There is no 'right' to secede and even Robert E. Lee knew this, and was honest enough to know that what was attempted was unconstitutional and illegal rebellion.
“Secession is nothing but revolution. The framers of our Constitution never exhausted so much labor, wisdom and forbearance in its formation, and surrounded it with so many guards and securities, if it was intended to be broken by every member of the Confederacy at will.
It was intended for “perpetual union” so expressed in the preamble, and for the establishment of a government, not a compact, which can only be dissolved by a revolution, or the consent of all the people in convention assembled. It is idle to talk of secession, Anarchy would have been established, and not a government, by Washington, Jefferson, Madison, and the other patriots of the Revolution. - Robert E. Lee, January 23, 1861
@Rundstedt1 "Legislators cannot invent too many devices for subdividing property... Another means of silently lessening the inequality of property is to exempt all from taxation below a certain point,and to tax the higher portions or property in geometrical progression as they rise.Whenever there are in any country uncultivated lands and unemployed poor,it is clear that the laws of property have been so far extended as to violate natural right." Thomas Jefferson to James Madison,1785
"If there be any among us who would wish to dissolve this Union or to change its republican form, let them stand undisturbed as monuments of the safety with which error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it."
If one sate seceeded, people who are fed up with this government will flock to our new found nation, and we would then would say goodbye to the tyrany in this country.
Personally, I feel every state should secede from the union at once(the "federal" government would automaticallt disbanded) Our federal government is no longer "We the people" but a group of tyrannt's attempting to destroy liberty and freedom.
yup, that guy is an american alrite, a jewified Euro (never mind the occupation world!), the folks who think he will stop the lobbies should think again. Ask redskins how 'voluntarily' they made way for federations and secessions
Every state ought to SECEDE from the union. Really, think about it. And there would be nothing the FEDS could do about it. However one thing that would occur is the FEDS would loose all power!
It's not a right to secede...you accede to things like treaties and thus you can secede from them. What they mean by secession is really a right to declare independence. That is the proper legal standard. After all, we have a Constitution, not as treaty.
The right to secede would keep the federal government motivated to keep the states happy, and seeing as the federal government was created by the states that's the way it should be.
If the "union" isn't working for those who are united, it shouldn't exist.
If you think about it, what @stagedive516 said - aside from being common sense - is very much the same principle as the proportionality of competitiveness to market performance: the more competition there is in a market, the better that market performs, because there is more motivation for every individual firm to bend over backward to please their customers. The same principle applies here: When there is real danger of more states arising, an extant one is more willing to listen to its people.
"If there be any among us who would wish to dissolve this Union or to change its republican form, let them stand undisturbed as monuments of the safety with which error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it." -Thomas Jefferson
""When Rick Perry became the governor of Texas, total spending by the Texas state government 49 billion.
Ten years later it was approximately 90 billion.
The debt to GDP ratio in Texas is 22.9% and the debt per citizen is 10,645. In California, the debt to GDP ratio is just 18.7% and the debt per citizen is only 9932.
The total debt of the Texas government has more than doubled since Rick Perry became governor."
I don't want secession. My hope is to do all possible to preserve the USA, Constitution, etc. But this accumulation of huge debt will kill us for sure. Debt is the noose around our necks. Unless we bring spending under control, we will go bankrupt, & these political debates are moot. If you wish to preserve the union, then you should pressure Wash DC to control spending & reduce the debt. That will keep USA intact. But anti-secessionists are big spenders, which will destroy the union.
@claude544 What if you cant persuade the politicians in DC or in the FED to change theire ways in your favor?(they have no obligation to, only a promise to do their best), then two possibilities arise, to perish with the rest of your fellow americans or to secede from this godforsaken union.
DC does not represent the people. It is a collection of politicians with their own interests at heart that serve themselves and their sponsors. If you can't limit how large the Government will be, then you have no right to feel surprised when it keeps inventing more preeminent roles in state and local affairs. The most corrupt legislation in America is made at the Federal level. The War on drugs, preemptive aggression on foreign entities, the military industrial complex, etc. WAKE UP PEOPLE!
I, for one, do not want to live in a liberal, socialist society. If Texas seceded, I will stay and fight for her. I might be killed but I will die a free man.
Secession is in America's blood. My view is that the American Revolution was a violent struggle between Englishmen and transplanted Englishmen. Great Britain had the human resources to commit a sizable land and sea force to put down those colonial upstarts who dared oppose the might of King George III. Some of those upstarts were my American ancestors. Dr. Paul is quite right because secession is - thus - an important part of your American histories and principals.
“Experience shows that a very populous city can rarely, if ever, be well governed; since all cities which have a reputation for good government have a limit of population. We may argue on grounds of reason, and the same result will follow: for law is order, and good law is good order; but a very great multitude cannot be orderly.”
America today is nothing but a corporate-owned two-party oligarchy. Free Cascadia! Free New England! Free Alaska! Free Lakotah! Free the South! The only way to return to the original American values of self-governance and non-intervention is to dissolve the union as it is.
@DawnOfTheDead991 You display typical liberal thinking. Create a thought police, and judge people accordingly. Assume you understand the Constitution when you haven't read it. Assume you understand American history, when you haven't studied it. Give your full abiding allegiance to the Federal Government when you don't understand that it is an out of control entity that merely exists on its own inside of the Republic.
@StonewallJackson26 What kind of paranoid fantasy are you rambling about? Thought Police? Hey you fascist redneck cretins seceded to preserve slavery, so don't lecture me about freedom or the Constitution
@DawnOfTheDead991 Slavery was dying by the mid 1800's. The Industrial Revolution was inevitable. The preservation of Slavery was moot. No independent, sovereign nation would have survived after the 19th Century if they relied on Slavery. The original Revolutionaries who forged this nation were secessionists. You are a brain dead zombie who doesn't understand the difference between the Republic and the Federal Government.
Apparently, nobody bothered to inform the Confederates that the end of slavery was unavoidable. They seceded for the specific purpose of preserving slavery. Multiple Confederate states' articles of secession specifically name slavery as their reason. Confederate VP Alexander Stephens said in his Cornerstone Speech that the very foundation of Confederate society was slavery.
@RedXlV What does any of that have to do with POOR southerners who owned NO slaves? Less than 5% ever did, yet the slave owners did not fight. The poor and low to middle class, fought and died. Also the Federal Government has to share the blame in the establishment of Slavery.
@RedXlV So you hate the founding fathers? The slaveowning founders seceded from the democratic parliament of britain to protect slavery. The British King issued an emancipation proclamation at the beginning of the war (whereas Lincoln did not want to do it, and only did it late in the war to win Britain's support).
Had the founders lost the American revolution, slavery'd of ended then. Yankee hypocrites. Not to mention, the CSA's constitution, had a BAN on importation of slaves!
I agree with Ron Paul on some things but the US seceded from Britain because we HATED being part of the British Empire, so is it not reasonable to assume people like Rick Perry and Todd Palin HATE America?
@steelersguy74 Actually the 13 colonies only wanted to secede because they were being taxed without representation in Parliment. Many people in the 13 colonies migrated to Canada because they were Loyalist.
They should have fast-forwarded to the modern tax rates! Inflation is a huge tax without rep. People who have saved money find an unelected fed issuing more money wiping out their savings. It is a huge tax, never voted for.
@Theaverable The strange thing is though, although they were taxed without representation, the colonial actually paid less in taxes than a Londoner. I belive a colonial payed about 1-2 shillings worth of taxes each year and the Cockney paid about 25 shillings a year.
@Theaverable Yes and the people who are talking about secession/ complaining about taxes are represented in congress. It might not be by the people they voted for but it's still representation.
Ideologically, ANYTHING is a legitimate "issue". This vid turned me stone cold on RP. I grew up in Tex and have heard every possible excuse for the likes of the the KKK and for redistricting queens like DeLay. TEXAS'S PATHETIC AGENDA IS NOT THE US AGENDA. RP just went down for the count - slime for sure. Just like Hitler said: "All propaganda has to be popular and has to accommodate itself to the comprehension of the least intelligent of those whom it seeks to reach." Alex Jones is here.
Well it stands to reason if people have the right to institute government to PROTECT their freedom, and we had the RIGHT to leave England...why wouldn't it be?
The thing I love most about Ron Paul is how calm and honest he is about everything. Not a bone of hatred in his body, just intellect. He's not like any of the other republicans shouting at you and being outraged all the time trying scare tactics. Just facts!
@arifelt true american patriot? your a fuckin paki... you need to watch out for india lol... let us worry about killing the confedorate traitors... TREASON!!! TREASON!!! KILL THE SOUTH!!!
This whey faced peckerwood says 'just think of the benifits' if states could secede...Yeah, like losing World War l and ll....still having humans as slaves...being unable to found a common currency....having any passing popular jackwagon establish a pirate country from a former state...the list goes on..
Since it requires the consent of the states to unite (like a marriage), it should require the consent of the states for states to secede (like in a divorce).
It's the unilateral decision of any state to leave without notice, process, or agreement that is unacceptable.
(Imagine a marriage in which one person could come and go at will.)
@pjmgame Mexico is far too busy with its own domestic drug problem to begin any military operations into Texas...Ciudad Juarez is more dangerous than Baghdad right now...there's no way Mexico would be able to send troops over the Rio Grande, much less to the southern banks of the Red
@TheChrisnew Mexico has been waiting for over a century to get their land back. They know they can't declare war on the US because the US will easily defeat them. "We didn't cross the border the border crossed us" This will always be in their heads
@pjmgame even so, they are far too preoccupied with their drug war to attempt to retake Texas, and God knows Texas would fight back harder if they were free and independent rather than if Mexico tried to invade Texas while they were still part of the United States
@TheChrisnew Their pride is more important than the drug war to them. If there's a piece of land out there with no army they will not hesistate to take it. Mexican pride movement would be rallying all over mexico and (maybe) in the US. Even the druggies would get involved. Its about being proud of who you are.
You have the right to disagree with him. Thanks to men like Dr. Paul who preaches about liberty and freedom that we are still allowed to disagree and be heard.
Thank u for voicing your opinion, but I still have hopes that you will join us in our-WE THE POEPLE's liberation some day.
Secede: to withdraw formally from an alliance, federation, or association, as from a political union, a religious organization, etc.. I say let Texas have their secession and the rest of the US go along. WE THE PEOPLE, need to stick together, if we secede from our government, we should all do it or none.
Shame that Texas v. White basically said that Texas could not secede, that the agreement that the Republic of Texas could secede if it so wanted, was effectively null and void. Other thing is, I don't agree with 100% of Ron's ideas, I mean he talks of going back to the Constitution but Ross Perot did point out that the Constitution predates the Industrial Revolution. What would our Constitution look like if it were drafted AFTER the Industrial Revolution?
@xDraconianKingx I just thank God that it wasn't. Who knows which special interest groups would've benefitted from that. It's tough these days and losing faith in my government isn't helping. We are so divided as a country right now, it's kinda scary. If Ron Paul can unite this country again and under such beliefs as our constitution.....I stand with him.
That wasn't secession, it was rebellion. The founders were never under any delusion that a right of secession existed. That's why they launched an armed revolt. But your comment about a "tiny tea tax" implies that you're not very well-informed about the actual circumstances of the rebellion. Are you, for example, aware that the Boston Tea Party was protesting against a tax CUT? And no, Texas does not have the right to leave the union, unless the entire nation consents to it.
It's amazing how many people associate secession with racism, slavery, the KKK.....now who's the ignorant radicals??????? All we want is to peacefully secede so we can have freedom, rights, and live in an economically sound nation.
@KripDrip Right, and New York, California, and Illinois which have 10x higher debt ratios will surely be able to manage without a federal government bailing them out.
Funny how it's mostly states like New York, California, and Illinois funneling money to the South via the federal government, rather than the other way around.
@RedXlV As for funneling money to the South, Texas pays more in federal taxes than they get back. And regardless, ANY MONEY WE GET BACK is WASTED on STUPID pork projects while our schools are forced to teach to the book a bunch of worthless propaganda.
Not to mention, there's another hidden tax on the South: the financial industry. Banks are all over the south, turning them into debt slaves, but the yankee bankers plunder that wealth back up north.
Ron Paul is right. Don't drink the America united kool aid crap. I'd like to see Texas secede before the US turns into a poverty stricken third world country.
Ron Paul is a fucking crazy weirdo. He wants us to live like its fucking 1863, not in the 21st century. Whoever would vote for this dumb fuck must be an even dumber sheep then he is!
I actually support the right of succession. However, let's make no bones about it. Wanting to LEAVE AMERICA, is UNAMERICAN!!! You wanna go? Go, Just don't expect to be treated like a loyal American by those who stayed.
No government is going to make secession legal, otherwise that government would not last. Any group with a complaint could make a threat to secede unless it's wishes were granted. Next thing you know, we're living back in the cave people days when we are all divided.
The American revolutionaries of 1776 understood themselves as lawbreakers. They were openly violating the laws of Britain because they believed those laws were unjust by the standard of the natural law. Every signer of the United States Declaration of Independence, including John Hancock, who famously offered his signature in large script so that King George III could read his name without spectacles, clearly understood that they risked execution for treason if caught by the British.
Can one imagine anything more preposterous then the suggestion that the British subjects living in North America under the authority of King George III possessed a legal right of secession? Why had monarchy survived as long as it had in Europe if Europeans living under Kings had possessed a legal of secession all along?
Try to understand - There is a difference between secession ( a legal separation) and revolution. (an illegal separation)
@Zeeboe Unjust law's yea like the EPA trying to force it's weight on Texas about the green house gas montoring BS. Of course many other state's just bowed to a bunch of goverment goon's and there radical tree hugger friend's.
If the purpose of secession is to protect a minority against the majority, why may not a individual citizen secede whenever he or she is displeased by the laws or policies under which he or she lives?
And after individuals become convinced that they have a legal right to secede, that each individual has the legal right to reject the outcome of any election with which he or she happens to disagree with, does not civil society under law become impossible?
I would love to see Texas secede and take Louisiana along with it..Louisiana used to be a seperate Republic for a very brief time before joining the Confederacy. It would be great to see it happen once again.
Yumm, conservatives. When the colonies 'seceded,' from England, there was a legitimate cause. Also, America was a separate land mass. There's no safe, nor beneficial way for Texas to secede.
Check out my video. If you don't believe in secession, then you believe in slavery, for you are for enslaving people to a government that they want no part of:
Check out my video. If you don't believe in secession, then you believe in slavery, for you are for enslaving people to a government that they want no part of:
For white Americans the only long-term solution to the Mexican reconquista of the Southwest states is to secede from the USA and to build a strong homeland in the Northwest Pacific.
See the YouTube video on the subject:
Put "Northwest Homeland - The NVA" in the YouTube search box.
The word "American" comes from when British citizens seceded illegally and renamed themselves "Americans". We here in Texas call ourselves "Texans" not "Americans" anyways, so we've got half of process finished.
@Cyrus255 - You do not speak for all Texans. I am a Texan, but I am an American first, and there are plenty of other Texans who feel this way. What you call "secession", many of us call "treason".
I'm will consider moving to whichever State secedes first. I may not have to move far b/c I live in Arizona : ) Ron Paul is correct that "the time will come"
@DawnOfTheDead991 You display frightening ignorance. At what point did Dr. Paul say that he was advocating slavery or robbing homosexuals and illegals of their rights? Take your fallacious Straw Man arguments somewhere else.
@grandlogician FOr someone who calls himself a grand logician, you seem dim. I was referring to the redneck above who said, "South Carolina will be first. (( again ))".South Carolina led the slave states in revolt to preserve slavery, so anything that comes out of that latrine pit is pure trash. BTW, one of the reasons that the rednecks in Texas fought the Spanish was for the right to own slaves since slavery was illegal in Mexico, but not in the Texas Republic then later the State of Texas.
That type of simplistic, bigoted, rhetoric continues to divide. Study your history. The roots of the anger leading to secession of the Southern states dates all the way back to just after the Revolutionary War where Southerners were mistreated for not supporting (to the satisfaction of the North) secession from England. Other contentious events occurred in the decades afterwards. Slavery (not itself, but Northern demands on the South) was only the final straw.
@DawnOfTheDead991 I apologize, I did not realize you were responding to a "Redneck". The secession of South Carolina from the United states and the secession of Texas from Mexico were mainly driven by economic factors. Also, nice fallacious ad hominem attack on the state of South Carolina. I'm hoping that if our conversation continues you will help to demonstrate why using an "appeal to emotion" is poor reasoning.
A momment comes which comes but rarely in history. When we step out from the old and to the new. When an age ends and when the soul of nation long suppressed finds utterance. Civ 5 trailer.
Being called a Redneck doesn't bother me. Whether the fact that I, am white or not should bother you.
Yes we do agree on America does need to change the question is will it ?.
To live in curroption or to live the American Dream that every american is entitled too.
Actually, even Abraham Lincoln did not question the right of the southern states to secede. The civil war started over Lincoln's insistence that the federal government retain federal property in those states, specifically military bases. The southern states considered this incompatible with state sovereignty. And so the war started with a fight over one of those bases, Fort Sumter in South Carolina.
They may certainly think thatthey are arguing for freedom, but others can interpret their actions as intolerance and an unwillingness to compromise or accept responsibility to meet the obligations of a pact. I argue for reasonable resolution of differences and dismissasl of childish political tantrums.
Now that I think of it, allowing the border states to secede may be the best form of illegal immigration control for the USA. Yeah, You guys don't wanna be part of our country, so I guess we won't have to worry about you sneaking up north, and the illegal brown people will not survive when ya'll start picking them off at your southern borders. Hmmm....that might be a viable solution.
Listen here, you might get what you want if you present it in the right way. Make a Modest Proposal...
Now lets say that Texas is able to convince the other states to allow them to secede peacefully (I am all for it!), then the negotiations begin! Loss of US citizenship (naturally), so no more shouting USA! USA! USA!; withdrawal of all US military personnel and closing of military instllations, Bye Bye NASA (Houston we have a problem); Bye Bye Medicare and Social Security (and every other federal program); buils a military, buy weapons, take care of your own borders (watch out for Mexico).
Does Corperations play a role in the decisions of certain senator's & congressmen .... Certainly there called Lobbyists.
I believe you called me a Fascist - Fascism rejects the concepts of egalitarianism, materialism, and rationalism in favor of action, discipline, hierarchy, spirit, and will.
I don't reject the concept of materialism. We are in a Captialist Society turned Socialist. I run my own buisness this makes me an Entrepreneur.
@donjuandonjuan If i'm rejecting discipline then why am I, fighting curroption ?. Is not clear to you what goes on beyond those closed doors in Washington ?..
Politican's don't know discipline that's why they take bribe's and get caught maybe not all the time. They are for themselves not there for you or I.
Hierachy - Yes I, do have a problem with Elected Official's. Who choose to run our Country into the ground and force people out and into the street's.
socialism like what giving free healthcare did you know that healthcare insurance bearly paid on actually healthcare until obama pass the law that force healthcare to use 85% profit on actually health care. we are become a fascist country no soicalist. fascist by true definition is when coperation try take over the government. sorry for calling you redneck. we have a agreement america need to be fixed. captialism is the best by should be treaded like fire it help you cook but it can also burn u
We have historical precedent against secession in the form of the war between the states. So if ya wanna go, there is a price to pay. If you are willing to pay that price, go for it. There is really a win-win situation for you in this venture: prevail in the conflict and you get what you want (minus a few citizens, plus lots of destruction, and a belligerent neighbor), lose and you will get a large reconstuction plan and eager new carpetbaggers. Yummy!
@Billneuro4Liberty What I am saying is that when you enter into a contract (or marriage) you cannot unilaterally and arbitrarily break it on a whim. The price for such an action is always severe (as it should be).
@Billneuro4Liberty And, by the way, you appear to be confusing the United Staes with the United Nations, or with the former USSR. The only similarity is the word United in their names. The USA is also distinct fron United Airlines and United Van lines, a far as I can tell.
You know, it is amazing how people "interpret" the constitution. Kinda like how some "interpret" the Bible or can "interpret" the random expression on a stranger's face.
Not advisable, but...just do it, and good luck. Don't threaten to secede, just get the hell out of the union. You will do just great. I have lived in Texas and it is no great loss. Become a white, Christian theocracy, kick out all illegals, subjugate the blacks, stone harlots and benefit from the glory of an unfettered "free market economy" full of individual freedom and firearms for all. Just do it!
Ronny is telling us that if we do not play the game according to HIS rules, he will take his ball and go home...except that the ball is not his. Maybe he, and those in Texas like him, can hold their collective breath until they turn blue. That they can do.
@amsquare Grow up? Yes, please do. Every state has the right to secede and it's guaranteed by the 10th amendment. What principle can you cite that says secession is not allowed?
Dr. Paul's predictions always come true.
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There is no 'right' to secede and even Robert E. Lee knew this, and was honest enough to know that what was attempted was unconstitutional and illegal rebellion.
“Secession is nothing but revolution. The framers of our Constitution never exhausted so much labor, wisdom and forbearance in its formation, and surrounded it with so many guards and securities, if it was intended to be broken by every member of the Confederacy at will.
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It was intended for “perpetual union” so expressed in the preamble, and for the establishment of a government, not a compact, which can only be dissolved by a revolution, or the consent of all the people in convention assembled. It is idle to talk of secession, Anarchy would have been established, and not a government, by Washington, Jefferson, Madison, and the other patriots of the Revolution. - Robert E. Lee, January 23, 1861
Rundstedt1 5 days ago
@Rundstedt1 "Legislators cannot invent too many devices for subdividing property... Another means of silently lessening the inequality of property is to exempt all from taxation below a certain point,and to tax the higher portions or property in geometrical progression as they rise.Whenever there are in any country uncultivated lands and unemployed poor,it is clear that the laws of property have been so far extended as to violate natural right." Thomas Jefferson to James Madison,1785
zsylvana 5 days ago 2
@Rundstedt1
"If there be any among us who would wish to dissolve this Union or to change its republican form, let them stand undisturbed as monuments of the safety with which error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it."
Thomas Jefferson, 1st Inaugural, 4-Mar-1801
zsylvana 5 days ago 2
If one sate seceeded, people who are fed up with this government will flock to our new found nation, and we would then would say goodbye to the tyrany in this country.
happyVIDwatcher 3 weeks ago
@happyVIDwatcher And once that state is corrupt, look for a new place to ruin. (Look what we did to America by flocking to a new found nation.)
TH373N 1 week ago
We should all go to texas. with paul as our president.
happyVIDwatcher 3 weeks ago
Personally, I feel every state should secede from the union at once(the "federal" government would automaticallt disbanded) Our federal government is no longer "We the people" but a group of tyrannt's attempting to destroy liberty and freedom.
Atheist18505 1 month ago 3
yup, that guy is an american alrite, a jewified Euro (never mind the occupation world!), the folks who think he will stop the lobbies should think again. Ask redskins how 'voluntarily' they made way for federations and secessions
poetpiet 1 month ago
Every state ought to SECEDE from the union. Really, think about it. And there would be nothing the FEDS could do about it. However one thing that would occur is the FEDS would loose all power!
GlobalMinority 1 month ago
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Racist son of a bitch.
TheRimelo 3 months ago
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MrSeriouslytho 3 months ago
Anyone think Kansas would survive if it seceeded? :D
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It's not a right to secede...you accede to things like treaties and thus you can secede from them. What they mean by secession is really a right to declare independence. That is the proper legal standard. After all, we have a Constitution, not as treaty.
chrikac 3 months ago
The right to secede would keep the federal government motivated to keep the states happy, and seeing as the federal government was created by the states that's the way it should be.
If the "union" isn't working for those who are united, it shouldn't exist.
stagedive516 3 months ago 23
If you think about it, what @stagedive516 said - aside from being common sense - is very much the same principle as the proportionality of competitiveness to market performance: the more competition there is in a market, the better that market performs, because there is more motivation for every individual firm to bend over backward to please their customers. The same principle applies here: When there is real danger of more states arising, an extant one is more willing to listen to its people.
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@stagedive516
Excellent comment, great point!
z13131313 3 days ago
RON PAUL SCHOOLING PEOPLE WORLDWIDE.
D10SdelFutbol 3 months ago
"If there be any among us who would wish to dissolve this Union or to change its republican form, let them stand undisturbed as monuments of the safety with which error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it." -Thomas Jefferson
jaranarm 4 months ago
"But anti-secessionists are big spenders"
""When Rick Perry became the governor of Texas, total spending by the Texas state government 49 billion.
Ten years later it was approximately 90 billion.
The debt to GDP ratio in Texas is 22.9% and the debt per citizen is 10,645. In California, the debt to GDP ratio is just 18.7% and the debt per citizen is only 9932.
The total debt of the Texas government has more than doubled since Rick Perry became governor."
Not that facts matter.
HopeForPeaceNow 4 months ago
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cowboy8555 5 months ago
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stated should have the right to secede and if the yankee government wants to start a conflict than so be it
cowboy8555 5 months ago
I don't want secession. My hope is to do all possible to preserve the USA, Constitution, etc. But this accumulation of huge debt will kill us for sure. Debt is the noose around our necks. Unless we bring spending under control, we will go bankrupt, & these political debates are moot. If you wish to preserve the union, then you should pressure Wash DC to control spending & reduce the debt. That will keep USA intact. But anti-secessionists are big spenders, which will destroy the union.
claude544 5 months ago
@claude544 What if you cant persuade the politicians in DC or in the FED to change theire ways in your favor?(they have no obligation to, only a promise to do their best), then two possibilities arise, to perish with the rest of your fellow americans or to secede from this godforsaken union.
megatherium100 3 months ago
DC does not represent the people. It is a collection of politicians with their own interests at heart that serve themselves and their sponsors. If you can't limit how large the Government will be, then you have no right to feel surprised when it keeps inventing more preeminent roles in state and local affairs. The most corrupt legislation in America is made at the Federal level. The War on drugs, preemptive aggression on foreign entities, the military industrial complex, etc. WAKE UP PEOPLE!
StonewallJackson26 5 months ago
I, for one, do not want to live in a liberal, socialist society. If Texas seceded, I will stay and fight for her. I might be killed but I will die a free man.
MrBolas33 5 months ago
Secession is in America's blood. My view is that the American Revolution was a violent struggle between Englishmen and transplanted Englishmen. Great Britain had the human resources to commit a sizable land and sea force to put down those colonial upstarts who dared oppose the might of King George III. Some of those upstarts were my American ancestors. Dr. Paul is quite right because secession is - thus - an important part of your American histories and principals.
RedGoblinus 6 months ago
“Experience shows that a very populous city can rarely, if ever, be well governed; since all cities which have a reputation for good government have a limit of population. We may argue on grounds of reason, and the same result will follow: for law is order, and good law is good order; but a very great multitude cannot be orderly.”
-Aristotle
voltairinedecleyre66 6 months ago
America today is nothing but a corporate-owned two-party oligarchy. Free Cascadia! Free New England! Free Alaska! Free Lakotah! Free the South! The only way to return to the original American values of self-governance and non-intervention is to dissolve the union as it is.
jaranarm 6 months ago
Down with the Stars and Stripes up with the Lone Star !
haibane13 6 months ago
Classic Federal Goverment thinking :
Join the Military see the world then live out on the street's.
250,000 American Veteran's of Foreign War's. Men & Woman are living out on the street's. More to come.
Tax More Spend More - Go into Debt More - Can't stop the addiction - Tax More Tax More more more less freedom more law's.
donjuandonjuan 6 months ago
VOTE FOR RON PAUL!!! get us the fuck out of foreign countries and focus on rebuilding our own.. GET OFF YOUR ASSES AND VOTE YOU LAZY FUCKS.
alexsixfiveoh 6 months ago
Classic Texas thinking:
I love America so much, I want to secede
I love the Constitution, throw all those longhairs in jail
I love Freedom, but not for gays, illegals, and people I have a serious issue with.
DawnOfTheDead991 7 months ago
@DawnOfTheDead991 You display typical liberal thinking. Create a thought police, and judge people accordingly. Assume you understand the Constitution when you haven't read it. Assume you understand American history, when you haven't studied it. Give your full abiding allegiance to the Federal Government when you don't understand that it is an out of control entity that merely exists on its own inside of the Republic.
StonewallJackson26 5 months ago
@StonewallJackson26 What kind of paranoid fantasy are you rambling about? Thought Police? Hey you fascist redneck cretins seceded to preserve slavery, so don't lecture me about freedom or the Constitution
DawnOfTheDead991 5 months ago
@DawnOfTheDead991 Open up a history book please you fucking moron. You're a drone, there is not point in attempting a debate with you.
StonewallJackson26 5 months ago
@DawnOfTheDead991 Slavery was dying by the mid 1800's. The Industrial Revolution was inevitable. The preservation of Slavery was moot. No independent, sovereign nation would have survived after the 19th Century if they relied on Slavery. The original Revolutionaries who forged this nation were secessionists. You are a brain dead zombie who doesn't understand the difference between the Republic and the Federal Government.
StonewallJackson26 5 months ago
@StonewallJackson26
Apparently, nobody bothered to inform the Confederates that the end of slavery was unavoidable. They seceded for the specific purpose of preserving slavery. Multiple Confederate states' articles of secession specifically name slavery as their reason. Confederate VP Alexander Stephens said in his Cornerstone Speech that the very foundation of Confederate society was slavery.
RedXlV 1 month ago
@RedXlV What does any of that have to do with POOR southerners who owned NO slaves? Less than 5% ever did, yet the slave owners did not fight. The poor and low to middle class, fought and died. Also the Federal Government has to share the blame in the establishment of Slavery.
StonewallJackson26 1 month ago
@RedXlV So you hate the founding fathers? The slaveowning founders seceded from the democratic parliament of britain to protect slavery. The British King issued an emancipation proclamation at the beginning of the war (whereas Lincoln did not want to do it, and only did it late in the war to win Britain's support).
Had the founders lost the American revolution, slavery'd of ended then. Yankee hypocrites. Not to mention, the CSA's constitution, had a BAN on importation of slaves!
Cyrus255 1 month ago
Ron Paul for President 2012 !.
Don't believe you have to vote for the lesser of the 2 evil's think outside the box !.
donjuandonjuan 7 months ago
cool
ekaterina1983 7 months ago
I agree with Ron Paul on some things but the US seceded from Britain because we HATED being part of the British Empire, so is it not reasonable to assume people like Rick Perry and Todd Palin HATE America?
steelersguy74 7 months ago
@steelersguy74 Actually the 13 colonies only wanted to secede because they were being taxed without representation in Parliment. Many people in the 13 colonies migrated to Canada because they were Loyalist.
Theaverable 7 months ago
@Theaverable
They should have fast-forwarded to the modern tax rates! Inflation is a huge tax without rep. People who have saved money find an unelected fed issuing more money wiping out their savings. It is a huge tax, never voted for.
Thunkful2 7 months ago
@Theaverable The strange thing is though, although they were taxed without representation, the colonial actually paid less in taxes than a Londoner. I belive a colonial payed about 1-2 shillings worth of taxes each year and the Cockney paid about 25 shillings a year.
grobo11 7 months ago
@Theaverable Yes and the people who are talking about secession/ complaining about taxes are represented in congress. It might not be by the people they voted for but it's still representation.
steelersguy74 6 months ago
Go Ron Paul!
lordKimball 8 months ago
Ideologically, ANYTHING is a legitimate "issue". This vid turned me stone cold on RP. I grew up in Tex and have heard every possible excuse for the likes of the the KKK and for redistricting queens like DeLay. TEXAS'S PATHETIC AGENDA IS NOT THE US AGENDA. RP just went down for the count - slime for sure. Just like Hitler said: "All propaganda has to be popular and has to accommodate itself to the comprehension of the least intelligent of those whom it seeks to reach." Alex Jones is here.
fearisdeathbeawake 8 months ago
Well it stands to reason if people have the right to institute government to PROTECT their freedom, and we had the RIGHT to leave England...why wouldn't it be?
dualberettas 8 months ago
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RP - You just lost all credibility. You're a traitor to the Republic and your career is done. RIP.
dan91709 8 months ago
Let's sever this cursed Union knot
So tyranny shall never be our lot
To arms, to arms, to arms in Dixieland!
Ron Paul for leader of the Confederasah! LoL.
PrimeConsciousness 8 months ago
As long as the Feds can kill or imprison U ... Laws and Rights are supercilious.
mba2ceo 8 months ago
Atleast, he doesn't use a teleprompter. But honestly, this just increase my view of him thinking we live in 1809.
shotsky94 8 months ago
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MIDWEST507REPIN 9 months ago
No, secession is not legal. Did you sleep through all of your U.S. history courses? Remember the Civil War? Texas V. White 1869 ring a bell?
TheArnez6 9 months ago
@TheArnez6 Did you sleep through civics? Laws can be repealed, and rulings can be overturned.
K20ej88 9 months ago
wouldnt the confederacy have committed treason by declaring war on the united states and not seceding?
oJKBo 9 months ago
The thing I love most about Ron Paul is how calm and honest he is about everything. Not a bone of hatred in his body, just intellect. He's not like any of the other republicans shouting at you and being outraged all the time trying scare tactics. Just facts!
KKonetzke 9 months ago
@KKonetzke Yeah, "honest", "just facts"... right... sandefur(.)typepad(.)com/freespace/2009/04/ron-pauls-secession-lies-on-video.html
therealaj123 9 months ago
watch out for the predator drone over your head ron paul lol... the union wont lose this fight, missouri is ran by a democratic govenor
wildboy789789 9 months ago
Great man and a True patriot American Sir Ron Paul. Keep revealing the real face of Zionist.Arif From Pakistan
arifelt 9 months ago
@arifelt true american patriot? your a fuckin paki... you need to watch out for india lol... let us worry about killing the confedorate traitors... TREASON!!! TREASON!!! KILL THE SOUTH!!!
wildboy789789 9 months ago
This whey faced peckerwood says 'just think of the benifits' if states could secede...Yeah, like losing World War l and ll....still having humans as slaves...being unable to found a common currency....having any passing popular jackwagon establish a pirate country from a former state...the list goes on..
bellcord 9 months ago
It takes an impressive bit of double-talk to imply that wanting to secede from the US isn't unAmerican.
EGarrett01 9 months ago
@EGarrett01
Probably because one must define what it is to be American. If you equate America with the federal government, then yes it is unamerican.
FlashVirus 8 months ago
the supreme court decision in the case of Texas vs. White made secession illegal. There is no basis for secession being legal or right.
liberalmike1994 10 months ago
With respect Dr. Paul. The 13 colonies did not secede from England. Do you not remember the saying " No taxation without representation"?
wyoumans 10 months ago
Ron Paul is almost right. Thing he is wrong about is that it wasn't liberal media calling it a treason, it was republican media calling it treason.
MrWsad 10 months ago
To me it doesn't really matter if it is defined as "legal" by the Federal Government - "what matters...is justice"-Sergeant Kilrain
CitizenJohnSmith 11 months ago
Since it requires the consent of the states to unite (like a marriage), it should require the consent of the states for states to secede (like in a divorce).
It's the unilateral decision of any state to leave without notice, process, or agreement that is unacceptable.
(Imagine a marriage in which one person could come and go at will.)
SSArcher11 11 months ago
this is the most brilliant man in Washington
this Virginian would absolutely love it if his sister state of Texas broke away from the rest of the union
God bless the yellow rose
TheChrisnew 11 months ago 14
@TheChrisnew One Problem: MEXICO
pjmgame 6 months ago
@pjmgame Mexico would pose less of a problem to an independent Texas than it would to the United States
TheChrisnew 6 months ago
@TheChrisnew If Texas become its own country then Mexico would not hesistate to take it.
pjmgame 6 months ago
@pjmgame Mexico is far too busy with its own domestic drug problem to begin any military operations into Texas...Ciudad Juarez is more dangerous than Baghdad right now...there's no way Mexico would be able to send troops over the Rio Grande, much less to the southern banks of the Red
TheChrisnew 6 months ago
@TheChrisnew Mexico has been waiting for over a century to get their land back. They know they can't declare war on the US because the US will easily defeat them. "We didn't cross the border the border crossed us" This will always be in their heads
pjmgame 5 months ago
@pjmgame even so, they are far too preoccupied with their drug war to attempt to retake Texas, and God knows Texas would fight back harder if they were free and independent rather than if Mexico tried to invade Texas while they were still part of the United States
TheChrisnew 5 months ago
@TheChrisnew Their pride is more important than the drug war to them. If there's a piece of land out there with no army they will not hesistate to take it. Mexican pride movement would be rallying all over mexico and (maybe) in the US. Even the druggies would get involved. Its about being proud of who you are.
pjmgame 5 months ago
Just curious as to what you disagree with.
You have the right to disagree with him. Thanks to men like Dr. Paul who preaches about liberty and freedom that we are still allowed to disagree and be heard.
Thank u for voicing your opinion, but I still have hopes that you will join us in our-WE THE POEPLE's liberation some day.
angelablass 11 months ago
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Secede: to withdraw formally from an alliance, federation, or association, as from a political union, a religious organization, etc.. I say let Texas have their secession and the rest of the US go along. WE THE PEOPLE, need to stick together, if we secede from our government, we should all do it or none.
angelablass 1 year ago
Shame that Texas v. White basically said that Texas could not secede, that the agreement that the Republic of Texas could secede if it so wanted, was effectively null and void. Other thing is, I don't agree with 100% of Ron's ideas, I mean he talks of going back to the Constitution but Ross Perot did point out that the Constitution predates the Industrial Revolution. What would our Constitution look like if it were drafted AFTER the Industrial Revolution?
xDraconianKingx 1 year ago
@xDraconianKingx I just thank God that it wasn't. Who knows which special interest groups would've benefitted from that. It's tough these days and losing faith in my government isn't helping. We are so divided as a country right now, it's kinda scary. If Ron Paul can unite this country again and under such beliefs as our constitution.....I stand with him.
angelablass 1 year ago
@angelablass I can't agree with Ron really, I mean sure he preaches a different message, but I don't agree with him.
xDraconianKingx 11 months ago
@xDraconianKingx No government EVER says secession is legal.
The founding fathers were slaveowners who SECEDED from Britain ILLEGALLY.
The first emancipation proclamation on American soil was by the BRITISH not Abe Lincoln.
The 1776 revolutionaries were dead afraid that Britain would criminalize slavery in the colonies.
There were 10x more blacks fighting for the British than the Americans (and the Americans re-enslaved most of those who did fight for them).
Anti-secession is Anti-American
Cyrus255 11 months ago
@xDraconianKingx
There was no such agreement. That's just a persistent local myth in Texas.
RedXlV 1 month ago
@RedXlV Look up the Texas v. White case. It nullified the agreement that was made when the Republic of Texas joined the Union.
xDraconianKingx 1 month ago
@RedXlV You do realize the founding fathers illegally seceded from the democratic parliament of Britain over a tiny tea tax?
Does Texas not have the right to leave a union that forces it's children to be groped by TSA agents?
Cyrus255 1 month ago
@Cyrus255
That wasn't secession, it was rebellion. The founders were never under any delusion that a right of secession existed. That's why they launched an armed revolt. But your comment about a "tiny tea tax" implies that you're not very well-informed about the actual circumstances of the rebellion. Are you, for example, aware that the Boston Tea Party was protesting against a tax CUT? And no, Texas does not have the right to leave the union, unless the entire nation consents to it.
RedXlV 1 month ago
IF YOU ARE A TEXAN SUBSCRIBE I BET TEXAS CAN GET 1MIL Subs before any other state!! Come on fellow TEXANS!
TEXAS1MILSUBS1st 1 year ago
Liberals just dont understand american history
jed371 1 year ago
Ron Paul Rules Man.... Ron Paul Rules! he is my President!
LibertyJedi 1 year ago
It's amazing how many people associate secession with racism, slavery, the KKK.....now who's the ignorant radicals??????? All we want is to peacefully secede so we can have freedom, rights, and live in an economically sound nation.
wildbill9919 1 year ago
when the south secedes, it will look like a 3rd world country.
KripDrip 11 months ago
@KripDrip Right, and New York, California, and Illinois which have 10x higher debt ratios will surely be able to manage without a federal government bailing them out.
Cyrus255 11 months ago
@Cyrus255
Funny how it's mostly states like New York, California, and Illinois funneling money to the South via the federal government, rather than the other way around.
RedXlV 1 month ago
@RedXlV As for funneling money to the South, Texas pays more in federal taxes than they get back. And regardless, ANY MONEY WE GET BACK is WASTED on STUPID pork projects while our schools are forced to teach to the book a bunch of worthless propaganda.
Not to mention, there's another hidden tax on the South: the financial industry. Banks are all over the south, turning them into debt slaves, but the yankee bankers plunder that wealth back up north.
Cyrus255 1 month ago
@KripDrip Michigan and New York already look like 3rd world countries...
AlabamaCSA 10 months ago
@KripDrip
No. It'll look like a 2nd world country when more Mexicans, legally & illegally, move into the south.
FlashVirus 8 months ago
Ron Paul is right. Don't drink the America united kool aid crap. I'd like to see Texas secede before the US turns into a poverty stricken third world country.
wildbill9919 1 year ago
Ron Paul is a fucking crazy weirdo. He wants us to live like its fucking 1863, not in the 21st century. Whoever would vote for this dumb fuck must be an even dumber sheep then he is!
ProgressiveInAmerica 1 year ago
@ProgressiveInAmerica Your name is progressive in america, you have no credibility just for that alone.
CoolCoverBro 10 months ago
@ProgressiveInAmerica
Libtardism
A mental disorder
FlashVirus 8 months ago
bat shit crazy. he is bat shit crazy. please don't drink the Ron Paul Kool Aid
rs09985 1 year ago
The first step to a successful secession is to teach people how to spell the word properly.
"SUCCESSION" IS NOT HOW YOU SPELL IT MORONS
FartyFace 1 year ago
I hope Ron Paul has very long life with good health.
zerk54 1 year ago
with so many anti-secessionists its like being at a liberal party.
donjuandonjuan 1 year ago
@donjuandonjuan - With so many secessionists, it's like being at a Klan Ralley. :-P
Zeeboe 1 year ago
@Zeeboe lol @ klan ralley
donjuandonjuan 1 year ago
@Zeeboe Only there are no hoods or burning crosses or threat. Those are employed by the Feds.
Dragdamar 1 year ago
I actually support the right of succession. However, let's make no bones about it. Wanting to LEAVE AMERICA, is UNAMERICAN!!! You wanna go? Go, Just don't expect to be treated like a loyal American by those who stayed.
seeqer66 1 year ago
@seeqer66 Hand's you a cane and blinder's. Here's your daily ration of dependent on goverment stamp's just for you. Your special.
donjuandonjuan 1 year ago
@donjuandonjuan And you're an idiot who seems to have missed my point entirely.
seeqer66 1 year ago
@seeqer66 pfft a point not likely
donjuandonjuan 1 year ago
Someone needs to read the constitution. While secession is allowed. There is a loop hole. It needs to be approved by 3/5ths of the congress.
panterguy 1 year ago
No government is going to make secession legal, otherwise that government would not last. Any group with a complaint could make a threat to secede unless it's wishes were granted. Next thing you know, we're living back in the cave people days when we are all divided.
Zeeboe 1 year ago
@Zeeboe Empire's destory themselve's from with in and this one is decaying from the inside.
donjuandonjuan 1 year ago
@donjuandonjuan -
"America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." - Lincoln
Zeeboe 1 year ago
The American revolutionaries of 1776 understood themselves as lawbreakers. They were openly violating the laws of Britain because they believed those laws were unjust by the standard of the natural law. Every signer of the United States Declaration of Independence, including John Hancock, who famously offered his signature in large script so that King George III could read his name without spectacles, clearly understood that they risked execution for treason if caught by the British.
Zeeboe 1 year ago
Can one imagine anything more preposterous then the suggestion that the British subjects living in North America under the authority of King George III possessed a legal right of secession? Why had monarchy survived as long as it had in Europe if Europeans living under Kings had possessed a legal of secession all along?
Try to understand - There is a difference between secession ( a legal separation) and revolution. (an illegal separation)
Zeeboe 1 year ago
@Zeeboe Unjust law's yea like the EPA trying to force it's weight on Texas about the green house gas montoring BS. Of course many other state's just bowed to a bunch of goverment goon's and there radical tree hugger friend's.
donjuandonjuan 1 year ago
@donjuandonjuan - What I have trouble understanding is....what is so wrong with peace, hugging trees, protecting nature, and everyone being equal?
Zeeboe 1 year ago
@donjuandonjuan
You're a perfect example of the stupidity of modern secessionists, if you really think those are unjust laws.
RedXlV 1 month ago
If the purpose of secession is to protect a minority against the majority, why may not a individual citizen secede whenever he or she is displeased by the laws or policies under which he or she lives?
And after individuals become convinced that they have a legal right to secede, that each individual has the legal right to reject the outcome of any election with which he or she happens to disagree with, does not civil society under law become impossible?
Zeeboe 1 year ago
@Zeeboe now that would be interesting.
donjuandonjuan 1 year ago
I would love to see Texas secede and take Louisiana along with it..Louisiana used to be a seperate Republic for a very brief time before joining the Confederacy. It would be great to see it happen once again.
TheFeralFury 1 year ago
Ever hear of white balance lol?
tropicallanterns 1 year ago
Yumm, conservatives. When the colonies 'seceded,' from England, there was a legitimate cause. Also, America was a separate land mass. There's no safe, nor beneficial way for Texas to secede.
Ron Paul, sit down. Please.
EvanCodamon 1 year ago
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Check out my video. If you don't believe in secession, then you believe in slavery, for you are for enslaving people to a government that they want no part of:
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ErikLiberty 1 year ago
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Check out my video. If you don't believe in secession, then you believe in slavery, for you are for enslaving people to a government that they want no part of:
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ErikLiberty 1 year ago
Something needs to happen. Whether its secession of a few states, or a full fledged revolution; something NEEDS to happen.
cruzman3608 1 year ago
For white Americans the only long-term solution to the Mexican reconquista of the Southwest states is to secede from the USA and to build a strong homeland in the Northwest Pacific.
See the YouTube video on the subject:
Put "Northwest Homeland - The NVA" in the YouTube search box.
TheNorthwestHomeland 1 year ago
Secession is as American as cheeseburgers.
The word "American" comes from when British citizens seceded illegally and renamed themselves "Americans". We here in Texas call ourselves "Texans" not "Americans" anyways, so we've got half of process finished.
Cyrus255 1 year ago
@Cyrus255 - You do not speak for all Texans. I am a Texan, but I am an American first, and there are plenty of other Texans who feel this way. What you call "secession", many of us call "treason".
Zeeboe 1 year ago
If Texas Secedes, I'll move there.....
tainorebelde1 1 year ago
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SolidOrange85 1 year ago
I'm will consider moving to whichever State secedes first. I may not have to move far b/c I live in Arizona : ) Ron Paul is correct that "the time will come"
strong8action 1 year ago
South Carolina will be first. (( again ))
phlather 1 year ago 13
@phlather now that i'll have to see for myself.
donjuandonjuan 1 year ago
@phlather Damn it as a citizen of that state Im proud to say i hope youre RIGHT!!
rebulun 8 months ago
@phlather Yeah, dumbass rednecks fighting for slavery
DawnOfTheDead991 7 months ago
@DawnOfTheDead991 You display frightening ignorance. At what point did Dr. Paul say that he was advocating slavery or robbing homosexuals and illegals of their rights? Take your fallacious Straw Man arguments somewhere else.
grandlogician 6 months ago
@grandlogician FOr someone who calls himself a grand logician, you seem dim. I was referring to the redneck above who said, "South Carolina will be first. (( again ))".South Carolina led the slave states in revolt to preserve slavery, so anything that comes out of that latrine pit is pure trash. BTW, one of the reasons that the rednecks in Texas fought the Spanish was for the right to own slaves since slavery was illegal in Mexico, but not in the Texas Republic then later the State of Texas.
DawnOfTheDead991 6 months ago
@DawnOfTheDead991
That type of simplistic, bigoted, rhetoric continues to divide. Study your history. The roots of the anger leading to secession of the Southern states dates all the way back to just after the Revolutionary War where Southerners were mistreated for not supporting (to the satisfaction of the North) secession from England. Other contentious events occurred in the decades afterwards. Slavery (not itself, but Northern demands on the South) was only the final straw.
stewartx5 6 months ago
@DawnOfTheDead991 I apologize, I did not realize you were responding to a "Redneck". The secession of South Carolina from the United states and the secession of Texas from Mexico were mainly driven by economic factors. Also, nice fallacious ad hominem attack on the state of South Carolina. I'm hoping that if our conversation continues you will help to demonstrate why using an "appeal to emotion" is poor reasoning.
grandlogician 6 months ago
A momment comes which comes but rarely in history. When we step out from the old and to the new. When an age ends and when the soul of nation long suppressed finds utterance. Civ 5 trailer.
Being called a Redneck doesn't bother me. Whether the fact that I, am white or not should bother you.
Yes we do agree on America does need to change the question is will it ?.
To live in curroption or to live the American Dream that every american is entitled too.
I, choose to live Free.
donjuandonjuan 1 year ago
Actually, even Abraham Lincoln did not question the right of the southern states to secede. The civil war started over Lincoln's insistence that the federal government retain federal property in those states, specifically military bases. The southern states considered this incompatible with state sovereignty. And so the war started with a fight over one of those bases, Fort Sumter in South Carolina.
safetychoice 1 year ago
They may certainly think thatthey are arguing for freedom, but others can interpret their actions as intolerance and an unwillingness to compromise or accept responsibility to meet the obligations of a pact. I argue for reasonable resolution of differences and dismissasl of childish political tantrums.
amsquare 1 year ago
Now that I think of it, allowing the border states to secede may be the best form of illegal immigration control for the USA. Yeah, You guys don't wanna be part of our country, so I guess we won't have to worry about you sneaking up north, and the illegal brown people will not survive when ya'll start picking them off at your southern borders. Hmmm....that might be a viable solution.
Listen here, you might get what you want if you present it in the right way. Make a Modest Proposal...
amsquare 1 year ago
Now lets say that Texas is able to convince the other states to allow them to secede peacefully (I am all for it!), then the negotiations begin! Loss of US citizenship (naturally), so no more shouting USA! USA! USA!; withdrawal of all US military personnel and closing of military instllations, Bye Bye NASA (Houston we have a problem); Bye Bye Medicare and Social Security (and every other federal program); buils a military, buy weapons, take care of your own borders (watch out for Mexico).
amsquare 1 year ago
@amsquare Socialist.
The problem is the Goverment.
donjuandonjuan 1 year ago
@donjuandonjuan You have no idea what you are parroting. Do not address me again.
amsquare 1 year ago
@amsquare and what will you do Sir ?.
Heckle me ?.
Threaten me ?.
what will you do ?.
Socialist.
donjuandonjuan 1 year ago
@donjuandonjuan Ignore you, pendejito.
amsquare 1 year ago
@amsquare lol you do that bitch
donjuandonjuan 1 year ago
@donjuandonjuan Fascist
The problem is the Coperations
istraight1 1 year ago
@istraight1 The problem is Big Goverment....
Does Corperations play a role in the decisions of certain senator's & congressmen .... Certainly there called Lobbyists.
I believe you called me a Fascist - Fascism rejects the concepts of egalitarianism, materialism, and rationalism in favor of action, discipline, hierarchy, spirit, and will.
I don't reject the concept of materialism. We are in a Captialist Society turned Socialist. I run my own buisness this makes me an Entrepreneur.
donjuandonjuan 1 year ago
@donjuandonjuan If i'm rejecting discipline then why am I, fighting curroption ?. Is not clear to you what goes on beyond those closed doors in Washington ?..
Politican's don't know discipline that's why they take bribe's and get caught maybe not all the time. They are for themselves not there for you or I.
Hierachy - Yes I, do have a problem with Elected Official's. Who choose to run our Country into the ground and force people out and into the street's.
donjuandonjuan 1 year ago
@donjuandonjuan Spirit & Will - The question you should ask is who's will is it ?. Your's , mine or there's that 1 out 7 American's live in Poverty.
No, Sir ..... I believe what your looking for is Revolutionary.
donjuandonjuan 1 year ago
socialism like what giving free healthcare did you know that healthcare insurance bearly paid on actually healthcare until obama pass the law that force healthcare to use 85% profit on actually health care. we are become a fascist country no soicalist. fascist by true definition is when coperation try take over the government. sorry for calling you redneck. we have a agreement america need to be fixed. captialism is the best by should be treaded like fire it help you cook but it can also burn u
istraight1 1 year ago
We have historical precedent against secession in the form of the war between the states. So if ya wanna go, there is a price to pay. If you are willing to pay that price, go for it. There is really a win-win situation for you in this venture: prevail in the conflict and you get what you want (minus a few citizens, plus lots of destruction, and a belligerent neighbor), lose and you will get a large reconstuction plan and eager new carpetbaggers. Yummy!
amsquare 1 year ago
Sure sounds like Ronny would like to have his own little country, eh?
amsquare 1 year ago
A simpler solution for secessionist is a personal act of leaving this country and establishing their Utopia elsewhere...perhaps the moon?
amsquare 1 year ago
Dr. Paul, you will just confuse the liberals with logic!
Billneuro4Liberty 1 year ago
@Billneuro4Liberty Sophistry is not logic.
amsquare 1 year ago
@amsquare So you are saying that sovereign nations can freely enter into a constitutional union but may not withdraw? Okay, that makes sense.
Billneuro4Liberty 1 year ago
@Billneuro4Liberty What I am saying is that when you enter into a contract (or marriage) you cannot unilaterally and arbitrarily break it on a whim. The price for such an action is always severe (as it should be).
amsquare 1 year ago
@Billneuro4Liberty And, by the way, you appear to be confusing the United Staes with the United Nations, or with the former USSR. The only similarity is the word United in their names. The USA is also distinct fron United Airlines and United Van lines, a far as I can tell.
amsquare 1 year ago
You know, it is amazing how people "interpret" the constitution. Kinda like how some "interpret" the Bible or can "interpret" the random expression on a stranger's face.
amsquare 1 year ago
Not advisable, but...just do it, and good luck. Don't threaten to secede, just get the hell out of the union. You will do just great. I have lived in Texas and it is no great loss. Become a white, Christian theocracy, kick out all illegals, subjugate the blacks, stone harlots and benefit from the glory of an unfettered "free market economy" full of individual freedom and firearms for all. Just do it!
amsquare 1 year ago
Ronny is telling us that if we do not play the game according to HIS rules, he will take his ball and go home...except that the ball is not his. Maybe he, and those in Texas like him, can hold their collective breath until they turn blue. That they can do.
Seriously folks, let's grow up.
amsquare 1 year ago
@amsquare Grow up? Yes, please do. Every state has the right to secede and it's guaranteed by the 10th amendment. What principle can you cite that says secession is not allowed?
equsnarnd 1 year ago