@personatoobject Propaganda is banal. This, however, is inspired. Think about that for a moment. You mentioned that you "momentarily" believed in God upon hearing this. God is whispering to you through this music. Do you think -- even for a second -- that it was only music that was calling you back to God?? The longing you hear in this music is God's longing for us to return the love He has for us back to Him.
I have been desperately searching for this particular recording (Andrew Parrott and the Taverner Consort I believe) of the Taverner mass for years! I have the Tallis Scholars one but it's not a patch on this with the interspersed plain chant. Is there any way you could do me a copy on CD? I've contacted EMI directly but they have no plans to reissue the recording.
I have been desperately searching for this recording of the Taverner mass for years! I have the Tallis Scholars one but it's not a patch on this with the interspersed plain chant. Is there any way you could do me a copy on CD? I've contacted EMI directly but they have no plans to reissue the recording.
@oceanboy1993 I say this about (Christian) religion: we need more of it! Screw relativism, Christianity and a Judeo-Christian ethos have civilized the world and given it a new standard of morality. If its precepts were truly adhered to, war, crime, vice, injustice, etc., would DISAPPEAR over night. People who blame religion for the actions of men just don't THINK (I'm not referring to you). Take care.
John Taverner flirted with protestantism - this is the very most one can say. He was a Catholic until the day he died in 1545 - which was before the Protestant Revolution really happened. All his Sacred Music is 100% Catholic through and through.
@MrLjgroove Is it possible you could begin to interest fellow congregants in a more traditional mass as an alternative? That tambourine-slappin', trap-set swattin', Roland chording and simpering voices---okay, that works for some, apparently, but there are many of us who prefer classical. Maybe form your own group that will at least sometimes offer something other than a musical head-bang. Wow, I wish one of my choirs were so good as to manage this lovely work, beautifully presented!
@peddletoneG Not a bad idea. If more of us got active, we could perhaps counter the efforts of the dippy tie-dye and habit-less-nuns-with-butch-haircuts sets. I'll tell the deacon that I'd be happy to volunteer as long as the music isn't going to be stupid (a la Schutte, et al).
@MrLjgroove I am not familiar with Schutte, I hope you don't mean 'Schutz', as I like his music very much. If your fellows with the same interest can find someone to conduct, keep it all together, you should be able to find enough folks with an evening every week or two to work something up. If y'all want to give Bach a try--even though he was Lutheran--there are things for the entire church season. Times two, or three or more for some particular Sundays. If you can't Handel Bach, sorry,
@peddletoneG I was referring to Dan Schutte, who, along with other such "composers" of liturgical fluff, like Marty Haugen, have written some of the most execrable garbage (for the Mass) ever written. Don't know if I can "Handel Bach", btw. Good one! Best, MrLJG
The Catholic encyclopedia says: "On the strength of a statement of Foxe, in his so-called "Book of Martyrs", Taverner has been branded as a heretic, but it is more than probable that Foxe confounded the composer with John Taverner, a correspondent of Cromwell, or else with Richard Taverner, a Canon of Wolsey's College, Oxford, who revised Matthew's Bible. He wrote nothing for the English Service, but he has bequeathed eight masses."
John Taverner flirted with protestantism - this is the very most one can say. He was a Catholic until the day he died in 1545 - which was before the Protestant Revolution really happened. All his Sacred Music is 100% Catholic through and through.
John Taverner flirted with protestantism - this is the very most one can say. He was a Catholic until the day he died in 1545 - which was before the Protestant Revolution really happened. All his Sacred Music is 100% Catholic through and through. pjasew is totally wrong, or is deliberately lying.
The most sublime piece of propaganda ever composed, some nuances
in it actually cause me to momentarily believe in God
personatoobject 1 year ago
@personatoobject It is doubtful that this was composed as propaganda.
NihilNominis 1 year ago
@personatoobject Propaganda is banal. This, however, is inspired. Think about that for a moment. You mentioned that you "momentarily" believed in God upon hearing this. God is whispering to you through this music. Do you think -- even for a second -- that it was only music that was calling you back to God?? The longing you hear in this music is God's longing for us to return the love He has for us back to Him.
MrLjgroove 9 months ago in playlist church music
@pjasew
In that time heads of Catolic Church did a lot of wrong things.
kukulis100 1 year ago
this form of Worship moves the soul so deeply.
megaman90 1 year ago
pjasew
I have been desperately searching for this particular recording (Andrew Parrott and the Taverner Consort I believe) of the Taverner mass for years! I have the Tallis Scholars one but it's not a patch on this with the interspersed plain chant. Is there any way you could do me a copy on CD? I've contacted EMI directly but they have no plans to reissue the recording.
I would be eternally grateful!
elephant1974 1 year ago
pjasew
I have been desperately searching for this recording of the Taverner mass for years! I have the Tallis Scholars one but it's not a patch on this with the interspersed plain chant. Is there any way you could do me a copy on CD? I've contacted EMI directly but they have no plans to reissue the recording.
I would be eternally grateful!
elephant1974 1 year ago
A POWERFUL LITURGICAL OFFERING BY A DEDICATED MEMBER OF
GOD'S HOLY ORTHODOX CHURCH. MUSIC WORTHY TO BE USED IN THE
MOST BEAUTIFUL SETTINGS OF THE WORLD' S FINEST PLACES OF
CHRISTIAN WORSHIP.
JIHS1 1 year ago
say what you want about religion, but it has given us some damn fine music
oceanboy1993 1 year ago 7
@oceanboy1993 I say this about (Christian) religion: we need more of it! Screw relativism, Christianity and a Judeo-Christian ethos have civilized the world and given it a new standard of morality. If its precepts were truly adhered to, war, crime, vice, injustice, etc., would DISAPPEAR over night. People who blame religion for the actions of men just don't THINK (I'm not referring to you). Take care.
MrLjgroove 1 year ago
John Taverner flirted with protestantism - this is the very most one can say. He was a Catholic until the day he died in 1545 - which was before the Protestant Revolution really happened. All his Sacred Music is 100% Catholic through and through.
1963Benedict 1 year ago
Glorious - who is the choir?
MrAppoline 2 years ago
I wish we had this majestic music at Mass, instead of the happy clappy post Vatican II garbage we're stuck with. "Here I am Lord" -- oh man.
MrLjgroove 2 years ago 14
@MrLjgroove I cannot add anything to your oh-so-true comment. I refuse to sing drivel which means I sing very little at Mass
RichardIIfan 1 year ago
@MrLjgroove Is it possible you could begin to interest fellow congregants in a more traditional mass as an alternative? That tambourine-slappin', trap-set swattin', Roland chording and simpering voices---okay, that works for some, apparently, but there are many of us who prefer classical. Maybe form your own group that will at least sometimes offer something other than a musical head-bang. Wow, I wish one of my choirs were so good as to manage this lovely work, beautifully presented!
peddletoneG 1 year ago
@peddletoneG Not a bad idea. If more of us got active, we could perhaps counter the efforts of the dippy tie-dye and habit-less-nuns-with-butch-haircuts sets. I'll tell the deacon that I'd be happy to volunteer as long as the music isn't going to be stupid (a la Schutte, et al).
MrLjgroove 1 year ago
@MrLjgroove I am not familiar with Schutte, I hope you don't mean 'Schutz', as I like his music very much. If your fellows with the same interest can find someone to conduct, keep it all together, you should be able to find enough folks with an evening every week or two to work something up. If y'all want to give Bach a try--even though he was Lutheran--there are things for the entire church season. Times two, or three or more for some particular Sundays. If you can't Handel Bach, sorry,
peddletoneG 1 year ago
@peddletoneG I was referring to Dan Schutte, who, along with other such "composers" of liturgical fluff, like Marty Haugen, have written some of the most execrable garbage (for the Mass) ever written. Don't know if I can "Handel Bach", btw. Good one! Best, MrLJG
MrLjgroove 1 year ago
truly stunning
morphthing1 2 years ago
Breathtaking.
mattmarcucci1 2 years ago
The Catholic encyclopedia says: "On the strength of a statement of Foxe, in his so-called "Book of Martyrs", Taverner has been branded as a heretic, but it is more than probable that Foxe confounded the composer with John Taverner, a correspondent of Cromwell, or else with Richard Taverner, a Canon of Wolsey's College, Oxford, who revised Matthew's Bible. He wrote nothing for the English Service, but he has bequeathed eight masses."
11000001100000 2 years ago
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why is leaving one madness for another hard to believe?
CarricThura 2 years ago
Uh, no.
11000001100000 2 years ago
I don't think so.
pjasew 2 years ago
John Taverner flirted with protestantism - this is the very most one can say. He was a Catholic until the day he died in 1545 - which was before the Protestant Revolution really happened. All his Sacred Music is 100% Catholic through and through.
1963Benedict 1 year ago
John Taverner flirted with protestantism - this is the very most one can say. He was a Catholic until the day he died in 1545 - which was before the Protestant Revolution really happened. All his Sacred Music is 100% Catholic through and through. pjasew is totally wrong, or is deliberately lying.
1963Benedict 1 year ago
wonderful music ...thank you ..
stycca 2 years ago