The concept of a "Jazz" Horn is a fairly new, and misleading concept. Until the recently the size of Trombones was consistent regardless of material. FYI Slide Hampton plays a large bore horn (.547)and he's definately Jazz.
As for Valves vs. Slide...... the Verdi example is a good one..... no trombone can play all the literature... many Opera pieces are written for Valves if for no reason than having to play in pits. The execution of lines are much more precise on a Valve horn.
To bring the flexibility and easy of use of the piston valve system to the trombone. The push/pull slide of the trombone is an archaic design kept mostly for nostalgic reasons.
Try studying a bit of music history before making an absolutely uncalled-for moronic comment such as this. If you knew anything at all about Italian opera, you would know that this is precisely the sound - and precisely the instruments - Verdi had in mind. Look at the opening bar of "Othello" - the first trombone part is absolutely IMPOSSIBLE on a conventional slide trombone. I'd dare to say it is YOU who is the lazy female canine here.
The POINT, my friend, was that it was the instrument of choice in Italy (bands and orchestras) and that this was the sound that the major composers of 19th Century Italian opera had in mind. I'd like to draw your attention to the 1st trombone part in the opening bar of Verdi's "Othello". That passage is totally impossible to execute effectively on a slide trombone. If nothing else, this gives us some idea as to what Verdi, Puccini, et al would've heard. It's also quite popular in jazz.
Wow, you seem to know a lot about music. You are absolutly right, the valve trombone is for parts that are impossible to play with a trombone. Also, some former trumpet players that switched to trombone find it easier to play and adapt. Even some trombone players with bad slide accuracy tend to use them for better tuned notes. However, I am a trombone player, and I can play the opening bar in Othello...but it's at a tempo slower than you can begin to imagine.
There actually is no dichotomy in the trombone community between "jazz trombones" and other trombones. Any trombone can be used to play (or not play) jazz.
Actually there are models of trombones made specifically for jazz use, such as the Knig 2b liberty... of course any horn can be used, such as the small-bore Shires symphonic horn.
The music is in concert pitch.
mrbasstrombone 1 week ago
Is valve trombone music in concert pitch like regular trombones or transposed?
bamaslamma1003 2 weeks ago
I was lucky enough to come across it secondhand.......the nearest you'll find new now is the Cerveny BBb Valve Trombone CVT 571-4
mrbasstrombone 9 months ago
Where did you find a 4 valve amati? I don't see it listed on their website.
benigreen88 9 months ago
The 3rd part is being played on a 4 valve Amati valve trombone, pitched in B flat, with a Vincent Bach 5G mouthpiece.
mrbasstrombone 9 months ago
mrbasstrombone, what are you guys using for the 3rd part. Horn and mouthpiece?
benigreen88 9 months ago
sweet!
1classicliberal 11 months ago
The concept of a "Jazz" Horn is a fairly new, and misleading concept. Until the recently the size of Trombones was consistent regardless of material. FYI Slide Hampton plays a large bore horn (.547)and he's definately Jazz.
As for Valves vs. Slide...... the Verdi example is a good one..... no trombone can play all the literature... many Opera pieces are written for Valves if for no reason than having to play in pits. The execution of lines are much more precise on a Valve horn.
NeilABliss 1 year ago
Nice
TheKeeskes 1 year ago
Awesome playing but what the hell is the instrument on the right?
ccruz996 2 years ago
It's a Cimbasso.
mrbasstrombone 2 years ago
Thanks!
ccruz996 2 years ago
Bravo!
mjt960 3 years ago
Great!
I think lots of operas would be better of with valve trombones.
Actually, all Verdi operas. Bellini, Puccini.
I like to see more of that!
Lots of symphonies are written with valve trombones in mind, like Berwald's.
I would not like to hear valve trombones in Wagner though.
svenlarsson 3 years ago
wats the point of a valve trombone
jj1023665 3 years ago
To bring the flexibility and easy of use of the piston valve system to the trombone. The push/pull slide of the trombone is an archaic design kept mostly for nostalgic reasons.
malawolf85 3 years ago
This has been flagged as spam show
valve trombones are for fucking lazy bitches that are too lazy to fucking use a slide
Thecheesemistro 3 years ago
Try studying a bit of music history before making an absolutely uncalled-for moronic comment such as this. If you knew anything at all about Italian opera, you would know that this is precisely the sound - and precisely the instruments - Verdi had in mind. Look at the opening bar of "Othello" - the first trombone part is absolutely IMPOSSIBLE on a conventional slide trombone. I'd dare to say it is YOU who is the lazy female canine here.
Dogsledfan 3 years ago
The POINT, my friend, was that it was the instrument of choice in Italy (bands and orchestras) and that this was the sound that the major composers of 19th Century Italian opera had in mind. I'd like to draw your attention to the 1st trombone part in the opening bar of Verdi's "Othello". That passage is totally impossible to execute effectively on a slide trombone. If nothing else, this gives us some idea as to what Verdi, Puccini, et al would've heard. It's also quite popular in jazz.
Dogsledfan 3 years ago
Wow, you seem to know a lot about music. You are absolutly right, the valve trombone is for parts that are impossible to play with a trombone. Also, some former trumpet players that switched to trombone find it easier to play and adapt. Even some trombone players with bad slide accuracy tend to use them for better tuned notes. However, I am a trombone player, and I can play the opening bar in Othello...but it's at a tempo slower than you can begin to imagine.
MegaNerd1845 3 years ago
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Dogsledfan 3 years ago
thak you i have one more question what is the diffrence between the jazz trombone and the standard trombone
jj1023665 3 years ago
jazz trombone have smaller bells and a somewhat smaller bore size.
BlackvvvFist 3 years ago
There actually is no dichotomy in the trombone community between "jazz trombones" and other trombones. Any trombone can be used to play (or not play) jazz.
McDutchy 2 years ago 2
Actually there are models of trombones made specifically for jazz use, such as the Knig 2b liberty... of course any horn can be used, such as the small-bore Shires symphonic horn.
BlackvvvFist 2 years ago