Is Jesus YHWH? Dr. Anthony Buzzard (AbrahamicMovement) answers Dr. James White (DrOakley1689)

[LouieG7777]

I am watching your videos with great enthusiasm. I have always believed the son to be in the Father as he himself states but I have always doubted (since childhood) that he (the son) is YHVH. I know that Yeshua is the name above ALL names meaning that Yeshua holds the most powerful characteristic of all the other names of YHVH; by that I mean that Yeshua encompasses salvation, provision, peace, healing, power, etc., etc. I am pursuing truth and you are a very helpful source. Thank you.

[TheTruthPastor]

The trinity's a mystery. Mystery of iniquity, with NO scripturel support.YHVH understands the trinity very well, he knows that it's man made. It boggles me how disregarded the history of these matters are by those who embrace it's delusion. COMMON SENSE!!! If a meeting is needed to determine placement or deity, and it's determined the Son is second, yet fully God, he must not have been God, until they made him God #2.I can't believe people accept, that which they know is a lie.

[epidome]

Then what do we say of Philippians (2:5-8)? It says that Jesus is God! Our common language? Are Hebrew, Greek and English the same languages? Is Elohim a singular with a plural suffix? Elohim being the third word in Genesis (1:1) in the Hebrew canon also being the word of deity the same as God in English being the word of deity? Hmmm

[AbrahamicMovement]

@epidome please visit our site for answers.

[epidome]

1x1x1=1

[TheSayfullah114]

Trinity is fake.. that is why he loses debates with muslim =)

[HeroOfChristArchives]

@Announcementfjws

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"(10) Give ear, O daughter, and see; incline your ear, and forget your own people, and your father's house. (11) Then the king will desire your beauty; because he is your lord, bow yourself down to him. (12) And the daughter of Tyre has a present; the rich among the people appease your face." (Psalm 45:6-12)

Reading verses 6-7 in context, it's painstakingly obvious that Psalm 45 is NOT a Messianic psalm. Vss. 6-7 were misapplied by the author of 'to the Hebrews'.

[HeroOfChristArchives]

@Announcementfjws

Consider the context:

"(6) Your throne, God, is forever and ever. A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of your kingdom. (7) You have loved righteousness, and hated wickedness. So, God, your God, has anointed you with oil of joy above your companions. (8) Myrrh, aloes and cassia are on all your garments. Out of ivory palaces, stringed instruments have made you glad. (9) Daughters of kings are among your precious; a queen has stood at your right hand in pure gold of Ophir.

[HeroOfChristArchives]

@Announcementfjws

Therefore, both internal and external considerations seem to indicate 'To the Hebrews' as being anything but an authentic letter of Paul.

Now, even if one were to concede Pauline authorship of 'To the Hebrews', they must consider the misapplication of the Scriptural passages cited. At Hebrews 1:8-9, Psalm 45:6-7 is cited verbatim as pertaining "to the Son." However, when one reads these Scriptural passages in context, the misapplication becomes readily apparent.

[HeroOfChristArchives]

@Announcementfjws

Again, Eusebius records, this time the words of Origen, who wrote, "That the character of the diction of the epistle entitled 'To the Hebrews' has not the apostle's rudeness in speech, who confessed himself rude in speech (cf. 2 Corinthians 11:6), that is, in style, but that the epistle is better Greek in the framing of its diction, will be admitted by everyone who is able to discern differences of style." (Ecclesiastical History 6.25.11)

[HeroOfChristArchives]

@Announcementfjws

The Muratorian Canon numbers the Pauline epistles as being 13. The 4th century Christian historiographer Eusebius recorded, "Some have rejected the epistle 'To the Hebrews', saying that it is disputed by the Church of Rome on the grounds that it was not written by Paul." (Ecclesiastical History 3.3.6) This rejection is substantiated in that the introduction of the authentic letters of Paul reads, "Paul, an apostle..." or the like, never omitting the name(s) of its author(s).

[HeroOfChristArchives]

@Announcementfjws

'To the Hebrews' is an anonymous writing. Proposals for its authorship have included Paul, Luke, Barnabas, Clement of Rome, Apollos, Phillip and Priscilla. That so many proposals have been made suggests that insufficient evidence exists for determining its authorship. Pinpointing its authorship was so unattainable that 3rd c. writer Origen conceded, "God only knows." Notably, many ancient sources pass over 'to the Hebrews' in silence, including the Muratorian Canon (ca. 180).

[HeroOfChristArchives]

@Announcementfjws said: "(Hebrews 1:10-12) is some spurious text, added later"

All extant manuscripts of 'to the Hebrews' contain the text in question. Additionally, many early Church Fathers allude to it, applying it to Jesus without reservation.

[thelambsservant777]

Very good presentation, I enjoyed it extensively!

[judahsdaughter]

I'm not a Trinitarian, but I believe Yeshua is YHWH. Let me ask you one question. When you die, your breath (spirit) leaves you, right? Is your breath not in you now? There will be a split at the time you die. You are not two persons; you are spirit and flesh. YHWH is invisible Spirit and Yeshua is His visible image (I assume you know the Bible well enough to reference it).

[MuslimByChoice]

@judahsdaughter Yes your a Trinitarian ...if you believe Jesus is YHWH then that makes you a Trinitarian ...

[judahsdaughter]

@MuslimByChoice Trinitarians believe God is three persons. I don't. God is one person. So you didn't answer my question. If you have breath (spirit) and flesh that separate upon death, does that make you two persons, let alone three? I left the 'Trinitarian' doctrine, but that does not mean I have to turn to Islam for monotheism. If the Bible be true, we are saved by faith in/and the shed blood of God (Eph 2:8-9; Acts 20:28). There is life in the Book. Do read it.

[AbrahamicMovement]

@judahsdaughter book of Ezekiel says that "the SOUL who sins shall die". Think about that.

[judahsdaughter]

@AbrahamicMovement Okay ~ so Jesus didn't sin, did He? Let's get back to the point. When you talk on the phone, write in these comments, sing over the radio ~ can anyone see you? Are you speaking from your mind, writing from your heart, singing from your soul? Part of you is invisible. Part of you is visible. That's my point. I hope you understand it is the same with God. We are made in His own image [singular] (Gen 1:27).

[thone2008]

The Roman god IOVE (which is pronounced Yahweh) was introduced to Judea by King Herod, "Iove", was identified as the Father, and thus we get the Word "Jupiter" (Iove the Father), yet, Jesus was walking around Judea, preaching a god, which he named "Father", the only God in Judea that is titled Father is JOVE(Yahweh).

[addeen7777]

James White has a twisted reasoning because he can't think straight. He tries to sell his blasphemous ideas to ignorant fools. The truth is, there is Only One God, One Creator and the rest are God's creatures including Jesus. For Jesus himself acknowlegded this fact and taught men so. He said,"For your Lord, Our God is One Lord." So how is it that you are led astrayed ?

[yizzod1]

Triniterians did not add Gods so its not 1+1

Rather it would be 1x1x1 in all of eternity.

In the eyes of God husband and wife are one. Yet we see two people. There are millions of people in the united states yet we are one nation. Not millions of nation

[bibleanswerman1000]

you would have to be a fool to think jesus was jehovah.....context clearly shows this not to be the case ,but alas people read whites book think there an expert then comment on videos like this .....not relising when you steal some one argument ,you steal there weakness too ,is jesus jehovah ?? WHAT DOES THE WRITER OF ACTS 4.26,27 THINK ????

[MinisterQuietBuck]

There is only YHWH. YHWH is Father, Holy Spirit is YHWH's arm of strength. The Pillar of Fire, Burning Bush, Living Word is YHWH's right hand. This hand placed into flesh was the Messiah that walked among us.

Psalm 98:1 O sing unto YHWH a new song; for he hath done marvellous things: his right hand, and his holy arm, hath gotten him the victory.

[jcharri73]

1 John 5:7 in the kjv read it! Let the bible clear things up for you!

[AbrahamicMovement]

@jcharri73 we dont read spurrious texts. 

[AbrahamicMovement]

@jcharri73 we dont read spurrious texts.

[AbrahamicMovement]

@jcharri73 we dont read spurrious texts.

[HeroOfChristArchives]

@jcharri73

Consider the textual evidence against the Comma's authenticity:

• ALL Greek MSS, save for eight late (post-1300) medieval minuscules

• ALL Syriac MSS cataloged to date which contain the text of 1 John 5

• ALL Coptic, Ethiopic, Georgian, Arabic and Slavic MSS of 1 John 5

• ALL pre-1300 Byzantine Majority MSS, including ALL lectionaries

• Irenaeus, Tertullian, Hippolytus, Origen, Faustinus, Hilary, Lucifer, Athanasius, Basil, Ambrose, Didymus, Epiphanius, Chrysostom, Jerome, Augustine

[k0smon]

@jcharri73 ::: Why specify the KJV? Because of misleading wording? Other translations say 'in agreement' instead of 'one'. 1 John 5:7 was not part of the earliest manuscripts, but was added by later scribes.

[anissueofursincerity]

Did you notice this point about Michael Brown's argumentation in that debate?

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Brown SIMULTANIOUSLY argues:

The entirety of the Hebrew scriptures that the Jew went by sets forth the framework for the pre-existence\deity of Christ\triunity of God.

AND

The first century Jews rejected Jesus BECAUSE he claimed pre-existence\deity\triunity.

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Listening to these trinitarians is like witnesses an aci

[JTswansea]

oops typo sorry Psalm 102

[HeroOfChristArchives]

@JTswansea

Right. Anyhow, the passages refer to YHWH, the God of Israel. Your point?

[JTswansea]

@HeroOfChristArchives Its really simple.... Psalm 102 refers to YHWH and is quoted in Heb 1 and there the verse IS APPLIED TO CHRIST! The Isa 45 passage is quoted in Php 2 and is applied to CHRIST!!!! You see YHWH the ineffable name of God CAN refer to the Father or indeed the son and actually does. So to YHWH every knee shall bow etc!

nest test

who is the LORD of Joel 2v32 make your decision and read Rom 10v13 (in any translation other than the NWT) who does it refer to there??

[HeroOfChristArchives]

@JTswansea - The text of Psalm 102 was misapplied by the anonymous author of 'to the Hebrews'. Jesus is mortal, born of a woman, and died in agony.

[JTswansea]

who is the person referred to in Isa 45v23 and Psa 101v25-26

[HeroOfChristArchives]

@JTswansea

The speaker in Isaiah 45:23 is YHWH, the God of Israel.

Psalm 101:25-26? Psalm 101 contains only eight verses.

[1ADChristianity]

If the Trinitarian god is nothing but utter truth then I have to say that 'Yhvh' is confused about Themselves since They keep referring to Themselves as "I," "Me," and "My" and it appears everyone in the Old Testament is just as confused when they refer to Them as "You," "Your," and "His."

[HeroOfChristArchives]

@1ADChristianity

Oh, but haven't you heard? The doctrine of the trinity is NEW REVELATION!

("Revealed" circa 200-450 CE, centuries posthumous to Jesus, no less)

The god of Jesus was indubitably a coequal, coeternal, consubstantial triad!

Didn't you know? It's new revelation. Don't you dare question the trinitarians.

And don't you forget, believing in this doctrine is CRUCIAL for your salvation!

Of course, that's presented nowhere in Scripture. Still, the trinitarians said it.

It's gospel!

[HeroOfChristArchives]

YHWH, the God of Israel, is invariably and unambiguously presented in the Tanakh as being unipersonal, but never as being tripersonal. The trinitarian conceptualization of God was manufactured an astounding six centuries after the penning of the latest writings of the Tanakh, c. 400 BCE, and continued being developed for over two centuries following its conception until finally ratified at the Council of Chalcedon in 451. The doctrine and its precursors were utterly foreign to the Apostolic Age.

[Mencel89]

yea, Trinitarians do that constantly, changing the meaning of words to fit their particular need in the moment.

[k0smon]

"And the people will worship an imaginary figure of three parts, Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. And this will become their idol; and he will be accredited with love, anger, jealousy and favoritism, war and destruction." (Oahspe, book of Eskra, vs 31)

Oahspe teaches worship of the Creator only.

[viper2808]

@k0smon Jesus is the Creator though so therefore he is to be worshiped, even if he is not yah

[k0smon]

@viper2808 ::: How can he be the Creator when he himself was not created til ~1BC?

[viper2808]

@k0smon you need to read the scripture. Jesus is the creator of ALL THINGS. You know this.

[k0smon]

@viper2808 ::: I know just the opposite. Jesus was a composite person put together by Constantine for his brand of Christianity. "Jesus's" Father is the Creator of all things.

[viper2808]

@k0smon You don't know your history. If you remail willfully ignorant then you will surely be seperated from God for all eternity. You know the truth but yet you remain in rebellion.

[k0smon]

@viper2808 ::: I know the truth and am in rebellion against falsehood. I have reason to believe that your creed is incorrect.

[HeroOfChristArchives]

@k0smon - Rest assured, there is not a single biblical text that identifies Jesus as "the creator." User viper2808 is merely buffing to advance his apostasy.

[k0smon]

@HeroOfChristArchives ::: Thank you.