I have a few simple question, I hope some one can help me clarify these please. 1) Is God a just God? If yes then was is just of God to kill Jesus who never sinned for the sake of sinners? 2) Is Jesus God? I am constantly being told that he is God someone told me today that anyone who does not believe Jesus is God is NOT a Christian....the guy in this video clearly separates the two. I'm confused someone please help me and thanks.
@mrfliprage I will attempt to answer you questions simply.
1) Yes, God is just; but is also merciful. His mercy is greater than justice. For though man deserves just punishment, He offered to save the many sinful by one sinless. Isn't it greater mercy to save many than one? Jesus did not remain dead. He resurrected. If He were killed and never resurrected, then we could argue.
2) Jesus is God. Jesus is Begotten, not made. Which means he is the same substance as God. Read St. John chapter 1.
@sesomyort What a pile of unproven BS. Tell me ,why this just, loving,merciful, almighty god, allows the suffering and death of 100.000 innocent children in Haiti , under the rubble of their dwellings ?
@tallliza when any who are truly innocent die in this world, it is not a cause to mourn for them; but rather to rejoice for them-for they are thereafter forever in the presence of the Lord. if you would be mournful, you should mourn for those still in this world, where one more light of God's glory has been turned off in this world.
@HermitintheRain Yes and that is the truly innocent are believers of Christ, they will receive salvation and go to heaven. So we shall rejoice in them! :)
But for those still in the world, there is still Hope!
Still in the world, meaning, not Christian right? Those who have not received Salvation?
But there are good non believers out there too!
Now, it's a matter of reaching out to all the non believers out there by sharing the gospel to them! :D
@tallliza The righteous perisheth, and no man layeth it to heart: and merciful men are taken away, none considering that the righteous is taken away from the evil to come. Isaiah 57:1
Those who live in this world, who see the innocent taken out of it, if they be wise, will recognize a dreadful day upon the horizon where judgment is drawing nearer and nearer to those who have refused the voice of Wisdom to repent, knowing that a swift and final destruction awaits all who will not hear and obey.
we are so selfish!! I want to blame it on the devil, but no, we know the truth && YET still neglect the single act of purity, sacrifice and unfailing love that God showed us, that after giving up His son still watched Him die for people who wont care one bit. All that He requires is that we ACKNOWLEDGE what He did and not nail His son a second time.
@MrLacobee08 Look at the deeper meaning. If Christ was love, then love is the way. He had to keep it simple for his disciplines, who were a little slow. But look at the spiritual meaning to him, and you'll see what I mean.
Christ is not the way. Love and morality is the way. THAT is what Christ taught. So many take his words at face value and not try to see the spiritual meaning to them. The whole "Christ is the only way" came long after he was gone.
@FollowerOfTheGods Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. John 14:6
Jesus is not a morality, or a spiritual meaning. Jesus is the Son of God, the Lamb of God, the Apostle and High Priest of our profession.
Jesus Christ is the name by which Peter declared: Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved. Acts 4:12
@FollowerOfTheGods For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad. 2 Corinthians 5:10
we aren't going to appear before some spiritual meaning; we will all appear before the literal judgment seat of Christ. That Christ is the only way came along long before he was born in this world-the prophets, his servants prophesied of this centuries before he came into this world.
@FollowerOfTheGods your denial of Christ being the only way makes you to be both a liar and of those the apostle John called being of the spirit of antichrist and of those false teachers that Peter would be among us who "..who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of." (2 Pet 2:1b-2)
@tallliza The whole counsel of God reveals that under the government of Moses and the priesthood thereof, it was indeed commanded that heretics should not be permitted to live. But under the new covenant, under the governement of Jesus and his priesthood, we are commanded not to take vengence on the enemies of God's kingdom; for such judgment is strictly to be left in the hands of the Lord Jesus himself, who will indeed destroy them all.
@HermitintheRain You just flashed your ignorance like the mid-day sun. There is no need to bother replying to such disgraces. You will take even your own idol's words and twist them.
fuck atheism!!! in christ we live and in christ we die,and in christ we will rise in a glorified body free of the laws and limits that science is bound in!.for we who believe in christ will all be changed
@HDell1994: Agree with you. Billy, you defile the name of Christ by using language like that. I'll assume you are a young believer who is immature in the faith.
science is always fucking wrong most of the time! the theory of evolution is bull shit too! mere theory! and unless you find out about these so called proven facts for yourself and research and truly see with your own two eyes,your going by what science tells you,not by what you see so it too is faith
Jesus was circumcised in the flesh and so are the Muslim males(Gen. 17: 10/14)
Jesus used to Greet like we Muslims do (John 20: 19-21)
Jesus and other Prophets of the Bible used to fall on their faces like the Muslims
while Worshipping God (Matthew 26: 39,Genesis 17: 3 ,Job 1: 20, Numbers 16: 20 to 22) Can anyone who falls on his face and prays to “Heavenly Father” be co-equal in the status or in the glory with “Heavenly Father”?
This is how I see religion. God is a whore, Satan is a meth head, Marry was not a Virgin, and Jesus is dead. Who is left for us to worship when every other being is gone? Ourselves. We are the only one's that can save this dying Earth. Not God. Not Jesus. Not Satan. Us. We are life, and we should worship ourselves above all else. I am a LaVeyan Satanist and I ashure you, this is the only true philosophy that can save us all.
@jadams1972 happiness is fleeting and can be achieved with things. Only the knowledge of your eternal security can produce joy that is not dependent on things.
@follower of the gods: I'm curious by what normative you are evaluating this "greater moral and integrity" against? Is it your own standard as indicated by the statement "than I ever though possible?" If so, I wonder by what warrant you have to trust in your standards? Is that not the height of arrogance? Have you ever considered that Christ died because he got himself killed in step with his Father's plan to kill him as a substitute for his treasured creatures amid a totally a lost humanity?
@jadams1972 Are you twisting my words by some chance? Where did I say anything about greater moral and integrity here? My standards are actually rather low if you must absolutely know. But saying that Christ is the only way to paradise or happiness is exactly what I said. A propagandic lie. Just what would arrogance have to do with simple facts? Christ may have gotten himself killed for the lost Jews, as he was their god, but humanity as a whole was far from lost. Their gods guided them.
@FollowerOfTheGods what I mean is you are not worth saving, nobody is. God chooses to love us even though we are completely sinful. You and me deserve punishment everyday of our lives we break Gods laws daily, and He has the right as your creator to do whatever He wants with you. But, He chooses to love you and He sent a payment for your crimes against God.
@trustandrepent The Israeli god can love who he chooses. But I do not suffer the whim of a god from the middle-east. The gods of my ancestors, the gods of the North, are what guides me. If you wish to follow a desert deity, then go right ahead. I am not going to be judging you. Neither would I judge a follower of the Olympians or Egyptian gods. But "Jehovah" is not my creator. That would be Lord Odin. And his family. And we are their family as well. And so we love each other as such.
It's not about happiness, its about righteousness. Only the righteous shall inherit the kingdom of God, and the bible makes it clear that there are none righteous no not one. So Christ paid the penalty for the sins you committed and if you will repent and put your faith in Him and Him alone for your eternal salvation then you will be seen as righteous and will inherit eternal life!!!
@trustandrepent If someone had to die for you to save yourself from your own sins, then you are not worth saving. Besides, sin is a Judea-Christian creation. Trust the morals of your heart, and you can not go wrong.
@trustandrepent How is righteousness not about happiness? Is there a truly happy unrighteousness? Fleeting pleasures are available for our carnal friends, but there is no happiness outside the Lord's sphere of blessing.
@FollowerOfTheGods no my dear friend its not a lie its the truth you are unbelieving thats why you call it a lie you hate the truth but yet the truth Loves you for God is truth and peace and love,all of the above acuaratly describe what Christ did for you He died in your place so that you would not perish but have eternal life
@willimax18 I believe that Christ came here. But I do not follow him. I follow the gods of my ancestors, and that path has led me to greater moral and integrity than I ever though possible. The god of Israel can love who he wills, but he had best not bother me. I do not honor or follow him. Christ died because he got himself killed. The only one who can "save" you is yourself. If you have to have someone die for you, then you are not worth saving.
Eh, why do we have to be perfected? I dont want to be perfected. If perfected, what else is there to strive for? That would get boring. No drama = no adventure!! I dont need redemption or some innocent person taking my place, I just need to mend things and move on. The old testament has numerous ways god forgave man not through jesus or blood sacrifice. Sorry R.C. there is more than one way god forgives.
@dave1122drum Hi, you said that in the old testament that God forgive through other means than Christ or blood sacrifices. I would agree that, in the old testament, Christ had not come yet so yes nobody called on his name. And until He told his people to ofter blood sacrifices, a blood sacrifice was not needed. I think the Bible as a whole demonstrates a continuous revelation of Gods plan for mans peace with Him and it ends with Jesus the cross and trusting in Him. What is your belief system :-)
If god exists and created the world and everything in it, why would anyone assume or hope that he cares about his creation? For if he created everything, he created all the bad, dark, gross, and evil things (disease, lucifer, poop, etc.) along with all the good things. At best, god is a good/evil duality who doesn't give a shit. At the worst -- and this is if he cares -- he is malevolent; wishing mankind, along with all of his creation, harm.
@clumpofdirt77 Creation was originally good. Man for whom creation was made rebelled against a perfect and holy God. God lets man live but fills the earth with his displeasure (disease, death etc) in hopes that man will see His anger and ask for forgiveness. God provides the simplest way possible. He offers His son, puts Him on a cross and all man has to do is look upon Him to be saved. Heaven will be a redeemed creation, all of it, only better then what we already know. I hope this helped :-)
@clumpofdirt77 That's just something you are saying to avoid accountability. Everything that God created was good. Evil came into the world as a result of the choices that his Ceatures made after He created them. So God didnt bring evil into existence, His creatures did.
Why do we think that we have a right to be equal with God? Why do we perceive equality with God as something that will make us happy? Why can't I be happy with the idea of doing what He tells me to do, when He tells me to do it? Why can't I be happy with the idea of complete servitude to my creator? Yet being a servant to some petty lust as for power or money as justified. I am a wretched ungrateful creature who in his vanity thinks that the Lord of creation owes me something for being me.
This video should be the only one on youtube about the Lord. I am so tired of seeing Christians damming each other to hell over their doctrine debates and insisting their THEIR way ( instead of God's ) is the only way. Christ is the way, the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father, but by him.....NOT your doctrine.
If you have TRUE and REAL faith in Christ and the work He did for you at the cross then you are saved and your life will change as a result of that true faith.
@cattlexing if you would like evidence of Jesus pray for it. The Bible promotes questions. In the bible there was a story about Thomas he didn't believe Jesus was real and instead of condemning that person Jesus took his hand and put it in his wound. Jesus will show himself to you if you pray for it. b4 i was saved God showed Jesus to me in a way that only I could understand and he promises to do the same for anyone who asks. I will pray for you and everyone else who is struggling with this.
"If that's not enough for you...If that's too restricted...Then go your own way,BUT it's the only WAY that GOD has provided.>>>YOU CHOOSE THAT...or you perish...
If this video was the only one on Youtube, it would be enough. If anyone REALLY wants to know the meaning to life, and is not just wallowing in life's pain and trying to demonstrate their intelligence with endless philosophical theories, listen to this video with an open heart. You have to trust in something or someone to rescue you from your inevitable demise. Change your mind about God, yourself and the wrong you have done. Believe and live.
@cattlexing are you suggesting that Jesus was a NOT real Jewish man who lived about 2000 years ago, and who had a religious following? wikipedia states: "Scholars generally conclude that Jesus was born sometime between 7-2 BC/BCE and died sometime between 26-36 AD/CE." Are you one of the very few people in the world who believes Jesus did NOT EXIST AT ALL? The only question really is what do you believe ABOUT JESUS. This is the most important question of your life. YOUR life depends on this.
@pjacobo quoting wikipedia doesnt get you any extra points, and general conclusions at best are just that. When alls said and done, I'd rather be one of the "few" that dont believe in a historical jesus due to gross lack of evidence than one of the many that believe because of hearsay and self-supposed jesus "experiences"... God bless
@cattlexing To deny Jesus Christ existed is intellectually dishonest. The evidence is overwhelming. If he didn't exist, how exactly to do you explain the rise of Christianity??? If you're actually interested in seeing the evidence, Lee Strobel did a great job in his book and film called Case for Christ. The film used to be on Hulu for free, but I don't see it there anymore. But if you have a netflix account you can watch it online through that. And don't worry, Lee doesn't quote Wikipedia.
wow. I'm... "impressed"... at how myopic a view of Christianity and the development of the Bible this is... I mean... you know that Adam and Eve stuff didn't *really* happen, right? :-T
This is good, except the statement that "God said it's ok, you killed my Son" as though He let's go of some of His glory..../......Jesus said "I lay my life down freely," as God's curse and wrath in our place. God still retains 100% of His glory because he poured out 100% of His wrath on His Son........But still this was and awesome vid.
Fourthly, we didn't choose to be created, therefore we owe God nothing. Fifthly, if God gives us free will, but dictates how we use it, what is the point of giving us free will to begin with? Sixthly, this video assumes that Jesus was the actual son of God, or should we just worship every loon that claims to die for us? Seventhly this nothing, but a low emotional ploy, and a logical fallacy. Does God really want followers through manipulation? If so, then, again, what is the point of free will?
There are so many problems with this video, I could go on and on. Firstly, God is only 'perfect' by his own standards which in and of themselves are completely arbitrary. Secondly, if God is 'perfect', then our ungratefulness wouldn't be offensive to him. Thirdly, we are only 'sinful' because we are being punished for the sins of our ancestors.
@BeekersSqueake 1.) Of course those are his own standards, the same ones we abide by. 2.) It is offensive because we cannot dwell with Him anymore as a result of our sins. 3.) The first people who stood before the presence of God disobeyed Him. What makes you think you would do any different? 4.) Go ahead and point the finger, but we are still accountable for what we have done. 5.) Who are we,a piece of clay, to talk back to the clay-maker? 6.) Witnesses claimed Jesus's divinity and recorded it.
@BeekersSqueaker 1.) Another view: holiness (God) and then the absence of holiness AKA evil. 2.) The standards were merely language for humans to consciously be aware but are also written in our heart, we call this a conscience. 3.) If you have committed no sin until now and therefore completely clean then yes, you deserve a shot. 4.) My point was that Jesus's divinity wasn't self proclaimed but merely of witnesses accounts. The scriptures' skepticism is a matter of opinion based on speculation.
1) God is only holy because he sets the standard or holiness. Secondly if God is omnipotent and thus omnipresent there can be no 'abscence' of him. 3) Yet it is impossible to sinless because God declared me 'sinful' before I even existed.
1a) If God freely sets the standards then we have no standards. Everything is potentially evil and everything is potentially pious. (b) More over things are only evil because God arbitrarily "says so". 2) see #1b. 3) I at least deserve a shot don't I? What is the point in being just if you'll punish people for sins they did not commit? 4)See #1b. 5) Who is an abused child to stand up to their abusive father? 6) The records I've seen are hardly convincing.
@BeekersSque Your analogy of an abusive father is a false pretense; unless the father created his son from nothing, gave him breath, knows his every thought, sees his every move, and wrote the child's life from beginning to end. The child will one day be like his father and surpass him. We will never even begin to know the wholeness of the Father. We are lucky (we call it love) to have a glimpse of His greatness through His son and make us holy (like Him) so that we will one day dwell with Him.
Your over analyzing my point, creating from nothing etc. has nothing to do with it. The abusive father still made it possible for the son to exist. So according to this video the father can do whatever he wills with the child because he "owes him his life". The point I'm making is that God is abusive if he will bestow eternal punishment for finite crimes against completely arbitrary rules.
@BeekersSquea You see my explanation as an over analysis because you see a human's father and son relationship with that of our and God's. These are simply just not the same. You see God's standards as arbitrary but it is simply what God is and what God isn't. God didn't say I will abide by these settings therefore you must also. Holiness is God and God is holiness. Evil is the absence of Holiness thus the absence of God.
@BeekersSqueakers God is not abusive for judging righteously. IF you are sinless then you have nothing to worry about. For the rest of the world who is with sin, God would be just to give us the wages for our sins. Yet God has giving Himself up for judgment that is rightfully ours. We can now dwell with God for we will be righteous like His Son, regardless of what we have done or will do in life. There is nothing we can do to earn or keep this gift.
But what makes it "righteous"? You're implying to contradictory premises at the same time. God dictates morals/ morals are objective to God. If morality/righteousness is outside God, then yes he can judge us, but it means he is not absolutely sovereign. But if God dictates morals then they are arbitrary and are only "righteous" because of a "might makes right" mentality. So which is it?
@BeekersSqueakers His actions are righteous because He is righteous. This is illogical for us because our understanding is not large enough for God. Trying to explain his Holiness along with morality is trying to explain His existence outside of time along with His creation of time. Illogical along with natural wonders in this world. I can give the simplest of examples in exodus: God says He is a jealous God yet in the same set of commandments we are told not to envy.
The thing is I CANNOT be sinless in God's eyes. Merely existing as a human (of which God forced me to be) forces me commit sin. Why should I jump through hoops to seek forgiveness for merely existing?
@BeekersSqueakers Envy is wanting what isn't ours. What exist in this universe that doesn't belong to God? We can't hold the same logic for God that we use on ourselves. Classic case of shifting the blame. We have no one to blame but ourselves for our own conscious decisions. Even though we can not refuse to be human God has given us a gift. A gift in which we can be sinless like Him. A gift which is not forgiveness and nothing we can do to earn or keep this gift.
Man ate from the Tree of Knowledge long ago and now science want's to make gods of Men in this knowledge via science by limiting it with laws, principles and set rules. Science if truly fluid would be all of current theories only, but it is not. Science forces you to have faith in it but God only asks faith from you.
@WILLTHEWGMAN You seem to believe it's either a choice between science or religion. The two have nothing to do with one another. Science does not make ethical rules or laws. A scientific "law" is not what you think it means.
@WILLTHEWGMAN Not true. Science does not require you to believe in the absence of convincing evidence. Religion is the opposite. Remember the story of doubting Thomas. Thomas is castigated for wanting evidence to support an outrageous claim [resurrection]. The others who blindly believe without question are praised. Religion tries to instill this mentality in people to facilitate manipulation. It is not possible to believe without suspending reason.
Once science made set rules, laws and principles, it no longer could be called knowledge because knowledge has no set rules in any form, knowledge is fluid and because all of science is not ALL theory, they are no longer the same. Science in this regard is no longer the study of knowledge because with any set principles, it limits further new knowledge from challenging it without changing it's laws. If it's laws can change, they are not fixed laws.
@WILLTHEWGMAN How does testable, provable, reproducible evidence take "faith" to follow? How is intellectually honest, skeptical inquiry a "religion"?
If science can be self correcting; in that new science can prove old science wrong, when do we know for sure when science is ever right? Science always fails to explain the need in mankind for philosophy or why it dominates laws of man and the science of evolution is ignored. Animals have no moral expectations even if science claims humans as just another evolved animal. Love, hate, good, evil & crime itself has no scientific meanings but who can deny these things exist?
@WILLTHEWGMAN The strength of science is it's ability to refine it's conclusions - the testable evidence doesn't change. Science does not fail to explain the need for philosophy - it's rooted in it! The philosophical questions of "hows and whys" only advance towards the real truth - through evidence produced by the scientific method.
@WILLTHEWGMAN To claim that "animals have no moral expectations" - is ignorant of reality.
I've seen a penguin mother steal another's baby when their's died - and watched the flock separate the baby from the thief and return it to the rightful mother. I've seen parents ignore self-preservation instincts and sacrifice their lives protecting their offspring. I've seen dozens of different species grieve over their dead.
Empathy is not found in animals but only mankind; Solders can have empathy for killing their enemies even to only survive themselves. Hunters can have empathy when they kill their game even for only the necessity to eat. But does an animal have empathy for it's game ever? Does an animal have sympathy for the animal it kills to eat or the babies of the animals that no longer have a mother? A man can chose to stare to death in order to feed a stranger,can an animal do this???
@WILLTHEWGMAN "Empathy is not found in animals but only mankind;"...so...
you've studied every animal on the planet? You'd have to to make that statement from a position of honesty.
For me to state "I've observed several animal species exhibit the spectrum of emotions including empathy, love, loss, fear, grief, anger and even employ a sense of justice in their social workings." - I do so from first hand experience.
Do some freaking research! You're argument is from a lack of knowledge.
I will ask you 3 main questions about animal empathy. Do they have empathy for the animals they kill to eat, their game? Can an animal chose to starve to death in order to feed another animal that it is not a family member or part of it's group? Does an animal posses the logic of moral conviction and freewill to chose such things as found in mankind?
@WILLTHEWGMAN your 3 main questions are ludicrous. I have no idea the limits of animal empathy/thinking and neither do you. What I do know is that many animal species display the same emotions humans do. Empathy included.
You're argument is provably false with less than 2 hours of actual research into what you think you know.
@WILLTHEWGMAN "But does an animal have empathy for it's game ever?" I don't know. And neither do you. What I do know is several species display empathy towards sick and dying members of their group and towards their younglings. I've seen animals console each other.
You should actually do some research before making blanket statements that are provably wrong. Watch a documentary on animal behavior for crying out loud.
@WILLTHEWGMAN "Love, hate, good, evil & crime itself has no scientific meanings but who can deny these things exist?"
Emotions are chemical peptides. There's nothing mystical about them.
Good and evil are subjective. What's good to one is evil to another. Lemme pull a Godwin here - Nazis - they thought themselves good and were doing "the Lord's work". Now we call them evil - if they had won, we'd be calling them good.
Is the 'War on Terror' good or evil? Depends on the perspective.
Is your self-awareness and consciousness as an individual and all feelings of emotions like love, hate and cognition of morality more you than your physical body? If you as an Atheist believe that they are one in the same then all of these things as in "love.." are merely biological delusions without any real meanings.
How do you as an Atheist give logical credence to falling in love or the evil of someone murdering a child within these delusions of "chemical peptides"???
@WILLTHEWGMAN #1 I'm not an Atheist. #2 if self-awareness and consciousness and feelings were more than our physical bodies, then electroshock, lobotomies and major head trauma would not drastically alter personality - yet they provably do. Your premise is falsified by the known evidence.
And you still don't understand nature : Explain why were are not the only species that pair bonds? explain why people fall out out love? (CONT)
Never heard of anyone's self-awareness or consciousness as an individual even being effected by even full amnesia, as a matter of fact, the first think one ponders is "who and I". This question validates they still have self awareness! Never heard that one is not able to love ever again. You can forget your human history and knowledge of course. With all this said, the soul is to a brain as a DOS/Windows platform is to a hard-drive. Evil=virus and God is the anti-virus...
@WILLTHEWGMAN I never mentioned amnesia because it has no relevance - I pointed out the known catalysts for radical personality changes. And really, if self-awareness is mystical and not physical, why then are we not aware when we're asleep (and not in REM) or unconscious?
God myths are the virus - provable lies demanding they're truth.
Physical and emotional experiences can effect ones personality and they do everyday. The only difference is that I see this as proof of a soul and you see it as lack of proof.
It is not known for sure if we only dream in REM state while sleeping and can't be known because of the timing... How would we know when someone is dreaming or not?
@WILLTHEWGMAN Let me clarify my position : I'm Agnostic. I don't know if there's god(s) or not. What I do know is that if - IF - a Creator God exists, biblegod is not it, and if Jesus was real, he was just a man.
Jesus is a provable amalgamation of many earlier mythologies tracing all the way back to the Sumerians.
I know this because I've read the bible. And the qur'an, the tripitaka, the vedas and an ongoing list of philosophies. I know that none are from - or about - any real gods.
What "earlier mythological figure" was persecuted by His own people, died for all mankind's sins and rose again from the dead? Which one taught. "he without sin cast the first stone, love your enemy, turn the other cheek..." These are the foundational principles in the Christianity and no where will you find such mythology as this in the history of mankind. The teachings of Jesus are not some philosophy made-up by mankind, they are the philosophy of God Himself!!!
You claim; "Jesus is a provable amalgamation of many earlier mythologies.., I've read the bible.., ongoing list of philosophies.."
From what "myths" did these main principles of Christianity come from; That God come down to earth as a man, was persecuted and put to death by his own people even without sin Himself to forgive all mankind's sin, then rose from the dead. What philosophy of man teaches; he without sin cast the first stone, turn the other cheek and love your enemy?
@WILLTHEWGMAN God/god-son/savior/heaven/hell/judgment/12 apostles/crucified/born on the winter solstice, died/rose on the spring equinox : earliest I've found was Horus. There were dozens of known variations for at least 3000 years before Jesus supposedly lived... and dozens known to exist around his supposed time and region.
I've traced the "love thy neighbor as yourself" philosophy as far back as Buddha, 500 BC.
You're arguing from a lack of knowledge. Do some research.
"Horus" did NOT was NOT: A Savior, Crucified, Resurrected, Ascended / Descended, Have 12 Apostles or have anything to do with Divine Judge!!! "Horus" was not even born and did not even die, he was a myth!
Just because you read an Atheist book from 1875 does not make you some historian. Crucifixion is not a myth but a real method of death and yes, used in some forms for prior to Jesus, so what?
"Love your neighbor" is very far from "love your enemy" and I listed others...
@WILLTHEWGMAN According to the ancient Egyptian religions, that's EXACTLY who and what Horus was. Archeology shows he was worshiped for more than 3500 years as a savior and key to life in the underworld. Do you know anything at all about other religions? Anything at all about religions that existed before yours?
As far as I'm concerned, Horus obviously never existed - but he was sold as if he did. No different than the Jesus myth today.
You are quoting long disproved information that was fabricated by known atheists or cults in both the 1400s and late 1800s. The myth about "Horus" never claimed such things. There is not one myth prior to the life of Jesus which states a "savior" was "crucified". All myths that incorporate such a concept did so or were altered in order to mimic Jesus after 100 AD. The myth of Horus never even claims that he was born or died...
@WILLTHEWGMAN So far you've demonstrated your lack of knowledge concerning animal behavior - yet make provably false blanket statements about the subject. And now you're making provably false blanket statements about ancient religions to back provably false claims.
You actually think that Egyptians, Sumerians, and everyone else - dug up their dead religions, edited the mythologies to mirror Jesus, then reburied them???
Lemme guess - you also believe the devil planted trillions of fossils.
It is this simple.. Please name which mythical god's story line claimed that they were a "savior" that was "crucified" and not one that one incorporate such a concept after 100AD....????
Also, what living historian claims such a thing and what document is this claim made in????
Stating something personal about me is irrelevant.
@WILLTHEWGMAN Horus - cruciform savior - as verified in the Pyramid Texts, the Coffin Texts, the Book of the Dead and literally hundreds of surviving hieroglyphic texts still surviving on temple and pyramid walls. It was their religion - and it lasted for at least 4500 years - leaving tons of evidence.
Who supports what I say? Pick any professor of Egyptian mythology or archeology. Or hey - here's a thought - why not actually do some research yourself?
LOL, you state Horus "died". I cant find a claim that within the myth that Horus even had a "death", much less was "crucified"!
Look, there is NO professor, archeologist or historian that claims such things for 100% certainty!
All I am asking you to do is to back up your claims with evidence, not more baseless claims. I can not refute a claim without knowing what your bases is for it... You should not even have a claim without having a bases for it. This is Logic 101
@WILLTHEWGMAN Wow. Just wow. Logic 101? OK man, let's reset all this to your original statement : "Science is a man-made religion of faith in today's knowledge."
On what logical basis/evidence do you make this claim?
I have explained this... how come you rarely answer my questions when I have to repeat mine answers to you? Why is it that you change the subject in lieu of providing proof in your claims? I even have a video on this subject with many comments and a very long description.
Here is the short of this again; If the science of today can be proven in error anytime tomorrow via new science, how can not faith play a major part in one accepting any truth in science today? See the video for more info.
@WILLTHEWGMAN Science is a skeptical pursuit of knowledge. That's all. At the start of that pursuit is a "hypothesis" - an educated guess. If anyone wants to call an unproven hypothesis "true" - that takes faith...and it's no longer science.
A proven, peer-tested hypothesis eventually becomes a "theory" - meaning - no known scientific data we know of discredits it. It doesn't take faith to state a theory - it takes a mountain of evidence for - and no evidence AT ALL against it. (CONT)
@WILLTHEWGMAN Scientists do not call scientific theories "absolute fact" - even though no evidence refutes it yet. Still no faith required to follow the facts - or to back a theory that it supports - because once again - facts are facts - no faith required - just an understanding of the facts.
Eventually scientific theories become LAW. Still no faith required. It's just factual reality.
Now, take the big bang theory. We KNOW (not have faith in) the universe is expanding from a central(cont)
@WILLTHEWGMAN point. We KNOW this is absolute fact - no faith required. If you think I could be wrong, study red-shift. But just because we can prove the universe is expanding from a central point - doesn't mean any theory of the big bang is absolute fact - and anyone who claims any big bang model is "true fact" is not a scientist - they are operating faith - not science.
This is probably a poor example of why faith is not used (or required) in understanding science..but maybe you'll get it.
@WILLTHEWGMAN Your statement "If the science of today can be proven in error anytime tomorrow via new science, how can not faith play a major part in one accepting any truth in science today?" - is a gross misunderstanding and misrepresentation of science.
When science calls something a LAW or a FACT - it doesn't change - it's 100% provable. The earth is round - a 100% provable scientific fact.
Do you think it takes faith to believe this scientific fact is truth?
@WILLTHEWGMAN ""Love your neighbor" is very far from "love your enemy" and I listed others..."
Read the Trapitika - love your enemy is in there too. Read Greek philosophy. Almost everything attributed to Jesus was provably first said by multiple other sources - centuries (and in some cases millenia) before Jesus supposedly existed.
@WILLTHEWGMAN And I'm curious - do you actually believe an omnipotent god required himself to kill himself to appease himself for the things we do? Do you actually believe the bible claim that the ONLY unforgivable sin is disbelief?
According to the bible, a person can commit every human atrocity possible - and still get to a paradise heaven - if they believe in the scapegoat mythology of Jesus before they die. How in your mind is this divine justice? What about the victims?
@WILLTHEWGMAN (CONT) With regards to murdering a child being evil - please explain why Jesus (as old testament god) ordered parents to kill disobedient children and ALL non-believers - including their babies? "be happy while dashing their little ones against the rocks" doesn't sound moral to me.
The Old Testament is filled with kids being sacrificed to - or slaughtered because Jesus ordered it. Yet you claim it's always evil? That makes your Jesus evil.
Jesus did not enter into life as a man on Earth until after the old testament. You claim to know the Bible but trying and quote it part and parcel without faith is a Major error on your part! Christians have never killed disobedient children nor has this ever been any part of Christian doctrine. Jesus was not religious but instead preached against the religious dogmas of His days. You can't name anything evil that Jesus did because He was without sin!!!
@WILLTHEWGMAN #1 I was a Christian for almost 20 years - an Apologist for 2 years. If you're going to claim faith helps interpretation - there's 35,000+ "faithful" registered Christian sects that prove you wrong.
#2 Just because you claim Jesus is without sin doesn't mean anything. Arguably, he disobeyed his mother when he went to the temple as a kid; he lost his temper with the moneychangers; with his last words, he himself lost faith in God "Father! Why have you forsaken me?"
The Bible claims Jesus is without sin and I have faith in the Bible. If you no longer believe in the Bible or God why must you debate others that do? Do you debate others about what is the best color, black or blue? You understand the meaning of faith, right? There is no more scientific evidence that faith is any less real than love but I bet you would never claim love is not real.
@WILLTHEWGMAN You said : "If you no longer believe in the Bible or God why must you debate others that do? " Look at your comment at the top...it's you saying "All Atheist, come debate me please."
@WILLTHEWGMAN "If science can be self correcting; in that new science can prove old science wrong, when do we know for sure when science is ever right?"
Are we sure the earth is round? Are we sure our cells divide? Are we sure electricity can produce magnetism and vice versa? Are we sure radio waves propagate?
Now let me turn that around - what makes you think anything in any religion is right? What evidence do you have any religious belief is true?...and faith is not evidence.
God has given us many saviors, but they're all of one way. "Whatsoever you do to the least of my people, that you do unto me." Jesus said, because his people are of his spirit and for whosoever they light the way, so does he.
For God so loved the elect, that He gave His only Son, that whomsoever He had chosen to not perish but have eternal life should believe in Him. For God sent His Son to condemn the world, and to save the elect.
You have it all wrong. My God Dave McDaniels is the only way to God. If you don't believe in him then your soul will burn forever. Gosh people, wake up! I mean really! How can you not see that my way is the only right way and if you don't follow me, you're goona burn in hell!
I'm being facetious my friend. Only a fool would claim that their way is the only way. It would be nice if religious folk would try and convert the masses by lving up to their faith themselves and being good examples to the rest of us. Instead, they tend to make faulty assertions and look down upon others who don't see the world as they do.
ok....don't take it to heart....it really doesn't matter.......funny old story here (not verbatim) 3 blind men, 1 elephant. 1 man grabs the tail and proclaims, "an elephant is like a rope." 1 man grabs the trunk and says, "no, you're wrong, an elephant is like a snake." 1 man grabs a leg and says, "no, you're both wrong, an elphant is like tree trunk." On their own levels they're all right and all wrong.
Yup. May peace be with you. May your faith inspire you to do great things for yourself and for all men. May you never be inspired to impose harm upon another in the name of your faith. May God reveal Himself to you and "make you a subject of Thy peace." Goodnight.
hey praise God my brother, i appreciate the blessings.. i pray ypu receive the revelation of your redemption through Jesus.. and keep up that rudyard kipling stuff, it sounds good.. SHALOM..
"The Kingdom of God is within you and all about you, not in buildings of wood and stone. When I am gone, split a piece of wood and I am there; lift a stone and you will find me." .......sounds quite pantheistic....from the gospel of Thomas which was thrown out of the bible during the Nicean Council... Why? Did God appoint these men as his official editors? Men speak for God and limit Him, defining Him in the image of their own beliefs and kill in His name, God becomes the mis
@studentofthegospel It is so nice that we now agree with each other. Even though I am an atheist I do accept the teaching of Jesus in Matthew 22:34-40 because it is an absolutely moral position. My problem is with fundamentalist Christians and Muslims who believe that you cannot criticize any aspect of the Quran or Bible. Jesus actually invites us to do so when he says that the prophets and laws are subordinate to his two laws.
As regards Christians killing in God's name: I can think of the Spanish inquisition, the Crusades, The wars of religion that came from the Reformation. I could go on...
I asked him if he knew any Christians... Not if he knew OF any Christians. And those two Laws are subordinate to nothing... they are the fulfillment. They are the summary, the Divine intention behind the Law and the Prophets.
That's what I said the two laws are subordinate to nothing but all other laws and prophets are subordinate to them two laws. Like I said, we agree. As regards Christians killing in God's name - I guess it is not an option for someone who follows the two laws but that has not stopped people in the past and will no doubt not stop them in the future.
The present is not subordinate to the past, it is dependant only in that the two are connected. If a single law is broken, then all the law is broken. I'd also ask you to do some research into the Crusades... they're not what they were commonly believed to be. The inquisition, however, fills me with rage. I submit that even a Christian who kills is doing so apart from the will of God. But we are not perfect... He is. And you have seen that perfection in the "golden rule."
This video is so narrow-minded in its rejection of other equally absurd religions. It can be easily demonstrated that the Bible is the work of man and it's values must be placed in historical context. You would not need to do this if it were a divine work. Therefore we cannot know what the "Law of God" is that man has supposedly rejected.
If you KNEW the Bible, you would see that it is far more than anything man could have contrived. But you don't know the Bible, so you don't see that.
Because God is perfect, He is perfect in justice. Legal problems needed to be solved before God could just forgive man. Unlike Allah, God will not forsake justice to forgive anyone, hence the need for the work of Jesus Christ on the cross to make God just when forgiving sins.
MandrewP (love the name by the way; sounds like a gay porn star). The Bible is clearly man-made. Slavery is now considered an abomination. You will find no passage in the bibe instructing christians to free slaves. You will find lots of support for slavery. The authors of the bible did not wish to undermine the Roman economy so as far as they were concerned economics trumps morality. That is wrong but very human and certainly not divine.
That was definitely a theory you came up with all by yourself. Your right though in that the Bible does promote slavery. But it also did so in the OT which is way before Roman times, so you're way off on that one. But it also promotes fair treatment of slaves. I'm not going to justify the Bible because it does not need to be justified. It is what it is. God also promotes slavery. The Bible calls us slaves of Christ. A God who transcends reality is not bound to your perception of morality.
But the New Testament does promote slavery. Saint Paul enjoins slaves to "be subject to your masters" Look at 1 Timothy 6:1-2 and tell me there is not a moral breakdown in the Bible. If you are going to use the Bible as your exclusive moral guide, because you claim it is the word of God, then you do indeed need to explain the New testament's support for slavery. 2+2 does indeed equal 4 but the bible says it is 5, 6 or even 7 because the truth is this; enslavement can never be justified.
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VictoryInJesus454 2 months ago
i'm really depressed that there are spelling errors on this video.... i was totally going to post it on my blog.
dmbibee 4 months ago
@dmbibee
speling erors? so wut? The message is the one that's important.
RaptureUs911 2 months ago
I have a few simple question, I hope some one can help me clarify these please. 1) Is God a just God? If yes then was is just of God to kill Jesus who never sinned for the sake of sinners? 2) Is Jesus God? I am constantly being told that he is God someone told me today that anyone who does not believe Jesus is God is NOT a Christian....the guy in this video clearly separates the two. I'm confused someone please help me and thanks.
mrfliprage 9 months ago
@mrfliprage I will attempt to answer you questions simply.
1) Yes, God is just; but is also merciful. His mercy is greater than justice. For though man deserves just punishment, He offered to save the many sinful by one sinless. Isn't it greater mercy to save many than one? Jesus did not remain dead. He resurrected. If He were killed and never resurrected, then we could argue.
2) Jesus is God. Jesus is Begotten, not made. Which means he is the same substance as God. Read St. John chapter 1.
sesomyort 9 months ago
@sesomyort What a pile of unproven BS. Tell me ,why this just, loving,merciful, almighty god, allows the suffering and death of 100.000 innocent children in Haiti , under the rubble of their dwellings ?
tallliza 8 months ago
@tallliza when any who are truly innocent die in this world, it is not a cause to mourn for them; but rather to rejoice for them-for they are thereafter forever in the presence of the Lord. if you would be mournful, you should mourn for those still in this world, where one more light of God's glory has been turned off in this world.
HermitintheRain 7 months ago
@HermitintheRain I hope this heavenly father takes your loved ones. After all they will be better off enjoying this eternal bliss/!!!
tallliza 7 months ago
@tallliza Yes, we do live in the hope that all His children will one day spend eternity with Him. Eternal Bliss indeed!!!!
maidenshazza 2 months ago
@HermitintheRain Yes and that is the truly innocent are believers of Christ, they will receive salvation and go to heaven. So we shall rejoice in them! :)
But for those still in the world, there is still Hope!
Still in the world, meaning, not Christian right? Those who have not received Salvation?
But there are good non believers out there too!
Now, it's a matter of reaching out to all the non believers out there by sharing the gospel to them! :D
thevoicexwithin 6 months ago
@tallliza The righteous perisheth, and no man layeth it to heart: and merciful men are taken away, none considering that the righteous is taken away from the evil to come. Isaiah 57:1
Those who live in this world, who see the innocent taken out of it, if they be wise, will recognize a dreadful day upon the horizon where judgment is drawing nearer and nearer to those who have refused the voice of Wisdom to repent, knowing that a swift and final destruction awaits all who will not hear and obey.
HermitintheRain 7 months ago
@HermitintheRain What a pile of silly snake-oil vendors scare tactics ,to sell nonsense.
tallliza 7 months ago
@sesomyort That`s a theory. Not reality.
tallliza 7 months ago
we are so selfish!! I want to blame it on the devil, but no, we know the truth && YET still neglect the single act of purity, sacrifice and unfailing love that God showed us, that after giving up His son still watched Him die for people who wont care one bit. All that He requires is that we ACKNOWLEDGE what He did and not nail His son a second time.
Thank You Father God.
redon781 9 months ago
@MrLacobee08 Look at the deeper meaning. If Christ was love, then love is the way. He had to keep it simple for his disciplines, who were a little slow. But look at the spiritual meaning to him, and you'll see what I mean.
FollowerOfTheGods 10 months ago
thank you for this excellent video post!
24Revelation 10 months ago
Christ is not the way. Love and morality is the way. THAT is what Christ taught. So many take his words at face value and not try to see the spiritual meaning to them. The whole "Christ is the only way" came long after he was gone.
FollowerOfTheGods 10 months ago
@FollowerOfTheGods Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. John 14:6
Jesus is not a morality, or a spiritual meaning. Jesus is the Son of God, the Lamb of God, the Apostle and High Priest of our profession.
Jesus Christ is the name by which Peter declared: Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved. Acts 4:12
HermitintheRain 7 months ago
@FollowerOfTheGods For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad. 2 Corinthians 5:10
we aren't going to appear before some spiritual meaning; we will all appear before the literal judgment seat of Christ. That Christ is the only way came along long before he was born in this world-the prophets, his servants prophesied of this centuries before he came into this world.
HermitintheRain 7 months ago
@FollowerOfTheGods your denial of Christ being the only way makes you to be both a liar and of those the apostle John called being of the spirit of antichrist and of those false teachers that Peter would be among us who "..who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of." (2 Pet 2:1b-2)
HermitintheRain 7 months ago
@HermitintheRain Why not kill the heretics. It`s in the bible ?
tallliza 7 months ago
@tallliza The whole counsel of God reveals that under the government of Moses and the priesthood thereof, it was indeed commanded that heretics should not be permitted to live. But under the new covenant, under the governement of Jesus and his priesthood, we are commanded not to take vengence on the enemies of God's kingdom; for such judgment is strictly to be left in the hands of the Lord Jesus himself, who will indeed destroy them all.
HermitintheRain 7 months ago
@HermitintheRain You just flashed your ignorance like the mid-day sun. There is no need to bother replying to such disgraces. You will take even your own idol's words and twist them.
FollowerOfTheGods 5 months ago
Who are the 29 turds?
theocratickingdom30 10 months ago
I LUV GOD!!!!!!!
mikibifye 11 months ago
fuck atheism!!! in christ we live and in christ we die,and in christ we will rise in a glorified body free of the laws and limits that science is bound in!.for we who believe in christ will all be changed
billy5939 11 months ago
@billy5939 Kind of hypocritical to include profanity in such a comment don't you think?
HDell1994 11 months ago
@HDell1994: Agree with you. Billy, you defile the name of Christ by using language like that. I'll assume you are a young believer who is immature in the faith.
theocratickingdom30 10 months ago
science is always fucking wrong most of the time! the theory of evolution is bull shit too! mere theory! and unless you find out about these so called proven facts for yourself and research and truly see with your own two eyes,your going by what science tells you,not by what you see so it too is faith
billy5939 11 months ago
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Jesus was circumcised in the flesh and so are the Muslim males(Gen. 17: 10/14)
Jesus used to Greet like we Muslims do (John 20: 19-21)
Jesus and other Prophets of the Bible used to fall on their faces like the Muslims
while Worshipping God (Matthew 26: 39,Genesis 17: 3 ,Job 1: 20, Numbers 16: 20 to 22) Can anyone who falls on his face and prays to “Heavenly Father” be co-equal in the status or in the glory with “Heavenly Father”?
Jesus fasted so do the muslim
karwan19 11 months ago
This is how I see religion. God is a whore, Satan is a meth head, Marry was not a Virgin, and Jesus is dead. Who is left for us to worship when every other being is gone? Ourselves. We are the only one's that can save this dying Earth. Not God. Not Jesus. Not Satan. Us. We are life, and we should worship ourselves above all else. I am a LaVeyan Satanist and I ashure you, this is the only true philosophy that can save us all.
missjuggalettehomie 1 year ago
@jadams1972 happiness is fleeting and can be achieved with things. Only the knowledge of your eternal security can produce joy that is not dependent on things.
trustandrepent 1 year ago
@follower of the gods: I'm curious by what normative you are evaluating this "greater moral and integrity" against? Is it your own standard as indicated by the statement "than I ever though possible?" If so, I wonder by what warrant you have to trust in your standards? Is that not the height of arrogance? Have you ever considered that Christ died because he got himself killed in step with his Father's plan to kill him as a substitute for his treasured creatures amid a totally a lost humanity?
jadams1972 1 year ago
@jadams1972 Are you twisting my words by some chance? Where did I say anything about greater moral and integrity here? My standards are actually rather low if you must absolutely know. But saying that Christ is the only way to paradise or happiness is exactly what I said. A propagandic lie. Just what would arrogance have to do with simple facts? Christ may have gotten himself killed for the lost Jews, as he was their god, but humanity as a whole was far from lost. Their gods guided them.
FollowerOfTheGods 1 year ago
@FollowerOfTheGods what I mean is you are not worth saving, nobody is. God chooses to love us even though we are completely sinful. You and me deserve punishment everyday of our lives we break Gods laws daily, and He has the right as your creator to do whatever He wants with you. But, He chooses to love you and He sent a payment for your crimes against God.
trustandrepent 1 year ago
@trustandrepent The Israeli god can love who he chooses. But I do not suffer the whim of a god from the middle-east. The gods of my ancestors, the gods of the North, are what guides me. If you wish to follow a desert deity, then go right ahead. I am not going to be judging you. Neither would I judge a follower of the Olympians or Egyptian gods. But "Jehovah" is not my creator. That would be Lord Odin. And his family. And we are their family as well. And so we love each other as such.
FollowerOfTheGods 1 year ago
@FollowerOfTheGods What you said is completely right
trustandrepent 1 year ago
It's not about happiness, its about righteousness. Only the righteous shall inherit the kingdom of God, and the bible makes it clear that there are none righteous no not one. So Christ paid the penalty for the sins you committed and if you will repent and put your faith in Him and Him alone for your eternal salvation then you will be seen as righteous and will inherit eternal life!!!
trustandrepent 1 year ago
@trustandrepent If someone had to die for you to save yourself from your own sins, then you are not worth saving. Besides, sin is a Judea-Christian creation. Trust the morals of your heart, and you can not go wrong.
FollowerOfTheGods 1 year ago
@trustandrepent How is righteousness not about happiness? Is there a truly happy unrighteousness? Fleeting pleasures are available for our carnal friends, but there is no happiness outside the Lord's sphere of blessing.
jadams1972 1 year ago
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@jadams1972 "How is righteousness not about happiness?" Righteousness is self-delusion.
"there is no happiness outside the Lord's sphere of blessing." Religion is such a cult of control.
TheHigherVoltage 1 year ago
To say that Christ is the only way is to say that there is only one way to be happy. It's an outright Christian lie.
FollowerOfTheGods 1 year ago
@FollowerOfTheGods no my dear friend its not a lie its the truth you are unbelieving thats why you call it a lie you hate the truth but yet the truth Loves you for God is truth and peace and love,all of the above acuaratly describe what Christ did for you He died in your place so that you would not perish but have eternal life
willimax18 1 year ago
@willimax18 I believe that Christ came here. But I do not follow him. I follow the gods of my ancestors, and that path has led me to greater moral and integrity than I ever though possible. The god of Israel can love who he wills, but he had best not bother me. I do not honor or follow him. Christ died because he got himself killed. The only one who can "save" you is yourself. If you have to have someone die for you, then you are not worth saving.
FollowerOfTheGods 1 year ago
Eh, why do we have to be perfected? I dont want to be perfected. If perfected, what else is there to strive for? That would get boring. No drama = no adventure!! I dont need redemption or some innocent person taking my place, I just need to mend things and move on. The old testament has numerous ways god forgave man not through jesus or blood sacrifice. Sorry R.C. there is more than one way god forgives.
dave1122drum 1 year ago
@dave1122drum Hi, you said that in the old testament that God forgive through other means than Christ or blood sacrifices. I would agree that, in the old testament, Christ had not come yet so yes nobody called on his name. And until He told his people to ofter blood sacrifices, a blood sacrifice was not needed. I think the Bible as a whole demonstrates a continuous revelation of Gods plan for mans peace with Him and it ends with Jesus the cross and trusting in Him. What is your belief system :-)
theflarpus 1 year ago
If god exists and created the world and everything in it, why would anyone assume or hope that he cares about his creation? For if he created everything, he created all the bad, dark, gross, and evil things (disease, lucifer, poop, etc.) along with all the good things. At best, god is a good/evil duality who doesn't give a shit. At the worst -- and this is if he cares -- he is malevolent; wishing mankind, along with all of his creation, harm.
clumpofdirt77 1 year ago
@clumpofdirt77 Creation was originally good. Man for whom creation was made rebelled against a perfect and holy God. God lets man live but fills the earth with his displeasure (disease, death etc) in hopes that man will see His anger and ask for forgiveness. God provides the simplest way possible. He offers His son, puts Him on a cross and all man has to do is look upon Him to be saved. Heaven will be a redeemed creation, all of it, only better then what we already know. I hope this helped :-)
theflarpus 1 year ago
@clumpofdirt77 That's just something you are saying to avoid accountability. Everything that God created was good. Evil came into the world as a result of the choices that his Ceatures made after He created them. So God didnt bring evil into existence, His creatures did.
philliphitt 1 year ago
Why do we think that we have a right to be equal with God? Why do we perceive equality with God as something that will make us happy? Why can't I be happy with the idea of doing what He tells me to do, when He tells me to do it? Why can't I be happy with the idea of complete servitude to my creator? Yet being a servant to some petty lust as for power or money as justified. I am a wretched ungrateful creature who in his vanity thinks that the Lord of creation owes me something for being me.
theflarpus 1 year ago
This video should be the only one on youtube about the Lord. I am so tired of seeing Christians damming each other to hell over their doctrine debates and insisting their THEIR way ( instead of God's ) is the only way. Christ is the way, the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father, but by him.....NOT your doctrine.
If you have TRUE and REAL faith in Christ and the work He did for you at the cross then you are saved and your life will change as a result of that true faith.
jpoole2121 1 year ago
@cattlexing if you would like evidence of Jesus pray for it. The Bible promotes questions. In the bible there was a story about Thomas he didn't believe Jesus was real and instead of condemning that person Jesus took his hand and put it in his wound. Jesus will show himself to you if you pray for it. b4 i was saved God showed Jesus to me in a way that only I could understand and he promises to do the same for anyone who asks. I will pray for you and everyone else who is struggling with this.
ImTheSlack 1 year ago
AMEN !!!!!!
theflarpus 1 year ago
"If that's not enough for you...If that's too restricted...Then go your own way,BUT it's the only WAY that GOD has provided.>>>YOU CHOOSE THAT...or you perish...
HERE I thought R.C. was a CALVIN....LOL
Ogram1000 1 year ago
If this video was the only one on Youtube, it would be enough. If anyone REALLY wants to know the meaning to life, and is not just wallowing in life's pain and trying to demonstrate their intelligence with endless philosophical theories, listen to this video with an open heart. You have to trust in something or someone to rescue you from your inevitable demise. Change your mind about God, yourself and the wrong you have done. Believe and live.
electroman210 1 year ago 10
This is amazing! Thank You Father, Thank You Jesus, Thank You Holy Spirit!!!
Thanks alinck for posting this video!!!
prn72271 1 year ago
great advice... the only way to "salvation" is through a mythological character. Thanks for that :)
cattlexing 1 year ago
@cattlexing are you sure? what happens after death? in that question I mean proof of what happens after ones dies?
The bible says that man is given one life and after that comes judgment. Suppose thats is right, what will you do?
As a man transformed by Christ, He is many things great but myth He surely isnt.
prn72271 1 year ago
@cattlexing are you suggesting that Jesus was a NOT real Jewish man who lived about 2000 years ago, and who had a religious following? wikipedia states: "Scholars generally conclude that Jesus was born sometime between 7-2 BC/BCE and died sometime between 26-36 AD/CE." Are you one of the very few people in the world who believes Jesus did NOT EXIST AT ALL? The only question really is what do you believe ABOUT JESUS. This is the most important question of your life. YOUR life depends on this.
pjacobo 1 year ago
@pjacobo quoting wikipedia doesnt get you any extra points, and general conclusions at best are just that. When alls said and done, I'd rather be one of the "few" that dont believe in a historical jesus due to gross lack of evidence than one of the many that believe because of hearsay and self-supposed jesus "experiences"... God bless
cattlexing 1 year ago
@cattlexing To deny Jesus Christ existed is intellectually dishonest. The evidence is overwhelming. If he didn't exist, how exactly to do you explain the rise of Christianity??? If you're actually interested in seeing the evidence, Lee Strobel did a great job in his book and film called Case for Christ. The film used to be on Hulu for free, but I don't see it there anymore. But if you have a netflix account you can watch it online through that. And don't worry, Lee doesn't quote Wikipedia.
Murphybp2 1 year ago
@pjacobo That's true. Even watching the documentaries that you see on t.v., you can see that even athiest scholars believe that he really existed.
philliphitt 1 year ago
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"For God so loved the world..."
WanderingSeer 1 year ago
wow. I'm... "impressed"... at how myopic a view of Christianity and the development of the Bible this is... I mean... you know that Adam and Eve stuff didn't *really* happen, right? :-T
AdderallApocalypse 1 year ago
This is good, except the statement that "God said it's ok, you killed my Son" as though He let's go of some of His glory..../......Jesus said "I lay my life down freely," as God's curse and wrath in our place. God still retains 100% of His glory because he poured out 100% of His wrath on His Son........But still this was and awesome vid.
jessetruro 1 year ago
Fourthly, we didn't choose to be created, therefore we owe God nothing. Fifthly, if God gives us free will, but dictates how we use it, what is the point of giving us free will to begin with? Sixthly, this video assumes that Jesus was the actual son of God, or should we just worship every loon that claims to die for us? Seventhly this nothing, but a low emotional ploy, and a logical fallacy. Does God really want followers through manipulation? If so, then, again, what is the point of free will?
BeekersSqueakers 1 year ago
Holy shit! Talk about emotional manipulation!
There are so many problems with this video, I could go on and on. Firstly, God is only 'perfect' by his own standards which in and of themselves are completely arbitrary. Secondly, if God is 'perfect', then our ungratefulness wouldn't be offensive to him. Thirdly, we are only 'sinful' because we are being punished for the sins of our ancestors.
BeekersSqueakers 1 year ago
@BeekersSqueake 1.) Of course those are his own standards, the same ones we abide by. 2.) It is offensive because we cannot dwell with Him anymore as a result of our sins. 3.) The first people who stood before the presence of God disobeyed Him. What makes you think you would do any different? 4.) Go ahead and point the finger, but we are still accountable for what we have done. 5.) Who are we,a piece of clay, to talk back to the clay-maker? 6.) Witnesses claimed Jesus's divinity and recorded it.
jeanniefavela 1 year ago
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BeekersSqueakers 1 year ago
@BeekersSqueaker 1.) Another view: holiness (God) and then the absence of holiness AKA evil. 2.) The standards were merely language for humans to consciously be aware but are also written in our heart, we call this a conscience. 3.) If you have committed no sin until now and therefore completely clean then yes, you deserve a shot. 4.) My point was that Jesus's divinity wasn't self proclaimed but merely of witnesses accounts. The scriptures' skepticism is a matter of opinion based on speculation.
jeanniefavela 1 year ago
1) God is only holy because he sets the standard or holiness. Secondly if God is omnipotent and thus omnipresent there can be no 'abscence' of him. 3) Yet it is impossible to sinless because God declared me 'sinful' before I even existed.
BeekersSqueakers 1 year ago
1a) If God freely sets the standards then we have no standards. Everything is potentially evil and everything is potentially pious. (b) More over things are only evil because God arbitrarily "says so". 2) see #1b. 3) I at least deserve a shot don't I? What is the point in being just if you'll punish people for sins they did not commit? 4)See #1b. 5) Who is an abused child to stand up to their abusive father? 6) The records I've seen are hardly convincing.
BeekersSqueakers 1 year ago
@BeekersSque Your analogy of an abusive father is a false pretense; unless the father created his son from nothing, gave him breath, knows his every thought, sees his every move, and wrote the child's life from beginning to end. The child will one day be like his father and surpass him. We will never even begin to know the wholeness of the Father. We are lucky (we call it love) to have a glimpse of His greatness through His son and make us holy (like Him) so that we will one day dwell with Him.
jeanniefavela 1 year ago
Your over analyzing my point, creating from nothing etc. has nothing to do with it. The abusive father still made it possible for the son to exist. So according to this video the father can do whatever he wills with the child because he "owes him his life". The point I'm making is that God is abusive if he will bestow eternal punishment for finite crimes against completely arbitrary rules.
BeekersSqueakers 1 year ago
@BeekersSquea You see my explanation as an over analysis because you see a human's father and son relationship with that of our and God's. These are simply just not the same. You see God's standards as arbitrary but it is simply what God is and what God isn't. God didn't say I will abide by these settings therefore you must also. Holiness is God and God is holiness. Evil is the absence of Holiness thus the absence of God.
jeanniefavela 1 year ago
@BeekersSqueakers God is not abusive for judging righteously. IF you are sinless then you have nothing to worry about. For the rest of the world who is with sin, God would be just to give us the wages for our sins. Yet God has giving Himself up for judgment that is rightfully ours. We can now dwell with God for we will be righteous like His Son, regardless of what we have done or will do in life. There is nothing we can do to earn or keep this gift.
jeanniefavela 1 year ago
But what makes it "righteous"? You're implying to contradictory premises at the same time. God dictates morals/ morals are objective to God. If morality/righteousness is outside God, then yes he can judge us, but it means he is not absolutely sovereign. But if God dictates morals then they are arbitrary and are only "righteous" because of a "might makes right" mentality. So which is it?
BeekersSqueakers 1 year ago
@BeekersSqueakers His actions are righteous because He is righteous. This is illogical for us because our understanding is not large enough for God. Trying to explain his Holiness along with morality is trying to explain His existence outside of time along with His creation of time. Illogical along with natural wonders in this world. I can give the simplest of examples in exodus: God says He is a jealous God yet in the same set of commandments we are told not to envy.
jeanniefavela 1 year ago
The thing is I CANNOT be sinless in God's eyes. Merely existing as a human (of which God forced me to be) forces me commit sin. Why should I jump through hoops to seek forgiveness for merely existing?
BeekersSqueakers 1 year ago
@BeekersSqueakers Envy is wanting what isn't ours. What exist in this universe that doesn't belong to God? We can't hold the same logic for God that we use on ourselves. Classic case of shifting the blame. We have no one to blame but ourselves for our own conscious decisions. Even though we can not refuse to be human God has given us a gift. A gift in which we can be sinless like Him. A gift which is not forgiveness and nothing we can do to earn or keep this gift.
jeanniefavela 1 year ago
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BeekersSqueakers 1 year ago
Great video. Thanks for sharing.
Peace777ful 1 year ago
beautiful. The lord is so real... PRAISE HIS GLORY!
SunnyLovetts 1 year ago 6
true, true !!!!!!! really great video i love Sproul :D
hummesz 1 year ago
Man ate from the Tree of Knowledge long ago and now science want's to make gods of Men in this knowledge via science by limiting it with laws, principles and set rules. Science if truly fluid would be all of current theories only, but it is not. Science forces you to have faith in it but God only asks faith from you.
WILLTHEWGMAN 1 year ago
@WILLTHEWGMAN You seem to believe it's either a choice between science or religion. The two have nothing to do with one another. Science does not make ethical rules or laws. A scientific "law" is not what you think it means.
padraigomairtin 1 year ago
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WILLTHEWGMAN 1 year ago
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My only point one faith can not disprove another faith. Both of are of faith. Well, one can but only time will tell.
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padraigomairtin 1 year ago
@WILLTHEWGMAN Not true. Science does not require you to believe in the absence of convincing evidence. Religion is the opposite. Remember the story of doubting Thomas. Thomas is castigated for wanting evidence to support an outrageous claim [resurrection]. The others who blindly believe without question are praised. Religion tries to instill this mentality in people to facilitate manipulation. It is not possible to believe without suspending reason.
padraigomairtin 1 year ago
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Once science made set rules, laws and principles, it no longer could be called knowledge because knowledge has no set rules in any form, knowledge is fluid and because all of science is not ALL theory, they are no longer the same. Science in this regard is no longer the study of knowledge because with any set principles, it limits further new knowledge from challenging it without changing it's laws. If it's laws can change, they are not fixed laws.
WILLTHEWGMAN 1 year ago
All Atheist, come debate me please... you will be surprised to find that your science is only a man-made religion of faith in today's knowledge.
Science is a man-made religion of faith in today's knowledge.
WILLTHEWGMAN 1 year ago 9
@WILLTHEWGMAN The Aztecs were religious. They made human sacrifices to the "Gods" of wind and rain etc. Something to think about......
Sidowse 1 year ago
"God is dead" -Nietzcshe
Gaussdxdydz 1 year ago
@Gaussdxdydz Nietzcshe didn't die for you... "How shall you escape if you neglect so great a salvation"
ingridrbar 1 year ago
@Gaussdxdydz "Nietzcshe is dead" -God
Sanosuke18 1 year ago
@WILLTHEWGMAN How does testable, provable, reproducible evidence take "faith" to follow? How is intellectually honest, skeptical inquiry a "religion"?
TheHigherVoltage 1 year ago
@TheHigherVoltage
If science can be self correcting; in that new science can prove old science wrong, when do we know for sure when science is ever right? Science always fails to explain the need in mankind for philosophy or why it dominates laws of man and the science of evolution is ignored. Animals have no moral expectations even if science claims humans as just another evolved animal. Love, hate, good, evil & crime itself has no scientific meanings but who can deny these things exist?
WILLTHEWGMAN 1 year ago
@WILLTHEWGMAN The strength of science is it's ability to refine it's conclusions - the testable evidence doesn't change. Science does not fail to explain the need for philosophy - it's rooted in it! The philosophical questions of "hows and whys" only advance towards the real truth - through evidence produced by the scientific method.
TheHigherVoltage 1 year ago
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@WILLTHEWGMAN To claim that "animals have no moral expectations" - is ignorant of reality.
I've seen a penguin mother steal another's baby when their's died - and watched the flock separate the baby from the thief and return it to the rightful mother. I've seen parents ignore self-preservation instincts and sacrifice their lives protecting their offspring. I've seen dozens of different species grieve over their dead.
TheHigherVoltage 1 year ago
@TheHigherVoltage
Empathy is not found in animals but only mankind; Solders can have empathy for killing their enemies even to only survive themselves. Hunters can have empathy when they kill their game even for only the necessity to eat. But does an animal have empathy for it's game ever? Does an animal have sympathy for the animal it kills to eat or the babies of the animals that no longer have a mother? A man can chose to stare to death in order to feed a stranger,can an animal do this???
WILLTHEWGMAN 1 year ago
@WILLTHEWGMAN "Empathy is not found in animals but only mankind;"...so...
you've studied every animal on the planet? You'd have to to make that statement from a position of honesty.
For me to state "I've observed several animal species exhibit the spectrum of emotions including empathy, love, loss, fear, grief, anger and even employ a sense of justice in their social workings." - I do so from first hand experience.
Do some freaking research! You're argument is from a lack of knowledge.
TheHigherVoltage 1 year ago
@TheHigherVoltage
I will ask you 3 main questions about animal empathy. Do they have empathy for the animals they kill to eat, their game? Can an animal chose to starve to death in order to feed another animal that it is not a family member or part of it's group? Does an animal posses the logic of moral conviction and freewill to chose such things as found in mankind?
WILLTHEWGMAN 1 year ago
@WILLTHEWGMAN your 3 main questions are ludicrous. I have no idea the limits of animal empathy/thinking and neither do you. What I do know is that many animal species display the same emotions humans do. Empathy included.
You're argument is provably false with less than 2 hours of actual research into what you think you know.
TheHigherVoltage 1 year ago
@WILLTHEWGMAN "But does an animal have empathy for it's game ever?" I don't know. And neither do you. What I do know is several species display empathy towards sick and dying members of their group and towards their younglings. I've seen animals console each other.
You should actually do some research before making blanket statements that are provably wrong. Watch a documentary on animal behavior for crying out loud.
TheHigherVoltage 1 year ago
@WILLTHEWGMAN "Love, hate, good, evil & crime itself has no scientific meanings but who can deny these things exist?"
Emotions are chemical peptides. There's nothing mystical about them.
Good and evil are subjective. What's good to one is evil to another. Lemme pull a Godwin here - Nazis - they thought themselves good and were doing "the Lord's work". Now we call them evil - if they had won, we'd be calling them good.
Is the 'War on Terror' good or evil? Depends on the perspective.
TheHigherVoltage 1 year ago
@TheHigherVoltage
Is your self-awareness and consciousness as an individual and all feelings of emotions like love, hate and cognition of morality more you than your physical body? If you as an Atheist believe that they are one in the same then all of these things as in "love.." are merely biological delusions without any real meanings.
How do you as an Atheist give logical credence to falling in love or the evil of someone murdering a child within these delusions of "chemical peptides"???
WILLTHEWGMAN 1 year ago
@WILLTHEWGMAN #1 I'm not an Atheist. #2 if self-awareness and consciousness and feelings were more than our physical bodies, then electroshock, lobotomies and major head trauma would not drastically alter personality - yet they provably do. Your premise is falsified by the known evidence.
And you still don't understand nature : Explain why were are not the only species that pair bonds? explain why people fall out out love? (CONT)
TheHigherVoltage 1 year ago
@TheHigherVoltage
Never heard of anyone's self-awareness or consciousness as an individual even being effected by even full amnesia, as a matter of fact, the first think one ponders is "who and I". This question validates they still have self awareness! Never heard that one is not able to love ever again. You can forget your human history and knowledge of course. With all this said, the soul is to a brain as a DOS/Windows platform is to a hard-drive. Evil=virus and God is the anti-virus...
WILLTHEWGMAN 1 year ago
@WILLTHEWGMAN I never mentioned amnesia because it has no relevance - I pointed out the known catalysts for radical personality changes. And really, if self-awareness is mystical and not physical, why then are we not aware when we're asleep (and not in REM) or unconscious?
God myths are the virus - provable lies demanding they're truth.
Intellectual honesty has always been the cure.
TheHigherVoltage 1 year ago
@TheHigherVoltage
Physical and emotional experiences can effect ones personality and they do everyday. The only difference is that I see this as proof of a soul and you see it as lack of proof.
It is not known for sure if we only dream in REM state while sleeping and can't be known because of the timing... How would we know when someone is dreaming or not?
You claim; "#1 I'm not an Atheist"
What are you?
WILLTHEWGMAN 1 year ago
@WILLTHEWGMAN Let me clarify my position : I'm Agnostic. I don't know if there's god(s) or not. What I do know is that if - IF - a Creator God exists, biblegod is not it, and if Jesus was real, he was just a man.
Jesus is a provable amalgamation of many earlier mythologies tracing all the way back to the Sumerians.
I know this because I've read the bible. And the qur'an, the tripitaka, the vedas and an ongoing list of philosophies. I know that none are from - or about - any real gods.
TheHigherVoltage 1 year ago
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@TheHigherVoltage
What "earlier mythological figure" was persecuted by His own people, died for all mankind's sins and rose again from the dead? Which one taught. "he without sin cast the first stone, love your enemy, turn the other cheek..." These are the foundational principles in the Christianity and no where will you find such mythology as this in the history of mankind. The teachings of Jesus are not some philosophy made-up by mankind, they are the philosophy of God Himself!!!
WILLTHEWGMAN 1 year ago
@TheHigherVoltage
You claim; "Jesus is a provable amalgamation of many earlier mythologies.., I've read the bible.., ongoing list of philosophies.."
From what "myths" did these main principles of Christianity come from; That God come down to earth as a man, was persecuted and put to death by his own people even without sin Himself to forgive all mankind's sin, then rose from the dead. What philosophy of man teaches; he without sin cast the first stone, turn the other cheek and love your enemy?
WILLTHEWGMAN 1 year ago
@WILLTHEWGMAN God/god-son/savior/heaven/hell/judgment/12 apostles/crucified/born on the winter solstice, died/rose on the spring equinox : earliest I've found was Horus. There were dozens of known variations for at least 3000 years before Jesus supposedly lived... and dozens known to exist around his supposed time and region.
I've traced the "love thy neighbor as yourself" philosophy as far back as Buddha, 500 BC.
You're arguing from a lack of knowledge. Do some research.
TheHigherVoltage 1 year ago
@TheHigherVoltage
"Horus" did NOT was NOT: A Savior, Crucified, Resurrected, Ascended / Descended, Have 12 Apostles or have anything to do with Divine Judge!!! "Horus" was not even born and did not even die, he was a myth!
Just because you read an Atheist book from 1875 does not make you some historian. Crucifixion is not a myth but a real method of death and yes, used in some forms for prior to Jesus, so what?
"Love your neighbor" is very far from "love your enemy" and I listed others...
WILLTHEWGMAN 1 year ago
@WILLTHEWGMAN According to the ancient Egyptian religions, that's EXACTLY who and what Horus was. Archeology shows he was worshiped for more than 3500 years as a savior and key to life in the underworld. Do you know anything at all about other religions? Anything at all about religions that existed before yours?
As far as I'm concerned, Horus obviously never existed - but he was sold as if he did. No different than the Jesus myth today.
TheHigherVoltage 1 year ago
@TheHigherVoltage
You are quoting long disproved information that was fabricated by known atheists or cults in both the 1400s and late 1800s. The myth about "Horus" never claimed such things. There is not one myth prior to the life of Jesus which states a "savior" was "crucified". All myths that incorporate such a concept did so or were altered in order to mimic Jesus after 100 AD. The myth of Horus never even claims that he was born or died...
WILLTHEWGMAN 1 year ago
@WILLTHEWGMAN So far you've demonstrated your lack of knowledge concerning animal behavior - yet make provably false blanket statements about the subject. And now you're making provably false blanket statements about ancient religions to back provably false claims.
You actually think that Egyptians, Sumerians, and everyone else - dug up their dead religions, edited the mythologies to mirror Jesus, then reburied them???
Lemme guess - you also believe the devil planted trillions of fossils.
TheHigherVoltage 1 year ago
@TheHigherVoltage
It is this simple.. Please name which mythical god's story line claimed that they were a "savior" that was "crucified" and not one that one incorporate such a concept after 100AD....????
Also, what living historian claims such a thing and what document is this claim made in????
Stating something personal about me is irrelevant.
WILLTHEWGMAN 1 year ago
@WILLTHEWGMAN Horus - cruciform savior - as verified in the Pyramid Texts, the Coffin Texts, the Book of the Dead and literally hundreds of surviving hieroglyphic texts still surviving on temple and pyramid walls. It was their religion - and it lasted for at least 4500 years - leaving tons of evidence.
Who supports what I say? Pick any professor of Egyptian mythology or archeology. Or hey - here's a thought - why not actually do some research yourself?
TheHigherVoltage 1 year ago
@TheHigherVoltage
LOL, you state Horus "died". I cant find a claim that within the myth that Horus even had a "death", much less was "crucified"!
Look, there is NO professor, archeologist or historian that claims such things for 100% certainty!
All I am asking you to do is to back up your claims with evidence, not more baseless claims. I can not refute a claim without knowing what your bases is for it... You should not even have a claim without having a bases for it. This is Logic 101
WILLTHEWGMAN 1 year ago
@WILLTHEWGMAN Wow. Just wow. Logic 101? OK man, let's reset all this to your original statement : "Science is a man-made religion of faith in today's knowledge."
On what logical basis/evidence do you make this claim?
TheHigherVoltage 1 year ago
I have explained this... how come you rarely answer my questions when I have to repeat mine answers to you? Why is it that you change the subject in lieu of providing proof in your claims? I even have a video on this subject with many comments and a very long description.
Here is the short of this again; If the science of today can be proven in error anytime tomorrow via new science, how can not faith play a major part in one accepting any truth in science today? See the video for more info.
WILLTHEWGMAN 1 year ago
@WILLTHEWGMAN Science is a skeptical pursuit of knowledge. That's all. At the start of that pursuit is a "hypothesis" - an educated guess. If anyone wants to call an unproven hypothesis "true" - that takes faith...and it's no longer science.
A proven, peer-tested hypothesis eventually becomes a "theory" - meaning - no known scientific data we know of discredits it. It doesn't take faith to state a theory - it takes a mountain of evidence for - and no evidence AT ALL against it. (CONT)
TheHigherVoltage 1 year ago
@WILLTHEWGMAN Scientists do not call scientific theories "absolute fact" - even though no evidence refutes it yet. Still no faith required to follow the facts - or to back a theory that it supports - because once again - facts are facts - no faith required - just an understanding of the facts.
Eventually scientific theories become LAW. Still no faith required. It's just factual reality.
Now, take the big bang theory. We KNOW (not have faith in) the universe is expanding from a central(cont)
TheHigherVoltage 1 year ago
@WILLTHEWGMAN point. We KNOW this is absolute fact - no faith required. If you think I could be wrong, study red-shift. But just because we can prove the universe is expanding from a central point - doesn't mean any theory of the big bang is absolute fact - and anyone who claims any big bang model is "true fact" is not a scientist - they are operating faith - not science.
This is probably a poor example of why faith is not used (or required) in understanding science..but maybe you'll get it.
TheHigherVoltage 1 year ago
@WILLTHEWGMAN Your statement "If the science of today can be proven in error anytime tomorrow via new science, how can not faith play a major part in one accepting any truth in science today?" - is a gross misunderstanding and misrepresentation of science.
When science calls something a LAW or a FACT - it doesn't change - it's 100% provable. The earth is round - a 100% provable scientific fact.
Do you think it takes faith to believe this scientific fact is truth?
TheHigherVoltage 1 year ago
@WILLTHEWGMAN ""Love your neighbor" is very far from "love your enemy" and I listed others..."
Read the Trapitika - love your enemy is in there too. Read Greek philosophy. Almost everything attributed to Jesus was provably first said by multiple other sources - centuries (and in some cases millenia) before Jesus supposedly existed.
Ignorance of history is not a defense.
TheHigherVoltage 1 year ago
@WILLTHEWGMAN And I'm curious - do you actually believe an omnipotent god required himself to kill himself to appease himself for the things we do? Do you actually believe the bible claim that the ONLY unforgivable sin is disbelief?
According to the bible, a person can commit every human atrocity possible - and still get to a paradise heaven - if they believe in the scapegoat mythology of Jesus before they die. How in your mind is this divine justice? What about the victims?
TheHigherVoltage 1 year ago
@WILLTHEWGMAN (CONT) With regards to murdering a child being evil - please explain why Jesus (as old testament god) ordered parents to kill disobedient children and ALL non-believers - including their babies? "be happy while dashing their little ones against the rocks" doesn't sound moral to me.
The Old Testament is filled with kids being sacrificed to - or slaughtered because Jesus ordered it. Yet you claim it's always evil? That makes your Jesus evil.
TheHigherVoltage 1 year ago
@TheHigherVoltage
Jesus did not enter into life as a man on Earth until after the old testament. You claim to know the Bible but trying and quote it part and parcel without faith is a Major error on your part! Christians have never killed disobedient children nor has this ever been any part of Christian doctrine. Jesus was not religious but instead preached against the religious dogmas of His days. You can't name anything evil that Jesus did because He was without sin!!!
WILLTHEWGMAN 1 year ago
@WILLTHEWGMAN #1 I was a Christian for almost 20 years - an Apologist for 2 years. If you're going to claim faith helps interpretation - there's 35,000+ "faithful" registered Christian sects that prove you wrong.
#2 Just because you claim Jesus is without sin doesn't mean anything. Arguably, he disobeyed his mother when he went to the temple as a kid; he lost his temper with the moneychangers; with his last words, he himself lost faith in God "Father! Why have you forsaken me?"
TheHigherVoltage 1 year ago
@TheHigherVoltage
The Bible claims Jesus is without sin and I have faith in the Bible. If you no longer believe in the Bible or God why must you debate others that do? Do you debate others about what is the best color, black or blue? You understand the meaning of faith, right? There is no more scientific evidence that faith is any less real than love but I bet you would never claim love is not real.
WILLTHEWGMAN 1 year ago
@WILLTHEWGMAN You said : "If you no longer believe in the Bible or God why must you debate others that do? " Look at your comment at the top...it's you saying "All Atheist, come debate me please."
I gotta say it man...epic failure.
TheHigherVoltage 1 year ago
@WILLTHEWGMAN "If science can be self correcting; in that new science can prove old science wrong, when do we know for sure when science is ever right?"
Are we sure the earth is round? Are we sure our cells divide? Are we sure electricity can produce magnetism and vice versa? Are we sure radio waves propagate?
Now let me turn that around - what makes you think anything in any religion is right? What evidence do you have any religious belief is true?...and faith is not evidence.
TheHigherVoltage 1 year ago
It's true. Jesus saves sinners - like me.
karlmahlmann 1 year ago
Thank you .
God's blessings alinck
koolmom21 1 year ago
Excellent video. Well done! 5*****
Jesus is the ONLY WAY!
koolmom21 1 year ago
God has given us many saviors, but they're all of one way. "Whatsoever you do to the least of my people, that you do unto me." Jesus said, because his people are of his spirit and for whosoever they light the way, so does he.
IrreducibleParadox 1 year ago
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Here is the Calvinist translation of John 3:16
For God so loved the elect, that He gave His only Son, that whomsoever He had chosen to not perish but have eternal life should believe in Him. For God sent His Son to condemn the world, and to save the elect.
calvinismisacult 2 years ago
You have it all wrong. My God Dave McDaniels is the only way to God. If you don't believe in him then your soul will burn forever. Gosh people, wake up! I mean really! How can you not see that my way is the only right way and if you don't follow me, you're goona burn in hell!
Brine1206 2 years ago
whos dave mcdaniels?
DCYPL1OF1YESHUA 1 year ago
I'm being facetious my friend. Only a fool would claim that their way is the only way. It would be nice if religious folk would try and convert the masses by lving up to their faith themselves and being good examples to the rest of us. Instead, they tend to make faulty assertions and look down upon others who don't see the world as they do.
Brine1206 1 year ago
lol.. well heres a start.. i dont treat my "friends" facetiously and i dont call them fools..
DCYPL1OF1YESHUA 1 year ago
ok....don't take it to heart....it really doesn't matter.......funny old story here (not verbatim) 3 blind men, 1 elephant. 1 man grabs the tail and proclaims, "an elephant is like a rope." 1 man grabs the trunk and says, "no, you're wrong, an elephant is like a snake." 1 man grabs a leg and says, "no, you're both wrong, an elphant is like tree trunk." On their own levels they're all right and all wrong.
Brine1206 1 year ago
THATS CLEVER, buuuut, u cant compare a subject SO important to an elephants anatomy..
DCYPL1OF1YESHUA 1 year ago
sure I can....the poem below states the point of the story rather well........it has nothing to do with the elephant!
Brine1206 1 year ago
YAHH I READ IT.. is that how david mcdaniels would want you to act though?..
DCYPL1OF1YESHUA 1 year ago
Yup. May peace be with you. May your faith inspire you to do great things for yourself and for all men. May you never be inspired to impose harm upon another in the name of your faith. May God reveal Himself to you and "make you a subject of Thy peace." Goodnight.
Brine1206 1 year ago
hey praise God my brother, i appreciate the blessings.. i pray ypu receive the revelation of your redemption through Jesus.. and keep up that rudyard kipling stuff, it sounds good.. SHALOM..
DCYPL1OF1YESHUA 1 year ago
"O how they cling and wrangle, some who claim
For preacher and monk the honored name!
For, quarreling, each to his view they cling.
Such folk see only one side of a thing"
Brine1206 1 year ago
"The Kingdom of God is within you and all about you, not in buildings of wood and stone. When I am gone, split a piece of wood and I am there; lift a stone and you will find me." .......sounds quite pantheistic....from the gospel of Thomas which was thrown out of the bible during the Nicean Council... Why? Did God appoint these men as his official editors? Men speak for God and limit Him, defining Him in the image of their own beliefs and kill in His name, God becomes the mis
Brine1206 1 year ago
shapen product of man.
Brine1206 1 year ago
Do you know any Christians who have killed in God's Name? If so, I'd like to meet them, and give them a stern talking-to. :b
studentofthegospel 1 year ago
@studentofthegospel It is so nice that we now agree with each other. Even though I am an atheist I do accept the teaching of Jesus in Matthew 22:34-40 because it is an absolutely moral position. My problem is with fundamentalist Christians and Muslims who believe that you cannot criticize any aspect of the Quran or Bible. Jesus actually invites us to do so when he says that the prophets and laws are subordinate to his two laws.
padraigomairtin 1 year ago
As regards Christians killing in God's name: I can think of the Spanish inquisition, the Crusades, The wars of religion that came from the Reformation. I could go on...
padraigomairtin 1 year ago
I asked him if he knew any Christians... Not if he knew OF any Christians. And those two Laws are subordinate to nothing... they are the fulfillment. They are the summary, the Divine intention behind the Law and the Prophets.
studentofthegospel 1 year ago
That's what I said the two laws are subordinate to nothing but all other laws and prophets are subordinate to them two laws. Like I said, we agree. As regards Christians killing in God's name - I guess it is not an option for someone who follows the two laws but that has not stopped people in the past and will no doubt not stop them in the future.
padraigomairtin 1 year ago
The present is not subordinate to the past, it is dependant only in that the two are connected. If a single law is broken, then all the law is broken. I'd also ask you to do some research into the Crusades... they're not what they were commonly believed to be. The inquisition, however, fills me with rage. I submit that even a Christian who kills is doing so apart from the will of God. But we are not perfect... He is. And you have seen that perfection in the "golden rule."
studentofthegospel 1 year ago
naahh, wasnt it the "gospel" of thomas that also said a woman had to become a man in order to inherit the Kingdom?.. thats not the God of the Bible..
DCYPL1OF1YESHUA 1 year ago
Great Video.Blessings Jesus Is Lord!
ZMAN44708 2 years ago
This video is so narrow-minded in its rejection of other equally absurd religions. It can be easily demonstrated that the Bible is the work of man and it's values must be placed in historical context. You would not need to do this if it were a divine work. Therefore we cannot know what the "Law of God" is that man has supposedly rejected.
padraigomairtin 2 years ago
To padraigomairtin:
If you KNEW the Bible, you would see that it is far more than anything man could have contrived. But you don't know the Bible, so you don't see that.
Because God is perfect, He is perfect in justice. Legal problems needed to be solved before God could just forgive man. Unlike Allah, God will not forsake justice to forgive anyone, hence the need for the work of Jesus Christ on the cross to make God just when forgiving sins.
That is why Christ is the ONLY way to God.
MandrewP 2 years ago 2
MandrewP (love the name by the way; sounds like a gay porn star). The Bible is clearly man-made. Slavery is now considered an abomination. You will find no passage in the bibe instructing christians to free slaves. You will find lots of support for slavery. The authors of the bible did not wish to undermine the Roman economy so as far as they were concerned economics trumps morality. That is wrong but very human and certainly not divine.
padraigomairtin 2 years ago
That was definitely a theory you came up with all by yourself. Your right though in that the Bible does promote slavery. But it also did so in the OT which is way before Roman times, so you're way off on that one. But it also promotes fair treatment of slaves. I'm not going to justify the Bible because it does not need to be justified. It is what it is. God also promotes slavery. The Bible calls us slaves of Christ. A God who transcends reality is not bound to your perception of morality.
dominicano0226 1 year ago
But the New Testament does promote slavery. Saint Paul enjoins slaves to "be subject to your masters" Look at 1 Timothy 6:1-2 and tell me there is not a moral breakdown in the Bible. If you are going to use the Bible as your exclusive moral guide, because you claim it is the word of God, then you do indeed need to explain the New testament's support for slavery. 2+2 does indeed equal 4 but the bible says it is 5, 6 or even 7 because the truth is this; enslavement can never be justified.
padraigomairtin 1 year ago