As a Jew, I am now slightly offended by hate speech laws. They suggest that we can't handle discrimination. Well, we've been dealing with discrimination for 2000 years, and if we need to do it for a few more to preserve freedom of speech, we can do that too.
@avielMenter Sorry..... The dogma is all wrong. Culturally you may consider yourself a Jew, but if you were to read the Torah and take in every word.... you probably wouldn't get past book 2 (Exodus) at which time you'd put down Judaism and become an atheist in respect to THEISM, and at least an agnostic in respect to deism.
@mouthyweasel But what you and others don't realize is that the torah isn't the relevant book. The literal Torah is a horrible book, almost all Jews have recognized this for 2000 years. That's why about 2000 years ago Rabbis wrote the Talmud: the laws described in the Talmud are not only _substantially_ less horrendous, but actually override those of the Torah.
@avielMenter Any subsequent text like the Talmud which doesn't condemn or invalidate the Tanakh as false, is arguably a red herring. Modernity may have updated ethics in the Mishnah & Talmud, but until one entirely accepts the invalidity of the embarrassingly stupid supernatural claims in the original text, then one is just dancing around a false premise & willingly entangling rules of conduct for a civilized society with superstitious nonsense. Jews/Christians/Muslims are nuts.
@mouthyweasel You really have no right to call religions nuts when you're completely unfamiliar with their actual theology and practices. The Talmud does not explicitly discredit the Tanakh: instead, it tries to explain how the Tanakh actually means to express civilized rules. Obviously all the explanations are contrived, but that's beside the point: rabbis were successfully able to institute sane laws while at the same time not disbanding and starting a new religion and a new people.
@avielMenter Hahaha! The irony. Yes I DO have the right. Yes I do. I shall exercise my right and say that I'm VERY familiar with your theology, and believe it to be utter rubbish. Perhaps they should have "disbanded" and started a new religion free new people. It's all founded on lies, Aviementer. A most central theme: The Exodus from Egypt never even happened. Yigael Yadin and his team, & all Egyptologists concur. The creator of the cosmos never spoke to anyone. grow up.
@mouthyweasel You think I don't recognize the fact that the stories in the Tanakh aren't true? I'm not a moron, don't treat me like one, and don't insult me. Jewish scholars have been saying that the Bible isn't literally true for about 1,000 years. Part of the reason Judaism is so special is that it's maintained a contiguous culture throughout thousands of years of diaspora, and if it weren't for the Talmud then Jews would have ceased to exist 2000 years ago. Disappearance of a culture = bad
@avielMenter There are many people who take it literally. You don't claim to speak for all of Jewry. The ultra-orthodox would likely not even consider you Jewish. Since you agree the Torah is a horrible book, then why, if the supernatural claims are inane, spurious, & disgusting, as you admit they are, the vast majority of its stories untrue, then why would you continue to identify yourself with that faith? You're something else. Secular. Atheist. Possibly a deist? Not Jewish.
@mouthyweasel Judaism is a culture as much as it is a religion. Even throughout worldwide diaspora, Jews have maintained relative cultural (and even genetic) continuity. I'm not a Jew because I share traditional Jewish beliefs, I'm a Jew because I was raised Jewish, around Jews, and am part of the culture.
the ultra-orthodox can go fuck themselves, but even they don't take the Tanakh literally: they interpret it through the Talmud. Nobody has acted according to the literal Tanakh in 2000 years.
@avielMenter The Sanhedrin forbade the wickedness found throughout Leviticus & Deuteronomy."Jewish" IS arguably an ethnicity as well as a religion. It's the religion/ belief in all things "super"natural w/ which I take serious issue. Fine: be a cultural Jew, but when I hear some of your traditionally Jewish brethren tell me what the creator of the cosmos demands of me, my blood begins to boil & I, by association, lose respect for YOU even though you may not be directly culpable.
@mouthyweasel First, the sanhredrin haven't been around for 1700 years. Second, the orthodox Jews suck, but you have to recognize that isn't very representative of the Jewish culture. Most Jews aren't really religious. In fact, about half of american jews are agnostic / atheists. I hate the Hassidim much more than you do, trust me, but that doesn't mean you can say "Jews are like X" because only the ultra orthodox are, and they are a small, nonrepresentative group of Jews.
@mouthyweasel And not only that, as you said, they don't even consider people like me Jews, so it's even more silly to attribute their characteristics to me.
@mouthyweasel Also, you clearly have no idea about Jewish theology if you honestly think that traditional Jewish theology adheres literally to what the Tanakh says, or even that Jews think that the Tanakh is literally true. That hasn't been the case for 2,000 years.
@avielMenter The Torah is a horrible book? Say that to the Hasidim and check their reaction. Every single day of their lives includes the prayer to their Almighty Yahweh, thanking him for giving them the Torah. It, so full of slaughter, rape, incest, slavery, murder, genocide & all mandated by the Jewish/Christian god. The Talmud, if it in any way supplements & endorses the Torah WITHOUT overt condemnation & admitting that it's pure fabrication, then it renders itself suspect.
I am pretty scared now.
AxeHomeless 1 day ago
Well, when the ladies say, that they weren't able to look those words up, they commit, that they know (or even use) these words
kosand1984 1 week ago
“Dr Johnson”, they said, “We are delighted to find that you’ve not included any indecent or obscene words in your dictionary.”
“Ladies”, said Dr Johnson, “I congratulate you on being able to look them up.”
I don't seem to get it, can anyone explain?
MrEstarmes 1 week ago
If I would have to chose a contemporary person of public impact as hero-it would probably be Christopher Hitchens- great man- sadly missed
reviewsvoiceontube 1 week ago
what verse is he talking about?
TheShaitanjr 2 weeks ago
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TheShaitanjr 2 weeks ago
I wish I had heard of Christopher Hitchens before he died.
badash13 2 months ago 14
As a Jew, I am now slightly offended by hate speech laws. They suggest that we can't handle discrimination. Well, we've been dealing with discrimination for 2000 years, and if we need to do it for a few more to preserve freedom of speech, we can do that too.
avielMenter 2 months ago 14
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mouthyweasel 1 month ago
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@avielMenter Sorry..... The dogma is all wrong. Culturally you may consider yourself a Jew, but if you were to read the Torah and take in every word.... you probably wouldn't get past book 2 (Exodus) at which time you'd put down Judaism and become an atheist in respect to THEISM, and at least an agnostic in respect to deism.
mouthyweasel 1 month ago
@mouthyweasel But what you and others don't realize is that the torah isn't the relevant book. The literal Torah is a horrible book, almost all Jews have recognized this for 2000 years. That's why about 2000 years ago Rabbis wrote the Talmud: the laws described in the Talmud are not only _substantially_ less horrendous, but actually override those of the Torah.
avielMenter 1 month ago
@avielMenter Any subsequent text like the Talmud which doesn't condemn or invalidate the Tanakh as false, is arguably a red herring. Modernity may have updated ethics in the Mishnah & Talmud, but until one entirely accepts the invalidity of the embarrassingly stupid supernatural claims in the original text, then one is just dancing around a false premise & willingly entangling rules of conduct for a civilized society with superstitious nonsense. Jews/Christians/Muslims are nuts.
mouthyweasel 1 month ago
@mouthyweasel You really have no right to call religions nuts when you're completely unfamiliar with their actual theology and practices. The Talmud does not explicitly discredit the Tanakh: instead, it tries to explain how the Tanakh actually means to express civilized rules. Obviously all the explanations are contrived, but that's beside the point: rabbis were successfully able to institute sane laws while at the same time not disbanding and starting a new religion and a new people.
avielMenter 1 month ago
@avielMenter Hahaha! The irony. Yes I DO have the right. Yes I do. I shall exercise my right and say that I'm VERY familiar with your theology, and believe it to be utter rubbish. Perhaps they should have "disbanded" and started a new religion free new people. It's all founded on lies, Aviementer. A most central theme: The Exodus from Egypt never even happened. Yigael Yadin and his team, & all Egyptologists concur. The creator of the cosmos never spoke to anyone. grow up.
mouthyweasel 1 month ago
@mouthyweasel You think I don't recognize the fact that the stories in the Tanakh aren't true? I'm not a moron, don't treat me like one, and don't insult me. Jewish scholars have been saying that the Bible isn't literally true for about 1,000 years. Part of the reason Judaism is so special is that it's maintained a contiguous culture throughout thousands of years of diaspora, and if it weren't for the Talmud then Jews would have ceased to exist 2000 years ago. Disappearance of a culture = bad
avielMenter 1 month ago
@avielMenter There are many people who take it literally. You don't claim to speak for all of Jewry. The ultra-orthodox would likely not even consider you Jewish. Since you agree the Torah is a horrible book, then why, if the supernatural claims are inane, spurious, & disgusting, as you admit they are, the vast majority of its stories untrue, then why would you continue to identify yourself with that faith? You're something else. Secular. Atheist. Possibly a deist? Not Jewish.
mouthyweasel 1 month ago
@mouthyweasel Judaism is a culture as much as it is a religion. Even throughout worldwide diaspora, Jews have maintained relative cultural (and even genetic) continuity. I'm not a Jew because I share traditional Jewish beliefs, I'm a Jew because I was raised Jewish, around Jews, and am part of the culture.
the ultra-orthodox can go fuck themselves, but even they don't take the Tanakh literally: they interpret it through the Talmud. Nobody has acted according to the literal Tanakh in 2000 years.
avielMenter 1 month ago
@avielMenter The Sanhedrin forbade the wickedness found throughout Leviticus & Deuteronomy."Jewish" IS arguably an ethnicity as well as a religion. It's the religion/ belief in all things "super"natural w/ which I take serious issue. Fine: be a cultural Jew, but when I hear some of your traditionally Jewish brethren tell me what the creator of the cosmos demands of me, my blood begins to boil & I, by association, lose respect for YOU even though you may not be directly culpable.
mouthyweasel 1 month ago
@mouthyweasel First, the sanhredrin haven't been around for 1700 years. Second, the orthodox Jews suck, but you have to recognize that isn't very representative of the Jewish culture. Most Jews aren't really religious. In fact, about half of american jews are agnostic / atheists. I hate the Hassidim much more than you do, trust me, but that doesn't mean you can say "Jews are like X" because only the ultra orthodox are, and they are a small, nonrepresentative group of Jews.
avielMenter 1 month ago
@mouthyweasel And not only that, as you said, they don't even consider people like me Jews, so it's even more silly to attribute their characteristics to me.
avielMenter 1 month ago
@mouthyweasel Also, you clearly have no idea about Jewish theology if you honestly think that traditional Jewish theology adheres literally to what the Tanakh says, or even that Jews think that the Tanakh is literally true. That hasn't been the case for 2,000 years.
avielMenter 1 month ago
@avielMenter The Torah is a horrible book? Say that to the Hasidim and check their reaction. Every single day of their lives includes the prayer to their Almighty Yahweh, thanking him for giving them the Torah. It, so full of slaughter, rape, incest, slavery, murder, genocide & all mandated by the Jewish/Christian god. The Talmud, if it in any way supplements & endorses the Torah WITHOUT overt condemnation & admitting that it's pure fabrication, then it renders itself suspect.
mouthyweasel 1 month ago
@avielMenter Glad to hear that. But did you know that Hitchens himself was partly jewish?
unlyckystrike 2 weeks ago
@unlyckystrike Not sure what your point is.
avielMenter 2 weeks ago
@avielMenter Whether or not you were aware of the fact that he was partly jewish.
unlyckystrike 2 weeks ago
@unlyckystrike I think I was, yeah.
avielMenter 2 weeks ago
@avielMenter Damn good attitude.
ultimateZigzag 2 weeks ago
@avielMenter hhahahaha you are a jew hopefully you get hit by a car LOL!
kickmeout1 1 day ago
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avielMenter 2 months ago