check out the answer of your questions in islamic theology in little time you'll be trying to save your atheist friends from eternal damnation. the basic least even if you call your self atheist if you believe in 1 God eternal with out any partner and thank and seek help from him alone no creation only to the creator then you have good chance of eternal life in heaven. God is separate from its creation, from everything exist in time and space. hope you guys find your final destination.
@saadabdulaziz "check out the answer of your questions in islamic theology in little time you'll be trying to save your atheist friends from eternal damnation."
It's one thing to read Islam theology and learn of the concepts regarding salvation and damnation. It is another thing to read it and have it demonstrated to truly exists (rather than just asserting it is like most religions do). The fact that Islam theology says such things do not demonstrate its accuracy.
@saadabdulaziz " the basic least even if you call your self atheist if you believe in 1 God eternal with out any partner and thank and seek help from him alone no creation only to the creator then you have good chance of eternal life in heaven."
Which God though? There are HUNDREDS of current ideas of gods and probably THOUSANDS that have been thought up and then died out in history. You're asking us to play the Divine Lottery—just pick and choose and hope for the best.
@saadabdulaziz Cont.) What you don't seem to realize though is that belief is not a voluntary action. Try as I might, I cannot force myself to belief in Zeus or Anubis more than I can force myself to believe in Allah or Yahweh.
You are also implying that god is dumb enough not to recognize that you're only "believing" to avoid punishment. Your proposition here is completely invalid.
@saadabdulaziz "God is separate from its creation, from everything exist in time and space. hope you guys find your final destination."
Can you demonstrate this to be accurate? You see—we're not just going to trust you at face value. You must show proof. The Koran (or any other religious scripture) will simply not suffice, since the very thing you are trying to prove is in the Koran (and I will simply just ask you "can you demonstrate the Koran to be accurate?").
@saadabdulaziz Cont.) Also, you may want to check your phrasing. If everything that exists is in time and space, and God is separate from what he created (time and space), then you just accidentally proven that God doesn't exist.
Final destination? You can hope and pray all you want, but really, it's unnecessary and a waste of your time. We see no difference from your religion to the religion of ancient cultures (Egyptians, Mayans, etc.) You give us no valid reason to start
@saadabdulaziz Cont.) believing. You are asking us to believe in a God that supposedly "willed" the universe into existence—that this being, without ANY materials to do so, created this universe from NOTHING. Can you explain the mechanics behind that? So far, it is no different than from an incantation spell.
@Scyntist dude you seem to me innocent, you just have to say God if you exist guide me or show me sign and you'll be off the hook that least you call him once. Mostly people remember calling God when they find them self in hopeless situation. so you got to call him with open heart that you are willing. God is just fair he going to judge every one according to the truth entered their brain in to their heart so like a child did not read a chapter how u expect to answer question from it.
@saadabdulaziz Call on Him? Even if I said that I have (when I used to believe) and also was unanswered, you will probably either say the following: 1) I wasn't a true believer 2) God works in mysterious ways. Both are very unconvincing and mere ad hoc hypothesis that do not truly address and give reason to the scenario. They only attempt to dismiss it with crap excuses and failure to give a justifiable answer.
Why can God not just appear Himself to me and let me know of His existence?
@saadabdulaziz Cont.) Obviously there are fallen angels (like Lucifer/Satan/the Devil) that know of His existence, yet they still rebel. Likewise--God can easily appear in front of me and I would still have my own free will whether or not to worship Him.
For every person you say had their "prayers answered," there are also many who haven't. People who had family members on their death beds and prayed for God to keep them alive, yet they went unanswered. Plenty of people who were suffering
@Scyntist Faith in God mean belief in the unseen power who created the universe, you me all die with in 80 years and once we die we'll enter the unseen world. we are slave of God we can't ask God why don't you help me? God decided who to make male or female, white or black, in east or west, short or tall, nice family or terrible family etc etc we born with out our will and die with out our will. i have passed the message now you take care believe what ever you like,i'm done here wish you truth
@saadabdulaziz Cont.) under the hands of others AND natural disasters--who prayed and prayed--yet they received no answer. You are cherry-picking--selecting instances where your "prayers are answered" and leaving out when they are not or giving them half-assed excuses like "God is mysterious."
How do YOU expect ME to believe if you cannot give me reasonable, logical, justifiable reasons to START believing? I'm not a hopeless individual who relies on pitiful faith. Faith is wishful thinking,
@Scyntist there is a reality exist beyond 5 senses, there is 2 dimension on this earth, the seen and the unseen. there is 2 intelligent life form on this earth, 2 intelligent being sharing same earth us and them who ruled earth before God made Adam. you call it alien we call it Jin. God is nothing like us or any thing in creation, only believers going to meet him in paradise even on judgement we only going to hear his voice.
@saadabdulaziz You say there is another dimension? Prove it. Where is your evidence? The Koran? Can you demonstrate the Koran is accurate in that statement?
You are begging the question--you are asserting things as true, but I will not take them as true unless you can prove it. You have a long way to (and possibly a lot to learn about logic) if you are to convince me of your extraordinary claims. You are currently preaching--and that is more suited for mass, sir. Not when you are trying to
@Scyntist brother dude i don't care to convince you any thing, i'm just passing the message , i already got my reward for talking about God with you and now i can't do any thing, i can only pray to God to have mercy on you and open your third eye mean your heart to understand contemplate the nature of world the cycle of life so that you see God with out 5 senses. think maturely absence of proof is not proof of absence. so you don't have proof and i don't have poof good enough for you. bye bye
@Scyntist we are his creation we should not forget our place, we don't like authority and to believe in invisible authority its quite hard to swallow that is why God ask us to pray 5 times a day then fasting in the month of ramadan and then paying charity to the poor so if a person claims that he/she believes in God than he/she have to prove it to God. pain is created so we understand pleasure, cold hot, day night, male female, we are all in loss , we all die . sorry we got no choice.
@saadabdulaziz You seem to also think that I am rebelling against God. Tell me: do you hate Anubis? What about Zeus? I am assuming you don't, and I also assume you aren't rebellious against them. Do you know why? It's because you don't believe in them, so why do you think I hate or am rebelling against God when I don't even believe in Him? Unless you can prove He exists, then you are doing nothing more but begging the question with invalid assertions.
@elibeth121 Try reading everything I wrote. If you can't tell what reason and logic are, then you should really educate yourself out of ignorance. That's what I did after being a Christian for 8 years. I decided to challenge my faith and it all fell apart. Faith in gods ignorance.
@Antiks72 So you fell from Grace, because you did not have much faith or any faith at all. I see now. I am the ignorant one, please, You had the evidence, for God reveals himselves when a Christian believes. But, your lack of faith blinded you. The missing in gredient is not evidence but obedience. Gods existence is evident in his creation.
@elibeth121 I didn't fall from anything; I looked at the evidence and found that what I believed in wasn't true. Face it: you don't have evidence, you don't have proof, you just have blind faith that what you believe is true, because your holy book says it true. You don't want to debate, and you're not a truth seeker. This is evidenced by you blindly asserting your beliefs over and over and over again.
@elibeth121@elibeth121 I didn't fall from anything; I looked at the evidence and found that what I believed in wasn't true. Face it: you don't have evidence, you don't have proof, you just have blind faith that what you believe is true, because your holy book says it true. You don't want to debate, and you're not a truth seeker. This is evidenced by you blindly asserting your beliefs over and over and over again.
Explain the woman who was told by God that tattoos is a sin and then a few days later her tattoo was no longer there...a woman who had all her mental faculties but had an illness called Cerebral Palsy went to Jesus & months later was completely cured of it....I could go on forever...I have helped heal people who could not walk, people were weeks away from a back operation cured. God is real but Atheists are Atheists want to believe the here & now a short life that was given to them, by SIN..SAD!
ONE MORE THING...man created firearms, bazookas, nuclear warheads etc but hey the Middle Eastern, Americans etc still used it to defend their wealth, greed & country by killing the thousands around the world to maintain their wealth...those very people (Russians) made them but WE STILL HAD A CHOICE and used the tax payers money to purchase and kill we had blood on our hands, so do WE BLAME GOD FOR THIS!???
@julichoi888 I don't believe in gods period, but if you ignore your children, and they get into trouble, then who is responsible? Would you let your child wander out in the street to get hit by a car, all the while watching them do it and witnessing the car accident?
FOR GOODNESS SAKE no offence a strong Theologist would have explained a lot of things instead they got someone on the radio who was not able to answer the antagonizing questioning as if the poor man was on trial. God uses blood because it represents life & it means being RENEWED...that is why he used blood & the power of this blood means that everyone does not have to suffer....in the meantime these guys are just undermining God's works & they are in reality have no power at all to override this
@julichoi888 If you can't take the heat, then get out of the kitchen. You still haven't answered why blood sacrifice is necessary at all. If your god is all powerful, then why would he have to construct this elaborate mechanism in order to cure this so-called sin problem? It wreaks of something that was made up by man.
@elibeth121 So the perfect god created satan and when that didn't work out, thought he would show this SOB who is better by creating a bunch of people and force them to love him or else. That just shows how god is a confused, narcissistic, childlike being with bad judgement.
@elibeth121 But according to the text, your god still knew ahead of time that all these bad things would happen, and went ahead and created it all anyway, including evil (Isaiah 45:7, KJV) - "I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things." Therefore, this god of yours is responsible if he really did exist. lol
According to the bibble, we are BORN sick and COMMANDED to be well, and then PUNISHED when we are unable to overcome this disease (sin) which was forced upon us.
actually thats true since sin is not real, and neither is your invisible best friend. Do us all a favor and have your delusions in the mental ward of a hospital k babe? And make me a fucking sandwich while your at it.
@aegisgfx If you think sin is not real that obviously you havent looked at yourself. Everyone sins, and if I needed to be in a mental ward for loving my Heavenly Father than that hospital would be full of Christians. All, 2.2 billion of them. Would rather much be there with them, then on earth with evil and atheists.
@aegisgfx If sin was not real then why would God says we have all fell short of the glory of God. I can tell you right now you love your sins, as most people do. Immorality hampers our ability to think correctly especially regarding spiritual and moral matters. The more people sin, the more his or mind is corrupted even to the point that the awareness of God is deadened. Jesus ask the crowd " Those who are without sin, cast the first stone. No one could because everyone sins.
@elibeth121 You probably think God gave us free will, but he must have known that we would sin because of that. Why would he, who is "loving," do that to us? He also created hell, supposedly, and decides for what reasons people are sent to hell.
Knowing that people would do things to end up in hell, he is ultimately responsible for all sin and torturing all people in hell. Is that a just god? Seems the opposite of loving, and not at all merciful.
@ridered300 God gave us free will because he did not want to create robots. He wants to give you, and me, the choice to follow Him. He does not want to force anyone to love Him.There is not one place anywhere in Scripture where God EVER forced any man to to anything against his will. Adam& Eve chose to disobey God( Free will) Noah CHOSE to obey God, & build the Arc. (Free Will) Jesus chose to be the final sacrafice (Free will). Hell was even created till sin. You have a choice.
@elibeth121 ("There is not one place anywhere in Scripture where God EVER forced any man to to anything against his will.")
Wrong. Exodus 9:12 - Pharaoh wanted to release the Hebrews but god "hardened Pharaoh's heart". Evidently big sky daddy wanted to show off and denying Pharaoh his "free will" was the only way he could think of to do it.
@elibeth121 "God gave us free will because he did not want to create robots. He wants to give you, and me, the choice to follow Him. He does not want to force anyone to love Him" Giving someone a choice at the barrel of a gun with a "I'm going to give you a choice, but if you don't make the right one, I'm going to shoot you" is not Free Will
@elibeth121 Yes, a person who lives by the credo 'Its your choice, but I will kill you if you make any other choice than this one' is definitely someone worthy of adoration and worship.
@ridered300 No he is not responsible for all sin and torturing people in hell, we decide. Jesus came to tell us that we wants us all to be in Paradise, and hell exists only for those who close their hearts to his love. We long for the joy of heaven,where God is. It is within our power to be with him in heaven,even now to be happy with him in this very moment. You choose where you are going, Gods desire is for us to be with him. He gives people many many chances to believe in him.
@elibeth121 But he did create hell and allow us to sin, knowing that we would end up being tortured for eternity, according to Christian belief. He could have chose not to do this, but he didn't, therefore he IS responsible for all sin and torture. If he wants us to be in "paradise" why didn't he just create us there? Why do we have to live and die before we can go there? It's STUPID! Maybe there is a creator of the universe, but it's nothing like your idea of god, I'm sure of that.
@ridered300 He did not create hell. He created the garden so we could live there with him withou dying., without sickness and to live without evil and sin. However, Eve ruined that for us and he had to cast satan out somewhere. God is not anything like my idea, he is much much better.
@elibeth121 Most Christians would say that he created hell, since he created everything. I do agree that, if he exists, god is much better than any Christian's idea.
@elibeth121 You: hell exists only for those who close their hearts to his love.Gods desire is for us to be with him. He gives people many many chances to believe in him. "And if there were a God, I think it very unlikely that He would have such an uneasy vanity as to be offended by those who doubt His existance
Why does it matter if we sin if god forgives your sins. Also what makes the Christian God right compared to the Muslim God or even the Sun God they had in ancient Egypt?
i am not a perfect person, but if a blood sacrifice is all this christian god can think of to "save" us from our "sins", then i have more of an imagination than him. i cannot have respect for such a being, even if he actually existed.
look mate thats not the way it is jesus does love us because he knows more then us and he no doubt knows what a terrible place hell would be,so he teaches us how to live and he took the blame for us and carried our sins away not non sensical crap but what about all the shit we do and dont know dude what about the time you didnt help you didnt hurt but you didnt help and someone was hurt due to your non actions or the consequenses of something you have said or done to another maybe you didnt know
I don't people bother to try to reason with this elibeth121 person ,it is pretty clear shehas been brain washed and has become completely delusional.she belives her 'god' healed her from her 4 strokes,but if god existed ,wouldn't that mean he was heone who gave her the strokes in the first place? and on 2nd note, she cannot realise all the errors her book of fiction.and she believes she knows the "truth" but has no evidence to base that so called truth on.
why do athiests hate the bible so much? it is a great piece of fiction and because of the bible we had great sci fantasy movies.(I loved Charlton Heston in the ten commandments!)
I thought Jesus was God? Stupid Christians they say Jesus was the 'Son of God' but also say he's 'God'. If he's God then how can he be the Son of God? Pathetic Christians always ILLOGICAL :)
Religion was made so long ago, when people simply didn't have the knowledge about the universe as we do today, i'm sure that would have been a frustrating feeling and made life unpurposeless for some so they created the books and started believing in them. But with today's knowledge we understand alot more, I find it quite shocking that some people really choose to stay back in time rather then move on and remove their blindfold and help us find out what really is behind all of this.
The caller should have just said, "I don't know." But if he did that, it would have caused him to start thinking rationally. And we know thats not what he wanted.
@elibeth121 hi there. I have been an atheist for about two months now. I have brain damage and severe disabilities and never understood why god would not heal me. It says many times in the bible that whatever we ask for in prayer we will be given, but this is not true. I have realised it was not my fault I wasn't healed, not my lack of faith, but the fact that there is no god there. Despite my disabilities I am now in university and doing great. Why do you accept the bible? Take care
@bagospannerz Well, it is nice to meet you and good for you. Like, you I also have many disabilities. I accept the bible through faith and grace. There are so many ways that God seeks contacts with us., in every moving experience of nature, in every apparent coincidence. In every challenge, and suffering, there is a hidden message to God to us. He speaks even more clearly to us when he turns to us in his Word, or in the voice of our conscience. I accept his will.
Great video! Lets stop talking about hell and the way to eternal salvation...LET BACK IT UP, just for a second here.....Why would god chose such a stupid business model? Such a terribly unethical injunction? Accept me as your savior or you have to go to hell.. Why? I get he is saying you have to, but why? Dont tell me what it does: "Oh it opened up the way to heaven." YEA, WHY?! ITS A HORRIBLE PROPOSITION. Deserving hell for using your critical thinking skills, or picking the wrong faith. THINK!
@elibeth121 I UNDERSTAND ITS MY CHOICE TO REJECT, whether its jesus, muhammad, or one of the other DOZENS of sin atoning saviors competing. The point Im making is that 1. You can't DENY someone whom you don't believe exists. The bible is clear that if you do you'll go to hell because apparently you deserve it. So thats a total logical fallacy. Eternal suffering is a senseless alternative to not accepting any savior. How bout just death? Why all the suffering?! Its overboard and unethical.
@Johnf85 To reject God is to put someone or something ahead of him. The unborn, infants and those that don't have the mental capacity to understand right from wrong don't possess the ability to consciously reject God. For most people there comes a time when they are able to discern right from wrong or good from evil. Even if we haven't been told about God, God communicates with our conscience and reveals his will. Suffering and death is a natural part of lie.
@elibeth121 And the bible told you this right? Thats called circular logic. A pedophile that rapes children so bad they cant have kids, can turn to jesus the day before he dies, and go to heaven for an eternity of paradise. Meanwhile, a good person who never hurt anyone, will burn in hell for eternity because they just don't think the story of jesus is plausible.Your god is unethical and immoral.You are clearly indoctrinated and brainwashed to the point where you can't think freely and clearly.
@Johnf85 I do not know who God will allow into heaven besides those who try to follow him. I do know this, you cannot hide from God, nor fake him out. He knows the person heart, and they cannot just repent and go to into heaven, it has to be sincere. If someone kills someone, and does repents out of fear. God will do what is just. I am not brainwashed in any way. Yes, I can think free and cleary just as much as you, however I know that the Bible is true and is God's infallible word.
@elibeth121 infallible god? The god that called for the death of rape victims for not screaming loud enough, for the death of disobedient children, for genocide, death for working on the sabbath, the earth is flat, etc. This is not an infallible text. You are arrogant for saying YOU KNOW. Just as much as the muslims are for thinking their book is the infallible word of god. You think they are wrong, they think you're wrong. Atheists think you're both wrong, and hell is disgusting. Shame on you.
@Johnf85 God did not condone rape, that was against who God is and was. The reason they killed the amorities were because they were evil, they were worshiping idols and God knew they would grow up to be evil. It is very much infallible. I do not care if atheists think I am wrong. I know God and I know his word.
@elibeth121 Exodus 21:20-21 god's infallible instructions on how to beat your slaves. God called for genocide, and he explains how to beat slaves, and calls for the death of those who work on the sabbath, etc. DEAL WITH IT. Your either willfully ignorant, or you refuse to address these points. Your bible is flawed and immoral. Go ahead and explain the slave beating instructions. The god of the old testament is the same god today, evil.
@Johnf85 Jesus never condoned slavery. The jews gave rules to the masters of how to treat treat their slaves. You are not to question Gods morality. He does everything for a reason, according to his will. What happens in the OT, is not how , we do things today, He is not evil he is gracious, merciful, kind and loving.
@elibeth121 Exodus 20 verse1 "God spoke all these words saying."Then your god goes on to say thou shalt not kill, adultery, graven images, he wants sacrifices on an alter but dont walk up the steps bc you'll expose your private parts lol.Gods really watching out for people isnt he? It would be awful to get goat blood on your balls while you expose them to everyone.Then, in Exodus 21:20-21 he says if you beat your slave and they don't in two days, you're in the clear. Stop ignoring all my points.
@Johnf85 I am not ignoring anything. He wants animal sacrafices, the best of what they owned. He did watch out for his people, he is a loving and caring God. He did give orders on how to treat slaves.
@elibeth121 The fact that he did not tell them to not have slaves is what makes your pretend god and his fairy tale book very immoral, along of course with the mass genocide, and the threat of pain and torture for not believing a 2000 year old book that is "True because it says it is true", and is only widely believed because it was forced on people in the dark ages.....Glad science and reason is now spreading, make the world a more peaceful place when they no longer hate in God's name...
@robtay1963 This is what God said about slavery in the bible times, to reduce slavery.If there is a poor man among your brothers in any of the towns of the land do not be hardhearted or tightfisted toward your poor brother. Rather be openhanded and freely lend him whatever he needs.There will always be poor people in the land. God's ways are not our ways. Christians have not been perfect but the world is certain a better place the last 2000 years, for Christ presence in Christians.
@elibeth121 Sounds more like now. Any person can go somewhere and see a homeless person. This Godly figure sure does point out the obvious, though he knows everything...
@elibeth121 well back in biblical times almost everyone could notice a homeless person. Ok what part of this dont you understand, Just because it is in a bible (supposively written by god), doesnt mean it's true! Every "godbook" says that it was written by a god, yet they all have no provable evidence. Everytime something good occurs, they thank THEIR god, still without proof. You have no proof. The default is not to believe it, just because many people claim "oh god did this..."
@ryan6627 Evidence of God through phenomenal or contingent world. Doctrine.•Motion First Cause •The fact that contingent beings exist, The graduated perfections ..The wonderful order of evidence or intelligent design,consent of mankind •and perception of beauty in the universe.Conscience.Universal content. Ontological argument.As known through faith, The God of revelation.transcendental principle or axiomh counsil.The knowability of God. immediate intuitiion.dialectical reasoning.
@elibeth121 You cant prove God or your fucking bible is true!! Does living in a fucking fish sound realistic to you??? You're a fucking moron and extremely close-minded.
@ryan6627 Nope, I am not close minded. God is logical to believe in. I have opened my heart and mind to receive God, You have closed your mind and your heart is hardened big difference.
@elibeth121 Aye we meet again elibeth121! When are you going to stop trolling the atheist experience videos? Are you functionally retarded? Are you mentally ill? Or are you just stupid? Go to church and listen to them. Go to a bar and start your preaching, you might convert someone if you weren't just a youtube troll. Go on the street corner and preach and see what sort of reaction you receive. All that skeptics are interested in is evidence. If you don't have it, go away please.
@elibeth121 Sure, you're right. But you are really mucking up the comments in all the videos. Why don't you just call into the show with your argument? That way everyone will here it and you don't have to post it over and over in all the comments section of this show's youtube vids. Your view is correct? Go and prove it on The Atheist Experience.
@elibeth121 Ok, so why don't you tell him that to his face like someone with guts would do? You are being a coward by insulting him behind his back. Call the show if you really feel that way.
@elibeth121 Oh yeah? Which episode have you and your family called in? I don't believe you, BTW. Did you make sure you called him a satanic idiot on there? If you want to insult someone do it to their face. Tell me the shows that your father, mother, sisters, and friends have called in on, all of them. I don't believe you because you have shown yourself to be a habitual liar, and hateful. You seem just like the type of person who would lie to save face....hmmm
@KaHabbful It wasnt an episode. I talked to them on the phone and they hung up on me, they argued a bit with my father until they were mad, mom said they were satanic and not helpful in any way, my sister they hung up on. We wrote them letters, and send messages to their website. We are not liar, I am not a liar. I do not lie for that is also a sin.
@KaHabbful If I saw him face to face I would tell the same thing I said to him on the phone as well as the messages I wrote to him. He also blocked me the atheist experience which is also on here. This was downloaded by mattmon2 but some of those are from the atheist experience which I am blocked from not that I care.Everything they spew out of their mouth is pig crap and lies
@elibeth121 Well, perhaps the reaction you received is indicative of your and your family's behavior. If you wish to be effective, perhaps this isn't the best medium to continue to use. Like I said, go to a street corner and preach, go to a bar, go to a university, go anywhere where you can actually come face to face with those you insult and see who you can convert. You won't be effective in any real debate unless you have real, tangible evidence no matter what you are debating.
@elibeth121 No, it's becuase you deny things that make sense, then you run back to a part of the bible and recite, then you say my god is true over and over again.
@ryan6627 No, it is because God reveals things to us, he has revealed himself to me, I have a personal relationship with God. When he reveals things to you, you know it is true. I do not deny anything, I can tell right from wrong.
@elibeth121 CLOSE MINDED!!! How has he revealed himself? You cant see,hear,touch, judge, test, or smell him. Again, How??? You have a relationship with your imaginary friend, but the africans dont? Your "god" is a bastard. You cant determine right from wrong if you believe zombies and people living in fish. Why are you not God? How can God's son (jesus aka God) die, but you cant explain how he was created?? The cross shouldnt please you at all if jesus (god) died on it. Idiot..
@ryan6627 He speaks to us by his Spirit and many varied ways. How God revealed himself to me, was simply asking him to. We learn to listen to, to discern the voice of God.In his goodness Jesus chose to reveal himself, and to make known his hidden purpose of his will, through revelation. The cross is the way to heaven, the way of forgiveness, and to salvation through Christ.
@elibeth121 1. Prove spirit. That involves communication, so again, how did he speak to your spirit? It has to be a voice, yet you cant hear "god". You contradicted yourself and god. The Africans asked him to, but the didnt see god. Your god made the entire universe, but cant help starving kids, but helps YOU?!?!? SON OF A BITCH!!!! If jesus died for ALL our sins, why should we worship the cross? Why do atheist face hell??? That cross is BULLSHIT. God cant forgive without sacrifice???
@ryan6627 He can speak to us through his word, he can speak to you through conscience, he can speak to you through a decision that is hard for you to make, (meaning you have a peace with the decision) he can speak to you through his voice, or through dreams. We do not worship the cross, we thank Jesus for suffering for us and dying so we can be forgiving.
@elibeth121 Speak through word: You cant hear him. Decision: Who cant make hard decisions, people do it alllthe time. WELL YOU"RE FUCKING DREAMING YOU IDIOT!!!!! AGAIN< WHY DOES YOUR GOD REQUIRE A BLOOD SACRIFICE TO FORGIVE US? YOU DONT WORSHIP THE CROSS< BUT THERES A FUCKING CROSS ON THE BIBLE?!?!?!?!?!??!?!? WHAT ABOUT THE AFRICANS GOD HASNT HELPED??? ANSWER THE QUESTIONS AND STOP DODGING!!!!
@ryan6627 Yes you can. you can hear Gods voice. Just because there is a cross in the bible does not mean we worship the cross, we worship Jesus who died on the cross. African gods? A blood sacrafice through Jesus or animals? The blood sacrifices in Old Testament time were to foreshadow and symbolize Christ's atonement, his sacrifice for us. Thus the first-born of the flock without blemish were sacrificed, as Christ (also a first-born and perfect) ultimately would be sacrificed.
@ryan6627 If the Africans were Chrisitan then God heard them and helped them. My parents were missionaries in Africa, so the word of God was certainly brought to part of Africa.African traditional religion is made up of four important elements: polytheism, anthropomorphism, ancestor worship, and animism.
@ryan6627 When I say he helps us through decisions the Christian knows that God is helping them when we get a peace about it. It is not our peace it is clearly Gods.
@elibeth121 ANSWER. MY.QUESTIONS.STOP.DODGING. Every religion says that!!! It is your peace!Who doesnt have a decision to make??? If you had peace then that means it wasnt a hard decision!!! Is that alll the """""""" evidence"""""""""""" of your god????
@ryan6627 No, the bible is evidence,God working in our lives to change our bad habits ,our answered prayers is evidence, spiritual experiences,and fulfilled prophecies. His miracles,There is also evidence of God in our own hearts.God’s presence in us Christians, we know God exists because we speak to Him every day. We do not audibly hear Him speaking to us, but we sense His presence, we feel His leading, we know His love, we desire His grace.
@elibeth121 You have yet to answer one of my questions. You dont realize that every religion says that about their "god". You lack the ability to think logically, and seek no evidence to believe anything. This will get you no-where in life. Goodbye.
@ryan6627 well said Ryan, unfortunately fucked-up Christians like Elibeth will never be able to think for themselves not will they ever embrace rational thinking because they are heavily brainwashed since childhood
@elibeth121 Ah yes, so all the muslims and jews and buddhists and hindus and satanists and all the other religions are true, because they're mostly made up of adults who are all able to know what the truth is. So I guess that hinduism AND islam is correct. Who'd have thunk it.
@ryan6627 Well since God reveals himself to you, you know you are on the right path,plus he never leads you to blind faith or off the wrong path. I everything I need from Jesus, I will be in heaven with him. Where will you be?
@elibeth121 If God shed his light on me, why would Anyone rebel it? He hasn't. It's all blind faith if you cant test him. So your god is going to send me to hell? Such a lovely god.
@ryan6627 You need to ask God to shed his light to reveal himself to you, but not for evidence but because you want to believe Granted, Christian faith starts with blind faith, but as we get older, there is an opportunity for this faith to blossom... a once blind faith can be a secure faith.
I can not tell you that God is sending you to hell, that is for him to decide. I think that once you see his beautiful, holy faith you will repent.
@elibeth121 Starts with blind faith= gullable and stupidity. Great, even greater stupidity. Secure stupidity and gullability. Your bible says he will send me to hell, which is very nice of dog, I mean god. Sorry, I dont believe in imaginary beings.
@elibeth121 Maybe if you actually read a Bible like I have, you would realize how stupid this statement is, and maybe if you read it through twice, you can free yourself from this stupidity like I have. READ A BIBLE BEFORE TALKING ABOUT WHAT IS IN THE BIBLE.
@elibeth121 quote: "Christians have not been perfect but the world is certain a better place the last 2000 years, for Christ presence in Christians."
Take off your rose coloured spectacles.
There was a time when christianity had almost total control over the lives of the population. During that time, people were slaughtered and tortured not just for not being christian, but for also for not believing in the "right version" of Christianity. It wasn't called the Dark ages for nothing.
@Darwinsman Billions of other Christians have found the Bible to be true. From 2,000 years ago till now. It has changed them, it has shown the wisdom and knowledge. It has guided their lives, and lead them to salvation. Then it is something certainly worth believing. The bible betters are lives that is a fact.
@elibeth121 1/2. Numbers of believers isn't proof. The only reason Christianity is what it is today, is solely due to the political ambitions of the Roman Emperor Constantine. If it hadn't been for him, It's likely Christianity would still just be a group of warring insignificant sects like it was before Constantine took it over.
As for salvation. That's just a myth to trap the gullible by promising them that they won't die. Sorry, but yes they will, just like all of us. Cont'd.
@Darwinsman I dit not say that the number was proof. I said that millions of people have found the bible to be true and it has really helped them. No, Jesus does not lie and I believe his promises. I never said we will not die, but our souls will go to heaven or hell.
@elibeth121 Jesus was talking to a crowd of people when he said that salvation would come before the last person in the crowd was dead (meaning that judgment day would come before the last person in the crowd had died).
and God never lies. He said that, because Jesus knew he was going to die before these people died. He was guaranteeing that Salvation would come to these people as soon as he died.
@elibeth121 You really do bury your head in the sand. That Joke is common in Africa. But you are right, we send them food, goats,chickens and care packages and we take their oil, minerals, exotic crops, gold, diamonds. etc.
Nobody is going to heaven, because it doesn't exist. A Soul isn't real. It's just something made up by the
the guys' voice is shaking in the end lol
KuhoinX 3 days ago
@KuhoinX i can imagine his head twitching with one of his eye lids spazzing XD
christian malfunction! :)
DemoraX 2 days ago
check out the answer of your questions in islamic theology in little time you'll be trying to save your atheist friends from eternal damnation. the basic least even if you call your self atheist if you believe in 1 God eternal with out any partner and thank and seek help from him alone no creation only to the creator then you have good chance of eternal life in heaven. God is separate from its creation, from everything exist in time and space. hope you guys find your final destination.
saadabdulaziz 4 days ago
@saadabdulaziz "check out the answer of your questions in islamic theology in little time you'll be trying to save your atheist friends from eternal damnation."
It's one thing to read Islam theology and learn of the concepts regarding salvation and damnation. It is another thing to read it and have it demonstrated to truly exists (rather than just asserting it is like most religions do). The fact that Islam theology says such things do not demonstrate its accuracy.
Scyntist 1 day ago
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@saadabdulaziz " the basic least even if you call your self atheist if you believe in 1 God eternal with out any partner and thank and seek help from him alone no creation only to the creator then you have good chance of eternal life in heaven."
Which God though? There are HUNDREDS of current ideas of gods and probably THOUSANDS that have been thought up and then died out in history. You're asking us to play the Divine Lottery—just pick and choose and hope for the best.
Scyntist 1 day ago
@saadabdulaziz Cont.) What you don't seem to realize though is that belief is not a voluntary action. Try as I might, I cannot force myself to belief in Zeus or Anubis more than I can force myself to believe in Allah or Yahweh.
You are also implying that god is dumb enough not to recognize that you're only "believing" to avoid punishment. Your proposition here is completely invalid.
Scyntist 1 day ago
@saadabdulaziz "God is separate from its creation, from everything exist in time and space. hope you guys find your final destination."
Can you demonstrate this to be accurate? You see—we're not just going to trust you at face value. You must show proof. The Koran (or any other religious scripture) will simply not suffice, since the very thing you are trying to prove is in the Koran (and I will simply just ask you "can you demonstrate the Koran to be accurate?").
Scyntist 1 day ago
@saadabdulaziz Cont.) Also, you may want to check your phrasing. If everything that exists is in time and space, and God is separate from what he created (time and space), then you just accidentally proven that God doesn't exist.
Final destination? You can hope and pray all you want, but really, it's unnecessary and a waste of your time. We see no difference from your religion to the religion of ancient cultures (Egyptians, Mayans, etc.) You give us no valid reason to start
Scyntist 1 day ago
@saadabdulaziz Cont.) believing. You are asking us to believe in a God that supposedly "willed" the universe into existence—that this being, without ANY materials to do so, created this universe from NOTHING. Can you explain the mechanics behind that? So far, it is no different than from an incantation spell.
Scyntist 1 day ago
@Scyntist dude you seem to me innocent, you just have to say God if you exist guide me or show me sign and you'll be off the hook that least you call him once. Mostly people remember calling God when they find them self in hopeless situation. so you got to call him with open heart that you are willing. God is just fair he going to judge every one according to the truth entered their brain in to their heart so like a child did not read a chapter how u expect to answer question from it.
saadabdulaziz 1 day ago
@saadabdulaziz Call on Him? Even if I said that I have (when I used to believe) and also was unanswered, you will probably either say the following: 1) I wasn't a true believer 2) God works in mysterious ways. Both are very unconvincing and mere ad hoc hypothesis that do not truly address and give reason to the scenario. They only attempt to dismiss it with crap excuses and failure to give a justifiable answer.
Why can God not just appear Himself to me and let me know of His existence?
Scyntist 1 day ago
@saadabdulaziz Cont.) Obviously there are fallen angels (like Lucifer/Satan/the Devil) that know of His existence, yet they still rebel. Likewise--God can easily appear in front of me and I would still have my own free will whether or not to worship Him.
For every person you say had their "prayers answered," there are also many who haven't. People who had family members on their death beds and prayed for God to keep them alive, yet they went unanswered. Plenty of people who were suffering
Scyntist 1 day ago
@Scyntist Faith in God mean belief in the unseen power who created the universe, you me all die with in 80 years and once we die we'll enter the unseen world. we are slave of God we can't ask God why don't you help me? God decided who to make male or female, white or black, in east or west, short or tall, nice family or terrible family etc etc we born with out our will and die with out our will. i have passed the message now you take care believe what ever you like,i'm done here wish you truth
saadabdulaziz 1 day ago
@saadabdulaziz Cont.) under the hands of others AND natural disasters--who prayed and prayed--yet they received no answer. You are cherry-picking--selecting instances where your "prayers are answered" and leaving out when they are not or giving them half-assed excuses like "God is mysterious."
How do YOU expect ME to believe if you cannot give me reasonable, logical, justifiable reasons to START believing? I'm not a hopeless individual who relies on pitiful faith. Faith is wishful thinking,
Scyntist 1 day ago
@saadabdulaziz Cont.) and having faith does not bend reality to your will.
Scyntist 1 day ago
@Scyntist there is a reality exist beyond 5 senses, there is 2 dimension on this earth, the seen and the unseen. there is 2 intelligent life form on this earth, 2 intelligent being sharing same earth us and them who ruled earth before God made Adam. you call it alien we call it Jin. God is nothing like us or any thing in creation, only believers going to meet him in paradise even on judgement we only going to hear his voice.
saadabdulaziz 1 day ago
@saadabdulaziz You say there is another dimension? Prove it. Where is your evidence? The Koran? Can you demonstrate the Koran is accurate in that statement?
You are begging the question--you are asserting things as true, but I will not take them as true unless you can prove it. You have a long way to (and possibly a lot to learn about logic) if you are to convince me of your extraordinary claims. You are currently preaching--and that is more suited for mass, sir. Not when you are trying to
Scyntist 1 day ago
@Scyntist brother dude i don't care to convince you any thing, i'm just passing the message , i already got my reward for talking about God with you and now i can't do any thing, i can only pray to God to have mercy on you and open your third eye mean your heart to understand contemplate the nature of world the cycle of life so that you see God with out 5 senses. think maturely absence of proof is not proof of absence. so you don't have proof and i don't have poof good enough for you. bye bye
saadabdulaziz 1 day ago
@saadabdulaziz Cont.) debate logically (if logically even does register in your mind).
Scyntist 1 day ago
@Scyntist we are his creation we should not forget our place, we don't like authority and to believe in invisible authority its quite hard to swallow that is why God ask us to pray 5 times a day then fasting in the month of ramadan and then paying charity to the poor so if a person claims that he/she believes in God than he/she have to prove it to God. pain is created so we understand pleasure, cold hot, day night, male female, we are all in loss , we all die . sorry we got no choice.
saadabdulaziz 1 day ago
@saadabdulaziz You seem to also think that I am rebelling against God. Tell me: do you hate Anubis? What about Zeus? I am assuming you don't, and I also assume you aren't rebellious against them. Do you know why? It's because you don't believe in them, so why do you think I hate or am rebelling against God when I don't even believe in Him? Unless you can prove He exists, then you are doing nothing more but begging the question with invalid assertions.
Scyntist 1 day ago
wow the are no coments in this, only @nswers x)
ryonafan 4 days ago
So God self harms?
AndyCielecki 1 week ago
Did he start crying at the end?
aloysisK 1 week ago
Caller is very respectful, although I think he's completely wrong I do like him...
MyFishIsTwonk 1 week ago
i want jesus to eat my soul, oh holy spirit of the light
Diosukekun 1 week ago
How does he not just scream "WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOUR BRAIN!?"
CorndogMaker 2 weeks ago
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LordAztahoth 2 weeks ago
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elibeth121 2 weeks ago
@elibeth121 Try reading everything I wrote. If you can't tell what reason and logic are, then you should really educate yourself out of ignorance. That's what I did after being a Christian for 8 years. I decided to challenge my faith and it all fell apart. Faith in gods ignorance.
Antiks72 2 weeks ago
@Antiks72 So you fell from Grace, because you did not have much faith or any faith at all. I see now. I am the ignorant one, please, You had the evidence, for God reveals himselves when a Christian believes. But, your lack of faith blinded you. The missing in gredient is not evidence but obedience. Gods existence is evident in his creation.
elibeth121 2 weeks ago
@elibeth121 I didn't fall from anything; I looked at the evidence and found that what I believed in wasn't true. Face it: you don't have evidence, you don't have proof, you just have blind faith that what you believe is true, because your holy book says it true. You don't want to debate, and you're not a truth seeker. This is evidenced by you blindly asserting your beliefs over and over and over again.
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elibeth121 2 weeks ago
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@elibeth121 @elibeth121 I didn't fall from anything; I looked at the evidence and found that what I believed in wasn't true. Face it: you don't have evidence, you don't have proof, you just have blind faith that what you believe is true, because your holy book says it true. You don't want to debate, and you're not a truth seeker. This is evidenced by you blindly asserting your beliefs over and over and over again.
Antiks72 2 weeks ago
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elibeth121 2 weeks ago
@elibeth121 No you didn't. Why are you lying, elibeth?
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Explain the woman who was told by God that tattoos is a sin and then a few days later her tattoo was no longer there...a woman who had all her mental faculties but had an illness called Cerebral Palsy went to Jesus & months later was completely cured of it....I could go on forever...I have helped heal people who could not walk, people were weeks away from a back operation cured. God is real but Atheists are Atheists want to believe the here & now a short life that was given to them, by SIN..SAD!
julichoi888 2 weeks ago
ONE MORE THING...man created firearms, bazookas, nuclear warheads etc but hey the Middle Eastern, Americans etc still used it to defend their wealth, greed & country by killing the thousands around the world to maintain their wealth...those very people (Russians) made them but WE STILL HAD A CHOICE and used the tax payers money to purchase and kill we had blood on our hands, so do WE BLAME GOD FOR THIS!???
julichoi888 2 weeks ago
@julichoi888 I don't believe in gods period, but if you ignore your children, and they get into trouble, then who is responsible? Would you let your child wander out in the street to get hit by a car, all the while watching them do it and witnessing the car accident?
Antiks72 2 weeks ago
FOR GOODNESS SAKE no offence a strong Theologist would have explained a lot of things instead they got someone on the radio who was not able to answer the antagonizing questioning as if the poor man was on trial. God uses blood because it represents life & it means being RENEWED...that is why he used blood & the power of this blood means that everyone does not have to suffer....in the meantime these guys are just undermining God's works & they are in reality have no power at all to override this
julichoi888 2 weeks ago
@julichoi888 Do you have evidence to back up that metaphor or are you saying it because it sounds nice?
DuggabbooDC 2 weeks ago
@julichoi888 If you can't take the heat, then get out of the kitchen. You still haven't answered why blood sacrifice is necessary at all. If your god is all powerful, then why would he have to construct this elaborate mechanism in order to cure this so-called sin problem? It wreaks of something that was made up by man.
Antiks72 2 weeks ago
@elibeth121 So the perfect god created satan and when that didn't work out, thought he would show this SOB who is better by creating a bunch of people and force them to love him or else. That just shows how god is a confused, narcissistic, childlike being with bad judgement.
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elibeth121 2 weeks ago
@elibeth121 But according to the text, your god still knew ahead of time that all these bad things would happen, and went ahead and created it all anyway, including evil (Isaiah 45:7, KJV) - "I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things." Therefore, this god of yours is responsible if he really did exist. lol
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elibeth121 2 weeks ago
@elibeth121 If your gawd created all things, then he created evil too. I reject your preaching.
Antiks72 2 weeks ago
This caller hasn't a clue in his head. Or maybe he does but doesn't want to admit it. Sad in either case.
Tommyr 3 weeks ago
According to the bibble, we are BORN sick and COMMANDED to be well, and then PUNISHED when we are unable to overcome this disease (sin) which was forced upon us.
aegisgfx 3 weeks ago
@aegisgfx Anyone can overcome sin.
elibeth121 3 weeks ago
@elibeth121
actually thats true since sin is not real, and neither is your invisible best friend. Do us all a favor and have your delusions in the mental ward of a hospital k babe? And make me a fucking sandwich while your at it.
aegisgfx 3 weeks ago
@aegisgfx If you think sin is not real that obviously you havent looked at yourself. Everyone sins, and if I needed to be in a mental ward for loving my Heavenly Father than that hospital would be full of Christians. All, 2.2 billion of them. Would rather much be there with them, then on earth with evil and atheists.
elibeth121 3 weeks ago
@elibeth121
um, I think the bible tells women to shut the fuck up, and I would add that I still don't have a sandwich.
aegisgfx 3 weeks ago
@aegisgfx If sin was not real then why would God says we have all fell short of the glory of God. I can tell you right now you love your sins, as most people do. Immorality hampers our ability to think correctly especially regarding spiritual and moral matters. The more people sin, the more his or mind is corrupted even to the point that the awareness of God is deadened. Jesus ask the crowd " Those who are without sin, cast the first stone. No one could because everyone sins.
elibeth121 3 weeks ago
@elibeth121 You probably think God gave us free will, but he must have known that we would sin because of that. Why would he, who is "loving," do that to us? He also created hell, supposedly, and decides for what reasons people are sent to hell.
Knowing that people would do things to end up in hell, he is ultimately responsible for all sin and torturing all people in hell. Is that a just god? Seems the opposite of loving, and not at all merciful.
ridered300 3 weeks ago
@ridered300 God gave us free will because he did not want to create robots. He wants to give you, and me, the choice to follow Him. He does not want to force anyone to love Him.There is not one place anywhere in Scripture where God EVER forced any man to to anything against his will. Adam& Eve chose to disobey God( Free will) Noah CHOSE to obey God, & build the Arc. (Free Will) Jesus chose to be the final sacrafice (Free will). Hell was even created till sin. You have a choice.
elibeth121 3 weeks ago
@elibeth121 ("There is not one place anywhere in Scripture where God EVER forced any man to to anything against his will.")
Wrong. Exodus 9:12 - Pharaoh wanted to release the Hebrews but god "hardened Pharaoh's heart". Evidently big sky daddy wanted to show off and denying Pharaoh his "free will" was the only way he could think of to do it.
torchss 3 weeks ago
@torchss Only so Moses would have a stronger faith.
elibeth121 3 weeks ago
@elibeth121 "God gave us free will because he did not want to create robots. He wants to give you, and me, the choice to follow Him. He does not want to force anyone to love Him" Giving someone a choice at the barrel of a gun with a "I'm going to give you a choice, but if you don't make the right one, I'm going to shoot you" is not Free Will
RaveriusMax 3 weeks ago
@RaveriusMax You still have a choice, and God cannot stop you from making that choice. I suggest trying to follow God.
elibeth121 3 weeks ago
@elibeth121 Yes, a person who lives by the credo 'Its your choice, but I will kill you if you make any other choice than this one' is definitely someone worthy of adoration and worship.
RaveriusMax 3 weeks ago
@ridered300 No he is not responsible for all sin and torturing people in hell, we decide. Jesus came to tell us that we wants us all to be in Paradise, and hell exists only for those who close their hearts to his love. We long for the joy of heaven,where God is. It is within our power to be with him in heaven,even now to be happy with him in this very moment. You choose where you are going, Gods desire is for us to be with him. He gives people many many chances to believe in him.
elibeth121 3 weeks ago
@elibeth121 But he did create hell and allow us to sin, knowing that we would end up being tortured for eternity, according to Christian belief. He could have chose not to do this, but he didn't, therefore he IS responsible for all sin and torture. If he wants us to be in "paradise" why didn't he just create us there? Why do we have to live and die before we can go there? It's STUPID! Maybe there is a creator of the universe, but it's nothing like your idea of god, I'm sure of that.
ridered300 3 weeks ago
@ridered300 He did not create hell. He created the garden so we could live there with him withou dying., without sickness and to live without evil and sin. However, Eve ruined that for us and he had to cast satan out somewhere. God is not anything like my idea, he is much much better.
elibeth121 3 weeks ago
@elibeth121 Most Christians would say that he created hell, since he created everything. I do agree that, if he exists, god is much better than any Christian's idea.
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@elibeth121 You: hell exists only for those who close their hearts to his love.Gods desire is for us to be with him. He gives people many many chances to believe in him. "And if there were a God, I think it very unlikely that He would have such an uneasy vanity as to be offended by those who doubt His existance
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elibeth121 3 weeks ago
Why does it matter if we sin if god forgives your sins. Also what makes the Christian God right compared to the Muslim God or even the Sun God they had in ancient Egypt?
garethchelsea 3 weeks ago
BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD!
werebee 3 weeks ago
It seemed like logic and reason made the guy cry. Reality is scary, aint it.
GrecoWrestlerNJ70 3 weeks ago
the caller sounded like he was on the way to tears around 4:56
TheFockerizer 3 weeks ago
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fletchernibiru 3 weeks ago
i am not a perfect person, but if a blood sacrifice is all this christian god can think of to "save" us from our "sins", then i have more of an imagination than him. i cannot have respect for such a being, even if he actually existed.
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quequack 3 weeks ago in playlist atheist experience
look mate thats not the way it is jesus does love us because he knows more then us and he no doubt knows what a terrible place hell would be,so he teaches us how to live and he took the blame for us and carried our sins away not non sensical crap but what about all the shit we do and dont know dude what about the time you didnt help you didnt hurt but you didnt help and someone was hurt due to your non actions or the consequenses of something you have said or done to another maybe you didnt know
quequack 3 weeks ago in playlist atheist experience
I like how there's a facepalm in the thumb for this video. :p
TAE = Awesome!
SalemMoonlight 1 month ago
I don't people bother to try to reason with this elibeth121 person ,it is pretty clear shehas been brain washed and has become completely delusional.she belives her 'god' healed her from her 4 strokes,but if god existed ,wouldn't that mean he was heone who gave her the strokes in the first place? and on 2nd note, she cannot realise all the errors her book of fiction.and she believes she knows the "truth" but has no evidence to base that so called truth on.
mandrillx 1 month ago
why do athiests hate the bible so much? it is a great piece of fiction and because of the bible we had great sci fantasy movies.(I loved Charlton Heston in the ten commandments!)
mandrillx 1 month ago
@mandrillx twilight is fiction too, doesn't mean is good. trololol
linkuei83 1 month ago
I thought Jesus was God? Stupid Christians they say Jesus was the 'Son of God' but also say he's 'God'. If he's God then how can he be the Son of God? Pathetic Christians always ILLOGICAL :)
ExtremeEnergyForce 1 month ago
@ExtremeEnergyForce It is called the diety, three in one.
elibeth121 1 month ago
What a great scene. Loved how the guy completely sidestepped the point.
seleroan 1 month ago
Religion was made so long ago, when people simply didn't have the knowledge about the universe as we do today, i'm sure that would have been a frustrating feeling and made life unpurposeless for some so they created the books and started believing in them. But with today's knowledge we understand alot more, I find it quite shocking that some people really choose to stay back in time rather then move on and remove their blindfold and help us find out what really is behind all of this.
Sm0k4bl3 1 month ago
The caller should have just said, "I don't know." But if he did that, it would have caused him to start thinking rationally. And we know thats not what he wanted.
AK33M 1 month ago
This show often comes across as a sober person (Matt) talking to a drunk person (theist caller).
lewisner 1 month ago
Yahweh loved the smell of burning flesh, because his priests loved hosting barbecues where everybody else supplied the meat.
dingodavid 1 month ago
@elibeth121 hi there. I have been an atheist for about two months now. I have brain damage and severe disabilities and never understood why god would not heal me. It says many times in the bible that whatever we ask for in prayer we will be given, but this is not true. I have realised it was not my fault I wasn't healed, not my lack of faith, but the fact that there is no god there. Despite my disabilities I am now in university and doing great. Why do you accept the bible? Take care
bagospannerz 1 month ago
@bagospannerz Well, it is nice to meet you and good for you. Like, you I also have many disabilities. I accept the bible through faith and grace. There are so many ways that God seeks contacts with us., in every moving experience of nature, in every apparent coincidence. In every challenge, and suffering, there is a hidden message to God to us. He speaks even more clearly to us when he turns to us in his Word, or in the voice of our conscience. I accept his will.
elibeth121 1 month ago
Great video! Lets stop talking about hell and the way to eternal salvation...LET BACK IT UP, just for a second here.....Why would god chose such a stupid business model? Such a terribly unethical injunction? Accept me as your savior or you have to go to hell.. Why? I get he is saying you have to, but why? Dont tell me what it does: "Oh it opened up the way to heaven." YEA, WHY?! ITS A HORRIBLE PROPOSITION. Deserving hell for using your critical thinking skills, or picking the wrong faith. THINK!
Johnf85 1 month ago
@Johnf85 He gives you free will of whether to reject him or love him. It is your choice.
elibeth121 1 month ago
@elibeth121 I UNDERSTAND ITS MY CHOICE TO REJECT, whether its jesus, muhammad, or one of the other DOZENS of sin atoning saviors competing. The point Im making is that 1. You can't DENY someone whom you don't believe exists. The bible is clear that if you do you'll go to hell because apparently you deserve it. So thats a total logical fallacy. Eternal suffering is a senseless alternative to not accepting any savior. How bout just death? Why all the suffering?! Its overboard and unethical.
Johnf85 1 month ago
@Johnf85 To reject God is to put someone or something ahead of him. The unborn, infants and those that don't have the mental capacity to understand right from wrong don't possess the ability to consciously reject God. For most people there comes a time when they are able to discern right from wrong or good from evil. Even if we haven't been told about God, God communicates with our conscience and reveals his will. Suffering and death is a natural part of lie.
elibeth121 1 month ago
@elibeth121 And the bible told you this right? Thats called circular logic. A pedophile that rapes children so bad they cant have kids, can turn to jesus the day before he dies, and go to heaven for an eternity of paradise. Meanwhile, a good person who never hurt anyone, will burn in hell for eternity because they just don't think the story of jesus is plausible.Your god is unethical and immoral.You are clearly indoctrinated and brainwashed to the point where you can't think freely and clearly.
Johnf85 1 month ago
@Johnf85 I do not know who God will allow into heaven besides those who try to follow him. I do know this, you cannot hide from God, nor fake him out. He knows the person heart, and they cannot just repent and go to into heaven, it has to be sincere. If someone kills someone, and does repents out of fear. God will do what is just. I am not brainwashed in any way. Yes, I can think free and cleary just as much as you, however I know that the Bible is true and is God's infallible word.
elibeth121 1 month ago
@elibeth121 infallible god? The god that called for the death of rape victims for not screaming loud enough, for the death of disobedient children, for genocide, death for working on the sabbath, the earth is flat, etc. This is not an infallible text. You are arrogant for saying YOU KNOW. Just as much as the muslims are for thinking their book is the infallible word of god. You think they are wrong, they think you're wrong. Atheists think you're both wrong, and hell is disgusting. Shame on you.
Johnf85 1 month ago
@Johnf85 God did not condone rape, that was against who God is and was. The reason they killed the amorities were because they were evil, they were worshiping idols and God knew they would grow up to be evil. It is very much infallible. I do not care if atheists think I am wrong. I know God and I know his word.
elibeth121 1 month ago
@elibeth121 Exodus 21:20-21 god's infallible instructions on how to beat your slaves. God called for genocide, and he explains how to beat slaves, and calls for the death of those who work on the sabbath, etc. DEAL WITH IT. Your either willfully ignorant, or you refuse to address these points. Your bible is flawed and immoral. Go ahead and explain the slave beating instructions. The god of the old testament is the same god today, evil.
Johnf85 1 month ago
@Johnf85 Jesus never condoned slavery. The jews gave rules to the masters of how to treat treat their slaves. You are not to question Gods morality. He does everything for a reason, according to his will. What happens in the OT, is not how , we do things today, He is not evil he is gracious, merciful, kind and loving.
elibeth121 1 month ago
@elibeth121 Exodus 20 verse1 "God spoke all these words saying."Then your god goes on to say thou shalt not kill, adultery, graven images, he wants sacrifices on an alter but dont walk up the steps bc you'll expose your private parts lol.Gods really watching out for people isnt he? It would be awful to get goat blood on your balls while you expose them to everyone.Then, in Exodus 21:20-21 he says if you beat your slave and they don't in two days, you're in the clear. Stop ignoring all my points.
Johnf85 1 month ago
@Johnf85 I am not ignoring anything. He wants animal sacrafices, the best of what they owned. He did watch out for his people, he is a loving and caring God. He did give orders on how to treat slaves.
elibeth121 1 month ago
@elibeth121 The fact that he did not tell them to not have slaves is what makes your pretend god and his fairy tale book very immoral, along of course with the mass genocide, and the threat of pain and torture for not believing a 2000 year old book that is "True because it says it is true", and is only widely believed because it was forced on people in the dark ages.....Glad science and reason is now spreading, make the world a more peaceful place when they no longer hate in God's name...
robtay1963 1 month ago
@robtay1963 This is what God said about slavery in the bible times, to reduce slavery.If there is a poor man among your brothers in any of the towns of the land do not be hardhearted or tightfisted toward your poor brother. Rather be openhanded and freely lend him whatever he needs.There will always be poor people in the land. God's ways are not our ways. Christians have not been perfect but the world is certain a better place the last 2000 years, for Christ presence in Christians.
elibeth121 1 month ago
@elibeth121 Sounds more like now. Any person can go somewhere and see a homeless person. This Godly figure sure does point out the obvious, though he knows everything...
ryan6627 1 month ago
@ryan6627 Anyone? How many do though? The point is God takes care of his people.
elibeth121 1 month ago
@elibeth121 well back in biblical times almost everyone could notice a homeless person. Ok what part of this dont you understand, Just because it is in a bible (supposively written by god), doesnt mean it's true! Every "godbook" says that it was written by a god, yet they all have no provable evidence. Everytime something good occurs, they thank THEIR god, still without proof. You have no proof. The default is not to believe it, just because many people claim "oh god did this..."
ryan6627 1 month ago
@ryan6627 Evidence of God through phenomenal or contingent world. Doctrine.•Motion First Cause •The fact that contingent beings exist, The graduated perfections ..The wonderful order of evidence or intelligent design,consent of mankind •and perception of beauty in the universe.Conscience.Universal content. Ontological argument.As known through faith, The God of revelation.transcendental principle or axiomh counsil.The knowability of God. immediate intuitiion.dialectical reasoning.
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elibeth121 1 month ago
@ryan6627 God showed love, kindness, graciousness, mercy, and much more all the way through the bible. God is love there is no greater love.
elibeth121 1 month ago
@elibeth121 You cant prove God or your fucking bible is true!! Does living in a fucking fish sound realistic to you??? You're a fucking moron and extremely close-minded.
ryan6627 1 month ago
@ryan6627 Nope, I am not close minded. God is logical to believe in. I have opened my heart and mind to receive God, You have closed your mind and your heart is hardened big difference.
elibeth121 1 month ago
@elibeth121 Aye we meet again elibeth121! When are you going to stop trolling the atheist experience videos? Are you functionally retarded? Are you mentally ill? Or are you just stupid? Go to church and listen to them. Go to a bar and start your preaching, you might convert someone if you weren't just a youtube troll. Go on the street corner and preach and see what sort of reaction you receive. All that skeptics are interested in is evidence. If you don't have it, go away please.
KaHabbful 1 month ago
@KaHabbful Everyone has a right to express their opinion. At least mine is the truth.
elibeth121 1 month ago
@elibeth121 Sure, you're right. But you are really mucking up the comments in all the videos. Why don't you just call into the show with your argument? That way everyone will here it and you don't have to post it over and over in all the comments section of this show's youtube vids. Your view is correct? Go and prove it on The Atheist Experience.
KaHabbful 1 month ago
@KaHabbful I know the truth. Matt is a satanic idiot, that leads already confused people astray.
elibeth121 1 month ago
@elibeth121 Ok, so why don't you tell him that to his face like someone with guts would do? You are being a coward by insulting him behind his back. Call the show if you really feel that way.
KaHabbful 1 month ago
@KaHabbful Oh I have, and so has my father, mother, sisters, and friends. as well as some people in my church.
elibeth121 1 month ago
@elibeth121 Oh yeah? Which episode have you and your family called in? I don't believe you, BTW. Did you make sure you called him a satanic idiot on there? If you want to insult someone do it to their face. Tell me the shows that your father, mother, sisters, and friends have called in on, all of them. I don't believe you because you have shown yourself to be a habitual liar, and hateful. You seem just like the type of person who would lie to save face....hmmm
KaHabbful 1 month ago
@KaHabbful It wasnt an episode. I talked to them on the phone and they hung up on me, they argued a bit with my father until they were mad, mom said they were satanic and not helpful in any way, my sister they hung up on. We wrote them letters, and send messages to their website. We are not liar, I am not a liar. I do not lie for that is also a sin.
elibeth121 1 month ago
@KaHabbful If I saw him face to face I would tell the same thing I said to him on the phone as well as the messages I wrote to him. He also blocked me the atheist experience which is also on here. This was downloaded by mattmon2 but some of those are from the atheist experience which I am blocked from not that I care.Everything they spew out of their mouth is pig crap and lies
elibeth121 1 month ago
@elibeth121 Well, perhaps the reaction you received is indicative of your and your family's behavior. If you wish to be effective, perhaps this isn't the best medium to continue to use. Like I said, go to a street corner and preach, go to a bar, go to a university, go anywhere where you can actually come face to face with those you insult and see who you can convert. You won't be effective in any real debate unless you have real, tangible evidence no matter what you are debating.
KaHabbful 1 month ago
@elibeth121 exactly what a closed minded person would say...
ryan6627 1 month ago
@ryan6627 Why am I close minded because I believe in Christ?
elibeth121 1 month ago
@elibeth121 No, it's becuase you deny things that make sense, then you run back to a part of the bible and recite, then you say my god is true over and over again.
ryan6627 3 weeks ago
@ryan6627 No, it is because God reveals things to us, he has revealed himself to me, I have a personal relationship with God. When he reveals things to you, you know it is true. I do not deny anything, I can tell right from wrong.
elibeth121 3 weeks ago
@elibeth121 CLOSE MINDED!!! How has he revealed himself? You cant see,hear,touch, judge, test, or smell him. Again, How??? You have a relationship with your imaginary friend, but the africans dont? Your "god" is a bastard. You cant determine right from wrong if you believe zombies and people living in fish. Why are you not God? How can God's son (jesus aka God) die, but you cant explain how he was created?? The cross shouldnt please you at all if jesus (god) died on it. Idiot..
ryan6627 3 weeks ago
@ryan6627 He speaks to us by his Spirit and many varied ways. How God revealed himself to me, was simply asking him to. We learn to listen to, to discern the voice of God.In his goodness Jesus chose to reveal himself, and to make known his hidden purpose of his will, through revelation. The cross is the way to heaven, the way of forgiveness, and to salvation through Christ.
elibeth121 3 weeks ago
@elibeth121 1. Prove spirit. That involves communication, so again, how did he speak to your spirit? It has to be a voice, yet you cant hear "god". You contradicted yourself and god. The Africans asked him to, but the didnt see god. Your god made the entire universe, but cant help starving kids, but helps YOU?!?!? SON OF A BITCH!!!! If jesus died for ALL our sins, why should we worship the cross? Why do atheist face hell??? That cross is BULLSHIT. God cant forgive without sacrifice???
ryan6627 3 weeks ago
@ryan6627 He can speak to us through his word, he can speak to you through conscience, he can speak to you through a decision that is hard for you to make, (meaning you have a peace with the decision) he can speak to you through his voice, or through dreams. We do not worship the cross, we thank Jesus for suffering for us and dying so we can be forgiving.
elibeth121 3 weeks ago
@elibeth121 Speak through word: You cant hear him. Decision: Who cant make hard decisions, people do it alllthe time. WELL YOU"RE FUCKING DREAMING YOU IDIOT!!!!! AGAIN< WHY DOES YOUR GOD REQUIRE A BLOOD SACRIFICE TO FORGIVE US? YOU DONT WORSHIP THE CROSS< BUT THERES A FUCKING CROSS ON THE BIBLE?!?!?!?!?!??!?!? WHAT ABOUT THE AFRICANS GOD HASNT HELPED??? ANSWER THE QUESTIONS AND STOP DODGING!!!!
ryan6627 3 weeks ago
@ryan6627 Yes you can. you can hear Gods voice. Just because there is a cross in the bible does not mean we worship the cross, we worship Jesus who died on the cross. African gods? A blood sacrafice through Jesus or animals? The blood sacrifices in Old Testament time were to foreshadow and symbolize Christ's atonement, his sacrifice for us. Thus the first-born of the flock without blemish were sacrificed, as Christ (also a first-born and perfect) ultimately would be sacrificed.
elibeth121 3 weeks ago
@ryan6627 If the Africans were Chrisitan then God heard them and helped them. My parents were missionaries in Africa, so the word of God was certainly brought to part of Africa.African traditional religion is made up of four important elements: polytheism, anthropomorphism, ancestor worship, and animism.
elibeth121 3 weeks ago
@ryan6627 When I say he helps us through decisions the Christian knows that God is helping them when we get a peace about it. It is not our peace it is clearly Gods.
elibeth121 3 weeks ago
@elibeth121 ANSWER. MY.QUESTIONS.STOP.DODGING. Every religion says that!!! It is your peace!Who doesnt have a decision to make??? If you had peace then that means it wasnt a hard decision!!! Is that alll the """""""" evidence"""""""""""" of your god????
ryan6627 3 weeks ago
@ryan6627 No, the bible is evidence,God working in our lives to change our bad habits ,our answered prayers is evidence, spiritual experiences,and fulfilled prophecies. His miracles,There is also evidence of God in our own hearts.God’s presence in us Christians, we know God exists because we speak to Him every day. We do not audibly hear Him speaking to us, but we sense His presence, we feel His leading, we know His love, we desire His grace.
elibeth121 3 weeks ago
@elibeth121 You have yet to answer one of my questions. You dont realize that every religion says that about their "god". You lack the ability to think logically, and seek no evidence to believe anything. This will get you no-where in life. Goodbye.
ryan6627 3 weeks ago
@ryan6627 well said Ryan, unfortunately fucked-up Christians like Elibeth will never be able to think for themselves not will they ever embrace rational thinking because they are heavily brainwashed since childhood
TheFockerizer 3 weeks ago
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elibeth121 3 weeks ago
@elibeth121 OH dear me oh yes I have been a bad boy. come over here and spank me I need to be punished. *Bends down* come on knock yourself out
TheFockerizer 3 weeks ago
@TheFockerizer not brain washed in any way. As an adult I am able to know what is truth and what is not.
elibeth121 3 weeks ago
@elibeth121 HAHAHAHA an adult who believes in fairytales, thats classic
TheFockerizer 3 weeks ago
@elibeth121 Ah yes, so all the muslims and jews and buddhists and hindus and satanists and all the other religions are true, because they're mostly made up of adults who are all able to know what the truth is. So I guess that hinduism AND islam is correct. Who'd have thunk it.
Squiglypig 3 weeks ago
@ryan6627 Well since God reveals himself to you, you know you are on the right path,plus he never leads you to blind faith or off the wrong path. I everything I need from Jesus, I will be in heaven with him. Where will you be?
elibeth121 3 weeks ago
@elibeth121 If God shed his light on me, why would Anyone rebel it? He hasn't. It's all blind faith if you cant test him. So your god is going to send me to hell? Such a lovely god.
ryan6627 3 weeks ago
@ryan6627 You need to ask God to shed his light to reveal himself to you, but not for evidence but because you want to believe Granted, Christian faith starts with blind faith, but as we get older, there is an opportunity for this faith to blossom... a once blind faith can be a secure faith.
I can not tell you that God is sending you to hell, that is for him to decide. I think that once you see his beautiful, holy faith you will repent.
elibeth121 3 weeks ago
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ryan6627 3 weeks ago
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@elibeth121 Starts with blind faith= gullable and stupidity. Great, even greater stupidity. Secure stupidity and gullability. Your bible says he will send me to hell, which is very nice of dog, I mean god. Sorry, I dont believe in imaginary beings.
ryan6627 3 weeks ago
@elibeth121 You brainwash yourself. Stop telling yourself you have to believe and question your belief.
TheAtheistProphet1 3 weeks ago
@TheAtheistProphet1 I test my faith all the time, and I know what I am supposed to believe in.
elibeth121 3 weeks ago 2
@TheAtheistProphet1 No one has to believe. I choose too.
elibeth121 3 weeks ago 2
@elibeth121 Maybe if you actually read a Bible like I have, you would realize how stupid this statement is, and maybe if you read it through twice, you can free yourself from this stupidity like I have. READ A BIBLE BEFORE TALKING ABOUT WHAT IS IN THE BIBLE.
trueleroix 1 month ago
@trueleroix I have read the bible many times through and I know what is consists of thank you .
elibeth121 1 month ago
@elibeth121 Well then stop lying.
trueleroix 1 month ago
@trueleroix Not lying
elibeth121 1 month ago
@elibeth121 quote: "Christians have not been perfect but the world is certain a better place the last 2000 years, for Christ presence in Christians."
Take off your rose coloured spectacles.
There was a time when christianity had almost total control over the lives of the population. During that time, people were slaughtered and tortured not just for not being christian, but for also for not believing in the "right version" of Christianity. It wasn't called the Dark ages for nothing.
Darwinsman 3 weeks ago
@Darwinsman Billions of other Christians have found the Bible to be true. From 2,000 years ago till now. It has changed them, it has shown the wisdom and knowledge. It has guided their lives, and lead them to salvation. Then it is something certainly worth believing. The bible betters are lives that is a fact.
elibeth121 3 weeks ago
@elibeth121 1/2. Numbers of believers isn't proof. The only reason Christianity is what it is today, is solely due to the political ambitions of the Roman Emperor Constantine. If it hadn't been for him, It's likely Christianity would still just be a group of warring insignificant sects like it was before Constantine took it over.
As for salvation. That's just a myth to trap the gullible by promising them that they won't die. Sorry, but yes they will, just like all of us. Cont'd.
Darwinsman 3 weeks ago
@Darwinsman I dit not say that the number was proof. I said that millions of people have found the bible to be true and it has really helped them. No, Jesus does not lie and I believe his promises. I never said we will not die, but our souls will go to heaven or hell.
elibeth121 3 weeks ago
@elibeth121 Jesus was talking to a crowd of people when he said that salvation would come before the last person in the crowd was dead (meaning that judgment day would come before the last person in the crowd had died).
It didn't come. He lied. Get over it.
Squiglypig 3 weeks ago
@Squiglypig what verse is that?
and God never lies. He said that, because Jesus knew he was going to die before these people died. He was guaranteeing that Salvation would come to these people as soon as he died.
elibeth121 3 weeks ago
@elibeth121 2/2. As for your comments to Alphacaliber about Africa, regarding missionaries.
I have a friend from Ghana and he told me a joke which has real meaning.
“In ancient times, we owned all the land. The missionaries had all the bibles.
The missionaries said to us, "Bow your heads, close your eyes and let us pray."
So we Bowed our heads, closed our eyes and prayed.
When we opened our eyes and raised our heads, we had all the bibles and the missionaries had all the land.”
Darwinsman 3 weeks ago
@Darwinsman well, that is not quite true. Missionaries help the Africans. Just like I send them food, goats,chickens and care packages every month.
elibeth121 3 weeks ago
@elibeth121 You really do bury your head in the sand. That Joke is common in Africa. But you are right, we send them food, goats,chickens and care packages and we take their oil, minerals, exotic crops, gold, diamonds. etc.
Nobody is going to heaven, because it doesn't exist. A Soul isn't real. It's just something made up by the