Persona 2: Innocent Sin (Part 39): Shadow Lisa

[antitank01]

i mean, they even brought it back in P4.

[antitank01]

i wonder why they scrapped the shadow self idea in P3. i mean, it seemed to work pretty darn well in P2.

[pitchdark5]

It could be considered that all of the Shadow Sides are actaully just avatars for humanity's collective Shadow....

In a way... ( if acidentally) He's getting them to overcome their flaws.

[SinnerBeta]

Word of note: "compensated dating" doesn't USUALLY involve sex, plus she's a minor. Plus you know, it's a Shadow and Shadows are dicks.

[ShinigamiSparda]

Ah, so here's the rumored possible homosexual relationship option that I read about that was removed from the english version. I had completely forgotten about until now.

[Graynumber]

@ShinigamiSparda In the only official English version of the game, the options to pick Eikichi and Jun are still there.

[XxTurtleTommyxX]

wait wait wait wait....she whored herself out to old men?

[neneka]

aww i feel bad for lisa at the same time what pushed her to rebel and be the bad girl is her daddy issues and other things but the point is now she's changing for the better

[RagingPheonixHikaru]

Hahaha... Joke..... Right....

[Sarcredsleuth]

......W-why does this game reference child-whoring? WHY IS THIS DIFFERENT FROM P3 AND P4 AHHHHH I DON'T LIKE CHANGE AAAAAAAAAA

[BlueBoyX4]

@Sarcredsleuth

P3 and P4 are the change u_u

P2 came first stoopid.

[PokeEXE]

@BlueBoyX4

Pretty sure Persona: Revelations came first.

[andretatontos]

Man... Ginko and Chie are one and the same XD

[AkumaUchitoru]

Heh heh, they sure make who you choose to like easy in this game. XD Not sure if that's a good thing, since it's nice to have social links and get close to people...

[AkumaUchitoru]

"Man shadow selves are different than in P4 with the whole "I don't care if you know I'm part of you I'm still going to try and kill you" thing."

Yeah, I liked how the whole persona thing was all personal in Persona 4, but sometimes it was just kind of corny with the whole "I am the shadow, the true self" and all that stuff. They should have made it more like this.

[lalakers234]

Also, I'm surprised nobody is saying anything about the whole LisaxOldMen pairing. I think that's canonical.

[lalakers234]

They've had Hitler in games after this, as well as gay relations in games after this too. (Example: Dragon Age II, gay romance option(s). They just had to wait until the time was right.

[Wolfss2]

Hahaha this made me laugh.

-Tatsuya: Eikichi, I like you!!

-Eikichi: Ohh..

XD

[breathlessloveless]

7:23 Jun is disappoint!

[arrowcard]

these shadow selves are lot like p4 except the characters are accepting them from the get go and they still have to fight. Or should I say that the p4 shadows are a lot like p2?

[naotoshirogane1]

Please ignore the 2nd part of my post...I didn't watch the whole video before posting my comment lol ^_^;;

[naotoshirogane1]

I love TatsuyaxJun so much more than TatsuyaxMaya! Jun is the only one for Tatsuya!!!

I wonder how the reaction would come from choosing the "Eikichi, I like you!!" option... :D

[Graynumber]

@naotoshirogane1 I picked this one in the PSP version and Lisa got on me for being funny and dodging the question. Otherwise the dialog was the same.

[naotoshirogane1]

@Graynumber Haha xD

I chose Jun, but mostly because it speeds up his friendship with Tatsu (meaning another contact option)...apparently if you choose Eikichi, nothing happens ^_^"

[Dantae310]

Hmm, so they didn't release Innocent Sin to the U.S. because of the Tatsuya x Jun thing. That's lame :/ There are WAY worse things in the U.S. than two boys flirting or showing affection towards each other. Seriously, I wouldn't care what two dudes did as long as it doesn't effect me. You do you, I do me, basically. Some people are just really immature about it and it makes them look stupid. Oh, and I kinda like Maya and Tatsuya together sorta...even though its more of a familial relationship.

[prudence00]

@Dantae310

There was also the Hitler thing.

[Dantae310]

@prudence00 Oh...O.o But still, it's just a video game. How is showing Hitler going to...OK, I admit, that might offend some people, but all they have to do is not play. But hey, what can you do? Atleast there's this english translation Better than nothing I suppose.

[NeverKnowsBests]

@Dantae310

i dunno im glad there going to make a remake now for the psp

[ironwings13]

@Dantae310 lol their personae AREN't Apollo and Artemis for no reason xDD

[ShadowNinjaX3]

@Dantae310 I didn't really think Jun and Tatsuya would be together anyway.

Maya does seem more fitting.

[Anonsempai]

@Dantae310 Going to stop you right there because the realistic more REASONABLE theory here as to why it wasn't realeased into the US was because it had the whole Neo Nazism going on in it. Japan had no problem with it because of them being allied with Germany during WWII, but America was still sensitive about it and wasn't sure how people would react to the game being realeased then. BUT THATS JUST MY REALISM TALKING

[fromstart2finish]

"I am a shadow, THE TRUE SELF"

[Yeaster]

As sweet as a Maya x Tatsuya partnership is (and Maya is hands-down my favorite character in the MegaTen universe), that is a relationship that's doomed to fail. She's a 23 y/o grown woman with a career and her own place, and Tatsuya's just an 18 year old kid. There's literally nothing he can offer her on any level.

[H536917]

@Yeaster She's only 23? Wow... I always thought she was 26-27. (What with her being high schooler when she met Tatsuya, and then now which is fast forwarding 10 years)

[Nevareh]

Hey, can't we just agree that the game wasn't locaIized outside of Japan for reasons that don't really hold much water?

I usually root for Tatsu/Jun, myself. The game spends way too much time setting that up and going on and on about how they're soul mates, two sides of the same coin, the same person deep down, one complementing the other, yada yada yada etc. etc. for me to see it differently.

[TsunaSawada]

I have seen some comments saying Maya/Tatsuya is pedophilia,but according to megamitensei.wikia.com, Tatsuya is 18 years old and Maya only 23.I don't really think that kind of relation is pedophilia or even perverted.

[ephemeralsaga]

Man shadow selves are different than in P4 with the whole "I don't care if you know I'm part of you I'm still going to try and kill you" thing. I guess there's still a lot we don't know about the characters. Onto the next video, can't wait to see what Tatsuya's shadow is like.

[Halfmorne]

Heh ... too bad P3 didn't have shadow selves ;)

[Cococrash11]

What happen when you pick ......??

[MrSteveHazzard]

Ah, everybody in the game being in love with the protagonist is proof that this is a Persona game...

[Halfmorne]

@MrSteveHazzard haha, exactly!!

[Cococrash11]

Why not show "....."? and where can I find it?

[123kats]

Maya ftw, I never use ftw, Maya is just that awesome >:o

[lollmao5]

6:45 WTF? Gay choices? I know a lot of Fan Girls that wanted this kind f choice for P4 and P3 -_-

[Puremage91694]

HOLY SHIT LISA WAS A HOOKER?!

[Yeaster]

@Puremage91694 Not quite... Supposedly, she got paid to go on dates with these men, but it was never sexual.

At least that's what they say...

[diasflac0g]

Wow, that faggot Eiliestl sure has been spamming this video...

Get over it fucking faggot. It's just a video game. Shit aint real. Now stop crying and stop spamming this page with your nonsense fag.

[rubino83]

Not to mention the fact Maya's an adult in both games, and played mother to all the teens in IS. But hey, if you want to have sex with your mother, Eilieee, let's just say it'd explain a lot.

[shinreiyhvh]

Tatsuya's 18, Maya's 22. Not too much age difference. But Maya's role as a sister/mother figure is a bit of a problem.

[Eiliestl]

@shinreiyhvh I don't see it that way ,in the the game it does hint that Tatsuya has a little crush on Maya with her making him smile/blush .

[FethShup]

@Eiliestl The game gives hints for the 3 of them (and apparently, Jun is the official couple in Innocent Sin, if the drama CDs are anything to go by). Tatsuya gets a kiss from Lisa, people often mention how close Tatsuya and Jun are, Lisa views Jun and Maya as her opponents (as you can see in this video, in which saying you like Eikichi is having her believe you're joking, the other characters being believable choices in Lisa's eyes.).

And Jun is an OPTION. Not obligatory (canon, perhaps).

[Eiliestl]

@FethShup @FethShup O.M.G Saying that it's ok to be gay is like saying it's ok to have sex with animals . It's not B.T.W . And about Maya/Tatsuya being even more perverted is just a retarded remark really . But the whole guy/guy thing is just flat out wrong in every single way. People like you are you are sick in the head. You'll and your gay friends will get whats coming to you in the end anyway.

[FethShup]

@Eiliestl I truly hope you're just trolling...

The fact that you seem to support spiritual incest, alongside with pedophilia, makes your claim "having sex with animals" slightly funny, and very hypocritical. Well, good luck with your Dark Age mindset! Hope your mother is great in bed! :)

[Eiliestl]

@FethShup

If they are gonna keep that gay stuff in there persona games then they should keep them in Japan were that race looks like a race of clones anyway.~End of Rant

[Puremage91694]

@rubino83 I'm all for the tatsuya x jun pairing, they are perfect for each other!

[Eiliestl]

Why would't he pick Maya. The In both persona 2 games you can kind of tell that he liked Maya.

[rubino83]

Yeah, it's clear in EP he liked Maya because ... ... ... [FILE NOT FOUND]

[Eiliestl]

Just stop commenting troll

[rubino83]

Die in a fire, amateur. You don't wanna go toe-to-toe with the master, greenhorn.

[FethShup]

@Eiliestl You DO realise it's thanks to homophobia that this game wasn't released out of Japan, don't you?

[Eiliestl]

@FethShup  Not everyone is into that gay crap. And I for one don't need it in my games.

[rubino83]

@Eiliestl Clearly someone doesn't play Metal Gear Solid.

[FethShup]

@Eiliestl Again, you don't seem to think negatively of this game, but you hate the idea of a relationship which was cited as one of the reasons this game wasn't released on Japan. I smell hipocresy. It's not a matter of being into "gay crap", it's a matter of marketing and dumb social laws which you seem to go by.

And honestly, Maya/Tatsuya is just (or even more) perverted than Tatsuya/Jun. A woman dating a young boy? At least Jun is of the same age.

I ship Tatsuya/Lisa, BTW.

[likeicareusewe]

@FethShup Tatsuya is 18 you stupid fuck. Pedophilia is only applicable when you mess with someone who isn't finished puberty

[FethShup]

@likeicareusewe Tatsuya, alongside with the rest of the party, regards Maya as a big sister. If you knew about Sigmund Freud, you would realize why would someone consider it pedophilia, "stupid fuck".

[likeicareusewe]

@FethShup no it isn't you fucking idiot. Hitler is the reason this wasn't released

[FethShup]

@likeicareusewe You do realize that both of them were cited as reasons the USA didn't accept this game? Both Jun's relationship and Hitler.

Please do your research before you call others "fucking idiots". It's really embarrassing.

[chocolatMouse]

:o why didn't you choose jun? he's cute xD

[Eiliestl]

@chocolatMouse

THAT"S GAY

[chocolatMouse]

@Eiliestl ... so what?

[Eiliestl]

It's gross that's what.

[chocolatMouse]

@Eiliestl ...hmm i have only one thing to say: go away you troll

[Eiliestl]

Whever chink.

[rubino83]

Seems a certain little boy is trying to get his account sealed up. =P

[Eiliestl]

It's gross that's what.

[BiomechanicalDeus]

Seems hot to me :P

[Eiliestl]

Seems disgusting to me :X

[VaatiOfDarkness]

Gasp! Eiliestl hates gay people for no logical reason!

[Eiliestl]

I never said that I hated anyone , I just think that it's disgusting.

[VaatiOfDarkness]

..."Foamy Lover"? o.o;

[rubino83]

@VaatiOfDarkness It makes perfect sense. Aphrodite, whose name means foam, was born from the spume that surrounded Uranus's severed dick when it hit the water after Cronos hacked it off. Simple as that.

[Puremage91694]

@VaatiOfDarkness it refers to Venus being born from sea-foam.