 1 week ago
hacker: drive around the fucking tunnel
fagbro 1 week ago
This is weird, I'm almost certain programmers and coders are the same thing. This should be titled, bureaucrat vs engineer.
EmperorOfMars 1 week ago 6
When the truck goes off the next turn because there was no way to reinflate the tires out there, the cleverness no longer appears so clever.
I'd say programmers are people who copy and paste code, and who don't use a computer when they get home. Coders code as much, if not more so, at home as they do at work. If your companies product isn't software, you can get by with programmers and occasionally bring in coders to rework everything when the duct tape and bubblegum snaps and falls off.
otakucode 2 weeks ago
What a load of horse shit.
Shame on you ror.
TrevRoller 2 weeks ago
A coder solves the problem of getting the truck across. A programmer has the knowledge to actually build a tunnel that works with all trucks and trucks that work with available tunnels regardless of specification. Period. So, if truck was built by people with the right knowledge, there wouldnt even be a problem in the first place.
TheSilentwarrior99 1 month ago
This is stupid, I make java games as a hobby because I want to go to college for computer science, not because I wan't to be a "Coder" or "Programmer".
MrPablo4123 1 month ago
what a poor commercial trick. shame on you. "You are coder, unless You pay us and learn programming" - bullshit! The target audience - teen wankers :)
m3roving 2 months ago
sorry for pointing out but "software" and "code" are uncountable nouns.
maymeewi 2 months ago
I am engineer, I take proud of being an assembler coder!!!
Bet no programmer can match my code size and speed, using all those objected oriented overhead.
marlls1989 2 months ago
softwares?
bcqwert 2 months ago
And if the tunnel had 5miles?
DaniloAugust0 2 months ago
Truck gets through tunnel but, due to low air in tires, gets shitty gas mileage. Uses up fuel much faster than expected, gets stranded on side of freeway with no cell phone signal. Has to hitch a ride to nearest pay phone but person who picks him up turns out to be a serial killer. Driver never heard from again. Good job programmers.
Blackouti386 2 months ago 3
@Blackouti386 Back when the programmer was letting air out of the tires someone passed by and, using their knowledge of trucks and the distance to the next stop off calculated that the truck would run out of fuel long before it got to it's destination.
They then follow the trucker and, when the trucker runs out of gas and leaves the truck, they open the back and take whatever they want.
Programmers think their shit don't stink, hackers teach them otherwise.
Blackouti386 2 months ago 3
It's not pure bullshit, there are differences between the two, the lines can get a bit blurry when looking at higher level languages, but low level languages there is a clear difference.
CaptainThrill 2 months ago
And this is talking about Ruby on Rails :D hahaha the scripting language? Retarded.
RyeinGoddard 2 months ago
this video is PURE bullshit, you know that, right?
kalandozo2 2 months ago
@kalandozo2
Of course it is. Coders and programmers are practically synonyms.
Ygdrasel 2 months ago
from scratch would mean the hardware as well
Up4Idea 2 months ago
What I got form this short clip is - that the programmer solves the problem at hand, not thinking of what may come next.
What if theres another tunnel ahead?
How far to the destination?
Will the truck move slower with deflated tires?
How much time will it take to reinflate the tires?
The brute force will get the truck straight to the destination, which in this case may be the better solution.
In my view coder=programmer=engineer=problem solver, the rest is experience.
slickmk 3 months ago
Maybe Software Engineer and programmer are the same thing, coder and developer are also the same, have you ever heard of Web programmer? No? Good, because there such no thing, Web is for coders and developers.
rei61085 3 months ago
Anyone who uses the word "softwares" should not try to communicate in English, let alone nitpick about the differences between these two words.
w3bt3k 3 months ago 2
Programmers tackle the simple problems. Never out of their league.
heloizyjhenifer 3 months ago
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rich coder and smart programmer :D
ArcShotTR 3 months ago
Nice work and true story.
alejoamiras 3 months ago
coders are 9-19 year old boys who live with their mothers, masturbate, play video games all day and think they know it all because they've watch a few c++ tutorials on youtube and use Ubuntu as an OS.
jacf1020 3 months ago 26
@jacf1020 Well Im 14 and have a good interest in programming. It sure is good to start at young age. Also I dont use ubuntu I use windows dual booted with os x. And i know nearly everything about c#
TheTurntaker 3 months ago
@jacf1020 You're pretty much insulting every start-up programmer.
Soap360 3 months ago
@jacf1020 I am 14 and I'm learning C++, and I know I will not learn all of C++ anytime soon. I might become elderly before I learn it all. And youtube is not a valid source of learning programming. I prefer Windows over Ubuntu. (The only reason to use Ubuntu is to make programs cross platform.)
OSDolphin 1 month ago
@OSDolphin I'm 25 and I'm a Software engineer. I sometimes wished I would've started at your age but 98 percent of the people i started with wanted to become software engineers because they love games. They all thought they knew it all because they started at 5 and as time went on we studied UML, data structures, discrete math, calculus etc! we wrote tons of manuals and documents with seq, class diagrams and the like and guess what? after months they were dropping like flies.
jacf1020 1 month ago
@jacf1020 I'll be sure to take my time and make sure I don't jump into something I have no clue about until I am ready.
OSDolphin 1 month ago
@OSDolphin I don't know what you are planning to study or if you are at all, but if you are try study the what and not the how of things, get some problem solving skills, study tons of math and physics ( it structures your thinking and it will boost your logic), go out with friends an socialize, learn how to sell stuff, workout, Don't learn how to code because that changes everyday, you'll have to unlearn a lot of things and you don't get to pick what to program at work.
jacf1020 1 month ago
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moonsoonmenu 2 days ago
@jacf1020 applaud yourself for you passed those old moments, I assume.
qdo9x 3 weeks ago
@jacf1020 what about the 9-19 year old boys who have read a numebr of programmig books in order from beginner to advanced, such as c++ without fear,Practical C++ Programming, Programming Pearls, Effective C++ : 55 Specific Ways to Improve Your Programs and Designs More Effective C++: 35 New Ways to Improve Your Programs and Designs,C++ the programming, written by the creator of c++ himself. THEN read 2 books on opengl and one on direct x.....im 14 and i did all of these things.
TheMomentumGaming 1 week ago
@TheMomentumGaming would you take your parents to a doctor that only read books to become one? life doesn't work that way! school is need it even if many don't want to believe it.
jacf1020 1 week ago
@jacf1020 wait..all that happens in school is that a guy teaches you the same thing a book could.I have done more projects than i probably ever would have done in school. so if oyur talking about experience, theres oyur answer
TheMomentumGaming 6 days ago
@jacf1020 I'd take my parents to a doctor whose successfully done a plethora of operations though vs. one with a degree straight out of school. At the end of the day its all about what you've done. Who would you want on your team? Steve Wozniak who didn't complete school until he didn't need it, or random degree dude. At the end of the day its all relative.
moonsoonmenu 2 days ago
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@moonsoonmenu lol I'd like to see your market research, it sounds like you're a 20 something year old jealous of the younger generation. lol Is there a Mark Zuckerberg poster on a wall at home that you throw darts at?
moonsoonmenu 2 days ago
@moonsoonmenu you don't know what you're talking about. Steve did complete school and I can tell from your comment that either you quit or have never been inside a university.
jacf1020 2 days ago
@jacf1020 You've got baseless statements. Watch an interview or read a book get it straight. Learn how he dropped out and created Apple, later he went back to complete his degree, he also became a teacher. "When I went back to finish my degree, Apple was already well known" foundersatwork(dot) com/steve-wozniak
also: "Woz returned to Berkeley to finish his senior undergraduate year" another site. I love programming, now go back and re-read my last comment.
moonsoonmenu 1 day ago
@TheMomentumGaming you clearly do not have an idea of what an university or a work environment is like! keep thinking that the little snippets you code from a book or the tutorials you find on youtube are "projects!" lmao! you have no idea!!! the funny thing is that only people who don't have what it takes to get an actual degree are the ones who talk shit the most!
jacf1020 6 days ago
@jacf1020 lol what?!! first off i dont watch tutorials on youtube unless its a particular thing im having problems with. And snippets of code from books? im done with books man all i do is create 3d games, they are not little projects, ive been working on one game for about 6 months on my own,im sure when i go to college i will have a huge head start on all the others who think like you and say you cant self teach yourself. And ami talking shit?! no im not,you talked shit about in in your...
TheMomentumGaming 6 days ago
@jacf1020 continued......first comment you posted. The point im trying to make is that maybe i dont have experience in a work office or anything like that, but i am very knowledgeable in the subjects i do study such as game dev in opengl(currently learning direct 3d). The projects i find in books have nothing to do with the 3d games i create. and why do you assume im talking shit?! you made a very general statement about a large group of people. And some like me do not fit the description.
TheMomentumGaming 6 days ago
@TheMomentumGaming Impressive, just make sure you keep your momentum and follow your dream, as you get older people take it harder on you and hold less regard towards what you want pushing their standards on you. Some think they hold a justification towards this, others are simply afraid you'll succeed. PS at the end of the day its about what you've done not what you've seen.
moonsoonmenu 2 days ago
@jacf1020 that's me
ninjaturtledude999 6 days ago
@jacf1020 so let me get this straight! you started as a coder and ended as a programmer??? crash burn!!!
xlordtk 4 days ago
@xlordtk I'm a Software engineer, getting an M.S. in Mechatronics. I didn't even know what a programming language was until I got some worthless Cisco and Comptia certifications in my late teens and then I went to college and started to design, develop, and maintain Software with actual diagrams, proper documentation and code!
jacf1020 2 days ago
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moonsoonmenu 2 days ago
The vid is great. It gets the point across very well and the animation is really nice. I'm not gonna get into the who terminology thing, I'll leave that to others, however, the English in the vid has plenty of grammar mistakes. I would correct them before using this as part of a marketing campaign.
MatanArie 3 months ago
Real programmer - after feel focus - track still can't pass throw tunnel. It's real life ;-)
Vladislav1975 3 months ago
ahhahaha
OSPOINT 3 months ago
31 guys are coders :/
varcMB 3 months ago
I'm simply a code monkey. Someone else designs the program, I write it.
d4m4s74 3 months ago
Use used to program in c++. but then I realised it was stupid to continue with so little time considering how ambitious I am. I use java now. I write games. I still learn c++, but I don't make games with it.
tmantonym 3 months ago
But the coder above got more in expenses so they laugh all the way to the banl singing Ld a, 29; RET
Films4You 3 months ago
Almost all good coders are very decent programmers, if needed. Not all good programmers make decent coders, however...
PurePragma 4 months ago
So... Windows is made by coders?
00Raizer 4 months ago
@00Raizer Windows made by coders? Python and Java not scripting languages? You, sir, are prejudiced and got everything WRONG. No offense.
BizziSMP 4 months ago
@BizziSMP I am definitely right. Don't mess up javascript and Java, damn it.
00Raizer 4 months ago
@BizziSMP FYI, Java is a freaking object-oriented language. Where the heck did you find scripting?
00Raizer 4 months ago
@00Raizer Java is basically a Rube Goldberg machine. OOP doesn't prevent it from being a "script-kiddie" language.
BizziSMP 4 months ago
coder = scripting langs like PHP, python, java
programmer = x86_64 assembly, C/C++
imperialcrypt 4 months ago
@imperialcrypt python and java are not scripting langs... duh
00Raizer 4 months ago
@00Raizer
I mean interpreted languages not talking directly to the hardware. :p
imperialcrypt 4 months ago
@imperialcrypt Technically, the term 'coding' refers to nothing more then 'writing code'. Back in the days of the Elders of The Internet, though, very good programmers (the ones that made a computer do marvelous things with only limited RAM/CPU-power available) were often referred to as 'coders'; Partially because their source would be unintelligible to read for the 'uninitiated', partially because most of the 'code' was actually written in assemly a.k.a. 'machine code'.
PurePragma 4 months ago
Anyone who thinks the 2nd guy was smarter has never worked in the real world. As soon as you get the truck through that tunnel, your BA (or PM) will need the truck to pass though another tunnel 10 inches shorter than the 1st. Keep the helicopter pilot on speed dial.
legacymate 4 months ago 26
@legacymate That's the problem. Real world = superficial impatient bitches.
BizziSMP 4 months ago
@legacymate well, this is how ruby on rails "programmers" solve problems. Fix it now and damn the consequences....
gfimadcat 1 week ago
Software not Softwares!
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Jasticles 4 months ago 3
I think the best solution is to expand the tunnel
zaitonstudio 4 months ago
@zaitonstudio That would be more expensive and time consuming than either the programmer or the coder's solution.
eeg10 4 months ago
so what is coder ?
zaitonstudio 4 months ago
eh? this vid is way off. is this like "drummer" verses "percussionist"? Maybe your title should be hacker (old skool, not "cracker") verses code grunt (or script kiddie), but the visual example is stupid too. The hacker ("programmer") would simply drive around the tunnel barrier
sinewalker 4 months ago 2
The title is way off. There isn't really a difference between a coder and a programmer (or coder and software engineer).
There is such a thing as "good programmer" and "bad programmer" though.
ancalagonyt 4 months ago
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Man I think that Mr. Coder should become the all time ruler of the world. I mean he had the skills to dial a phone, funds to fund it and courage to overcome any challenge in life.... he's the man.... LOL sdf. :) greatest thinker is he, simple is engineering... lol j/k lmfao.....
maxomtrance 4 months ago
Man I think that Mr. Coder should become the all time ruler of the world. I mean he had the skills to dial a phone, funds to fund it and courage to overcome any challenge in life.... he's the man.... LOL sdf. :) greatest thinker is he, simple is engineering... lol j/k lmfao.....
maxomtrance 4 months ago
"Softwares are built"? You haven't managed to learn to spell and you want to teach something much more complicated to others? Laughable.
sf200425997 4 months ago
If users like it and it doesn't break, it's good software.
If it doesn't take long to accomplish the above, you're an efficient programmer.
If others can read your code and make modifications, you may be too efficient for your own good. Work on your obfuscation skills.
pburto 5 months ago
I'm the guy with the explosives.
Blackouti386 5 months ago
Err i like the coder :P
MinecraftLikerKake 5 months ago
I Like this video
mahrizal85 5 months ago
While a software engineer designs, develops, tests, and evaluates of the software and systems.
And a computer scientist invents algorithmic processes that create, describe, and transform information and formulate suitable abstractions to model complex systems.
That what's I know from my major, computer science... :)
There are explanations about this things on Wikipedia also.
FukutenshiYoufan 5 months ago
@FukutenshiYoufan Great :D
moonsoonmenu 2 days ago
AFAIK a programmer writes computer softwares specifically using programming languages.
A scripter writes scripts using scripting languages.
Programming languages are compiled while scripting languages are interpreted though this difference is blurred in today's languages such as Java. So maybe both a programmer and a scripter can be called coders.
FukutenshiYoufan 5 months ago
You should read so that you know what's the different between them IMHO.
FukutenshiYoufan 5 months ago
Yeah, agree. This video should be titled Software Engineer vs Programmer.
Coder is AFAIK the same thing with Programmer.
FukutenshiYoufan 5 months ago
hab immer gedacht coder und progger is das selbe xD
coderofcfw 6 months ago
that was cool
almam00n 6 months ago
lol cool...
btw whats the difference between software engineer and programmer?
electricblooded 6 months ago
useless video...
predatortheme 7 months ago 3
this video should be title software engineer vs programmer. As essentially programmer and coder are the same thing.
drawmaster77 7 months ago 144
@drawmaster77 That is not actually true im not trying to troll arround but well, a software engineer is equal to a programmer while a coder is equal to a scripter !
darkdevil905 6 months ago
@darkdevil905 as a person with a bachelors in computer science, working on his masters, I tend to disagree :)
Software engineer can work as programmer at times, but they design software architecture, and often manage programmers. SE does all the use cases, class diagrams, sequence diagrams, state charts.. you name it, to create a robust and extendable software in the end. SE also often does software analyst job (estimating development costs etc). Programmer just programs.
drawmaster77 6 months ago
@drawmaster77 I still have only 14 years old i program in C++ and i started with structured BASIC but more known as QBASIC or QuickBasic with 11 years old now im on C++ since my 12 years old im still learning Windows API C++ programming with some Microsoft press books for Visual C++ and yes off course your right but well as a starter into GUI i still need a board to make some algorithms for complex GUI designs !
darkdevil905 5 months ago
@drawmaster77 i don't think you get it. engineer and programmer are essentially the same thing, as they're both designers of intelligent solutions. coders are just taught to write programs with just one objective: they work.
the difference between software engineer (i.e. programmer) and coder is similar to the one between architect and construction worker.
darkdjordje 5 months ago
@darkdjordje the coder is more of a slang word for programmer. Its somebody who "codes". Using your comparison, SE is like architect, coder/programmer is like a construction worker. The word "engineer" undermines somebody with a an engineering degree. You can't just code a "hello world" program and call yourself an engineer, but you are a programmer/coder of that application. Essentially programmer/coder means something you do, whereas a Software Engineer means your qualification level.
drawmaster77 5 months ago
@drawmaster77 i can agree with that. just not with an engineer being the one flying the truck over the tunnel XD
darkdjordje 5 months ago
@drawmaster77 couldnt have put it any other way
maximusndb1 3 months ago
@drawmaster77 I totally agree :)
Dragonion2010 2 months ago
coders make applications utilizing programs made by programmers.
frosty1433 9 months ago 40
@frosty1433 so what you mean is that just the fact that i use Eclipse or Xcode makes me a coder ?
stayalive1017 4 months ago
@stayalive1017 no, the fact that someone would rely on a predefined and precompiled set of routines, data structures, and functions/methods would make them a coder.
frosty1433 4 months ago
@frosty1433 um I dont know how familiar you are with programming, but everybody is using precompiled libraries, SDKs, and so on. Nobody in their sane mind writes complex program from scratch.
drawmaster77 2 months ago
@drawmaster77 coders and programmers handle precompiled libraries extremely differently. when I hear the term "coding language" I assume a high level programming language, where there's a underlying engine that handles the majority of structure, memory management, and the lanaguage is on a level where you don't have to explicitly include a library before you need it, and optimized for fast compile. coding languages can compare to an extendable program with it's own flavor of language for the SDK
frosty1433 2 months ago
@drawmaster77 > Nobody in their sane mind writes complex program from scratch.
Actually, I'm thinking about just making a hobbyist os from scratch using asm. I think it would be fun to be able to have complete control over a device. I always figured it was all just about designing an infrastructure, adding libraries of your own, and basically creating your own way to utilize the libraries. the low and high levels of programming languages distinguish programming from coding.
frosty1433 2 months ago
@frosty1433 well then you are doing it mostly for fun/learning... or masochism :) If they coded Win7 from scratch they would finish it only by like 2020.. but by that time everybody would be using macs and nobody would buy it :)
drawmaster77 2 months ago
@drawmaster77 it's not too hard to get an asm os going far enough for a bare-bone C program to take control like this: q8MXCUA-A2w
don't think that there's not people still writing in asm. it's actually a pretty demanding industries for technologies other than personal devices and servers. Mac OS X probably wouldn't run on a fighter jet cpu, or on emergency components, and things like satellites too. there's always new microprocessors needing instructions written
frosty1433 2 months ago
True
kimosabesun 9 months ago
do
programmer != coder
while(coder <common sense)
na10101 10 months ago
What?! A coder know one language thoroughly and programmer know's more than language and acts as an architect. A programmer can do a coder's job, but a coder can't do a programmer's job.
Scorp969 10 months ago
This is a video trying to teach you semantics, and it uses the conjugation, "Softwares are". :-|
JessyUV 10 months ago 2
Wish the point were a bit more obvious here. What, coders use brute-force techniques which, while not very pretty, get the job done? While programmers are more like architects who create elegant, well-crafted designs -- and yet still manage to, on occasion, f@*k up??
TroyOi 10 months ago
coder == programmer
diabol 11 months ago
correct me if I'm wrong but I'm pretty sure coding is the same as programming... so therefore a coder is no different from a programmer, but otherwise smart video.
smikesmike05 1 year ago 2
@smikesmike05 Coders are like smart assembly line workers as opposed to programmers who are plant engineers. Programmers are the brains, the glorious visionaries who create things. Large software programmers that often run into billions of lines are designed and developed by a handful of programmers. Coders follow instructions of the large program.
ZulfadlyAshBurn 1 year ago
Very nice video.
JackCaffiene 1 year ago 17
@JackCaffiene Thanks.
therorlearning 1 year ago
Amazing video.
rajaparekh 1 year ago