Getting Even Smaller With 32nm

[pioneerz450]

turn on or off. in that way they represent 1 or 0  the two key parts of a computer

[enzo12ify1]

what does a transistor do?

[F22PilotArcile]

What is yesterday's tomorrow?

[acefilms2008]

its interesting how they got to 32nm but dropped out on Quad... thats way to many transistors....

[virusce07]

two years from today that's about now

[Jehanlos]

no two years is in like 10 days...wow, i cant wait! imma go preorder a 32nm westmere right now!

oh wait.....

[meishongzai]

why don't use 32nm in the core i7 chip?

[falseaddress010]

why don't we have have floating cars?

[godalan]

Floating on what? hehe the question is valid tho

[antec12gtx260]

they want to bring the 32nm out with a new name so more people buy it

[j7x54]

bet they have a 16nm but just not showing it

[antec12gtx260]

no they've only got the 32nm over two years after the 45nm

[ActiveStorage]

bet they have bio or quantum processors but just not showing them )

[gravediggmn]

if they had a working 32nm product back in 07 why not have the nehalems on 32nm instead of 45nm

[moniker127]

Because they had the 45nms in 05 or so. Its a constant process. They release products every 2 years.

[dasheriff001]

probably isn't ready yet, I suspect they will make a 32nm version of the i7.

[godalan]

hopefully... Yes

[antec12gtx260]

they are to expencive to make when they first get them working they need to find a way to make it cheaper first

[BurtWilson1]

Who remembers the size of a half a megabyte upgrade for the Amiga 500? lol.

[cgfarkus]

now show us what the government uses

[dunkelblau2006]

Hmm.. 32 nm is mind-blowing enough, More respect for these engineers please.

[111olbap]

The fact is, new technologies HAVE been found, and continue to be found, to exploit silicon based computing down to the very last atom until quantum physics makes further shrinking of transistors impossible regardless of the materials used.

[111olbap]

The fact is, new technologies HAVE been found, and continue to be found, to exploit silicon based computing down to the very last atom until quantum physics makes further shrinking of transistors impossible regardless of the materials used. For more info look up MICHIO KAKU on artificial intelligence, Intel HI-K gate technology, Electron leakage, Hafnium technology

[trailkeeper]

maby with this tech. we can see a 1G ram in each new computer

[channdizzle]

most computers today come with 1G of ram now

[111olbap]

Ya exactly. I think brainiac trailkeeper over here mistakes the ability to create a small semiconductor with the overal market price of semiconductors themselves.

It is, at this moment, much cheaper to print ram at a much larger size than 32, 45, or even 65nm in terms of cost effectiveness, and yes 1G ram is fairly standard today. RAM, is, infact, so cheap, that you could build a budget PC for under 600 dollars and very easily incorporate 4GB of Ram into it if you wanted to.

[trailkeeper]

That was one month ago .. things happen so fast I guess its at 2G now. If new methods of reducing the size of memory chips are not found, they will be forced to increase the size of the packaging to at least a small degree if larger amounts of memory are to be incorporated within each memory module.

[111olbap]

Thats exactly what I said.

You are still incorrect on a couple of fronts though I think you're getting it overall.

Firstly, (volatile, ie, RAM) memory chips, as that's what you're talking about, HAVE shrunken, and dramatically so, over the past several years. If you look at google images of FP RAM through EDO RAM through SD RAM and the various generations of DDR RAM thereafter, you will notice that the size of the individual chips themselves

[111olbap]

has shrunken dramatically, while their inherent capacity has increased. A 4MB Chip (a chip on a RAM stick not the stick itself) of EDO RAM is much larger than a 128MB chip of DDR2 RAM.

The same shrinking size/increasing capacity observations can be made of non-volatile memory, as seen in iPODS etc (look how tiny they can make an SD card now)

[trailkeeper]

I guess once they reach the point where they cannot go further with the shrinking process, weather nano or other, the chips will hold many many G of bytes. If more memory is needed they can only increase the physical size of the packaging somewhat at that point, but perhaps only by the area as of a grain of salt. Another funny thing is is that computer screens can only shrink so much to be viewable, we wouln't want to use a microscope to see what we are watching.

[hitman7112]

Guess what im from the future(2009) and we now produce 2-3 gig rams on every new computer.

[trailkeeper]

This "growth" method of industry is often controlled to keep the people at the computer jobs in business. I remember 320 or so bits per second baud rate modems when they had the technology back then to make 56K modems. Even 2 or 3 gigs, as you know, will be small, perhaps 10 gigs will be sufficient for most home users. I even heard of talk of eliminating disks altogether, I guess your right though there will be more in the future, but to keep people employed in the computer industry process.

[trailkeeper]

Even if they get to the point they cant make them any smaller with silicon transistors/memory, they will simply make the chips larger, or even stacking layers of transistors.

[hitman7112]

Yes the same is with cars and all other industries they make their products just a little bit better every time so we will keep purchasing.

[trailkeeper]

Thats growth for the better I guess, new products, new and better, cheaper, etc. I guess its the finer points of capitalism, and supply and demand. I really can't blame them for their methods to stay employed, the horse goes before the cart.