Military today what a fucking joke.At least those guys were drafted.You awful fucks join willingly.Instead of Killing innocent Mid Easterners KILL YOURSELF ITS THE ONLY HONOURABLE THING YOU WILL EVER DO.And all you Zombies playing Call of Duty and Gears of War and all that other simulated combat.WAKE THE FUCK UP.Ron Paul booed in SC because he said do on to others when conducting Foriegn Policy.Booed.This country is vile and filled with rotting dead fish smelling cancer.Im leaving it soon 4 ever
If these men knew what HONOR was they would commit suicide.TRY HARDER if at first you dont succeed.And dont fucking reproduce.And stop with all the GOD shit.Take responsibility no drugs and KILL YOUR SELF ALREADY.Because good people will just medicate you and preach to you because they value life UNLIKE YOU.IF the Military is still in 2012 in your life you are lying to yourself.You have no Honor.yOU ARE A HIRED THUG REMEMBER WHAT YOU ARE.You have no purpose.YOU ARE WILLING CANNON FODDER.
Viet Nam never got any Justice no peace just Corporations and sweat shops.America you are a grotesque nightmare and you are spreading your disease all over the world.Stop it Stop your leaders and family and friends from lying and putting there heads in the sand and you in the ground.WAKE THE FUCK UP ALREADY!!!!!!!!!!!
I feel compassion for both the perpetrators and the victims- they are all pawns, all victims of a United States military-industrial complex that has victimized all people- even Americans- to get power and gain. Those who run the USA have caused these evils, and they should answer for it.
If France had never seized Vietnam as a colony for their empire then America would never have been in Vietnam. It's a lot more complex than any of these individuals.
@Mumwaldee actually America participated in the Vietnam war because France had to give up their colony and let the Viet Minh take over their country and the Americans feared that Vietnam would become a communist country
@fuckthesenazis The vietnamese had asked America for help removing the French as early as the WWI Versaille peace talks, but Woodrow Wilson was too busy trying to get his League of Nations off the ground and needed France's support so he ignored them. They then turned to communism to free their country.
@Mumwaldee What you are saying is totally right and the historical foundation for what i said and of course you are right when you are saying that the war would have never happended if France would have staid ot of Vietnam but if you see history that way many things would be different, there wouldn't be the US, no Canada as whe know it a different Australia, Afrika and middle east and you could go on for a long time......
@Mumwaldee ....but the initial reason for the participation of the US in the war was their "fear" of a nother country becoming part of the communist "empire" thats why they supported France in their war against the Viet Minh and after France "failed" they started to fight the communists on their own; by the way sorry for my english i hope you can understand what i mean, if not feel free to ask !
@fuckthesenazis I understand what you're saying, but I think it was more about defending the Michelin rubber plantations than the threat of communism in Vietnam. The Domino Theory was ridiculous. It must have been propaganda created by the military industrial complex.
@Mumwaldee Yes i too think its ridiculus and i am also sure there would not have been more or less threat for the US with or without Vietnam being a communist country. The theory about the rubber plantations is worth a look but i thought that these where french plantations and i think i have read that the US bombed a lot of them in firefights anyway
I'm Vietnamese-American and what really pissed me off is lashing hate against Americans for this while completely ignored what the VC did to the ARVN. My parents saw one of their friends killed and intentionally raped by the VC, the VC used civilians as shields. VC targeted civilians on purpose and were killed for refusing to obey their orders. No doubt that My Lai massacre is horrible but people need to quit ignoring what the VC did and made the US as the bad guy.
@Hperman09 This documentary is about My Lai. There is no implication here that we ignore the atrocities carried out by the VC or the NVA, and it's not directly relevant to the actions carried out by the infantry at My Lai, My Khe, and Son My. Adding those sorts of caveats could constitute a rationalization. Besides, what the VC did with members of the ARVN seems a bit apples-oranges; the victims at My Lai were noncombatants.
Its not that because of this, because people make this Americans as a whole monsters and not a single mention committed by the VC. I mean all over the Vietnam video, they always criticizer the US wrong-doings without a single mention what the VC had done. It's exactly what the hippies done in Vietnam.
@Hperman09 The purpose here was to reveal what it is that happened at My Lai, what the underlying causes may have been, and what the after-effects are. Full stop. There is no pointed political message here, except perhaps to make apparent that war sucks and that ordinarily ethical ppl can turn feral under certain conditions. I understand what your trying to say, but that sort of anti-American sentiment isn't evident here, and it isn't relevant within the context of this documentary.
@Hperman09 Make up your mind. First you suggest it's anti-American, now you're saying it's pro-western. If this documentary is 'pro-western', please provide a citation of some sort indicating this.
@Hperman09 So, we're down to name-calling are we? OK shit-for-brains, try assembling a cogent response and answer the fucking question. Considering your last two responses were both so absurdly out of context, I can't say I'm terribly hopeful for you.
@Hperman09 I would further suggest that while direct comparisons of atrocities between the VC and US Army regulars may be valid from a humanistic perspective, they aren't necessarily equally valid within the context of the implicit mission of the USA in Vietnam. The US has always insisted that they occupy the moral high ground, so if we are to accept that as true, we must also accept that they are, therefore, held to higher account.
@Hperman09 I would add that the atrocities carried out by the VC at Hue, Dak son, etc., are indeed documented here on YouTube, and none of those presentations mention My Lai. Why would they?
This video is bias against the U.S. Military in general. Trained to kill and follow orders without exception. This is just completely untrue. The men interviewed who admitted that they were ordered to kill everyone knew it was an unlawful mission order before they got on the birds. There is no excuse for what they did.
It doesn't give me any pleasure to see Varnado Simpson living in torment. I can empathize with him. But at the same time, if he wasn't responsible for what he did, who was? He was a bad man and he enjoyed killing in the most brutal way. To his credit, he accepted responsibility. He deserves to burn in hell if there is one.
@ElGanaFormation I disagree. I don't think Varnardo, "enjoyed killing in the most brutal way." There are many veterans who will tell you that they killed their enemies (if you will) any way the could. Just like Varnardo said,
"That's reality. That's what war is. War in not something that, I shoot at you, you shoot at me, and we take time out; well don't shoot me here or don't shoot me there. War is war. It's killing all types of ways. And that's the reason we don't need another war."
I don't care about the sob-stories of these men "just following orders". Any man who can look an innocent child or a woman in the eyes and kill them point-blank, and in cold blood, is inhuman in my opinion.
In many ways this documentary is biased. These veterans are suffering from Post Traumatic Stress Disorder which is is a severe anxiety disorder that can develop after exposure to any event that results in psychological trauma. Not to say this event wasn't horrific in and of itself, but keep in mind, this documentary was produced by non-Americans (British) and the veterans they interviewed were severely psychologically damaged to their military service. Likewise, many of them were drafted.
@The336336336 But that's bullshit, some of the troops had the courage to refuse their orders. What's the relevance of the interviewers nationality? Your comment is weak and not thought through
@ramejkisp Which comment are you referring to? The documentary being portrayed slightly biased or Varnardo enjoying killing the villagers?
Yes, there were a few soldiers who refused to carry out the order. However, I think this documentary focuses entirely on the massacre itself taking it out of context. Several other factors were not mentioned like the fact that the Viet Cong, like the US troops, slaughtered many villagers who were believed to be helping the the US.
@The336336336 You've alleged bias, but you haven't indicated where that bias lies, cited an example, or suggested what might have motivated it. You've merely cited conditions. As for being produced by non-Americans, you seem to be suggesting that an American production would be less bias. I fail to see how a British production would necessarily be more biased than an American one. Considering the parties involved, one would think the opposite.
@The336336336 History is always bias my friend , depending on how bias it would be . The english word "history" is a combination of "his" and "story" it 's never fact or proven as clear as science . Yet I believe that because this doc was made by british it would be a lot less biased than that by American or Vietnamese ones.
thank you, government to fuck up lives. and not only the ones who are killed but the ones that live and work for you. nice fucking job. and all we have left is the tears we cry for the ones that we've lost. and the fact people manage to get away with this, and mostly you, calley, fuck you, you don't fucking deserve to continue what you are doing and i fucking hope you rot somewhere.
"I believe that God is understanding enough to welcome Vernado into His kingdom. Varnado is truly repentant for the sins of his past (like alot of GI's). God bless you, Varnado Simpson. From Marine to Soldier: SEMPER FI!"
I know the purpose, he's the one to tell us all about this dreadfull thing. So that we can remember it, and make sure it doesn't happen again... We can at least try.
ive never seen someone so damn traumatized. i feel like im sinning for feeling sorry for varnado, though what happened to him he totally deserved. its really heartbreaking shit to hear these kinds of stories.
Varnado you poor soul. I hope you found peace in death. The country you swore to serve handed you the biggest shit sandwich imaginable. What a truelly fucked up & deluded country is your USA. RIP
America has not done anthing good since after WW2, there were alot of massacre in Korea war, Vietnam war and so on. I don't pity Simpson and others GI's who have been haunted ,tortured and grives their lives for the holocust, they deserved what they got.
cowardly bastard balls were just about big enough to gun down, scalp and cut up women and children but not big enough to end his own life. No sympathy for baby-killing scum, a lot of good men had the courage to say no that day. people saying we should feel sorry for them are blind. the only person i feel sorry for is his son, same way i feel sorry for that little boy he gunned down in vietnam.
The tragedy in the end is not that Simpson committed suicide because of his memories and guilt, but that those more responsible than he for massacres like these and many others feel no guilt and have no memories.
Listen to what Simpson says at 2:13. It's real easy to call him murder it's hard to understand you are capable of the same. You don't have to feel sorry for Simpson, just don't lie to yourself. The only thing that separates you from Simpson are those 4 hours. Those of us who weren't at My Lai have no value in our judgement. War is the medium through which the evils of humanity are most loudly heard. He who unleashes war unleashes the evils of humanity, leave your judgement and hatred for him.
i don't feel sorry for any of these pigs. if some of them refused because they knew it was wrong (and lots of them knew it was wrong), so could have simpson. you want to feel sorry for the men who were all part of the raping and killing? please.
i don't feel sorry for any of these pigs. if some of them refused because they knew it was wrong (and lots of them knew it was wrong), so could have simpson. you want to feel sorry for the men who were all part of the raping and killing? please.
@karlsmith00 I have to agree with you. If any of you guys found out that your child, parent, friend, sibling or whoever close to you was raped, tortured and killed, you wouldn't feel any remorse, forgiveness and/or understanding for these people. Anyone who defends those that were part of the massacre and say "they were just following orders, they were trained to do kill" need to get their brain checked. What about the others that didn't follow orders, like Hugh Thompson?
@karlsmith00 i agree with what you say for the most part. but guilt and remorse is a motherfucker. ive made mistakes in my life that damn near killed me and it had nothin to do with rape or murder. trust me he paid for his part in the killing he didnt know peace after that. maybe he deserved it maybe he didnt. dont feel sorry for him thats fine but dont hate him cause i guarantee nobody hated him more then he hated himself.
Varnado Simpson epitomizes this: that the murderers were casualties along with those killed. I feel so sad when I see Varnado Simpson shaking his leg up and down like that because I can't imagine what horrible thoughts he gets at night, how much he WANTED to forget, but couldn't. It tears me up.
Nobody HAD to follow orders that day, it was a personal choice to rape kill and mutilate the inocent, it's happening right now, I don't feel sorry for any of these murderers, it's a pity that the victims familys can't deal with them personaly - that would have been some scant justice.
A testament to the brilliance of America's shining military past. What really astonished me was the reaction of the public. How could some of you American's support Calley despite all the evidence? If I lived anywhere near him, I would track him down, and hold a gun to his face so he could feel the fear he instilled in those Vietnamese, and offer him the mercy he failed to give to those people he murdered.
nothing ever changes; same mentality existe and is implemented into domestic and foreign policies; ita all about money; the top leaders in this world are destroying this planet; pure greed related industrialization from you know whos; read A Peoples History Of The United States if you are interested in learning how the country was built and the truth about guys like Columbus and this Vietnam abomnination.
'He fired at it [the baby] with a .45. He missed. We all laughed. He got up three or four feet closer and missed again. We laughed. Then he got up right on top and plugged him.'
"Peers Inquiry: Report of the Department of the Army Review of the Preliminary Investigations into the My Lai Incident".
Through his actions, Lt. Calley not only destroyed the lives of innocent men, women, and children in Vietnam, but he also destroyed the lives of his own soldiers as well.
Man...I put the suicide death of Simpson square on the shoulders of Lt. Calley. Simpson went through all that, while Calley's walking around like everything's peachy keen.
@hivelocity100 I agree! He has the look of a mass murderer if you ask me! He wouldnt look out of place in a concentration camp picking out who was to work and who was to be gassed! He should get the chair!
Yes. Whilst America was born with high hopes and fine humanitarian dieals about the brotherhood of man, the flip side of the coin was slavery and the genocide of the Native Americans. This muts have escaped Thoma Jefferson. LOL
The establishment's reluctance to punish (and therefore acknowledge and possibly learn) following the "Peer's inquiry" just shows how conceited this particular superpower really is.
The two guys who refused still give me faith in the human spirit. In the face of such horror they acted in a way I expect from soldiers. Very sad, murder seems to destroy everybody involved in it.
As an Ex Brit soldier who saw atrocities in the Balkans. I can tell you now that this is cold blooded murder and nothing else! Sad are the ones who feel sorry for the guilty, they are just murderers and nothing else. But at the same time, the boys who refused are deserving of respect.
Doubt your a vet, idiot, do you know how bad you would be punished if you didn't follow orders? Kill an enemy or get ejected and maybe even prison time...
Lol, even children and women were viet cong, that was their power, dressing as civilians. My uncle (A vietnam vet) was telling me in a small village, there were people eating, when they started to hand them chocolate, the civilians threw knives and 2 pulled out guns on them...
Pt 1 of several - I just watched this 7 part series, and feel compelled to share some thoughts that I feel are missing, to give hopefully a little clearer understanding of what American troops faced in areas like My Lai. I was a Prisoner Of War interrogator for the Army in 1968. I served in the Americal Division. I conducted field interrogations in the hamlets of My Lai, prior to March 1968, as well as with Vietnamese captured from that area, and brought into our base camp.
Pt 2 - -Here is what the Vietnamese people interviewed in this 7 part series either were ignorant of - or conveniently forgot to mention on camera. My Lai 1, My Lai 2, and My Lai 3 hamlets were CONTROLLED by the enemy. The Viet Cong and the NVA lived UNDER the hamlets (tunnel complexes) by day and conducted operations at night. Virtually any Americans who went into that general area did not leave without experiencing sniper fire, and most certainly, bobby traps of the most lethal kind.
Pt 3 - Yet when you questioned ANY let me repeat that: ANY - of the local Vietnamese people about the operations of the Viet Cong and/or the NVA in those hamlets, you ALWAYS knew what they were going to say: I know NOTHING! And here was the biggest reason WHY. The local Vietnamese living in those hamlets feared for their very lives from the Viet Cong if they "ratted" on the Viet Cong hideouts and their modes of operation.
Pt 4 of 9 - The local Vietnamese populace KNEW that if you ratted on the Viet Cong and the NVA, you would be killed by them. Well - up until Lt Calley and team came upon the scene, the local Vietnamese KNEW Americans would not kill them in cold blood like the Viet Cong and the NVA would.
Pt 5 of 9 - Thus it was TOTALLY SAFE in the minds of the local Vietnamese villagers to claim they knew NOTHING about the Viet Cong and NVA down below about 5 15 feet in tunnels very close and maybe even directly below where they were standing!
Hey what was there to FEAR by lying to the Americans, they reasoned? The Americans left the area before dark, when the Viet Cong cockroaches came out at night to plot strategies to kill more Americans. Keep something in mind here.
Pt 6 of 9 - This wasnt the way it was in JUST the My Lai area either. There were enemy strongholds in village after village; hamlet after hamlet around South Vietnam. Some areas were stronger enemy saturated than others, usually for strategic reasons.
Pt 7 of 9 - As a local Vietnamese living in those enemy controlled areas, you tried to passify the American soldiers during the day if they came to your area, which was the easiest to DO because at night when the Viet Cong and the NVA came out of hiding from underneath the ground in that very area retribution was waiting you if you ratted on their hideouts/whereabouts; etc to the very point of being murdered by them if there was so much as a HINT that you ratted on them.
Pt 8 of 9 - Least anyone get the impression that I am condoning what happened in My Lai, you are 100% wrong. But until youve walked in the shoes of a soldier - in certain areas on certain occasions - in certain conflicts where people shoot at people in the name of war I encourage one and all not to be so sure that YOU couldnt or wouldnt do things that you cant POSSIBLY imagine you are capable of doing otherwise.
Pt 9 of 9 - War is an atmosphere where evil madness (an open emotional door for insane RAGE to take over a person) can PROSPER easier than what most realize. Only a soldier in serious combat realizes that, to the fullest extent, or a policeman or policewomen when someone is trying to take them out for simply trying to enforce the law for the betterment of ones community and country.
VERY valid point -- which is one of the BIGGEST reasons WHY I have a TON of compassion for our soldiers who are willing to die for a cause 3,000 miles away from their homeland. Regarding Vietnam - those who were drafted into the military to go there is NOT the same as the volunteer military we have today. That backed up resentment can cause a TON of potential anger to get released in some very "compromising"and "stressful" situations -- especially when one's life is on the line.
We didn't slit the vagina of a kid open, it was 1 lady?
Also, do you know what they did to our captured soldiers? DO YOU EVEN KNOW? Google it, you'll be horrified, if they were vietcong, I would've been brutal to them.
@ssDaNss 'we' dont speak as if you are one of those men.
What happened to the soldiers happened, because they where soldiers. Its pretty hard to mistake a US soldier for a tourist in the mist of a battle...
However, these people had no weapons, didnt fight back and there is NO doubt that they were but farmers. the vietcong did not kill US children without weapons in cold blood after rounding them up.
It is disgusting even the thought that some people (you) would even try to justify this.
4800 mg of meds. a day; 4 times a day, everyday, that is incredible; if any of you do not think this man has suffered the punishment of self execution; consider all the factors; this is not about repenting; this is about the reality of war; and as he said, this is why we do not need another; direct this at ppl. like bush; i am not making him out to be the scapegoat for war, but think about the implications of his admins. actions; its a parallel.
RIP V. Simpson, you are most likely in a better place than here on earth; i believe in what you have said; the programming; you did some terrible things, but i respect the quote that the military forces have a provound impact on your aggression level; no one has th right to judge you unless you were there in that state of mind and awful reality.
I've service in Afghanistan and I plan to continue to stay in uniform for a while longer. I want to believe that I have enough character to ensure nothing like this would happen on my watch! Having said that, I won't judge the troopers involved in My Lai and Abu Ghraib. They have to live with their actions.
spawaritc: As a vet of Vietnam,and can say this,the actions of these soldiers SHOULD be judged,,,what would be justice,is,what they did,they should have been lined up,and mowed down with machine guns for what they did ,and you wonder why other countries hate America
As an American and Navy vetron, with over 23 years service, this was hard to watch. It's stunning that Americans are capable of committing atrocities like My Lai and Abu Ghraib. WE ARE SUPPOSED TO BE THE GOOD GUYS!
This kind of stuff happens in every war by every faction, it always did, always will. Just a question of magnitude and/or public knowledge.
Its nature of war. I know, it sounds cheesy, but its a fundamental truth. There will always be soldiers who cant handle the stress. Has nothing to do with nationality or ethnicity.
According to the UNHCR (UN High Commissioner for Refugees) estimate, at least 500,000 boat people lost their lives on their jouney for freedom, not mentioning 95,000 army officials of former South Vietnam died in "reeducation " camps established by communists.
Total Vietnamese democide by communists: 1,040,000 (1975-87)
This isn't about how evil Americans are but rather the problems w/ military training and warfare in general and the impact it has on all of us, even some of the most democratic countries w/ mostly moral ppl. I do think these men should have been sentenced harsher and that a few prob wouldnt have minded the punishment and would think they deserved it. Shocking and horrible. But at least it came out into the open and they investigated it and publicized. Those actions were at least democratic.
Despite what Varnado Simpson did, I can't help but feel sorry for him as well. He was truly haunted (killed himself in 1997) by what he did. He was just a product of war. I always find stories like the My Lai massacre what makes war so ugly. Guess there are more victims than the people who got murdered.
@bausy88 the massacre destroyed his life as well. his story is so tragic and so heartbreaking because it's connected to what happened in my lai.
from wikipedia: In 1977, Simpson's 10-year-old son was accidentally killed by a random shot fired by some neighborhood teenagers. Simpson recalled the day later by stating He died in my arms. And when I looked at him, his face was like the same face of the child that I had killed. And I said: This is the punishment for killing the people that I killed.
@bausy88 yes yes he is a victim too fs!! u cud say that about any killer!! oh he is haunted by what he done! so fuk, big fukin deal, how the fuk is he a victim too?? i hope u join him in hell u ignorant panzy!!!
I don't think Simpson was using 'war is war' as an excuse for his own actions. It was a warning that in fact war is not fought using a rule book and that it is the innocent that suffer most. There have been so many events like this through history, committed by many countries.. The soldiers were told that the people in the village were VC and they were to kill them all. I'm sure that many of the soldiers knew this was wrong when they saw the villagers. They must be given the right to refuse.
For years Simpson had lived with all his doors and windows locked and shuttered. After three unsuccessful attempts, he committed suicide in his home in May 1997 at the age of 48 with a shotgun blast to the head.[4]
Wrong, I would have been Hugh Thompson. There was over 100 people in charlie company and only about 24 took part. I once walked up to a guys house to date his daughter, and noticed he kept 3 pigs in a small cage in which they could barely turn around, so I asked him to move them and he didnt so I beat him up. Now if Im going to do something like that for a simple pig, I wouldnt have taken part in this. Only less intelligent people took part that day, you would have been part of that group
What a truly awful story. I'd never heard of the My Lai massacre until I read a piece about the forthcoming Oliver Stone Movie - Pinkville.
I think there's something commendable in Varnado's admission of his part in the massacre. At least he acknowledged what he did, which is more than can be said for the others who were there that day and who played their part, but who haven't come forward and expressed remorse for what they did.
this guy still deserves respect, especially considering how hes owning up to and attempting to live with what he did.
hes a victim of mccarthyism and republican ignorance that caused america to wage war in vietnam. i dont care what you say. 50,000 GIs died for nothing but the pride of a few presidents and a misinterpretation of communism.
and this guy in the video did end up finally killing himself. a true tragedy.
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This guy deserved to die, and he killed himself most likely because of drug problems (Like most people who kill themselves). He was a druggie who uses MyLai as an excuse to continue his prescriptions.Even if Im wrong, hes still a piece of crap.He still trys to justify it, "thats war". Well there was plenty of people there that went through the same exact training as him, and were there with him who did not take part in it. There was 2 types of people that day, those who chose and those who didnt
The tricky part is the military training. Sure, many soldiers refused to follow orders but some minds are more susceptible to conditioning than others. If you grow up in an environment of strong morals, chances are even the risks of disobeying orders will stop you from murder. However, not everyone is the same. They may have known it was immoral but if the military conditioning is strong enough, it's hard to say if they would think they had a choice.
@Balian49 misinterpretation of communism? where the did u get ur facts?! Communists in Poland, China, South America and all around the world were putting innocent ppl in prisons, labor-camps, raping, torturing and murdering millions of ppl! Every single day starting 1917 thru 1968 till present day. They also used feminine to exterminate millions of ppl at once- like in Ukraine. It set back some parts of world 50yr back in development. Read history book first before stating such a BS.
@axelwww27 you need some reading too american "world savior".. the philosophy of communism has nothing to do with the regimes you talk about.. communism is an humanitarian,utopian philoshophy its just to fucking complicated and impossible to be applied in real life.it exists just for questioning our current "society" to force it to improvement by questioning itself,it exists to preserve freedom of thought (in its unfalsified form of course).And that comes from a non communist.
@Balian49 his daughter died of meningitis later. he committed suicide in 1997. he still deserves respect.
men can become killing machines when placed in the "right" situation. at the end of the day, human beings are still mammals, animals. the animal instinct is in us all, only suppressed.
americans cant help it if they are stupid or a bunch of ignorant fools.. they were programmed since birth.
if this is what those kids see on tv, do you think it would encourage more recruits..? no.. or maybe theyll just make the commercials & salaries for attractive.
america creates problem, then america provides "solution".. but thats the illusion.
anyone who goes against it or even questions it is already labelled as "unamerican".
ive been to america, and found americans to be fantastic open welcoming people. its true though that their media is totaly fucked and a lot of them have a skewed conception of what is going on overseas due to media missleading them.
Thanks Clad. As far as our govt and media goes, a general rule of mine is to not believe a fucking word they say, I dont care if its about toothpaste or international affairs. They are liars and a good chunk of our citizens know that.
Always? I beg to differ, the countries which are most in power at any given time, ALWAYS try to take over, it's been happening since Mesopotamia, right down to Britain and now the US. You of all people should know that Americans do NOT agree with the murder of civilians. I don't agree with war at all. But you should know we are not the first or last doing this sort of thing. Been going on as long as war itself. You think we're so bad wait and see if China is the next superpower.
just bcb others have done it is no excuse for evil and barbarous behavior, our nation was founded on the deaths of millions of natives and he slavery of my ancestors, it was always a terrorist state
I wouldn't say they r terroist jus i'm sayin that american has alot shame.
They cause crimes that can't even be describe the ones i hate the most is rape.
I mean if u've got the guts to hold a woman or young gurl down and stick ur piece of shit in there then i've got the rite to stab the shit out of u.
Sure many countries done this but its jus who would expect such a great country to make these crimes. Psh if american can do this than maybe its not such a great country after all.
at the end of the day deep deep dpwn they knew what they were doing but they were so nervous of mucking up for there country and being called a coward that there mind played tricks on them which is why he blanked out and why they all did
Obviously Sweden has been through war before, of course some soldiers probably raped, and murdered innocent ppl. Its war, this incident is exaggerated because it was actually documented by pictures.
I cant believe people on here are blaming America for this, it wasn't America, it was the crazy soldiers. Imagine fighting a war, where you cant distinguish members of the Vietcong and regular civilians. Imagine the frustration, they all just snapped! Its war, it happens. Do you people honestly believe that Japanese, and French soldiers didn't rape Vietnamese when they were controlling them. Please, it happens in every country.
I can give you a few examples of the wrongs of Sweden. Wasn't your entire country basically founded by vikings whose main purpose was expansion through rape and murder? What about the thirty years war where half the Roman Empire was wiped out and Sweden was at this time an Empiral power? Didn't you claim neutrality during WWII when in fact, you collaborated with Nazi Germany and the Jews, swinging whichever way to save your own asses? At some point in history non of us are sainted, huh?
It would seem that we've evolved since then. And since then we've not been in war for 200 years. We've been neutral or acted for peace. And as you said, saved our own asses. Tho in ww2 we didn't side with teh nazis, we just allowed them passage, nor did we help our neighbours when they were walked all over.
eventually he succeeded in killing himself. He really did. And all those US Americans who think that it is ok to kill, torture and rape Vietnamese, Iraquis, Afghans, Panamese, Nicaraguans, etc. because their lives are not woth anything because they aren't americans: this one was an American victim of you country's megalomania and delusions of grandeur
"His face was like the same face of the child that I had killed." Wow - this is haunting. I wonder what happened to this man, I hope he didn't kill himself.
As an ex-soldier I can not condone what they did. I can say that the vietcong were partially to blame. The American soldiers were not trained to fight a cowards war of snipers and booby traps. Before we went there we should have taken lessons learned by the British in Malaysia. They won.
Military today what a fucking joke.At least those guys were drafted.You awful fucks join willingly.Instead of Killing innocent Mid Easterners KILL YOURSELF ITS THE ONLY HONOURABLE THING YOU WILL EVER DO.And all you Zombies playing Call of Duty and Gears of War and all that other simulated combat.WAKE THE FUCK UP.Ron Paul booed in SC because he said do on to others when conducting Foriegn Policy.Booed.This country is vile and filled with rotting dead fish smelling cancer.Im leaving it soon 4 ever
jasrogg 1 week ago
@jasrogg - i might not be going anywhere.. i think WW3 is just around the corner, it looks like it,
defmanz 12 hours ago
If these men knew what HONOR was they would commit suicide.TRY HARDER if at first you dont succeed.And dont fucking reproduce.And stop with all the GOD shit.Take responsibility no drugs and KILL YOUR SELF ALREADY.Because good people will just medicate you and preach to you because they value life UNLIKE YOU.IF the Military is still in 2012 in your life you are lying to yourself.You have no Honor.yOU ARE A HIRED THUG REMEMBER WHAT YOU ARE.You have no purpose.YOU ARE WILLING CANNON FODDER.
jasrogg 1 week ago
Viet Nam never got any Justice no peace just Corporations and sweat shops.America you are a grotesque nightmare and you are spreading your disease all over the world.Stop it Stop your leaders and family and friends from lying and putting there heads in the sand and you in the ground.WAKE THE FUCK UP ALREADY!!!!!!!!!!!
jasrogg 1 week ago
@chepickle you fuckn brain damaged twat! go fuck a sheep!
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staged.
Thepatoexperience2 3 weeks ago
If you're wondering, those pills are just an antihistamine and ibuprofen... fail.
Thepatoexperience2 3 weeks ago
@Thepatoexperience2 the antihistamine is also used to short-tem anxiety relief.
GlandeeMange 2 weeks ago
I feel compassion for both the perpetrators and the victims- they are all pawns, all victims of a United States military-industrial complex that has victimized all people- even Americans- to get power and gain. Those who run the USA have caused these evils, and they should answer for it.
Infofan 4 weeks ago
americans and vietnamese are all sub humans who must be gasify
Katharer666 1 month ago
@Katharer666
So I've just burnt you talking crap in movie 4/7 and yet here you are again you ignorant piece of shit. Go jump down a well.
Thonychil 2 weeks ago
Varnado Simpson did end up committing suicide in 97'
oliveorange 2 months ago
If France had never seized Vietnam as a colony for their empire then America would never have been in Vietnam. It's a lot more complex than any of these individuals.
Mumwaldee 3 months ago
@Mumwaldee actually America participated in the Vietnam war because France had to give up their colony and let the Viet Minh take over their country and the Americans feared that Vietnam would become a communist country
fuckthesenazis 1 month ago
@fuckthesenazis The vietnamese had asked America for help removing the French as early as the WWI Versaille peace talks, but Woodrow Wilson was too busy trying to get his League of Nations off the ground and needed France's support so he ignored them. They then turned to communism to free their country.
Mumwaldee 1 month ago
@Mumwaldee What you are saying is totally right and the historical foundation for what i said and of course you are right when you are saying that the war would have never happended if France would have staid ot of Vietnam but if you see history that way many things would be different, there wouldn't be the US, no Canada as whe know it a different Australia, Afrika and middle east and you could go on for a long time......
fuckthesenazis 1 month ago
@Mumwaldee ....but the initial reason for the participation of the US in the war was their "fear" of a nother country becoming part of the communist "empire" thats why they supported France in their war against the Viet Minh and after France "failed" they started to fight the communists on their own; by the way sorry for my english i hope you can understand what i mean, if not feel free to ask !
fuckthesenazis 1 month ago
@fuckthesenazis I understand what you're saying, but I think it was more about defending the Michelin rubber plantations than the threat of communism in Vietnam. The Domino Theory was ridiculous. It must have been propaganda created by the military industrial complex.
Mumwaldee 1 month ago
@Mumwaldee Yes i too think its ridiculus and i am also sure there would not have been more or less threat for the US with or without Vietnam being a communist country. The theory about the rubber plantations is worth a look but i thought that these where french plantations and i think i have read that the US bombed a lot of them in firefights anyway
fuckthesenazis 1 month ago
The tears in his eyes are of lover!
r4rasa 5 months ago
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DorakoftheHillPeople 5 months ago
I'm Vietnamese-American and what really pissed me off is lashing hate against Americans for this while completely ignored what the VC did to the ARVN. My parents saw one of their friends killed and intentionally raped by the VC, the VC used civilians as shields. VC targeted civilians on purpose and were killed for refusing to obey their orders. No doubt that My Lai massacre is horrible but people need to quit ignoring what the VC did and made the US as the bad guy.
Hperman09 5 months ago
@Hperman09 This documentary is about My Lai. There is no implication here that we ignore the atrocities carried out by the VC or the NVA, and it's not directly relevant to the actions carried out by the infantry at My Lai, My Khe, and Son My. Adding those sorts of caveats could constitute a rationalization. Besides, what the VC did with members of the ARVN seems a bit apples-oranges; the victims at My Lai were noncombatants.
DorakoftheHillPeople 5 months ago
Its not that because of this, because people make this Americans as a whole monsters and not a single mention committed by the VC. I mean all over the Vietnam video, they always criticizer the US wrong-doings without a single mention what the VC had done. It's exactly what the hippies done in Vietnam.
Hperman09 5 months ago
@Hperman09 The purpose here was to reveal what it is that happened at My Lai, what the underlying causes may have been, and what the after-effects are. Full stop. There is no pointed political message here, except perhaps to make apparent that war sucks and that ordinarily ethical ppl can turn feral under certain conditions. I understand what your trying to say, but that sort of anti-American sentiment isn't evident here, and it isn't relevant within the context of this documentary.
DorakoftheHillPeople 5 months ago
@DorakoftheHillPeople No it's a western documentary so of course it's going to pro-western.
Hperman09 5 months ago
@Hperman09 Make up your mind. First you suggest it's anti-American, now you're saying it's pro-western. If this documentary is 'pro-western', please provide a citation of some sort indicating this.
DorakoftheHillPeople 5 months ago
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Hperman09 5 months ago
@Hperman09 So, we're down to name-calling are we? OK shit-for-brains, try assembling a cogent response and answer the fucking question. Considering your last two responses were both so absurdly out of context, I can't say I'm terribly hopeful for you.
DorakoftheHillPeople 5 months ago
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@Hperman09 I would further suggest that while direct comparisons of atrocities between the VC and US Army regulars may be valid from a humanistic perspective, they aren't necessarily equally valid within the context of the implicit mission of the USA in Vietnam. The US has always insisted that they occupy the moral high ground, so if we are to accept that as true, we must also accept that they are, therefore, held to higher account.
DorakoftheHillPeople 5 months ago
@Hperman09 you're forgetting that this documentary is specifically about Mylai, and the incidents where in. Not the VC and the whole Vietnam war.
Sharpielotr123 5 months ago
@Hperman09 I would add that the atrocities carried out by the VC at Hue, Dak son, etc., are indeed documented here on YouTube, and none of those presentations mention My Lai. Why would they?
DorakoftheHillPeople 5 months ago
They just bunch ass stupid dude that when told to "wipe out everything",those idiots literally thought kill and destroy everything.
Madeviets 5 months ago
This video is bias against the U.S. Military in general. Trained to kill and follow orders without exception. This is just completely untrue. The men interviewed who admitted that they were ordered to kill everyone knew it was an unlawful mission order before they got on the birds. There is no excuse for what they did.
markdwitt 5 months ago
best documentary ive ever seen
ramejkisp 5 months ago
It doesn't give me any pleasure to see Varnado Simpson living in torment. I can empathize with him. But at the same time, if he wasn't responsible for what he did, who was? He was a bad man and he enjoyed killing in the most brutal way. To his credit, he accepted responsibility. He deserves to burn in hell if there is one.
ElGanaFormation 6 months ago
@ElGanaFormation I disagree. I don't think Varnardo, "enjoyed killing in the most brutal way." There are many veterans who will tell you that they killed their enemies (if you will) any way the could. Just like Varnardo said,
"That's reality. That's what war is. War in not something that, I shoot at you, you shoot at me, and we take time out; well don't shoot me here or don't shoot me there. War is war. It's killing all types of ways. And that's the reason we don't need another war."
The336336336 6 months ago
@The336336336 yes yes he needed to cut peoples hands off and scalp them, just neccesity, nothing else hehe! wat a moron u are!!
tommydangerous27 5 months ago
@tommydangerous27 And I suppose you served in the military?
The336336336 5 months ago
@The336336336 no y would u suppose that??
tommydangerous27 5 months ago
@tommydangerous27 mob mentality, animal instinct. you would be ignorant to say that shit doesnt exist.
GellieTrueLew 5 months ago
I don't care about the sob-stories of these men "just following orders". Any man who can look an innocent child or a woman in the eyes and kill them point-blank, and in cold blood, is inhuman in my opinion.
TheLastCharmander 6 months ago
In many ways this documentary is biased. These veterans are suffering from Post Traumatic Stress Disorder which is is a severe anxiety disorder that can develop after exposure to any event that results in psychological trauma. Not to say this event wasn't horrific in and of itself, but keep in mind, this documentary was produced by non-Americans (British) and the veterans they interviewed were severely psychologically damaged to their military service. Likewise, many of them were drafted.
The336336336 8 months ago 3
@The336336336 But that's bullshit, some of the troops had the courage to refuse their orders. What's the relevance of the interviewers nationality? Your comment is weak and not thought through
ramejkisp 5 months ago
@ramejkisp Which comment are you referring to? The documentary being portrayed slightly biased or Varnardo enjoying killing the villagers?
Yes, there were a few soldiers who refused to carry out the order. However, I think this documentary focuses entirely on the massacre itself taking it out of context. Several other factors were not mentioned like the fact that the Viet Cong, like the US troops, slaughtered many villagers who were believed to be helping the the US.
The336336336 5 months ago
@The336336336 You've alleged bias, but you haven't indicated where that bias lies, cited an example, or suggested what might have motivated it. You've merely cited conditions. As for being produced by non-Americans, you seem to be suggesting that an American production would be less bias. I fail to see how a British production would necessarily be more biased than an American one. Considering the parties involved, one would think the opposite.
DorakoftheHillPeople 5 months ago
@The336336336 History is always bias my friend , depending on how bias it would be . The english word "history" is a combination of "his" and "story" it 's never fact or proven as clear as science . Yet I believe that because this doc was made by british it would be a lot less biased than that by American or Vietnamese ones.
kingbaodai 3 months ago
thank you, government to fuck up lives. and not only the ones who are killed but the ones that live and work for you. nice fucking job. and all we have left is the tears we cry for the ones that we've lost. and the fact people manage to get away with this, and mostly you, calley, fuck you, you don't fucking deserve to continue what you are doing and i fucking hope you rot somewhere.
Anon060 9 months ago
Karma is a bitch isn't it motherfucker.
tofusauce 9 months ago
"I believe that God is understanding enough to welcome Vernado into His kingdom. Varnado is truly repentant for the sins of his past (like alot of GI's). God bless you, Varnado Simpson. From Marine to Soldier: SEMPER FI!"
MrWINNSLAW 10 months ago
I know the purpose, he's the one to tell us all about this dreadfull thing. So that we can remember it, and make sure it doesn't happen again... We can at least try.
Fuulikesmovies 10 months ago
ive never seen someone so damn traumatized. i feel like im sinning for feeling sorry for varnado, though what happened to him he totally deserved. its really heartbreaking shit to hear these kinds of stories.
kolisionn 10 months ago
Varnado you poor soul. I hope you found peace in death. The country you swore to serve handed you the biggest shit sandwich imaginable. What a truelly fucked up & deluded country is your USA. RIP
riskygjk 10 months ago
America has not done anthing good since after WW2, there were alot of massacre in Korea war, Vietnam war and so on. I don't pity Simpson and others GI's who have been haunted ,tortured and grives their lives for the holocust, they deserved what they got.
heping10 10 months ago
cowardly bastard balls were just about big enough to gun down, scalp and cut up women and children but not big enough to end his own life. No sympathy for baby-killing scum, a lot of good men had the courage to say no that day. people saying we should feel sorry for them are blind. the only person i feel sorry for is his son, same way i feel sorry for that little boy he gunned down in vietnam.
TheJay9002 11 months ago
@TheJay9002 ur an ass
isarose1 10 months ago
@TheJay9002 and you dick are capable of the same evil.
isarose1 10 months ago
@TheJay9002 i want to see you put in his position.
GellieTrueLew 5 months ago
The tragedy in the end is not that Simpson committed suicide because of his memories and guilt, but that those more responsible than he for massacres like these and many others feel no guilt and have no memories.
BubbaGump332 1 year ago
Listen to what Simpson says at 2:13. It's real easy to call him murder it's hard to understand you are capable of the same. You don't have to feel sorry for Simpson, just don't lie to yourself. The only thing that separates you from Simpson are those 4 hours. Those of us who weren't at My Lai have no value in our judgement. War is the medium through which the evils of humanity are most loudly heard. He who unleashes war unleashes the evils of humanity, leave your judgement and hatred for him.
BubbaGump332 1 year ago
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i don't feel sorry for any of these pigs. if some of them refused because they knew it was wrong (and lots of them knew it was wrong), so could have simpson. you want to feel sorry for the men who were all part of the raping and killing? please.
galinrizov 1 year ago
i don't feel sorry for any of these pigs. if some of them refused because they knew it was wrong (and lots of them knew it was wrong), so could have simpson. you want to feel sorry for the men who were all part of the raping and killing? please.
karlsmith00 1 year ago 7
@karlsmith00 I have to agree with you. If any of you guys found out that your child, parent, friend, sibling or whoever close to you was raped, tortured and killed, you wouldn't feel any remorse, forgiveness and/or understanding for these people. Anyone who defends those that were part of the massacre and say "they were just following orders, they were trained to do kill" need to get their brain checked. What about the others that didn't follow orders, like Hugh Thompson?
MOONFACEx2 1 year ago
@karlsmith00 i'll just copy ur commnent. No one shoud feel pity for these murderers.
galinrizov 1 year ago
@karlsmith00 i agree with what you say for the most part. but guilt and remorse is a motherfucker. ive made mistakes in my life that damn near killed me and it had nothin to do with rape or murder. trust me he paid for his part in the killing he didnt know peace after that. maybe he deserved it maybe he didnt. dont feel sorry for him thats fine but dont hate him cause i guarantee nobody hated him more then he hated himself.
isarose1 10 months ago 4
Varnado Simpson epitomizes this: that the murderers were casualties along with those killed. I feel so sad when I see Varnado Simpson shaking his leg up and down like that because I can't imagine what horrible thoughts he gets at night, how much he WANTED to forget, but couldn't. It tears me up.
HufflepuffTheGreat 1 year ago
Nobody HAD to follow orders that day, it was a personal choice to rape kill and mutilate the inocent, it's happening right now, I don't feel sorry for any of these murderers, it's a pity that the victims familys can't deal with them personaly - that would have been some scant justice.
cmgill2 1 year ago
A testament to the brilliance of America's shining military past. What really astonished me was the reaction of the public. How could some of you American's support Calley despite all the evidence? If I lived anywhere near him, I would track him down, and hold a gun to his face so he could feel the fear he instilled in those Vietnamese, and offer him the mercy he failed to give to those people he murdered.
EpicNinjaGuy123 1 year ago
America needs to develop a more self forgiving soldier.
John27346 1 year ago
nothing ever changes; same mentality existe and is implemented into domestic and foreign policies; ita all about money; the top leaders in this world are destroying this planet; pure greed related industrialization from you know whos; read A Peoples History Of The United States if you are interested in learning how the country was built and the truth about guys like Columbus and this Vietnam abomnination.
savykevin 1 year ago
'He fired at it [the baby] with a .45. He missed. We all laughed. He got up three or four feet closer and missed again. We laughed. Then he got up right on top and plugged him.'
"Peers Inquiry: Report of the Department of the Army Review of the Preliminary Investigations into the My Lai Incident".
Guevaristas 1 year ago
american PIGS deserve the same thing that they caused
apresesco 1 year ago
Wow.
lilcazzar 1 year ago
karma is like a dog waiting hes owner to come home. That guy is a perfect example of it
kimpsuu 1 year ago
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nigger looked like michael jackson
tednguyen 1 year ago
Through his actions, Lt. Calley not only destroyed the lives of innocent men, women, and children in Vietnam, but he also destroyed the lives of his own soldiers as well.
vanni9283 1 year ago 24
Man...I put the suicide death of Simpson square on the shoulders of Lt. Calley. Simpson went through all that, while Calley's walking around like everything's peachy keen.
hivelocity100 1 year ago 2
@hivelocity100 I agree! He has the look of a mass murderer if you ask me! He wouldnt look out of place in a concentration camp picking out who was to work and who was to be gassed! He should get the chair!
AWMJoeyjoejoe 1 year ago
@hivelocity100 AND he owns a Jewelry store! That bastard!
picure 1 year ago
if one just looks at how America was established this is in every ounce of US history the American dream.
MrSpieldose 2 years ago 2
@MrSpeilDose
Yes. Whilst America was born with high hopes and fine humanitarian dieals about the brotherhood of man, the flip side of the coin was slavery and the genocide of the Native Americans. This muts have escaped Thoma Jefferson. LOL
Grensoorlog 1 year ago
How many more My Lai's are there ??
Past,present and future.
Very sad.
Hypocritical,power crazed bullies.
The establishment's reluctance to punish (and therefore acknowledge and possibly learn) following the "Peer's inquiry" just shows how conceited this particular superpower really is.
There a disgrace.
makthefish1 2 years ago
'Operation Cast Lead' just last year is today's My Lai. Fallujah Iraq is the My Lai of 2004.
TheParadigmShift 2 years ago
hell
makthefish1 2 years ago
dude who lost his son finally took his own life in 1997. Shot himself with a shotgun. War destroys everything Respect honurable soldiers hate war!
huggablehuggins 2 years ago
The two guys who refused still give me faith in the human spirit. In the face of such horror they acted in a way I expect from soldiers. Very sad, murder seems to destroy everybody involved in it.
huggablehuggins 2 years ago 2
hes really messed up, an that afro is somthin else, thats karma, i dont wish that upon you but its the truth
Kid4DATown 2 years ago
I do feel sorry for Simpson. He felt remorse and it still couldnt save him.
RealHipHopHere 2 years ago
As an Ex Brit soldier who saw atrocities in the Balkans. I can tell you now that this is cold blooded murder and nothing else! Sad are the ones who feel sorry for the guilty, they are just murderers and nothing else. But at the same time, the boys who refused are deserving of respect.
Programming my fucking arse.
Donksn 2 years ago 5
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Doubt your a vet, idiot, do you know how bad you would be punished if you didn't follow orders? Kill an enemy or get ejected and maybe even prison time...
Lol, even children and women were viet cong, that was their power, dressing as civilians. My uncle (A vietnam vet) was telling me in a small village, there were people eating, when they started to hand them chocolate, the civilians threw knives and 2 pulled out guns on them...
ssDaNss 1 year ago
We shouldn't have been there in the first place.
flanksteak1 1 year ago 6
Pt 1 of several - I just watched this 7 part series, and feel compelled to share some thoughts that I feel are missing, to give hopefully a little clearer understanding of what American troops faced in areas like My Lai. I was a Prisoner Of War interrogator for the Army in 1968. I served in the Americal Division. I conducted field interrogations in the hamlets of My Lai, prior to March 1968, as well as with Vietnamese captured from that area, and brought into our base camp.
NormRasmussen2 2 years ago
Pt 2 - -Here is what the Vietnamese people interviewed in this 7 part series either were ignorant of - or conveniently forgot to mention on camera. My Lai 1, My Lai 2, and My Lai 3 hamlets were CONTROLLED by the enemy. The Viet Cong and the NVA lived UNDER the hamlets (tunnel complexes) by day and conducted operations at night. Virtually any Americans who went into that general area did not leave without experiencing sniper fire, and most certainly, bobby traps of the most lethal kind.
NormRasmussen2 2 years ago
Pt 3 - Yet when you questioned ANY let me repeat that: ANY - of the local Vietnamese people about the operations of the Viet Cong and/or the NVA in those hamlets, you ALWAYS knew what they were going to say: I know NOTHING! And here was the biggest reason WHY. The local Vietnamese living in those hamlets feared for their very lives from the Viet Cong if they "ratted" on the Viet Cong hideouts and their modes of operation.
NormRasmussen2 2 years ago
Pt 4 of 9 - The local Vietnamese populace KNEW that if you ratted on the Viet Cong and the NVA, you would be killed by them. Well - up until Lt Calley and team came upon the scene, the local Vietnamese KNEW Americans would not kill them in cold blood like the Viet Cong and the NVA would.
NormRasmussen2 2 years ago
Pt 5 of 9 - Thus it was TOTALLY SAFE in the minds of the local Vietnamese villagers to claim they knew NOTHING about the Viet Cong and NVA down below about 5 15 feet in tunnels very close and maybe even directly below where they were standing!
Hey what was there to FEAR by lying to the Americans, they reasoned? The Americans left the area before dark, when the Viet Cong cockroaches came out at night to plot strategies to kill more Americans. Keep something in mind here.
NormRasmussen2 2 years ago
Pt 6 of 9 - This wasnt the way it was in JUST the My Lai area either. There were enemy strongholds in village after village; hamlet after hamlet around South Vietnam. Some areas were stronger enemy saturated than others, usually for strategic reasons.
NormRasmussen2 2 years ago
Pt 7 of 9 - As a local Vietnamese living in those enemy controlled areas, you tried to passify the American soldiers during the day if they came to your area, which was the easiest to DO because at night when the Viet Cong and the NVA came out of hiding from underneath the ground in that very area retribution was waiting you if you ratted on their hideouts/whereabouts; etc to the very point of being murdered by them if there was so much as a HINT that you ratted on them.
NormRasmussen2 2 years ago
Pt 8 of 9 - Least anyone get the impression that I am condoning what happened in My Lai, you are 100% wrong. But until youve walked in the shoes of a soldier - in certain areas on certain occasions - in certain conflicts where people shoot at people in the name of war I encourage one and all not to be so sure that YOU couldnt or wouldnt do things that you cant POSSIBLY imagine you are capable of doing otherwise.
NormRasmussen2 2 years ago
Pt 9 of 9 - War is an atmosphere where evil madness (an open emotional door for insane RAGE to take over a person) can PROSPER easier than what most realize. Only a soldier in serious combat realizes that, to the fullest extent, or a policeman or policewomen when someone is trying to take them out for simply trying to enforce the law for the betterment of ones community and country.
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kinganhvu 2 years ago
Viet Cong were at home; JIs were 3000 miles from home. Jut that.
piergiorgiocolombo 2 years ago
VERY valid point -- which is one of the BIGGEST reasons WHY I have a TON of compassion for our soldiers who are willing to die for a cause 3,000 miles away from their homeland. Regarding Vietnam - those who were drafted into the military to go there is NOT the same as the volunteer military we have today. That backed up resentment can cause a TON of potential anger to get released in some very "compromising"and "stressful" situations -- especially when one's life is on the line.
NormRasmussen1 2 years ago
Yes. JIs should have stayed home.
schwupppa 2 years ago
I agree......now all of the assasin soldiers are suffering psychological disorders;;;;;; too bad
galvanchristian 2 years ago
Is that an excuse for Raping minor Vietnamese? Slitting open vaginas of kids?
macgagan 2 years ago 4
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We didn't slit the vagina of a kid open, it was 1 lady?
Also, do you know what they did to our captured soldiers? DO YOU EVEN KNOW? Google it, you'll be horrified, if they were vietcong, I would've been brutal to them.
ssDaNss 1 year ago
@ssDaNss 'we' dont speak as if you are one of those men.
What happened to the soldiers happened, because they where soldiers. Its pretty hard to mistake a US soldier for a tourist in the mist of a battle...
However, these people had no weapons, didnt fight back and there is NO doubt that they were but farmers. the vietcong did not kill US children without weapons in cold blood after rounding them up.
It is disgusting even the thought that some people (you) would even try to justify this.
1992jamo 1 year ago 4
This guy killed himself in 1997.
nach0s 2 years ago
I dont fancy his chances of making it to heaven
BitingOsprey 2 years ago
excuse me, 1200mg, 4 times a day.
savykevin 2 years ago
4800 mg of meds. a day; 4 times a day, everyday, that is incredible; if any of you do not think this man has suffered the punishment of self execution; consider all the factors; this is not about repenting; this is about the reality of war; and as he said, this is why we do not need another; direct this at ppl. like bush; i am not making him out to be the scapegoat for war, but think about the implications of his admins. actions; its a parallel.
savykevin 2 years ago
RIP V. Simpson, you are most likely in a better place than here on earth; i believe in what you have said; the programming; you did some terrible things, but i respect the quote that the military forces have a provound impact on your aggression level; no one has th right to judge you unless you were there in that state of mind and awful reality.
savykevin 2 years ago 2
I've service in Afghanistan and I plan to continue to stay in uniform for a while longer. I want to believe that I have enough character to ensure nothing like this would happen on my watch! Having said that, I won't judge the troopers involved in My Lai and Abu Ghraib. They have to live with their actions.
spawaritc 2 years ago
I would also primarily blame the people who planned this thing and showed no real remorse after that (like Kalley).
But war trauma, orders this and that, it just takes somthing to scalp a baby and rape little girls. So yes, i also judge them.
BaVoBa 2 years ago
spawaritc: As a vet of Vietnam,and can say this,the actions of these soldiers SHOULD be judged,,,what would be justice,is,what they did,they should have been lined up,and mowed down with machine guns for what they did ,and you wonder why other countries hate America
b2flyer1 2 years ago 3
As an American and Navy vetron, with over 23 years service, this was hard to watch. It's stunning that Americans are capable of committing atrocities like My Lai and Abu Ghraib. WE ARE SUPPOSED TO BE THE GOOD GUYS!
spawaritc 2 years ago
This kind of stuff happens in every war by every faction, it always did, always will. Just a question of magnitude and/or public knowledge.
Its nature of war. I know, it sounds cheesy, but its a fundamental truth. There will always be soldiers who cant handle the stress. Has nothing to do with nationality or ethnicity.
BaVoBa 2 years ago 2
The Nanking atrocities......the F'd up human mind trancsends all ethnicities and creeds...
hivelocity100 2 years ago
According to the UNHCR (UN High Commissioner for Refugees) estimate, at least 500,000 boat people lost their lives on their jouney for freedom, not mentioning 95,000 army officials of former South Vietnam died in "reeducation " camps established by communists.
Total Vietnamese democide by communists: 1,040,000 (1975-87)
Executions: 100,000
Camp Deaths: 95,000
Forced Labor: 48,000
Democides in Cambodia: 460,000
Democides in Laos: 87,000
Vietnamese Boat People: 500,000 deaths
TOMP66666 2 years ago
You are just stupid man...were you one of boat people. Think about what people overcame not for yourself
galia226 2 years ago
TOMP66666, shit you!!! Youre trying to justify this massacre by your figure? Don't you feel any conscience to those innocents killed? Damn you.
hencura 2 years ago
This isn't about how evil Americans are but rather the problems w/ military training and warfare in general and the impact it has on all of us, even some of the most democratic countries w/ mostly moral ppl. I do think these men should have been sentenced harsher and that a few prob wouldnt have minded the punishment and would think they deserved it. Shocking and horrible. But at least it came out into the open and they investigated it and publicized. Those actions were at least democratic.
polymathforever 2 years ago
Despite what Varnado Simpson did, I can't help but feel sorry for him as well. He was truly haunted (killed himself in 1997) by what he did. He was just a product of war. I always find stories like the My Lai massacre what makes war so ugly. Guess there are more victims than the people who got murdered.
bausy88 2 years ago 50
@bausy88 who is Vernado Simpson? The guy in this vid at the start?
Guevaristas 1 year ago
@bausy88 the massacre destroyed his life as well. his story is so tragic and so heartbreaking because it's connected to what happened in my lai.
from wikipedia: In 1977, Simpson's 10-year-old son was accidentally killed by a random shot fired by some neighborhood teenagers. Simpson recalled the day later by stating He died in my arms. And when I looked at him, his face was like the same face of the child that I had killed. And I said: This is the punishment for killing the people that I killed.
Ch4M4L 1 year ago
@bausy88 yes yes he is a victim too fs!! u cud say that about any killer!! oh he is haunted by what he done! so fuk, big fukin deal, how the fuk is he a victim too?? i hope u join him in hell u ignorant panzy!!!
tommydangerous27 5 months ago
I don't think Simpson was using 'war is war' as an excuse for his own actions. It was a warning that in fact war is not fought using a rule book and that it is the innocent that suffer most. There have been so many events like this through history, committed by many countries.. The soldiers were told that the people in the village were VC and they were to kill them all. I'm sure that many of the soldiers knew this was wrong when they saw the villagers. They must be given the right to refuse.
Davidrkw1 2 years ago
Despite what that man did, it disturbs me to see someone so tortured.
ramejkisp 2 years ago
For years Simpson had lived with all his doors and windows locked and shuttered. After three unsuccessful attempts, he committed suicide in his home in May 1997 at the age of 48 with a shotgun blast to the head.[4]
oldsko0ul 2 years ago 2
Wrong, I would have been Hugh Thompson. There was over 100 people in charlie company and only about 24 took part. I once walked up to a guys house to date his daughter, and noticed he kept 3 pigs in a small cage in which they could barely turn around, so I asked him to move them and he didnt so I beat him up. Now if Im going to do something like that for a simple pig, I wouldnt have taken part in this. Only less intelligent people took part that day, you would have been part of that group
OpinionatedJerk 2 years ago
the guy should have freed the pigs then put you in the cage instead.
stillalive2007 2 years ago
What a truly awful story. I'd never heard of the My Lai massacre until I read a piece about the forthcoming Oliver Stone Movie - Pinkville.
I think there's something commendable in Varnado's admission of his part in the massacre. At least he acknowledged what he did, which is more than can be said for the others who were there that day and who played their part, but who haven't come forward and expressed remorse for what they did.
BS2Dos 2 years ago
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RIP Varnado
Hes A hero.
Frederick562 2 years ago
burn in hell vanardo
OpinionatedJerk 2 years ago
RIP Varnado and all the victims of the Vietnam war.
- a stranger from Australia
peterh2001 2 years ago 2
"Is that you John Wayne? Is this me?"
strongarm479 2 years ago
this guy still deserves respect, especially considering how hes owning up to and attempting to live with what he did.
hes a victim of mccarthyism and republican ignorance that caused america to wage war in vietnam. i dont care what you say. 50,000 GIs died for nothing but the pride of a few presidents and a misinterpretation of communism.
and this guy in the video did end up finally killing himself. a true tragedy.
Balian49 2 years ago 28
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This guy deserved to die, and he killed himself most likely because of drug problems (Like most people who kill themselves). He was a druggie who uses MyLai as an excuse to continue his prescriptions.Even if Im wrong, hes still a piece of crap.He still trys to justify it, "thats war". Well there was plenty of people there that went through the same exact training as him, and were there with him who did not take part in it. There was 2 types of people that day, those who chose and those who didnt
OpinionatedJerk 2 years ago
The tricky part is the military training. Sure, many soldiers refused to follow orders but some minds are more susceptible to conditioning than others. If you grow up in an environment of strong morals, chances are even the risks of disobeying orders will stop you from murder. However, not everyone is the same. They may have known it was immoral but if the military conditioning is strong enough, it's hard to say if they would think they had a choice.
polymathforever 2 years ago
@Balian49 This was a Democrat war, buddy.
RightXBrigade 1 year ago
@Balian49 misinterpretation of communism? where the did u get ur facts?! Communists in Poland, China, South America and all around the world were putting innocent ppl in prisons, labor-camps, raping, torturing and murdering millions of ppl! Every single day starting 1917 thru 1968 till present day. They also used feminine to exterminate millions of ppl at once- like in Ukraine. It set back some parts of world 50yr back in development. Read history book first before stating such a BS.
axelwww27 1 year ago
@axelwww27 you need some reading too american "world savior".. the philosophy of communism has nothing to do with the regimes you talk about.. communism is an humanitarian,utopian philoshophy its just to fucking complicated and impossible to be applied in real life.it exists just for questioning our current "society" to force it to improvement by questioning itself,it exists to preserve freedom of thought (in its unfalsified form of course).And that comes from a non communist.
ClitoriousCeasar 1 year ago
@Balian49 his daughter died of meningitis later. he committed suicide in 1997. he still deserves respect.
men can become killing machines when placed in the "right" situation. at the end of the day, human beings are still mammals, animals. the animal instinct is in us all, only suppressed.
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@Balian49 Yeah and I hope he's burning in hell.
wovokanarchy 1 year ago
it is the government who is to blame.
americans cant help it if they are stupid or a bunch of ignorant fools.. they were programmed since birth.
if this is what those kids see on tv, do you think it would encourage more recruits..? no.. or maybe theyll just make the commercials & salaries for attractive.
america creates problem, then america provides "solution".. but thats the illusion.
anyone who goes against it or even questions it is already labelled as "unamerican".
wake up!!!
123GentleTouch321 2 years ago
ive been to america, and found americans to be fantastic open welcoming people. its true though that their media is totaly fucked and a lot of them have a skewed conception of what is going on overseas due to media missleading them.
cladam81 2 years ago
Thanks Clad. As far as our govt and media goes, a general rule of mine is to not believe a fucking word they say, I dont care if its about toothpaste or international affairs. They are liars and a good chunk of our citizens know that.
deathshadow69 2 years ago
hehe.. someone gave me thumbs down..
that person is either really stupid, really ignorant or really loves their government and thinks that its doing good things for the people.
i sure would love to hear your oppinion on things..
123GentleTouch321 2 years ago
I can't belive these men from my country would do this killing destorying and worst of all rape.
Psh maybe america isn't as great as it sounds.
shouavaj12 2 years ago
U.S. government, WORLD'S LARGEST TERRORIST ORGANIZATION, always has been
ipwnorcs 2 years ago
Always? I beg to differ, the countries which are most in power at any given time, ALWAYS try to take over, it's been happening since Mesopotamia, right down to Britain and now the US. You of all people should know that Americans do NOT agree with the murder of civilians. I don't agree with war at all. But you should know we are not the first or last doing this sort of thing. Been going on as long as war itself. You think we're so bad wait and see if China is the next superpower.
JSS262009 2 years ago
just bcb others have done it is no excuse for evil and barbarous behavior, our nation was founded on the deaths of millions of natives and he slavery of my ancestors, it was always a terrorist state
ipwnorcs 2 years ago
I wouldn't say they r terroist jus i'm sayin that american has alot shame.
They cause crimes that can't even be describe the ones i hate the most is rape.
I mean if u've got the guts to hold a woman or young gurl down and stick ur piece of shit in there then i've got the rite to stab the shit out of u.
Sure many countries done this but its jus who would expect such a great country to make these crimes. Psh if american can do this than maybe its not such a great country after all.
shouavaj12 2 years ago
WOW im surprised and shocked at all the people commenting "it happens" the world today is FUCKED
1TOPPATOPPA 2 years ago
at the end of the day deep deep dpwn they knew what they were doing but they were so nervous of mucking up for there country and being called a coward that there mind played tricks on them which is why he blanked out and why they all did
Jordan10AFC 2 years ago
Obviously Sweden has been through war before, of course some soldiers probably raped, and murdered innocent ppl. Its war, this incident is exaggerated because it was actually documented by pictures.
julieann421 2 years ago
I cant believe people on here are blaming America for this, it wasn't America, it was the crazy soldiers. Imagine fighting a war, where you cant distinguish members of the Vietcong and regular civilians. Imagine the frustration, they all just snapped! Its war, it happens. Do you people honestly believe that Japanese, and French soldiers didn't rape Vietnamese when they were controlling them. Please, it happens in every country.
julieann421 2 years ago
"Please, it happens in every country."
I'm swedish, have a source on where sweden did this ?
Ganbacchau 2 years ago
I can give you a few examples of the wrongs of Sweden. Wasn't your entire country basically founded by vikings whose main purpose was expansion through rape and murder? What about the thirty years war where half the Roman Empire was wiped out and Sweden was at this time an Empiral power? Didn't you claim neutrality during WWII when in fact, you collaborated with Nazi Germany and the Jews, swinging whichever way to save your own asses? At some point in history non of us are sainted, huh?
NYZgirl09 2 years ago
It would seem that we've evolved since then. And since then we've not been in war for 200 years. We've been neutral or acted for peace. And as you said, saved our own asses. Tho in ww2 we didn't side with teh nazis, we just allowed them passage, nor did we help our neighbours when they were walked all over.
Ganbacchau 2 years ago
it was a pressure cooker. it happens.
cutterschoicenotmine 2 years ago
"And did you forget we fought against british oppression? "
You never won. They still control American Policy, you just dont realize it.
invincibleironman3 3 years ago
eventually he succeeded in killing himself. He really did. And all those US Americans who think that it is ok to kill, torture and rape Vietnamese, Iraquis, Afghans, Panamese, Nicaraguans, etc. because their lives are not woth anything because they aren't americans: this one was an American victim of you country's megalomania and delusions of grandeur
claruon 3 years ago 3
my comment was aimed at dbrs62.
UXB57 3 years ago
A typical comment from a still programmed ex soldier.What do you want an easy war?Maybe you should have stayed at home and watched all on t.v.
UXB57 3 years ago
War is a dimension noone can understand unless they have xperienced it. Hence the reason that those in power keep sending us.
Bertelli1234 3 years ago
"His face was like the same face of the child that I had killed." Wow - this is haunting. I wonder what happened to this man, I hope he didn't kill himself.
jimfarrowlove 3 years ago 2
he did about ten years ago
tomorrettisgay 3 years ago
I am sorry to hear that. Did you know him?
jimfarrowlove 3 years ago
no i didn't, i've just been researching pinkville in my spare time so i just thought id answer you question.
tomorrettisgay 3 years ago
As an ex-soldier I can not condone what they did. I can say that the vietcong were partially to blame. The American soldiers were not trained to fight a cowards war of snipers and booby traps. Before we went there we should have taken lessons learned by the British in Malaysia. They won.
dbrs1962 3 years ago